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What does the Bible say about Immigration? Ep 2815 · Challenges of Faith Radio Program

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Challenges of Faith Radio program I'm Gary McCann.
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  Speaker 1: but thank you. Over eleven thousand of you stopped buying
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  Speaker 1: one of the challenges the Faith Radio Programs Platform, and
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  Speaker 1: thank you. What does the Bible say about immigration and
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  Speaker 1: illegal immigration? On episode two thousand, eight hundred and fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: before we begin one to share a story? You don't mind?
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  Speaker 1: Do you?
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  Speaker 2: You? Sure? You sure? Once a woman woke.
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  Speaker 1: Up in the morning only to realize that she had
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  Speaker 1: only three strands of hair left on her head. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she said, I think I'll break my hair today. She
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  Speaker 1: braided her hair, and she had a wonderful day. And
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  Speaker 1: when she got up the next day and looked in
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  Speaker 1: the mirror, she noticed that she had just two strands
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  Speaker 1: of hair on her head. She said, I think I'll
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  Speaker 1: part my hair down In the middle of today, she
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  Speaker 1: parted her hair in the middle, and she had a
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  Speaker 1: great day. The next day, she woke up, looked in
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  Speaker 1: the mirror, and she said she only had one hair
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  Speaker 1: on her head. Well, she said, today, I'm gonna wear
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  Speaker 1: my hair in a ponytail. So she did and she
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  Speaker 1: had a fun day. The next day she woke up
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  Speaker 1: and noticed that there wasn't a single hair on her
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  Speaker 1: head if she explained, I don't have to fix my
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  Speaker 1: hair today. Added to is everything be kind and remember
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  Speaker 1: every person you come in contact with his meeting is
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  Speaker 1: fighting some kind of battle. Remember that. So does the
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  Speaker 1: Bible speak the immigration before we begin a new rasmen.
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  Speaker 1: Some report surveys find that fifty seven percent of likely
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  Speaker 1: voters say they approve of federal immigration raids and aimed
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  Speaker 1: at apprehending and deporting illegal immigrants, including thirty eight percent
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  Speaker 1: who say they strongly approved. Meanwhile, thirty nine percent say
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  Speaker 1: they disapproved, with twenty four percent say they strongly disapproved.
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  Speaker 1: The Trump administration officials have ordered investigations of cities with
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  Speaker 1: so called sanctuary laws to protect ill legal immigrants. Nearly
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  Speaker 1: half forty eight percent of voters say they believe officials
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  Speaker 1: and sanctuary cities should be prosecuted if they interfered with
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  Speaker 1: the enforcement of federal immigration law, while thirty eight percent
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  Speaker 1: say they disagree, in fourteen percent say they're not sure.
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  Speaker 1: Opinions are sharply divided along party lines. Among Republicans, eighty
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  Speaker 1: one percent say they approve of the raids, compared to
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  Speaker 1: thirty six percent of Democrats and forty five percent of independents.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, forty seven percent of Democrats say
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  Speaker 1: they strongly disapproved, while only six percent of Republicans and
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  Speaker 1: sixteen percent of independence say they feel the same. The
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  Speaker 1: survey also finds that seventy one percent of Republicans, twenty
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  Speaker 1: percent of Democrats, and forty six percent of independence say
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  Speaker 1: they support prosecuting local officials in sanctuary cities if they
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  Speaker 1: interfere with federal immigration enforcement. So, listener, what say you,
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  Speaker 1: how about in your own country, in yours, in yours,
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  Speaker 1: in yours, but how about hearing you know United States?
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  Speaker 1: You know, a lot of questions are being asked as
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  Speaker 1: relates to the normal citizen, legal citizen in the United States,
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  Speaker 1: that if one brote local, state, federal laws and they're
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  Speaker 1: held accountable by way of prosecution or whatever the case
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  Speaker 1: may be. Then there's something wrong with this picture. President
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  Speaker 1: Trump's anti Semitism Order puts foreign students and US colleges
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  Speaker 1: on notice. President Trump signing an executive order making it
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  Speaker 1: the policy of the United States the combat anti Semitism
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  Speaker 1: vigorously using all available and appropriate legal tools to prosecute, remove,
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  Speaker 1: or otherwise hold to account the perpetrators of unlawful anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitic harassment and violence. The order builds on a prior
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  Speaker 1: executive order the President signed in December twenty nineteen during
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  Speaker 1: his first term to ensure American Jews would be fully
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  Speaker 1: protected under our civil rights laws like all other religious
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  Speaker 1: and ethnic groups. Do you notice the common theme surrounds laws.
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  Speaker 2: Laws?
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  Speaker 1: Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson, amid low approval ratings from the
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  Speaker 1: people that put him in office, address the sanctuary city issues.
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  Speaker 1: Mayor Johnson's fourteen percentpproval rating is lower than the lords
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  Speaker 1: approval rating recorded by his recent predecessors.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that.
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  Speaker 1: If you've been paying attention into Chicago and New York
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  Speaker 1: and elsewhere, it's around immigration. The people in Chicago that
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  Speaker 1: put the marry in made it plainly clear to him
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  Speaker 1: that he is not looking out for the people. So
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about immigration from a Biblical perspective. You don't mind,
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  Speaker 1: do you? Doctor Brian Mozelle, he received as PhD and
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  Speaker 1: Hebrew Bible from the University of Pretoria THHM and Hebrew
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  Speaker 1: Bible in Semitics from BIB to the university. And if
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  Speaker 1: iking team, does anyone know how Old University started? Does
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  Speaker 1: anybody know how the major colleges in the United States
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  Speaker 1: who started them? You'll be interested and surprised to learn
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  Speaker 1: who the individuals were and what their backgrounds were.
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  Speaker 2: That started.
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  Speaker 1: The colleges that's listed as prestigious in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: But doctor Brian Mozille is the senior pastor of University
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  Speaker 1: Bible Church in Los Angeles, California, a military chaplain and
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  Speaker 1: previously worked in international disaster relief throughout Africa. And he
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  Speaker 1: lays down an interesting article in the All Israel News
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  Speaker 1: and the discourse around an immigration differing opinions. Often he merge,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes lacking a foundation in Biblical teachings. The following or
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  Speaker 1: four fundamental Biblical principles pretending to immigration, adherence to legal statues,
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  Speaker 1: the immorality of unlawful entry, the precedent set by the
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  Speaker 1: family of Jesus and the imperative to extend love to
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  Speaker 1: all individuals. First, the Israelite community emphasized the importance of
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  Speaker 1: obeying the laws of the land in both the Hebrew
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  Speaker 1: Scriptures and in the writings of the Jewish New Testament authors.
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  Speaker 1: In Romans thirteen and one Peter Chapter two, verse thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: believers are instructed to submit to governing authorities as a
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  Speaker 1: way of honoring God's order. These passages emphasize that civil
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  Speaker 1: disobedience lawful authority is rebelling against God's institution. This principle
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  Speaker 1: emphasizes that individuals must adhere to the legal frameworks of
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  Speaker 1: the nations they reside in or visit. Now, are you
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  Speaker 1: paying attention with doctor Moselle's saying, are you sure?
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  Speaker 2: You're sure? Okay? It's kind of like when you correlated to.
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  Speaker 1: Wherever you live at whatever country here in the United States, wherever, township, county, city, state,
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  Speaker 1: you're governed by somebody's laws, and when you violate those laws,
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  Speaker 1: what happens. The only exception to this mandate occurs when
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  Speaker 1: laws conflict with God's command to protec human life or murder,
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  Speaker 1: as illustrated in Exodus chapter one, verse nineteen and Joshua
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  Speaker 1: chapter two. And in these examples we have in scripture
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  Speaker 1: breaking the law of the land as only ethically justified
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  Speaker 1: under circumstances where human laws in the media, danger was
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  Speaker 1: about to perish. Certainly, some who enter another country's borders illegally,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me, notice the key code words the ode illegally
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  Speaker 1: are fleeing from religious persecution or from an imminent threat
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  Speaker 1: to their lives. However, this does not justify the intention
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  Speaker 1: of the intention of the intention of avoidance of legal
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  Speaker 1: ports of entry. As a rule, the Bible advocates for
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  Speaker 1: lawful living as a witness to both God and the world. Now,
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  Speaker 1: don't you think about that again, whether you are a believer,
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  Speaker 1: follow Jesus Christ or non, what's your motive? Well, if
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  Speaker 1: you are intentionally knows the key code word intentionally, willfully
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  Speaker 1: with knowledge, avoiding the right way, the legal way, it
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  Speaker 1: speaks to itself, of course, not unless you can explain, okay.
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  Speaker 1: The only other example is when authorities outlawed biblical prayer,
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  Speaker 1: as illustrated in Daniel chapter six and this passage the
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  Speaker 1: King's decreased for bid praying to anyone except the King
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  Speaker 1: for thirty days. Do you notice that here's a little man,
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  Speaker 1: little woman, little woman, little man, wanting somebody to worship them,
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  Speaker 1: and they create a law that's contrary to what God says.
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  Speaker 1: And again it goes back to your belief system. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the question is.
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  Speaker 2: You've heard it say it that if you are a.
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  Speaker 1: If you were arrested in charge for being a follower
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  Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ, and still before your peers, your fellow citizens,
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  Speaker 1: and a judge with the prosecutor have enough evidence to
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  Speaker 1: convict you of that crime of being a follower of
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Well, despite this, Daniel continues to pray to God,
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  Speaker 1: showing his ultimate allegiance to his God over the King's law.
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  Speaker 1: While Daniel disobeys the law, it is not out of rebellion,
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  Speaker 1: remember motive, but out of a higher commitment to God's law.
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  Speaker 1: While Daniel's disobedience here is an act of civil disobedience
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  Speaker 1: in the face of an unjust law law, the general
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  Speaker 1: teaching in the Bible holds that breaking the law is
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  Speaker 1: only permissible when the conflicts with God's higher moral law.
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  Speaker 1: In the examples provided, and you need to think about that.
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  Speaker 1: That's really why you heard me start off with. In
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  Speaker 1: your country, Your country, your country and mind.
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  Speaker 2: Second, the active.
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  Speaker 1: Entering the country illegally illegally is viewed as a violation
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  Speaker 1: of divine instruction the New Testament as search that such
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  Speaker 1: actings are unethical as the established laws of the land.
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  Speaker 1: In Tightus chapter three, verse one through two, Paul instructs
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  Speaker 1: Titus to remind the believers to be law abiding, peaceful,
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  Speaker 1: and humble, reflecting the importance of maintaining respect for civil
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  Speaker 1: authorities and societal ruse. Now I think about that, apply
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  Speaker 1: it where whever you happen to be. You see individuals
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  Speaker 1: out there, I respective of their titles, but people that
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  Speaker 1: you and you and you and you may.
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  Speaker 2: Look up to.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't done your proper research, but you look up
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  Speaker 1: to him for whatever the reason.
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  Speaker 2: And they're encouraging you to violate the laws.
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  Speaker 1: So that you are faced with the consequences while they
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  Speaker 1: are not. The Apostle Paul modeled this himself when he
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  Speaker 1: made an appeal to Caesar over in Acts chapter twenty five,
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  Speaker 1: verse eight through twelve, after being unjustly arrested. When Paul
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  Speaker 1: is accused of breaking the law and faces trial, he
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  Speaker 1: appeals to Caesar, indicating his respect for the legal process
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  Speaker 1: and his willingness to use legal channels to seek justice.
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  Speaker 1: This shows that even when unjustly accused, Paul submits to
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  Speaker 1: the legal cysm, but also it searts us right to
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  Speaker 1: legal protection. This principle serves as a reminder that legality
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  Speaker 1: and morality are intertwined and that individuals to seek to
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  Speaker 1: adhere to the laws governing immigration. Are you paying attention?
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  Speaker 2: You sure? Third?
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  Speaker 1: The example of Jesus' family further illustrates the importance of
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  Speaker 1: legal immigration. A recent commercial by that He Gets Us
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  Speaker 1: campaign and accurately suggests Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were akin
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  Speaker 1: to immigrants illegally fleeing to Egypt. However, this interpretation misrepresents,
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  Speaker 1: misrepresents the historical contexts Now, what you think about as
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  Speaker 1: we continue to go on, as I take a sip
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  Speaker 1: of my water. You heard me on the segment delient
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  Speaker 1: Religious and Christian. Now use the example that you know
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  Speaker 1: you're whether behind the poor fit or whatever position you
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  Speaker 1: happen to have and hold, and you're sharing with the
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  Speaker 1: people information that is, especially when you're talking about it
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  Speaker 1: from a scripture standpoint, is inaccurate misrepresentation of what is
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  Speaker 1: actually saying. So unless that person doesn't independent research to
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  Speaker 1: find out factly they may have in going somewhere today,
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be gone, didn't have to go. But again it
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  Speaker 1: comes back to who you're listening to and their motives
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  Speaker 1: and their motives at the time each it was part
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  Speaker 1: of the Roman Empire, and the family's journey did not
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  Speaker 1: involve breaking any laws. Instead, they moved under confines of
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  Speaker 1: the empire, a highlighting that their actions were lawful and justified.
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  Speaker 1: And this would be like moving from San Francisco to
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  Speaker 1: San Diego. And this distinction is crucial and understanding whether
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  Speaker 1: Jesus family entered the country unlawfully while fleeing to Egypt. Finally,
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  Speaker 1: the Bible cause of love and respect for all individuals,
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  Speaker 1: regardless of their legal status, while in the central to
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  Speaker 1: treat everyone with dignity and compassion. This does not equate
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  Speaker 1: to endorse an illegal immigration or illegal activity of any
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  Speaker 1: kind involved in the process. Did you notice the key
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  Speaker 1: code words again, illegal immigration or illegal activity. The Biblical
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  Speaker 1: narrative supports the ideas of legal immigration, where immigrants are
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  Speaker 1: welcome but are also expected to adhere to the laws
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  Speaker 1: of the land. Now, won't you think about that? Only
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  Speaker 1: if you want to, you have a home, condo, apartment,
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be.
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  Speaker 2: You set up rules, But all.
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  Speaker 1: Of a sudden, now you have individuals, irrespective of who
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  Speaker 1: they are, in the skin tone of where it came from,
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  Speaker 1: come to your house of love, love with common sense,
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  Speaker 1: love with compassion, but love with tough love and firmness.
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  Speaker 1: And they come to your door the way they want
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  Speaker 1: to come, persons, the way you've established for them to come.
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  Speaker 1: The Israelite nation historically welcome immigrants provided they followed the
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  Speaker 1: legal requirements, underwent circumcision, and became part of the covenant community.
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  Speaker 1: Like Open Genis chapter seventeen, verse nine through fourteen, Chapter
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  Speaker 1: thirty four, Verses fifteen through twenty four. Exodus Chapter twelve,
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  Speaker 1: verse forty eight, resident aliens were to be protected and
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  Speaker 1: those who exploited them face prophetic judgment. Jeremiah chapter twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: verse three. So you heard me talk about what's the motive?
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  Speaker 1: Because you got to remember a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: talking about they're doing it for this reason, this reason,
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  Speaker 1: this reason didn't you later learn if you do you
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  Speaker 1: independent research, the motive may not be about love and compassion.
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  Speaker 1: It may be about.
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  Speaker 2: Mool of money. The love of money.
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  Speaker 1: The Biblical perspective on immigration emphasizes that balance between legal
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  Speaker 1: obedience and personal compassion.
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  Speaker 2: It advocates for adherence to the laws of.
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  Speaker 1: The land, viewing illegal entry as a violation of divine instruction.
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  Speaker 1: The example of Jesus' family illustrates lawful movement within a
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  Speaker 1: governing territory, reinforcing the importance of legal immigration, even though
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  Speaker 1: their circumstance warned it the exception. Additionally, while the Bible
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  Speaker 1: calls for love and respect for all individuals, it maintains
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  Speaker 1: that this compassion should not undermine the necessity of following
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  Speaker 1: legal protocols. Think about that, I ain't have all the
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  Speaker 1: emotional feelings, feelings, feelings which goes up today goes down tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: All I want to have nothing to do with the
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  Speaker 1: facts or the laws. Ultimately, the Biblical teaching suggests that
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  Speaker 1: immigrants should be welcome and treated with ignity, provided they
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  Speaker 1: comply with the established laws of their host country. Says
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  Speaker 1: Brian Mosell. So as we continue, what does your country's
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  Speaker 1: constitutions say, if we're talking about immigration, What does it
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  Speaker 1: say which govern you and you and you and those
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  Speaker 1: of you in the United States? If you have not
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  Speaker 1: taken the time to do your own independent research. What
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  Speaker 1: does the US constitutions say. Let's continue about and with
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  Speaker 1: the Bible. Christians are called to be compassionate and merciful
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  Speaker 1: toward immigrants, and you can find that in Exodus chapter
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, verse twenty one, Leviticus chapter nineteen, verse thirty
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  Speaker 1: three through thirty four, Matthew chapter twenty five, verse thirty five.
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  Speaker 1: And the United States should have a compassionate and merciful
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  Speaker 1: immigration policy. However, that's not the question at hand. The
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  Speaker 1: question at hand concerns ill legal immigration, whether it is
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  Speaker 1: wrong to violate the nation's borders and transgress its immigration laws.
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  Speaker 1: Romans chapter verses one through seven makes it abundantly clear
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  Speaker 1: the God expects us to obey the laws of the government.
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  Speaker 1: The only exception to this is when the law of
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  Speaker 1: the government forces us to disobey a command of God,
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  Speaker 1: like over the Acts chapter five, verse twenty nine. Illegal
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  Speaker 1: immigration is the breaking of a government's laws, and there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing in Scripted that contradicts the idea of a sovereign
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  Speaker 1: nation having immigration laws. Therefore, it is rebelling against God
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  Speaker 1: to unlawfully enter another country. Illegal ill legal immigration is
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  Speaker 1: a sin. Illegal immigration is a controversial issue in the
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  Speaker 1: United States and some other countries. Some argue that the
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  Speaker 1: immigration laws are unfair, unjust, and even discrimina toy, thus
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  Speaker 1: giving individuals justification justification to immigrate ill legally. However, Romans
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  Speaker 1: Chapter thirteen, Verse one through seven does not give any
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  Speaker 1: permission to violate a law just because it is perceived
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  Speaker 1: as unjust. Again, the issue is not the fairness of
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  Speaker 1: the law. The only Biblical reason to violate a government's
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  Speaker 1: law is if that law violates God's word. When Paul
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  Speaker 1: wrote the Book of Romans, he was under the authority
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  Speaker 1: of the Roman Empire led by Emperor Nero, and under
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  Speaker 1: that reign, excuse me, there were many laws that were unfair,
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  Speaker 1: unjust in or blatantly evil. Still, Paul instructed Christians to
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  Speaker 1: submit to the government as I take a sip from
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  Speaker 1: my water. So the question is, are the immigrations and
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  Speaker 1: laws of your country your country, your country, but of
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  Speaker 1: the United States unfair or unjust? Some think so, but
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  Speaker 1: that's not the issue. All developed countries in the world
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  Speaker 1: have immigration laws, some more strictly the United States and
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  Speaker 1: some less strict, and all have to deal with illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing in the Bible to prohibit the country from
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  Speaker 1: having completely open borders or to have completely closed borders.
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  Speaker 1: Romans chapter thirteen, verse one through seven also gives the
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  Speaker 1: government the authority to punish lawbreakers, and whether the punishment
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  Speaker 1: is imprisonment, deportationed on even something more severe, it is
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  Speaker 1: within the rights of the government to determine, because you
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  Speaker 1: got to remember, the government is supposed to be looking
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  Speaker 1: out for the people.
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  Speaker 2: For the people.
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  Speaker 1: Remember you heard me reference earlier the mayor of in
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  Speaker 1: Chicago and New York and elsewhere, whether there're citizens who
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  Speaker 1: voted to put them in office or whole them accountable.
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  Speaker 1: And you notice the issue what the issues surrounding illegal
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  Speaker 1: immigration is a complex issue. The vast majority of illegal
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  Speaker 1: immigrants in the United States have come for the purpose
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  Speaker 1: of having a better life, providing for their families, and
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  Speaker 1: escaping poverty, and those are good goals and motivations. However,
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  Speaker 1: it is not biblical to violate the law to achieve
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  Speaker 1: a good. Caring for the poor, orphans and widows is
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  Speaker 1: something the Bible commands us to do in Relations chapter two,
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  Speaker 1: verse ten and James Chapter one, verse twenty seven, Chapter two,
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  Speaker 1: verse two through fifteen However, the biblical fact act fact
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  Speaker 1: that we are to care for the unfortunate does not
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  Speaker 1: mean we should violate the law, and doing so. Supporting, enabling,
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  Speaker 1: and or encouraging illegal immigration is therefore a violation of
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  Speaker 1: God's words, and those seeking to immigrate to another country
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  Speaker 1: should always obey the immigration laws of that country, and
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  Speaker 1: while this may cause delays and frustrations, it's better than
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  Speaker 1: acting ill legally. A frustrating law is still a law.
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  Speaker 1: So the question is, what's the biblical solution to illegal immigration.
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  Speaker 1: I know you have the answer. Go ahead, I'm listening. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: here's another solution. Don't do it. Obey the laws. If
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  Speaker 1: disobedience is not a biblical option, then what could be
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  Speaker 1: done in regards to an unjust immigration law. It's completely
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  Speaker 1: within the rights of citizens to seek to change immigration law.
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  Speaker 1: And if it's your conviction and the immigration laws unjust,
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  Speaker 1: do everything that is legally legally within your power to
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  Speaker 1: get the law changed. Pray, petition, vote, peacefully, protests, etc.
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  Speaker 1: As followers of Christ, we should be the first to
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  Speaker 1: seek to change any law that is unjust. At the
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  Speaker 1: same time, we're also to demonstrate our submission to God
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  Speaker 1: by obeying the government that he is placed an authority over.
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  Speaker 1: You heard me start off earlier from the survey as
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  Speaker 1: relates to the people from a voting standpoint. Be subject,
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  Speaker 1: for the Lord's sake, to every human institution, whether it
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  Speaker 1: be to the Emperor as supreme or to the governors
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  Speaker 1: as sent by him, to punish those who do evil,
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  Speaker 1: and to praise those who do good. For this is
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  Speaker 1: the will of God, that by doing good you should
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  Speaker 1: put the silence the ignorance of foolish people. Live as
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  Speaker 1: people who are free, not using your freedom as to
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  Speaker 1: cover up for evil, for living as servants of God.
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  Speaker 1: And you can find it in the first Peter, chapter two,
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  Speaker 1: verse thirteen through sixteen, and then finally Matthew eleven, verse
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight. Come to me, all you who are weary
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  Speaker 1: and burden, and I'll give you rest, say our Savior,
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  Speaker 1: the Lord Jesus Christ.