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Speaking With Emperor of Misogyny Paul Elam | Fireside Chat 228 · Honey Badger Radio

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Hello, everybody walking on Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian and this
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is the Fireside Chat and I'm joined by our very special guest and friend of
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the channel, Paul Elam. Welcome to the show. Paul. It's good
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to have you back. I think the last time. Yeah, yeah,
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yeah, it's great to have you. I think the last time you were
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on this show you were still living in Texas. So it's been like seven
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to eight years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know I've been
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meaning to go back. Yeah, And so since then you've moved to Virginia,
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which is where I ended up going also because I got it on good
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advice that if I was looking to leave Chicago, of Virginia will be the
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next best place. So what do you think about Virginia so far? I
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love it. We've never looked back. I mean, needless to say coming
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from Houston, I don't miss the weather. I don't miss six million people
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in the general vicinity. I don't miss the traffic. I don't miss a
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lot of things. It's beautiful here. We've never looked back. We love
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it. Wow, I didn't have six million people in Houston the metropolitan area.
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Yeah, over we would a joke about it. The metropolitan area here
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is three hundred thousand people. The metropolitan in Houston is six million, three
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hundred thousand, so we just put off the six million. Yeah, that's
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funny because I thought Chicago is a population about three million, so I would
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have thought and you know, from when I was from what I understood,
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I thought Chicago was like one of the biggest. But it's half the size
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of h Well if it's actually if I think, if you count the entire
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Chicago metropolitan area, you're gonna come out with it. Because when I say
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six point three million, yeah, I'm talking about the Houston metro area.
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Yeah, yeah, right right, the city part of the city, not
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what people say is the city, Yeah, and all the suburbs and yeah
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at it all together. Yeah yeah, yeah, well yeah, I like
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it a lot too. I like the nature. There's like there's not a
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lot in Chicago, although they do try. It's I've also been in New
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York where there's like none, so you know, that's way worse. But
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but yeah, I like that. I don't know, like it's it's it
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is nice. So if if there's anybody looking to relocate and uh, you
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know, you you want to go somewhere where you have some friends. I
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would I would consider Rono because there's at least two people that you probably would
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get along with. So absolutely through the wind. No more Jojo, go
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back to your bed, go later. Okay. So we got this news
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about well you are You're every time you make a new group, it makes
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the hate list. So this we covered it on the show last week that
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X Y Crew is now on the SPLC's hate watch list. And you're the
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only supremacist group I think in the country. Yeah, in the world,
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in the world, that's right. Yeah, And and it's all all of
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this evil where where the Legion of Doom rest is in Roanoke, Virginia,
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which is a small town southwest part of the state. So I don't know,
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like the SBLC knows. I belonged to a church also, and I'm
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wondering if my church just a group. Oh I just do they know?
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What church? Do you belong to? Well? I'm almost hesitant to stay
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right now? Oh yeah, you know what, that's fair? That's fair?
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Is it? Is it a Protestant or Catholic or can you at least
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church it's a it's a Protestant, church in a secret location. Yeah,
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undisclosed location. Uh. So, you know, it's funny that you say
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that. My wife and I started going to church too. And you know,
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before that I was, I was agnostic. I didn't really think about
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it too much. It was kind of forced on me when I was young,
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so I was turned off by it. But then after I went through
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all the stuff that I've been through, you know, cancer and all these
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other things in and out of the hospital, you know, my wife was
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she was like just basically said, we have to we have to find something,
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some community that was kind of like where the primary thing was, right.
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We don't know anyone here and all that. So we started attending.
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And I'm not I'm not telling I'm not evangelizing to anybody. I'm just saying,
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this is what worked for us. And so you know, that's that's
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that. So I was, you know, I had debated asking you about
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it because I hadn't. I guess like, I didn't really know if you
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were sort of that way, or if that changed or what have you.
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And if that's too personal, we don't have to get into it. But
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oh no, I mean I'm totally fine with that. I think my story
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is similar to yours, bro, Yeah, actually quite similar. I have
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a similar background and I needed something. I needed something additional in my life.
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And so without proselytizing, which I'm not going to do, or evangelizing
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to anybody, I've got no interest in that, I will tell you that
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I in studying religions and looking around the world and looking what works in people's
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lives and what doesn't, I've found that the idea of having Jesus Christ as
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a role model in life was really sound if you look, if you ignore
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religious people and their ideas around religion and sort of sort it all out and
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just look, how did Christ live, what did he say, what did
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he do? And look? And this is even if some people will say,
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wait a minute, we have got no proof Jesus exists, I'm including
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those people in this conversation too, because even if he didn't exist, the
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story of Christ is a great, great instructive event on how to live if
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you want to live by principles and if you want to connected to something greater
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than your soul. And that works for me. So I do it without
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apology. Yeah, but I am a happy Christian. Yeah all right,
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all right, Well that's cool. I'm not an expect expected conversation, but
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one that I'm I'm pleased to know about. So so that met means you're
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just doubly hateful, right because like the SBLC has decided it and you know,
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have you heard about So I've been getting into this thing lately. I've
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been looking at I've been reading some books. I'm in the middlest of reading
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a book by a man named Father Saraphim Rose, who was an Orthodox Christian
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church father who wrote about like sort of social issues. And he had this
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book that I think he was working on in the seventies and eighties, so
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it's old and it's called Nihilism, and in it he basically just talks about
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the sort of mindsets you know, that lead to nihilism and how it all,
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it all kind of stems from an avoidance of what he calls ultimate truth.
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Now I know that, you know, as a church father, for
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him, that ultimate truth is Christianity. But the other stuff, you know,
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you can throw that off you want to. But all the other stuff
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that he talks about is very, very poignant because what I'm seeing, you
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know, I was talking about this with on the show A couple of times.
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And one of the things that I've I've noticed that there are women in
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the manisphere space, or at least like sort of tangentially in the space Laurence
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Southern and Shuan Head or June I remember her last name, and they were
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sort of in their own way commenting on this this what's happening with men,
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that there's all of this despair and depression and suicide and joblessness and and of
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course, you know, troubles with women because like you know, not just
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what feminism did, but more like what feminism did to bring out the worst
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parts of women's character. If that's like a better way to put it.
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You think that's fairy, I think it's fair. Yeah. Well, it's
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easy though to make a boogeyman of feminism. Feminism presents itself as a boogeyman,
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the irrational ideas, lies, falsehoods, imaginary narratives, that sort of
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thing. But our troubles with women are mostly rooted in how men shape women
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to be. Yeah, not in feminism. Feminism could go away today,
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and I think men would be nearly in as much trouble, yeah, as
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they are, simply because we train women to have entitlement issues that men try
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to satisfy. That's our relationship in a nutshell. On the overview of it,
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that men end up depressed, is not surprised. Yeah, yeah,
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and well. And I think another thing too is that our I think our
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society essentially tells men they put them in what I call a black category.
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Now I didn't make this up, but this is something that Mao Zedong created
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when he was starting his cultural revolution. He had a list of things called
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black categories, and these were essentially peoples or groups that were opposed to the
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revolution, opposed to the state. And I think that in the United States
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and in the West in general, in the UK and Canada wherever, they've
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been building these black categories over not just several years or decades, but generations,
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and men were one of the first groups to be put into one of
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these categories. So this is why, for example, when there's a discussion
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around abortion, men are not allowed to have an opinion, right, no
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uterus, no opinion. That's putting men in that category. If there's a
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discussion around what children are learning in schools, you know, like people worried
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about what their children are learning a ski schools, most of the people who
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are there are single mothers, and there are mothers that are there defending their
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kids. But one of the reasons why mothers are heard is because they're not
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men. They're not in the black category. Right. It also applies to
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people who are conservative, Christian, straight, you know, and cisgendered and
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all that. So these are all black, I help, yeah, everything
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that you are so and that means that even if you just have an opinion,
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which you know, I guess you could say is at the root of
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your whole project, because you've been placed in a black category, it's easy
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for the SPLC or the ADL or Citizens United or the United Nations or any
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of these other massive, very powerful, you know institutions to just say,
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oh, no, he's one of the bad guys. Right. Yeah.
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So as a result of that then, and this has been going on for
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so long, I think what's happened with men is is that and this is
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also true of women. They don't have a purpose, They lack a higher
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calling. And so what are what is men's calling in the meantime, Well,
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it's to attract women. And that's why you because they don't have anything
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beyond that, right, It's just get laid, you know, get make
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the money, get the girl, et cetera. And so yeah, and
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all they're doing is looking for the approval, right, and so like I
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think as a consequence of that, this is why we have these like I
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guess they call them manisphere guys or they're in the space the red Pill Manisphere
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space, but they're really just like you know, these sort of dating podcasts
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and like these like Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tad and what's another one,
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the whatever podcast. What do you think about the growth in those in those
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groups. I think it was inevitable, but I think this has also been
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doubling down on being very vagina centric. Is people like tight it's all about
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getting light, it goes, it goes is you know, I equate Tate
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and I have nothing personal against the guy at all. I don't question how
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he makes his money, but I do comment on it. Yeah, what
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I'm reminded of with people like Andrew Tate is you remember when you were a
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kid and the comic books, and there was always like the ad on the
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back of it of the guy getting saying, oh yeah, yeah, the
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Atlas, the Atlas stin in two dollars and they would instruct you and how
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beat how to beat the guy that's kicking he's saying people's face. Yeah,
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you know that's Andrew Tate stick. That's what he does. And that's what
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a lot of these guys do. I see it very prominently in the Black
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manisphere, and I actually grieve for that cultures of matriarchy to begin with,
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it's very very matriarchal, and what I see and people I really respect,
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like Mia i'm City and Ali and others Kevin Samuels the same way. It's
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all about improving yourself in the eyes of women. And I think it's a
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dead id. I agree, and you know I have also because the thing
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is, I'm with you on the tape thing, like, I don't have
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anything personal against the guy. I understand why a lot of men are drawn
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to that because again that's what they know. Like most of them are raised
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by single mothers. They've been centered around pleasing women from from birth, and
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so there's a guy that's like, I can show you how to do it,
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like you know better than anyone else, and so yeah, I think
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that's a that's a problem. But again I do believe though that he gets
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treated really unfairly by the media and like the and like the establishment and to
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me, because if I have to arrange things, you know, like in
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a what is the higher priority. I always put the media at the establishment,
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and the academics and the intellectuals and the feminist first. The politicians,
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those are the people that I that are my primary opponent, and guys like
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Tate I don't worry about. I mean, if I think he's being trying
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to treat it unfairly, I'll defend him in you know, in that case.
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But if he does something on lawful and something happens to him, oh
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well right, yeah, yeah, that's that's sort of my take on that.
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And who knows if he actually did anything like lawful. I mean,
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we never know what the truth is about anything anymore. Yeah, but you
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know, he doesn't present I think is the most appealing guy to a lot
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of people. But he's enormously popular. I'm just with you on that.
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I'm like not interested in any ways. It just doesn't matter, right,
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I don't. I don't think Andrew tit is different from the guy on the
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back of the comic book forty years ago. Nothing new. He's just bigger
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and more visible. That's all. Yeah, Yeah, And of course there
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is also I have a theory that not that Tate's not a real person,
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but I think he's him fresh and fit and like the whatever podcast, some
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of these really prominent ones, I feel like they're astroturfed into like prominence,
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because then people like you or me or Karen, like we get ignored.
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Right, Janice vmnoes doing amazing work. Nobody knows who she is, so
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you know, you feel like, oh, I see they put out these
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guys that are easy, they like straw men in the flesh they can tear
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down, right, Does that make sense? Well? And I think also
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part of it is, I mean, there's a reason that somebody like Pearly
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Things has one point six one point seven million subscribers after a short period of
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time on YouTube, and I've been there for fifteen years and I've got like
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one hundred and twelve thousand. I think those of us that are actually telling
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the truth and yeah, who happened to have penises? Yeah, are the
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last people anybody wants to listen to what. People don't want to hear the
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truth. It's so uncomfortable person in society doesn't want to hear it. And
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if they are wanting to hear it, if they're open to hearing it,
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they'd much rather hear it from a set of tits. Yeah, yeah,
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that's true. I mean, I think, you know, Pearl's an interesting
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case because I'm hoping to have her on. I saw that you you were
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on her show once, and I got Mike Buchanan to like put me in
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touch with her. She's currently in Las Vegas, so I won't hear from
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so she gets back. But she is an interesting case because there's another woman
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competing for attention with her. You might know Roma Army or Chloe Roma.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and Chloe Roma. I think she's also really
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big. She's getting up close to the same number of subs as Pearl.
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But I think that I look at why these people are big, right,
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because Cloie Roma is not saying anything that we haven't been saying for at least
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ten years. But I think that she also incorporates feminist belief into it.
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So she's trying to make both of these things work at the same time and
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doesn't realize that they're basically mutually exclusive. I mean, in my opinion,
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I don't think they work, but because I think because she speaks on these
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issues in this way, then that you know, the big tech companies are
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willing to let her content like slip by. That's what I believe anyway.
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I think that you're right. I think that if you if you're gonna tell
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the hard truths, which is gonna come around at some point, no matter
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what, it's gonna make you unpopular. Yeah. There's another element to this
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too, Brian, that I think it's true when I think of people like
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Karen and Janis and you would be a handful of others that have been at
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this for so long. Is that I see us as we're kind of like
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the Winston Churchills of the Men's movement. We were needed, and we started
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a lot of things rolling. But as soon as our purpose initially had served
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to put this out there and to create people like Andrew and others which I've
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sorted as our children, you know, they threw Churchill into the bus as
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soon as his usefulness was done to them politically. And I think that's kind
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of what happens to us. And guess what, I'm okay with it.
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I mean, I live a quiet life. I kind of love to live
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in a quiet life. I'm not that interested in being out in the trenches
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anymore. Get out with idiotic feminists. I prefer to do other things,
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like work with men. But I do see it as kind of like that
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we were the ones that kicked in the door on this stuff back in the
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day, and we've served that purpose, so now it's time for other people
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to take it, and of course a lot of them will fuck up the
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message. Yeah yeah, but it's okay, that's okay. I agree with
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you on percent. Like what I've noticed is that when I have had guests
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on, I get people at different points in their life. You know.
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I've been lucky enough to have some very large voices like Reverend Jesse Lee Peterson,
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Sheriff David Clark. You know, I'm so lucky to have that,
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But I also got to talk to people who I didn't know who they were
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going to become. You know, Carl Benjamin Sargon, he was on our
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channel way back, Blair White. You know, it is like a trans
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woman. I mean, yes, yes, huge now like she's she was
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on Roseanne bar or something. You know, I'm like, well, I
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have I'm I'm one degree of separation away from Roseanne Bar you know, and
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you know what that And to me, that's fine, Like I don't care.
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I don't care if I am the person who gets to get the message
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out there. I just want someone to get it out there. I just
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want that conversation to happen, so that that's my whole thing. So I'm
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with you on that. So let's talk about x Y crew, Let's talk
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about what the SPLC said, and then let's talk about what it really is.
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Well, the PLC people could there'll be a link available people could read
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about at least read by response to it at a Voice forben dot com.
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But basically, all they said is that we were a hate group. No
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justification, no observations of anything that we've done or justify it, no quotes,
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no plants in our organization to observe us doing nefarious things. They just
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said we're a hate group. And the way they spelled it out it was
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largely because I run it, so that that I guess I'm the I think
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Rollo Tamasi called me the Charles Manson of the men's movement as far as feminists
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are concerns. Oh yeah, right, So I mean that's fine. They
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just said we're a hate group and publiced it, and of course the SPLC,
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you know, their public their publications have been used by lunatics out there
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to go out and target and shoot people because and that's sort of like the
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SPLT stick. They're looking over there, there's the bad man be ashamed of
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something happened to him. Yeah, it does. It does feel very mafioso
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like, yes it does. And they walked complished, and of course they're
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not going to get that, but that was the deal. They just oh
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and what was really funny is back in the day, as most people know,
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after I wrote an article reaction article to Jezebel's piece on women beating up
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their boyfriends, and so they declared us a hate group and a Voice for
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Men. Then when Cassie j made her movie and called them, they said,
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no, that's really not true. They're not a hate group. And
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then later they decided we were a hate group, and Voice for Men was
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a hate group until I left, and when Robert Brockway took over a Voice
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for Men, they were no longer a hate group. But because I left
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them with X White Crew, they are a hate group. This is like
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the thinking of four year olds that we're right. It's it's not very cogent,
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but that's what they do, and we're going to continue to do what
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we do. Yea, and people will believe it or not believe it.
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Unfortunately too many new believe it. So then what, okay, So what
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does it mean to be a male supremacist? I have absolutely okay, okay,
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and I never have. I mean, I think in one way this
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is a part of criminalizing thought. If I want to say which I fully
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believe men are more logical on average than women. I believe that's true.
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I believe been are more aggressive on average than women, or their aggression is
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is is expressed in different ways. But I would say men are definitely more
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physically aggressive. Yes, yes, that doesn't mean I'm a female supremacist for
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for holding that thought. That what it doesn't score for men. I think
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a lot of things about both sexes, but if we talk honestly about them,
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then they're that's that's there freeway Just say, oh, well, he
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says women are illogical? Yeah, yeah, exactly, And what would what
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would ever make a man say something like that? I wonder whever the person
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who said that does so is the SBLC basically just a feminist organization. It's
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a shame. Yes, it is a feminist organization. I pointed that out
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in my rebuttal to them. And here's the thing. They actually this is
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a sad story. The SPLC was responsible for putting a whole bunch of the
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Ku Kux Klan out of business back in the seventies. Good work, as
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far as I'm concerned, a wonderful service to society. They really did at
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one point have a meaningful mission. Now their mission is to raise money and
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to play politics. They demonize the mothers who are trying to have a voice
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in the school programs for their children. Yes, they did. They are
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in the list. Yeah, the prow Boys, Patriot Prayer. I mean,
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from what I know, these guys are not hate groups at all.
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They're patriotic basically. Yeah. Absolutely. And the groups that opposed gay marriage.
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I mean, to me, it's an arguable thing. You know,
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it should be you should have a discussion about that. I don't. I
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personally don't care about gay marriage. It doesn't I'm like, sure, why
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do you want to do that? Yeah, but it's fine with me.
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But they put groups that advocate for heterosexual man woman marriages on Hey boys,
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Yeah, yeah, like Catholics I think was on there too. Yeah,
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they call them radical Catholics, yes, which we really all know the subtext
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to that is all Catholics. Yeah really, I mean yeah, just I
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don't know that there's a different Joe Bud from one. Oh yeah right Catholic.
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I forgot Catholic with three k's, but he had other Katholic. Uh
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so yeah, it's it is. It is a mess. Unfortunately. This
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is just sort of like, you know, the norm for us. We
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always had to deal with with that kind of thing. But what does X
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Y Crew really do and what what kind of like I'm a part of it,
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so like spoiler alert, I kind of know. But for those of
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you guys who don't know, Wow, somebody who actually wants to know what
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we do and ask a question wild ideas. Obviously you have no future in
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the mainstream media, Brian. So if you dream that's why I'm doing this,
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you can do that now. X Y Crew is a sort of an
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intellectual refuge for like minded men to discuss their lives, to discuss improving their
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lives. We have guys from all walks of life, in all different stages.
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I would say of red pilled development, guys that are mixed how much,
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other guys that are just talked to a guy today that's planning to get
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married next month. We have married guys, single guys, all kinds of
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guys. But the main point is that we can be men in a male
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only environment. Well except for Janis is one group. Janis is an honorary
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man once a week for an hour. But everything else is all done by
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men, and we allow men only to talk about their lives honestly and openly.
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I mean, it's amazing. It seems like it's a simple thing,
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because you know, women can talk about their lives and the world will shove
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microphones in their face and demand everybody else shut up because they're talking. When
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men begin to speak honestly about our lives, the world tells us to shut
26:48
up. That's the reaction. Don't talk about it, quit whining whatever.
26:53
This drives them into suicide, I think because they don't have anywhere to go,
27:00
and we wouldn't be we are. We've been going five years now doing
27:03
this. We are a place to go. A guy can come in talk
27:07
about his life honestly. If he's married to a borderline female, he can
27:11
tell the truth about what's happening in his relationship. There are horrendous things happening
27:18
in those relationships. They're awful. We give a guy a place to go
27:22
to talk about that. We give guys a place to go to help other
27:26
guys. We've got guys that show up whose lives are asymptomatic of any of
27:30
this stuff. Their presence there's just to be a listening ear to others who
27:36
want to talk about problems and do things about it. It's also a place
27:41
of supreme accountability. In my opinion, we have looked at what feminism did
27:48
for women when it comes to victim identity. It's not a very good way
27:52
for BEMU. It's not the way we're ever men. Men are not wired
27:56
that way. This is why the toxic mask any stuff that they're like,
28:00
you need to talk about your feelings more men don't. They want to solve
28:03
problems, they want to work through them, right, and yeah, they
28:07
want to talk about them, but not in this kind of like let's all
28:11
you know, have like a cry session. You know, well, the
28:15
cyclobabilists will be all this all over this, but I say, from the
28:19
time, fuck your feelings. Yeah, your feelings are not going to put
28:25
bread on your table. Your your feelings are not going to repair your life
28:29
from all the damage that has been done. Yeah, And men operate on
28:33
action. We do things. We even express our grief through doing things.
28:37
I saw a meme on Twitter the other day that said, instead of going
28:41
to therapy, a lot of men will rebuild a steam engine and spend running
28:47
it with no pay instead of going to therapy. And it's true. And
28:52
we focused a lot of attention on that on how you help men, And
28:57
it's also oh, I'm sorry, go ahead. Well I would just say
29:00
you don't do it with boxes of Kleenex and hooks. Yeah, yeah,
29:03
yeah, And I and also I think that there is something to the conversation
29:11
happening the way it's happening with us, like over on a in a Zoom
29:15
meeting, you know, because I do the goals and Growth on Thursdays at
29:18
four. Sometimes I miss it because of scheduling, but usually I make it
29:22
there and everyone is on camera, you know, and we're all talking to
29:26
each other. This if this humanizes people more. So you don't get into
29:30
as many like online spats like you might on Twitter or in forums like the
29:37
in cell forums for example, I haven't I don't go to forums, but
29:41
i've I've had some of those guys on my show, and sometimes things get
29:45
heated. But a lot of it has to do with the fact that you're
29:48
just typing at other people's letters, right, So this is a lot better.
29:53
You can see, you know what they're thinking, you can tell when
29:56
someone's trying to speak up and all of that. What do you think about
30:00
that? Well? Absolutely, And if you look at the response article that
30:06
I wrote for SPLC, that is one of the things that I addressed in
30:10
there is that we're a lot of I said red pill, but it's actually
30:15
all environments on the internet. They're crash and burn over flame wars, over
30:21
unnecessary conflicts. And the red pill community is one of the worst about that.
30:26
It really is. And that's over whether or not you put a comma
30:30
or a period somewhere, and that's going to be their thing. They're helled
30:34
to die on just sort of crash and burn. Maketown dot com. I
30:40
went and checked it today. It's not there. Oh, it was a
30:45
huge forum. Yeah, I can't even get it to ring up. But
30:48
we see these these forums and these community groups spring up because they're needed,
30:56
and then just as quickly they crash and burn because guys can't get along.
31:00
But when you put me in an environment where we're looking at each other,
31:04
yeah, when we see each other's faces, the expressions, all of a
31:08
sudden, all that goes away. We don't have any of those problems at
31:12
X Y Crew. Never do we have. I think we had maybe one
31:18
person in five years, rach quit. Compare that to your average for right,
31:23
Quit by the hour you can. But yes, the men respect each
31:30
other. And this isn't something nobody had to corral them and say here's the
31:33
rules, you will respect each other. It just happened. As soon as
31:37
we started gathering and talking to each other face to face. There were no
31:41
problems, There were no conflicts. There were disagreements, and we still have
31:45
disagreements, ninety nine percent of them resolved quickly, and every once in a
31:52
while there's two people that just will never get along, just like real life.
31:57
So for me, it's been It's so much better than what you get
32:04
out of a Facebook page or these discussions. Been talking to each other about
32:10
their lived experience and holding each other's feet to the fire. Define solutions is
32:15
a great way for men to go. It works and that's why X Y
32:20
crew we're not going anywhere. Yeah, we've been here for five years.
32:24
We'll be here as long as I'm sucking there, and after I quit breathing,
32:28
somebody else will be running it. So there is a space for many.
32:34
Yeah. So, like I got into a I recently reopened my Twitter
32:39
account. I got a new one because I don't want to miss out on
32:43
all of a drama and also I'm using it to promote my other channel.
32:47
But there was someone who came after me and said, like, they know,
32:52
we know that we need to like stop I don't know fighting with feminists
32:55
on the internet. I don't know who this person is. I assume a
32:59
feminist as a woman, and she's wearing a mask, so I just assume
33:02
if you're wearing a mask, we're not talking, right, You're obviously yeah,
33:07
you're obviously a feminist. Right, where's your Ukraine flag and whatever the
33:10
current thing is? But she nek, yeah, Ukraine mask. Right.
33:16
She was like, you know, why why don't you create a space,
33:21
And I said, well, we try to create spaces and feminists always break
33:24
them up, and because you know, I don't know if you know,
33:28
but like Laura Bates, you know who that is. She's a she's an
33:31
English feminist, and she's always talking about the the Mannisphere sort of internet space,
33:37
and she doesn't say it explicitly, but based on her criticisms, basically
33:42
she wants to shut the whole thing down. She wants to ban men from
33:45
the Internet completely or at least wherever they go. She wants them monitored by
33:50
women basically, right, So it's like, what, men can't have a
33:52
space, And I think that that is part of the problem I was talking
33:57
about earlier, where you know, I think men need a purpose side of
34:00
women, and I think that a lot of these red pill guys are.
34:02
They're in the same situation. Even though take converted to Islam. I don't
34:08
think that that's like I don't think that he's really understands what a higher purpose
34:14
is, a higher calling and this is what men want. And by extension,
34:16
I think women want that too, and I don't think they're gonna do
34:20
anything until they see what men are doing. Unfortunately. I mean, I
34:22
wanted to believe before when we started doing this that, like, you know,
34:27
one of the things we want to do at Honey Badger Radio is motivate
34:30
women to get involved. And it has worked. We've got a lot more
34:34
women speaking out, but it's too few. And I think, well,
34:37
if this is going to change course, because like we're at a point now
34:39
where our population is collapsing, Like people like you or we're already retired,
34:46
right, there are gonna be like the next generation is going to be they're
34:50
they're coming up on retirement. They're expecting like that the you know, the
34:54
safety net will take care of them. But unfortunately, because so many women
34:59
are drain on that system and so few men are paying into that system,
35:04
and then they're not having children, there's gonna be a point where there's going
35:07
to be no one to pay into the system that supports people. Right,
35:10
So it's unsustainable. And I'm like, well, the thing that has to
35:15
happen, and I'm not saying that I know how, but the only thing
35:17
that can happen is people have to form families or otherwise all of your dreams
35:22
of like universal healthcare and UBI and all this other shit, it's not going
35:27
to happen. And before that, infrastructure is going to collapse, right,
35:30
and that includes importing a bunch of people because they're not reproducing either, like
35:35
you know, the all the illegals and everything, so it's a it's it's
35:38
a problem. So I'm like, okay, well, then the only thing
35:40
that going to happen now is that men have to put women aside for a
35:45
moment, focus on themselves, make the most of what they are, find
35:50
that higher calling, pursue it, and then the the women, if they're
35:53
smart enough, they'll follow. Does that make sense? It makes sense.
35:58
However, I don't think men are ever going to quote unquote put women aside
36:04
for them, Yeah, until they have no other choice. Only then,
36:10
I mean, men will be down to their last fifty cents with the government
36:16
trying to get two dollars out of them, still trying to please and take
36:22
care of women. And as long as been to keep doing that, I
36:25
think we I think we have to crash and burn first, Yeah, before
36:30
we'll any kind of real resurgence of sanity into the system. Because you're right
36:37
right now, women basically are net losers where it comes concerns taxes and entitlement
36:44
spending. They really don't pay taxes compared to men at all. They collect
36:49
more in entitlements and they put into the system and men make up the difference
36:53
for the obviously not sustainable, particularly in a system that's not appropriated. Uh,
37:02
it's just not gonna happen. So I think I think what we gotta
37:07
do. I believe very strongly what Aaron Clary always says, enjoy the decline,
37:14
watching watch it on TV, have a beer, and the whole fucking
37:17
thing burn because that's what's coming. And that's all right, yeah, I
37:22
know. And you know it'll just be the Amish left, and that's okay
37:27
because they're having lots and lots of kids. So the Amish, the Luddites,
37:31
the Middenites, all those guys will thrive after the poll. Everybody else
37:37
will suffer. Yep. Uh. You know a quick point about we were
37:42
talking about earlier about planting the seed, and you mentioned the article, you
37:47
know, bash, a violent Bitch Month article that that basically was like your
37:52
it's your you know, your big thing, right, uh? And and
37:57
I think that is the seed. That is an example because if it weren't
38:00
for that, then Cassie Jay would not have started on that journey. That
38:04
was the thing that drew her in, right, and now she's got a
38:08
movie that does a deep dive. Fortunately she had the integrity and the honesty
38:14
to like pursue it justly, unlike everyone else, and I mean everyone else
38:19
that had a chance to do this stuff. And now I think I think
38:22
that the conversation is changing. I have some optimism, at least around the
38:28
conversation. I do think that it's you know, we're probably going to see
38:31
a collapse. I don't know if it'll be in my lifetime, but it's
38:35
certainly we're certainly on the way. But I have noticed that I've seen the
38:39
word missentry used in casual conversation, right, I've seen it in headlines.
38:45
I've seen it in headlines too. Yes, absolutely, and it is Yes,
38:51
we have Definitely. There's no doubt in my mind that I can go
38:55
to my grave knowing that I was one of the people, one of the
38:59
handful of people pool that actually did something to start changing the narrative and have
39:04
people using a different language. It's absolutely happening. And by the way,
39:07
the Red Pill movie that is probably probably the best I told you so that
39:14
could ever happen to anybody. I have had people for years, ever since
39:19
I started doing this, Paul, why don't you sound more like Warren?
39:22
How why do you have to be so confrontational, so rude, so brou
39:28
shouldn't you be more like Warren? Warren wrote a best seller on these issues
39:34
and was quickly forgotten. And if I had not done things the way I
39:39
had did them, the Red Pill movie would have never been made. And
39:44
that movie has influenced a lot of people's I bet it's been seen by several
39:49
million at this point, and it has influenced people's thinking about men, about
39:53
men's issues. You see. I think it's not sufficient, but you see
39:59
more literal empathy about men's condition that you ever saw before. Yes, m
40:06
yeah, more people are are making content about it again. I already talked
40:08
about June her online persona's shoe on head and she used to be a regular
40:15
on our show years ago again before she blew up. Because it's like it's
40:20
like we have the magic touch. You come on our show and then you
40:22
go on to blow up later. This mean I might expect her, Yeah,
40:27
you might, you might blow up. You probably see you on Alex
40:30
Jones, Like you know, in a week or so, here's hoping here's
40:36
a little seventeen seventy six will rise again anyway. So yeah, So like
40:43
about the the Cassie Jay things. So yeah, I thought that that was
40:49
really amazing and and this this, this is by the way, despite how
40:53
the media treated her and that film and how badly like these large sort of
41:00
streaming companies, you know, restricted access, like I think that Netflix wouldn't
41:05
display it. She was asking them and asking them, and I believe there
41:08
was another streaming service that didn't do it, but it ended up on Amazon,
41:14
I think, and so they were okay with it. I mean,
41:16
they just wanted to make money, and you know what, that's fine by
41:19
me. Make the money, right, And now I think you can watch
41:22
it for free on YouTube. And I've been seeing, like you said,
41:25
more of this is coming out. More people are talking about these issues.
41:29
Shoe made a video where she was talking about because she was a leftist,
41:35
so she was talking about it from that perspective. And we went through the
41:38
video and I got pretty heated. And I don't normally do that, but
41:43
I have been getting really frustrated with some of the things that in particular women
41:47
on the internet have been doing that have been like claimed to have been like
41:52
on our side. But I think this is something that even my wife said,
41:55
you know, at some point. It seems like many women reach a
41:59
point when they're in this space where they're like, I can't like, you
42:02
know, I can't deal with this much truth or you know, these men,
42:07
their their frustrations or their anger. You know, I just can't handle
42:10
it and I got to leave. And I think that that does happen or
42:14
they can't handle the skepticism that our audience throws their way. And the thing
42:20
is, if they really understood the issues like they claimed to, they would
42:25
understand that skepticism, understand the resistance to them by wounded men who don't trust
42:31
women in this space. The ones that have lasted I think got that.
42:37
I see Karen Strong as somebody that really got that from the beginning and didn't
42:40
react to the just yea that sort of thing. People like Sidney Watson and
42:47
others, you know, they've got a few rude comments. Lauren Southern was
42:51
another one who came out. And what did Laurence say? She said,
42:54
I gave them the benefit of the doubt, like that was hers to furrowed
43:00
us. Yes, the credibility, the arrogance and entitlement came out in the
43:06
end, and it frequently does. Yep, Yeah, that's right, I
43:09
remember that very well. And you know, and again I had Sidney Watson
43:14
on too, like again when she was small, you know, and I
43:16
but I could tell something was up because she kept making these kind of middle
43:22
ground cases and I was like, this is not really an issue of you
43:25
know, like when I say men had this problem, I'm not saying women
43:29
don't have a problem, but that that's kind of what's what her brains was
43:34
translating, right, And I'm like, yeah, but we already have a
43:37
movement for women. I don't know if you've heard. It's it's a little
43:43
excessive, you know, so but anyways, yes, it has made the
43:50
rounds. And so like June, well, you know, I'll come back
43:53
to Shoe. I want to ask something else. I want to I'm gonna
43:57
do some super childs. I saw the guys send some super child I will
44:00
read them in a little while. Jojo is being so he's just laying there.
44:06
I don't know what's going on with him. He's expecting me to give
44:07
him more treats. I don't have anything else, all right, but who
44:12
I saw I see some some familiar names that are a part of x Y
44:15
crew, that like have sort of things they do. Who's involved with this?
44:20
Who? Who? If somebody decided they wanted to be a member,
44:22
it's only five bucks a month, guys, and it's and I think it's
44:25
totally worth it. Who a month And we don't turn away anybody based all
44:30
money. If you've just been divorced and you're broke, get a hold of
44:35
us. We'll get you in it. Yeah, there you go. So
44:37
even if you're struggling. So who who else is a part of this besides
44:42
you and me? You and me and Janice Fiamingo is a part of it.
44:47
We have a Rob Tiller from Australia who is an interesting guy. He's
44:52
a Texas transplant to Australia. He was the one. He was a guy.
44:58
He got fired from a job for posting a Bettina Aren't article on his
45:02
Facebook page about violence. Yes, I bet just think of Peter posted one
45:09
of my articles. He posted one from Bettina Aren't. He got fired and
45:15
he sued to try to win and of course they signed with the company that
45:17
fired him. Totally bad situation. But he's was this in the Was this
45:23
in the States that this court thing happened? Was this in Australia? It
45:28
wasn't Australian, okay, okay. Where he is a counselor. That was
45:31
his job was counseling, working with domestic violence victims and others. And he
45:36
posted this article which was very helpful about the subject. They fired him for
45:40
it. He facilitates a weekly group. We have other Australians facilitating groups.
45:45
We've got a gentleman from the UK who does a photography group. Oh yeah,
45:52
is it Tom? It's not Tom, It's oh yeah. Tom is
45:54
the guy. By the way, guys, Tom is the guy who films
45:58
the ic ms when we have them live. He does all the footage.
46:01
Very hard working guy, super cool dude. I love a brilliant teacher when
46:07
it comes to auditivisual stuff. He knows his stuff very well. Poor guy
46:13
had a heart attack not too long ago, but he's recovering nicely. We're
46:19
expecting a long life out of him. Well he has to live. We
46:22
won't let him die. But yeah, that about sums it up. I
46:28
mean, we have people very backgrounds. Donald Offendale's another one who hosts a
46:32
group on Wednesday nights, a check in group for guys. And that's check
46:37
in groups is just where we come in and give a summary of how a
46:40
week or month or year our life has gone, and get feedback from others.
46:46
It is not Again, as Brian pointed out earlier, I want people
46:50
to know these are not group therapy sessions where we sit around and pass Kleenex
46:54
and guess what every wanted a guy. While a guy will tear up,
46:58
that's okay. We're not feelings or emotions. They're very real and we're there
47:02
for that. But we find most often men operate best when we're talking about
47:07
solutions and holding each other to account for achieving our goals. Somebody's going to
47:15
do this is nearly every day of the week. It's a wonderful resource for
47:22
men. We have guys. One gentleman showed up was quite suicidal. He
47:28
was he was in bad trouble and he has now ended up. He runs
47:32
our cybershed. He's there all the time for new guys. Can we have
47:37
a cybershed that operates twenty four hours a day where you can come in.
47:40
Most of the time there's somebody there. Sometimes they're going, but it's a
47:45
place outside the meetings that people can come in. And this gentleman runs that
47:50
for us, maintains it has maintained it for years now since he joined us,
47:54
and he's become an institution around x Y Crew for his wonderful work being
48:02
there for men who show up in bed shit. Yeah, see what I
48:07
mean? He had, he has a purpose now, he has his calling,
48:09
right, gives him something greater than Yes, Yes, something greater exactly
48:15
exactly yes. And also you know, I just I didn't notice this before,
48:21
but you have a music round table, Uncle Mike. Does he like
48:24
teach people how to play instruments? Is that what that is? He doesn't.
48:29
This is just where guys come together and we share music with cool cool
48:34
Yeah, and sometimes those those meetings last three and four hours of talking about
48:39
music. Yeah, playing one song after another and talking about music. It's
48:44
amazing how much fun it is. It is. It is a lot of
48:46
fun. Yeah, that's great, man. Okay, So I got about
48:51
ten minutes. I'm gonna read some super Child. Is there anything else about
48:53
x Y Crew that I did not mention or SPLC or whatever that you wanted
48:59
to bring up? Screw the SBLC. We're done. But what I want
49:05
to stress to guys at their look if talking to other guys that being in
49:09
a group of guys. If that doesn't appeal to you, find I get
49:14
it. Under said, it's not for everybody, but if you'd like to
49:16
help roll in and toss in five bucks a month anyway, you'll be sponsoring
49:21
some of the guy that can't pay it. We do this, like I
49:23
said, we provide probably I would say fifty sixty hours of life support per
49:30
month to all the guys there for five bucks a month. We need support
49:38
to keep doing this. So look, you know, if you want to
49:43
be a big donor, fine, right me. But most importantly, if
49:46
you got the price of a Starbucks to spare once a month, drop it
49:51
on us. It'll support another guy who's who's in real trouble, who really
49:55
does need us to come in and be a part of us. Yeah,
50:00
pay it forward. So so, yeah, there was speaking of pay it
50:04
forward. I watched this is like as an aside. I watched The Sound
50:08
of Freedom on Sunday. So I don't know if you've seen that movie.
50:14
I haven't. I don't know if you have it, if you had any
50:15
interest in it or whatever, but I do, well, yeah, I
50:20
do recommend it. I do recommend it, and I think the main reason
50:22
why I decided I really wanted to see it was because of how the media
50:27
treated it, because it reminded me of the Red Pill. It was the
50:30
same thing. And they have a system called pay it Forward where you know,
50:34
if you like are able, you can pay for an extra ticket and
50:38
that would somebody can get to watch the movie free. So maybe you could,
50:43
like, I don't know, look at that model and you could do
50:44
something like that with X Y crew. So guys that can't afford it,
50:47
you know, they can have somebody else sort of pay their way. So
50:51
just something to think about. Check it out. Yeah, yeah, definitely,
50:54
it's very it's very cool. So I got some super chows. I'm
50:58
gonna read them out. So a couple from this morning. So before the
51:02
show, commenter gives us ten dollars and says thank you for Firesight Chat two
51:07
twenty seven and maintaining frame sixty six. This is Firesight Chat two twenty eight.
51:13
So you're talking about Phil Mitchell. Yes, Phil Mitchell's great. I'm
51:15
glad he came on. Apparently, despite being a gay man that cares about
51:20
therapy for men and healing them in a masculine way, he's still the enemy
51:23
to feminists. So you remember all that intersectional garbage. It doesn't mean anything.
51:29
It comes down to men of the enemy or people who oppose their narrative.
51:32
Are the enemy? Maintaining frame sixty seven? Is its five bucks?
51:37
It says great show. Thank you. By the way, did you know
51:39
that Amazon has been a military contractor for at least a decade now? They
51:44
sell cloud services to the government. In general, big tech has joined the
51:47
military industrial complex. Not surprising, I mean, no surprise at all,
51:52
Earth, Yeah, no surprise there. Corporations are generally they are government institutions,
52:00
our fascist institutions. They are not capitalist, no matter what these people
52:02
tell you. So yeah, sure. I mean who was the one who
52:07
benefited the most when they were locking down all the small businesses? It was
52:09
Amazon, so yeah, Walmart and Walmart, Yeah, all the big companies,
52:15
but especially Amazon. I think they became a trillion dollar company after that.
52:19
So well, it was like I understand it. The the virus didn't
52:24
go into places like Amazon, yeah, I didn't go or or to uh
52:30
yeah yeah. And it didn't go to like you know, BLM riots or
52:35
anything like that, Like it didn't spread those places, just like beaches in
52:37
Florida that yeah, yeah, Okay, so I got one more. ZARX
52:45
gives his twenty bucks. Thank you. Zarankson says, Brian, please forgive
52:49
the length, Paul. I'd like to know if what you said regarding red
52:52
pill philosophy in part six of your Fight Club review is something you still believe.
52:57
If so, how can we get that message out there, seeing as
53:00
so many are trying to tear down what will be helpful to men in spite
53:05
of the fact that they merely dip their toes in the water. If that,
53:08
I've included it in case you don't remember it, so he does have
53:12
it here, I'll read it for you. Yeah, okay, remember what
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I said in part six? Yeah, I don't remember what I said yesterday.
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Red pill philosophy, at least as I understand it, reduced to its
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core wisdom, informs us that the enemy, the real enemy, is within.
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It's not women that get us, it's our naivete and mindless attachment to
53:35
them. It's not guinocentrism, it's our willingness to enslave others by making sacra
53:39
sanct it's crazy dictates. It's not calm surism, consumerism. It's our under
53:45
undeveloped values and our attachment to things, our worship of objects, and the
53:51
imagined status that they bring. That's the beauty of red pill philosophy. It
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doesn't require the world to change for us to reap the benefits. If we
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want to erase the impact of consumer in our lives, the only thing we
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need destroy is our credit cards, not Walmart, not Ikea, not Starbucks,
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but the part of ourselves that is foolish enough to believe and think those
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things are important. Red Pill men don't seek to destroy marriage, they just
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quit participating in it. Our reaction to the stupidity of marriage is a strike,
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not a war. Red Pill men place the onus for change where it
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belongs on ourselves. That is the freedom. It's the only answer that has
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was ever needed. End quote. Well that was pretty good. Yeah,
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it was pretty profound. I don't know who wrote that, But yeah,
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I don't know who wrote that. Somebody he should have a show. I
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will be happy to tell your listener that your viewer rather that I definitely believe
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that all of it, every word. Yeah, me too. But it's
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like, I think that's the biggest flaw in the red pill community is too
54:52
much obsession with what doesn't work what doesn't work in women, what doesn't work
54:59
in government, what doesn't work in corporations, what's not working is here,
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M that's what's not working, and we fixed that that other stuff. It
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lessens the impact of it. We've become detached from it and free from it.
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So I would say hell yes to every last word of that. Yeah,
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thank you, Zerrank's very good. I agree percent too. I mean,
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I'm a political person, but I think that it all starts from the
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very very bottom. Nonetheless, so person, but you're not waiting for Joe
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Biden for you, No, I'm yeah, that's my whole thing is.
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And this is what I kind of ranted about because Shoe, you know,
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as a leftist, she's always thinking about what can the government do? And
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I'm like, they have done enough, like you know what I mean,
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and nothing. Yeah, I said, if they get out of the way.
55:52
And this is the thing like women and I include women like that are
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supposedly you know, red pill women or claim to be or whatever. They
56:01
see the state as a replacement for men. So when they say we need
56:06
the state to do this, they want to say, or what they really
56:09
should be saying is how can I encourage the men in our community to make
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this better because the state will not do it. And the problem is is
56:17
that we have demonized men, we have marginalized men, we have minimalized them,
56:22
we have attacked them, we have you know, done everything you could,
56:25
and yet somehow they're managing to keep everything running regardless. And yet we're
56:30
still people like that are still complaining or they're trying to figure out how they
56:34
can get the government to do stuff. And I'm like, can we just
56:37
focus on the people who actually, like who pays the government? Guys?
56:40
Why are you including the middleman here? Just go to the people. I
56:45
need your help, ladies. So it's nothing wrong with saying I need your
56:47
help, like the like, there's no shame in that. So anyway,
56:52
Yeah, I can be political, but only in so far as I would
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like to remove obstacles. That's all that is is stickles, all right?
57:00
And I got one Rumble ranch because we're also on Rumble. What's up Rumble
57:05
gang, shout out to you guys. Hopefully Rumble will continue to grow because
57:08
I think it's going to be a very good competitor to YouTube. I believe
57:12
that in the long run, uh oi can woee who I always butcher his
57:15
name. I don't even know how you're supposed to say, be give us
57:17
a dollar and just says based indeed, agreed. All right. So I
57:25
feel like there was one Oh, yeah, you were asking me something.
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I'm gonna quit to the patient show. But you mentioned that song before we
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started. That song by that's been going viral. Do you remember the name
57:39
is like the rich Man from Richmond, Richmond, north of Richmond, north
57:45
of Richmond. Yeah, yeah, and I don't remember the name of the
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artist. Is brilliant delivery of just just wonderful. But I was really hardened
57:54
that he included a line in there directly about the oh we're doing the men
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is kicking them whither down. The young men are suffering and we just kick
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them. Yeah. For that line to be a part of a song that's
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gone viral, really think I think it affirms what we were talking about earlier,
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Brian. The narrative is changing. It's not the taboo. That's what
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we did in the beginning. We took the taboo thing and said, fuck
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it, we're gonna say it anyway. We're gonna say out in publicly,
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and we're gonna keep saying it until people figure out that it's not really very
58:34
radical. Just say thing we're saying. It's common sense, and I believe
58:38
that's happening. Now. I'm just I will pay for the download of that
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guy's song in a heartbeat. Yeah, I'm over the moon over that line.
58:49
I'm glad you brought that up. I do think that this is changing.
58:52
And yeah, so I guess we're out of time for the main show
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