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99: Frances Garcia - How to get into EdTech: From Rallying on the Court to Innovating in Education · Career Clarity with Athletes: A 2ndwind Podcast with Ryan Gonsalves

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Now, this is that next shift for you, moving from freelancing corporate to, okay, you're co-founder, you are a growth engine.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Now, to what extent have you recognized that this is another transition for you?
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: You know, ryan, I think we forget there's never a nonstop of transitioning.
• 0:16
  Speaker 2: Everything's always a transition, whether people want to recognize it or not, or people avoid it.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: But this definitely is a transition for me because I'm so also used to being behind the scenes.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: I'm also used to being part one of many working on a team of folks and have someone lead.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: That's also been my role on the team on when I played volleyball.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: I was a utility player.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: I was.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: I was comfortable with that.
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, put me anywhere, I'm good.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: But now it's Francis, you need to lead and you need to help move this forward, because I can't do it by myself.
• 0:49
  Speaker 2: Being called to do that is there's actually no words for that.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: It's just like okay.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Ryan Gonsalves and welcome to a Second Wind Academy podcast, a show all about career transition through the lens of elite athletes.
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: Each week, I invite a guest to the show who shares their unique sporting story.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: Please join me to delve into the thoughts and actions of athletes through a series of conversations.
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: Don't worry, there's plenty to learn from those of you that aren't particularly sporty.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: Elite athletes are still people after all.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: Let's be inspired by the stories of others.
• 1:30
  Speaker 1: Francis, welcome to the show thanks, ryan, for having me.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: Really appreciate it, love with what you guys are doing and so excited to be here awesome.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you are probably not as excited as I am to have you here, because one of the bits that I love doing about this podcast is I get to meet awesome people and hear their story, and I'm looking forward to sort of breaking down where you're coming from and where you've got to today, so it should be a fun way to kickstart my day and to finish off yours.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: I'm ready, awesome.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: Well, frances, a lot of people are going to be listening into this show.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: They're not going to know a lot about you, so please just introduce yourself.
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: Let us know who you are and what you're up to.
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so.
• 2:14
  Speaker 2: Hi everyone, I'm Frances Garcia.
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: I am a co-founder and chief growth officer for a company and startup called Postseason.
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: We're an ed tech startup building resources for former athletes, built by athletes for athletes.
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: And why this is this mission and this startup is so important to me is I'm actually a former division one volleyball player collegiate volleyball player in the US.
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: I went to Gonzaga University in Spokane, washington, and for those who don't know where that is, it's the most Northwest state of the US, right below Vancouver, canada.
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: So very cold.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: I say that because I was born and raised in sunny California, los Angeles, california, so that transition already was, it was just so cold.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think we pay enough attention to weather transitions in our lives, do we?
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: We always let that slide, but it is quite a big one for us.
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: We always let that slide, but cold and snow is a whole other thing, especially if you've never had to use your ID card to scrape ice off your windshield.
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: That's an experience.
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: So I definitely got made fun of quite a bit, but nonetheless it was great.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: I come from a very diverse family, diverse background.
• 3:26
  Speaker 2: My dad is actually from Manila, philippines, and his family.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: They migrated to California and my mom was born in Southern California, but her parents are from Guadalajara, mexico.
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: So a blend of two amazing cultures.
• 3:38
  Speaker 2: So that makes me first generation Filipino American, second generation Mexican American and the first in my family to get recruited to play a division one sport.
• 3:47
  Speaker 2: And especially culturally you think about you know a lot of.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: At the time, many years ago, when I played, a lot of girls weren't leaving home.
• 3:55
  Speaker 2: You know, culturally that just isn't what we do.
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: We stay home to take care of the family till we're 30.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: And then we, you know, marry off and go and do the adult thing.
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: But I was living my best life and playing a sport and living out the dream that I thought of when I was a young girl.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: So that was not just like really a major accomplishment, though for myself.
• 4:15
  Speaker 2: I'm actually five feet and four inches and I don't know what the conversion is in your metrics that you use over there, but it's very short relative to a lot of the players that play volleyball.
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: I have to do a lot of this, most of the time looking up, but it was really.
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: This accomplishment was for all the young girls that looked like me, that are Pacific Islander or Latina, that didn't have the opportunity or didn't know that that was an option for them, and so being able to even just make it to that part of life, it meant everything for me, for visibility, for representation and just like it was really good for the heart.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: So that's wonderful, that's a great introduction.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: So much to understand about that, because I'm imagining, given your heritage, you talk there about your height at 5'4" and I'm there and I'm thinking, how does that relate to volleyball?
• 5:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're meeting each other, you know virtually.
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm there and I'm thinking, how does that relate to volleyball?
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know we're meeting each other, you know virtually.
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: So I don't know how tall you are.
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm taking Mexican and Filipina.
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not getting six or five, okay.
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: And then not only that, with the that sort of emerging generation that you would have been, how typical has it been for your peers or for your cousins, uncles, to go to university?
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: I think in my cousin lineage it was the move.
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's what our parents worked really hard to make sure and sacrifice to make sure that was the next step for us.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't a weird conversation that we were going to college.
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: I just didn't have anyone really to resonate on the athletic side of things.
• 5:44
  Speaker 2: At 10, my parents put me in a.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: I actually played basketball first, so that was my first love.
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: I played with the boys because there were not a lot of girls camps or opportunities for girls to play at that age and so I just was really good athletically.
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: That's all I really wanted to do is play basketball, play basketball.
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: And then volleyball came and I was like volleyball, volleyball, volleyball.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: And a coach finally said you know, I think you should put your kid in some club sports.
• 6:09
  Speaker 2: I think she will find a lot more benefit and I think she'll adjust well.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: And the rest is history.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: I started traveling really young on travel teams and again, bless my parents, like they figured out, that was my thing.
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: I have three younger brothers, so, out of all of it, you know that's that was my thing and they really made sure that.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: All right, francis, this is your dream.
• 6:29
  Speaker 2: This is what you said you want to do.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: We're going to hold you accountable to it, you know, or else we're pulling you out and I was like, no, I don't know, nope, I'm gonna, we're gonna do this.
• 6:36
  Speaker 2: Family things.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: I missed being a teenager at some moments, quinceañeras, all the cultural, cool things that they got to do.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: I missed those moments with friends and people from my community for, you know, just for this dream.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, it was definitely an adjustment.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: Now that I look back, it's I wouldn't change a thing.
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: I would do it all over again, and probably better.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: I'm probably better.
• 7:02
  Speaker 1: Well, let's jump straight into that.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by better?
• 7:06
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean being an athlete, you know, we always drill down into, like I remember moments of where I missed the ball and they were.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: They were game winning moments or just moments where I was like, oh I, if I just would have stepped this way, or I was a second ahead.
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: We're always that way and I, I think, better meaning when I mentioned I missed a lot of opportunities for social life and that there were, I feel like I could have trained harder because now, knowing what I know now as an adult, I wasn't really missing much.
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, there were moments, but there was also teenage up to no good, so I would have just spent a lot more time really refocusing.
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: You know how I could have been a better player mentally too.
• 7:47
  Speaker 2: I think the mental game is is so important.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: I see a lot of young athletes.
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Now they have to deal with social media.
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: I did not have to deal with that and so being when I follow players like Kobe Bryant, he talks about, you know, the Mamba mentality.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: That's a real thing thing and I love him talking about like getting up a couple hours extra in the day to just get more reps in, and I'm, when you just think about that, and even in your professional life.
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what I mean by love just better opportunities.
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: Everything can always be better, but you know we're.
• 8:19
  Speaker 1: We are where we're supposed to be yeah, exactly right, and I guess what you're talking there it makes me think about that reflection.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: So, even now, as we finished our athletic careers, at least to that standard, because we can still do it, but it's not the same level.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: But when we think about, when we reflect on those moments and the opportunities that we had, it's true we start to see elements where I could have tried harder this time or I could have done that bit extra, because you know what it was okay it would have played out.
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: It's just harder to see that at the moment.
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, and you're.
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: How old are you at the time 16, 17, 18, when you're making a crucial decision to go to university and which one's the right one?
• 8:59
  Speaker 2: You have to leave home, and all those things it's you don't know.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: You're juggling that and then still trying to catch up socially and emotionally and mentally.
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: One has to give.
• 9:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, when did you realize you were good enough to play Division I?
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: When did you realize that was a real opportunity for you?
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: I was playing basketball at the time, sixth grade.
• 9:22
  Speaker 2: I really committed to the training and I my parents took us to UCLA men's and women's basketball games and I looked at the court and I remember we would go out.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: That was our family outing.
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: We would go Tuesday whenever the games were right.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: I remember going at least once a week best way to.
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: Also, if you have a large family and feed them, it's like the best investment you can do and you do everything together as a family.
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: You go, you eat, it's entertainment, it's fun.
• 9:48
  Speaker 2: But that moment I saw I think I remember her name's Erica Gomez, so a girl that looked like me, not as tall as the rest of them, but I was like I want to do that.
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: So about sixth or seventh grade, which is 12 years old, 13 years old.
• 10:01
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, that was the moment I said that's what I want to do.
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: The moment I realized I was good was when I was making the club teams that were being able to travel and get seen by college scouts.
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: So once I got to see the scouts in the stands and then they were, you know, adding me to lists, that was like a moment.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is a real thing, and so then it became more real for me and I had to really commit.
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: So you've already spoken about that commitment and the bit of sacrifice that you had to make on that journey.
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: So, when you're on this journey, what did you aspire to become?
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get to college.
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be.
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get to college and play on that on that platform, because I felt like once you get to that platform you can really leverage that for really anything.
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: It's a launch pad.
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: It's what 2% 1% go into playing college and then even further it's the same percentage or even less that go professional.
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: So I was inspired by a college player.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: So then I saw myself like I would love to do that and more.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know what comes after that, but I know after this there's going to be something further, because it got me going just by going to watch one game and hit a light bulb.
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: I aspired to be that person for other young girls that were coming to watch me play.
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: It's beautiful.
• 11:22
  Speaker 1: It really is, and you know, what I do love about that is whether she knew it or not, but she was being a role model by playing, by being one of the first to break that barrier.
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: Be it whatever it was, but you saw something in her that resonated with you and that gives.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of other dynamics that came into it.
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: So the middle school, elementary school it's kindergarten through eighth grade that I went to.
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: You know, at that point you either go to the public school system or you go to a private school.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: And because my parents didn't have really the knowledge of, like, how do we get her to where she needs to be, we looked at the private schools that were actually recruiting me to come play for their programs.
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: We looked at the private schools that were actually recruiting me to come play for their programs and some of the teachers and administrators told me Francis, you should just go to our high school.
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: We don't really think you're going to make it.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: So that's another.
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: When you ask me, what also fueled that narrative fueled me like, oh OK, you don't think I can, but I know I can.
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: And so that continued to.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Really I'm going to make it there because I'm going to tell it, show you that I'm, I deserve to be there too.
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: So I think so many of us I want to say, but so many athletes.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: Someone says no, you can't, and there's this sort of defiance nature that comes in that says yes, I can and I'll show you.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: And you know, we kind of make it well.
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: It becomes an additional fuel to the fire.
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: Added motivation.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: That's where the fighting spirit starts to really shine through.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Now you know you spoke there about that you knew once you could get there, something else would happen You'd be able to have a platform.
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: Else would happen You'd be able to have a platform.
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: So for you, certainly going through college or leaving college, things have changed now with NIL and those elements, so let's talk a bit about that.
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: So for you at college, what did you want to do with the platform and what happened?
• 13:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great question.
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: It's interesting and I'm sure you experienced this as well.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: And it's interesting and I'm sure you experienced this as well.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: They don't talk about what happens when you get there.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: You find out as you go.
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: I loved my team.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: I will say, you know, I've made some really lifelong friends.
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: But I think it's interesting, in the female game of female sports side of things, we start transitioning a lot earlier than the male sports because there are, at the time were not very many opportunities to go professional.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: You know, I found that a lot of my teammates were already, I wouldn't say checked out, but they were checking out, and so that was jarring for me because I was thinking I'm gonna go into.
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: I went to this UCLA game.
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: I see how incredible like they're out there in the community, they're signing basketballs and volleyballs and doing this and that.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: And I got to this UCLA game.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: I see how incredible like they're out there in the community they're signing basketballs and volleyballs and doing this and that.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: And I got to my program, and no diss to my program.
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: But it just was not the same when I got there.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: So I kind of had to figure out what impact.
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: What did I want to do?
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: What did I want to get out of it?
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: So there were opportunities to go do camps in Seattle and this and that.
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: So I always signed up for that.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: I always want to do that.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: I was able to coach club volleyball, so some girls who've never played volleyball before, and I thought that was.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is going to be challenging but I'm going to do it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: And so I always found myself trying to find other things.
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: So I mean, that's the nature of sport, right, you don't know, you train for it, but when you get into the game everything's a variable.
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: So similar I would say similar situation.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to do what I could with what I had.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's fascinating that experience you had, rocking up and at least you having a sense that, boom, from here we're going to spring on to greatness.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: There's even more to come, but it sounds like for many reaching college day one was it it was like boom done it.
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: There wasn't this perception or this recognition that as an elite athlete, there's so more that they can give and indeed create right.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Yep, and I think certain people coming from different backgrounds they maybe come from a lineage of doctors or their parents are in finance and so for them, nonprofit and the administrative side, but they weren't trying to influence me one way or the other and there's a running joke that most Filipinos become nurses or what have you.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: There's always like the cultural joke.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: But I just met, I said, dad, listen, like it's just not going to be me.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I'm really sorry your hopes of me becoming a nurse is not going to happen.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: But at that time I think Facebook and Instagram were epitome of 05 to 09, was just like the epitome of social media.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: It was like on the rise and, unfortunately, where my school was located, a lot of what they were pushing in the business school was a lot of finance and accounting.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: So a lot of big, big, big companies.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to do finance or accounting.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: That was just the thing.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: Marketing wasn't a big push.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Our program for that was really small.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: So when I got back home, that's when I really started to get more influenced into new media, sports media.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Everything was in LA is the hub, it's Hollywood, right, that's where some of the big networks are here.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: So I didn't really know what I wanted to do until I came back home and really kind of settled in here.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: So okay, so just understanding that period coming out of college playing div one, getting your your degree so getting the qualification nailing, but it sounds like not really having a sense of what you were going to do next.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: That is correct.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: You know a lot of the time you're focused on.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: I just need to get my playing time.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm here.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I know I'm going to graduate, I know I'm smart, I get good grades, but this is my time to maximize, because I don't know if there is any more after this and I figured, okay, I'll figure it out afterwards.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not too worried.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I just need to be super present and really fight for my spot here, and if there is a chance for me to play professionally when I got to my last year, then let's take it.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, volleyball was really my focus.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and understandably so right, understandably so that your focus is volleyball, because that's what helped get you to that college.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: So I'm curious then you know you spoke then about the influence of being in LA, and how did you open yourself up to influence?
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I I'm kind of introverted in a way, but when it comes to, I guess, business settings, I'm really good networker.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: So the school, high school that I went to it's Notre Dame high school, and there's a lot of kids that I went to that have parents that were in the industry, and so I started there, you know, networking with them like hey, do you think I can talk to your dad or your mom about what they do and really just trying to understand what kind of jobs were out there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: But this is actually really pivotal.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: I graduated in 09.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: So that was the time of the recession.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: So actually no one was.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: So talk about another hurdle, massive hurdle.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I came back to LA with a degree and then remember my plan was I'm going to figure it out and I get home and nobody is hiring, not even Starbucks, not even a bagger at our grocery store.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: They weren't hiring anyone because of how tough it was.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: So it's a great question, but at that time none of that applied.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Everything was out the window.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: It was like, just get anything at this point that's going to just make you some money and get you experience so you can put it on your resume.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: So now I'm back in fight or flight.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: I'm back at the bottom trying to claw my way back up, and the influence didn't start till after the market started getting back up.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I worked in sales and that's kind of how I worked my way through really finding that influence.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And what was the hardest part for you during that period?
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Because you'd just come from college, div one top of what you wanted to do.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: How was that period for you?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's like you're grieving the loss of a person that you used to be, but I think also at that age you don't know how to identify what that feeling is.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: I was also coming back home to again remember.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: My parents are Filipino and Mexican.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: It's very strict.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I'm coming home from being gone for four years and now I'm having to adjust to their rules under their house.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: So there's that component.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And then there's me grieving my sports career.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Will I ever go back?
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Can I go back?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Is there a way?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: And then there's what the heck am I going to do?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: How am I going to make money?
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: How am I going to make sense of what I just from 10 years old to 21,?
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: How am I going to make sense of this?
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: Now In your brain you try to tell yourself I have to do it now so that I can prove everybody Like you're telling this narrative, like I have to prove why I left.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: And now I'm back and I don't have anything.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I was going through a lot.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: There was a lot of just really unresolved.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: It's really tough to even put into words and when we work with athletes in postseason, we almost kind of have the same moment.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They're like oh no one's really asked me this.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Wow, I don't know how to answer this.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Everyone kind of gets to that moment.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: So there are a lot of mixed feelings that were happening during that time period and we call that first year out.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And the first year out is mainly also like one to three years of kind of like feeling isolated, don't know who you are.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: No identity like.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Self-identity is like who, what, where.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: You're missing your team, you're missing the resources, your routine, your routine.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: I was like OK, monday, wednesday, friday, you're here, tuesday, thursday, you're here.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: You're kind of now it's on you to do that, to figure that out.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, at least we have that sense.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: It's on you, by yourself, and we're quite unique, and this is, you know, this is really why we're having this conversation.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: This is what this, this podcast, is about, is letting athletes listen to that story or the story from someone else and think, oh, these are the little bits that I might resonate with and and help reset in some respects.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: And I mean, we're here, you know, with the beauty and luxury of time to be able to look back and recognize, hey, this was the period I was in.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: What happened next?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: How did those influences start to come into your life and start moving you towards the point where you are today?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: No, that's another great question.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: You know, there you have to lean on.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: I just leaned on being an athlete.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Again I said, okay, I don't know this, I don't know that, but what I do know is know how to be an athlete.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: And so what are those things that I did to get to university?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: What did I do?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And now I need to replicate that in this instance.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: So I went actually back to coach.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: I coached at a school called Sierra Canyon High School.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I coached middle school and helped on their high school team and then from there I got a club job.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I said, let me just go back to my roots, let me kind of just figure it out there, and I don't think I'll ever coach again.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: But it really helped me define like kind of it defined a path.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Like I want to be in entertainment, I want to be in media, cause that was all the parents actually that of the kids that I coached were working in something like that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I'm going to leverage this opportunity to network with the parents and really just just I get to spend all this time with them every weekend, so why not sit there and talk to them, bend their ear?
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: I have the time I spent a lot of time also training their kids one-on-one, and so through that, a lot of them also were very keen on helping me.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: They were like you've got good energy, you've got good business sense.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: And again, the social media stuff was really popping off everywhere and I was so drawn to it.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like how do I learn skills?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I was like, if you have a sports brand or a fitness brand, why are you not promoting that on social media?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: That was something that I was thinking.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: So there were a lot of different little opportunities that kept popping up of trying to help someone actually set up their Facebook account.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Some people had no idea and I was like, oh, that's easy, boop, boop, boop Done.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you can then post this and this and this.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And they're like wow, that's a great idea.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: So it was just a culmination of different places where I was.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I put myself in a situation I said, okay, I'm going to be here for a bit, I'm going to work on it, but from here I need to start being aware of, like, what opportunities and what influences I can find that I feel like I'm literally drawn to and I'm just going to go with that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And so from there, just I remember, I kept applying for different jobs.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I said I want to work in sports media.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: How do I do that?
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And I, I can't tell you how many coffees I've had or phone calls I've had with people of like how do I do this?
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: How was your intake during that period?
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: So many moments like can I please, you know, just want to shadow you at work or can I intern for free?
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I've said that so many times and that's that goes back to when you know you're getting recruited.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: You have to send out your tape, you have to send out emails, you have to keep knocking on doors to coaches to get them to see you, and so I just remembered doing that.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I said I'm going to do that in this space, but I'm going to take a different approach.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: I think when people meet me, they like me.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think I'm very personable, I work really hard and, you know, something worked out.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: I ended up getting a job at a media buying agency and unfortunately I really liked it there.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I was there for a year but unfortunately they went under.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: But through that job, one of our customers was Fox Sports and so I reached out and he loved working with me and he said hey, send me your resume.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm going to walk it over to the marketing department.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: They may have something no promises, but we'll see.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: A week later I get a call.
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: They're interviewing me.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sitting in the Fox Sports offices of the regional network and and I ended up getting the job and so my first job into the industry of couldn't be the most perfect job at the time as a marketing coordinator.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It happened, but it took three years I would say after graduating and adding that other layer of the recession to really get to that point.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But it's taking that mentality right Of knocking on the doors, doing the work when no one's looking, doing the things people don't want to do, doing it in a unique way to stand out.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Remember again, I'm 5'4", right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So how did I get recruited?
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I had to jump out the gym.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I had to make sure I sent my weightlifting tapes show them how athletic I was.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I ran track, I played basketball.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So I had to do that same thing in my career after sports to even just get a look, and it worked pick, because that's just brilliant.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: The first bit that resonates me with that is actually, when you're at the point where you didn't know what to do, you found a comfort place, you found a happy place and that was in the gym, in in the, you know, with the team, and you went coaching where you knew you had a talent and you could.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: You could move people on, you could give them your skills, and what's beautiful about that is from there you recognized well, you could speak to the parents and you got that influence from the parents and you could talk to them because you established you established a relationship of trust.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They they thought you were great and I love the way you said then they recognized your energy, they recognized your work ethic and you then help them with simple things opening up a Facebook account, doing bits like that.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That gained trust, that demonstrated that you could do these certain things.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: So next thing, they were super happy to support you in whatever came next and I love that.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: That's such a great breakdown of hey, here's a way of actually breaking into an industry Do what you're good at make friends with the parents.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Very non-traditional way, right, you look at these movies, you look at these.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: You know New York high rises and people in suits walking up there and they would never.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, I have a lot of friends in the legal industry and, like Francis, I would never do something like that.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: That's just not, you don't do that Like.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, why not?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And they're like it, just it's frowned upon.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: I said, you know it's different industries, right, very, very different.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely had to figure it out again.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Lean back on your athletic.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: You know your athlete career had to do something.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: But you did it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It was still done in a genuine way, in a way that's authentic, because you're doing something you love, you're imparting that information, and so it builds trust.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And it builds trust to say, hey, you know what, Francis, someone like you I would definitely introduce you to somebody over there who does this type of work Absolutely fine and that, as you described, is that's really what we do off the court in our professional careers here.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: That network is about building trust and advocating for one another.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: You demonstrated that.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Getting you to that that pretty awesome role yeah it's important too.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think when anyone goes back to coach, um, they need to remember for me personally, I wouldn't be here without my coaches.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I was a player that just I was was in for better, for worse, or however anyone wants to describe it but I would always ask a lot of questions.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: My parents didn't have all the answers, again.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: They've never my mom played in high school, but I mean not even to this level at all and so they're like just go talk to your coach, go talk.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: They would always just say go talk to them, go talk to them, go talk to them.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: And if you don't ask, you're never going to know, right?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: So I remember the them being so.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I've had some great coaches.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I've had some some coaches that I remember.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: If I was ever going to coach again, I wanted to make sure again, that impact Right, the way that that girl from UCLA made me feel when I watched her play and when she signed my shirt and everything.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I wanted to give that back and I always, anytime it's and it's someone's child, right, it's someone.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: They're putting their trust in you to to care for the most important thing in their life.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I want to make sure that they leave with a great memory.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that you also learn as a player, being a coach, and you're like, oh, that's why my coach did that, that's why so, whether I don't I coach or not, ever again.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: It was a really good reflection tool and a point in my pivot in life to do, and so I actually encourage a lot of athletes when they don't feel they don't know where they're going, so just go back to where it started.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: If it's two months, a year, six months, just go back and then you'll get some inspiration.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: I said kind of sounds corny and weird, but I tell you, every time I kind of feel a little lost, I kind of go back and I'll mentor a girl or pull a girl to the side, or, you know, tell me what's up, what's going on, let's talk about it.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: And then it's almost a mirror for me too, because I'm advising, but it's like, hey, are you doing these things?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Are you checking in with yourself?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's really sound.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It's sound and it makes absolute sense to go and do that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: And there you speak about that spark of inspiration for those who you would be coaching.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: So today you're running an awesome venture, and I'm curious, then, as to what was the spark, what was the meeting moment, what was that moment that really came out and started to you to move you on this path?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: now, At the height of the pandemic.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: So the founder of Postseason his name is Jelani Jenkins.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: He's an NFL four-year veteran, five-year veteran.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: He's retired now.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: He actually founded postseason in 2021.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: After his career in American football, he went through what we all know as the loss period.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: He couldn't figure it out and was smoking marijuana, sitting on the couch playing video games, just really stuck in this moment and just couldn't get out of it.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And I we use this as part of our pitch.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: His wife actually took a photo of him playing video games and there's a bong and it's just a mess everywhere.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And she gave him the Polaroid picture and he looked at it and he's like damn, like I need to do something, I need to change.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: This isn't me.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And he started to really work on self-identity and self-discovery.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: So he took a lot of courses, went to conferences and birthed this incredible idea.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: He's like what if I created a platform that was going to be able to teach athletes, give them a roadmap, but also not just my roadmap I get to invite other people from other athletes that are retired or whatnot, to share their roadmap on my platform.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And so their birth post-season.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I had actually met him through a mutual friend.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: We went to Jamaica to teach a sports camp.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I got invited to coach.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: We got put in the same pod of coaching.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: His wife was there, so we were 10 days together.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Now we're like best friends, right.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: But fast forward to the pandemic.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I had a realization moment.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I was actually I thrived in the pandemic was used to working remote because I freelanced quite a bit and once everything shut down, they were hiring a lot of my position remote.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: So like, oh, I'm killing it, this is great.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: But and then I also decided to get my master's in business because I realized I don't want to just be a social media manager anymore.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to just be someone that's on the ground and I'm getting older.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I'm like I need to.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I want to hold position in higher and higher roles.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: So I decided to get my master's in business at Pepperdine.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: So within that moment I'm like, okay, but what is next?
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: What really is next?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And I had this.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I saw this one of my friends from high school.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: She runs a podcast called Good Moms, bad Choices, and they were hosting retreats for moms, single moms that just needed to get away and like be themselves, and I thought I was like, wow, that's really cool, like it's a safe space, it's a beautiful location.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I was like why don't we have this for, like my female athlete friends, why don't we do this?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: We could work out, compete, have fun, like this is great, like where, who's doing this?
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: And then Jelani had posted he launched post-season and I was like what if I reached out to him?
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: But then I was like, ah, he's probably like we haven't been years.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Then since the camp, I hadn't talked to him and so I kind of let that sit.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: And I actually went to a coffee shop to meet up with a friend and he actually walks in and I'm like I think that's Jelani.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: And I was like, but we're all wearing masks.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like she's like go say good.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Like say hi, you guys are friends.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Like talk to him about.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: And I had just told her what I wanted to do and I let it go.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: But later I actually messaged him.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I said, hey, bro, like I hope all is well.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I thought I saw you at this coffee shop, was that you?
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: He's like yeah, I was like listen, I love what you're doing with post-season.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Any way that I can help, I'm in.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: You got me, let me know.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: And a few months later I just was a small role on the growth team.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: We were going to launch a podcast called the next play mentality.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And then I start, of course, because I'm just me started raising my hand a lot like, okay, can I get more involved in the product, can I get?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: So I'm here having a full-time job getting my master's and then now side hustling with this startup.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: And everyone knows, with a startup, there's ebbs and flows.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: People leave, there's pivots within the roadmap and it ended up being really last two standing and we had two other folks that were with us but really that were really driving this vehicle was really us two left.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: And so, with all the work that you know I got to do, he was like all right, you're going to be chief growth officer.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And and then recently, just last November, he let me know he was like you're going to be my co-founder, that I've been the person I've been been looking for, and so the rest is history, and here we are building, building something that I could not even imagine, that I I couldn't imagine a more perfect role for me.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: From.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: You know the journey.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, in some respects you talk there and it's like that's like the what do you call it?
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: The prologue.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: That sounds like that introduction towards this next great chapter.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And here, you know, we're talking about this athlete transition and how we move from athlete into that corporate world.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: And right now, this is that next shift for you moving from freelancing corporate to, okay, you're co-founder, you are a growth engine.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Now, to what extent have you recognized that this is another transition for you?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: You know, Ryan, I think we forget there's never a nonstop of transitioning.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Everything's always a transition, whether people want to recognize it or not, or people avoid it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: But this definitely is a transition for me, because I'm so also used to being behind the scenes.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I'm also used to being part one of many working on a team of folks and have someone lead.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That's also been my role on the team on when I played volleyball.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I was a utility player.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I was comfortable with that.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like okay, put me anywhere, I'm good.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: But now it's Francis, you need to lead and you need to help move this forward, because I can't do it by myself.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Being called to do that is there's actually no words for that.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It's just like, okay, let's go.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: So what have you done to cope with that?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Looking back at all of the challenges and things that I've faced at the corporate level.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Again, like I said, it was a dream job, but everything has a price.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I dealt with gender inequities, situations, racial things there's all the things that you hear that happen and that was within sports world.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: We were carving out spaces for people of color, for women.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: So I remember those moments and say, okay, I don't want to go back there and I want to create something where that doesn't happen.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: So I have this opportunity in my hand and so many days, him and I both like, we just like, oh, like we do want to give up because some of this stuff is so hard.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: It's really hard.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: It's like it's out of your control at some point sometimes and you're just like we just did all the things.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: But then now here's this hurdle and you're like it is what it is.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: And how I cope is I just remember all of those challenging moments that I went through.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go back and now I get to also now change course, so I kind of flip it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: I cope with by saying, like flipping it to this is an opportunity, this is an opportunity to step up.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: You're not going to get this chance again, so you better take it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: The self-talk right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, and the self-talk is key.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: It really is.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: You know, when you look back then and you think of sort of mini you, francis coming or young you coming, and asking yourself as a role model, what can you do best to help with that transition, find that second wind, you know, move into that sort of post-season phase, what guidance do you give?
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I would tell myself don't take everything seriously, but take how you feel seriously.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of times as athletes we're like okay, I'm fine, I'm good, next play, next play.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: But when it's a matter of the heart and it's outside of the court, it's really.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think we need to be super tough, and Jelani and I are really big on empathy and we're really big on being who you are, where you are and we'll meet you where you're at.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: So and that's the only way I think we're going to be able to crack that, that code.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So for me, I would tell my younger self, like don't take things so seriously, but take it seriously.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: And I, what I mean by that is like you know, not everything's going to go your way, but you just you're totally capable of doing anything you possibly can.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: If you do take that seriously.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: If I wanted this role, I can get this role, but there's always going to be people in the background saying you know this, or yourself telling you I I don't know if I can go up on stage and pitch in front of VCs and be in a room networking asking for a million dollars, like that's lucrative, but you can and people do.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: So.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That's one thing I would tell my younger self in the transition period ask for help.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I think I did that really well, but there's never.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of people that isolate to the point where they you don't hear.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I there are some friends that I hadn't heard from for 10 years and then they just popped up and that makes me sad to hear that.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: They felt that they nobody could understand with what they're going through.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: So always ask for help and be there.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Is someone there for you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of actually you know finding out that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So those are a couple of things I would say for sure.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks for that, frances.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's brilliant and I like that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I like the being aware of your emotions and not brushing them under the carpet but actually facing into it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it will be okay, but recognize your emotions and actually perhaps use it to fuel you moving forwards, and I think that you know that's, that's great advice or great guidance for someone who's stepping into that transition period and you know, I'd probably add to really to that.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: That second point around self-isolating is for those listening and for those who are sort of aware, is actually to reach out to those former teammates or for that athlete who you know you haven't heard from for a while, and just reach out to them and let them know hey, I'm going through it too.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: Come join me, let's go grab a coffee and just maybe have that conversation.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent and a hundred percent it just takes that ask you know, are you okay?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: And you know the answer.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, without even it's kind of rhetorical right, you know they're not because you haven't heard from them.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, being aware of your, your teammates, yeah, that actually that would be, I agree.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I would say that I think for women, again, like I said, our transition starts so much earlier.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: So I think that when we do leave the sport, we're already moving on to other things.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: But we we forget, like also there's other transitions becoming a mother, becoming a spouse, becoming partner at your law firm, like there are a lot of transitions.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And so checking back in, using that, that bond of sport, even if it's just like hey, I'm thinking about you, I'm here if you need me, goes a long way, I think.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And I encourage other athletes to not don't just leave your teammates with your grief of sport.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Take them out of it and just keep them in mind.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You don't have to be besties with them, but check on them every once in a while.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: It's definitely needed, for sure.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Thanks, Frances.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I've loved this conversation and there are going to be people who will want to follow your story or reach out.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: What's the best way for them to follow you and get in contact?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: You can find us on our website, wwwpostseasonappcom.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I'm on LinkedIn and it's Francis Garcia.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: It's F-R-A-N-C-E-S, so if you type in I-S, which is what people normally do, you won't find me.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: You can you know, that will pop up.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: I'm also on Instagram.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: It's at Francis live again F R A N C E S L I V, as in Victor E, and we're also on post seasons, also on Instagram as well.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: But just Google us, you'll, we'll pop up and and we're here for you.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Beautiful Francis.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much for being on the show today.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, ryan, for having me.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: This was fun, super appreciate it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the Second Wind podcast.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed hearing insights from today's athlete on transitioning out of competitive careers.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: If you're looking for career clarity for your next step, make sure you check out secondwindio for more information or to book a consultation with me.
• 43:01
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• 43:10
  Speaker 1: That's all from me.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Take it easy until next time.