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EP12 - Where's My Hammer? Special Guest - Jeff Hoxie · Oh And One More Thing

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Oh, and one more thing. Hey, I'm Rob, welcome to 011
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more thing. Hey, I'm Brian.
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Today is a very special day here at 011 more thing.
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We've got our very first guest. Who is it?
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It's our good buddy Jeff Hoxie. Hi, everybody.
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Hey, Jeff, what is going on? Hey.
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Thanks for having me, happy to be here.
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Thanks. We're super excited.
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We are. Excited.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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We haven't had a guest before. I'm your first one.
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You are the first one, Jeff. You'll always be my first one.
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Always so memorable, I'm sure. So Jeff is our friend at coffee
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every Tuesday that hangs out with us.
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Yes, yes. And what do we know about
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coffee, Jeff? I think your wife and your kids
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call it something funny. Well, they call it, Are you
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going to Old Man coffee? That's what they call Old Man
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Coffee. My family call it dude dates.
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Dude, dates. That's a good one, yeah.
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Yeah, my wife tries to call the coffee.
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Clutch. I'm not, but coffee clutch is
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really. Old, I know.
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But I wouldn't say it's a clutch, right?
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Right. Yeah, plays into my age group,
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not yours. We're also not old either, so I
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don't think it really. Well, you're young.
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Well, yeah, you're young, but so I'm super excited cause yeah, if
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you start each episode off with a joke and Jeff's here and I can
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tell a sports joke cause Brian. I I love sports.
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No, you don't. Sports.
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Yeah. Was I not watching The Wild the
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other day? Well.
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You did, but you didn't really have much of A choice 'cause it
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was. That it was on and I who?
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Was on last night. The Wild.
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Not quite, Not quite. Yeah.
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So the Timberwolves were on last night and unfortunately they got
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bounced from the Western Conference Finals.
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So you know. Tear, tear.
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So all all four of the major men's sports teams got together
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afterwards and had a beer. And, you know, so it's the Twins
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and the Wolves and the Vikings and and, and the Wild and and
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the the Twins are like, guys, come on.
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I mean, it's been 30 plus years. Somebody else has to win a
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championship in this town. It's been forever.
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And the Vikings like, OK, yeah, we get it.
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But we're trying. We we've been at least been to
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four Super Bowls and we've won some some championship, some
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conference championships, you know, over the years.
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And the Wolves are like, yeah, you know, we've won three
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Western or been in three Western Conference championships, been
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in the last few. Yeah.
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So that's been great. And the wild kind of look a
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little confused and said, wait, you guys get out of the first
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round? Oh, see, Jeff gets that Jeff.
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Gets that I'm a little. Yeah, they how many years has it
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been? A long time. 30 plus it's been
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oh. No, yeah, I know.
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US diehards over here. Right, right.
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So just to give you the guys a little bit background, Jeff is
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the owner and general contractor of a company called Hoxie
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Holmes, his company. And so we wanted to give you
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just a background a little bit here before we jump into
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interviewing this guy. Established in 2006 by Jeff, he
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is a premier custom home builder and remodeler.
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Jeff and his team focus on understanding each client's
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specific project requirements. Their dedication to high quality
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craftsmanship and meticulous attention to detail builds trust
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and ensures an exceptional client experience.
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Hoxie Holmes is committed to integrity, honesty, and superior
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quality in every project, reflecting their lasting legacy.
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Jeff, is that true? Man.
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I took it. Right from you, maybe.
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Yeah, you. Did I did.
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No way it. Says it on there.
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That's a lot of pressure, right? It's a lot to live up to.
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Every day. I don't think I can do that
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every day. Come on now, people are
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listening. I know I would say I'd like to
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try, but there's a lot of things that go on that I can't control.
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But we're going to go on and say that you do.
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I do. Let's go with it.
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So what do you as as a consumer and from your end, what do you
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look for in a contractor, good and bad?
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What do I look for in a contractor?
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Well, I mean, if I were, you know, going to hire somebody
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such as yourself, we'll get into that later.
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What would you look for? I think it starts with a good
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relationship, a communication style that you relate with and
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can, you know, exchange pros and cons and what you're looking
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for. Honesty is a big one.
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Transparency is a big one, right, Because we're going to
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work together for anywhere from weeks to months to years,
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potentially decides on the project years, yes.
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Some projects take years. Wow.
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They can be challenging, but also I would imagine, yeah.
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So honesty, good communication I would say is probably the number
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one thing start to finish for any project, any contractor.
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OK, so we thought that it could help our listeners and us to
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learn a little bit more about the world of construction.
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I don't know too much about about it.
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Do you Rob? Well, I didn't until about two
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months ago. So I'm I hired my good friend
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Jeff to help us put an addition and a porch on our house.
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Why yes, you did. Thank you.
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Yeah, it's a lovely porch. It is a beautiful porch.
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It is a lovely porch. And it's funny, before we
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started this process, we actually had this conversation
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and Jeff was saying about how the process works and how we
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kind of get your ideas and go back and forth and like, Nah, we
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know exactly what we want. It'll be easy.
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Piece of cake. And swear to God, we made about
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15 changes for we. Oh.
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For sure, everybody does. Like, you had this idea of what
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you want, right? But then if you go on the
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Internet or you go to these showrooms, you start looking.
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I mean, the options are endless. Yeah.
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And they don't always tell you what the price is.
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Then you have to figure out what it costs, and then does it fit
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your budget? And then you're reworking at 123
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or 10 times, right? And it was good too, because you
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obviously have done this a lot longer and saw a lot of things.
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We didn't even think of that. What do you think about this?
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What do you think about that? And that was a huge help to us
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to get some insight as far as kind of I think you had a good
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idea where we wanted to go and you helped us fine tune it.
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Good. And that's our goal, right, as
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we're trying to get you the best product, the best outcome that
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works for you. Now, everybody is different.
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What they want is different. Yeah, you're right.
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We've done this a long time. So you're trying to figure out
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along the way of where you want to end up, what your budget is
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and lead you there. Yeah, but I miss things too,
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right. I mean, there, as you noticed,
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there is dozens upon dozens or hundreds of decisions to make,
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yeah. And even we just did a, a three
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season porch and a deck and it was amazing how many people are
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involved in every day. I mean, there's one day, I think
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we had six different contracting groups here trying to get things
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done. I think to me that's the biggest
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surprise almost was how you manage that calendar and that
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schedule as a coordinating all that, that.
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I mean it has to be a full time 100.
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Percent full time job for someone person when I started
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this many years ago is people would do more than one task,
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right? Right.
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You would maybe do framing, trimming, siding, roofing.
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One guy would do all of that. Well, in the last 20 years it's
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become very specialized where you do one skill, you have a
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roofer, you have a drywall guy, you have a siding guy, trim
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Carpenter, right. So as the general contractor,
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we're bringing all these people in, all these different
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companies working with their employees.
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I would think it's a little boring to do the same task all
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the time, where you before you do all these versions, all these
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different types of tasks. So your day was very
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interesting. That's why I'm the general
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contractor, because I get to see all the different pieces, right?
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I could not be the guy who does one thing every single day,
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right? There's no way.
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So I just pound a nail in, that's all I do 11.
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I go to job site. I pound in one nail.
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You do? Yeah, I'm kidding.
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What? What tool do you use to pound
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that nail? Hammer you.
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Do know a couple things? Well, the name of this episode
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is Where's My Hammer? Yeah, you remember that story.
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Yeah, but we don't have to tell that specific story.
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You can embellish if you need to.
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Well, I don't want to embellish because it's pretty true.
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We'll get to that in a minute. So before we deep dive into the
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construction world, can we talk a little bit about the time you
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were on TV at one point in your life?
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Yeah, I did. I did my research.
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I did some YouTube viewing and it was, I originally thought it
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was HDTV. It's not.
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It's Destination America slash Discovery Channel.
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Oh yeah, it was HDTV. As well.
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Yeah, we did a little 6 little episode show called King of
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Thrones back in 2013. And weren't you one of the main
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contractors on that? Yeah, I might have been.
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You might have been. I might have been one of those
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guys. Mm hmm.
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So I, I, I think King of Thrones is pretty obvious what you did
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on that show. Yeah, yeah, there was a slogan.
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How did it go? Something about we're #1 when it
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comes to #2. Yeah, I saw a clip of that.
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I think I I saw that play. Yeah, there was a promotion that
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actually mailed us I think a magnet and on that magnet on my
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fridge said I'm number one at #2 or something like that.
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That's awesome. Can I get a copy of that magnet?
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It's around somewhere. I also got like a little King of
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Thrones toilet because this whole thing came about.
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Game of Thrones was a big deal then.
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Yeah. And they were trying to play off
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of that. That's why it was called King of
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Thrones. Gotcha.
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And how did they contact you to be the contractor in on TV?
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So they found us actually because I was working on a
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different TV show called Bath Crashers.
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You've. Been on a You've been on TV?
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I used. To watch bath crashers all the
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time with Matt Monster. Yeah.
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Yes. So I was a contractor on there,
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so you didn't see us a whole lot more in the background and we
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managed it and made it happen. But yeah.
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Matt Minster. Minster.
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Yes, yeah. Oh, that's funny.
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So that's how I got my start. And then they somehow somebody
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got my name through that and we got interviewed.
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Someone flew out from New York to interview Dave and I.
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So why aren't you on Rock the Block right now?
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Because those are for the designers, the head people.
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I wasn't the head guy. Not till King of Thrones that I
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get to be the head guy. I want to see you back on TV.
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He's got the face for it. Oh, definitely, definitely.
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You think so? Oh yeah.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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I only got one season and then that was it.
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So who's who's your son? Did it get canned?
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Very. Funny it did.
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My sidekick was Dave. So Dave was an employee of mine
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at the time. And when they came out to
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interview us, funny enough, they interviewed Dave and I, my wife,
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all the contractors. We worked with some friends
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trying to just gauge who they were gonna have on the show.
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Because at that time, I think the producer was someone who
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also came from the TV show called Tanked.
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OK. Didn't they make like fancy
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aquariums? Yeah, that sounds familiar.
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I think so they were trying to again similar idea but along the
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bathroom lines. That's awesome.
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Where did you where? Did you film in the Twin Cities
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here? We filmed in the Twin Cities.
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Yep, they found, you know, houses to work at.
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I had nothing to do with that. We would just show up and.
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Show up. OK, so you had no like to pick
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the people and what they wanted to do and all that.
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You had nothing with any of that.
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They want to do things unique and different.
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So like we did an outhouse once we did.
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Oh really? Yep, we did.
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Like a a wood bathroom or like a cabin bathroom We did.
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That's the one that I downloaded.
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Is it? It's on my computer.
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I watch it every day. Every day do.
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I put you to sleep at night. It helps me sleep.
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Identified you can purchase those still they're they're buck
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15 episodes, so for $9 we could have your entire series.
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No way. I don't I think it's worth.
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Play them back-to-back. I want to see them because 2013
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a few years ago, yeah, pretty sure I was a little bit heavier.
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Then you've lost some weight since then, yeah.
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Yes, you have not. Surprised by that.
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I'd love to show my kids. Oh yeah.
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I can send you the clip I got. Do that.
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Yeah, there's one with Dave and a body dryer.
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Haven't seen that one. That's no.
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OK, Dave and a body dryer. There's also urinal.
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You can play video games as you urinate.
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We did that one in the shop. There's some great stuff from
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that. So you either got urinate a long
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time to play the game or they're very short games.
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Yeah, I don't remember that, but.
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Sometimes I urinate pretty long, right?
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Right. So we're thinking about doing a
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little question answer session here, and wherever it goes, it's
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fine by us. OK with you.
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OK. I mean, yeah, you ask away.
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First question. Let me hear it.
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Are there really ever any bad ideas in your line of work?
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Is that kind of like? Is there a dumb question?
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No questions are dumb. Questions are dumb.
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But I would argue that, well, my wife taught me that that there
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are some dumb questions in our line of work.
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Everything is really what the owner wants, right?
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I will try to maybe give my opinion, but it comes down to
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the way you live in your home. So bad idea, No.
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OK, OK, We can do anything you want.
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OK, do you ever do some ideas that people insist on and you
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just think you're kind of a moron?
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All the time. No, I shouldn't tell you.
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Yeah, we definitely do. Yeah, we will.
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Again, from my standpoint, it's a functionality and a longevity
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and a maintenance thing, right? Yeah.
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If you're going to have problems with those three, I'm going to
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try to persuade you against it. But if you take that
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responsibility, you live there. You want to deal with it, right?
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Fine. How about if it's structural?
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It's different structural. No, we have to warranty that per
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state mandate for 10 years and it's a little more severe.
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So no, if there's a question on structure, you involve an
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engineer. And then again, there's always a
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way to do it. And then they're talked out of
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it. They're talked out of it due to
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money, never because of anything else, right?
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It always comes down to money. OK, so what's the worst kind of
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construction job for you? One with low ceilings.
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I don't know if we mentioned this earlier, but just very
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tall. No, there's no bad construction
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job. Again to the point earlier of 1
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task day in and day out. I don't like it, never have.
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I love a variety so I would do anything and everything.
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Gotcha. I like the bigger ones.
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I mean they're more appealing right?
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They take longer. Sometimes the jobs that take two
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weeks are really hard. Crunch timetable?
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Sure. As soon as one thing goes wrong,
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everything blows up. Do you normally focus on larger
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like full home builds and remodels as opposed to like what
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you did for us, just like a addition?
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We have a good mix. Prior to the recession of O8O9,
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we did only new homes. And then since then, it's sort
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of been a good mix of everything, right?
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Smaller jobs fill a void. Yeah.
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You know, when you're building a house and some of these houses
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will take a year or two, it's nice to just go somewhere for a
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month or two and do a job getting it out, Right.
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Right. Some of it is just people, like
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I like to work for good people. Yeah.
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Where do you find all your contractors?
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Contractors have had for a long time, most of them.
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I mean, we have a core group we use.
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We don't really skew from that much.
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On occasion people will recommend someone, we'll try
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them. Or like, say I do a job for Joe
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down the street and he's like, hey, my buddy is a Carpenter,
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can we use him? We'll try him out.
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If it works really well, we might hire them again.
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But the most part, we've had the same guys for many, many years.
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That makes it a lot easier than you guys you know, trust and
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career can rely on. You can rely on them.
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You know how they work, you know how they operate.
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You know that hey, this call, I, this guy I have to call once a
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week to remind him to be here in July.
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This guy I don't have to remind at all.
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Like you understand how each other works.
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Right. Which helps speed things along
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once you actually start construction.
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Sure you ever found anything inside a wall?
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Oh yeah, all the time. Unexpected, I should say.
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Yeah, like what? Like what's what's the most
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outrageous thing you've? Nothing outrageous inside a
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wall. I mean, you find like, old
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cigarette packages or beer cans from when the house was maybe
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constructed originally, that the the time to throw things in
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there. Yeah.
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So like a lot of old lunch bags. OK, right.
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Because all contractors eat lunch out of their lunch box.
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So you'll find old Pepsi cans, right?
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Whatever. Right.
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Really. Walls.
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Oh yeah, no time capsules. No time capsules, never found
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one of those. We're actually doing a job right
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now. Rumor is there's one buried in
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the backyard. We haven't found it yet, so
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maybe tomorrow when the excavator is back, we will find
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it. That'd be fun.
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That would be cool. Didn't you tell me at coffee
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that you found a? Pool.
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We did find a pool, you're right.
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A few weeks ago we were doing a job in Wayzata looking to expand
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their basement. And then two feet outside the
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basement wall, the excavator was digging and lo and behold, there
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was a pool. You're right.
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I. Didn't forget about that and
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they didn't know about it, right?
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The homeowners had a night. There was new homeowners that
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purchased the house in the last 10 years and they had heard
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rumors from neighbors that at one time that house had a pool.
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OK, But everybody assumed it was just, you know, ripped up, torn
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away, hauled away. Nobody realized it was just two
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feet away, filled in, filled in with sand and then covered with
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grass. Wow.
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So these lucky homeowners got to spend 10 grand to remove it,
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right? How did it not like cave in or
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whatever over the years? I mean, my gosh.
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Well, they filled it with sand so it could that's true.
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And it's all, it was all concrete like it was custom
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built rebar concrete lined so and.
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They just didn't want it and just buried.
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It just buried it. Wow.
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Well. Pools are a lot of work.
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They're a ton of work. Reminds me of another house and
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Edina. We did.
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We tore a house down to build a new one.
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Well when we tore the house down we found what the owner was.
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The 11 man owner lived there for 50 some years.
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Turns out he'd walk out the back bedroom window and throw his
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garbage down the hill. No.
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Turns out he like built up the hill over 50 years and we found
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a giant pile of garbage. Oh wow.
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It's like personal little landfill landfill.
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Little landfill? That's awesome.
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So what's the weirdest reason someone has called you for a
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job? I don't can't think of anything
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that's been weird. I mean add this, add that it's
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all home. We do mainly residential work, a
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little bit of commercial. So I guess nothing is sticks
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out. That's strange.
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OK. I mean, it's all, where do I
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live, where do I cook, where do I go to the bathroom #1 and #2
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you know, like. Nobody's asking you where it's
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to build some weird shrine or secret room or something like
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that. No shrines?
19:20
We do. Secret rooms?
19:21
Sure. Tell us about the secret rooms.
19:23
They're not all that exciting to know.
19:24
Like usually it's like I'm going to hide my kids stuff behind
19:28
this door and I'm going to make it look like a bookcase.
19:31
And you open it up and it's a kids room.
19:32
It's a kids room. We did one.
19:35
It was a guy's office, so you won't know it's there now what
19:39
he keep. The problem is, I don't know
19:40
what he keeps in there after we're done, right?
19:42
How about a safe room with reinforced walls?
19:46
Yep, we've done safes. We had a guy who somehow
19:50
acquired an old bank vault door. That's awesome.
19:54
And so we turned it into his gun safe in the basement.
19:56
It was like 10 by 10 room. And then we used that vault door
20:01
for his entrance. It was all winding concrete, so
20:03
he was worried about people. He had a big gun collection,
20:06
right? So that was protected.
20:08
That's definitely protected. No panic rooms, nothing crazy
20:12
like that. I'm sure they're out there,
20:13
right? Maybe not here in Minnesota.
20:16
I'm sure there you see some houses around here, there's some
20:18
crazy stuff going on. Do you have a collection of lost
20:22
tools you're secretly hoarding? I have a collection of lost
20:24
tools, sure. I wouldn't say I secretly
20:26
hoarded them. I mean, if you want some, Brian,
20:28
do you need some? Tools.
20:29
I do. Some tools.
20:29
I do need tools. I need a hammer.
20:32
But I think you had told me you collect a lot of supplies,
20:36
leftover supplies, and they all kind of hold up in your garage.
20:39
Well, supplies different than tools, sure.
20:42
I have a problem where I don't want to throw good things away
20:46
and a lot of stuff we do there's so say like in my kitchen I have
20:50
an A dishwasher and we took out of someone's home.
20:53
It was 2 years old so new I would call it new enough or it
20:57
works. So I took it and put it in my
20:58
house right. It was better than the 1 I had
21:00
right? I have doors, light fixtures,
21:02
trim. I just retiled my whole shower
21:04
with leftover tile. So you're saying when you get
21:07
home from working all day on other job sites, you'd love to
21:09
come home and fix your? House I don't I don't love it at
21:11
all. This.
21:12
How is that battle for you remodel going for you?
21:15
It's never complete. I have stair balusters that have
21:20
been missing for like 6 years. Didn't you once have just a 5
21:24
gallon pill bucket in your kitchen just covering up some
21:28
some wiring or something like that?
21:29
Just stayed there for how many? Years.
21:31
A wire poking on the floor. Probably a couple years.
21:35
Didn't bother me any. Bothered your wife, my wife,
21:38
maybe my kids. Got used to it.
21:39
Yeah, I'm kind of the same way, though.
21:41
When I get home from work, the last thing I want to do is deal
21:43
with my yard. Oh totally.
21:45
Like I deal with it all day, all day.
21:46
Like I don't want to think about it.
21:48
If you could have any superpower on a job site, what would that
21:50
be? Oh, boy.
21:52
To be invisible. Invisible.
21:54
Yeah. That's one of my faves.
21:56
I want to be invisible but. For many, many.
21:58
Reasons. Let's let's explore some of
22:00
those reasons. No, I can just creep in on what
22:03
actually is going on because they always say right.
22:05
I mean, Rob is you're the boss. Like when the boss is around,
22:08
things are different. Things are different.
22:09
They sure when you're not OK. I'd like to think more gets done
22:13
when I'm there, but I actually wish it was the other way
22:16
around. More got done when I wasn't
22:17
there, right? So Speaking of that, what is the
22:20
most creative excuse you've ever heard for a project delay?
22:22
Oh, I've heard them all. My dog ate this, my wife did
22:26
that. I was late to school, my car
22:28
didn't start. You name it.
22:29
Yeah, I got 1 today. What was it?
22:32
I had to go get a tooth pulled. And that's why we had to have a
22:35
delay. That's why there was a delay.
22:37
This one guy had to get an emergency tooth pull.
22:40
Like what makes it an emergency? Right.
22:43
Like. You fell and broke your tooth.
22:45
Like does that really? Happen.
22:47
Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean it could, but
22:50
it can with big old gap in the front, right?
22:53
You get a lot of, oh, I'm sick. You get a lot of.
22:56
Somebody in my family died. Yeah.
22:59
I don't believe them. All right, right.
23:01
Like. I mean, just in our experience,
23:03
I mean, just for the past two months we've had, they scheduled
23:05
this day and then they got called to another site or a
23:07
couple guys couldn't come in for whatever reason, or it rained or
23:10
Oh yeah, I mean rain. Weather is one thing being a
23:13
general contractor, right? You're hiring subcontractors
23:15
right now. Subcontractors work for probably
23:18
anywhere from 12 to 24 contractors, right?
23:22
So who screams the most that night or the next day might pull
23:26
that subcontractor off your job to their job, right?
23:29
Because you're all trying to hit a deadline, right?
23:31
And that's all scheduling. Then then you have got to change
23:33
your schedule because your contractor didn't show up for
23:36
whatever reason. Yeah, there's a, there's a
23:38
critical. Path to this.
23:39
I mean at points when you start with excavation, you can't do
23:42
concrete till the hole is dug. You can't frame until the
23:45
concrete's done right? There's a linear path to some of
23:47
that once you get a house framed up.
23:49
Sure, you can throw plumbers, electricians, HVAC in at one
23:52
time with some coordination because they have to be in the
23:54
same room at the same time, right?
23:56
Then again, after drywall, it's like you can throw a bunch of
23:59
different guys in there in different rooms, different areas
24:01
to work, but you can't all be together on top of each other,
24:05
right? You're not doing drywall.
24:06
And flooring at the same time, correct?
24:08
There's just not enough space. Hey, I knew that.
24:12
Did you watch? That like Home Extreme Makeover
24:14
home show? Yeah, I did.
24:15
Where they build a house in seven days.
24:16
It's not true. It's not, I know, not much on.
24:19
TV is true. No, just have you ever tried to
24:22
explain construction terms to somebody that absolutely no
24:25
knowledge of what you're talking about all the time.
24:27
And how does that go? And we do it all the time and it
24:30
can go good and bad. A lot of times you have to like
24:33
be together on site, really show them, understand how it works.
24:37
You have to dumb it down. You dumb it down someone like
24:39
terms. You can't.
24:40
Use, right? I mean, that's same with
24:41
anybody's. I don't know what you even do
24:43
and how you would explain it to me.
24:45
I make things look pretty. It's dumb down there you go.
24:52
Easy enough, yeah. What is the What is the funniest
24:56
thing you've ever heard on a job site?
24:58
Oh, I probably can't repeat that.
25:00
Job sites can be pretty dirty. Oh yeah, like.
25:03
Yeah, construction guys. I mean, it's endless of your
25:07
Mama jokes, right? Really.
25:09
Your sister this and your daddy that.
25:12
Oh yeah, you got to take me to a job.
25:14
Site you should come. It's so.
25:15
Worth it if all construction. Tools suddenly developed
25:19
personalities. Which tool would be the most
25:21
dramatic? Huh.
25:24
Of all the tools you use, which one would be?
25:26
What kind of question is this? This is a crazy.
25:28
Question No shit from a graphic designer because I don't know
25:33
anything about construction. Tools don't have personalities
25:36
or anything. I don't know how to answer that.
25:39
All right. Well then we're just going.
25:40
To move on, because now you've let me down.
25:42
Read it one more time maybe. It'll come to me if.
25:45
Not Why not? If all construction tools
25:49
suddenly developed personalities, which tool would
25:53
be the most dramatic? Well, the hammer for sure.
25:57
Thank you. Is that?
25:58
What you were looking for I'm. Looking for the.
26:00
Hammer bring. The hammer.
26:02
Bring the hammer. Where's my hammer?
26:04
OK, so I I think we. Clearly need to explain the the
26:06
words. Yeah.
26:07
Where's my hammer? Yeah.
26:08
Well, I mean, it's not you, Rob. It's not you, Brian.
26:14
Where's my hammer? I learned this when I was young,
26:17
early on, on a job site, an old timer.
26:20
We were working together, building the house.
26:22
I don't remember what town we were in.
26:23
And he yells, Where's my hammer? And I looked around like.
26:27
It's in your belt, man, like it's right next to you.
26:29
You were young, right I. Was in my.
26:31
Early 20s, probably maybe even my teens at that point.
26:34
I don't remember. I'm like, hey, Bill, it's in
26:36
your pouch. Like it's what do you mean?
26:38
You're looking for your hammer? He's like, no, you dummy, come
26:41
here. Turns out that's code for Hey,
26:44
there's a hot chick walking by. You can't say hey, check out
26:48
the. Hot chick, you got to go where's
26:50
my hammer and everybody looks around and then everybody stops
26:53
what they're doing they look up they take in the scenery right
26:56
they take a quick you know, minute break sit down great so
27:00
like you want that to happen every day Jeff, you told me this
27:03
at. Coffee.
27:04
And you had said where's my hammer when a pretty young lady
27:07
walked in the door at the coffee shop and I'm like, what are you
27:09
talking about? And so he explained it to me.
27:12
And now, of course, do you. Have you ever?
27:14
Used it since, well, no I. Think about it.
27:18
But I've never. I think you should.
27:20
You should. When you're there next.
27:21
I'm going to Well, even when I'm not.
27:23
I mean, this is a secret all men should have.
27:25
Like maybe in a coffee shop. It's a little weird out for your
27:29
hammer. Yeah, but maybe you could come
27:31
up with another vernacular. Yeah, yeah, Alright.
27:34
But on construction site, everybody carries a hammer, so
27:37
it's right. It's perfect, I guess.
27:38
Also saying where's my? Coffee would be a little odd
27:40
when it's right in front of you. But maybe where's my Creamer?
27:43
Boom, boom, coming later. Sorry, sorry.
27:53
That was a great. That was great.
27:55
Thank you. That was great.
27:58
OK, so. What is your most epic Where's
28:00
my Hammer moment? Oh.
28:04
Well, there's been a lot of good ones.
28:05
We did a job down in Edina, OK, and it was right across from the
28:10
yoga studio. We didn't get a lot of work
28:13
done. No, there's a lot of.
28:15
Bottom pants going in and out. Yep, the other good one.
28:18
Is not so much where's my hammer?
28:19
But, like, when you're down there, you go take lunch around
28:22
Lake Calhoun. Yeah.
28:24
Check out the scenery. Yes.
28:25
Yes. I don't think you call it Lake.
28:27
Calhoun anymore I will. Always call it Lake Calhoun.
28:30
Now it's some. You certainly can't call it
28:34
that. You have a Devadu.
28:37
Like Betty Makaska. Something something like that.
28:40
They Yeah, something like that, yeah.
28:43
And it's never the hole where's my hammer has never turned into
28:45
some like dirty movie or anything.
28:46
Do you ever play pranks on? Your staff or?
28:48
Contractors. Not really.
28:51
I mean, not on job sites, mainly because of safety, OK?
28:55
Pranks. Well, one, I mean, if you do
28:58
something and they scare the hell out of them, you don't need
28:59
to be getting hurt because then in the end I get sued because I
29:02
carry the insurance for everybody.
29:04
They fall off the roof. Yeah, or hit themselves with a.
29:06
Hammer or cut themselves, So no. In the office, sure, we do.
29:11
A little bit, sure. Mess around with each other
29:13
sure, but not on job sites only for that reason.
29:15
Or like I've had to pull guys hands like where they nailed
29:18
their hand to the wall. No.
29:21
For real. For real.
29:22
Yep, guys. Have nailed their hands to the
29:24
wall with a nail gun right get in the way.
29:27
Then you use your hammer and you pry it out.
29:30
I've pulled pulled staples out of guys fingers.
29:32
Yeah. Oh nice.
29:34
Yeah. So, OK, then that leads me to
29:36
the next question of emergency room visits for me.
29:41
For you and then maybe. Your contractors I've never
29:44
driven. Anyone into the emergency room?
29:46
I have myself have not gone there because normally what I
29:48
would do is just wrap up whatever I did and some toilet
29:53
paper clicks. Put some duct tape around it.
29:55
I got one on my leg from that. Duct tape.
29:58
Duct tape. Pretty bad gouge.
30:00
I've had guys kind of like cut their fingers with table saws
30:04
and tips the fingers off. I never cut 1.
30:07
Off but gouged it pretty bad. They would drive themselves to
30:10
the hospital. Stuff from the eyes guys have
30:12
fallen. I fell off a ladder like 2
30:15
stories but I was fine. Rob fell off a ladder.
30:17
I have off a ladder from one story and.
30:19
Broke my fibula yeah that's sucks I'm.
30:21
Older than you. Not by much, yeah.
30:24
His bones are. Brittle.
30:25
They are brittle. You need more.
30:27
Cream in your coffee? Yeah, that's true.
30:29
I was. Actually putting, I was actually
30:30
putting. There you go.
30:31
I was actually putting up about gutter guards, my old gutter
30:33
guards. Yeah.
30:34
So that's. I was very.
30:36
Insistent that we replace them when we put new gutters on.
30:38
Yeah, and you didn't have to. Do it.
30:40
And I didn't have to do it because.
30:41
Exactly. Yes.
30:41
Learn my lesson. Yeah, Rob and.
30:43
Ladders don't mix. Don't mix, no.
30:45
No, no, no, I don't like them anymore.
30:47
Either like I, you know, I do less of the physical activity
30:50
these days or the physical work and I'm not nearly as good on
30:52
the ladders I used to be. Yeah, yeah, I used to walk
30:55
walls. Like no thing, I could be 3
30:56
stories up and walk a wall and not care.
30:58
What does that mean? Walk a wall.
31:00
So like when you build. Your house right before the roof
31:03
goes on, you have walls standing on the perimeter and they're
31:05
only 3 1/2 or 5 1/2 inches wide, and you would just stand up
31:09
there and walk from one end to the other?
31:11
I would. Seriously.
31:12
Fall off. I mean, first of all, Fred
31:14
Heights, you talk about the previous one, catch you up
31:17
there. And I would start.
31:18
To shake and a tip over. Not good, not good.
31:22
No no no. You fall to the inside.
31:24
You're only falling 8 to 10 feet.
31:26
It's not so bad outside, a little worse outside.
31:28
Will be a lot worse plus your. Problem if you'd be up there.
31:30
You. You would.
31:30
I had a few drinks because you're afraid of heights
31:31
already, so that wouldn't help with your dexterity.
31:33
Yeah, all of it would be bad. That'll be bad.
31:36
Yeah, drinking on the job site not.
31:37
Good. No smoking pot on the job site.
31:39
Not good. Good, not good.
31:41
But. Drinking during a podcast is
31:43
good. All day, every day.
31:44
Welcome. Thank you.
31:45
When can't you drink? Well other than on a job site?
31:49
Or maybe in your car. Right.
31:51
Drinking. And.
31:52
Driving not. Not in Minnesota.
31:54
No. No, not.
31:55
Anywhere, Jeff. Can't you like Southern?
31:57
States. Why is that so funny?
32:04
I don't think you can, Jeff. OK, You could be a passenger.
32:06
Drinking then? Maybe.
32:08
Maybe, possibly. Yeah, I'm pretty sure and.
32:09
And I love they don't have the drive through liquor stores.
32:11
Yeah, right. Yeah, yeah.
32:12
So I, I sorry to get off. I went to a drive.
32:14
Through liquor store. Once you did in Iowa, did you?
32:17
Yeah, It's pretty fun, actually. It's a great idea.
32:19
Yeah, it is. They're all over South Dakota,
32:21
too. Start one.
32:22
Maybe it's just. The Minnesota thing.
32:23
Where we have we didn't have any fun here.
32:25
We have no gambling. Yeah, but now we can at least.
32:26
Buy alcohol on Sunday. That was never a thing in the
32:29
past. Don't have drive was.
32:30
Wisconsin anymore. That's right, we can start a
32:32
new. Business venture.
32:34
I'm in drive through liquor store.
32:35
There you go, make pizzas. In the back.
32:38
Pizzas. Yeah, that's what we're going to
32:41
do. I know little pizza joint, love
32:43
it, love it. And let's get THC pizzas.
32:47
Never had one, right? See, it's not out there yet.
32:50
Be filthy rich. I'm an idea man you.
32:52
Are as you are. More than just making it pretty.
32:56
It's right, so we know that timelines are important, but
32:59
what motivates your crew the most on long builds besides
33:03
pizza? Donuts.
33:05
Donuts in pizza? Well, Donuts go a long way.
33:08
So does lunch if you buy them lunch.
33:11
If. You buy them lunch.
33:12
You'd be amazed. Like what that does for guys,
33:15
really. They bring their same sandwich
33:17
every day. They're Ritz crackers to
33:19
whatever, right. You buy guys lunch, it changes
33:22
their toll outlook. Nobody's bringing like leftovers
33:25
and need a microwave to heat up. We bring microwaves everywhere.
33:28
There's always a microwave on a job site.
33:29
You really, you bring up, you hook up a microwave.
33:32
Yeah. So like all work trailers, most
33:34
work trailers have microwaves in them so guys can warm up their
33:36
lunch. If we're in a house for a year
33:38
or something, we'll have a microwave kind of set up
33:40
somewhere in the living room that people warm up their stuff.
33:44
Fridges. Homeowners will bring us stuff
33:46
from time to time. We've had guys make us breakfast
33:48
or do fish fries or grilled burgers for lunch.
33:51
Oh, that's cool. Yeah, OK.
33:53
So when when I get into when I get into getting a remodel done,
33:57
I'll remember that goes a long. Way food, just a little bit of
34:00
food, even Donuts. I mean it doesn't have to be
34:03
every week. I mean it's usually not.
34:05
But on the guys that are there for a long periods of time, I
34:07
mean a lot of these guys like plumbers, they might be at your
34:11
house for a day, maybe 2 days and they're gone.
34:14
They they filter through one to the next.
34:16
You don't need to bring them Donuts, no.
34:19
But but if I do and then I'm in a bind.
34:23
Or I forgot, they remember you. They Remember Me going.
34:26
So like, then I can persuade him to come fix or do whatever I
34:30
need done. That's right, Jeff the donut.
34:31
Guy, right? That's nice of you, Jeff.
34:35
Doesn't take much. Simple guys, right?
34:36
We don't need much. You know, I got to say, dude.
34:39
Just I going through the process and you think about this like a
34:41
lot of stuff, you know, you being the general contractor, a
34:44
lot of people do it on their own, like they general contract
34:46
on their own and they run all the crews and all that.
34:48
But and obviously when you hire, when I hire like somebody like
34:51
you to do this, obviously there's a fee I'm paying you to
34:54
do your job, correct. To me, 100% worth it because you
34:58
see a lot of things I don't see you're the whole the whole
35:02
schedule thing. The whole schedule thing you do
35:03
just still blows me away as how congested that thing is.
35:07
It's every. Day it's an adjustment because
35:10
one thing gets off, it throws everybody else off, so you're
35:13
constantly moving and adjusting. You try to build in some fluff
35:16
days, but you don't know and you need those.
35:19
And you just right. Yeah, it's it's a lot of work.
35:22
But you're right, we do it every day, right?
35:24
So we catch the little things. The little things are usually
35:26
what can throw something off. People have done this.
35:29
Themselves and they call us halfway through going Oh my God,
35:32
I'm over my head, please save me, please save me.
35:34
Some help me? Yep, I'm not getting rich on
35:36
this right. I'm not living in now.
35:39
You've ruined my whole. Thought here I want to get
35:42
instruction. Pizza.
35:43
That's what you're. Going to get into THD pizza,
35:45
yeah? Construction, right?
35:46
Yeah, THD pizza. I love my job because it's.
35:49
A variety. I meet different people every
35:51
day. I go to different places every
35:52
day I build something new. I create, right?
35:54
That's what I love Yeah. It doesn't make me a ton of
35:57
money, right. I mean, so you're an Rob you.
36:00
Want to give me an? Extra 30 grand?
36:02
No, not so much. Yeah.
36:03
So you're an artist? You're an artist like me.
36:05
I am an artist. You just deal with 3D, yeah,
36:10
don't you? At all.
36:10
You're all 2D. I'm 2D, yeah.
36:12
I'm 3D, yes. You are.
36:15
I got another question here for you.
36:17
How often does it happen that your measurements are a little
36:19
bit off resulting in a tear down?
36:22
Does that happen often? What do you mean tear down well?
36:25
OK, so you're. Off by half an inch in a room,
36:27
the walls don't line up. What do you do?
36:30
Shim it. You Shim it.
36:32
Or you could. Some people will say.
36:33
I'll use a Dutchman. It's a little trick of the
36:35
trade. What's a Dutchman?
36:37
Well. It's a little Shim.
36:39
It's. Basically a Shim.
36:40
Different term for a Shim. OK, there's always ways no house
36:44
is perfectly flat, plum or level correct everything.
36:48
If you look down a wall floor, there are imperfections
36:51
everywhere, right? This is not a car being made in
36:52
a factory. Everything has little
36:55
imperfections. We try to minimize those, we try
36:58
to hide them. Part of that is just lighting
37:02
and then textures and finishes all make a difference.
37:05
But so when I was putting. In my wall molding in my family
37:09
room, I measured the walls from the floor to ceiling each side
37:13
of the room so the outside wall to the interior.
37:15
It was 1/2 inch off. Yep, totally.
37:17
Normal and nobody would know that unless you're doing it so
37:20
the disrobement nuts because like we.
37:21
Need to have the molding exactly perfect, which of course you
37:25
want. You want it to look nice and
37:27
there are ways to get. That by adjusting your cutting
37:30
like you they say what measure twice, cut once.
37:34
I always measure. Once cut 3 times.
37:38
Sorry I'm always speaking it wrong.
37:40
Call me next time. Even the lumber.
37:44
You buy. Isn't the same width really like
37:47
a 2? By 4 can.
37:48
Be anywhere from 3:00 and 2:45 and 3/4 inch thick.
37:52
That is really throwing. Me off here, How am I supposed
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to know what I'm buying? Well, you need to.
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Buy lumber 1st and then occasionally by.
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Lumber, There's ways to fudge. It all shimming it pulling this
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and that. I heard it's called a Dutchman.
38:06
There's a. Dutchman, it's one of my
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favorites. It doesn't really fly though,
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most you can't really use it very often.
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OK, you try to exceed and again, if you measure twice, cut once.
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You don't need to use the Dutchman.
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So I maybe I should get into that.
38:23
You should so. Rob hired me for his home
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projects. Yes, he did, which is great.
38:27
And great. To work with Rob.
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But what about you? Why don't you hire me?
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I want to. Hire you, But alas, I do my
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projects myself, that's why I cut 3 times.
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Because you're also an artist. Because I'm an artist.
38:41
I was over giving you. Some opinions once.
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Yeah, we've not moved. One inch on that opinion yet
38:47
didn't you have a wall tore out? When I was there, Oh yeah, I
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tore it out. And what does it look like now?
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It's beautiful. Is it still like a hole in the
38:53
wall? Nope.
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I did all you. You muttered it and climb mud it
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and taped it, and I scraped. My ceilings and you can't tell.
38:59
And then I spend hours and hours, days, weeks, months
39:04
redoing the ceiling over and over.
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But now it's perfect. Yep, until now.
39:08
The door swung open and knocked another hole in the wall.
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Son of a bitch. Exactly.
39:15
And no, before you ask, we haven't put the flooring down
39:17
yet because we can't decide on the color who do.
39:21
You want some hand me downs I they won't match the floor I
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already. Have so then no my wife.
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Calls my things, I bring home the hoxie, hand me downs.
39:30
Foxy hand me downs like I once even.
39:32
Brought her home a bidet. Did you install the?
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Bidet. It's 100% installed.
39:37
In our master bathroom and. It's fantastic once.
39:42
You try it, you never go back. Matt.
39:44
You know, Matt Minster got me on those.
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He did. He was the one that mentioned it
39:48
many years ago. And yeah, once you have one, OK,
39:51
kind of. Intrigued now?
39:52
So maybe you got to do your bathroom.
39:53
I can't figure out. I mean, obviously I haven't used
39:56
one, but I just don't know what is.
39:58
I don't know, you just got to play around with it.
40:00
Brian, OK, I'll. Be sure to next time I get next
40:05
time I get one, I'll bring it. Over to you.
40:06
I think Brian has a problem with.
40:07
Water shooting in places he's not comfortable with.
40:14
All right, so I have one last question for you.
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What is the one piece of advice you'd give someone wanting to
40:19
get into construction? One like as an.
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Occupation. Yes, I'm talking to all the.
40:24
Younger people out there, it's an amazing job.
40:26
You can make a ton of money. Come on, come work for me.
40:28
How about that? Oh, I like.
40:30
That our industry is. Aging, aging quickly.
40:33
Everybody's 50 plus. We need young people.
40:36
Definitely. The beauty of our industry is
40:40
you work your 8 hour day and you go home and you forget about it.
40:42
Now as the owner, you don't because people call you in the
40:44
evening. But if you're working
40:46
construction work 8 hours, go home, do your thing, come back.
40:50
Is it really it just? You cut off at 8.
40:51
I just for in my head I kept thinking that they work all the
40:54
time. It depends on the.
40:56
Occupation and the trade. Some guys will work longer in
40:59
the summer because they're not working winters, but for the
41:01
most part, guys are 8. Maybe you're 9.
41:04
It's more flexible maybe than it used to be because we're looking
41:08
for more people to get into the trades.
41:10
Sure. So, because here's your plug.
41:12
For the trades, that was my plug, OK.
41:14
I got it, I mean. I just think as a society.
41:16
We spent so much time focusing on college education that the
41:18
trades got put to the wayside and, and honestly, that's where
41:22
it's at now is the trades. I mean, you could, you can make
41:24
bank. You can, I mean.
41:26
We will pay carpenters over 100 grand a year right?
41:29
They work 8 hour days, 40 hours a week.
41:30
Yep, no overtime. You can get overtime if you want
41:32
it, but you can make good money. You gotta be physical right?
41:35
You're not sitting at a desk you had.
41:36
Me there at 100,000 until you said I had to be physical.
41:39
Well, you can stand on. Your feet for 8 hours, Can't
41:41
you? God no.
41:44
Come on, I can stand on my feet for like 15 minutes, then I got
41:47
to sit down. Yeah.
41:48
I mean, when you're 20, you probably.
41:49
Could When you're 20, you're. Dancing through the aisle.
41:52
Right, but at pushing 60, it's a.
41:53
Different story, isn't there? Don't.
41:54
Hey, how? How do you No, How do you?
41:58
How do you sit? Inside all day and not be
42:00
outside where it's beautiful. I mean, that's the beauty of our
42:02
job is we're outside and sometimes we're working on the
42:04
lake. You take your lunch break on a
42:05
dock. Yeah.
42:06
Soaking in the sun like it's fantastic.
42:09
I'm a cave dweller. I live in a cave, I work in a
42:12
cave. I never leave my cave.
42:16
You have a good complexion. Though you have a little bit of
42:18
sun going on. Thanks, Jeff.
42:21
It's all those weekends at the cabin.
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Yeah, that's what it is, yeah. So that's all we got for
42:26
questions. For you.
42:27
Did you have fun? I had a great time.
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Yeah, me too. Good.
42:30
Painless. Painless.
42:32
I mean, I didn't know why you guys want to come up with.
42:34
Well, hopefully wasn't. Too bad, yeah, but if you had as
42:37
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42:49
And that's all folks. Oh, and one more thing.
42:52
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42:54
area, consider giving Hoxie Holmes a try.
42:56
Great company, great guy. They're the.
42:58
Best. They're the best.
42:59
Bye everyone. Bye, bye, guys.
43:02
Hey Jeff, I think about building a big tree house.
43:05
Make sure and bring your hammer.