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Best of Chuck & Buck 6-25 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: Lady and gentlemen, Welcome to Chaos.
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  Speaker 1: You go. Now, we've got a long guy where the
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  Speaker 1: Let's get the game off. All right, Good morning, great morning.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, welcome into this Thursday edition
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  Speaker 1: of Chuck and Buck in the Morning Sports Radio ninety
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  Speaker 1: three point three KG. It is terrific to have you
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  Speaker 1: with us here on this Thursday as we get you
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  Speaker 1: set for some cooler temperatures and some hot sports talk radio.
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  Speaker 2: I like that combination.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's a great combination. We get that hot and cold.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of like a cold night in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the winter where you get a warm blanket. It's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like that combination. Yeah, it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: when you're eating those hot fajedas and you wash it
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  Speaker 1: down with a cold beer. That all hot cold combination.
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  Speaker 1: It all always goes down.
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  Speaker 4: Smooth, like turning on your ac in the summer and
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  Speaker 4: putting on a heated blanket.
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  Speaker 1: M Goose Bumpy. Yeah, welcome to Goose Bump Central. It
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  Speaker 1: is Chuck and Ashley here with you today. I will say,
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  Speaker 1: I think we're close to getting information on Buddy, so
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  Speaker 1: I'll pass that along. We have a station meeting today,
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  Speaker 1: so we should find out a little bit of information
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  Speaker 1: on that front for you that we can pass along.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, Ashley and I are in the dark, so
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  Speaker 1: we welcome you into this Thursday show, just Ashley and
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  Speaker 1: I again, and we'll take it through the next four
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  Speaker 1: hours here of our radio show. And we do have
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  Speaker 1: a lot planned for you during the course of today's program,
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  Speaker 1: including a little soccer talk a little later with Brad Evans.
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  Speaker 1: We'll go through that with What's on Tap. But I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't really going to start with the Mariners, but because
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  Speaker 1: of this Brian Wu situation, I think that's exactly where
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  Speaker 1: we have to begin today's program. Once again. Brian Wu
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  Speaker 1: has a bad outing. Once again, He's answering questions in
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  Speaker 1: such a frustrating manner. This is such a confident, cool
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  Speaker 1: customer of a young man, and for him to be
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  Speaker 1: this wound up about his failings on the mound. Is
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  Speaker 1: this becoming rapidly a bigger and bigger story with each
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  Speaker 1: outing that he has that is unsuccessful. And here's the
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  Speaker 1: thing about it, He's not that far off. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he's averaging a two twenty six batting average against this
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  Speaker 1: year to sixty seven on Bay six nineteen. Ohps. Those
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  Speaker 1: are terrific numbers across the board. So why is Brian
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  Speaker 1: wu pulling out his hair every other start and almost
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  Speaker 1: every start on the road. Well, Ashley, it really comes
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  Speaker 1: down to just one thing. He's having one bad inning
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  Speaker 1: and he had that bad inning again last night. He
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  Speaker 1: was throwing a no hitter through three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it went to a lot of hitter yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then all of a sudden in the fourth
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  Speaker 1: he can't get anybody out and it kind of abandoned
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  Speaker 1: all of the things that he does well. And bottom line,
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  Speaker 1: let me bottom line it for you. Sports are hard
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  Speaker 1: at this level and psychology of sports goes underestimated every
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  Speaker 1: single second of every single day in the sports talk world.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we just always he sucks or he's great.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just automatically. You just you have to
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  Speaker 1: attach something to it. And the truth of the matter
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  Speaker 1: is he's got some sort of issue where he now
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  Speaker 1: is expecting to blow up when he's on the road
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  Speaker 1: at some point. It's a hurdle that he can't overcome.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why we are seeing somebody who's normally cool,
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  Speaker 1: calm and collected, maybe the slickest dude in the starting rotation.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I take that back, no doubt, the slickest dude
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  Speaker 1: in the starting rotation, who has had some of the
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  Speaker 1: most almost disturbing press conferences we've seen in a number
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  Speaker 1: of years, where again last night he doubles down on
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  Speaker 1: I can't sleep at night after these things. I can't
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  Speaker 1: figure it out. I wish I had answers for you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, beating himself up publicly to a degree that
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  Speaker 1: you rarely see a professional athlete do that. So if
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  Speaker 1: he's I mean, that's stuff that sometimes you keep close
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  Speaker 1: to the vest. You might share that with a teammate
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  Speaker 1: or a pitching coach, or a manager or all your teammates.
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  Speaker 1: You might share that stuff on the plane ride home,
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  Speaker 1: but very few of them let us know how much
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  Speaker 1: it's driving them crazy. And yet Brian Wu, it's almost
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  Speaker 1: as if he can't wait to tell us how much
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  Speaker 1: it's driving him crazy. And that's, in some way is
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  Speaker 1: therapeutic for him. I guess so that Mariner fans know
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  Speaker 1: that he doesn't find this acceptable. But actually, when somebody
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  Speaker 1: is having that much, when they're beating themselves up that
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  Speaker 1: much after a poor outing, then there is no and
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  Speaker 1: his issue continues to be one bad inning that haunts him.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now when he goes on the
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  Speaker 1: road and he's saying, there's nothing to do with Homer Road. Nope, nope, nope,
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  Speaker 1: you're wrong. When you go on the road and you
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  Speaker 1: start every game with confidence, but in the back of
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  Speaker 1: your head you are worried if one thing goes the
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  Speaker 1: wrong way. Oh, here we go again. That's what's happening
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Wu. It's what happens to George Kirby. I've
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  Speaker 1: been saying that about George Kirby for years, where if
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  Speaker 1: something goes the way that it shouldn't go, George Kirby
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  Speaker 1: tends to fall apart to a degree. I mean, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we're not seeing this, but Brian wu is clearly I
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  Speaker 1: start the game off well, as long as things are
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  Speaker 1: going great, I'm great. But the moment that something a
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  Speaker 1: little bloop double down the left field line occurs like
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  Speaker 1: it did last night, then Brian wu is expecting the
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  Speaker 1: worst to happen, and then it happens. That's what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with Brian.
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  Speaker 4: Wu and I like that he is kind of venting
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  Speaker 4: his own anger and frustration in his press conference postgame.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it's probably a little bit fair, and
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  Speaker 2: it's letting. It's letting Mariners fans know like, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not good with this.
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  Speaker 4: I'm pissed. I'm more pissed about it than you are.
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  Speaker 4: So don't try it, you know, because a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people will be like, oh, these guys.
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  Speaker 2: Don't even care.
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  Speaker 4: They're paid in millions, it doesn't matter. Well, no, this
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  Speaker 4: guy clearly cares. He cares a lot, Yes, and he
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  Speaker 4: cares a lot when he has a great outing, and
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  Speaker 4: so yeah, he's gonna put a lot of emotion into
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  Speaker 4: something where he doesn't think he's giving his best. He's
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  Speaker 4: clearly a perfectionist, and and when it's not going as
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  Speaker 4: perfect as he's he knows he's capable of that's that's
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  Speaker 4: not acceptable to him, and I completely understand that. I
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  Speaker 4: get worried though, because of how emotional and mental. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: the baseball world is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you. I appreciate I'll meet you there because
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate that he does let the fans know. This
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  Speaker 1: is bothering me. But I'm definitely pulling him aside if
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  Speaker 1: I haven't already, if I'm Dan Wilson, like, dude, you're
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  Speaker 1: going to be fine. Yeah, Hey, your probably right now.
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  Speaker 1: Is not your stuff, not your makeup, it's not your
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  Speaker 1: work ethic, it's it's not that you don't care. Your
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  Speaker 1: problem is that you're you're in your own head. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and this game will chew you up and spit you out.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why they really need to get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of this. They need to really wrestle it to
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  Speaker 1: the ground because Ashley, I'm telling you, he just he
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  Speaker 1: kind of changed. And I don't know if he shook him,
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  Speaker 1: shook off Cal, or if cal made the wrong decisions.
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  Speaker 1: But in that Indie Rodriguez at bat last night, which
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  Speaker 1: was really the big at bat, right, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: o'hearne double. You know, I want to see Brian who
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  Speaker 1: say he didn't beat me, I beat him. That's flucish.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to get out of this. But the Rodriguez
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  Speaker 1: at bat which followed that, knocked in the runs is
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  Speaker 1: really what did him in. And he didn't throw one fastball,
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  Speaker 1: not one fastball. And I know Indy Rodriguez has a
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  Speaker 1: quick bat. I like Indie Rodriguez talent a lot. He's
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  Speaker 1: got a quick bat. And so I'm sure the scouting
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  Speaker 1: report is don't throw fastballs. But I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: scared to use what I do best just because of
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  Speaker 1: somebody else's scouting report. And he's gonna be And I'm
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  Speaker 1: sitting there at the bar and I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: sound on, just yelling fastball up. You know, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: yelling it, but I'm yelling it in my head. I
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  Speaker 1: do say it fastball. So I'm sitting there like trying
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  Speaker 1: to get he and Cal on the same page and no,
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  Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep going off speed stuff. And then
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  Speaker 1: he ends up getting beat on that, and then the
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  Speaker 1: roof caved in, so I got to get through to him.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm Dan Wilson, you know I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: see somebody I'd love the idea that somebody can go
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  Speaker 1: in front of the cameras and say I hate it.
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  Speaker 1: I hate it more than any of you fans that
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  Speaker 1: I'm not the pitcher that I was a year ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get there. I like debt, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't like it like he's like, you know, he's like
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  Speaker 1: beating himself up. It's like self mutilation, you know. Don't
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  Speaker 1: give him a syllous I don't want to see him
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  Speaker 1: slapping his back so that he can cause scars. I
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's healthy either. I think that's crossing
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  Speaker 1: a line the other way. Like, dude, you should not
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  Speaker 1: be beating yourself up as much as you are, and
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  Speaker 1: it is contributing to the next time that you're on
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  Speaker 1: the mound on the road and somebody gets a blue
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  Speaker 1: pit you are immediately going back to that place. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what we've got to fix more than anything else.
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  Speaker 1: You're throwing ninety eight. You weren't throwing that hard last year.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with your stuff. It's all between the ears.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to fix you going to that place, you
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  Speaker 1: thinking the roof's going to cave in the moment you
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  Speaker 1: feel a tremor.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is the issues, is whatever's happening in
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  Speaker 4: game that's reminding him of the issues prior, right, Because
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  Speaker 4: I do think there are certain people and I kind
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  Speaker 4: of like this, like if some thing goes wrong, I
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  Speaker 4: want to talk about it right away, figure it out,
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  Speaker 4: and then move on, right.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want.
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  Speaker 4: To go stew about it, think about it all on
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  Speaker 4: my own, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then figure, Okay, now I'm just kind of over it.
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  Speaker 4: No, talk about it, get it out, word, vomit, and
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  Speaker 4: then you can move on, right, You've gotten it all
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  Speaker 4: out there. And so it's possible that that's what he's doing,
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  Speaker 4: like if I just talk about it right now in
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  Speaker 4: the moment, No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not that that part.
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  Speaker 4: It's that whatever's happening in like when he's coming back,
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  Speaker 4: he's not getting it all out. So whatever he's doing,
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  Speaker 4: he's angry, he's irritated, he's talking about it, but he's
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  Speaker 4: clearly not getting it all.
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  Speaker 2: Out in order to move on.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what I'm saying, you, like, I'll do it,
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  Speaker 4: and then that's the way I move on. Right, It's
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  Speaker 4: out there, it's done, And for him, I think he's
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  Speaker 4: doing that in a sense. But not getting it all
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  Speaker 4: out there and letting it be done.
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  Speaker 1: Well, whatever he's doing, if that's your mechanism for flushing
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  Speaker 1: something and getting it out of your system and getting
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  Speaker 1: it out of your head, all right, fine, but clearly
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  Speaker 1: that's not working for him. Like that word vomit press
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  Speaker 1: conference now just looks like you're adding to the pressure
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  Speaker 1: you've already placed on yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I think he is.
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  Speaker 1: And so the next time that you're in Detroit or
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, and Zach McKinstry bloops won
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  Speaker 1: over JP's head at third when you know, on an
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  Speaker 1: O two count you had him in the palm of
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  Speaker 1: your hand. I can't have you then give up seven
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  Speaker 1: straight hits and Brian's way too good for that. And
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  Speaker 1: yes there was a bloop that got it started, but
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  Speaker 1: everything else was just rocketed. And that's you don't go
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  Speaker 1: from three innings. I'm practical, I'm unhittable for three innings too.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Oh hearns. Randy should have had that
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  Speaker 1: down the left field line. And the next thing you know,
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  Speaker 1: you suddenly are just getting tagged by everyone in the
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  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh pirate lineup, most of which we've never heard of, right,
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  Speaker 1: I have. But yeah, but I'm a baseball nerd. But
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  Speaker 1: you see what I mean. So it's an issue. They
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  Speaker 1: got to get their arms around it. I mean, here's
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  Speaker 1: an idea. I'm not saying it's a good one, but
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  Speaker 1: it's an idea, like, do we have a new piggyback?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about Wu with somebody else in
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  Speaker 1: one given night, but do we go Wu at home
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  Speaker 1: and Castillo on the road. Yeah, I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 1: any crazier than what we've been doing. It's not any
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  Speaker 1: crazier some of these other theories. But I mean, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to say no to it right off the bat
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  Speaker 1: because I want Wu fixed, and I don't think he's
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  Speaker 1: that far away, so I'm I'm going to nix it.
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  Speaker 1: But we're we're entertaining these crazy ideas, right, how do
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  Speaker 1: we do this well? Brian Wu's clearly good at home
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  Speaker 1: one fifty four opponent's batting average at home two ERA
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  Speaker 1: five and zero and seven starts on the road, he
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  Speaker 1: has a six point three adra.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a road issue for sure.
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  Speaker 1: That's all part of the psychology. It's not that Brian
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  Speaker 1: Wu is intimidated by Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania it's not that Brian
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  Speaker 1: Wu can't get the job done in Anaheim ruling Anaheim.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it is Brian Wu in his head's like, oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: I can't pitch on the road anymore. Why, Oh here
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  Speaker 1: I go. Now I'm back on track. Oh we got
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  Speaker 1: a bloop and now I'm over. So whatever the psychology is,
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  Speaker 1: it's only happening on the road. It enters his mind
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  Speaker 1: on the road. Meanwhile, Luis Castillo, since we went to
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  Speaker 1: the Piggyback three games on the road, fifteen and a
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  Speaker 1: third innings, three runs allowed, earned runs, one point seven
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  Speaker 1: six ERA, and he also has a five point six
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  Speaker 1: eight ERA for the season at home, nearly a run
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  Speaker 1: better on the road. But since we went to the Piggyback,
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  Speaker 1: since he's been a different pitcher, he actually has a
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  Speaker 1: one point seven to six ERA on the road. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe on the road that's time to
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  Speaker 1: the rotation. I mean, you know, these days, Luis Castillo's
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  Speaker 1: the starter and Brian Woo's a reliever, and then when
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  Speaker 1: they're at home, Brian Woo's the starter and Luis Castillo's
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  Speaker 1: a reliever. They would never do it. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: recommending that they they should do it. But it's clearly
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  Speaker 1: a psychological issue with our guy, Brian Wo and it
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  Speaker 1: is entering his head whenever he gives up a flukish
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  Speaker 1: hit or somebody makes an error on the road, and
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  Speaker 1: it is doing him in. It is caving in his skull.
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  Speaker 1: And obviously we don't we don't want that to repeat.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously you can point it out statistically, but it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to be solved by him and his own mental
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  Speaker 1: fortitude to get where he needs to be. Because Brian
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  Speaker 1: wu is still pitching like an All star two twenty
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  Speaker 1: six batting average against for the season. That's what that's
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  Speaker 1: with all that crappy stuff on the road to twenty
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  Speaker 1: six batting average against. There's nothing wrong with Brian Wu's stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with his heart, there's nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 1: his makeup. It is there is something wrong between the
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  Speaker 1: ears that he is not handling. He now, but he
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  Speaker 1: is now expecting to have a bad inning on the road,
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  Speaker 1: and he is putting.
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  Speaker 4: That out in the universe, and it is happening to
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  Speaker 4: him well, and I wish that, Yeah, if he wants,
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  Speaker 4: if he's that powerful, if he can expect something to
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  Speaker 4: put it out in the universe and it happens.
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  Speaker 2: We just need to train him to expect great things.
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  Speaker 1: There you go, how do we do that?
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  Speaker 2: That's hypnosis. Let's try hypnosis.
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  Speaker 1: I don't We've got a mental coach. We got it,
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  Speaker 1: we got a we got chickens. We've got a chicken
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  Speaker 1: coach and a mental coach. I think chicken. I believe
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  Speaker 1: we do. I'm not sure about the chicken coach.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure that. Yeah, there's a coach for everything
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  Speaker 2: these days.
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  Speaker 1: There really is. All right, let's find out what's on
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  Speaker 1: tap for the rest of the show. What's on TEP?
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: What's untech Mariner's fall to the Pirates eleven to one?
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  Speaker 1: If I didn't mention it, we'll go through the scary
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  Speaker 1: details coming up at six thirty with Mariners morning after
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  Speaker 1: this morning, the team is forty one and forty on
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  Speaker 1: the year, So just hovering around this five hundred mark.
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  Speaker 1: There goes the bulky two game winning streak. Well, they
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  Speaker 1: can still win the series. They will play at Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 1: this morning. Nine to thirty five start in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a rough one.
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  Speaker 1: It has a really early start for a West Coast team.
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  Speaker 1: Nine thirty five. What are we in the Big ten? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Come on, what's happening?
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  Speaker 1: So it's Bryce Miller versus Bubba Chandler. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: smoke on the water, right there, A lot of smoke.
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  Speaker 1: That dude throws hard.
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  Speaker 2: Does he?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? So nine to thirty five Today they'll settle this
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  Speaker 1: thing once and for all in the Steel City World
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Cup for the USA. It continues today. They'll be back
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: on the pitch at seven o'clock this evening and they
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: will be taking on Turkey A. And Mark brad Evans
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: almost said Rob Evans our sales guy.
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  Speaker 4: He's really energetic though, Yeah, but I don't think you
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: want to hear from him, not about World Cup.
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  Speaker 1: H brad Evans will be with us today at eight o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, there is a conversation Ashley and I will
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: attempt it before we put Brad on the airwaves about
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: who you should play and how they should play and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: how hard they should play. The match means nothing. Turkey
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: A has no chance to move on past the group stage,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and the US has won the group stage. So I mean,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I know it's a World Cup match, but it pretty
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: much means nothing. And so how do you approach that
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: when you are also wanting to keep in mind, hey,
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: we've got a pretty good thing going here. Momentum does
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: mean something in sports, does it not. So we'll talk
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: about that a little bit later on on Us is
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: probably playing Bosnia next. It sounds like after Bosnia, Herzegovina
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: defeated Katar yesterday three to one. Right down the street
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: here Brazil. Mexico also won yesterday. Mexico, man, they just
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: breezed through their group. They went three to zero. Meanwhile
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Canada lost.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: We don't say, yeah.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I do, I do say. NHL Draft Tomorrow at four o'clock,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the Krack can have the seventh pick in the first
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: round of the draft. The Toronto Maple Leafs are on
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the clock at the number one overall selection. We'll talk
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: more about that tomorrow. Probably won't get into it in
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: great detail. Today, Saturday, is the conclusion of the NHL Draft.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: They split it over two days and that starts at
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: eight am on Saturday. The NBA Draft just concluded last night,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: so they also split their two round draft into two
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: different evenings. First round was of course on Tuesday, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: then the second round last night. This is crazy, and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: this is where the NBA draft has gotten. Get out
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of thirty picks, guess how many of the picks had
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: not been traded? So thirty picks. They either were traded
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: on draft night or traded in previous drafts, or whatever
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the case may be. Out of thirty picks, guess how
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: many had not been traded?
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Six one oh.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Twenty nine picks? Wow, and only one of the twenty
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: or one of the thirty picks was not moved at
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: some point. The fiftieth overall selection to Toronto, Jade and Bradley.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: There's a trivia question for you, hope that never comes up.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: That's a tricky one, that's a hard one. But Jade
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Bradley's pick was the only one that actually went to
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the original owner of the pick.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: They make a lot of trades on day two.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Sounds like that, you can't even keep up.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: And then they don't even put the logo by the
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: player because Adam Silver doesn't allow it. So you're just confused.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I don't even watch it anymore. Brown sham Sharana reporting
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: this morning that despite what Brad Stephens said Tuesday night
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that he's still a big part of our future. That
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: since they didn't trade Brown for Giannis. All they've done
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: is tried to figure out a trade partner for Jalen Brown.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So Brad Stevens pretty much Syam Sharanya reporting Brad Stevens
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: is a big frickin' liar.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Free agency for the NBA starts on July sixth. Liberty
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Storm tonight at seven, The Storm of lost a franchise
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: record eleven consecutive games. Caitlin Clark beat up again on
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: the court last night in the WNBA. We're gonna find
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: some time to talk about that, and once again the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: refs just overlooked it all. So there's a there's a
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: really really awful thing going on in that league right
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: now and the Seahawks. We will continue with our one
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: series today at eight thirty on the radio program. But
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Mariner Morning After comes your way next, just getting started
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: on a Thursday Sports Radio ninety three point three k JRFM,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: And there really is one big giant topic that is
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: dominating last night's conversation. We'll see if the alphabet is
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: going to pick up on it. So we allow the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: alphabet to be our guide through a daily Mariner's segment,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: and we left off at V starts to get tricky done. Yeah.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: The the alphabet can rely tough.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real prison, real vocabulary prison.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: V is for vocabulary.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It could be v could be for vocabulary prison, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: it's not okay today it is for voodoo because you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: know Brian Wu and he does that voodoo that he
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do so well. He obviously ran into trouble again in
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the fourth and we discussed at great length at the
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: beginning of the show if you missed it podcast ninety
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: three to three KJR dot com. To me, I mean,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's so clearly psychological at this point, and he's got
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit of George Kirby Idis right now. He's
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: expecting something to go wrong, and he's expecting it to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: be someone else's fault. Uh, and then he is expecting
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: then to not be able to overcome it, Like the
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: world's against me, the baseball gods are against me, and
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I can't figure it out. And we saw it again
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: last night, and it's kind of hard because and I've
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: said this before, and I'm not trying to compare my
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: playing I don't even want to call it a career
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: my playing history to a major leaguer's. But I've said
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: this before, like I kind of was George Kirby. You know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I was really good when I pitched in high school.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: But when I beat a guy, I wanted to beat
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the guy, and if he got a little bloop off
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: of me, it pissed me off, and sometimes it took
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: me out of my game. Now, I would have liked
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to have thought that by twenty five at the major
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: league level, that I would have matured out of that.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But George has not entirely. He's trying to get better.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: He's working on it, and I think Brian Wuz caught
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit of it here as of late. But
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you do understand frustration, like when you already got that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in the back of your head and then all of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I mean, this is voodoo. This is wu
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: voodoo is what this is.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: It's woodoo.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you give up a base hit. Ah, maybe Julio
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: didn't get the best jump, barely does drop in front
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of him. You get the next guy out, and then
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: here comes O'Hearn who bloops one down. Not only a
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: bloop down the left field line, but a bloop down
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the left field line where your left fielder has just
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: come back from a hamstring injury, like the one guy
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you didn't want a play in the.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Middle, right, that he has to try to run really far.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: That he has to either run far or has to
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: make a decision on how hard I'm gonna go after
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this ball? Am I going to slide? Am I going
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: to hit the wall? Like I promise you? Randy was
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: told beforehand, Hey, let's just not take unnecessary risks out there.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And that's fair.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And so here's Randy like, Okay, normally I'd
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: probably try to get that I'm not going and then
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: so all of those things. Not only did he hit
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the bloop, but he had a bloop to left field
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: to the one guy. And the only reason he's out
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: there is because dom Canzone also hurt his hamstring yep,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: and also has to be careful, so you can't put
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: two of them out there. So it's Randy who's out there. Otherwise,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: con Zone would have been in the right field if
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: he was healthy, and ro Rosarno would be behing and
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you would have never even had that moment. So it
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: does feel like when you're on the mountain, like I
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: can't catch a break, and then you can't let that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: then soak into your brain and affect your next pitches.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: But that's where he's at right now. That's what George
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: fights all the time. So yes, I do acknowledge. I've
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: been there before, not at the major league level obviously,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: but the frustration of I made my pitch, he got
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a hit, and now I know what's gonna happen somebody. Now,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: now they're going to get a bunch of bloops and
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be trailing. And that's where his mindset
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: is right now, and the baseball voodoo is not helping
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: him at all because that was a really, really, as
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: I've described on several levels, a very unlucky play for him.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing is you can do everything right,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: but you're relying on other people to do things correctly
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: or somebody to not have better luck than you. I mean,
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: it's that's sports, that's life, right. You could do everything right,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: but it's not always going to go the way you
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: want it to go. And unfortunately, in his situation, it
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: seems more magnified, right because he is not able to
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: get over that hill when that happens. And I do
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: think that George has improved on it, so maybe maybe
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: he's talking to George about it. Hopefully he does, or
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: hopefully George goes and talks to him and says, hey, man,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I've been there. Here's what you got to do.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the answer because I think they're doing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: it with George. I think that when George has one
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: of those moments, you see Cal go out there, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: put both of them. I've send Pete and Cal out there. Okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: we're not going to let that affect us. And now
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I think they got to do the same thing to Brian.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And he's a really tough mental dude, but right now
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: he's fighting it. And it's proof his press conferences where
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: he's pulling his hair out right in front of us.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: It's it's psychological. It's a two twenty six batting average
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: against he's dominating at home. It's all psychological. And so
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: we got to find that voodoo doll. We got to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: get rid of it before somebody sticks another pin in it.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: W is for Wu because that's the story here today,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: or the Wu Tang plan, as I like to call
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: what if we had a new piggyback plan based off
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: of Luis Castillo's actually been really good at home or
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: excuse me, on the road lately and not good at home.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: He's got a five six eight ERA this year at home. Meanwhile,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Brian Woo's got a six point three eight R on
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the road and a one point five ERA at home. Like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a different version of the piggyback. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: is it? Since we're discussing crazy ideas, is it insane
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: to say, Hey, you're going to pitch on the road
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: and you're going to pitch at home, and that's the
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: way that we're going to do it, and then you're
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: gonna relieve for one another in those scenarios based on
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: how the game's going, he will be the relief pitcher
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: that night. Is that that crazy?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I mean you would.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I thought the piggyback was a crazy idea when it happened.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I mean when I first heard about it, I was like, wait,
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: what they're going to do?
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: What?
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and look what it did for Castillo. I mean
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: it improved. So maybe that helps if WU can just
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: focus on, Okay, I've just got to get the start
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: at home and I'm gonna.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Come in relief and that's going to be something new.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: So now he's not it, it might, you know, especially
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: if he's only going three or four innings. Okay, well,
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: now you might not get to that point where you've
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: got that hurdle that you've got to get over and
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: that helps work itself out.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, I mean psychologically to pop up
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: at any time. I don't know. If there's a designated inning, no,
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you'd have to get them out. But I would say that,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, you would never do it, and I don't
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: They're not going to do it because by the end
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: of the season, you're you don't want somebody to be
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: convinced they can only pitch at home, and you don't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: want somebody to be convinced they can only pitch on
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the road. But when you are already experimenting with we
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: have too many pitchers for too few spots, and you've
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: already tried one thing, actually a couple of different things,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's any worse ideas.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: No, that's what I'm saying. I don't think it's the worst.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the worst thing I've heard.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Finally, and quickly, X is for X ray Vision, And
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I got to give the umpire some credit on that
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: play last night, because that might have been the trickiest
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: ball trick on the eyes that I've ever seen in
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: a baseball game. Randy's home run down the right field line,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: foul ball down the right field line, the way that
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: that the pain of foul line on the wall, and
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: then the foul pole is actually not aligned with the
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: line on the wall and Pittsburgh for whatever reason, and
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: then the way that it caramed off something metal. I mean,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that was one of the most difficult things to be
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: able to tell. What was that? Was that a home run?
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Was it a foul ball? Was it a fair ball
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that hit off the top of the wall, that it
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: hit over the wall and off of the stands, and
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: then that's what shot it across the and that umpire
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: saw that accurately. I'm like, I don't know if you
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: just guessed. I mean, they didn't exactly challenge it, right,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: They went straight to a crew review. So that might
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: have been him saying I have no idea, I just
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: guessed foul. That might have been what he did. But
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: for him to have guessed accurately, because that was one
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: of the most difficult. They showed like three replays and
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: I still couldn't tell. And until the cameraman focused in
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: on that metal piece. Then they showed it again and
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: then you saw it hit the metal piece and I'm like, man,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: that is an eagle eye as an eagle eye on
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that umpire, because I that was tricky. That was one
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of the trickiest things. Thank goodness, we have replay and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: just imagine how much different the game was. If that's
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, fair, you're up four to nothing at that point,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: that it's a completely different game. It is going forward,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: all right? Coming up next you down with OPQ, Yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I know you. Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: We bring on one expert to talk about one Seahawk
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: player for one entire interview. Last year on Thursdays we
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: started going outside of Seattle for our expert for all
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: of the newcomers coming into town. And so it's Thursday.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to need to do that. We're gonna go
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: to enemy territory today. Also, I think we're going to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: do something we've never done before. We're going to discuss
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: someone who is not a player on the Seahawks, but
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: instead a coach joining us now here on our radio
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: program from ninety five to seven, the Game in San Francisco.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Evan Gettings is with us here on Chuck and Buck.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Good morning, Evan, how's it going.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: I'm glad to be able to maybe usher in a
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: new part of your your segment, So thanks for having
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: me on.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it's great to have you. And I used to
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: work for Matt and Higgean once upon a time. Tell
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: me he's not on your last nerve.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: No, no, And I don't think we're going to spend
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: an entire segment in our show either, you know, digging
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: into the history and the some of the background of
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: mister Nahegan. But he told me that you do an
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: awesome an awesome job, and something happy to help you
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: out and that with you this morning.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, I appreciate it. Well, we're going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: talk about Brian Flory with you, and we appreciate your
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: insights into all of this. And I would just I'll
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: start with this. I mean, this happened within the division.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Forty nine ers lose their Brian Florey to be the
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator of the Seattle Seahawks. How much did it
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: hurt San Francisco forty nine er fans Evan Gettings to
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: find out Brian Fleury was leaving for enemy territory.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Well, certainly not more than the Seahawks winning the Super
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: Bowl at Levi's Stadium. I don't know if anything's ever
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: going to be able to top that for forty nine
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Ers fans, so Flori might have to take a back seat.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: But you know, it's interesting. I know that Clint Kubiak
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: didn't take a direct route from San Francisco to Seattle
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: at HEAs spent one season in New Orleans. But to me,
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: the hire is kind of along those lines where Flory
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: has worked his way up, not as quickly as Kubiak,
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: but he's from the Shanahan school of thought when it
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: comes to offense. And I like the hire for the
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: Seahawks because I think it kind of keeps the status quo,
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: so to speak, offensively similar system, a lot of the
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: same playmakers outside of obviously Kenneth Walker, So I think
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: that Seattle is trying to keep things the same. San
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Francisco has churned out coach after coach after coach, coordinator
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: after coordinator, Demko Ryans, Robert Sala, Kubiak, now Flori, so
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: they've been accustomed to losing good time, and obviously Seattle
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: has been used to acquiring and then maximizing that talent.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, And did Flori show the what kind of
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: signs did he show as an offensive play caller, you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the potential to be an offensive play caller when he
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: was in San Francisco. I think another way to ask
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: you this, how much did it hurt Kyle Shanahan to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: have maybe some of his secrets leaving town and going
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to Seattle? Yeah?
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think Kyle Shanahan is in a
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: place where he's had to really look at the whiteboard
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: and say, how do I want to evolve or get better?
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Because offensively it's been a little stagner at the past
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: couple of seasons. Since they're there run to a Super
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: Bowl runner up in twenty twenty three. I think Flori
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: is a guy that sort of my biggest question is
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: is he someone that could be like a Mike McDaniel
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: who held the same role with the forty nine ers
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: as the run game coordinator. He didn't coach tight ends,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: but he was the run game coordinator before he left
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: to go to Miami. And so is he you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: somewhat of a you know, kind of a new school
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: sort of thought guy like Mike McDaniel, or is he
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: a guy who you know, has kind of just come
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: into to maintain things and and basically keep the ship
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: and the you know, the car on the road.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like he's a.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Little more that guy than a creative or some lot
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: of an imaginative sort of play caller like Mike McDaniel.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: But the one, the one thing that he has done
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: is work with great running running games part of me,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: and he's maximized lesser than offensive lines. The Niners, to me,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: though their numbers have been pretty good, they have not
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: been a great running offensive line. They have not pass
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: protected particularly well over the past couple of seasons. And
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: yet it's a team that won a playoff game last
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: year and then obviously got spanked up in Seattle. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: I think he's gotten the most out of a running
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: game that did not have a ton of talent outside
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: of Christian McCaffrey, and that, to me is what Seattle
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: Seahawks fans should be excited about him getting the most
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: out of that side of the offense.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Hittings is with us from ninety five to seven the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: game in San Francisco and joining us to talk about
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Brian Florey in our Seahawks one series, the Seahawks brand
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: new offensive coordinator. You mentioned the relationship with the tight ends.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: We have a colorful tight end with a lot of
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: upside in a J barner and automatically, some people here
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: who have seen the success of George Kittle and San
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Francisco are kind of wondering, kind of hoping, could he
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: turn into that type of guy. How much did Brian
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Fleury have to do with George Kittle's excellence, Well, I.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Think that he steered him into more of a dual
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: thread sort of of option when when he got here,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: George Kittle was the number one passing option just because
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: there wasn't a whole lot of talent outside of him,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: even dating back to when they made a run to
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: the super Bowl in twenty nineteen. You know, George Kittle
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: broke the single season tight end receiving record of the
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: year before was really good in twenty nineteen. But then
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: the last few seasons when he's gotten with Flory, I
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: think he's been allowed to flourish as sort of a
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: dual threat and maybe the best one in football, being
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: a guy that can get out of the backfield, do
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: damage after the catch, but also absolutely pound you in
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: the run game, and I think that's what's been the
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: most I guess I would call, you know, consistent part
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: of George Kittle's game, and I think with Aj Barner,
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: you know, this could be the opportunity for him to
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: establish himself as one of those tight ends that you
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: can't really you know, stack the box against because you're
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: not necessarily sure if he's going to beat you in
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: the passing game. But you also can't play dime or
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: nickel and keep an extra defensive back on the field
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: because he's going to absolutely, you know, graze you up
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: the field with his ability to block. So I think
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: that's where Floory is going to be able to help
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: him take the next step, is not necessarily as a
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: you know, a prolific pass catcher or someone that's going
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: for thirteen hundred yards and eight touchdowns a year, but
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: a guy that can be a threat for the Seahawks
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: and make their offense as much of a chameleon as
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: possible the way he did in Si Francisco.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: You have no way of knowing this, but since you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: know Brian Fleury a little bit better than us, having
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: covered him game to game there with the San Francisco
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers. What is your gut feeling aggressive as
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: a play caller, do you think or perhaps a little
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: more conservative? Is he going to be run happy as
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: you might have suggested earlier in our conversation, or do
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: you see him he couldn't wait to start throwing the
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: football around the yard when he got to be able
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to call his own plays and call his own shots.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: What how would you handicap it based off of what
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: you know of Brian Floury.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: From what I know, he seems to be like more
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: of a conservative kind of cat. But you know, the
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: one thing that he didn't have in San Francisco was
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: a number one wide receiving option, and that's something that
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: he absolutely has in Seattle.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Or do you notice I would love Yeah.
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been a nice little player the past couple
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: of seasons. There's no doubt about it. Yeah, jackson'smith and
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: Jigby is an animal, and so you know, the Niners
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: have had nothing close to that. In my opinion, even
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: when Brandon Ayuk was not off his rocker and running
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: fade routes off the team, I think he was nowhere
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: in his class. So I think that is going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: be where I believe Flory gets aggressive is he's also
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: worked with Stam Darnold. You know, he's had him here
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: in San Francisco, Al Vietnam as a starting quarterback, so
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: I think there's some familiarity along with an ability to grow.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: So my gut would tell me that he's going to
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: be conservative, try and run the football and establish that
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: that type of offense. But I do think that you're
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: going to see a guy that, contrary to what we
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: learned in San Francisco, is not going to be afraid
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: to dial up the deep ball, move the ball down
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: the field, and try and run up the scoreboard to
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: complement that obviously awesome defense.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Personality wise, he looks like a pirate. He's very soft spoken,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: and he seems to have a sense of humor. We've
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: had him on the station a couple of times. How
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: would you describe Brian Flouri's personality.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: I think he's pretty laid back, but he's also you know,
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: one part about him that I think gets a little
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: bit understated is the fact that he is analytically driven.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: You know, I think because he's soft spoken, like you said,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: he looks like he might have straight off the beaten
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: path at a time or two. He's a guy that
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: doesn't really give the vibe that he's, you know, digging
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: through Excel sheets day by day. But with Miami he
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: was the director of football research. You know, he was
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: an analyst before he got into his time with San Francisco,
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what attracted the forty nine ers
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: and Kyle Shanahan to him, the fact that he had
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: a kind of a traditional football background working his way
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: from the college ranks, and he's pretty much coached every
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: single position on both sides of the football. You know, linebackers,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: special teams, defensive backs, he's been a tight ends coach.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: He's done offensive and defensive quality control, he's been a
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: run game coordinator. He's done just about everything. But through
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: all of it, he's been analytically driven. And that's something
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty six that you know, maybe the average
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: fan doesn't really find sex to or feel is a
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: big part of football, but it absolutely is key to
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: being a successful organization. And I think the Seahawks have
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: been a great example of that. So I think that's
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: the part about him that I think people are going
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: to learn, hopefully over time, as he begins to share
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: more of himself that he is an analytically driven kind
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: of guy, and I think you're going to see that
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: reflected in some of his decisions on Sundays.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Last thing for you, Evan, would you rather Clint Kubiak
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: still be our offensive coordinator or Brian Florey be our
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator? As someone who follows and probably roots for
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers.
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: I think it's hard to not want consistency, to not
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: want a guy to stay in the same place and
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: sort of build, But I don't think there's honestly going
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: to be a massive difference. Kubiak is a good young coordinator,
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: but I think he took the Las Vegas job just
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: because that was path that he was on, and you
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: never know when those head coaching positions come up. You know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I think that Kubiak in a couple of years, based
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: on what the Raiders have been, maybe wishing that he
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: had stayed with the Seahawks and was contending for Super
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Bowls before going off to get another head coaching job.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: But you know, I think Flory is trying to one
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: day become the head coach. I think he's on that track.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Should he continue to succeed with Seattle, So I would
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: love to have kept Kubiak, but I don't think.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Ooh, we just lose Evan right at the finish line.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh man, we lost Evan. Is he back? Is back?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: He just heard him?
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Yep, there he is. Oh Evan, you're there. Oh no, okay,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: we lost him. Okay, I think we lost him. All right,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Well we were at the end anyway, and he is
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: from San Francisco, so I don't mind that it ended rudely.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: That's fun, That's that's all right. But that was good stuff,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: great stuff from Evan Gettings at ninety five seven the game.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: We appreciate him joining us here on the radio program,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and hopefully he's okay. Hopefully a meteor didn't crash through
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: his house and strike him while he was doing our interview.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I would like for him to have had one better moment,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: final moment than that.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he's talking a lot better moments. Yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm talking to us.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I you know, hopefully you know, I picture Evan
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: passing away by getting hit by a meteor while making
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: love to Anne Hathaway.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: For example, in fifty million years.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's that's what I that's what I envisioned for him.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: All right, We appreciate him joining us. Great stuff. That
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: was really good. Good breakdown of Brian Florey coming up next. Man,
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Caitlyn Clark, she's in the news again. Sports Radio ninety
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. I don't have a lot of
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: times weren get right to this here because Kaylen Clark
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: is back in the news again, all over the place
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: for videos, coach going off after the game, Caitlin Clark
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: having to explain what happened again in another press conference.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: In other words, Caitlin Clark is being headline news for
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: all the wrong reasons once again. And what an absurd
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: waste of an opportunity for the WNBA, What an absurd
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: waste of a talent that had generated more enthusiasm and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: an excitement for women's basketball than anyone in the history
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: of the sport. I agree with Charles Barkley when he
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago they could not have
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: blown the Caitlin Clark situation worse than what they have
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: in the WNBA. And I want to read something for you,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: and I can't. Look. This is the only thing I've
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: ever seen from this person this site, I feel like
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: I am obligated to, so I'm not plagiarizing to tell
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you where it came from. I have no idea if
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: they write otherwise about like punching puppies or you know,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: you know, cursing at little kids, I have no idea.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm not like saying, hey, you should follow this person,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: but I will say this when it comes to Caitlin Clark,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: whoever this is, they nailed this narrative and it's the
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Sports Patriot Again, I'm not telling you to follow them that.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what else they do. This came
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: across my desk not long ago. I've been sitting on
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: it for the right period of time to read it,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and I think it sums up exactly what has happened
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: in the Caitlin Clark experience since she went to the WNBA.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: So here we go. I'm just going to read this
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: for you. Caitlin Clark came into the game with the
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: joy of someone who stood, who still looked like she
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: remembered why she started playing in the first place. There
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: was a freedom to her, a little bounce, a little mischief,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: a little can you believe we get to do this
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: type of energy. This is what made people fall in
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: love with her before the WNBA ever figured out how
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: valuable she was. She made the game feel alive, and
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: that is why watching this season has been so hard,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: because somewhere along the way, the league that benefited from
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: her joy started testing how much of it she could keep.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: The hard the cheap shots, the strange whistles, the technicals
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: for reacting like a human being, the constant lectures from
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: people who should be thanking her, The media members who
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: keep trying to make her smaller, the veterans who seem
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: more interested in reminding her where she is than appreciating
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: what she brought. The coaches and league voices who keep
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: acting like all of this is normal. It is not normal,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and fans are not crazy for noticing there is a
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: difference between a young star adjusting to a professional league
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and a young star being hardened by a league that
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: still does not seem comfortable with how much she matters.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark did not just bring attention to the WNBA.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: She brought money. She brought ratings, She brought packed buildings,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: She brought new fans, she brought old basketball families. She
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: brought fathers, and daughters. She brought people who had not
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: watched this league in years. She brought the kind of
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: relevance leagues spend decades trying to manufacture, And somehow too
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: many people around the WNBA have treated that gift like
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: a problem to be managed instead of a miracle to
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: be protected. That is the tragedy, not that Caitlyn Clark
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: is facing pressure. Greatness always brings pressure, Not that opponents
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: are physical this is professional basketball. Not that she had
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: bad games. Every player does. The tragedy is watching a
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: player who brought so much life into the league have
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: to fight so hard to keep the joy from being
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: beaten out of her. Wow, that's it. Yeah, that sums
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it up perfectly right there. And then look, I know
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: that Caitlin Clark is a trash talker, and I know
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: that you know she's probably thrown an elbow or two,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm not sitting here saying that she's one hundred
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: percent innocent. But then again, when you are made, when
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: you are sort of made an object of everyone else's ere,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: you can't just roll over and take it. You do
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: have to fight back a little bit, and so you
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: do have to get sometimes as nasty as they're being
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: toward you. And I know there's an edge to her,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: and I know she's a trash talker and everything else,
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't think she could survive if those things
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: didn't exist. They are totally blowing this. They had never
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: had more momentum as a league and it was mostly
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: because of her, and they are just beating the joy
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: out of her. You can see it from game to game.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: And where is Sue Byrd? I realize she's perfect in
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: the eyes of everyone in Seattle. Where is Diana Tarossi?
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Where are the people that Leeza Leslie's of the world
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: that can recognize, hey, let's have a meeting.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: I mean they were, well, at least Diana Tarassi was
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: part of the anti at first.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: She's come around a little bit, But where are you?
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Where are the faces? Where are the voices of the
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: pioneers that are like, hey, we got a good thing
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: going here. Do we really want to chase her out
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: of the league? Last night she got choked slammed on
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: the court last night, got kicked by the person who
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: choked her on her way up, on her way from
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: standing up, and then apparently there was another flagrant foul
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: earlier neither of them even got cold during the course
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: of the game, and the opponents were laughing about how
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: a much larger, more physical player kind of man kind
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: of beat her up on the floor instead of oh
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: my gosh, what are we doing. What are we doing
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: to our golden goose. We're going to kill our golden
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: goose if we're not careful. She's not near the player
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: that she was. She doesn't this person's right, doesn't have
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: near the light in her eyes that she used to have.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: And she's actually getting nastier because it's a defense mechanism
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: against what's being done to her, and she probably doesn't
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: have any choice, but it's made her less likable because
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: of it. And it's this full circle that the WNBA
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: will do nothing to try and treat and try to
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: combat and try to make better. And if this thing
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: ends up flaming out and she flames out, and the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: WNBA goes right back to pretty much being ignored by
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the mainstream sports media, you have no one to blame
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: but yourselves. And I'm talking just about current WNBA players,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: but anyone that has had anything to do with this league,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: either in the past, present, or into the future.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't understand why it seems that people are
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: threatened by her and what she could bring to the
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: league instead of embracing it and going along with it.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Just because it wouldn't happen during like the former players time,
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean they weren't a part of it.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: They helped grow it. They got it to the place
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: where Kitlyn Clarks.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Can join the league and be a part of the
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: league and help it grow it even more. It's not
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: a Caitlyn Clark versus everybody else.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: It should be all of them in it together, as.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Well as Indiana Fever. I think I think her teammates
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: are behind.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: It, but who knows. Well, no, it seems like that,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: but who.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Knows if they are behind her? But I mean, this
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: is just not the way that this should have unfolded
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: when she came into the league, to have to fight
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: every single step of the way to try to have
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: fun on a basketball floor. But that's the way that
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it's turned out to be.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: Coming up next, it's trade season and Jeff Passen has
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: weighed in with some interest ideas. Sports Radio ninety three
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: point three KJRFM nine o'clock hour here on this Thursday,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Chuck Poul Ashley Ryan with you. Coming up a little
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: bit later on this hour, Seahawks one series recap. Also
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: one last thing to close us out before we are
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: done here, and of course another reminder that man, you
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: can head on up to the Tuleile Resort Casino for
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: all sorts of adventures. If you want to take in
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: the US soccer match tonight, maybe put a little action
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: on that. Maybe be around fellow Americans that love the
• 51:52
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• 52:52
  Speaker 1: obviously we are in trade season. We don't exactly have
• 52:56
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• 52:58
  Speaker 1: last night eleven to one, but that our first place team,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: and it looks like we are definitely going to be
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: buyers at the trading deadline, and it's hard to kind
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  Speaker 1: of figure out exactly what our needs are at this point.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: If dom Canzone keeps playing this way, I don't think
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we need another outfield. I think maybe he needs to
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: play every single day, even against lefties. Brendan Donovan's gonna
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: come back at some point. I don't know when. I
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: don't know if we have a third baseman. JP looked
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: pretty good initially, hasn't looked very good in the last
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: couple of nights playing third base, but Brendan Donovan should
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: be back soon, so I don't know, do we need
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: a third baseman? Do we not need a third baseman?
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: We certainly need somebody that can hit a left hander,
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: I know that much. We certainly are gonna need some
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: bullpen help because we can't keep our big five healthy
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  Speaker 1: at all times. And probably you can never have too many.
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• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it should, but it feels light
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  Speaker 1: right now for this team. The only thing that I
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: would safely say is what we don't need is a
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: starting pitcher, because we can't even figure out how to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: make a five man rotation right now, and we may
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: be wasting our best picture in the entire organization down
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: in Arkansas, correct, because that dude can't get hit. They
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: cannot hit him. So I would say we don't need
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. But I would say creatively, pretty much
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: everything else is there. Catcher, starting pitcher. Those two areas
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: we're going to go with what we got, But pretty
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: much anywhere else there's an argument to be made. You
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: can make an argument if it's the right piece and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: So since we are here at trade season, let's talk
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: a little bit about what could be on the horizon.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And one of the reasons that I wanted to do
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: this little exercise today is because number one, I love.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It right, you're a big trade fan, yes.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: And then number two, I've been touting Byron Buxton quite
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: a bit. I think it's the perfect fit. I think
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: it's somebody that can hit lefties, but of course he
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: mashes righties. I think it's somebody that improves our defense.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: And I don't care how you want to play it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: You could keep Julio in center if you don't want
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: to hurt feelings. We're really worried about hurt feelings this year.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: I'd personally not worry about hurt feelings if I got
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Byron Buxton, and I would put Byron Buxton in center
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: field and Julio, I think, is eventually going to be
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: our right fielder anyway. And I just go ahead and
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: make that move, because you don't just get Buston. He's
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: not a rental. You get Buxton for two more years
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: beyond this year. So that's three good runs. Now. He's
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: got an injury history, which of course is something that
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: has been saddled to Byron Buxton every single year, every
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: single moment of every single game. Twins fans are worried
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: that that play may have injured Byron Buxton again, But
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: he has been healthy er the last three seasons, and
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: he has been healthy est so far this season. And
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: so if I get a chance at him, I'm going
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: to use it to my advantage to kind of drive
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: down his price in a trade. But it's not going
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: to scare me off from acquiring him, nor would it
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: scare me off that Well, then we'd have two center fielders.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: What do we do? No, I'll figure that out as well,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: because whether I put Buckston a left field, center field
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: or right field, I know he's going to make our
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: defense better. I know he's going to make us faster,
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: and I know that he hits the crap out of
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: the ball. So that's the guy that I have my
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: eye on. And he would be here for two years
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: beyond this at just fifteen million dollars a year. In
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: other words, Randy A. Rose Arena, hits free agent in
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: the free agency in the offseason, coming off of maybe
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the best year of his career, prices himself out of
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: John Stanton's market. And now we've got the replacement for
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Randy or Rose Arena at that salary for the next
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: two seasons, and a better player, and a better teammate
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: and a better hitter. All of it we get at
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: the exact same price for the next two years. So
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that's something that intrigues me as well. Now they have
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: said that he's not going to wave his no trade contract.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Let me take that back. He has said he's not.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: They does not apply here. He himself has said I'm
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: not going to wave my no trade clause in my contract.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: So Byron Buxton seems to love Minnesota wants to stay
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I have argued on the air before, and
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'll just remind you my thoughts on it now that
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: I know he's saying that. But I think he's saying
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: that to protect himself from being traded anywhere the Twins
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  Speaker 1: want to send him. I think he does have a
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: list of There's no way I'm playing for them. I
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: think he's a smaller, small town guy who does not
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: want to play in a big market, doesn't matter how
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: good the Yankees, Dodgers and other teams are. I think
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: he's a small town guy. I think that's why he
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: wraps himself on that Minneapolis cloak right now, And so
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: I think that he would be open to going to
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: a better team like Seattle, smaller market where it might
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: actually work to our advantage this time. I think he
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: would accept a trade to the Atlanta Braves, who this year,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: unlike last year, do look like a World Series contender. Again,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: that's his hometown. I think he would accept that. I
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: think there's some places that if it came down to it,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: he would leave Minnesota for. But I think he is
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: saying I'm staying in Minnesota. I'm happy to be in Minnesota,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: just so that he doesn't open himself up to be
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: traded to someplace he doesn't want to go. But I
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: think he'd wave it. Most of the time, the players
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: do wave it, but you do have to mention this.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Twins are still in the race. So they also said
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: just yesterday, we're not even considering trading Byron Buxton because
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: they're right now in the Wildcard race like most teams
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: are right now. So there's some tricky things to it,
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: There's no question about it. We might have a completely
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: different scenario one month from now. I mean, trade deadline's
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: August second. It's June twenty fifth, right now. A month
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: from now, Byron Buxton might feel differently, The Twins might
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: feel differently, The Mariners might feel differently. We don't know
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen after a month of baseball, but
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I'm going to for the point of this exercise, explore
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: some other names that could be available that Jeff Passen
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: has recently brought to light. But make no mistake about it,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: my number one choice is Byron Buxton added to this
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: team at the trading deadline, and we'd have to give
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: up quite a bit in order to get him, but
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. That is a win now move,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: That is a win for the next three years kind
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: of move that Jerry and Justin could pull off.
• 59:33
  Speaker 5: Then.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've been high on Buxton for quite a while,
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: and I do think that everything he could bring to
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: this team would be obviously in one player, a big
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: bump up, as he said, with Randy Roserain potentially being
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: done with this team after this year, and just kind
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: of a swap salary.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, that works.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: That seems like something the Mariners would be interested in doing,
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: not adding more, but just being able to stay where
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: they're at. Yeah, and bring in someone they think it
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: could be a better fit.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, add some money for the rest of this season
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  Speaker 1: to your payroll. But by next season, obviously they're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to keep him for full year. Well that's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the natural trade off, is that you're going to probably
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: have Rosarina's money off the books, and Buxton just slides
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: right in and takes his salary, So you're not adding
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: to payroll in any way if you added Byron Buxton.
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  Speaker 1: But this is about this exercise today is about other
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: people who might be available, and Jeff Passing he's locked
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: in and he's very good. He pulled out a top
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: one hundred. He rated the top one hundred guys who
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: could be available at the trading deadline coming up in
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: a month, and he did ride ups on the top fifty.
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  Speaker 1: I believe now I'm doing this for memory. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it was the top fifty guys who did ride ups
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  Speaker 1: and put percentages next to him, like what you know,
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  Speaker 1: And then there was also portion of it that said
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: the likely candidates this person could be traded two well
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  Speaker 1: of the fifty guys that he listed, there were only
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: three where the Mariners were listed among the teams that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: would be interested in said player, and the three names
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: are Saya Suzuki of the Chicago Cubs, their power hitting,
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  Speaker 1: right handed veteran hitter whose contract expires at the end
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  Speaker 1: of this year, so that'd be a rental a role
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  Speaker 1: this Chapman, the I never Age flamethrower of the Boston
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox whose contract also would expire at the end
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: of this season, relief pitcher, and then Jaren Duran, once
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: again being brought up in Mariner's possibility rumors in the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: overcrowded Boston outfield, somebody that might not fit in that
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  Speaker 1: clubhouse has two more years left on his deal after
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: this year, but at a really reasonable rate, and so
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: he lists to him as well as somebody that the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Mariners might be interested in. Here are the reasons why
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: it probably wouldn't happen. I don't think that the rental
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  Speaker 1: thing is an issue anymore after what we saw from
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: the team a year ago with Naylor and Suarez being
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: added and it worked, so I think they're kind of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: over that hurdle. Before. They wouldn't really add a rental player.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think the rental aspect is the problem here.
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  Speaker 1: Problem is I don't. I mean, the Cubs are forty
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: three and thirty seven. They are a wild card team
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  Speaker 1: right now. I have no idea why Suzuki's even on
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: this list. I mean, they're not selling, and they're certainly
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: not selling a middle of the order hitter off of
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: their team. It doesn't matter how much pitching that they need.
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  Speaker 1: They're not moving Saya Suzuki before the trading deadline. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't even think it's even really worth considering, even
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: though great fit. Yeah, be really excited about that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: DH right Field whatever, I mean, he can hit everything
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: he can. Had left these righties, you know, multiple armed people,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: one armed people, hill, all of them. Yeah, he can
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: hit them all. So yeah, I like the idea of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: adding him as a rental for the rest of the season.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't see a world where he makes himself
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: available a role as Chapman would be really interesting. To
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: just drop him into that bullpen. You go, probably to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: the top bullpen, even better than San Diego's with that move.
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  Speaker 1: Now that Muno seems to be fixed, so interesting, I'm interested.
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  Speaker 1: One thing that you do have to take on and
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: they seem to be a lot more interested in clubhouse
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  Speaker 1: chemistry now than they were even two three years ago
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: with the Seattle Mariners organization. I don't know if he's
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: the best teammate. I don't know if he's the most
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: likable guy out there, and so that might hamstring it.
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  Speaker 1: But he's also somebody that was rented by the Chicago
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: Cubs once upon a time in a similar situation, and
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: he closed out a World Series for the Chicago Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: So he's fulfilled that role before in the past and
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  Speaker 1: has actual excelled in it. So I think that is
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  Speaker 1: a name to keep an eye on, possibly, and for
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: whatever reason, he repeatedly is getting mentioned to the Mariners
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  Speaker 1: and then Jared Durant just quickly on him. I like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: him as a player, there are there are some issues
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  Speaker 1: with him. There are some issues, and everybody in the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: league knows it. He's he's had some psychological issues in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: the past, and a lot of teams are scared off
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: by that. The Red Sox are scared off by that.
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  Speaker 1: They've been trying to get rid of him for a
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: couple of years and they can't really get any takers.
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  Speaker 1: But we've seen him play. He can play play defense,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: great defense, fast power, pop. He's a player, but obviously
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: all of baseball's a little worried about trading a lot
• 1:04:48
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  Speaker 1: And then let's add one other thing. He's a left
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  Speaker 1: handed hitter. That's we don't need another left handed hitter,
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  Speaker 1: because yeah, we don't need another one to clog up
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  Speaker 1: or already lefty dominant lineup. So of those three candidates,
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  Speaker 1: I'd say Chapman sounds the most likely. I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 1: most interesting, but the most likely. As a matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's the only one that they would be
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: interested in in the group. And so that's what we
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: had on his list. I was surprised that he only
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  Speaker 1: had three players, and the Mariners matched up with those
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: three players. There were a few other guys on his
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: list that might make some sense for the Mariners. Let's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: go through those. Wilson Contreras, we just watched him in
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: the Red Sox series. He's having arguably the best year
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: of his career. Now that he's settled in as a
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: first baseman. Now we don't need a first baseman. But
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: he can DH and be an emergency catcher. I suppose
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: he was just catching two years ago and had for
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: almost all of his career. He's having a great year
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  Speaker 1: now like Chapman, even more so than Chapman because he's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: an everyday player. Oh, there's an attitude there, and I
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: think it wears out. It's welcome pretty quickly. I think
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: maybe it could infuse some fight into this team that
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: they could use. Frankly, but he never makes friends wherever
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: he goes, whether on his own team or the other team.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe we could benefit from that and a short spurt
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: like for the rest of this season. By then, you
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: if you trade for him, you're also treading to keep
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: him next year. Same thing with like a Rose Arena.
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  Speaker 1: Seventeen million is what he's scheduled to make next year.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: Rose Arena makes seventeen million right now. So you just
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: swap those out and you are committing yourself to a DH.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's not a better first baseman defensively than Josh Naylor,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: but you'd have.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 4: A backup in case of a Naylor injury or a
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: day off or anything exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he could play some first base. I think he
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: could still probably put the catcher's gear on at this stage.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting. He certainly would add an element to
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: this lineup that we could use, and maybe he adds
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: a little bit of grit that we could use as well.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: Matt Chapman is an interesting one. I don't like Matt Chapman.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I think Matt Chapman is overrated, and I think he's
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: been overrated his entire career. And the Giants are paying
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: for the fact that they thought he was a twenty
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: five million dollar player, and they are locked in with
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: him till twenty thirty, which is why they're trying to
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: move him. They want to get rid of him. They
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: also want to get rid of Rafael Devers, Willie Adomas
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: and anything else that makes money, because they've spent a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: lot of money on a really bad baseball team. So
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Matt Chapman is a part of that. Maybe not the reason,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: maybe not the cause, the person to blame, but he
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: is certainly a part of being overpaid on a bad
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: baseball team, and so they're going to try to get
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: rid of him. Now. I know the Mariners don't want
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: him at twenty five million dollars, but I also know
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: the Mariners have been interested in Matt Chapman four years,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: and with all this third base uncertainty, you certainly are
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: going to get an everyday third baseman who plays gold
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: Glove caliber third base. And our defense has been weak
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: this year. It'd be nice to have one more answer
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: on defense that we don't have to worry about when
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the balls hit to him. So there's some value here.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Could you get creative? Could you say, hey, we'll give
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: you Luis Castillo for him. And even though the Giants
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: don't want a pitcher right now, they're going to start
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: a rebuild, a massive rebuild, in order to get through
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: a long get rid of a longer term contract for
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: a shorter term contract. It's kind of like an NBA move.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: The Giants might be interested in, Hey, we're out from
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: underneath Castillo in a year and a half, we're locked
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: into Chapman for the next three and a half seasons.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: We'll make this trade and then you know, the Mariners,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: they would get through that exchange and by twenty twenty
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: seven they'd be looking to dump him for anything, because
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: you know they're not going to want to pay him
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: through twenty thirty. But that could be a creative way
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: to go about this, and then the third guy is,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: let's face it, he's always going to be a candidate
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: in our eyes, Geno Suarez. Cold you imagine bringing him
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: back a third time.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 4: I actually thought about that not that long ago, and
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: I thought, would that just be the cruelest thing we
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: could do at this point to just keep bringing him back?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: And then and then he goes as a free agent
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: and signed somewhere else every offseason because the Mariners don't
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: want to pay him enough. But he's good enough that
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: we want to bring him back at half his salary
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: every year.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: He's not having a good year and the Reds have
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: kind of fallen out of the race, so he is
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: going to be available again.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Poor Gino.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think we'd do it. I'm with you. I
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: don't think that they would go down that road again,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: but he could end up being a cheap alternative at
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: some point in the season. And then, just quickly, I'm
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: just going to mention two other guys because I think
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: this is clever, and I'm going to give your friend
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: Alex Sakida a little bit of credit because I didn't
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: think of this. Royce Lewis from the Minnesota Twins, who
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: is a former number one overall in the draft, and
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: when he's been healthy as a twin he has been
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: ultra productive. But he can't stay healthy. He's played the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: most games he's played in a season as one hundred
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: and six. He's only played forty eight again this year
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: and this year for whatever reason, he's not playing well.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Oh but he doesn't make any money. He's incredibly talented,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and he's signed through twenty twenty nine, and you probably
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have to give up much of anything in order
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: to get him where he's at in his current state
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: in his career. Might not be a bad roll of
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: the dice, because if that guy clicks back in and
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: you can keep him on the field, oh he could be.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: He's a practice. He's one of those aircraft carrier touches.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: When he gets hot, I mean he gets as hot
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: as anybody. That's a pretty interesting idea. I'm gonna throw
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: out another former Mariner as one more clever idea. Okay,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Jorge Polanco.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: Oh well, when you said Gino, then I of course
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: immediately thought of Jorge.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: He hit three zho five against lefties last year, which
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: is what we need. He had two home runs off
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Terreksco in the playoffs last year. I mean, he has
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: not played for the Mets. He went for the money,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: he got hurt. He hasn't even played for the Mets.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: He's supposed to be back after the All Star break.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: Now he makes two years forty million dollars, which there's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: no way the Mariners want to pay that. But then again,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: we've got this Castillo contract, and this too many starting
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: pitchers for too few of a spots situation. This actually
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: could be a perfect little exchange they make. Polongo actually
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: makes less money than Castillo over the course of the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: next year and a half. If we're worried about Castillo
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: not being a functioning bullpen piece, but we know he's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: not one of our top five starting pitchers, then why
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: not Castillo for Polonco for the next year and a half.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Bring Polonko back, and we've got ourselves somebody that we
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: know has hit lefties recently, and somebody that knows and
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: loves our clubhouse.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that one you wouldn't feel as cruel.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I guess no, right, I'm he laughed.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 4: They wanted it back, the offered him, so that one
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: doesn't feel as cruel as just hejin know, we only
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: need you for this short amount of time.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Then we can't.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: We're your family up here.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah we're done. Yeah I can see it.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Then your good rides can hit the road. But yeah,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: all right, anyway, just some thoughts. Trade season is here.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I can't help myself and I feel a lot
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: better now. Uh, we've got Seahawks recap coming up next
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: our Seahawks one series. And so if you didn't hear
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Softy's thought on thoughts on Ernest Jones will replace some
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: of that for you next on kJ R.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: But I like your edition of.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: My Bobby McLaren just make up music with my body.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: You just walk around all the time, not worrying, You're
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: just happy.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. If he wants to make some percussion, he
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: figures out a way to do it under his.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Armpit, as he should.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Although don't do that in school kids. You will get
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: detention for it. I know from experience.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: You've got to be a professional music body musician like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Bobby mcfaern Grammy Award winner to get away with that. Yep.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, basically you can do.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: It under your leg too, as it turns out. Oh yeah,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: for an even more robust musical.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Note that one might not have gotten me detention.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you can just do it straight with
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: your mouth, as McFerrin has taught me. Yes, go straight
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: to the fart noise. That's pretty easy and convenient. It's
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: kind of like a you know, kind of like a kazoo.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Anybody can play.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: It, I guess.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can just blow into it the mouth kazoos,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: but some people all are better at it.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not saying you can be. I'm
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: not saying you could go to Carnegie Hall on it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: When you said kazoo, I thought Harmonica and I was like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think anybody.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Maybe you could just make noise.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: But you can make noise kazoo or like the party things.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and make noise out of that.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Bobby McFerrin can do that with his tonsils.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Wow, he is a special human.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is Chuck, it is Ashley with you. It
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: is time for our Seahawks one series recap. We've been
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: doing this all month long, and we have till tomorrow.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: That tomorrow is our last day, and yet I'm kind
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: of frustrated about a couple of things. So maybe tomorrow
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: won't be our last day. Yeah, I'd explain that later.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Might have to make some adjustments.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: We might have to make some adjustments, kind of like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Bobby McFerrin.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: That's really the motto we live by.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: My leg show. My leg pit is broken, But I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: really want to make this really loud fard noise. How
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: am I going to do it?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: And then it's what can I do with my belly?
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Maybe I can do it with my belly. Who knows.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so tomorrow will be the last day of it.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Every single show during June, we've had a different analyst
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: on to break down one key Seahawk player for one
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: entire interview. Yesterday we had our own David Softy Mallert
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: with us, and he chose our middle linebacker Ernest Jones.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: And yes, John Schneider did it again at the trading
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: deadline three years in a row. But Jones is really
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: the one that you know, he was the one in
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: the middle. Leonard Williams was the one that got this
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: run started, but then Ernest Jones has added to that lexicon.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: Here's Softy.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's ever been a Seattle sports team.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the Mariners, the Sonics at the deadline,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: the cracking at the deadline, the Seahawks up until the
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: last couple of years at the deadline where they've gone
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: out three years in a row and just hit a
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: home run the way John Schneider has at the trade deadline.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: First was Leonard Williams that it was Ernest Jones, and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: then it was Rashid Shiheed, Right, I mean that's three
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: years in a row where they just hit freaking bombs
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: at the deadline, So good for them. And then number two,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: the difference between this franchise and maybe other teams in
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: town and other franchises in the NFL. Does anybody remember
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: the famous linebacker duo of Dotson and Baker from.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Back in the day.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, remember those two knuckleheads, and John Schneider and
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: Mike Donald looked at those guys and just said, not,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: this ain't gonna work. We ain't gonna get to go
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: where we want to go with those two guys running
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: around at linebacker.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: Let's go make a move for Ernest Jones.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: So the fact that they gave up on both of
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: them and swallowed their pride more John Schneider I would
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: think chuck than McDonald. But the fact that they were
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: able to just, you know, admit a mistake and just
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: not compounding the mistake and go out and get Ernest
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: Jones at the deadline. I just think it just shows
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: you where this team is at in regards to winning.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's the number one thing. It's all that matters.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Nothing else matters besides championships for this franchise. And they
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: prove it with moves like that. So that's number two,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: and then number three. I just remember watching Ernest Jones
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: play when he first showed up, and I'm asking myself,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: why the hell did the Rams and.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: Titans give this guy up? Yeah?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: Like what I mean, what was it about Ernest Jones
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: that wasn't working there? Because I think you're right over all, Chuck,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: and I've said the same thing that the best thing
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: this team does is the brain of Mike McDonald, right.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, his schemes, his philosophy, his defense. He is
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: the absolute number one reason I believe why the team
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: is where they're at right now. With John Schneider right
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: behind him, but man for him to identify Mike McDonald,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: excuse me, for Mike to identify Ernest Jones and Tennessee
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: even looking back at maybe some of his ram tape
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: and say, hey, this guy's a good player, but kind
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: of nondescript, right, Not many people around the NFL are
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: talking about Ernest Jones, and then he comes here and
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: he's basically the leader of the best defense in the NFL.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. A pick from Heaven, A pick from Heaven,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Ernest Jones. If Heaven had foul mouth.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: Dames, which my Heaven does.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, it doesn't mean they're bad people, right, No.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: It just means they have colorful language.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: They do, and they like to express themselves through the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: majesty of curse words. But yeah, I'm with him. I mean,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: they're they're killing it. The trading deadline in the National
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Football League doesn't have a history for being all that
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: aggressive in trades. It's getting more so that way, which
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I love, you know how much I love trades. I
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: don't know if you heard the nine.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: O'clock segment, never heard it, No, I was in here.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: But the NFL as a whole is getting more aggressive
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: about that, and I think that plays to John Schneider's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: strengths because he might be the best in the business
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: at pulling off trades in the National Football League in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: three deadlines in a row. Come away with Leonard Williams,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: Ernest Jones, and Rashid Shaheed, all great pieces to that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: championship run last season. Here's the other thing. And I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: brought this up to Softy. I think people see Ernest Jones.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: I know I do, and I see just an older person.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: Plus he played for the Rams and then he was
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: with the Titans. And sometimes when you're exposed to a
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: team twice per year with the Rams, you convince yourself,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, that that guy's been around forever. Oh,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: I had Ernest Jones. Seems like he's been in a
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: pain in r ass.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: For a decade, like the same amount of time is
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: And then he goes to the Titan. So he's now
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: he's been on two different teams, and it kind of
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: felt like when we traded for him, I'm like, well,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: there's a good veteran we can get the last year
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: or two of his career. And now he's been a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: Seahawk for two years. He's still just twenty six years old.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very young.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: He's twenty six. It's he's got an older face. So
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I think maybe looks older. He is twenty six. There's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: no reason he couldn't play at the top of his
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: game for the next five years minimum. I mean, he's
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: going to be around here for a while. As he said,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not going anywhere. He told us that before he
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: signed his contract extension. Yeah. Uh. And so I think
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: that I'm not saying that Worr, we haven't seen the
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: best of Ernest Jones. We probably have, but there's no
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: reason why the best we've seen about Ernest Jones won't
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: last for a good while longer.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I'm not saying that Ernest Jones is on
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: the level of Bobby Wagner. But we thought we'd seen
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: the best of Bobby Wagner, and Bobby Wagner still had
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: a lot to give.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: And so I think that Ernest Jones still has a
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: lot to give.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: I think it has a lot to give.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Lots lots. It's a capital L and.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: They give it, and it gives you sort of comfort
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: because you really do have to kind of remind yourself, like, oh,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: if we can get two more years out of Ernest Jones,
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: wait a minute, twenty six and we can get seven
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: more years out of Ernest Jones at middle linebacker. We're
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: gonna be in. Really, I mean, that's there's no reason
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: why he couldn't play for at least five more years
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: at his level, and at middle linebacker even beyond, because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: that's one of the few positions in the National Football
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: League where you can afford to lose a half a
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: step and still because it's played so much with instincts
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: and technique, uh and and know how and knowledge. Yeah,
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: I think he's going to be around for a while.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: You can still wreck crap, Yeah, Ernest Jones been huge
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: for this team, all right. One last thing next Sports
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