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La distribución y suministro de los combustibles renovables · Movilidad Renovable

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Renewable mobility, the platform program for renewable fuels, very good afternoon. Third
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stage of this program, in which we will know a little more about these
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fuels. We have already known how its origin occurs and today we are going
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to approach those who bring it to us, that is, redistribution, almost
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from the time they leave the refineries until we put them in our vehicles,
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an efficient network that allows us to be totally supplied without any problems when going
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to refuel. But we will also discuss how you can further encourage your use
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of the bet you make on this offer and check how you are increasing that
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use day by day. So we already started mobility so renewable, you know,
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with the collaboration of the platform for renewable fuels, renewable mobility. With
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Miguel San Martín begins the renewable mobility meeting and, as we always have with
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us, Aimés Cardenal, who is the spokesperson for the platform for renewable fuels.
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And isn' t it a very good afternoon? What' s good
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afternoon too? Let' s also greet, first of all, we have
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it in Galicia, to Miguel Sánchez Campos, who is the Secretary of Codega
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today, Miguel how about very good very good afternoon? Greetings to all of
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you. Thank you for the invitation to participate here in the third chapter of
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the renewable mudia with the platform, because now we are also discussing Víctor García
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Nebrera, who is the Secretary General of Beccar, which is the Spanish group
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of retail vendors of fuels and fuels. Victor, how are you, very
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good afternoons? Very well we are accompanied by María Ortiz, General Secretariat of
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UPI, the operator of independent operators of the energy sector. How about very
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good afternoon, Miguel and everyone and thank you for the invitation and Carlos Molina,
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who is the commercial director of Exolum, which is the old milk,
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because we are not going from the hydrocarbon logistics corporation. So, well,
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I don' t know where we started. I believe, Miguel, that
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it is a very interesting program because it will bring us closer to a reality
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that we often take for granted, and that is the capacity that this sector,
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the carbon distribution sector, has before for as you said to make such
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an important product to consumers. We see it as very, very easy to
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get to the gas station and refuel. But behind that, because there'
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s a lot of work, there' s a lot of investment and I
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think they' re going to bring us closer to that reality. First of
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all, with carlos to tell us a little how this process is and that
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network so extensive that you have in Spain to cover big capitals, but also
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the smallest publicillo, because it is effectively as described Sex. Lum is a
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leading company in Europe in the transport and storage of liquid bulk and, in
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particular, in Spain, we have a very extensive network that includes four zero
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kilometers of pipelines and thirty- nine storage terminals widely distributed by geography, without
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having fuel terminals at the airports themselves. And besides, this is just exol
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one place. Indeed, there are many other storage finishes of other logistics,
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with which in Spain we have an excellent platform and starting logistics. And that
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is a clear strength, because, as we will now discuss, sustainable fuels
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ultimately rely on it and benefit from it. Of course and you, that
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' s the same thing you work with other fuels, you' re also
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doing with renewables. In fact, renewable fuels are already a reality today because
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they rely on this highly developed logistics network that already exists today and is one
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of the great advantages and virtues that enables their development, because they do not
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need the creation of a new infrastructure, but only require the adaptation of this
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infrastructure for these sustainable fuels. And all this, because they are allowed to
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benefit from the economies of scale and the efficiency of the Spanish system. Spending
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with you, with Mary also tell us a little how you do and how
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you take advantage in quotation marks, Well, we, among our associates,
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also have storage terminals. Then I can only confirm what Carlos has said,
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but going further in the network of storage, transport and supply, because what
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we can say is that here there is no need to renew fleets, vehicles,
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ships, planes, machines by the end user or the economic sectors and,
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as Carlos said, no need for a new infrastructure. So, well,
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that means, first of all, technical adaptations may be necessary, because
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there are studies that have already made minimal adaptations from the point of view of
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the world, but not to replace everything. So, what does this mean,
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because it means in the first place, because a huge cost savings,
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immense and because if not the end user would pay for it. And it
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also means saving time in the race to decarbonization. Another gas oil distributor,
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in this case is codega soil Miguel you also have in different associations in the
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autonomous communities to distribute diesel. Yes, we are the tives of methaliferous busts
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directly to the facilities of our final consumer customers, and we also transport for
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the filling stations and take the product, as farmers, to cooperatives and to
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the final customers as caliphators. For us the renewable combus liber and that is
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why we adhere to the platform with much, to say, strength and enthusiasm,
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because for us it is the present, the renewable fuel. But it
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is not only the present, it is also the past and the future,
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because fuels already existed. That' s a novel thing, it' s
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a thing that exists, what happens, that is also the future, because
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we' re going to do a kind of synthetic combustibles that, as María
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Ortiz and Carlos Molina rightly said, that is, they won' t need
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any kind of adaptation of the infrastructures and let' s keep in mind that
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it' s a product that just all the tractor vehicles and we transport it.
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And in the new storage facilities petrolism products, whether it is exploum as
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those of the Seruitte stations or those distributed of gutos pedrogis, will have no
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problem of any kind of adaptation. Given that the mobile park is very important
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and the cost of adapting all this would be unthinkable in the short to medium
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term, we would be talking in the long term. What we need is
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an economy in which it works and this is the present and it is a
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future. Of course, we have to fight for this and that is why
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the European Union has already totally ruled out the possibility of ictrification of everything,
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but that is why the Ubanization is being abandoned, but it is known that
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it is renewable. And we finished this first exhibition with the one closest to
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us, with the Victor service stations. Yes, well, everything that has
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been said, I confirm it and for us as stations, because, of
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course, this is fundamental for several reasons. One, because we have that
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network that is said to be there are almost thirteen zero filling stations in Spain
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that collect throughout the national temponio, that there is no point that gives you
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this shortage and, therefore, is that very important network of the largest in
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Europe. That' s it, it' s there, so you don
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' t have to create it again. We' ll even adapt to other
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things, but it' s already created at the same time. And secondly,
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because we do believe that biofuels, which is a current, current reality,
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can contribute in a very basic and fundamental way to decarbonization. This is
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what we intend to broadcast in the third and we think it is chapter.
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In addition, there is another important point, which is the economic one,
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and that is that you do not have to make great investments in the network
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of stations, practically none, because it is not a product that is stored
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differently or that is served to the customer in a different way. Get out
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of the pure hose go to the car. So we want it to be
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fundamental and that, indeed, because it is already, already, there,
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it is a reality that is not perhaps a little animal that what we are
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doing to that demand, that they are testing it for you. You'
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ve got those white, white, small, big stations all of them.
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Yeah, well, I guess we' ll have this in the debate to
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cheer this up. And there are already experiences in other countries, because yes,
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it is not just our thing. It is also a matter of regulation,
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it is a question of being realistic with this transition, which has to
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be two very important things, which has to be realistic and fair. And
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it is to accomplish these two things because as they will now come out in
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the debate, we have to stir things up a little bit and we also
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have to contribute the regulations. Long live to remember that we will surely have
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new listeners today. I hope every program many more. To remember that renewable
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fuels in the end are the same gasoline and diesel fuel that we refuel today,
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but instead of being made of oil, made from raw materials alternative to
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oil that in the end make them zero target emissions, for example used cooking
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oil. We remember it, we were talking about it in the other episodes
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agricultural and forest waste, therefore, same product, with the same benefits for
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the consumer, but with a very important advantage for my environment is that,
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as I said, its net emissions are zero no. And, well,
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to remember what we' re talking about exactly when we' re talking about
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renewable fuels, they also hear what they were doing with silver skin, not
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because if olive bones come on, the residues are infinite. Many options And
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well, although now, if you want to ask any questions, I don
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' t know who will answer me, but this weekend more, I was
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really in Andalusia and that is that Miguel has commented. I was asked the
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tractors will also be able to use renewable fuels. So we say it'
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s one of the sectors. Yeah. We say yes, because it is
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one of the sectors that have the most adaptations their engines, because the melectric
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motorization we consider that it would be no viable moment and that is why I
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was talking about it being the past. We are already using an important part
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of the product they supply to us. Wholesalers have an important part of the
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video. Therefore, there is no problem with the combustion engine that our farmers
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can continue to operate with their entire transport fleet, with all their scrapping machinery
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repairing the collection of wheat saying that they do not have to be concerned,
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because they will really follow everything. And considering that in the two thousand thirteen
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there was even a tax advantage, which is the one we promoted from the
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platform with respect to the vios, the part, the excise tax on the
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vio fuel was exempt. That' s why we also say you have to
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give us an apo. Then, Government, I have felt, through Community
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directives, that I should be exempt from excise duty, as it was up
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to two thousand thirteen. The fuel video. I don' t know if
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it' s a theme too to be able to beat. Well, yes,
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well, it' s a very important issue because, for example,
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of course the, the issue of price is fundamental for the citizen and,
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obviously, for some fuels that are sobvinceolated let' s not forget that when,
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for example, we cast GLB, because it has a different tax than
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the one that has the gasoiro, the gas jerp is the attic of oil.
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In order to understand this, taxi drivers' chocolates, not that they
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used to be mumponas, are already a malicious deposit that must be at zero
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eighty out there, but they don' t see more or less. No,
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but it is that the French, for example, have made an experience
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in France and with it eighty- five who are usable of eighty- five
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percent of such and fifteen percent of gasoline, because the same tax has been
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applied to it because it is actually a fuel that pollutes far less infinitely less
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than eighty- five percent, less than one do of sonic and then the
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tax that is applied to a fuel that is supposedly less polluting, and the
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result has been that consumers have bought it and bought it and it is succeeding
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and it is being a real success, because the car is going very well,
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that is, the car does not suffer, but goes very well.
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Of course, we must also encourage countries to produce, not carlos, or
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simply subscribe to what we are saying. Demand must obviously be attracted by recognising
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the environmental value of sustainable fuels and simply transferring it appropriately to the final consumer,
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so that there is no discrimination over technologies that unnecessarily favour one or the
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other. We believe in that and subscribe to that technological neutrality not so much
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mentioned. Yes, a little bit I think all of them have said it
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too. Taking advantage of what we already have, not Carlos, has been
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humble, because now he will tell us more. In other words, Spain
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is recognized as one of the most efficient logistics systems in the world, and
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that is not said in them, says the International Energy Agency. Before all
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that infrastructure that we have that I think can tell us a little more Carlos,
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because it is so special with respect to these countries. Taking advantage of
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it would certainly be the most efficient as a country, because thanks inés,
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we are fortunate to have a logistic system that, as you say, has
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been recognized and not by us, but internationally as one of the best logistic
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systems in the world. Historically, it has been recognized for the security of
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supply that gave before all kinds of events, for the efficiency in cost,
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because, being a system with that distribution and that proper design, it gave
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a lot of efficiency in cost. But now, in addition, we have
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to consider the environmental angle, and it is very interesting that the logistic system
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in this not only has those virtues, but is also one of the most
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efficient in terms of energy and environment Environmentally, speaking thanks to that wide distribution
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that we have of oleducts and terminals. On the one hand, the average
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storage terminals are less than fifty kilometers from the end points of consumption, making
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the latter part of the truck a modest part. There is a large part
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of the transport that takes place through the soleoducts. The pipeline is a very
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efficient means of transport because energy is the most efficient of all and it consumes
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electricity that is increasingly of renewable origin, so we are not aware. But
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the system in Spain, because it allows the savings every year of three hundred
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and fifty zero tons of c or two, which is equivalent to removing from
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the circulation every year more than one hundred zero vehicles. It is a system,
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therefore, that will certainly contribute that to that efficiency and that these new
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fuels will use it and are using it. Whether it' s a reality
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to get to the end points of consumption maria yes, well. With regard
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to taxation, which is what we were talking about, because it is also
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technological neutrality in taxation and recognition of renewable fuels, because technological neutrality is proclaimed,
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but it is not practiced. And how do we get it started more,
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how can we encourage that, how do you think, then, going
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from forgiveness, forgiveness yes, yes, Mary, because, moving from the
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programmatic and the philosophical to the practical, because, for example, he starting
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with the same PENIEC that is the National Integrated Energy and Climate Plan, that
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bets everything on two technologies, that are electricity and renewable gases. But it
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is that renewable fuels ignore them, ignore the potential deliberately and not to mention,
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it does not even speak of the life cycle, of energy, which
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is fundamental to ensuring decarbonization. And then, then, when it comes to
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making concrete decisions for both regulatory and economic implementation, because we only see measures
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that, let us say, constrain or encourage supply and demand towards those two
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technologies, then it is that we put it into practice. Yes, yes,
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the subject is clear from Europe raised a bit of a regulation that we
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understand to be restrictive because it does not cover all technologies. In Spain it
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has been the same line and I believe that the fundamental thing is also to
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reach a realistic point of truth of how we can reach what we all want
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the emissions to be in the third. So, of course, this does
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not necessarily go through a revision of the regulations, that is, the twenty
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- sixth year is going to be reviewed in Europe. I don' t
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know if it' s even sooner, but there' s a limited time
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limit in twenty- six. It' s going to go back for a
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spin if the combustion recklors have to exist or not, because let' s
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not forget that when you talk about the combustion vehicle, what pollutes is not
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the combestion vehicle. It can contaminate the fossil fuel that is put into a
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combustion vehicle, but if you put an ustilia that is not fossil, such
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as renewable fuels, it no longer pollutes, that is, the combustion engine
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itself does not pollute. Then it' s important. This goes back to
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the same thing as always saying very important that there is already this whole network
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of the line of products, of distribution, of logistics and, moreover,
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that it is one of the best in the world is so. We cannot
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say with pride it is not by And besides, there are also cars,
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because it is that in space snot cars are sold, because the economic reality
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of the country is what it is. And the electric car sells little,
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because it' s more expensive. And then in the cars they' re
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done, not even the gasses are done and the gistics are done. What
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needs to be done is encouraged by those who have to keep that little push,
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at least don' t push. Of course, especially Victor has cited
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it without prohibitions. In the end we are banning certain technologies because, as
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Mary said, only a few are betting. And then, well, then,
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at the end that we are telling the consumer today that his only alternative
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is to buy an electric car. And the reality is that, as Victor
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said, a combustion engine powered by renewable fuels is just as climate neutral.
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And one very important thing before I talked to Miguel, for example, about
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decargonizing the countryside is that Spain is not Madrid and Barcelona, is that there
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is much to decarbonize in the rural world, for which it is going to
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be absolutent and indispensable that they have renewable fuels, they have more seniority and,
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moreover, they will not have the possibility to install in each town recharge
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points, in small electrical agricultural points, they will not have the possibility and
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much less with the machinery. But even for the day to day is not
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feasible. So, almost all of us are doing this programme precisely to make
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it known. I do not know whether that is the lack of awareness of
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the consumer, of the user, so that, apart from the policies that
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may or may not come into being that encourage the use of these fuels.
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For example, with regard to what we have talked about, one example is
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the support for fleet renewal that should be given, since it does not take
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into account technology. And there are examples in Spain by some autonomous community,
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such as Galicia, that is Miguel where they have given aid to the renewal
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of the fleet, independently of the technology. And that is a concrete example
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of neutral measure by allusions of Miguel, yes, from Galicia and from the
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Confederation, from the whole sector of the distribution of products destined for the use
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of mobility. We are towards what is the environmental environment, neut and disorganization.
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We believe that it is quite the opposite, that is, we are
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promoting something that pollutes us and is completely discharged. And for that reason,
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as Maria rightly said, in Galicia, neutral measures have been implemented since the
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council in the sense of favoring the use of energy that is genuinely renewable according
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to the interests that may be economic. European economic wool clashes with the reality
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that the reality is that everything cannot be identified, and the reality is that
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everything we talk to a multi- energy sector, but it remains the most
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important energy is fuel and renewable fuel and it is the present and it was
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the past. It' s what we already had, the scene is that
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economic interests took us more into the fossil because they' re older. But
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that is why real investment, both from the business point of view and from
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the political functionalist point of view, has to be in favour of the noble
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combustible and we are going to show it to consumers and to all people through
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the platform and then through the meetings we have with politicians, in order to
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really be with a fiscal unification, because if there is the phrase that the
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polluter shuts down, we do not pollute and, therefore, we need that
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tax bonus that will favor the use of this kind of fuel effectively and a
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little more expon carlos. It occurred to me now if you see that this
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demand is gradually increasing, because you also distribute according to needs, obviously,
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and by the way, also a second question, if you know a little,
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what the situation is in other countries. On the first question, sustainable
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fuels are, as we say, a reality already today and it is a
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growing reality, a regulatory framework that states that a path must be followed and
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is being followed. Today. We already manage more than 2 5 billion liters
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of sustainable mixed or pure, but they are already relevant volumes. There is
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a framework that in Spain and in many other countries sets out a very clear
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path of growth and that is our ambition. Our ambitions to provide broad support
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for the multiple sustainable fuels that will be required in the energy transition, in
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the different uses that we require. Perhaps in order to do so in line
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with the questions that were raised earlier, since everything subscribed to and added certainty
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in the regulatory framework is very important for those who invest in the very long
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term. We have heard this in previous programmes with regard to producers. It
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also happens to the logistics. We invest with long- term investments, and
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it is important and complementary to this that neither infrastructure is demonized by the fact
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that both the Conventional and the new Greens are used, which seems that if
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the financing does not go only for green molecules, if that infrastructure is used
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for some things and for others, because efficient financing is restricted which is a
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problem for infrastructures that a great value and without energy is precisely that they are
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used for one and the other. And in Europe you have with other colleagues,
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let' s say similar operators also if there is more that demand,
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if you apply more less distribution. We are active in eleven countries in Europe,
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in six of them, that is, we have our own experience and
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it is certainly a growing demand. There are national frameworks that set growth at
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each site, common rules, but it is certainly a wave that is progressing
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and our ambition is to follow it and promote it perfectly. Yeah, yeah,
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I think there' s one important thing that' s that we'
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re already using the videos, that is, people looking at people who can
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actually be afraid of what happens if I put in a fuel slip and my
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car that knows that already in energy volume we' re at ten eleven percent,
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eleven panta percent. We have to consider that every once and for all
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to each and every one of us commenting on this, we are avoiding eight
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hundred thousand tons of cedos missions. I mean, if it isn' t,
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it isn' t, then we should make a road map and it
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' s made us a hydrogen road map. A note has been made of
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a road map for the ctification, a road map for renewable fuels. And
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aside from this, what I would like to emphasize is that this is the
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most, the most important thing. I mean, if we want to have
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a new network of other energies that we don' t do to them,
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that we think that my energy of the future is going to be my enorgetic,
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no, but we can' t rule out any and today the most
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realistic thing to increase, to reduce the emissions arecio two And there are already
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companies that are checking it, transport company that are doing their tests and are
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getting mission reductions of eighty- five percent. It is renewable fuels and we
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have to make a transition, as I said before, that is fair and
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realistic. And this, and if you will allow me, a peña quote,
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said Adriano, Roman emperor character of de de de de Sevilla, not
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of Italica. I already said that the worst law that can be made is
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the one that is impossible to comply with. That' s the worst law.
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So we can do it, we can try to get the rules that
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we want right now, but the scratch is what it is and people want
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a fuel that they can use, that it' s there, that'
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s with their car, that' s where they' re always recharged,
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their fuel, that' s quick to say it' s good for them.
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No, and I think that right now with what we' re sitting
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here, we' re going to do, what' s sitting, and
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what the rites that are listening to get used to and value the whole production
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chain, the whole distribution, and the end point. With this we have
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finished so that Victor García Nebreda, Miguel Sánchez Campos, Carlos Molina, María
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Ortizi and, as always there are cardinals. Thank you so much for accompanying
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us these minutes and for putting this bit of sand to make possible the diffusion
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of what renewable fuels are and how they can improve us, especially the environment.
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Thanks a lot to the five of us. Thank you, Thank you,
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good afternoon, Renewable Mobility, the platform program for renewable fuels Madrid,
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