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Del Bigtree Goes Off The Record with Dr. Roger McFillin · Radically Genuine

• 00:00:15:25 - 00:00:35:24 Speaker 2 Hey, there. Welcome to Off the Record. This is actually a very special one. As you probably know, we're taking deeper dives and off the record, putting it out Friday evening. So if you're watching, certainly comment below and see if you like this approach to this. I want to thank you for joining us today, and I really want to thank our guests, Roger McFillin 00:00:35:26 - 00:00:47:12 Speaker 2 So board certified clinical psychologist, if you had it all to do over again, is that would that be your specialty? Coming through college, this was my calling. 00:00:47:15 - 00:01:10:01 Speaker 3 Yeah, I knew it. The the day after I graduated undergrad, I thought I was going to be a teacher in a football coach. Yeah. And I just knew I wasn't in my heart to be a teacher. And I ended up landing in a children's psychiatric hospital with kids under the age of ten. So kids in a psychiatric hospital that young, as young as 4 or 5 years old. 00:01:10:07 - 00:01:39:03 Speaker 3 And I know God put me there because I saw the atrocities of psychology firsthand. This was back in 1998 through 2000. And it was like right in the, I think, the the height of trying to identify emotional problems as brain conditions. And these kids were kids who were coming from violent backgrounds, clear post trauma reactions, abuse, victims of the worst regard. 00:01:39:03 - 00:02:07:10 Speaker 3 And then I saw how the medical system treated them. They drugged them with multiple drugs, all experimental. I saw kids deteriorate, sleeping 16 hours a day, having the range of side effects such as tardive dyskinesia really suffering. I saw real suffering and their outcome measure for whether, you know, quote unquote treatment. And I use that loosely. Whether that was successful was how sedated and compliant can a child be. 00:02:07:11 - 00:02:30:12 Speaker 3 And I thought that was an atrocity and horrific. And I vowed internally to learn as much as I can to try to make sure that this doesn't become the norm. Took me to get my doctor in clinical psychology, start a practice advocacy, study these drugs, how they came to market, and do everything I can to alert the public to prevent such a scenario. 00:02:30:13 - 00:02:44:15 Speaker 2 And as you're in, you're seeing all this in university. So obviously are there like experts jumping look how good we're doing. I mean, they're presenting it to you like this is your future, right? 00:02:44:22 - 00:03:20:01 Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, we talk about it as terms as a scientific advancement. And you realize that the emperor has no clothes because I'm interested in science as you are, because I always saw it as to protect the vulnerable, that science was a search for truth. And if we didn't have some objective measure of trying to analyze and understand the effectiveness of any intervention, then we were subjected to medical tyranny and authority figures being able to use diagnoses to in some ways even reduce the freedom of individual. 00:03:20:02 - 00:03:39:00 Speaker 3 Because we've seen this throughout the course of history of psychiatry is very simply they can diagnose a political dissident and then incarcerate. This is one medical profession that can incarcerate people for a diagnosis, not on the objective medical test. And you have to wait for a hearing. And for people who've been in a psychiatric hospital, that can be worse than jail. 00:03:39:03 - 00:03:46:21 Speaker 3 Like, could you imagine a psychiatrist diagnosing you as delusional for your stance on anti-vaxx? 00:03:46:24 - 00:04:10:23 Speaker 2 They've I mean, we've seen the headlines where they try to say it's a psychosis to be against vaccines. You know, I was joking recently. I mean, you know, I guess if you're clinically insane, if insanity is not agreeing with the status quo or agreeing that this is how the world works and that this is all normal. Yeah, right. 00:04:10:24 - 00:04:37:22 Speaker 2 I mean, I mean, in some ways, if sanity is the system I'm looking at, then I am not. I'm not saying by your definition, right. It's a really weird place to be because more and more of us are finding ourselves. Not at peace, not not in flow with how the world is working. Now. 00:04:37:25 - 00:04:50:27 Speaker 3 You brought up something at the end of your show that really intrigued me and makes me think we might be on the same wavelength here. And you're talking about this in terms of being anti-life. Yeah. What do you mean by that? 00:04:50:29 - 00:05:22:16 Speaker 2 I you know, I think if I to reference my governing principle, I say that I'm a natural law guy. When I am finding myself confused in situations about what's happening sometimes, you know, medical decisions or I mean lots of different things, I'll find myself saying if I if there was tear away, like I pictured myself standing stark naked at the beginning of the earth. 00:05:22:16 - 00:05:49:19 Speaker 2 And what do I know? What is not? What is the natural thing that someone does with this information here? Take away all the television sets, all the opinions. What is my natural instinct? What's in my DNA? What is what is endowed to me by my creator? What's my connection to my creator on these things? And when I say life, I feel like. 00:05:49:21 - 00:06:20:18 Speaker 2 There's a freedom to understanding that you're taking care of. There's a nurturing idea that I have of my concept of God that I'm designed to thrive. Thriving, maybe, is a great word around life, the ability to thrive. And I think I find many of the experts in the world, especially everything around health and sciences, seems to be limiting my ability to thrive. 00:06:20:19 - 00:06:54:09 Speaker 2 Yes, my ability to find my my greatest self. And I think that, you know, I never thought all this work would get political. But I find myself looking at the Constitution and our founding documents as these guys. This was about health, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. And this document discusses rights that are endowed to be by God, that I'm creating the image and likeness of God. 00:06:54:10 - 00:07:04:17 Speaker 2 There is a brilliance to that. And we have the only that I know of, the only nation that revolves around a. 00:07:04:19 - 00:07:32:08 Speaker 2 Creed, if you will, that the more I pursue my greatness as an individual, the greater we are all going to be as a whole. Whereas everything else around the world is the greater whole matters and overrides your personal needs, desires, and greatness. You must certainly you know some form of some socialistic or communistic. I must care what everybody else is thinking. 00:07:32:15 - 00:07:39:23 Speaker 2 And I was lucky to have parents that taught me the opposite. My mom was like, I don't want you to ever care what other people think. 00:07:39:25 - 00:08:12:22 Speaker 3 Well said. I'm even extend the conversation because I believe I'm entirely in the pro-life pro human camp. And here's what I mean by that is there's a respect for the interconnectedness of all of nature and of God's design, even in awe. There's no way we as a human species could fully understand how everything is so interconnected, and there's a hubris involved with trying to intervene there through various forms of technology. 00:08:12:22 - 00:08:39:16 Speaker 3 And I mentioned this on the previous segment about Hardin's first law of human ecology. This is all of ecology. When you intervene with anything in nature, so you're interfering with God's design, there is unforeseeable consequences. And I saw the psychiatric industry and the mental health industry as intervening in the natural order of things. I see human beings as very resilient. 00:08:39:17 - 00:09:01:12 Speaker 3 So when you go through something very challenging, the emotions that generate are not symptoms of some illness. It is your body and your soul providing a signal. And that signal is there's something either dangerous in your environment or you have to get back on your path. And we're supposed to not mute those singles, but those signals, especially not with any pharmaceutical drug. 00:09:01:13 - 00:09:28:27 Speaker 3 We're supposed to move that energy, and we are energetic beings, and the paradigm is off in which we practice medicine. And to some degree, there's a paradigm flaw in the way we see all of reality because we are energetic beings. And so what happens when you intervene with what is natural in our health care system? And this is where there's a parallel between vaccines and other pharmaceuticals, especially in the psychiatric industry, because we're intervening with a natural process. 00:09:28:27 - 00:09:54:08 Speaker 3 And we have the hubris to believe that our intervention, without even evaluating this long term, that we can somehow predict a response. But here we are. Yeah, chronic disease epidemic, mental health epidemic. All of those are predictable consequences for intervening in all of nature. And my question to you is, because I've heard you talk about this, it seems to me that we're under attack. 00:09:54:11 - 00:09:59:12 Speaker 3 Yeah. And what's the end goal? 00:09:59:14 - 00:10:26:11 Speaker 2 Well, I mean, I think if I was to where I find myself more and more is I do find myself in a darkness versus light, which I think a lot of people talk about good versus evil battle. And I think sort of like, you know, Hitler shuts down the churches. You know, they shut down an idea that there's something bigger that's bigger than all of us, that connects all of us. 00:10:26:11 - 00:10:51:02 Speaker 2 I think we are very much now. And when I especially when I think of science and medicine, we are very much becoming an atheist society that is governed by the intelligence of mankind, of men. Men in lab coats become our living, you know, theocracy or living gods, and they can make the human body stronger, better than it was. 00:10:51:03 - 00:11:20:22 Speaker 2 They can improve upon where design. It has at his core that you are flawed. You're born flawed. Vaccines being the perfect description of that. You were born diseased. You were definitely think about how different these two worlds are. One is the first story ever told the Old Testament. You're creating the image and likeness of God, or you were born diseased and your child is dangerous to every child around them. 00:11:20:25 - 00:11:49:05 Speaker 2 You could not have more diametrically opposed positions on that. And then, and I really am. I've always been concerned about psychology, psychiatry, because one of the things I say is if they're mandating vaccines now, they want to be mandating SSRIs in the future, and we're seeing more and more of it. We're seeing laws being passed in Illinois and in you know, we've been talking about Pennsylvania. 00:11:49:06 - 00:12:19:04 Speaker 2 These guys are crazy. These are pharma driven, you know, governments now that want to give more power to the school teacher than to the parents, to the school nurse then and you know, and you see HPV vaccine can now be given to your children without asking permission because they lump it in with giving away condoms. And you just see this, you know, regression into that terrifies me. 00:12:19:04 - 00:12:56:11 Speaker 2 And frankly, I think medicine's at the forefront. I don't think it's a part of it. I don't think it's a small side artifact. I keep saying people are like, oh, you're that vaccine guy. You're that medical freedom guy. I think we're sitting on the most important story. If we lose this, if we lose control of our own body, if we lose the ability to walk naturally on this earth, if I'm not allowed to be born into this earth and walk through it, drinking water and the food that God has put on this earth, that I need to do something to myself for other people, for institutions, inject myself, you know, take drugs, do this, then 00:12:56:13 - 00:13:07:19 Speaker 2 we have completely lost the dream of America, the dream of our founding fathers, the dream of God, the dream of the Bible. It is dead. 00:13:07:21 - 00:13:30:18 Speaker 3 I know that your audience. You know, this conversation doesn't feel radical to them. But for a lot of the American public, this feels radical. And the reason for that is because I think the last frontier is human consciousness, that we are walking in and to a degree of enslavement. And that's what's happened, is mental enslavement through the use of technology to the point where it's been used. 00:13:30:18 - 00:13:53:15 Speaker 3 The word multi-generational psyop on our segment earlier. And here's what I mean by that. It starts with the public school indoctrination system, where you're pretty much trained to follow orders, and then you submit to various forms of authority. In our culture, the doctor, the white coat has been identified as the authority, and it's been pushed on American television. 00:13:53:15 - 00:14:22:18 Speaker 3 You know that better than anybody. And we have learned to submit our own, our own intuition, to disregard our own beliefs and values to the authority in some form of fear. And that that came full circle in Covid. Yeah, but there's other forms of authority as well. And you see that with all the data collection that exists right now, is there is a psychological profile done on most Americans. 00:14:22:23 - 00:14:47:04 Speaker 3 You know, from where you're going to what you're purchasing to what you're what you're searching online, so they know exactly how to infiltrate your consciousness and to influence you. And so I believe that if we're ultimately going to be free and we're moving closer and closer to 2030, you know that it's not too far from them being able to have control over our money. 00:14:47:05 - 00:15:08:18 Speaker 3 Right? The banks right now, the laws have been passed. Your money isn't yours. So you can be enslaved by this digital world. And what that means is the next crisis that occurs. It's much more than lockdowns. Like they restrict where you go, they restrict what you put into your body, and you have to follow the state orders, or you're not going to have the freedom. 00:15:08:18 - 00:15:36:27 Speaker 3 They'll cut off your money. It's a China based system. I'm from Pennsylvania. So what's going on right now with, again, trying to give unprecedented rights to state health authorities? To be able to violate your own constitutional rights is something that everyone in Pennsylvania right now should stand up against and resist this. Like, understand that they are not our authority and illegitimate. 00:15:36:29 - 00:15:59:08 Speaker 3 We have a fundamental right to have to resist that. And when it is anti-life and it is anti-God, any Christian that's out there, your only 30 is God. That's it. And anyone that interferes with your free will and tries to force any intervention or control mechanism on you is a violation of God's design. 00:15:59:10 - 00:16:23:02 Speaker 2 One of my favorite books, and I actually got the opportunity to direct the play was One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Better than the movie. People go, oh yeah, I saw the movie. The book is so insanely good. I don't know if you've read it, but more than just the book, what's fascinating is it's written from the perspective of chief, who's described as being over six feet tall, somewhere near seven feet tall. 00:16:23:04 - 00:16:49:20 Speaker 2 But he thinks, you know, he's this big. And so the whole book, you know, he meets, I think McMurphy is this wild character that comes in the insane asylum and just keeps telling them how tall he is. How tall. What are you talking about? And so and even the book is written from he's seeing he's looking up at everything and slowly as as McMurphy is getting through to him, you see, his perspective of the world around him is changing. 00:16:49:20 - 00:17:12:13 Speaker 2 And then you've got Nurse Ratched, who's this authoritarian figure that's drugging them all the time, and of course, doing all sorts of lobotomies on people and electric shock. And, I mean, I grew up, I grew up thinking about psychology and psychiatry that way. And it really I feel like they're after our children. I feel like they are, you know, they are. 00:17:12:15 - 00:17:32:07 Speaker 2 When I one of the first projects I did, I was doing an online show years and years ago, before I was even on the Doctor Phil show, and one of the kids working with me was on Ritalin, and he would talk about it like always be taking his Ritalin. He also was drinking like five monster drinks. We stopped at a Starbucks. 00:17:32:08 - 00:17:53:19 Speaker 2 He'd get a coffee with five shots of espresso, and I was like, you're intake of caffeine is insane. Did anyone were you drinking caffeine like that when you were diagnosed with Add ADHD? He's like, yeah. Is there anyone ask you how much caffeine you were? At what age did you start drinking that much caffeine is like, I don't know, nine wow, ten. 00:17:53:25 - 00:18:14:22 Speaker 2 And so I think he was put on riddling at like 12 or 13 and said, did anyone ask you, do you drink caffeine or sugar or how much are you taking in since you can't Sicily. No, nobody. And I just it's that and he's on this drug, you know, probably the rest of his life. Even worse. I mean, it says, I mean, am I right? 00:18:14:22 - 00:18:19:22 Speaker 2 It's like a methamphetamine, right? We're like, we're we're turning our children in a meth addicts. 00:18:19:23 - 00:18:29:17 Speaker 3 Exactly. First of all, you're wise to be skeptical of the entire mental health industry because they themselves have been indoctrinated. 00:18:29:18 - 00:18:50:11 Speaker 2 So that's what I want to ask you about. Yeah. I mean, it's not like I know they mean, well, they, you know, they go into this system and it was like you're saying, doctor Ziva said they're well, what they're doing ultimately is getting to be more and more evil. It doesn't mean they're doing it on purpose. Something is, is either training them to not see what they're doing. 00:18:50:12 - 00:19:09:12 Speaker 2 What is it? Because, I mean, this is worse. This is really in many ways worse than vaccines. I mean, I did a story here, the 13 like girls, like at seven years old, can't sit still, put her on Ritalin. Now she's screaming. Her parents put her on SSRI. I mean, just and it's just, you know, sort of like the mother we're talking about with the postpartum. 00:19:09:14 - 00:19:13:03 Speaker 2 What kind of doctors doing that? What is wrong with you? 00:19:13:10 - 00:19:38:05 Speaker 3 Well, I think the greater the greater conversation is how do you influence and manipulate a population. So at least in one respect from psychology, what that actually is is the study of human behavior. So the mental health field is large. It has psychiatry, social workers, counselors, psychologists. So I do study human behavior. Yeah. But so does intelligence forces. 00:19:38:07 - 00:19:39:15 Speaker 3 So to behave units and. 00:19:39:18 - 00:19:45:00 Speaker 2 Flights and lawyers. Right. We all make a living studying human behavior. 00:19:45:02 - 00:20:12:18 Speaker 3 You know, how you really influence and control a human being is you provoke fear. And what you do is you engage that reptilian, animalistic side of the the survival aspect of our brain. Right? Because we are so fearful of being pushed outside the tribe. And each tribe has its own leaders. And so it's almost like we've evolved to this point to be somewhat tribal. 00:20:12:18 - 00:20:37:18 Speaker 3 That's why, you see, this is used in politics to divide. It's rarely about issues anymore. It's really about the team that you're on. But you do that. You provoke fear along with an authority figure. And so in in medicine, science or whatever, the published research becomes the authority and it's becomes religious, right. Like you have to worship that authority. 00:20:37:19 - 00:21:00:28 Speaker 3 God forbid that you break outside of what the dominant standard narrative is in your profession. Now you're provoking that fear to be outside of the tribe. Now you add in regulatory bodies and associations, and we know that they will target an attack. Anyone who is a free thinker and opposes what the standard of care is. We saw that during Covid. 00:21:01:05 - 00:21:21:26 Speaker 3 My license has been investigated twice just for speaking truth. So you don't have independent physicians to the extent that we used to, or any mental health professional or medical professional, of course, there's always the exception. You know, they they stand against the grain, they speak against their profession, they focus. 00:21:21:27 - 00:21:23:05 Speaker 2 Well, you're an exception scrutiny. 00:21:23:07 - 00:21:49:24 Speaker 3 I'm an exception in my field. And there's a ton of others that that really stood out during Covid. But that fear provocation is a way that you control people. So we see these through the the obedience studies that were done in the 1960s. We know that human beings will follow orders. Now, the indoctrination that exists in medical school and in psychology and mental health is very similar. 00:21:49:25 - 00:22:21:08 Speaker 3 Right? You get you have to cite published research. We assume that because it's published, its undergone some scientific scrutiny and analysis. And what's interesting is that if we're meta researchers who try to look at the conclusions or the title of a study matching the statistics, they have found that 85% of published research is, first of all, fundamentally flawed in its design. 00:22:21:08 - 00:22:47:10 Speaker 3 But the conclusions don't even meet the statistic analysis. So we've taken this term science, and it's no longer this inquiry and search for truth. Instead, it becomes the trademark science. So you follow this, it becomes a standard of care. And so it's really become an arm of totalitarian control medicine being one of those arms in mental healthcare, you're really influenced by Marxism. 00:22:47:12 - 00:23:24:09 Speaker 3 So there's this idea that anyone who may be struggling is the victim of some. Either it's an institution or a parent or a person. So it pushes this victimization narrative while at the same time telling you that whatever you're feeling is invalid, and it might be related to some unknown medical condition that requires a pharmaceutical. So you validate the person, struggle through some, you know, fake made up condition, but then at the same time you also victimize them. 00:23:24:11 - 00:23:53:05 Speaker 3 Two problems right there. You push psychotherapy as as an intervention. And so what is majority of psychotherapy is, is this underlying belief that's false, that the more that you can talk about what is wrong, the problems that exist in your life, you almost release it from the subconscious, you emote it and then you heal. This is a fundamental lie because where our attention goes, our energy is going to flow. 00:23:53:07 - 00:24:12:17 Speaker 3 So you enter into the therapy system and you bring your attention to everything that is wrong with you, and you're starting to even create this version of reality where there's an oppressor and a victim narrative, and you enter into it so you can see how the Marxist infiltration of class, of gender, a number of these things that have created this. 00:24:12:22 - 00:24:41:04 Speaker 2 Is that is that what they're teaching you is to define, to really isolate people out. So they've sort of siloed or categorized themselves as a very specific set. I mean, this is my judgment of it. As I've said, it looks to me like we are being trained to find our specific genetic code of victimhood. I'm black, gay, you know, Catholic, you know, all of these things. 00:24:41:05 - 00:24:48:09 Speaker 2 And it's not these aren't benefits. It's why I am especially EFT. 00:24:48:10 - 00:25:10:24 Speaker 3 Well, it pushes again tribalism that identity marker. And the one thing about and why I put myself in a pro human camp fully is that we're all here. We've all incarnated. We are souls in a body for a specific purpose. Who am I to ever judge that in any challenge or difficulty that exist on that journey isn't for you? 00:25:10:24 - 00:25:41:20 Speaker 3 And that's what I believe, and this is how I approach all my work. Anything that has happened to you is happening for you. Why? Because they're transformational. I also believe that your soul. So you're here to learn and evolve. So if I always thought this was the number one antidepressant, because if you adopt this mentality, I don't think you can ever struggle with depression is if you believe everything is happening for you, because you look at all challenges that exist as opportunities for you to expand consciousness, be able to sometimes even get on your path. 00:25:41:20 - 00:26:07:24 Speaker 3 And I've when I take this approach, I've seen people have gone through some atrocities, horrific trauma. We take this approach. I've seen these people become the wisest people I know. Some of them start business. They they advocate. They became loving parents. They learn love through the process. That does not happen when you identify with victimhood. That does not happen if you take a drug that is anti-life, think what an SSRI does. 00:26:07:24 - 00:26:18:11 Speaker 3 It blunts and mutes your entire emotional state. And then we call that healthcare. It's a drug that can that can create permanent sexual dysfunction. 00:26:18:12 - 00:26:25:19 Speaker 2 That blew my mind when we had someone report on that a couple of months ago, 50%, more than 50% of sexual dysfunction. 00:26:25:20 - 00:26:29:02 Speaker 3 But it can be permanent. Can you imagine? Imagine being a 16 year old? 00:26:29:02 - 00:26:54:15 Speaker 2 No, I can't imagine any product being on the market that robbed someone of such a fundamental part of our human experience. Want to talk about what does it mean to be know life? You want to take life away from somebody, take away their sexuality? I mean, it's such a huge part, but how? What are they telling students in university? 00:26:54:16 - 00:27:12:19 Speaker 2 What is the SSR? Here's what we're doing for these people by dragging their victimhood out in front of them, realizing that it's insurmountable. And now what? We drug them. And then look what we've done for them. I mean, there's nothing positive about that. How are they making that positive? 00:27:12:20 - 00:27:25:10 Speaker 3 Well, first of all, it's a clown show. So people just, you know, repeat like they're a parrot over and over again. People have no understanding about the trials, have no understanding what the drug actually does. They just repeat the narrative over and over again. 00:27:25:16 - 00:27:31:14 Speaker 2 Same about vaccines. No, no pediatrician knows what's in them. But the trials are what they found. Didn't find none of it. 00:27:31:15 - 00:27:44:14 Speaker 3 Absolute embarrassment. So you go into university, which is going to view the medical system in some ways as saviors. They're going to view these diagnosis as validation. 00:27:44:17 - 00:27:49:24 Speaker 2 Are they are they power tripping people? Do they want that authority over human life? 00:27:49:26 - 00:28:16:04 Speaker 3 It certainly can feel like I don't want to paint with a broad stroke, because I have met so many people who just honestly and truly are good people. They're actually sensitive people, and they believe we've created these institutions to be able to support the most vulnerable. They're just not critical thinkers enough to actually evaluate that statement. So you're told in in graduate school that if someone presents and we'll call it depression, right. 00:28:16:05 - 00:28:36:21 Speaker 3 They've medicalized it as a disease, that it is your responsibility to refer them to a medical professional. And they've inflated all the science around this, the outcome research to say it's a safe drug. So you're you're conditioned there. They lie about the efficacy and the safety of the drug. And then they tell you if you don't, right, you're violating your ethics. 00:28:36:21 - 00:28:58:07 Speaker 3 This is outside of your lane. Send it to a doctor. Well, my entire career I've the I'm the one who has focused and studied this drug. I'm the one indicating physicians because this is pushed in primary care. Most of these drugs, I think 85% of the drugs are actually pushed in primary care. And that's where the are. These primary care doctors have zero idea about what this drug is like. 00:28:58:09 - 00:29:25:17 Speaker 3 They're just following protocol medicine. That is the harm of this corporate medicine world that we're in is they don't really have a choice. Someone fills out a checklist and then it is on them to have to provide them a standard of care, regardless of that, standard of care is the safest and the most efficacious. So they just become parrots who have to they have to prescribe the drug because the liability for them is if they don't follow the standard of care. 00:29:25:20 - 00:29:48:18 Speaker 2 And there's nothing that triggered. I mean, I mean, I have met people. They're like, I just finally realized I'm not helping anybody here, and I'm putting kids on six, seven, eight drugs. But how is it you don't see what has to be dead inside of someone that says, I took a bouncy little kid that wasn't sitting still, and I've turned them into a catatonic zombie that wants to kill themselves. 00:29:48:18 - 00:30:13:05 Speaker 2 Do they? I just don't understand how there's nothing like what you do to someone that they don't see what they're doing. This. This story of this mother Clancy 13 drugs. Is that so? Is that doctor thinking, wow, got on 13 drugs? I'm really rocking it now. I'm going to win an award for greatest psychiatrist of the year. I mean, you're not like this. 00:30:13:05 - 00:30:19:09 Speaker 2 Something wrong with what I'm doing? I'm drugging the living hell out of this person. 00:30:19:11 - 00:30:22:10 Speaker 3 Don't you? Don't you see this in any way to be spiritual? 00:30:22:12 - 00:30:23:22 Speaker 2 Yes I do. 00:30:23:22 - 00:30:24:25 Speaker 3 It feels obvious to me. 00:30:24:26 - 00:30:27:11 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:30:27:13 - 00:30:49:23 Speaker 3 The more we get disconnected from our divine nature and think of all the interference that exists. From drugs to the poisons in our food to entertainment, distractions, that phone we become much more or less in tune with our empathetic, energetic nature. So like when you and I. 00:30:49:24 - 00:30:54:24 Speaker 2 Say good, that word empathy is is what's lacking. You're just disconnected from the person. 00:30:54:25 - 00:31:15:07 Speaker 3 You're completely disconnected, and you can't get that done in a 15 minute. Got 15 minutes even long now, eight minute, you know, appointment in the medical system because context is missing. And that's what happened in the Lindsay Clancy case. No one knew her. Nobody knew what was really going on with her. It's just they're doing a job and they're being completely disconnected from the emotions. 00:31:15:07 - 00:31:31:02 Speaker 3 And that person as a human, how have we become so disconnected from each other that we can act in that way, that I can only come to the conclusion that this has been more of a spiritual battle, and we're well on that. 00:31:31:03 - 00:31:48:00 Speaker 2 Has it always been a spiritual battle, or did did science and medicine start in a place that was good but lost its way, or has it always been sort of being driven by let's move people away from their spiritual connection? 00:31:48:02 - 00:32:03:05 Speaker 3 I look back at the origins of Rockefeller medicine and the allopathic model, and that certainly seems dark and intentional. 00:32:03:08 - 00:32:22:26 Speaker 3 When you're these specific families who hold a large degree of the world's wealth and you're drinking raw milk and you're using natural medicine, but you are now trying to control an entire industry that is more than dark. 00:32:22:28 - 00:32:33:16 Speaker 2 Enforcing the opposite on everyone else. You're going to have petroleum based drug products while our family is using homeopathic as we know to be true about Rockefeller. 00:32:33:24 - 00:33:07:02 Speaker 3 Yeah. And then, you know, there's this underlying current of contempt for the human being, whether it's the technocratic state, these world leaders that convene for their conferences, the World Economic Forum, there's this utter contempt for the useless eaters. Yeah, the useless eaters are us, our families, those who are the engines of this culture and the society. They push lies about overpopulation. 00:33:07:06 - 00:33:52:01 Speaker 3 They try to. And to me, this is where it's spiritual. It's an anti-God right? A pure disdain for the pure human. So they're trying to intervene in every single way. And this is my concern with even what's what's happening in the movement is on some aspects, we're doing great work on others, it seems like we're still kind of pushing us slowly down to this technocratic world where we believe we can play God and we'll use wearables and other technology that is, you know, again, surveillance state monitoring us and trying to again use all different types of technology to intervene with our natural development. 00:33:52:01 - 00:34:15:10 Speaker 3 And so we have to be really aware and awakened to this movement towards transhumanism. Yeah. Because that absolutely is the defining moment of our time. I believe it's why we're here. I believe it's why you were here. I think I've told you that because we are spiritual beings in this human experience. We're eternal beings. This is all temporary. 00:34:15:12 - 00:34:35:01 Speaker 3 The more that you attach to this carnal world, this ego, and just your physical body, the more you're going to be in fear. And fear is going to allow you to be controlled. But when you when you see yourself as eternal being, that you're going to be accountable for every choice that you've made on this planet, I think it's for us. 00:34:35:01 - 00:35:00:08 Speaker 3 I think it's of God. I think it's for our evolution, for our purpose. You begin to think greater. You can think about where you can serve humanity. And then when the time comes that you have to display courage, you're not going to fall in line because you see yourself as a child of God. You see yourself as an eternal being, and you're is not the medical professional or the government, or you're even your local police. 00:35:00:08 - 00:35:22:11 Speaker 3 The courage is for all of us is knowing that there is more of us than there are of them. Divided we fall, united we will stand. And so shows like this in movements like this have to be around us, coming together, not dividing us in fear in any way. It's got to be a movement of love. And love is the most powerful energy. 00:35:22:11 - 00:35:43:01 Speaker 3 It's a creative energy. It's a healing energy. You know, we have a good friend. Both of us is Doctor Ben. Ron, you're going to be speaking there this weekend, and he has this great book and podcast called Design to Heal. And I think where he's powerful in his message and where he's parallel in his work is he is recognizing that we are eternal beings and we have this amazing capacity for healing. 00:35:43:01 - 00:36:02:10 Speaker 3 But this also comes from sovereignty, sovereignty of the mind. You have to know that you are a free individual creator of your own existence. And if you are in fear, if you are in lack, if you are in limitation, you are going to be controlled by that authority figure for what? To try to just live as long as you can. 00:36:02:13 - 00:36:21:02 Speaker 3 You know that's not what this is about. That's not why you come here. So that's why we have to expand this conversation more spiritually and to understand that where you shift in humanity right now, we are moving and shifting out of a dark age, and it's going to just increase and increase the attempts to put us in fear and division. 00:36:21:02 - 00:36:31:09 Speaker 3 And it is up for leaders, those who are understand to be children of God, to not allow fear to be the guiding mechanism of your life. 00:36:31:12 - 00:37:00:00 Speaker 2 A lot of people will say, I'm right there with you, I get it. Yes, I see the controls. I see they're using fear, but they're coming after my job. They're they're changing the world around me. I'm not. People are really afraid, you know, the ones that are waking up, you know, but they still feel powerless. And then there's this huge question of they. 00:37:00:02 - 00:37:27:26 Speaker 2 Okay, right. And I've been sort of saying, I'm I'm going to journey to find who is they. And in some ways, as I talk to you, psychology, psychiatry it's a huge it's all of our public health officials, our mental health officials. It's writing commercials for us. It is governing political places. I mean, the Democratic Party is clearly ensconced in being the party of pharma. 00:37:27:26 - 00:37:49:01 Speaker 2 Not that Republicans aren't taking part in it some to, but who is? I mean, let me ask you this. Do you feel like we can just blissfully be unattached to the fear control center of the world? Can I just walk? I mean, I want to be able to say to people, just turn off your TV. It's not happening. 00:37:49:02 - 00:38:07:23 Speaker 2 Right? Just I want to have a, like the movie network back when I was a kid, you know, was I'm mad as hell. I'm not going to take this month, throw my television out the window. But would that actually get us there? Because spiritually, let me let me reframe it this way. It's an argument gone in my family since I was born. 00:38:07:23 - 00:38:32:27 Speaker 2 My dad's the meditating guru guy, and my mom's the warrior Mohawk descendant who would drag me to march against, you know, Rocky Flats in Boulder, which was the nuclear facility. So I had my dad would always say to my mom, Norma, you're just feeding the darkness. Your fight against it is feeding it right. And I and I grappled that when I got into this vaccine issue. 00:38:32:27 - 00:38:53:16 Speaker 2 Like I'm about to do what my mom does. I'm about to tell people, you were under attack. Wake up my, you know, and then my dad would be like, well, I mean, if I'm attacking my feeding. And where do you sit on that? How do we get through this? Because I'll say rolling over and giving in leads to people ending up in concentration camps, right? 00:38:53:17 - 00:39:07:03 Speaker 2 Not fighting. I mean, do you find peace there? What is is there a correct place to be? Can you fight and not feed it? Can you release and not get sucked into it? Can you? You know what I mean. 00:39:07:06 - 00:39:11:00 Speaker 3 Yeah. The question is, how bold do we want to get on this conversation? So if we. 00:39:11:01 - 00:39:11:26 Speaker 2 Let's go bold. 00:39:11:27 - 00:39:15:20 Speaker 3 Let's go. So you stood up there before and you said. Am I in a simulation? 00:39:15:24 - 00:39:34:21 Speaker 2 Yeah. Right. I do, I judge, by the way, I don't talk about this a lot. I judge my life by how far behind me, how many feet in my way from the tub of jelly from the matrix, where they just pushed me back in and slapped the the hoses. And sometimes I think, I feel I feel that tub in the back of my knees. 00:39:34:23 - 00:39:36:09 Speaker 3 Okay. Let's entertain. 00:39:36:10 - 00:39:36:19 Speaker 2 Okay. 00:39:36:21 - 00:40:07:12 Speaker 3 For a second that there's some truth to that. Okay. That you are in your own learning simulation. Okay, okay. That your soul descended to a third dimensional reality of polarity. Okay, okay. And what that, I mean is you came to learn in the most challenging of circumstances. You learned love. And it's dialectical opposite, which would be loss, pain, courage in response to fear that consciousness is primary. 00:40:07:14 - 00:40:23:10 Speaker 3 It's fundamental that you are true consciousness, living in a collective field where you what you are creating inward is then being energetically emitted into a field to bring back learning scenarios for you. 00:40:23:11 - 00:40:23:26 Speaker 2 Okay. 00:40:23:28 - 00:40:33:01 Speaker 3 Now I'm telling you, that's not radical. Why is it not radical? Because this stuff has been studied. If you're aware of the Monroe Institute, are you aware of them? 00:40:33:02 - 00:40:34:04 Speaker 2 I've heard of it. Okay. 00:40:34:08 - 00:40:39:04 Speaker 3 Yeah. I mean, they've they've partnered with our own US government for remote viewing. 00:40:39:06 - 00:40:40:03 Speaker 2 Remote viewing. 00:40:40:09 - 00:41:07:19 Speaker 3 It's clearly a identified and evident will use the term evidence based contract, meaning you can remove your consciousness from your body and place it somewhere else. We use it in a cold war, so that in itself might be new to people. But let me tell you a little bit about Bob Monroe. Bob Monroe was in the 1950s. He was one of the premier owners of radio stations across the country. 00:41:07:20 - 00:41:31:11 Speaker 3 Corporate America guy okay. And he started experiencing out of body experiences when he was going into sleep, where he was interacting with what would be termed his own guides or guardian angels, and he was actually traveling and being able to cross dimensions. He was so scared of the experience, right, that he went and got full medical workups, went to psychiatrist, went in the medical system. 00:41:31:11 - 00:41:49:25 Speaker 3 Am I having seizures? What's going on here? And he kept it private for quite some time because this is something that became routine for him, and he was being exposed to understandings of reality that were outside of anything he had ever seen before. So he did what a an engineer would do. And he said, I want to study this. 00:41:49:26 - 00:42:19:01 Speaker 3 I want to study what is happening to me. And he started the Monroe Institute, which I believe was in Virginia, and he aligned with various academic labs around parapsychology who were studying this at this particular time. And he was teaching people how to do it. He believed that he could induce the state of consciousness to remove your body, remove your soul, your consciousness from your body, and trained other people to do it. 00:42:19:03 - 00:42:46:04 Speaker 3 We can if you want to learn right now, you can go to the Monroe Institute and do that to some extent. We we do this. We do this when we daydream. We might do this in our own dreams. So to think that we have an understanding of what reality is is foolish, because one can even look at Jesus's words and decode some of the things he said that he was giving you secrets to understanding the state of consciousness, right? 00:42:46:05 - 00:42:55:29 Speaker 3 For the for the ears that here but don't understand, you know, for the eyes that see but do not perceive. Right. It's the parables have deeper meanings to it. 00:42:56:00 - 00:42:56:29 Speaker 2 Right? I agree with that. 00:42:57:00 - 00:43:32:27 Speaker 3 And so if we understand reality to be much more than what we see in the physical world, like what do we have exposure to 1% of all that is real, then we have to start understanding what else might be going on here. So from a spiritual standpoint, and I'm in this world where I'm having these conversations with people and my show Radically genuine, is going to have these same conversations in what's called post material science, where people are evaluating this different version of reality, understanding that quantum physics in itself is the science that supports the fact that we are creators of our reality. 00:43:32:27 - 00:43:54:21 Speaker 3 So that means you yourself internally are creating a world and you're experiencing it back. Now, here's the most important part of this. And I know it sounds radical. And five years ago, if I would have heard this from anyone else, I would have dismissed them. But I want people to keep an open mind that the forces that govern this three dimensional world are not creators. 00:43:54:24 - 00:44:22:28 Speaker 3 What they are is they harvest fears, energy. And we've been in this reality or in this simulation that we live in, is Hollywood has been used to give us some predictive programing and information to create things in consciousness. It's why right before 2020, Netflix was pushing contagion. You start pushing it into the collective field, it creates fear, and now you are primed to follow that when it happens. 00:44:23:05 - 00:44:49:16 Speaker 3 So Bob Munroe called that louche. He said, whether you call them the Archons or demons or the energetic field, whatever that may be, that's the the negative to the positive, the dark to the light that they attach to human beings. And many people have felt this at different times in their life, a darkness, hearing thoughts coming outside of them to provoke division, separation and fear, which is an energy. 00:44:49:20 - 00:45:13:01 Speaker 3 So from a one perspective, from a spiritual way of thinking about this, is systems that have been created for war, for division, to create class systems where it's very small percentage of the population have have wealth. It's exactly what Jesus was talking about when he talked, when he spoke about the carnal world where attaching to it's the Pharisees. 00:45:13:01 - 00:45:35:23 Speaker 3 It's the rules, right? It's they are not your masters. And if they become your masters, well, you're walking down a state of hell. Hell being an internal state. Heaven, the kingdom is within us. The kingdom of heaven is within us, right? So imagine that we can shift reality and we have science to support this. We can shift this field through our internal world. 00:45:35:23 - 00:45:59:01 Speaker 3 So when you do group meditations in certain cities, we know that crime goes down. The work of Joe Dispenza. Right. Breaking the habits of being yourself, what he's asking you to do. And I think others who again, I think came here for this time to have these conversations, it's to say, wake up to your true potential, wake up to your divine potential. 00:45:59:02 - 00:46:21:11 Speaker 3 You can create internally, okay? You can create internally. You can create that energy. Then opportunities come back for you. Now you have to act on them. Yeah, right. So to your point, it doesn't mean you passively sit there. Kumbaya. No, you have to act on them. And so it doesn't have to lead to violence, mass resistance. Right. There's more. 00:46:21:13 - 00:46:42:16 Speaker 3 First of all, there's more of us than them. That's what they fear. The second thing that's important is that we're all of God. And so there are things you can do if you're dealing with dark energy. Right. We find this out in post material science. There's a field going on right now. You're in my field. Yeah, right. And in that field. 00:46:42:19 - 00:46:47:04 Speaker 2 Not as much as you're in my field, but we'll. That's right. 00:46:47:06 - 00:47:14:24 Speaker 3 But telepathy is another scientifically supported phenomenon. Meaning we have the ability to read each other's thoughts. That's where that's where we're going to evolve. But we came here and we are essentially in amnesia. We forget we are one of the whole. We completely forget that everything is interconnected, and we think we're just this person in this body. 00:47:14:26 - 00:47:35:18 Speaker 2 Well, and but that's what I think is being done to us. I mean, to bring it back to what you're saying. You know, Rudolf Steiner said the vaccine literally. I mean, I was just just during a break here, found out that one of the Waldorf schools in California is kicking out children that had homeopathic access instead of the vaccine. 00:47:35:19 - 00:47:58:03 Speaker 2 And I'm like, Rudolf Steiner is rolling over his grave. But he said vaccines will be used to separate the soul from the child. I mean, when you say we have amnesia, it's it's almost a medically induced amnesia. It is certainly a hypnosis. There's been delivered into our children the second they enter a school system is being injected, and then the second they're born into a hospital. 00:47:58:04 - 00:48:18:00 Speaker 2 Yes, sir. You know, and so we are. And so when you say under attack, we were on full. We're under full and complete attack. And I agree with you. I mean, this conversation is not going anywhere where I expected it to go. And I love it, but I will let me give you my sort of version of it, because my dad was always really into the idea of karma. 00:48:18:00 - 00:48:46:07 Speaker 2 We grew up, my dad was a metaphysical Christian teacher, so also looked at eastern philosophies. I learned to meditate and things like that. But my dad said something always stuck with me. He grew up on the streets of new Jersey, condemned buildings, super poor life of crime. And he would always say, you've never met anyone more afraid of being stolen from than a thief. 00:48:46:09 - 00:49:10:19 Speaker 2 And he says, my friends, when you know that we would go out and steal cars, they were obsessed with things being taken from them. They consumed their every state of being. And it really became my definition of karma personally, which is, or this idea you create, your reality is we're saying, if I'm creating this reality, I'm creating the world I believe in. 00:49:10:19 - 00:49:34:29 Speaker 2 So if I steal from people, I live in a world where people steal from you. That's correct. I've created that world now. I've made that real for myself. I remember watching my teenage sister with the gossiping, you know, like she was cool. Then she just. There's that, that age where you just see it starting to happen. And I watched her consumed by the group of her friends she wasn't with. 00:49:34:29 - 00:49:56:15 Speaker 2 And what they must be saying about her now, because you're doing it like, you know, you know, someone's gossiping about you because you gossip, you know, the world that you are creating. And I like to I think about that a lot. Like, what world do I want to believe in? Do I believe in a world where I am weak and frail, or where people can be attacked? 00:49:56:18 - 00:50:21:02 Speaker 2 You know, it's it's a huge part of what drives. It's why I'm so positive on this show. I actually genuinely believe we can win, partly because my mom pulled me out of school. I missed the indoctrination that the education system has to make me stand in a line wasn't taught to stay on the line. I told you, you're going to change the world. 00:50:21:02 - 00:50:42:04 Speaker 2 Never got vaccinated, so they didn't inject this crap into me. I don't buy that either. And then my parents taught me, you have a direct connection to God. You don't even need a minister. There's no church. That's right. There's no church necessary in my world right now. If you are feeling particularly lost, go to church. Get someone to start inspiring you for this thought. 00:50:42:04 - 00:51:01:00 Speaker 2 But that person is not there. As a mediator between you and truth is there to remind you that that's there is to pull yourself out of the amnesia. And I'm trying to teach my kids that right now, you know, and I remember it's so wild to have teenagers like my son, 17 and, you know, we go to church, it's like, oh, and, you know, I was like, oh, I wish he loved it. 00:51:01:00 - 00:51:31:06 Speaker 2 There's a lot. I'm watching him where I'm having to be honest, where I wasn't the dynamic, self-driven, confident person that I feel like I see him, see me that way and remember seeing my father that way, and he would try to teach me how to be. I was like, you don't understand what I'm dealing with, but I see myself planting seeds to my son, saying, the world is going to be difficult, and I just want you to know when you are feeling really scared or really down. 00:51:31:10 - 00:51:52:11 Speaker 2 This church may not make sense to you right now, but this is where you come to be and recognize God is here, and I guarantee you're going to find that moment. Yeah, we will feel so lonely and so afraid. You will need this. You will need to know how to recognize what a friend really is, what support really feels like. 00:51:52:12 - 00:52:13:23 Speaker 2 You're going to chase a lot of things in this world. I want you to. I want you to live this life. But I'm nervous about my kids. Smart. He wants to go to college and go to college. I mean, again, I skipped that part to, you know, and so, you know, how do we just two groups there's young people have got to save the world. 00:52:13:24 - 00:52:31:12 Speaker 2 So how do we raise them? But right now, who's watching my show are people that are waking up this reality that this world is not what I wanted to be. The Covid woke them. They started watching the high wire. They're watching podcasts like yours. Even Joe Rogan is jumping in the same way. Wait a minute, wait a minute. 00:52:31:15 - 00:52:42:11 Speaker 2 I've been lied to. Yes, sir. And really, we're realizing the lie is big and it's fast and it's everywhere. 00:52:42:17 - 00:52:43:16 Speaker 3 And it's accelerating. 00:52:43:16 - 00:52:44:15 Speaker 2 It's accelerating. 00:52:44:16 - 00:52:45:09 Speaker 3 Can I tell you a story? 00:52:45:10 - 00:52:46:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:52:46:26 - 00:53:14:04 Speaker 3 20 20th February. One month before everything shut down, my father died of a heart attack on his 50th birthday. And he loved Billy Joel. Billy Joel was in the car. Billy Joel was playing in the house. It was the soundtrack of my childhood. The entire month of February. Every time I get in my car, which was a lot, I was going back and forth to work, picking my son up at practice in school, taking the workouts. 00:53:14:07 - 00:53:35:15 Speaker 3 Billy Joel would come on the radio after a few days where I thought, this is weird. This is statistically impossible. I started changing the dial every time I would get in a car, to the point where I would put on an Am station, a sports radio station, and in my car Billy Joel would come on, I have people to confirm this. 00:53:35:16 - 00:53:49:09 Speaker 3 I would say, anyone who comes in, I said, I guarantee you before this car ride is over. Yeah, Billy Joel will come on just for the month of February. After that stopped, I hardly ever hear Billy Joel on the radio anymore. 00:53:49:12 - 00:54:00:25 Speaker 3 I'd say 6 or 7 months later, I ended up meeting a woman who, let's say, was a medium, or she had these gifts clairvoyant. She was also a Christian because I know Christian are fearful of. 00:54:00:25 - 00:54:05:20 Speaker 2 This, but this is a very. She told me, controversial space. 00:54:05:22 - 00:54:25:08 Speaker 3 She told me that my dad was trying to get in touch with me through the Billy Joel song. She lived in Colorado. I was in Pennsylvania. How would she know that? So I decided to meet with her over the course of the year. And I never said a word, never gave her any information. But this is what she told me. 00:54:25:11 - 00:54:48:03 Speaker 3 She told me. And this is coming, that you have guides who are trying to work through you. We know the type of psychologist you are. You know, I was behaviorist, very scientific, very practical. But you're missing a whole other aspect of reality. And at that point I had no idea what she was talking about. I was embedded in this material world. 00:54:48:08 - 00:55:14:08 Speaker 3 So to wake me up further, the guides started telling her about patients. I was seeing names and everything. At that point, I was fully awake. That how that this woman is acting as an intermediary. I do have guides there trying to work through me and they would give me information about my clients I otherwise wouldn't know, and they were often the key to unlocking something to help somebody. 00:55:14:12 - 00:55:39:15 Speaker 3 But over the course of those meetings, I was handed a series of books. Every time I would meet with her, she would give me three, four, or five books. I would religiously read them all and became obsessed. Bottom line was this I was told to learn how to quiet my mind. So I started a meditation practice. I became aware of like the Heart Math Institute, energy, frequency, everything about the nature of reality. 00:55:39:15 - 00:56:07:28 Speaker 3 And I committed to silencing my my mind. I started moving myself away from entertainment, from social media, television, huge sports fan. And I would put more time in silence. And slowly but surely, when that part of my mind would go off. I would be able to receive in the same way I was receiving from that medium from my guides, and I changed my practice. 00:56:07:28 - 00:56:35:15 Speaker 3 I changed the way I worked with somebody. Instead of it being about me, I became the intermediary. I turned the dial to a different frequency and then started receiving information to help my clients, and there was no way I would know some of the information. And here's the thing I'm not special. We all have the capability of doing it right now, my meditation practice is completely honed. 00:56:35:15 - 00:56:47:28 Speaker 3 It's the most important part of my life. I haven't noticed you before. You, your show. You're kind of close your eyes, you're tuning in, right? And then you become a vessel. Yeah. And that's what you are. And you're aligning with a higher energy, a higher force. 00:56:47:29 - 00:56:48:21 Speaker 2 Yeah. Agreed. 00:56:48:22 - 00:57:14:00 Speaker 3 And so we need to align with a higher force, a higher energy. We have to get off the control grid. We have to get away from the enslavement mechanisms. And parents who are raising their kids in screens, who are feeding them poison, who thinks vaccines are the way towards public health. You're further disconnecting your kids from that complete direction to the divine, to the point where it's taken me. 00:57:14:00 - 00:57:23:25 Speaker 3 I've had to I've had to surrender in faith. And that's why Tracey Thurman and I are starting the show, because we were directed to we were guided to for this moment. 00:57:23:26 - 00:57:32:17 Speaker 2 I know for a fact we're getting comments right now, even though we're pre-taped this, that are like going to say, this is satanic. 00:57:32:18 - 00:57:33:10 Speaker 3 Crazy. 00:57:33:12 - 00:57:39:28 Speaker 2 This is crazy. This is all you know what I mean? Other people will also be saying, oh, you're now you're on my wavelength. And so that's. 00:57:40:04 - 00:57:41:00 Speaker 3 Going to divide people. 00:57:41:01 - 00:58:02:03 Speaker 2 I can accept that. But how do you respond to that? Is there because there is this concern. I've talked to people that once we're big into yoga and they're like, then I realized that was satanic and I was letting in dark forces. So let me ask you this very bluntly, since we're here, no, we're anywhere on the reservation where I thought this conversation would go. 00:58:02:03 - 00:58:08:11 Speaker 2 But this is great. How do you know that those guys aren't dark forces? 00:58:08:14 - 00:58:42:11 Speaker 3 Very simple. Okay. And you can. And if you practice, you'll learn that there you have to be able to learn your own energy. And you have to pay attention to what emotions are. So lower frequency emotions are like depressed mood, shame, guilt, frustration, fear. Anything related to that energy is certainly it's an illusion. It's a dark force. And there's some there, right? 00:58:42:13 - 00:59:14:02 Speaker 3 If once you begin to quiet your mind or take certain substances, including psychedelics, there is a vulnerability to those dark forces. But you can't respond that in fear because you can also then disconnect yourself from the higher energy, the loving energy. Only love is real. Fear is the illusion. Anything that's trying to divide you, anything that is trying to have you do something dark, anything that's you feel is an energy that's attaching to you. 00:59:14:02 - 00:59:38:17 Speaker 3 It's possible there's a way to respond to it. And I've learned this from talking to other people of the same gifts. You bless them. You approach everything in love. Anything is a fear. Division is not real. So you need to turn the dial to the higher frequency, the higher perspective. And here's how I do this. There's these books by Paul Selig which is a channel text. 00:59:38:21 - 01:00:00:23 Speaker 3 Tell me it's not truth. You should know truth. You can know truth by vibration, by frequency. I know who I am, I know how I serve, I am here, I am here, I am here. Said it before your show. I say it throughout the day. Here's what this means I know who I am. That means I am a vessel for God's love. 01:00:00:26 - 01:00:21:10 Speaker 3 I am a soul inhabiting a body for an experience. I'm here to serve humanity. That's the reminder. Boom! I'm taking my consciousness and I'm aligning to that higher frequency. I know who I am, I know how I serve, I'm here to serve humanity in love. I'm here, I'm here, I'm here, which is the moment. And that's what meditation does. 01:00:21:12 - 01:00:37:00 Speaker 3 All creativity happens only in the now. Okay, so you be in the now. You live fully in the now. What does the mind want to do? What does the ego want to do? Wants to take you to the past and go over everything that went wrong in your life. It wants to project something in the future in fear. 01:00:37:03 - 01:01:02:02 Speaker 3 None of that's real. Be present. God exists only in the moment and tell me you don't feel something different, right? If you don't feel anything, it's because you're disconnected. I was disconnected too. There's so many ways that you can become disconnected. But this is what they fear. They want to keep us in this control grid, and it becomes almost like a matrix like dystopian future that we're walking down. 01:01:02:02 - 01:01:21:04 Speaker 3 And I'm here. My my message is your your divine being of God. You have much more power than you believe, but become a vessel, align with God. That's what Christ's consciousness is. So it's an energetic shift. But you have to put the discipline into your life. You have to be able to know, oh, this is my energy. This is the energy of somebody else. 01:01:21:11 - 01:01:28:26 Speaker 3 This is this is a negative dark force. Whenever I go to Washington, D.C., darkness. Right. And I know. 01:01:28:26 - 01:01:38:23 Speaker 2 It because there's in LA, by the way, to same thing. I mean, it was just, you know, it was it was that feeling. Look, I. 01:01:38:25 - 01:01:44:07 Speaker 2 I think what you're talking about is super important, I. 01:01:44:10 - 01:02:14:10 Speaker 2 Question whether or not this is the type of conversation I'd be having where I've started in vaccines and everything. But between you and I, we've had these conversations outside of here. People have put out photos of me meditating before I speak. I do absolutely. I have learned the same thing, which is I shut down my mind, which is all the chatter and all the news and all the rage and the anger and the you know, when I go on rants and things like that, that part of it. 01:02:14:10 - 01:02:38:15 Speaker 2 But I really try to just say, you know, God, speak for me, what am I? You know, I'm going to open up my mouth here. And and so far, so good. You know, it works out and I do it. Before the show you saw people are always surprised that there's no script. I don't have a teleprompter running. Nothing's written. 01:02:38:18 - 01:03:04:13 Speaker 2 You know, I'm rolling with it and I'm trying to be clear to it, I guess. I guess the place where I would, you know, I really this could go on to be a five hour conversation. But this idea of guides, I want to, I want to that triggers me a little bit because that when I hear it, it entails some other beings besides myself. 01:03:04:18 - 01:03:33:13 Speaker 2 Then that becomes a medium between God, mind and me. Why do I need some other group of pre individuals? Or always? I mean, I've heard different discussions about this superhuman and angels. I know people have all of those things. I get the same message. I get very clear messages sometimes. I had a really great meditation a week or so ago where I sat in the meditation. 01:03:33:13 - 01:03:48:03 Speaker 2 I had to figure I had a very set of conflicts. I was supposed to be at a men's retreat I've been waiting for for nearly a year to do. Then this other thing came up. Well, you could come in the last day. So do I race out of there and cancel this other appointment? And I was really all about the final day. 01:03:48:03 - 01:04:03:25 Speaker 2 Do I cancel the appointment on my Saturday because the the men's retreat ends on Friday? Not really the way to come out of it, but do I go up on Saturday? I sat and meditated and honestly, this hasn't happened a while, but it was like, oh no, no, no, you're not going to mess up your Saturday. You're going to get on a plane today. 01:04:03:25 - 01:04:24:00 Speaker 2 You need to be there right now. Yes. And it was so clear like, I mean, and for people that don't haven't gone in this space, it was so clear. There's no question in my mind I'm going to let down this men's room. And all of it was about being accountable. Yes. I too want to go and, you know, get physical on the side of a mountain with some guys and work on accountability. 01:04:24:05 - 01:04:43:14 Speaker 2 I was like, I'm going to let them all down. But there's not a doubt in my mind it's what I'm supposed to do. So a similar it speaks to me. It's super clear. I'm glad to buy it. It's it's a lot of what this is. All these lights and these cameras have been me, you know, and people that work with me being guided to be here. 01:04:43:15 - 01:04:51:05 Speaker 2 But why do you say guides? Why does it happen? Like, is that, you know, why are there entities separate from God? 01:04:51:08 - 01:04:52:15 Speaker 3 I don't think they're separate. 01:04:52:16 - 01:04:53:13 Speaker 2 Okay? 01:04:53:16 - 01:05:12:05 Speaker 3 I think they're of God. I see God as the whole. God is all things. And we are, I guess, the best way to see like a fractal of that expression of energy. I don't think about God anymore in the way that the Catholic Church told me to think of it like like a man in the sky. He was here to pass judgment. 01:05:12:06 - 01:05:18:09 Speaker 2 And neither do I. That ran short at about ten years old. 01:05:18:12 - 01:05:40:14 Speaker 3 Yeah. Never, never, never think for me, but I see I see God as the creator of all things. So the creator of all things, he's created you. He's created me. And even higher dimensional beings like the nonphysical that exists for some greater purpose. You brought up a good question. Why do I need that? I don't know, you do if you do. 01:05:40:17 - 01:06:00:26 Speaker 3 I never asked this this to happen to me, right? Yeah. I was woken up in only a way that I could have been woken up, and that was for things to happen to me that make no sense. And there's no other explanation, and I followed. I'm glad I did. Yeah, because they are asking. They want to be involved. 01:06:00:27 - 01:06:04:17 Speaker 3 Like they want to God, they want to guide you because they. 01:06:04:20 - 01:06:13:19 Speaker 2 Want to guide you. Because this is the world that you are, my world that you're seeing, and this is what you believe and it's working for you. So I want to clarify that. Okay. 01:06:13:21 - 01:06:37:07 Speaker 3 Yeah. I can't speak for anyone in my own individual experience here, but from what I understand that we do have higher spiritual entities or beings that are invested, kind of like angelic beings that are invested in a state of love to guide you. But you have to part of, I guess, the rules of being here is you have to align with them. 01:06:37:07 - 01:06:44:01 Speaker 3 You have to ask for their intervention. You can also just say, just speak to God. 01:06:44:03 - 01:07:01:22 Speaker 2 That's what I do. And that's all I'm saying. I just, you know, that's what I, I just haven't I'm not judging it, by the way. I'm just saying. And maybe it's who taught us there's something there and how you had to hear it or how I had to hear it. I feel like God's speaking to me. 01:07:01:24 - 01:07:27:29 Speaker 3 Yeah, I, I don't disagree. I don't even know if there's a right or wrong. I can only say this was my experience when I said yes, when I acted in faith, when I understood information was just provided to me in a manner to advance my experience on this earth. Do you believe that we're going to have contact with nonphysical beings? 01:07:28:02 - 01:07:34:22 Speaker 3 Extraterrestrials? 01:07:34:24 - 01:07:55:06 Speaker 2 I can't say that I do, I don't know, I mean, I'm fully in it. Don't know. I see that a giant deepfake would be a really good way for the government to convince me that that's happening. Like, you know, I think I would know the difference between an actual contact and one. And I'll probably I could find myself a year from now ranting on this show. 01:07:55:07 - 01:08:20:17 Speaker 2 There's not a three mile UFO over Las Vegas right now. Don't buy it. I don't know, I don't know what that future has to hold the place. I'll meet you on this. Is that. I did a bunch of sweat. I mean, I have a Native American background, my mom's mohawk. And so I have done spiritual practice inside of Native American culture, actually, outside of Mohawk, because we're in Colorado. 01:08:20:18 - 01:08:47:11 Speaker 2 I came in contact with Sue, you know, Lakota rituals more, and I've done a lot of sweat lodges and things like that. And I can say my experience is there is I have been in a sweat lodge where a, you know, a group of Indians that barely have a pot to piss in, not putting them down, living in a third world country in the middle of America on these reservations, you know, call in Crazy Horse. 01:08:47:11 - 01:09:07:26 Speaker 2 And I mean, it's like a Poltergeist movie. Special effects. Like, I could not describe zipping and flying all around us. Lights. It's, you know, I'm not probably not even supposed to describe that. I don't know what the rules are on that, but from that moment on, I know that there is something else going on in this world that we don't. 01:09:07:27 - 01:09:34:21 Speaker 2 And all positive, beautiful. It wasn't like dark energy. But I've also seen, you know, I'll tell you a quick story and then we'll try to wrap this up in what that makes sense. I was doing I was doing a sweat lodge. We had a men's group that was meeting back before I came to any of this. Before, you know, my life was just it was fine. 01:09:34:21 - 01:09:52:23 Speaker 2 I had already won an Emmy Award in television, but I was just like, I'm not where I'm supposed to be. I haven't found my destiny. But we were all doing the sweat lodges with this great leader. He didn't want to be called a shaman, but I would say he was. He was certainly more profound in meditation state inside of the sweat lodge than when you would talk to him outside of it. 01:09:52:24 - 01:10:19:09 Speaker 2 So he was clearly bringing in. He would speak to you in those moments, which I'm like, that is not the same guy I know personally. And then I would help him run sweat lodges for the drug addicted groups in Malibu. And he ended up being, you know, a lot of these super expensive rehabilitation centers were barely paying my buddy Andrew at all to run these sweats for their, you know, and they were all writing. 01:10:19:09 - 01:10:39:20 Speaker 2 That was the most effective treatment I had the whole time that was here. But one time a group came up and some of them have met addictions and alcohol and cocaine, and it's all there. And the leader, Andrew, you know, I was I would come up in a system on that. I pour water or I bring in the hot stones and things like that. 01:10:39:20 - 01:10:55:06 Speaker 2 But sometimes he would do a healing round and he would say, go get me some coals. You knew something was going down. So I go and dig some calls out of the fire and he says, bring this guy across the sweat and the sweat. You know, it's as big as round as this couch. It's a fire hot in the middle. 01:10:55:10 - 01:11:14:27 Speaker 2 You feel like you're going to die. You're, you know, tucked into this little space. You've probably done it. People watching may not have, but we bring the guy around and he sits down and the shaman let me call him a shamans there. And so he takes the coal in his mouth and his teeth and starts blowing on the guy's head in his whole thing. 01:11:14:27 - 01:11:36:17 Speaker 2 And then all of a sudden, like, he's doing this like it's a wild thing to watch hot coal in his mouth, like what is going on? And the guy just, like, stiffens up and then comes. He's like, catch him. And he falls back and lands my lap and his eyes are rolled back in his head. And then this he has an eagle wing and he like, slaps on the guy's chest on top of me, and every time he lifts the wing, the guy is lifting up off the ground. 01:11:36:21 - 01:11:55:13 Speaker 2 And I'm watching this. And the phenomenon, you can't. I'm like, whoa! And the guy keeps falling down my lap and he keeps lifting, lifting him. And then finally, like you, just the guy has been breathing, got like sits up. He's like, sit him up. Cinema. I sit him up, I sit him up. He's like, okay. And he grabs the guys, are you with me? 01:11:55:13 - 01:12:14:12 Speaker 2 And you? Here is the guy, I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. And interesting that that's sort of your mantra. And we all end up leaving the sweat lodge and we're walking around and all the guys from the rehab are like, that's not the guy that was on the bus with us. That's a totally different person. And it's true. 01:12:14:15 - 01:12:42:02 Speaker 2 Like I saw him as similar, but he had a lightness. He was dark when he came in and we went to lunch afterwards and I was like, okay, Andrew, I've seen some crazy things in my life. What just happened? And he said, When I'm sitting in these sweats, sometimes I don't see people. I saw a demon. Yeah, and I don't see the person this demon has set into this beam. 01:12:42:02 - 01:12:58:17 Speaker 2 But all I see is the demon. And I am going to go to war with that demon. I brought him over and I, you know, fought that had pulled that demon out of this guy. And he's like I said, look, I was like, I don't know. He's like, sometimes like a gargoyle. I'm like something like you would imagine a man like a monster. 01:12:58:19 - 01:13:24:02 Speaker 2 And and what he said was interesting. He said, I do a lot of these sweats, and there's something about meth that is opening up these people. Where these. It's a portal where demons are moving into these people I don't like. I don't see it with alcohol, occasionally heroin. But meth is just a I'm doing this all the time now. 01:13:24:02 - 01:13:47:27 Speaker 2 And I think about the riddling. We're giving our kids meth. Yes, it is like I mean, are these portals for so to this are there I have witnessed these things. I don't know what to do with it. It's not my mission to fully, at least not yet understand it. But if you're asking me, I do have interactions with things that make me realize I do not have a full understanding of the spirit world. 01:13:47:28 - 01:13:48:12 Speaker 2 Anyway. 01:13:48:13 - 01:14:06:07 Speaker 3 It's important that you say that because we would be foolish to deny these experiences, and we need credible people to be able to talk about their experiences when they have them without fear of the judgment. Right? And that's why people don't talk about this, because they're afraid of what the comments are going to be on social media. So I'm really glad you shared that story. 01:14:06:08 - 01:14:24:29 Speaker 3 You bring up something that's really important because I think this is my mission. I've worked with people on psychiatric drugs for decades now, and they described to me something similar where they feel like they're just driving down the road, and all of a sudden they have this thought that comes out of nowhere, drive off the side of the road, right, right. 01:14:24:29 - 01:14:52:24 Speaker 3 And we see all these horrific events post these psychiatric drugs. Is it opening up some portal to that energetic demonic realm? Right. In the past, you'd be laughed off about this because that's not material science. But if we're able to talk about this stuff scientifically, the post science world and we can see things energetic, we expand our understanding of what reality is. 01:14:52:26 - 01:15:21:15 Speaker 3 We bridge science and spirituality. And that is my mission. That's why the radically genuine podcast that is going to be starting on October 1st with Tracey Thurman is that's who we're bringing on. We're trying to bridge that and understand it so we can serve humanity in a better way. You can label this I'm a sane man, right? But if I if I said these things to the wrong person, it would be identified as delusional. 01:15:21:20 - 01:15:47:25 Speaker 3 Right? And that's why I'm afraid of psychiatry as an arm of totalitarian control and the ability to imprison you take away your freedom based on your beliefs. And if this is an energetic, spiritual world and the material is that material science, that biological science, the one that we're mass administering, the one that has created unprecedented states of disease, right. 01:15:47:26 - 01:16:11:10 Speaker 3 If that becomes the governing principle and the defining sense of what reality is, then we're never going to advance humanity. We're going to destroy ourselves, right? There's going to be another war. There's going to be another pandemic. There's going to be something that all of us feel hopeless about. The message today is don't feel hopeless. There's a reason why in the Bible it says, be not afraid. 01:16:11:12 - 01:16:34:22 Speaker 3 From a consciousness perspective, that's an energy that gets fed by this realm. But if love is the message, love as an energetic force, not a sentiment, not a hallmark card, an energetic force for creation, right? And that you are aligned with exactly what you do before you become a vessel. And you're one of the greatest orders I've ever heard speak. 01:16:34:22 - 01:16:55:21 Speaker 3 I know that's God, and you do that and you follow your soul's purpose. You're not only going to be happy, you're going to be healthy, right? Because we have our understanding of disease. Wrong. Two disease is the body. At disease, there's many determining factors of disease. They want you to be afraid of all of life. That's why you're afraid of contamination. 01:16:55:21 - 01:17:21:09 Speaker 3 That's why they have to jab you. Right? It's all fear. It's all fear. If you see this as an energetic reality and you choose love, then you will break away from their control mechanism. And what you're going to do is you're going to serve your community. And then when they do come after you, like your local farmer gets raided by a government agency because you're selling raw milk, you're going to stand, your hands are going to be together, and you're going to have to go through you. 01:17:21:11 - 01:17:45:04 Speaker 3 And when that kind of grows and grows and grows, I go through hundreds. So, yeah, you can come as your arm force. You're going to have to go through American people to do that. If you understand that everything is going to be community moving forward, you cannot trust these institutions. It's about building community and community as you serve each other, not in isolation. 01:17:45:05 - 01:18:10:14 Speaker 3 That's why right now, make friends with your local farmer, get to know who's producing food and then support them. Regenerative agriculture this is not a government issue. This is not going to be solved by government. I've told you before, I think they're paid actors, right? And they are. It's an agenda that's not serving us. I'm out over there, but I am interested in the alternative who's building the parallel systems. 01:18:10:14 - 01:18:28:24 Speaker 3 And there are many. And we're going to do it quietly, and we're going to do it to a point where when the time comes and they want to implement that control grid, you have options. And that's part of what my mission is to, and it's why we're going to have this platform. It's more than just a podcast, a media platform. 01:18:28:24 - 01:18:47:17 Speaker 3 What are the options? How do you get out of the banking system right where it's your money, how to how to what do you know about your ability to attain real food? How about your spiritual gifts? Because you can have them. And we are creators of our own reality, so you and our self can be part of this shift in humanity. 01:18:47:18 - 01:19:08:29 Speaker 3 There's so much that's outside of your realm of understanding and knowledge, because they're going to filter information to you, and that's what they do. They filter information through an algorithm and through fear, provocation, break through, break free from it. And you have availability of a greater field, just like you have great availability of a greater field. 01:19:09:01 - 01:19:12:24 Speaker 2 Well, I'll join you on that battle for the greater field. 01:19:12:25 - 01:19:13:22 Speaker 3 Yes, sir. 01:19:13:25 - 01:19:16:00 Speaker 2 I love you, man. Love you for joining me today. 01:19:16:00 - 01:19:16:21 Speaker 3 Thank you.