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Tarot Reader Interview: Shelly Shearing's First Year Reading Tarot Cards🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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Hello, I'm Matt and I think I'm a psychic medium.
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I've always been interested in the paranormal
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and the spooky and although I've been open to
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it, I've also tried to err on the skeptical side.
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After all, I didn't think I had had any experiences
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and I certainly never thought it would have any
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impact on my life. But that was then. Now I want
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to explore where this gift will take me. In my
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podcast I'll be exploring the challenges of discovering
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a spiritual gift, the long path of development
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and how this new page of my life is affecting
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relationships with friends, family and myself.
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So I invite you to join me as I explore my psychic
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and spiritual journey as my inner skeptic and
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inner medium go head -to -head in The Psychic
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Explorer. Hello, you lovely lot. Thank you so
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much for coming back to me. While I wasn't planning
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on taking a break so early on just out of five
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episodes, however, that last episode was heavy.
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It stirred up a lot of emotions within me. Revisiting
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those memories from my childhood, it took me
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straight back there and it really flattened my
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mood. Couple that with two very poor readings
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that I... had done for some friends. I felt really
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embarrassed because I'd just put this podcast
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episode out there saying I was supposed to be
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good at this and I had finally found my confidence
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and the next two readings that I did for people
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I felt like I felt flat on my face and I was
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just mortified. So my confidence over the past
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month or two have taken quite the knocking and
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I just needed to sit with the lessons that I
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learned from those poor readings and just thinking
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about how those emotions from my childhood impact
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on and relate to me today. So if you're listening
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to this podcast live as it goes out, I do apologize
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for the break. But if you are listening to this
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in the future, then you will not have noticed
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a single thing. But just trust me, there's been
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a bit of a break. But I am back and what an episode
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to come back on. I'm really excited to share
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this one with you because I've got my first guest.
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And whenever I listen to a podcast and they have
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their first guest, I always think it's a bit
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of a milestone. It can either upset the dynamics
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or it can really add to the experience. I'm really
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hoping that you are going to find that this conversation
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today with my friend Shelley, it's really going
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to add to the depth of the topics that I've been
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talking about so far in these episodes. Shelly
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Shearing is a fantastic tarot card reader. She
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has her own YouTube channel and you can find
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her at soul -full -tarot. I will put all of the
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links in the episode notes. But this conversation
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explores how she came to the subject and I found
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it really interesting because no matter how you
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come to this subject, to this spirituality, to
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mediumship, to tarot cards, to this spooky world,
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we all have similar questions and thoughts about
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it and I really hope you enjoy this conversation.
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Here's Shelly talking to me about her amazing
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experiences with tarot. Enjoy. Hello, Shelly.
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Thank you so much for joining me today, Shelly.
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So we've got Shelly Shearing here from Soulful
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Tarot. She's a friend of mine from my circle
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that I go to. Shelly, how are you? I'm very well.
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Thank you, Matt. And thank you so much for inviting
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me onto your podcast. I'm truly honored. No,
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bless you. Thank you. I wanted to interview someone
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for quite a while. But I wanted to wait until
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it was someone who I trusted in what they do,
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but also clicked with. And I think that in circle,
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we read for each other a few times now. And I
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think each time I've read for you, it's been
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quite, I thought it's been quite nice every time
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you read for me, it's been really impactful.
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And I know that you have started your YouTube
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channel. When did you start that? July, actually,
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early July. Yes, it is. And how is it going?
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Oh my gosh I am absolutely blown away with how
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it's going because I think one thing it's really
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important to remember is you can get so caught
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up in oh my gosh but there's thousands of tarot
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readers or the similar channels on there and
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yes there are however I think the reason that
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you're doing it is far more important than that
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and that has to be forefront so for me it was
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simply because I cannot put the tarot cards down.
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I have to read. I read every day for myself,
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or at least I'm shuffling the cards. And what
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that did for me was it gave me that opening,
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if you like, to read for others without any expectation.
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How did you start? Because for me, you know my
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story, it all came about pretty unexpected. What
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made you pick up a deck of tarot cards? Perfectly
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honestly, I have no idea. It literally was a
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bolt from the blue. And I now look back and think
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it was a snag, what I call a snag. So when we
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something catches our attention. And I think
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from memory, it was I just seen the advert for
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our circle. Yeah. And then literally, a few weeks
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later, I saw an advert for a Tarot course ran
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locally, literally up the road by a lady called
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Claire Leakes. She's an excellent teacher. She
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teaches all sorts, but she was running a one
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-to -one Tarot course also. And I thought, wow,
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I've never seen, you know, because for me to
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learn, I find it far easier to be in front of
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somebody rather than just me online. Also, that
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requires a lot of discipline. And so I literally
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just messaged her and said, Oh, when is this
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running? So excited. I just got this burst of
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energy. And she messaged me back and said, well,
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it's on this date and that date. And I said,
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oh, well, that's a shame. If you run another
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one, because I can't make those dates, if you
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run another one, could you let me know? And then
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she messaged me back and said, well, when are
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you available? Because at first I thought, oh,
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never mind. I'll just say, OK, thanks. Then I
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thought, no, I'll mention that I can't make those
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dates. And there was something in me saying,
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push it, Shelley, push it. And so looking back,
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that's literally how it happened. She then tailored
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the course around me and one of the lady. We're
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so lucky. Amazing. And I find that with this,
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in this area, in this field, in life, actually,
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if things are meant to happen, you are pushed
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towards it and some doors just open up. It's
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quite amazing. Yeah, definitely. I agree with
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that. So you started doing tarot cards by Claire
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Leakes, as you said a moment ago. Was that just
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a reading or was that an actual her teaching
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you how to do it? It was literally Claire sitting
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in front of us. It was a full day. It was 9 a
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.m. till 4 p .m. in her summer house, in her
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garden, showing us how to interpret the cards.
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What I'll say from that with Tarot is a little
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bit like passing your driving test. Yes, you've
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got the certificate to say you can drive. However,
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you don't gain that experience and your interpretation
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on the road, et cetera, and your vision until
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you start to do it. And that's exactly the same
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for Tarot. You then interpret the cards differently,
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depending on what you're feeling, what position
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they're in. It's amazing. This is going to be
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one of my questions to you, actually, because
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I love Oracle cards. um i love reading them i
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love how they um guide you i love how they are
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able to inspire you to give a really in -depth
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psychic reading and also open up what um to to
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the um to mediumship as well but for me the idea
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of learning what each and every card means because
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there's like 70 something cards in a deck of
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tarot correct that terrifies me it's like oh
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and also in my mind that is too rigid. That's
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like, well, how can that mean that if it's...
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Do you know what I'm trying to say? It's just
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so random. So how much is it down to chance?
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But then your readings are always so spot on.
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So... Well, that's just down to experience, practice,
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feeling, trusting your intuition. That's really,
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really important. So very much so that we're
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taught in circle is to say what you feel. and
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it's exactly the same for the cards and so for
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instance the magician can mean manifestation
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it can mean having all the tools in a toolbox
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to do exactly and reach your goals when it's
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paired with another card such as the seven of
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swords which is deceit that magician turns into
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something who can be quite manipulative because
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they have all the tools they know exactly how
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to use them so that's where the experience comes
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practicing with the different spreads as well.
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A lot of tarot readers don't use spreads. They
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freestyle if you like. I do both. I can do both.
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I prefer it a bit more structured if somebody
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wants a personal reading. But for myself, I'll
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throw some cards and think, oh, okay. What is
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a spread? Okay, so a spread is a structured reading.
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So therefore you have, it can be three or four
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cards. It can be 10 cards. I've even seen spreads
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that are like 70 cards where you use the entire
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deck. For me that's like, whoa, a bit too much.
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I like to do the Celtic Cross which is a 10 card
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spread and that will cover, each position covers
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a different subject. So past, present, future,
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what's on your mind, what you don't see coming
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and then you go up the staff to different and
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then finally you have an outcome. But what's
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very important about tarot is it's an energy
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reading. It's not especially what you should
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live your life by. It's literally if you follow
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this path then this is a possibility. You still
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have free will. How do you use the cards? Do
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you think because you used the word intuition
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earlier on. I'm still exploring my what I do
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and not what I do and don't believe, that's not
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quite right, but what I feel comfortable with
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and what I don't feel comfortable with. When
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people talk about angels and things like that,
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still for me, that's a little bit... I know exactly
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what you mean, yep. It's just a bit awkward.
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It's like, do you find that these cards are divinely
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chosen? Is it pure chance? Like I say your readings
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the reasons that you've done for me are all spot
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-on and you do Every week you go through the
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zodiac and you do 12 readings and you release
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on your YouTube channel and for me Leo It's always
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spot -on. It's always like, yeah shows without
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bang on and even when I think Not quite right
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a couple of days later something will happen.
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I think oh, yeah That's what you said actually,
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so How was your belief? How do you think it works?
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Gosh, that's a question and a half. Now this
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is going to sound a bit woo -woo. Go for it.
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But I just want to say, up until October the
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year before last, October 2022, was it? 2023,
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sorry. I did none of this. I didn't follow anybody
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spiritually. I didn't meditate. My life has changed
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since then. I do feel I'm meant to do this. I
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feel divinely guided. And I know that sounds
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a bit, for some people, who does she think she
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is? And so I don't often say that because, you
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know, I try and be as realistic as possible with
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it because I want so many people to follow the
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same path, if you like. Not necessarily just
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tarot, but just start off with baby steps. and
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you know what if you don't want to tell people
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about it don't but then you'll find you'll what
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you'll do is you'll then start to connect with
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people in a circle subconsciously that actually
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do follow that path and then you open up and
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then it's the welsh oyster did that answer the
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question i'm actually lost now it's interesting
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because my next question is going to be about
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how things have changed but um when it comes
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to the actual practicalities of the tarot Is
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your belief that it's chance that something spirit
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or whatever is choosing a card? Is it intuition
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that you stop on a certain card? I mean, I guess
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it's impossible to know isn't it? But it's literally
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follow and trust how you feel and that's what
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it comes down to and I think that's what it comes
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down to in any spiritual path is trust how you
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feel and don't be afraid to say it. Now obviously
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there's some things in tarot I'll be honest with
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you and I struggle in the circle too to be blatantly
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honest and to try and find the words however
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what does that person want do they you know there's
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nothing terrible that will I will ever say in
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a tarot I'll be you know that that's not my my,
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what do you call it, my vision. So for me, when
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somebody comes for a reading, it's got to be
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helpful, it's got to be hopeful, and it's got
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to be healing. And in between, whatever comes,
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we will find a healing message from it, a helpful
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message or a hopeful message. i hope that makes
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sense and i can attest to that because in my
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private reading you gave me the um the tower
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card and the hangman um so well the hangman is
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just about delay from looking at things from
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a different perspective the tower however yes
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it is a lot of people are like oh the tower card
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now when i see the tower card i get excited i'm
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like oh big change coming and the reason the
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tower comes is because the change has to make
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it has to be done because the foundations are
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often of whatever's going on are slowly crumbling.
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So we need to rebuild that again in a positive
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manner. And yes, it can be difficult, but we
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all learn from it. And this is my personal philosophy
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on life is we are all here to learn lessons.
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Absolutely. Yeah. So I'm spot on. Do you mind
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me asking you a slightly personal question about
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your ability, your readings? No, no, I won't
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go for it. I know that in Circle, our Circle
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leader, Nicola, a couple of months ago said that
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you were able to bring through a link from spirit
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for the first time. So my understanding from
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you from that is that you obviously started with
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tarot and the spiritual stuff sort of came later,
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whereas with me, it's in the reverse. Yeah. How
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do you use or rather do you use because I know
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you use a variety of cars? You're not just tarot.
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I think you use Oracle cars as well How do you
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use tarot or Oracle cars to help you in your
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mediumship or do you? That's really interesting
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because How we've been taught definitely by Nicola
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is that whatever your Strength is is how you
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will receive the messages. That's from my interpretation
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And I will often get a card in my head. So if
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somebody is, for instance, feeling very down,
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I might get the, or very defensive, I might get
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the seven of ones in my head. I see the card
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and then I'm able to interpret. However, that
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is changing slightly just recently. able to put
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that card to one side and say to them, that's
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really kind of you, thank you very much, but
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I'm gonna try and do it myself. But I know it's
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there as a backup and that's how I'm developing
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in that role. I find the mediumship absolutely
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fascinating and it's definitely improved my tarot
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reading. I'm not sure my tarot reading has improved
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my mediumship though, if that makes sense. Is
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it a case of the chicken and the egg? Definitely
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for me. I would rather not have the card with
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the mediumship because I feel like they're helping
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me. However, if that works, it works. I shouldn't
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be so tough on myself. That, Shelley, is something,
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as you know, I struggle with and a lot of people
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struggle with. It's that self -belief. It's that,
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oh God, am I going crazy? The episodes I've done
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on my podcast so far, I'm very conscious that
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they have focused on that quite a lot, the doubt
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or rather the self doubt. I'm now coming to a
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stage in my development where I'm more positive
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about it. I'm actually able to speak to people
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about it, friends and family about it. And it's
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almost like coming out all over again. It's like,
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oh, yeah. How have your friends and family? received
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this because you said a minute ago that this
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has been all very new to you. So how have they
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adapted to the new Shelley? Or is there a new
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Shelley? Oh, there's definitely a new Shelley.
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Oh, 100%. The old Shelley is quite fiery, very
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defensive all the time, a bit chip on the shoulder.
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How have they reacted? I was blown away, be honest
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with you. My daughter is incredibly open to it.
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In fact, every Wednesday before she started her
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new job, she'd be at home after I got back from
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the development circle and she would be, oh mum,
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go on, what happened? What happened tonight?
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And she can't wait and she's, mum, can you just
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throw me some cards? I'm like, yeah, of course
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I can. Her friends are really open to it. My
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partner, incredibly supportive of it. I'm not
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sure he's 100%, but he's a kind of like, well,
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there's gotta be something. But initially, I've
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done a range of different things, side hustles.
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I've sold wax warmers. I still do CBD oil, as
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well as working. And I've always had big Facebook
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groups for those. And I ummed an art and I thought,
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oh my gosh, how am I going to get this out there?
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But in a way that people don't think, oh, here
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she goes again. Now she's on this journey. And
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so I did it very, very. I made the group very
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private and it's still private. So I think I
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had the problem more than other people to be
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honest with you when I look back. And there's
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still people like my work colleagues have only
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just starting to realize this is what I'm doing.
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And I make a bit of a joke of it. I'm like, yep,
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here comes the witch. So I say it before they
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do. So yeah, I was blown away by the support
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that I have. And let's face it, there's only
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people within your tribe, if you like, that you
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need to connect with anyway. That's how I feel.
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It's true. I'm slowly coming around to the idea
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that actually people who need it, or rather the
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people who will be open to it, are the people
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you feel comfortable telling. And if you don't
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feel like you want to, you don't have to. It's
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not something you have to shout from the rooftops
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That's so interesting because that's almost exactly
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the same as me. Well, I'm Like oh the issue with
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me. It's not them the issue how I perceive what
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we're doing and The stereotypes I put on myself
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and therefore put on to other people Hasn't made
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you you said you were quite uptight before this
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How has it changed your philosophy of life? How
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has it changed the way that you live your life?
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How I live my life hasn't changed it massively,
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I'll be honest with you. You know, I'm still
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Shelley. I'm still a mum. I still love pottering
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around the house and doing my piece bits and
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pieces. You won't find me without a set of AirPods
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in listening to some kind of spiritual development
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thing that's going on. I listen to tarot reading
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daily. but I still managed to be Shelley and
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be me and go out and have a glass of wine and
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have some fun and go on holiday. What was the
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initial thing you said? I was going to, there
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was a big point to that I was going to mention.
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Oh God, what did I ask? How does that, yeah,
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so, oh, with the chip on the shoulder and things
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like that. So for me, it was the philosophy.
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of life for me now, I see that there is life
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after death. Now, I know not everybody agrees
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with that, and that's not something that I push
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on anybody, but there can't not be. And for me,
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I've lost every single member of my family, apart
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from my uncle, in a very quite short space of
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time. And I dealt with that, almost like a robot
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in the end, because I was like, oh, here we go
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again. I know that sounds really awful, but...
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In the end, that's how I had to react because
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I had nothing left. And then it all bottled up
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and the tarot has allowed that to come out because
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often I'll do a reading. I did a reading a couple
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of weeks ago on my channel for Capricorn, I think
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it was. And I ended up very, very close to tears
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because I actually thought that was for me. It
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was like a relief. It was a message for me to
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release as well. So that's how it's changed me.
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in that respect practically day to day not much
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but just yeah you're the way you see life in
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a vertical commas and this physical world and
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the next and yeah absolutely yeah and also you
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know that there is more to life you know there
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is there is a reason behind everything there's
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a reason for everything and that's key for me
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yeah i've always felt that things are meant to
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happen or at least if they do yeah things meant
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to happen and that things don't happen without
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a benefit coming from it even if it's something
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awful like you know my mom dying something awful
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but it sparked this within me it literally the
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minute that she died this opened up within me
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and so I think you're absolutely right things
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do happen and it's how you go forward with that
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and how you live your life from from that point
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i'm not sure the point i'm trying to make there
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but i can cut that bit out appealing as well
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i think this journey is also very reflective
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you can't do it without a mirror oh that hits
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especially with my last episode yes definitely
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very much so yeah you know my last episode about
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the bullying um from my childhood it took me
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only I mean I recorded that over a month ago
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and I've not touched a recording since because
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I've just been sitting with it and it's, it brought
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me down quite a bit. I didn't want to sort of,
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you know, it brought all those feelings back
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to the surface. Really quite painful. To be able
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to see that and to be able to recognize all that
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is they allowed me to look at other aspects of
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my life and recognize actually this is why I'm
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like that or this is why I do this. So that self
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-analysis and reflection is important. I know
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you've only been doing tarot for a little while,
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I say a little while, I mean, just over a year
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now. Have you noticed your tarot has changed
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since you first started? Yeah, massively. It's
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definitely more in depth. I trust myself more
25:13
and that just comes with confidence when you
25:15
get feedback too. So when I first started, I
25:18
just read for family and friends. because I was
25:23
so scared of doing it for anybody else and getting
25:26
it wrong. And that's why my starting the YouTube
25:31
channel really helped also. Yes, it was very,
25:35
oh my gosh, I've really put myself out there
25:37
now. But the other side to there being hundreds
25:40
of thousands of other tarot readers, I was a
25:43
small fish in the big sea. So therefore, again,
25:49
I kept concentrating on that side thinking, well
25:52
you know what if it's rubbish nobody'll subscribe
25:54
so what am i worried about yeah it's terrifying
26:00
putting yourself out there isn't it it really
26:01
is because it's like again you're coming out
26:04
to the world it's like oh yeah but in a way i
26:08
found it easier to do the youtube channel because
26:12
unless you've told your friends and family they
26:14
don't know you do youtube it's the people that
26:17
don't know you and i found that more easier yeah
26:21
Yeah, that's almost a sense of anonymity. Just
26:26
put yourself out there and no one knowing who
26:28
you are. Judgment attached. Judgment attached.
26:32
Oh, that judgment. It's a bitch. How did you
26:38
get to a stage where you had the confidence to
26:40
do that? Is it because you thought, well, no
26:43
one knows me, I'm just going to do it? Yeah,
26:45
absolutely. It took me more time to understand
26:50
the technical side of it. And to be honest with
26:54
you, by the time I'd actually reached and learned
26:56
that side, I thought, well, I've not, excuse
26:58
me, I've not done all this for nothing. I'm going
27:01
for it now because that was so stressful. You
27:05
know, doing the video is going to be the fun
27:07
bit. And so it really put it into perspective
27:09
for me because I'm a bit of a technophobe, I'm
27:12
54, you know, I'm not particularly great. And
27:17
I've encouraged other people to do it since because
27:20
I say, if I can do it, you so can do it. Yeah,
27:25
you will know more than others. We have tried
27:28
this recording two or three times and each time
27:31
it's just not happened. And I'm fingers crossed
27:34
that this actually does work because if it doesn't,
27:37
I don't know what we're going to do. But yet
27:39
the technical side of it alone is boggling, isn't
27:42
it? That did was it put it into perspective for
27:45
me. I think that, you know, again, what we're
27:47
saying is, you know, we're all here to learn
27:49
lessons or the lesson there is, okay, we'll teach
27:52
you to do this side. The main content, however,
27:57
is what you can do. You know, this is your talent.
28:00
This is the easy bit. And so it really, yeah.
28:12
What great advice from lovely Shelly if you want
28:16
to reach out to her You can find her on YouTube
28:19
at soul -full tarot You can also find her on
28:24
Facebook under the same name You can also find
28:27
me on Instagram Facebook and threads at the .psychic
28:33
.explorer Pop me a message. I would love for
28:36
you to say hello For the moment though, let's
28:43
get back to Talking Tarot with Shelley Shearing.
28:50
When did you know you were good enough? Gosh,
28:55
I didn't. I had no indication. I just thought,
28:59
what have I got to lose? I think it was the YouTube,
29:05
learning about the YouTube channel made everything
29:09
else feel a lot easier. Again, going back to
29:11
that, I know I've just mentioned it, but for
29:14
some reason that put everything into perspective
29:16
for me. Doing readings for other people and then
29:20
getting feedback was fabulous. I never ever asked
29:25
for feedback. Well, no, I'll correct myself there.
29:29
I would say to them, I would love to know if
29:31
this resonates for you, but don't feel pressured
29:34
to answer me because what I don't want them to
29:37
do is to... be nice, like in circle, like what
29:42
Nicholas says, don't tell them, don't say that's
29:45
correct if it isn't, don't feed them, you need
29:48
to be brutal. And so I had a couple of, I want
29:54
to say within some personal, some family member
29:57
readings where things actually happened that
30:00
I even dreamt about that connected to. Wow. So
30:06
that for me really was a big stepping stone for
30:10
me to have a bit more self -belief. Do you find
30:14
reading for friends and family is harder than
30:16
reading for strangers because you know them?
30:18
Much easier to read for a stranger than it is
30:22
a friend or a family because a you know the background
30:26
for friends and family. What I do tend to say
30:29
is this is what I know before I start the reading.
30:33
Excuse me. Also friends and family like to put
30:37
their spin on it. and and that frustrates me
30:42
sometimes because they'll say oh no that's that's
30:45
that's that's not that that's that and i'm like
30:47
uh that's not what i'm feeling but go ahead it's
30:50
your reading i don't say that i will just sit
30:53
back and think you know it does frustrate me
30:56
so i do find it much easier to read for people
30:59
i know nothing about yeah no it's interesting
31:02
isn't it i found the people who i have fallen
31:06
flat on my face with are friends And I find it
31:09
so frustrating because in my head I'm thinking,
31:13
well, surely these are the people that it should
31:15
be spot on for because not that I know them.
31:20
Yes, I know them, but I feel comfortable with
31:22
them. I feel comfortable enough to do this with
31:24
them. But actually, it's the strangers. It's
31:26
the people on Zoom. It's the people in circle
31:28
who you don't have a lot of knowledge about their
31:31
personal life, about that's where it really flies.
31:34
It's really interesting, isn't it, how that works?
31:37
Definitely. Do you feel that you need to be specially
31:40
trained on tarot cards in order to use them?
31:44
After I finished my one -to -one course with
31:47
Claire, I then went on and downloaded an online
31:50
course because it's really good to get as much
31:53
perspective on the cards as possible. And I did
31:56
that. Some people can just... I have a lady that
32:01
I read for quite regularly. She just seems to
32:04
know the cards already. So... I've said to her,
32:08
look, and we did, I just started as a teacher,
32:11
just time constraints, we haven't continued it,
32:13
but I'm definitely open to it because I can see
32:15
it in her. So, no, anybody can do it. Same as,
32:19
you know, our development, we're all sidekick
32:21
to a certain degree, we just have to develop
32:24
it. Yeah, that's the biggest thing I've come
32:27
away from is that... you don't have to be special
32:32
in a verse of commerce to be able to do this.
32:34
In my mind, before this opened up to me, I'd
32:37
always said to my mum, oh, I'd love to have that.
32:40
I'd love to do that. I'd love to be able to do
32:41
that. But I thought it was something, you know,
32:46
putting someone on a pedestal, like, oh, wow,
32:49
they can do it. But actually, we can all do it.
32:52
It's within all this. It's just some people are
32:54
stronger than others. And some people, it becomes
32:58
easier than others. What's that saying? We are
33:00
all psychic, but we're not all mediums. Yes.
33:05
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, interesting.
33:09
That's apparently that's that's a bone of contention
33:11
within within the industry. Apparently some people
33:14
like that. Some people don't. I personally, I
33:17
think we all have it. It's just whether or not
33:22
we are open to it. And I think that's been my
33:25
biggest issue to it is that I know it's there,
33:28
but I need a certificate from the University
33:31
of Mystics and Psychics to tell me that I can
33:34
do it. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so, so
33:40
much for sitting with me and this morning with
33:43
Shelley. And luckily we should do this anyway.
33:46
Oh, I'll be well up. I would love, I was thinking,
33:48
I thought, should I give, should I ask Shelley
33:52
if I should do a reading for her? Because I know
33:54
I read for you in circle a few weeks ago. I'd
33:56
love that. So I might, if you're happy, if you're
33:59
open to that, I might just sit another time and
34:03
record a reading for you. Thank you so much for
34:08
doing this for me. I really appreciated it. One
34:10
final question. What would you say is your favorite
34:13
and your least favorite tarot cards? Oh, gosh.
34:19
Okay. That's a really tough question because
34:26
it... Again, it depends on... It goes from...
34:31
Sometimes I'll pull a card and think, oh, no,
34:33
not that one. I find the... Let me think. The
34:39
Hierophant is a tricky card. It's not my least
34:43
favorite. It's the Hierophant. So the Hierophant
34:45
is head of the church, but it comes with so many
34:49
meanings, so many messages. It can mean it's
34:53
about high levels of commitment, which can equal
34:55
divorce, which can equal marriage, which can
34:57
equal guru energy. And I look at that and think,
35:00
oh crikey, here we go. Which one is it? And that's
35:03
when I clarify it. My most favorite, obviously
35:06
the one that I love to see in every single reading
35:08
is the sun. It's the major arcana. and i just
35:14
feel like i just want to put my face up to the
35:16
someone i feel it and like the vitality oozes
35:19
into you and you can and that's how you get that
35:21
feeling with your readings and i'm sure you do
35:24
the same you know you can you just tap into it
35:27
so yeah i don't have a least favorite i have
35:32
One that contains a lot of messages that will
35:34
give me a bit of a hard time. The Pandora's box
35:37
of the tarot world. Definitely, definitely. Thank
35:41
you so much, Shadi. Where can people find you
35:44
and what are your socials and all that? Okay,
35:48
so I do have my YouTube channel, which is soulful
35:51
tarot, which is soul hyphen fu double L tarot.
35:55
And then I've got Facebook groups called exactly
35:57
the same. And that's it. I'm not interested in
36:00
TikTok. I have to admit, people have asked me
36:02
to do TikTok. It's not my bag. I don't like the
36:06
community there, I'll be honest with you. It
36:08
seems very brutal, especially for this kind of
36:11
work. So I'm still shielding myself a little
36:14
bit. I think you have to, for your own self -worth.
36:17
Yeah, same. I attend online circles by Matthew
36:24
Tao and Dana Willey, some American mediums and
36:28
teachers. and they're always talking about TikTok
36:31
and it terrifies me. I've never been on it. I
36:35
have this almost visceral reaction to the idea
36:38
of being on it because it just seems... You know
36:43
what, people do it great. To me, it just seems
36:46
a little bit cheap and it seems a little bit...
36:48
No, it just doesn't sit quite right with me.
36:51
A hundred percent. And when I found out that
36:53
you can actually buy your audience, I was like,
36:56
that's not for me. Yeah, no, no. No. It's difficult,
37:02
isn't it? Because I've released this podcast
37:04
into the world and for the first month of doing
37:07
it, I found myself just constantly looking at
37:10
my stats, thinking, how many people are listening
37:13
to it? How many people listen to it? And I've
37:15
really had to train myself to not do that and
37:17
think, you know what? If the right people are
37:20
going to get it, then it's going to reach the
37:21
right people. Exactly. And numbers are irrelevant.
37:25
What do they say it's quality, not quantity?
37:28
Well, I'm not sure we've got there yet, but...
37:32
You're amazing, Matt. Matt, your voice is so
37:35
made for podcasts. That's what I'll say. That's
37:38
very kind of you. I might cut that bit out, but
37:41
thank you. Thank you, Shelley. Look, happy Christmas.
37:47
And you too! No, it's not far away. I'm so excited.
37:51
I love Christmas. I love it. So I'm finding this
37:54
one a bit weird. I'm finding it a bit. This house
37:57
is decorated beautifully. We live in a little
37:59
Victorian cottage and we have decorated it very
38:03
Victorian, which is our style anyway. But we're
38:07
going away in the new year as well. So I'm looking
38:08
forward to that more, I think. For years we've
38:11
said, right, we're self -employed. We've got
38:12
to make the most of this. So let's go away for
38:14
a month in January or February. And this year
38:19
we're doing it. We'll be in Bangkok for New Year's
38:21
Eve. and then just going to bum around Thailand
38:24
and Cambodia for a month. Oh my gosh. Hats off
38:28
to you, Matt. Very fortunate position to be able
38:30
to do it. I'm looking forward to it because I
38:34
want to record an episode while I'm in the grounds
38:36
of Angkor Wat. Where's that? I'm a bit naive
38:40
about that. You know the Tomb Raider? If I say
38:48
Tomb Raider, the big temple in the jungle. So
38:51
we're going to be there for three days. So I'd
38:54
like to record an episode there just to see what
38:58
I can feel. Probably lots of tourists on their
39:00
bikes. How does your partner cope with, not cope,
39:04
but is he on board with your spirituality? Or
39:08
does it look a bit like my partner is like, yeah,
39:10
I love you. I'll support you. There's got to
39:12
be something, but I'm not that interested. It's
39:15
interesting because I said on the podcast before
39:17
that he's had experiences, but very quick to
39:20
sort of put them down and just sort of dismiss
39:24
them. With this, I think the biggest thing with
39:28
this with my partner is that he's very conscious
39:31
that this has all come from grief. This is all
39:36
sparked from the death of my mum. And this is
39:39
the reason why I've been so sceptical about it
39:41
as well, because I'm very aware of that. Equally
39:44
so is, or likewise so is he. So I think he worries
39:47
that I'm doing this as a coping mechanism and
39:52
that one day I'm going to just break down into
39:54
a, you know, a glob of goo on the floor and not
39:58
be able to cope. I really enjoy watching Tyler
40:02
Henry on Netflix, his live things. He's such
40:07
a, he's such a, he's so talented. He doesn't
40:12
read how I read at all. Doesn't he? He channels
40:15
it through drawing and you know what? I've tried
40:17
that I have tried that and actually it's interesting
40:20
I did it on One of the girls in circle and it
40:24
what it does work. It does help you channel and
40:26
I was thinking Why am I doing this and as I was
40:29
doodling I realized I was doodling seagulls and
40:34
I thought as we you know, we focus on color and
40:38
objects in circle I thought, well, why am I doodling
40:42
seagulls? So I just started to talk about that
40:45
and let that inspire me. And actually that took
40:47
me to a really interesting place with her. But
40:51
he poo -poos it quite a bit. He's like, yeah,
40:55
but that's so generic. You could say it to anyone.
40:58
He's like, yeah, but it's... And for the tarot?
41:02
I've got my cards all here wrapped up in my mum's
41:05
scarf. so I've got loads of oracle cards and
41:08
tarot cards and when I go to do a reading with
41:10
someone I take it along these bundles of cards
41:13
and I just and I don't know what they are each
41:15
I forget which what which deck is in which scarf
41:18
but I say to them right you choose whatever one
41:21
calls to you you choose now yeah but he doesn't
41:26
I think for him he's too analytical he's where
41:29
I was two years ago and that's fine um cancer
41:36
oh he's a mortar son oh oh is that water yeah
41:41
can't surprise me scorpio because i'm leo so
41:44
that you're leo yeah that might explain a few
41:46
things fire and water that's not too bad you
41:50
should dampen each other down you know you should
41:52
like it's a nice combo we do each other right
41:55
yeah whereas i go sort of like sky high he's
41:58
obviously brings me down to reality a bit more
42:00
and where he's can be a little bit pessimistic
42:05
I'm more optimistic lovely combination actually
42:11
just quickly before we go so Claire who taught
42:15
me tarot it's just been in touch with me again
42:17
saying Shelley will you do an astrology course
42:21
with me and I'm like oh no oh my gosh that's
42:24
a massive black hole I'm like oh no no no no
42:27
anyway she's taught me about your Sun your Moon
42:30
your rising signs and that's now starting to
42:33
also come into my readings. I'm not going to
42:36
use them in my readings but it's in the background
42:38
so yeah I've noticed in my tone astrology as
42:41
well. It's such a huge subject isn't it? It's
42:47
and what I don't want to do because the biggest
42:49
comments I get on my channel is we love your
42:52
readings because they're so simple so when I
42:55
listen to a reader and they start off saying
42:57
well you know, Mercury's in Capricorn and Pluto's
43:02
up your arse. I'm like, I'm not interested in
43:04
that. I just want to read Tarot. So I said to
43:08
Claire, I don't want to get into that side of
43:10
it. I like it for my knowledge, but it's very
43:14
interesting to find what your sun, your moon,
43:16
and your rising is. My sun is Pisces. That's
43:20
what I was born under. Your moon is how your
43:23
emotions are. And I'm Pisces again. And my rising
43:27
is Gemini, so very chatty, very sociable, but
43:31
can be a bit too much. So it'd be interesting
43:34
if you find out what yours are. Do you know what
43:35
they are? I have no idea. No. How would you find
43:37
that out? So what you do is all you need to know
43:40
is your birth date, but the time you were born
43:42
as well. Now, my uncle vaguely remembers. I don't
43:45
think it's on your birth certificate. It might
43:47
be. I can't find mine. You can just Google it,
43:50
and they'll give you a link. There's like a...
43:54
I'll send you the link. You put in the date of
43:57
birth, where you're born, the time and it'll
43:59
bring up your moon and your rising and obviously
44:02
your sun sign is Leo. And that can actually make
44:07
you think, oh wow, now I understand why I'm a
44:09
bit of Gemini. Do you know what I mean? Well,
44:12
I do wonder because there's definitely something
44:15
in it because there's several Leos in my family
44:18
or there were several Leos in my family. Me,
44:21
my auntie, my mum, my nan. um my my mother -in
44:25
-law all leos and all share fairly similar traits
44:31
but there's big differences between us as well
44:33
um now you could say well that's just everyone's
44:37
got a different personality but these threads
44:39
do tend to reverberate don't they what is a leo
44:44
my ex -husband's a leo and my middle son is a
44:48
leo so we've got a little a hell of a lot of
44:51
leo it made for a very expensive august yeah
44:57
i had it uh 11 21 and 31 it's crazy isn't it
45:02
interesting shelly thank you so much when you
45:05
find out your when you find out your time of
45:07
birth and your date of birth and bring it to
45:10
send it to me and i'll do it for you okay All
45:13
right I'll tell you what I'll have a look through
45:14
it it's here somewhere within the masses of boxes
45:17
somewhere all right and I'll do if you're happy
45:20
for me to do you a reading oh gosh yeah yeah
45:23
have a lovely Christmas and happy new year yes
45:26
you too thank you so much for doing this to me
45:28
Shelley it really appreciates it have a wonderful
45:30
time and I'll speak to you soon all right all
45:32
right take care Matt bye bye Oh I really hope
45:54
you enjoyed that as much as I did. It was so
45:57
good to speak with Shelley this morning. We had
45:59
tried to record that two or three times but for
46:04
some reason the technology just did not want
46:05
to work. I'm glad that we were finally able to
46:08
get that done this morning. I think for me the
46:11
takeaway phrase of that conversation was Pluto
46:15
up your ass. I never thought I'd get to hear
46:18
Shelley say that so... I very much enjoyed speaking
46:22
to Shelley and re -listening to that. I hope
46:25
you found that conversation interesting. And
46:29
I would like to once again just say a massive
46:31
thank you to Shelley for agreeing to come onto
46:33
my podcast, being my very first guest. Hopefully
46:37
not my last one though. But if you want a reading
46:40
from Shelley, a tarot card reading, or if you
46:42
want to see how she reads her cards, go over
46:45
to her YouTube channel. and that is soulful tarot
46:49
that is soul hyphen f u l l tarot and you can
46:53
also find her on facebook if you join the private
46:57
group shelly does go live every now and then
47:00
and you can watch her do a live tarot card reading
47:03
it's really interesting Oh, I'm just so glad
47:09
we did that because we spoke about everything
47:12
from tarot cards, readings, to holidays and zodiac
47:15
signs. It gives me such a big smile. And what
47:19
a way to end this year. It's been a really up
47:22
and down one for me as you well and truly know.
47:26
but I'm really glad that I'm going to be ending
47:28
it on a high. I'm really glad that I was able
47:31
to speak with Shelley and we were able to get
47:35
this wrapped up in time for the new year. As
47:38
you'll have heard me say during that conversation,
47:41
I will be away for most of January. Very lucky.
47:44
I'm very aware of how lucky I am to be able to
47:47
travel, but it does mean that I may not be able
47:50
to upload an episode for a while. I will try
47:53
and record something while we are visiting Angkor
47:56
Wat. Hopefully I can find a quiet corner away
48:00
from tourists and just soak up the atmosphere
48:03
and I'd really like to try and share that with
48:06
you if I can. But I will be depending on internet
48:09
and I will be in Southeast Asia which should
48:12
be okay but I can't promise anything so no promises.
48:17
and all that leaves me to say to you guys is
48:20
thank you if you have been listening from the
48:22
beginning I know it's only a small audience but
48:25
thank you so much it really warms my heart to
48:28
know that you guys are out there I want to wish
48:31
you all a very happy festive season and a very
48:34
happy new year I'll be updating my Instagram
48:37
and that's where you can reach out to me happy
48:39
to hear from you happy to answer any questions
48:42
and again happy new year take care guys Bye.