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Colin Kaepernick Took a Knee...The Media Wasn’t Ready | Bomani Jones & Jason Goff · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Wave.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 2: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
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  Speaker 2: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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  Speaker 2: a hater. We are doing our series on Colin Kaepernick
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  Speaker 2: 10 years after The protest.
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  Speaker 3: This is our second episode. Check out our first one.
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  Speaker 2: It was with Charles McDonald talking about Colin as football player.
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  Speaker 2: And now we are going to talk about the year 2016.
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  Speaker 2: Next episode is with Howard Bryant talking about 2017 to
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  Speaker 2: like 2019 and then 2020 and beyond. We'll be with
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  Speaker 2: my man Jason Anglin.
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  Speaker 3: But right now.
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  Speaker 2: Coming to us live from Chicago, Illinois, the boy Jason Goff.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: What's up, bro?
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  Speaker 4: How you doing, man? It's a great day here in
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  Speaker 4: the city. You know, sun is shining. Ozzie Gibbs never
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  Speaker 4: got retired. Shout out to Ozzie.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah, people are feeling good about sports here.
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  Speaker 4: Although the Luther Burton injury got everybody in a little tizzy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Y'all got a football team now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you know. Number 18, Cover Madden.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to drop as we're taping here in about
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  Speaker 4: four or five hours. So yeah, you might see the
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  Speaker 4: Bears every once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: You being a Lions fan and all. Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait to go ahead and get them two
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  Speaker 3: off them boards. It's going to be good.
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  Speaker 2: We coming back. Coming back, coming back. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I knew it.
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  Speaker 2: Kaepernick and not even the taking the knee, but the
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  Speaker 2: sitting next to the water cooler. There's a level of
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  Speaker 2: me that feels like this is an exaggeration, but I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's a do you remember where you were?
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  Speaker 2: Not so much when he sat next to the water
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  Speaker 2: cooler because that was a Friday night football game, preseason
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  Speaker 2: football game.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't nobody watching that shit. Apparently Colin was barely watching that.
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  Speaker 2: But the next day, when he came out here, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and said that he was doing it for the homies
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  Speaker 2: in the Shaolin Temple, I know where I was. I
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  Speaker 2: was at my place in Miami. I just moved in
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  Speaker 2: there maybe a month before that, a little bit later.
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  Speaker 2: And he said that, and I was like, oh, buddy,
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  Speaker 2: it's about to be a thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's coming. It's coming. Yeah, we're about to get into our.
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  Speaker 4: I'm 45, going to be 46 here. I didn't get
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  Speaker 4: the chance to witness or be around for Ali saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: y'all want me to fight for a country that won't
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  Speaker 4: fight for me when I get back and all that.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't here for, you know, Tommy and John in
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  Speaker 4: the Olympics. I wasn't here, right? It was one of
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  Speaker 4: those moments where like, oh shit, this is... this is
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  Speaker 4: going to be our generation. And I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 4: throw him in that mix, but this is going to
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  Speaker 4: be our boiling point. Oh, this is how you feel.
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  Speaker 4: And everybody getting out clear. Because there was no running
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  Speaker 4: from what was happening and what was getting ready to happen.
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  Speaker 4: And as a Black man in this space.
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  Speaker 4: You know, white folks turn to you and go, okay,
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  Speaker 4: how do you feel about it? And then we turn
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  Speaker 4: into white folks like, no, no, no. You tell me
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  Speaker 4: how you feel about it.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: You go first.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the Super Bowl in New Orleans where Beyonce
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  Speaker 4: and the lights went out and everybody's looking at each other.
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  Speaker 1: No, back to you, fam. Come on. I got nothing
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  Speaker 1: back to you. They weren't ready for live TV.
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  Speaker 4: In this moment, we weren't ready for live TV as
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  Speaker 4: a sports community because we hadn't gone through, you know,
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  Speaker 4: all around the edges. We talk about, ain't enough black
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  Speaker 4: coaches here. Ain't enough black people here. Ain't enough black
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  Speaker 4: owners here. Like, we shouted and did what we needed
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  Speaker 4: to do. And then all of a sudden, the game,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: It was game day. So I was, I.
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  Speaker 4: Had pretty much just gotten afternoon drive around that time.
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  Speaker 1: Here in the city of Chicago.
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  Speaker 4: So all my life, sports radio was a thing, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like 11, 12 years old, I'm like, oh, shit, we
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  Speaker 1: got a 24-hour station. I get a chance. One day
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be on that station and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to be doing all the things.
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  Speaker 4: That the people who I listen to do in terms
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  Speaker 4: of talk about their experience, talk about life, talk about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the music they liked and all those other things.
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  Speaker 4: I had never had to hear or experience these white
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  Speaker 4: men talk about anything racist.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You want to be a
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  Speaker 1: race fan. You know, all the things back in the day.
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  Speaker 1: And oh, shit, it landed in my lap. 2016.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, we get a chance to tell people
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  Speaker 4: exactly why this is happening. The experiences of not just athletes,
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  Speaker 4: but people who are going to work on a daily
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  Speaker 4: basis who have to before they walk into that door,
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  Speaker 4: understand that there are going to be some things they're
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  Speaker 4: just not understood. about the experience. And now you get
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  Speaker 4: to put it out there for everybody. Boy, was I
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  Speaker 4: wrong when I realized, Oh yeah, we wasn't here for that.
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  Speaker 4: We didn't, we don't care about your experience. And all
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  Speaker 4: those things came rushing at me while I'm talking about, okay,
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  Speaker 4: this is what he's doing. And I, I still, to
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  Speaker 4: this day, because I mean, this is a seminal point in, uh,
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  Speaker 4: my life personally and professionally. I still, to this day
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  Speaker 4: did not appreciate or understand, um, where we weren't as
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  Speaker 4: a country. Right. Like you think things are moving in
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  Speaker 4: a certain direction. They seem like it. But, you know,
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  Speaker 4: shit is still not where it's supposed to be. And
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  Speaker 4: then you get hard stop. Hey, rich folks, this is
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  Speaker 4: how I feel. Poor folks, this is how I feel.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. Do we not go get into the nuance
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  Speaker 1: of none of this?
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  Speaker 4: He talked to Nate Boyer like the things that happened
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  Speaker 4: and we're getting ready to come out. We weren't ready
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  Speaker 4: to dissect or disseminate any of that responsibly, I think.
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  Speaker 4: So when it hits, I'm sitting there like, okay, can't
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  Speaker 4: wait to talk about this. And then you walk into
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  Speaker 4: the gig and you see that people can wait for
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  Speaker 4: you to.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about this, right? And then you talk, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a local situation too here in the city.
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  Speaker 4: So you got everybody there, local experiences, guys, athletes that
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  Speaker 4: they didn't like, that they thought might've been on this
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  Speaker 4: same wave. Hell, we got back into Mahmoud Abdul-Raouf.
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  Speaker 1: All these things started, right, all these things started bubbling up.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, this, They ain't ready for this.
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  Speaker 4: And the they that I was worried about was the
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  Speaker 4: people who were so used to not talking about these
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  Speaker 4: kinds of things and not making it come like people, oh,
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  Speaker 4: you talk about things, things will change. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: black folks have been talking about things for a long,
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  Speaker 4: long time and still waiting for some of that change.
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  Speaker 4: And I think we hit that moment where there is
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback, a dynamic quarterback, a black quarterback saying, in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL, a starting quarterback who, you know, is having success.
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  Speaker 1: Like.
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  Speaker 4: Colin Kaepernick, you know, that Green Bay game is still
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  Speaker 4: one in the playoffs to be remembered for the ages of, oh, shit,
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  Speaker 4: you cannot play man coverage on this man.
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  Speaker 1: Right? Like, you know, the pistol and Chris Alton being
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  Speaker 1: introduced to.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what University of Nevada football was for the first
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  Speaker 4: time on, like, a Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: Like, oh, look at this.
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  Speaker 4: Look at this Finley dude who others would have put
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  Speaker 4: it wide receiver 20 years ago doing this. So now
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  Speaker 4: he gets to this point and he says this and...
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  Speaker 4: I just realized how many people weren't ready for the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: And shockingly so, I realized how many Black media members
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  Speaker 4: weren't ready for the conversation. in a way where it's like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: this is your chance to just tell them how you
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  Speaker 4: feel about something.
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  Speaker 1: And also have the insight of the culture.
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  Speaker 4: That you were raised in, the things that you were told,
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  Speaker 4: the conversation that you had to have. At that time,
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  Speaker 4: my son, who is now nine getting ready to be 10,
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  Speaker 4: he wasn't here yet. So I'm having conversations. Meanwhile, we're
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  Speaker 4: watching this.
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  Speaker 1: Murder porn On our phones.
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  Speaker 4: With everything that's happening, because this is why Colin is kneeling, right?
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  Speaker 4: And I sat there and I thought to myself, like, man,
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  Speaker 4: there was a moment there that I think we.
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  Speaker 1: All got let down by how simplistic we tried to
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  Speaker 1: make it.
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  Speaker 4: In the conversations and the people who are receiving the conversations,
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  Speaker 4: how simplistic, like, don't talk to me about socks with,
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  Speaker 4: with pigs on them.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like, do you care about the message?
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  Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things in that. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And I think these are key things to remember when
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  Speaker 2: we talk about late August, 2016, because I think he
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  Speaker 2: did it on my birthday. Cause I was like, I
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  Speaker 2: had vacation time, but I didn't have time to plan
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  Speaker 2: a vacation. So I wasn't working, but I was still
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  Speaker 2: just in Miami and, One thing to remember, Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: has not been elected. And in fact, the idea of
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  Speaker 2: him being elected still seems like a preposterous thought by August.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're rounding out convention season or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So are you talking about like we thought things were different?
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  Speaker 2: We thought Trump was going to lose.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Like we was like, there's no way they do
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  Speaker 3: that again. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of part number one to bring up
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  Speaker 2: in terms of thinking where we are in time. Number two,
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  Speaker 2: and you just said that I'd almost kind of forgotten
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  Speaker 2: is that. It really kind of starts with Trayvon Martin, right?
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  Speaker 2: We have other names we could throw out. Mike Brown,
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  Speaker 2: I think in 2014, has occurred or whatever. But the
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  Speaker 2: idea or these discussions about police violence against citizens, has
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  Speaker 2: been going for a while now. It was a largely
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  Speaker 2: online issue, but it then came into the mainstream. And
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  Speaker 2: so that became the dominant, really, I feel like the
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  Speaker 2: dominant issue of social justice of the.
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  Speaker 3: Time, right? Or a dominant barometer of a certain morality.
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  Speaker 2: Like right now, Israel-Palestine, regardless of where you are, has
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  Speaker 2: become the barometer for morality, right? The police violence thing
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  Speaker 2: had kind of like become that. And because of the videos,
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  Speaker 2: you talk about their murder port. You can watch these
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  Speaker 2: motherfuckers getting shot by the police, right? Not even like,
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  Speaker 2: there's no video of Trayvon Martin. There's no video of
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  Speaker 2: Mike Brown, but there was more. We have all these
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  Speaker 2: things coming, right? Like I think it's 2017 is when
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  Speaker 2: the Laquan McDonald video comes out of Chicago, but, like,
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  Speaker 2: we just have a gradual building of this issue when
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  Speaker 2: it comes up And so Kaepernick, who was not flying
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  Speaker 2: high as a player at that point, was honestly too.
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  Speaker 3: Hurt to play.
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  Speaker 2: I remember just seeing online, because again, this is an
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  Speaker 2: online story at this point. It was the second week
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  Speaker 2: when they had the game where people noticed. It was
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  Speaker 2: the second week that he hadn't stood up.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody noticed. Nobody cared.
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  Speaker 2: But you started to get just like a, hey, picture
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  Speaker 2: from the crowd or from the press box. Akon and
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  Speaker 2: Kaepernick didn't stand with their national anthem. Now, It's a
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  Speaker 2: question to be asking these snitching ass motherfuckers why they
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  Speaker 2: even had to do that or whatever, right? Man just
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  Speaker 2: over there minding his own business. Why y'all out here
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  Speaker 2: being messy, right? So it comes out, or we discovered this,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, ah, wonder how that one's going to
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  Speaker 2: go over. Because as of now, we don't know that
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  Speaker 2: Colin been radicalized. We're not up on game at this point.
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  Speaker 2: We ain't really talked to him about nothing, right? He
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  Speaker 2: just be out here flexing his stuff up to that point.
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  Speaker 2: The quote that he gave Steve White that I will
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  Speaker 2: never forget. I am not going to stand up to
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  Speaker 2: show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses
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  Speaker 2: black people and people of color. To me, this is
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  Speaker 2: bigger than football and it would be selfish on my
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  Speaker 2: part to look the other way. There are bodies in
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  Speaker 2: the street and people getting paid leave and getting away
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  Speaker 2: with murder. He went all the way Michael Evans on it, boy.
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  Speaker 2: He leaned all the way into that. And I remember
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  Speaker 2: when I read that and I was like, Huh.
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  Speaker 1: We're here.
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  Speaker 3: We're here. Let's see how this goes. Now, the work
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  Speaker 3: part for me is funny.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. You're hearing Bigger Than Hip.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes. You're looking for Alexis of Justice. A dream
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  Speaker 3: of some substance.
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  Speaker 1: Some substance, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I don't know if you knew this part or
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  Speaker 2: remember this part, but our longtime Right Time listeners, those
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  Speaker 2: who go back to when the Right Time was a
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  Speaker 2: radio show, Many of you will remember what I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to discuss, which is, remember I told you I was home,
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  Speaker 2: but I was on vacation. And I have a general
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  Speaker 2: outlook when it comes to when I'm on vacation, which is,
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  Speaker 2: I ain't at work.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really care who you put on my show.
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  Speaker 1: I do remember this moment. I was actually listening during
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  Speaker 1: this moment.
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  Speaker 2: And thought, like, is this not a bit? Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: for this week, by coincidence, Will Cade and Kate Fagan
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  Speaker 2: were the guest hosts of the show.
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  Speaker 3: And bless Kate's heart, she did her best.
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  Speaker 2: But this was not the time that my tribe needed
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  Speaker 2: Will Cade. Now, one may have made an argument, and
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  Speaker 2: it could have easily come up, that perhaps in this moment,
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  Speaker 2: I should have gone into work.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's an emergency sort of situation. But I don't
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  Speaker 2: do that. I take my time. We don't leave vacation
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  Speaker 2: on the table.
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  Speaker 3: I take my time. I had to call in the show, man.
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  Speaker 2: Will and Dominique got into it on like a TV
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  Speaker 2: show during the day, and then they came on the
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  Speaker 2: show that afternoon, and they got right back into it.
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  Speaker 2: Shannon was intentionally booking guests to rile Will up. I
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  Speaker 2: really had to call into the show to let everybody
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  Speaker 2: know it's going to be OK.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Like I'm here. I should I should have left
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  Speaker 3: you without a dope beat to step to. You're right.
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  Speaker 3: Like that was that was that was all me that
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  Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: I dare you.
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  Speaker 2: It just gradually kind of burned. It just kind of
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  Speaker 2: gradually burned. It gradually got going. Um, and then it
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  Speaker 2: got to the place where Colin had to have the
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  Speaker 2: summit with the Nate Boyer dude about what to do
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  Speaker 2: because they were going to play a preseason game in
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  Speaker 2: San Diego. And for those of you who don't know
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  Speaker 2: San Diego military it out.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe it was military night at the game.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the game where Colin kneeled for the
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  Speaker 2: first time and the kneeling became the gesture. The story
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  Speaker 2: was that it was Nate Boyer's idea to, Eric Reid
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  Speaker 2: says that it was his idea. The details of it,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think are that important. What I do think
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  Speaker 2: is important is that the idea was kneeling is a
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  Speaker 2: way of giving deference. And so perhaps I will not
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  Speaker 2: stand for this anthem, but I will kneel as a
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  Speaker 2: way to show deference because the National Anthem apparently now
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  Speaker 2: entirely belongs to the military. It wasn't always like that before,
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  Speaker 2: but now it's there. So anything you do during the
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  Speaker 2: National Anthem is actually about the military. I ain't really
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  Speaker 2: know that shit until right then. I had never thought
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  Speaker 2: about that when they would have us do all that
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  Speaker 2: stuff in school. I wouldn't think about that not one time.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, Colin did the kneeling. And honestly, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there was a single person who didn't like the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he didn't stand and saw the kneeling and
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay. I think that's an appropriate compromise.
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  Speaker 2: That was how you knew it wasn't about the sitting
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't about the kneeling. It was really fundamentally
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  Speaker 2: about the point. And he was like, hey man, any
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  Speaker 2: white folks out here tripping, dog, and I've had enough
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  Speaker 2: of this.
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  Speaker 4: I just didn't, the outrage seemed like, you know, there's
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  Speaker 4: always one question that you can ask to kind of
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  Speaker 4: get you to an answer, right?
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  Speaker 1: With the outrage, it was like, hey, but, you know,
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  Speaker 1: these freedoms you speak of, OK, cool. Now we're done.
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  Speaker 1: We back to it. Or, hey, man, do you understand?
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  Speaker 4: Like for me, perspective is when you've got the most
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  Speaker 4: privilege in a conversation, shutting the fuck up and and
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  Speaker 4: listening because you might be right or you might learn something. Right.
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  Speaker 4: Like if you think this is ridiculous, why is this happening?
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  Speaker 4: The why is this happening was being answered for you in.
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  Speaker 4: Short media clips, long form news segments. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: talk about world news on every channel, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSN.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Everybody's covering it. You know why this is happening.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: Like the obtuse nature with which, you know, the capitalists
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: and also that's the part that always bothered me was
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: the poor folks that was calling me. talking about, you know,
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: this is what you should do and this is what
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: they should. I'm like, listen, man, you're a couple of
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: steps away from this happening to you. You ain't got
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: no bread. These marginalized and underserved communities, all these catchphrases
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: that we like to throw on, these are Black people
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: problems that Black people are bringing to you and saying, hey,
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: this shit ain't cool.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: You don't understand why. You don't want to understand why.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: And also, it showed me Very, very, I guess, midway
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: through the game in terms of career-wise. I played ball
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: in a suburb of Chicago on Saturday mornings. And a
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: guy who used to host at the radio station that
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: I worked at, legendary dude, came up to me.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And he saw me playing ball. Hey, how you doing? Hey,
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: what's going on? How you feeling? He goes, be careful
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: with the Kaepernick stuff. And immediately, you know, what you
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: This is a man who for years on the station
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: had done anything that he really wanted to do in
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: terms of race, in terms of saying wild shit.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's Chicago. You got some wild out dudes.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: And they loved him for it.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: And I said, hey, man, what would you do if
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: anybody ever told you in the position that you was
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: in to be careful about what you talk about? And
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: what I didn't know he was telling me was, hey,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the people that make the decisions are all on that side.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: That's what he was trying to tell me. So while
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: this is unfolding, you're finding out, oh, it's not only
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: the ranters and ravers and the hoopers and hollers.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: And then you see, you're going to see what happens
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: with the Cowboys and Jerry Jones playing that flag. No,
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: no pun intended. And guys linking arms. And you see
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: what happens with Kenny Stills. And you see what's going.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: On around the league. And you're like, oh.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: It's not only the quiet, you know, burden, it's the
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: loud truth that these people are rocking with here. And
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: to be, I don't know about, how'd you, it felt
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: under siege in a way where it was like, hey man,
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: Y'all told me y'all wanted my opinions. Y'all told me
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: y'all wanted me to tell you the truth about things.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: We tell these athletes, hey, be great at the sport,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: but also, hey, man, how you feeling about certain shit?
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: If you want to divulge, right? You know, who's the
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: goalie for the Boston Bruins that didn't go to.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: The White House? I forget his name. But it's like, no, no, no.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Thank you for telling me how you feel. You feel me?
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: I can go now forward with whatever information. This dude
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: tells you, hey, by the way, you know, black folks
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: keep getting shot. The violence is not stopping. By the way,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: it hasn't stopped. We're 10 years later. It's just still
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: going on. I've heard you talk about it many times. Seemingly,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: people got tired of discussing the subject, even though it's
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: still going on.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: But somebody said, hey, ain't this crazy to nobody?
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: And then it blows up. And then you get all
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: the politics that go into it. And then you get
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl halftime shows and all these other things.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I just sat there. It was a moment. And let's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: face it, too.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: I was doing what I needed to do. And the
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: people who owned the station that I worked at sent emails, oh,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: we're so proud to have somebody like you in our fold,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: in our company, in our network. And I'm like, but
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: what y'all going to say? Shout out to me for,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I guess, saying something. But what how do y'all feel
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: about this and things got quiet and then you look
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: around the city and you're like oh they got a
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: lot of y'all very very quiet in a in a
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: in a ecosystem that we're.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: Not supposed to be quiet we ran the rave about
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: backup tight ends and all these other things that don't
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: matter all the time why is this now and I
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: realized okay If you feel a certain way about.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Self-awareness and inventory, you don't know if this is the
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: last check you're going to get. So you might have
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: to keep quiet about these things.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you something I learned. I'll never forget.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: In 08, 08 was the year I started doing radio.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Was listening to the sports talk station, and they was
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: doing something. And he was a generally good dude. Like
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: his cats, I ain't got nothing bad to say about.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But they were doing a thing.
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Who was more black, Obama or Tiger Woods?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And I think that they were intended to be tongue-in-cheek, comma, however.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Now, this is the lesson that I learned here. It
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: was that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: When y'all be listening to the radio station and that
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: dude on the radio say something crazy, you just turn
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: that shit off and go to work. When I be
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: listening to the radio station and that motherfucker say something crazy,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: I just turn that shit off and go to work.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: And he right there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: He in the cafeteria not in the cafeteria he on
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the bike like like like you you buy the water
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: cooler yeah like it runs through your mind can i
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: be krs1 right now and pull up on pm dawn
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like it's like this is this is on the board
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: if you gangster right like if you really the man
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: you say you are you can run up in here
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: and do something about it but you're not What are
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you talking about?
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: You're making me think of the phone call, dog. It's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: so crazy.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: I used to get a phone call at a desk
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: that I never sat at during the show, during the
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: times that I was gone, and every day this dude
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: would leave a voicemail, like these veiled death threats or whatever.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And one day, I was walking past the phone, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I dubbed the phone call because I talked about it
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: on the air the next day. I was walking past
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: the phone, and it rang, and I thought.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: To myself, this is him. I'm like, this is it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: I pick up the phone and I go, hey, man,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I know this is you. And I know the message
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: you're getting ready to leave. And you didn't hear anything, right?
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: You just hear breathing. I go. don't you think it's
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: weird that you know what time I come in and
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: get off every day.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: And you still in the shadows? Like, it's a way
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to be this guy. This just ain't the most efficient way, right? Like,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the understanding, radio is a different world, man.
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: The understanding of sports radio and just think if podcasting 10.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Years ago would have been what it is now.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: And how many people would have had a nibble of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: this thing that I think it came apart because nobody
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: wanted to get on the message of, hey, what are
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: we going to do about this thing?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that's what people wanted to talk
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: about this.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Because on one hand, black people. I would say black
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: people at the median, certainly, and a certain class of
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: ally wanted to talk about it because it's like, now
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: we got an opportunity for the world to hear us.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: But as the internet has told us, people are addicted
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: to rage. And so the people that wanted to rage,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: no matter what they said about wishing you would stick
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to sports, hell no.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: That shit, like, in fact, I'd be terrified to find.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Out what would happen if that shit popped off right
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: now because it wouldn't be no stick to sports because
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: everybody knows that outrage juice It's the thing, and this
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: topic generates outrage from all parties involved just about different things.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: So we could be out there, man, that shit look
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: like the trial and a time to kill.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: For real.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's free Carl Lee and fry Carl Lee right next
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to each other, just screaming back and forth, right? And
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: by the way, all of this we're talking about and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: all the things that we're talking about in this moment
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: What isn't happening while we're talking about this?
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Colin Kaepernick is not playing football. He is hurt.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: He has not gotten off the oak and the entire
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: world around him has caught on fire. Now, coming up next,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: we'll talk about the fact that eventually at some point
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: he had to get out here.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: And play some football.
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• 25:04
  Speaker 2: All right, we are back with Jason Goff. This gets
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: us to the Colin Kaepernick got benched for Blaine Gabbert,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: which is not really true. Kaepernick was hurt so bad
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: in that 2015 season that he was too hurt for
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: them to release him because otherwise they probably would have
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: cut him because he sounded deal with a terrible structure.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: But he was too injured to get cut.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And the whole way when he wasn't playing, Chip Kelly,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: who was then the head coach, was like, yeah, Colin's hurt.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Colin's hurt. Once Colin was healthy, Colin played. Colin was
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: not bad. The 49ers certainly were.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Terrible. Yeah, they were awful.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: But he was not bad.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And here's the question I want to throw at you,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: because I don't think we've thought about this part. Can
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you imagine how this would have gone if the 49ers.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: were good.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Like if the 49ers were like what if they were
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: good enough to make the playoffs but like what if
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: they were like good enough to really be out here rocking.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Shit well it would have taken football to where it
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: usually wants to go but it's scared to go into
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: that territory of boxing whereas the Mexican versus Irishman.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Or black man versus white man. You know what I mean?
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Or Mexican versus Mexican. You know what I mean?
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: It would have been whoever was on the other side
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: of that. You talk about Blaine Gabbert. Maybe Blaine Gabbert
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: was the beginning of the... He was the blueprint for
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the blackout. You got to make sure that one of
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: them do... This is the other thing, too. During that time,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: if he and that team were great... The problem was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: the people who are fighting on our side of this thing,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: where it's like, you know, you're saying something, y'all.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: They can't fight. Like, everybody who was like, hey, man,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I got so many people.
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Hey, man, I really never looked at it this way,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: and thank you for opening my eyes.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well, where you been? Sorry, I had
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to be the guy to open your eyes to this,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: or Colin Kaepernick.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: But it was also like, you going against, like you mentioned,
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: the Ragers on the other side of this thing.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: And the Ragers... The football audience is, you know.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: A bunch of wild-out white dudes fresh out of college,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: the older white cats who are raising those dudes, and
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: then a bunch of brothers who out here just want
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: to watch the football because we know cats. You know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: we all know a few dudes who got to the league,
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: got close to the league, or should have been in
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: the league for whatever reason. So we all get thrown
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: in that arena together, and it's like, what is the
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: discourse really going to be, right?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: And as you.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Mentioned, even in the dissemination of information... Kyler really didn't
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: have anybody on the side in the media that I
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: knew about on the other side of things where it
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, yeah, we're going to let people know
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: that this contract is ass, that you're more hurt than
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: you are. Like, these things would have gotten out. We
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: learned dudes' vaccination status nowadays, you know, a few years ago. Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the reporting that is and could be done, you also
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: started to see the slant. from the media as well. Like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: who is down with who? Who has to protect certain relationships?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Who has to make sure that this thing flames out
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: in a way, right? Like, you're not going to tell
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: me that collusion was on deck. Hell, we watched it
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: with Lamar Jackson. You think they weren't going to get
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Colin Kaepernick to ask about it?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Well, the thing that got me in terms of, like,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: talking about media, because one of the defining stories that
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: you mentioned a little earlier, the pig socks, which, I mean,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: there was... If we're all being honest, there was always
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: an element of FAM 101. to this right like the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: excitement that somebody has when they first really gotten into
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: like the surrounding literature and the zeitgeist that is around
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that and they're really charged up about what it is
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: and they be going you know I mean that big
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: ass afro and everything else you understand what I'm saying
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: like he was a true believer you know what I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: mean he was in on it 100% the whole way
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: but what we found also is it was.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Media members couldn't wait for the chance. They were waiting
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: for the opportunity.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And one of them in particular was Armando Salguero, who
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: I believe then worked at the Miami Herald because Colin
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: had also done something that is very popular amongst the
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: FM 101 types in this, which is he had that
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: T-shirt with Malcolm F.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Dill.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Castro on it now I had talked to Colin about.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: That and he told me this was very early in
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: the whole thing but he told me that he saw
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: that as a representation of Malcolm's willingness to talk to
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: others in order to get things done, which is a
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: bit of an ahistorical interpretation, only because Malcolm and Castro
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: were allies Like there's no, there's, there's, there's no real
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: way around that.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: There's no bridge I have to cross. There's no bridge
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I have to cross to get to you. I'm aligned
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: with you in a way. Yeah.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: And there were some questions about skepticism that Malcolm had
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: about Castro himself is it's not like Castro was black. However,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in terms like there was, I would say they were
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: much farther from being allies than enemies. I think that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: would be fair. They were not, they were not operating
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: as oppositional forces in part. I think, you know, you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: Castro loved to antagonize the United States in any way possible.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Like, who do you dislike the most? Okay, cool. I'll
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: hitch to that.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: But Salguero, being a Cuban in Miami, they really don't
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: have no sense of humor about that whole Castro situation.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And so he came with the questions when they played
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: the game in Miami. And Colin, I thought, handled the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: questions well. I did not have a problem. Like, they
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: were talking about Pigg's Like, it was the N-word. You
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: understand what I'm saying? Like, I didn't realize people took
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: that term so seriously or so personally.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Like, it's like, okay, he said the cops are pigs. Like,
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: this is... Wait till you hear that Cypress Hill song. Like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I just didn't know. I didn't know that that was,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that we treated.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Or any of the Predator or America's Most Wanted.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Like, I know the police had gotten themselves a promotion
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: in recent times in terms of their role that they
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: played in society, but I didn't realize that was that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: big a deal.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: But it then again became your reminder that nobody got
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: into this, I would say none of the white dudes
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: at least, got into sports media to talk about this stuff.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: They did not. And then it happened.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But then it was some people who just couldn't wait
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to get their lick off when the time came. And
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: it was that was kind of the tour for him
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: through that season. When you stop and think about it,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: like anything was really going to be possible. And when
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you showed up in this new place and we had
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: reached a time in our society where the people who
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: disagreed with him the most fervently were more likely.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: To be quiet.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Right. Like. I don't.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: The idea of liberal media bias has always felt preposterous
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to me in a world where Fox News exists, right?
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: And I know who the white dudes are. They're in charge.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: When you know who runs this stuff, maybe it's just that,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: maybe it's a liberal bias, but liberal doesn't stop you
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: from being racist.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: And my black ass just can't appreciate it. You know
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: what I mean?
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So perhaps there's some separation of everything that's going on.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: But I do think it's fair to look back, especially
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: 10 years later, that there's things that people would have
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: said about Colin if it happened now. that I don't
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: think they were felt as free to say because they
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: knew they sounded a little bit wrong.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Give me something. Give me an example where I could
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: go off of.
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Because I'm listening to you about the media.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Who among us in sports media really stood ten toes
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: down the hardest as a direct critic? of Colin and
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: what he was doing without hiding behind some excuse.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, without making it about the flag or military.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even then, it's like, you know, I understand
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: where he's, you know, he has his view or whatever, comma, however, right?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like today, it'd have been somebody on it
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: a lot more gangster in what their opposition is.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: So the only person that I, because I got into
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: a discussion, shall we say, with this person for about
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: a good 12, 15 minutes about it, was a guy
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: who I dubbed one of my favorite quarterbacks as a kid.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And that was Boomer Esiason. Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we were CBS on the station, so we had
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Boomer Esiason on. And I talked to Boomer Esiason with
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: my co-host about, you know, what Colin was doing, what
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: he was going through. And it seemed like he was... And,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: you know, Boomer's a big, you know, NYPD, FDNY guy. Like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: he does a lot for military and the troops and
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: is always flying that flag. But at the very end
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: of it, I think, one, I'm talking to him about it,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: and the voices I'm talking to you, and he said
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: to me, it seems like you're getting a little emotional
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: about it. And I wanted to answer in that way. Yeah, man, like,
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: there are certain... First of all.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I don't look at emotion as... weakness.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I feel like if your decisions are driven by them,
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: then you will end up looking weak or making weak
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: decisions at some point. But he said that in a
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: way where I'm like, oh, we're getting somewhere. And by
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: the very end of it, he said, I'm not going
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: to have him disrespect my flag.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: And the very last word, because it's my shirt, I'm like, yeah,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: but it's his flag too.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: And in that moment, I remember like, okay, so at
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: least it's being said. And now that you say it,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know many people who came out and was like,
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: this is, screw this. I'm not with this. And these
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: are the reasons why. Why do you think that is?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Why do you think, because it was, I'm trying to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: find a good way to say this.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: I found in my experiences, and this is no shade,
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: when certain folks feel.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Excluded and They do one of two things. They either
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: shit on whatever is being said.
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: Or they get upset that they're excluded from the experience
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: and shit on whatever is being said. I think that
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: there were so many people who didn't understand fully, even
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: though it's.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Right there for you. You don't have to understand, I guess.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: And when the world is talking about something and forcing
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: something in your, in your purview that maybe somebody might
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: have the drop on you or a better understanding, these
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: people don't know how to just come up off of,
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: I simply, surely don't understand what's going on. And I
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: think a lot of the media cats and, and, and,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: and guys and gals hid behind that long enough that
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: they didn't have to make Any kind of real concrete statement.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I think that.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I think that what people deep down were protecting in
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the course of that discussion was their right to not care.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I think that people could very basically and fundamentally understand
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: that the way police is out here also killing everyone.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: They kill white people and get away with it, too.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: That is worth noting. And that was one of the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: more common defenses was would the police kill white people, too?
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: And with it implicit, you don't see us crying.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Right. You see what I'm saying?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Like, I think that people were.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: Defending their right to see these, you know, and in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: many of these cases we talked about, they were very
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: young people. Like not even black men, the boys.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Like they were defending their right to not have to care.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: They were defending their right to be ambivalent to what
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: was going on around it. There's no way for you
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: to say, look, man, I just don't really care.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: You can't do that. What you have to do is
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you have to venerate the police.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: And you have to turn it into a situation where
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: you're saying the police do this just because they got
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: a zillion things going on.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: They got this. They got that.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: You know, the heroes deep down got to break some
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: heads to make some omelets. You know, like they were
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: they were they were going through all of those things because.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: But you couldn't you couldn't really come out there.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It was very difficult in that time to stand up
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and fervently be like, what is he talking about?
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: They just didn't want to care about what it was.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I do think that there's a heavy liberal sort of
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: presence in the media, certainly. But I don't think that
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: it was enough to where I felt like, oh my God,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: every time I go to a press box, it feels
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: like I went to a DSA meeting.
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: No, that's not.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: Like those those of us who work in this are
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: kind of like no it never it doesn't if you
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: really want to know it don't feel that way to
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: me but I'm talking to a boss or anything like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: that right like it's not there I think now after
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: 10 years of Trump being at our faces like Boomer
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Esiason is a great example he is a very conservative
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: man and now we know that in ways that I
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: don't think we knew it before Right. I think that
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: he feels a little more comfortable being 10 toes down
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: on that. There's always been somebody in your local market
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: or whatever who will go out there and be that guy. Honestly,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the difference between now and call it 20 years ago was.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: That me and you were there 10 years ago.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Like like in that time period, you know, like 10
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: years before that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: No, not really. They wouldn't, you know, the.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: The people that had these views were like few and
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: far between than as more young people. I think that
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: was what I really thought by and large was that youth,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: like age was maybe the variable.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: The thing that pissed me off in my travels were
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: the people who would, I'll never forget Vinny Del Negro
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: was coaching a Bulls team that was going up against
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Tyreek Evans and the Sacramento Kings. And it was either
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: rookie year Tyreek or second year where Tyreek was just
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: a monster.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: And they came back from 31 down. Some crazy shit
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: And everybody is sitting there in the in the media
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: uh press conference post game and i'm in there and
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: it's like one of the first times i'm asking questions
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: and i go hey man you worried about your job
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: security after some shit like that go down and vinny
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: straight up look me in the face answer the question
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: whatever and then as we're walking out vinny daps me
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: like i understand.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: He's been around the league forever, right? He ain't a
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: good coach. You know what I'm saying?
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: You know how many people in that media, scrum, press conference,
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: post-game thing was like, man, I'd have never been able
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: to ask that.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: That was great, though. And I'm sitting there like, but
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: why not? You just watched the same shit I just watched.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And that moment was.
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: 100x for me during 2016. because it's a city with
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of microphones, and we only get a few
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: of them.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, y'all, what y'all think?
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: And you get everything that everybody thinks behind the scenes
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: when it's time to.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Flip that red light on that on-air button, come on.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: shit changes a little.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: And I was just, I was astounded by it because
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: maybe I didn't, maybe I didn't understand the magnitude. See,
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: I thought it would be a thing that passed where
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: we look back on it and, you know, how we
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: look back on other figures. Like, I hate to keep
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: going back to Ali, but Ali wasn't beloved, right? But
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: there were people who were like, hey man, you doing
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: what he's supposed to be doing? Them people didn't have microphones.
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: So if you got the microphone and you feel that way,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: say this.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: And then shortly after that, you know, your boy get
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: let go.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: You know, Wayne Brady's turned into Malcolm X's on the air.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: It becomes an inventory thing. Like, you know, we can
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: sell this now.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: And I hate the word woke because now it's been used. Like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: let me break this to some of the people who
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: still use this as a pejorative in this way. It
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: sounds like you're saying... inward or inward activities to all.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: And I, and I've been waiting my entire last five,
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: six years.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Hey, for all the white folks out there to think
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: that when they said, I don't want to sound woke
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: or not, or they were too woke or they lost
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: something because they were woke.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: It sounds a way.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: And in these conversations, we should be able to pass
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: along these feelings and these experiences. Man, when I find
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: out that media members were on that side and now
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: have been, you know, converted or are standing even harder, I'm.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, man, shit. Feel free. It ain't like it's
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: going to lose you any business these days. You know
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: what I mean? You out here rolling.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: With the crimson tide of the early aughts.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Y'all got some championships.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: Y'all running around putting pros in the league. If you
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: think that this is the last we're going to see
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: of this, this is just 1.0. So, yeah, people saying
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: a lot of things. Like, for instance, the WNBA discourse
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: and the way it's going down now.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: What?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine if one of them had decided not
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: to stand for the national anthem?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, let's be real.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: Um, the most disrespected person walking around your office or
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: in your sphere is probably a black woman.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I'm not even going to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: do the woman of color thing. It is a black woman.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: So, you know, and they've been holding shit down with
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: motherfuckers in the NBA was too.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I almost said the word, but was too pumped to
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: do anything. Right? Yeah! Yeah!
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, when Derrick Rose wore his I Can't
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: Breathe shirt, the ladies had been doing it for a
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: couple of weeks before that, right?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Like, man, I'm not, you know, shout out to.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Derrick, because he was one of the few that actually
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: was doing it without getting everybody together and doing a
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: team photo and making it marketing, right?
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: But like, man, please. Like, where we are now.
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: And how we how we challenged thought, hopefully, and how
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: we're going to continue to challenge thought, that moment showed
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: me a lot in terms of, you know, they're going
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: to forget about the moment, but you should probably never
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: forget how you handled that moment. And there's a lot
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: of people who are running around handling that moment that's,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: you know, probably a shout out to them, but, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: integrity ain't for sale.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we realized, or I don't think
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I fully realized that what was beginning.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: at least it felt like a moment at a point, right?
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Like I think a fundamental question about all of these
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: things is, was it a moment or was it a
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: movement or was it a moment, right? And when we
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: get to like talking about 2020, that question becomes a
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: lot more prominent. But when you think about the stuff
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: with black folks and police, like you think about the
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: protests in Ferguson, you think about how it went with
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Trayvon Martin. You think about it leading up to Kaepernick.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: There really was a long, a long stretch of a
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: sustained outrage about this issue. And we did start to
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: see some things like by the time the Kwan McDonald
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: thing comes around, like it was treated. These things were
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: treated more seriously. George Floyd was the culmination of it
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: where people had to be like, damn, that's fucked up.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: You know, like it reached that point and it reached
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: that build and college shook up the world. Like, and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: while it was happening, it kind of felt like it, right?
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: But I don't know if it felt like that off
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of the internet. Because on the internet, it felt like
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: that's what was happening. But that's where media people and
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: people who consume media were getting together and kind of
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: going back and forth and hollering at each other and
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: everything else. I mean, me doing a lot of the hollering,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: just to be clear. You know, that's where we were,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: but it was... It was part of a move. It
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: was part of a larger thing. And yeah, we had the,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I can't breathe and stuff like this, but this, like
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: this right here landed when Colin did. And it was,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: and it was because he was an NFL quarterback. a
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: quarterback who had been to a Super Bowl, like a
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: name that people knew, and you could make the argument
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: that his career was down and that's why he did it.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: Well, Curt Flood's career was.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Down when he did that thing that he did, but
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: it didn't mean he didn't do the thing, right? Maybe
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: he had the thing that puts him to the point
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: of not giving a fuck no more. That happens, but
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: somebody still has to do the thing. He wasn't the
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: only person whose career wasn't going good. He's the one
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: who did the thing.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: And if he wasn't ready for understanding of the moment,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: do you think that he would give up being.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: A backup for the next four or five years?
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I don't think he knew it would go like that.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I don't think he thought.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Now, on one level, it's fair to ask the question,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: if he did know it was going to shake out
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: like this, would he have done it?
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: But the bottom line is, he did the thing.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: He did it. Yeah, he did it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: And he forced a conversation. And his partner, Ness, she
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: still rides hard for him and is doing what she's doing,
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: doing a great job in New York radio. And the
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: know your rights thing. People have gotten information and education
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: on things that we wouldn't have had conversations around. I mean,
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: it's the most important position in American sports is quarterback. Okay?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you might say best player on the
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: NBA team. No. Pitcher on a baseball team, shortstop. No.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: It's the glamour boy position of the country.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: High school kids grow up and want to be that, right?
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: There are professionals who, if you stay in the league
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: long enough, you're going to catch some of this glory.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Shout out to Sam Darnold, right? You want that position.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: You want that moment. And for.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: that position at that moment to speak to things. I mean,
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: it's what we've always talked about. You're the CEO of
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: the team and you're the leader of the team. But
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: when moments got a little hairy, hey, remember, you're the quarterback.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Everybody's looking at you. Moment got hairy and he was like, yeah,
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: everybody is looking at me.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: I appreciate it in a way that at that time
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: when I was getting ready to have my first son,
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking about How am I going to raise a
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: young black man in this atmosphere with all that shit
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: going on at the same time? I remember going on
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: the air shortly after I dropped his, his mom was
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: pregnant with him and drop her off.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And she was listening.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: We were listening to the news and listening to like the,
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: pretty much the roundup of what had happened over the
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: last two weeks of, of young black men being shot
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: by the police.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: And she starts to sob.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: And now I got to go in to a, a
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: four-hour sports radio show and act like that didn't happen?
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: No. This is a conversation. We're not going to have.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Like, it's as if when there's mass shootings and gun
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: violence and we go... Hey, man, T's and P's, it's
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: not a time to politicize this. We're going to talk
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: about this some other time. Don't use these people's deaths. Well,
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: guess what, man? So many deaths was happening. It's like, hey,
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: there ain't going to be no other time. We should
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: probably get to this now and see where everybody stands.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: And that's why, like, the seeing where everybody stands part
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: is always, you know, it's always jarring for some, right?
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: And I think it was so jarring for everybody else.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: In the country, they was like, wait a minute, this
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: is where you stand with this?
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: This is how you feel?
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: Hell, I got police in my family who are like, yeah, man,
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: it's some grimy shit that goes down.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: You know, some things that we not even.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, down with. And I'm like, yeah, but let's say this.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: If the dude who is on the Nike ad, if
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: the dude who can get anything and have anything in the.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: World that he wants because of the position he holds,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: not just in this country, but in this world, You've
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: got excess resource. You've got excess network. You're around billionaires
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: because of the ownership groups.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: You travel. Yeah. If he's got this on his heart
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and he... You know what I get pissed about?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: When people don't want to hear from rich folks because
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: you damn sure don't want to hear from poor folks.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So who you want to hear from? Right. You feel me?
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: You're not going to listen to the pro folks because
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: you're not around them. And if a rich motherfucker say, hey,
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: by the way, man, with all this privilege and everything
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: that I have amassed because of my talent.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: There's something sitting on my heart heavy. Yeah, I want
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: to speak on it.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: And to see the response by employers, by corporations, by
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: the league, by sports media, it was one of those, okay,
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: It's just a temperature check. Every 10 years, every five
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: years or so, we get a temperature check. And that
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: was the temperature check.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: All right. Let me ask this last thing before we go.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: When Colin played his last game in the 2016 season,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: did you think that was going to be his last game, period?
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: Because I was still under the assumption that, hey, man,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: I didn't see murderers get their gags back.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think when exactly I realized it wasn't
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: going down. I feel like definitely once he didn't have
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: a job and the season started, it was like, oh, no, no, no.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: This just ain't happening.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I think maybe it might have taken for me to
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: get through training camp and nobody even just needed a
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: live arm or anything. But I'm really trying to look
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: back and think to myself, when did I fully realize
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: it's a wrap, dawg?
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: We grew up, though, understanding that collusion was a thing
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: that you can get in trouble for as kids, right?
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So it was like, oh, no, no, don't worry about it.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: But also, it would require the whole goddamn league to
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: be so mad about this.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: And in a league where everybody need a quarterback, nobody.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Again, you said Michael Vick got out and it was
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: a line.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Wait, no.
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: When I was talking about murders, I had some Atlanta
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: people coming after me.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: Nah, nah. I wasn't referring to Mike. I was just
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: using Mike as an example of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: This is the country of second chances. You kidding me?
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Like, and did you really need a second chance by saying, hey, y'all,
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: it's kind of fucked up what's going on. I don't
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: know if y'all are seeing this.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you couldn't have told me that that dude
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: wouldn't find.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: And then the pretzels that people tied themselves, the knots
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: that people tied themselves. Well, you got to change the
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: whole system, boy.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Greg Roman saw Chris' old system and, like, college.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: Football video game was like, hey, we can just put
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: this package in and run this with some different verbiage.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Don't tell me shit.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: About a system that you got to build for a strong-armed,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: left-handed quarterback.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: He's lefty, right? He's right-handed.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: He's right-handed.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: He's a strong-armed, right-handed quarterback that runs like a gazelle. And, well,
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: you know, his anticipation and his accuracy. Man, hey, let
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: me tell you what I saw, though. I saw him
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: go 12-4. I saw him shred the Packers.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: In his first playoff. Super Bowl, two NFC championships.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: What?
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: You're going to tell me in a league that, as
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: a Bears fan, dude, I've watched Steve Stenstrom, Chad Hutchinson.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: You feel me? I've watched Drew Henson. I've watched Craig
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Krenzel play football.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: I've seen Jonathan Quinn throw a football to a man
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: who was getting paid to catch it and not get there.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: I've seen so many things.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: Me and Cleveland Browns fans should have been right there
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: at the altar like, no, no, y'all, somebody.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Can figure it out. I had to watch some shit.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: Shout out to Steve Berline and so many Steves.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Steve Walsh.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I done seen every Steve ever play quarterback. You mean
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: to tell me this man's saying, hey, can y'all stop
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: shooting this? It's going to be the difference between him
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: playing and not playing?
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: All right. I got you. I got you. This man said,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I done seen so many Steves.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: I done seen every Steve ever play football for the
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: Chicago Bears at the quarterback position. I done seen Mike Tomczak.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: You're going to tell me this is what it is? So, hey, man,
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: there is nothing more powerful than a decision maker with
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: insecurities and a lack of understanding. And I think you
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: look across the board in terms of ownership groups, you're
• 53:57
  Speaker 4: going to find enough of them.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: And they're like, we can't do this. Juice ain't worth
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: the squeeze. Huh? Tim Tebow. You know, hey, Tim is
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: about God.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: Okay? He can do whatever he want. Anytime the Jets
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: come on through. The Jets had a press conference for
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: signing a backup quarterback.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: You remember when that was going on?
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: You remember that?
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: They did.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, you know, and now, you know, fast forward 10
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: years later, we got freestyles at block parties about, you know,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: struggles and crazy shit going on.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Like I hate how this turned out for everybody, man. Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Like everybody involved, brother, everybody. I don't think there was
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: one winner in this situation.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: And that's a question we'll get to as this series
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: goes on.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: That is Jason golf. My brother. I appreciate you.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, man.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: All right, man.
• 54:50
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• 54:51
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• 54:53
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• 54:56
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• 54:56
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