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Iván Herrera is close to a return as Cardinals try to salvage final week of first half · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a Cardinal Territory. It is our sixty
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Speaker 1: ninth episode. Shout Out, Chip Carry. I'm your host, Katie Wu.
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Speaker 1: We are recording this Wednesday night from Bushetiam. You'll see
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Speaker 1: a Thursday morning. After taking game one of the three
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Speaker 1: game series against the Washington Nationals four to two on
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Speaker 1: Tuesday behind five innings of two run ball from Sunny Gray,
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Speaker 1: Saint Louis fell eight to two tonight, setting up a
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Speaker 1: pivotal rubber match.
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Speaker 2: On Thursday evening.
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Speaker 1: And as much as I try not to be the
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Speaker 1: dramatic the sky is falling kind of girl, it really
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Speaker 1: feels like Thursday is a must win game.
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Speaker 2: Tonight's game was not great.
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Speaker 1: Plante gave up audit, Plante gave up a three run
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Speaker 1: homewer to Nathaniel Lowe on the top of the first
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Speaker 1: and it just felt over from there. It didn't help
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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals were facing off against Mackenzie Gore, the
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Speaker 1: butting ace for the Nationals, who, yes, you guessed it
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Speaker 1: is left handed.
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Speaker 2: In fact, we.
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Speaker 1: Asked Ollie Marvel after the game what made Mackenzie Gore
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Speaker 1: so good and so effective against his ball club, and
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Speaker 1: Allie said, he's left handed.
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Speaker 2: No lives were told.
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals have really struggled against South Pause over the
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Speaker 1: last month or so, and that kind of goes into
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Speaker 1: their various players that they have out.
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Speaker 2: We'll get into all.
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Speaker 1: The injury updates later, but it just was not a
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Speaker 1: competitive ballgame, and in July the Cardinals have had a
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Speaker 1: ton of those. Look the games in Pittsburgh, the three
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Speaker 1: game sweep were semi close two of them, but it's
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Speaker 1: hard to really say that they were competitive games when
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Speaker 1: you don't score in any of them. So you have
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Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh series in which the Cardinals go scoreless for three.
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Speaker 1: You go and you lose two out of three at Wrigley,
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Speaker 1: and those two losses were just egregious, not close at all.
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Speaker 1: And then you come here against a Nationals team that
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Speaker 1: fired both their general manager and their manager ahead of
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Speaker 1: the series, just days before they had the number one
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Speaker 1: pick and the amateur draft on Sunday, and weeks before
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Speaker 1: the trade deadline. You see their overall record, which is
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Speaker 1: right there with the Rockies and the Marlins amongst the
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Speaker 1: worst in the National League, and you think, okay, this
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Speaker 1: is a team that we should be able to take
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Speaker 1: care of business against, and they just were not able
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Speaker 1: to do that tonight, So now your fate lies within
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Speaker 1: Miles Michaelis, who's coming off a really bad start in Wrigley.
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Speaker 1: And you just really feel like this is such a
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Speaker 1: pivotal series when you think about how the messaging has
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Speaker 1: been framed for July. We know how important this month is,
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Speaker 1: We know that the Cardinals trade online picture is gonna
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Speaker 1: hinge on their success here. So I don't know, maybe
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Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but I feel like Thursday's game is it's
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Speaker 1: a must win game. So in order to win games,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to pitch a lot better than the
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Speaker 1: Cardinals have been doing over their last turn through the rotation.
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Speaker 1: Cardinals starting pitchers have allowed twenty two earned runs in
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Speaker 1: their last twenty three and a third innings pitch. If
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Speaker 1: you're watching this on YouTube, that's just twenty three and
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Speaker 1: a half. That's not a step. It's supposed to be
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Speaker 1: twenty three and the third innings pitched either way, not good.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna fix this because it's bothering me.
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Speaker 2: Not good. That's not what you want from your rotation.
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Speaker 1: And I thought Polante was kind of a microcosm of
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Speaker 1: the issues for the rotation overall. We know that this
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Speaker 1: is not a starting pitching staff that packs a lot
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Speaker 1: of swing and miss Okay, it was never advertised as that.
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Speaker 2: We know this. For a very long time.
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Speaker 1: In April May and sometimes early June, Saint Louis was
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Speaker 1: able to get away with that. What we're seeing now
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Speaker 1: is the gamble that you make when you have a
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Speaker 1: predominantly pitched to contact rotation. You're going to have balls
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Speaker 1: that get through and days where your pitchers get hard.
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Speaker 1: Only Marble said it best you live and die with
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Speaker 1: the hard contact. That's exactly what happened to Polante today.
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Speaker 1: He threw nearly thirty fastballs, did not generate a single
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Speaker 1: swing and miss on one single one of those fastballs,
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Speaker 1: didn't really have the curve ball, which it looks really good.
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Speaker 1: His last three starts definitely wasn't as sharp tonight, and
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Speaker 1: that just allowed the opponents excuse me, to really catch
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Speaker 1: up to the fastball and be very selective with it.
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Speaker 1: And you saw it with the types of swings they
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Speaker 1: took in the first inning and the fourth inning. So
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Speaker 1: I asked him, is living by the the ground ball
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Speaker 1: and the contact rate?
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Speaker 2: Kind of what can explain the.
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Speaker 1: Absurd amount of earned runs from the rotation and the
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Speaker 1: last turn, and he acknowledged that, yeah, maybe it could
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Speaker 1: when you have guys like Miles Michaelison and Eric Fetti
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Speaker 1: who we and we discussed the last episode. It was
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Speaker 1: a little aggressive of me, just hadn't had it. Sunny
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Speaker 1: Gray has swing and miss and he did a nice
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Speaker 1: job getting through five on Tuesday. And Libby is a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a hybrid. He has swing and miss
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Speaker 1: but definitely uses the ground ball contact to his advantage.
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Speaker 1: When you have a staff like that that lives and
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Speaker 1: dies by uncontrollable things like where the ball is put
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Speaker 1: in play, you have outings like Polant's today. It's coming
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Speaker 1: at a time the starting pitching collapse, if you will
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Speaker 1: collapse is strong, the starting pitching inefficiencies.
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Speaker 2: It's coming out a.
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Speaker 1: Time where the Cardinals really could not afford it. The
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Speaker 1: offense is not clicking. They needed the starting pitching to
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Speaker 1: be their anchor. Now things are kind of just here
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Speaker 1: we are. I don't want to say falling apart again
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Speaker 1: because I'm not trying to be the dramatic girl.
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Speaker 2: I don't have Bernie to walk me down or talk
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Speaker 2: me down from the ledge.
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Speaker 1: But it's really hard to feel optimistic about this team
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Speaker 1: right now as we're nineties into July, knowing how important
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Speaker 1: the rest of the month is. I've yet to really
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Speaker 1: seen signs that they're gonna come out of this, but
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Speaker 1: maybe with some key hitters looking to come back soon,
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Speaker 1: they will.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: loud that home run was today? I mean that left
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Speaker 1: sixteen miles per hour and it just kind of woke
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Speaker 1: me up from my seat. I was like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: I am looking forward to watching him partake in the
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Speaker 2: It's cool quickside rant to see.
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Speaker 1: I'm not by any means suggesting the Nationals as an
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Speaker 1: organization to model yourself after, but they have such a
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Speaker 1: fun core of guys like James Wood, Mackenzie Gore, cj Abrams,
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Speaker 1: and that is a core that you can get excited about.
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Speaker 1: Whether or not the Nationals have the right people and
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Speaker 1: ownership in place to actually turn that core into something
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Speaker 1: is a different story. But it's fun to see a
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Speaker 1: core really coming into their own and maybe being that
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Speaker 1: next potential wave of talent. It reminds me of something
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Speaker 1: that I would like to see more from the Cardinals.
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Speaker 1: Definitely some key pieces, but I don't really know if
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Speaker 1: anyone's jumped out to Mackenzie Gore or James Wood status.
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Speaker 1: hang Moving on, let's get to some injury updates, some
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Speaker 1: good news, Some good news. Yvon Herrera is set to
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Speaker 1: start a rehab assignment, we believe with Triple A Memphis tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: so Thursday, and that is just all around fantastic news
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Speaker 1: when you think about the prognosis his initial window. He
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Speaker 1: was given two to six weeks, which is very large
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Speaker 1: and very big on purpose. So Herrera really feels like
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Speaker 1: talking to Ollie Marmle and talking to Herrera a little
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Speaker 1: bit on Tuesday. Had a really good week at Bushadium
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Speaker 1: while the team was on the road. Is in good health,
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Speaker 1: ready to start this rehab assignment. The timing about this
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Speaker 1: is a little tricky because he'll start on July tenth,
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Speaker 1: and then he'll play Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then
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Speaker 1: similar to the Major League team, both Memphis and Springfield
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Speaker 1: are off for four games for the All Star Break,
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Speaker 1: so we will have a designated break in that rehab assignment.
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Speaker 1: What that means going forward for Herrera, if he'll need
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Speaker 1: a couple more games after that, remains to be seen.
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Speaker 1: Certainly not ideal because I don't know if anyone has noticed,
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Speaker 1: but the Cardinals have really missed evon Herrera's bat in
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Speaker 1: the lineup, which is a crazy sentiment because and this
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Speaker 1: is no knock on Herrera, but if you would have
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Speaker 1: told me that he would have had the most impactful
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Speaker 1: bat on this in the lineup in twenty twenty five,
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Speaker 1: I would have been like surprised because he's always been
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Speaker 1: like bat first, but I would have been like the
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Speaker 1: most impactful hitter.
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Speaker 2: He's the most impactful hitter on this Cardinals team.
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Speaker 1: But he is so obviously getting him back, especially at
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Speaker 1: a time where the offense is struggling and guys have
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Speaker 1: not really figured out a way to combat the left hander,
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Speaker 1: that's going to mean a lot. We just don't know
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Speaker 1: what that timeline looks like, and hamstrings are tricky, they're
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Speaker 1: very finicky. The break in between with no games and
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Speaker 1: no game action does not help at all. But the
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Speaker 1: good news is he will be starting that rehab assignment tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Another right handed hitter that you all have many questions
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Speaker 1: about is Jordan Walker. So he's checked every box from
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Speaker 1: a rehab and health standpoint coming back from pendicitis.
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Speaker 2: He has no lingering side effects. It's all in good
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Speaker 2: health there.
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Speaker 1: So you love to hear that what the Cardinals are
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Speaker 1: working on Jordan Walker now is ensuring he's in a
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Speaker 1: good place from a physical and mental approach to return
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Speaker 1: to the lineup and be an impactful hitter. That's why
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Speaker 1: he is spending the majority of his rehab with double
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Speaker 1: A Springfield. I think I touched on this the last episode.
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Speaker 1: Springfield has the best facilities and amongst Cardinals minor league affiliates,
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Speaker 1: players talk about all the time if they're going to
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Speaker 1: go on a rehab assignment, they'd rather go to Springfield
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Speaker 1: because they like the facilities there. And Jordan Walker has
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Speaker 1: a really good relationship with minor league hitting coordinator rus Steinhorn.
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Speaker 1: So those two things allowed Jordan who hate to say it,
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Speaker 1: just has not he's been disappointing this year from an
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Speaker 1: offensive standpoint. This will allow Jordans some extra time in
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Speaker 1: a non competitive environment to just get his swing right because,
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Speaker 1: similar to Herrera, if the Cardinals want to produce, especially
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Speaker 1: against left handers, they're going to need that right handed
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Speaker 1: bat that they were counting on Walker being for them
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Speaker 1: this year, and there's no use rushing him up if
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Speaker 1: the swing and the approach and the mindset does not
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Speaker 1: suggest that he's ready. So take advantage of this unique
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Speaker 1: opportunity if you are the Cardinals and Jordan Walker to reset,
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Speaker 1: because chances are if he was going to come to
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Speaker 1: the majors as soon as he was ready, he was
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Speaker 1: either going to play every day and not be in
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Speaker 1: a good spot about it and the production would show,
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Speaker 1: or he'd be on the bench and it would not
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Speaker 1: allow him this opportunity to continue trying to fine tune
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Speaker 1: and adjust and tweak and make changes all of the
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Speaker 1: baseball cliches that we say on a daily basis. So
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Speaker 1: those are the two right handed bats we're looking at.
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Speaker 1: Still no estimated timeline from when they could return, but
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Speaker 1: they are progressing, and I do think it's really encouraging
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Speaker 1: that Herrera is starting that we have assignment. Nolan Arnada
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Speaker 1: was back in the lineup today, was hopeful to avoid
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Speaker 1: nil stint. He's played in just two games in July,
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Speaker 1: dealing with a sprained right index finger in Pittsburgh and
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Speaker 1: then some shoulder and pingement that he felt he got
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Speaker 1: over compensating because he wasn't really able to grip the
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Speaker 1: bat fully but was playing through it anyway because of
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Speaker 1: that finger. So some right shoulder, bicep and pingement that
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Speaker 1: kept him out of the lineup for the last few days,
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Speaker 1: dating back to.
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Speaker 2: The Chicago series. He's back today.
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Speaker 1: The Cardinals were going to make a decision on whether
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Speaker 1: or not to put him on the al. If he
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Speaker 1: was not good to go today, he was going to
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Speaker 1: go on the injured list, but that was not something
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Speaker 1: that Nolan wanted. And usually just based on the timing
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Speaker 1: of the calendar, with four games left into the All
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Speaker 1: Star break, you would tend to see guys be like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, give me the extra days, give me
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Speaker 1: the rest so I can take the All Star break,
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Speaker 1: maybe go on a brief rehab assignment and be ready
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Speaker 1: to go.
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Speaker 2: That is not what Nolan Arnatto wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: He'd been lobbying to get back in the lineup since
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Speaker 1: Monday's off day, but was not one hundred percent ready
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Speaker 1: to go on Tuesday. Was adamant that he'd be in
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Speaker 1: the lineup today, and he was. I don't think he's
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Speaker 1: super happy about the production today, but definitely helps when
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Speaker 1: you think about what that Cardinals lineup looked like over
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Speaker 1: the last few days. Getting Arnauto back will help getting
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Speaker 1: her era back hopefully ideally the second series after the
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Speaker 1: All Star break, that'll be important. And then we're going
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Speaker 1: to continue monitoring Jordan Walker. And for the comments in
12:53
Speaker 1: last video that said you need to do your homework,
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Speaker 1: I've obviously look at the box scores for Jordan Walker
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Speaker 1: and Springfield, and I know it wasn't good, Okay, so relax.
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Speaker 1: We're not worried about the results right now. We're not
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Speaker 1: worried about if he goes ohver four in a double
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Speaker 1: A game. We worried about how he feels about his
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Speaker 1: swing and the fine tune things that you're not going
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Speaker 1: to see in.
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Speaker 2: A double A box score. Thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: All right, I think that's all from the injury updates.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. So.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Cardinals have mostly set the rotation heading
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Speaker 1: into the All Star break. There is just one question mark,
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Speaker 1: please don't yell at me. The Cardinals will start Michaelis
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Speaker 1: on Thursday, Matthew liberatorre will take a start Friday. Saturday
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Speaker 1: is still penciled in as Ericfetti, but nothing official. I said,
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Speaker 1: don't yell at me, and Sunday will be sunny Gray.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fetty's rotation status is still in question. The Cardinals
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Speaker 1: have not made a definitive decision on it. They're still
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Speaker 1: weighing all of their options, and I hear the arguments
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Speaker 1: of if Fetti's rotation status should be in questioned, shouldn't Miles,
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Speaker 1: Michaelis and I don't disagree, but I think the reason
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Speaker 1: why Fetti is he is being debated more than Miles
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Speaker 1: is is because when you look at their last two performances,
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Speaker 1: obviously both weren't great, just not at all. But Miles,
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Speaker 1: from his first three innings to his final three innings,
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Speaker 1: to me, and this is speculation, suggested that he was
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Speaker 1: tipping his pitches in Chicago, and he went out and
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Speaker 1: fixed it in the fourth inning. And I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: he deserves applause for this, but was able to at
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Speaker 1: least show to his manager, to his pitching coach that
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Speaker 1: he'd made the adjustments.
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Speaker 2: The lights of the stadium just went off. How scary.
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Speaker 1: Was able to show that and give some sort of
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Speaker 1: optimism that he can get through Thursday's start. Whereas Eric Fetti,
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Speaker 1: when he took the mount on Sunday, you could just
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Speaker 1: tell was not confident about his abilities, was not sure
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Speaker 1: where his pitches were going. Was kind of just like
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Speaker 1: hoping his pitches would land and hoping for a good outcome.
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Speaker 1: And that's a really scary place to be as a
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Speaker 1: major league pitcher when you are on the mound and
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Speaker 1: you know you have no idea where this ball was
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Speaker 1: going and we talked to him mentally, or we talked
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Speaker 1: about his mental progress and where he was his mentality
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Speaker 1: after Sunday's game, and he was like, I'd like to
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Speaker 1: say that, you know, that doesn't bother me, but it
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Speaker 1: has like it's starting to these these starts are essentially
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Speaker 1: starting to pile up on Eric Fetty where he's now
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Speaker 1: pitching where he's hoping to do well instead of going
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Speaker 1: out there and attacking. And to me, that just suggests
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Speaker 1: a starting pitcher needs a break. And look, I really
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Speaker 1: like Eric Fetty. I think he's been a total pro
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Speaker 1: this whole time. He's taught me a lot. I've enjoyed
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Speaker 1: covering him. Same with Miles michaelis. But when you're a
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Speaker 1: pitcher and you just feel like you can't trust your
16:53
Speaker 1: stuff and the body language shows it on the mound,
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Speaker 1: you can't take your next start. And I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: he needs to he kicked out of rotation forever, though
17:01
Speaker 1: some of you are. I am saying you have such
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Speaker 1: a unique opportunity with the calendar right now where you
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Speaker 1: can skip his next start and just get to the
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Speaker 1: All Star break and reassess from there. Michael McGreevy is
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Speaker 1: eligible to be recalled tomorrow, well, Thursday, July tenth. He
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Speaker 1: can take your spots start for you on Saturday. And
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Speaker 1: I know that there's going to be some front office
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Speaker 1: dynamics about how many times can we option this guy
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Speaker 1: back and forth before we have to make a decision
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Speaker 1: on him. That's fair, but that is kind of the
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Speaker 1: game that you played when you decided to use him
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Speaker 1: in this role. At some point in this season, you
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Speaker 1: need to see Michael McGreevy an extended period of time
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Speaker 1: in the rotation.
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Speaker 2: If that's not.
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Speaker 1: Right now, okay, fine, maybe it's after the trade deadline. Sure,
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Speaker 1: I think most suggested that saying worst case scenario for McGreevy,
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Speaker 1: he's pitching here in August.
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Speaker 2: Okay. If your plan is to in.
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Speaker 1: Some way or fashion pitch McGreevy in a regular major
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Speaker 1: league rotation for the final two months of the season, fine,
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Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. But if you are unsure, if
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Speaker 1: Eric Fetti can take a start on Saturday and you
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Speaker 1: can call up McGreevy and you need to win these
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Speaker 1: games went into the All Star break, McGreevy is far
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Speaker 1: and away the better option right now.
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Speaker 2: Again, it doesn't have to be a permanent decision.
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Speaker 1: It can be a spot start and you can reevaluate
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Speaker 1: your rotation after the All Star break.
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Speaker 2: The Cardinals did that with Sunny Gray.
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Speaker 1: That's why he's pitching on regular rest because he'll be
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Speaker 1: able to have the Sunday start heading into the All
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Speaker 1: Star break and reset four days no one's pitching, and
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Speaker 1: then Oli Marmel and Dusty Blake can.
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Speaker 2: Retweak the rotation as needed. So just my two cents.
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Speaker 1: Hopefully on Thursday we'll have more answers to you for
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Speaker 1: you about the rotation. I did ask Alie today, Hey,
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Speaker 1: so we're not asking you the same question every single day.
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Speaker 1: Do you have an idea on when you will make
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Speaker 1: a decision about Saturday starter? And he said he did not.
18:47
Speaker 1: Too many conversations need to be taken place here. And
18:49
Speaker 1: I will say this disclaimer. Okay, I hate this. The
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Speaker 1: lights are off. Nope, not going to work. I will
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Speaker 1: say this as a disclaimer. I'm so scared that excuse me.
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Speaker 1: Ollie Marmle only controls who's on his roster when he
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Speaker 1: gets them. He doesn't control the roster decisions. That is
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Speaker 1: a John Mosey Loock and company decision. So I've ben
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Speaker 1: end this episode because I am totally freaked out that
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Speaker 1: the lights are off. I'm sure you'll understand, Bernie and
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Speaker 1: I will be back with you earlier in the week
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Speaker 1: or later in the week to preview the Braves, and
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Speaker 1: then Sunday night we will have draft coverage.
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Speaker 2: Cardinals have the number five overall pick.
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Speaker 1: If you're looking for some names to target, we have
19:34
Speaker 1: it up on the Athletic broke some things down with
19:35
Speaker 1: the Athletics. Keith Law on five names the Cardinals could target,
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Speaker 1: and yes, I put ethan Holiday on there, even though
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Speaker 1: the odds are slim to none.
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Speaker 2: All Right, that's it from Cardinal Territory. I'm out of
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Speaker 2: here before ghost kidnaps me. Talk to y'all later. Seeya
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Speaker 2: three