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Sharri | 30 May · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Life Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening, We'll just sent to Ardern was a darling
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Speaker 2: of the left and it was a big political story
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Speaker 2: when she demanded that Scott Morrison stopped sending criminals at
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Speaker 2: a Nes to New Zealand, even though they were technically
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Speaker 2: kiwe citizens. Ardurn gave Morrison, who was Prime Minister at
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Speaker 2: the time, a public rebuke.
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Speaker 3: It was a move the media lapped up.
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Speaker 4: New Zealand Prime Minister j Cinda Adern has lashed out
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Speaker 4: at Scott Morrison over his criminal deportation policy. She claims
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Speaker 4: it's testing the friendship, but Scott Morrison won't back down,
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Speaker 4: saying non citizens who break the law should return to
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Speaker 4: their home country.
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Speaker 5: This is corrosive to our relationship.
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Speaker 6: Scott Morrison, cops and are dern Burn.
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Speaker 1: Do not deport your people and your problems.
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Speaker 3: Once you've done your time, we send you home.
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Speaker 2: Well in to The Coalition at the time had sent
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Speaker 2: twoy six hundred criminals back to New Zealand since twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: The Coalition's policy was that if there's a criminal migrant,
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Speaker 2: say a murderer or a child rapist, and there are
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Speaker 2: a citizen of another country, well then they should be
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Speaker 2: deported to that country. Adurn argued that some of the
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Speaker 2: criminals had lived in Australia all their life, they had
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Speaker 2: ties to our country, and she used that excuse to
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Speaker 2: say that she didn't want the hardened thugs back in
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Speaker 2: New Zealand.
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Speaker 3: It was a clear point of friction.
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Speaker 5: May we look forward to better times a hit.
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Speaker 2: And those better times for New Zealand at least came
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Speaker 2: with Albanesi. Albanesi, in his quest to appease the popular
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Speaker 2: female Prime Minister, capitulated to her request. He did this
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Speaker 2: even though it wasn't in Australia's national security interests and
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Speaker 2: in fact it posed a detriment to public safety.
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Speaker 7: Prime Minister Adurn has certainly not been backward in raising
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Speaker 7: these issues. I can assure you from our very first meeting.
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Speaker 7: Where you have a circumstance where someone has lived their
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Speaker 7: entire life effectively in Australia with no connection whatsoever to
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Speaker 7: New Zealand, then common sense should apply and we'll act
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Speaker 7: as friends and we'll work through those issues in a
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Speaker 7: common sense way.
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Speaker 5: And this is exactly what we have asked of Australia.
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Speaker 5: We acknowledge that Australia will continue to deport as New
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Speaker 5: Zealand currently does have provision and does deport those who
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Speaker 5: don't have long term connection to New Zealand. What we've
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Speaker 5: been seeking is common sense and the spirit of friendship
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Speaker 5: and that's what Prome Minus to Albin Easi's spoken to today.
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Speaker 2: Well, one person's common sense is another person's well, I
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Speaker 2: won't say what. And so it is that Albert Easy
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Speaker 2: weakened Australia's imigration policy to appease Jasciner. Ardern, the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: is ultimately responsible for the flawed Ministerial Direction ninety nine
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Speaker 2: and it's meant that murderers, child rapists, thugs and con
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Speaker 2: artists who have ties to Australia would have been allowed
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Speaker 2: to stay here instead of being deported as they should
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Speaker 2: have been because they're not Australian citizens. It has exposed
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Speaker 2: the community to a serious risk of harm from criminals
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Speaker 2: who aren't Australians and shouldn't be here if they're going
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Speaker 2: to repeatedly break the law. The latest example of a
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Speaker 2: savage attack was by a violent detainee and this was
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Speaker 2: exposed by Mark Riley just last night.
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Speaker 6: Seven News can reveal that as mister Charles was defending himself. Yesterday,
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Speaker 6: yet another violent foreign criminals visa was being reinstated by
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Speaker 6: the Ministry of Appeals Tribunal in Melbourne, this time Indian
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Speaker 6: born Gulprit Singh on parole after serving six years for
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Speaker 6: what the judge called a ferocious and terrifying bashing in Geelong,
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Speaker 6: leaving his victim close to death. The AAT overturning the
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Speaker 6: decision to pull his visa, finding under mister Giles, Direction
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Speaker 6: ninety nine sings ties to Australia weighed strongly in his
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Speaker 6: favor well.
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Speaker 2: As political editor Simon Benson wrote today, Ministerial Direction ninety
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Speaker 2: nine was a disaster from the day of its ill
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Speaker 2: conceived inception. He wrote that it goes to the heart
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Speaker 2: of the ideological revision of immigration policy under Labor and
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Speaker 2: the poor decision making by cabinet ministers. Andrew Giles today,
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Speaker 2: finally forced out of hiding to front the cameras, he
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Speaker 2: obviously can't blame his boss, Albin Easy in these media interviews,
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Speaker 2: so trying to hold onto his job, he shifted the
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Speaker 2: blame to his department, claiming there were no red flags,
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Speaker 2: no warnings that anything would be a miss with Direction
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Speaker 2: ninety nine, but.
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Speaker 8: Just to clarify when the Department war gained with you
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Speaker 8: Direction ninety nine, that it did not give you forewarning
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Speaker 8: that some of these serious cases that you wanted to
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Speaker 8: see individuals deported, that they would be overturned.
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Speaker 9: The intent of Ministeral Direction ninety nine and the work
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Speaker 9: that was done in preparing it did not indicate that
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Speaker 9: these sort of serious crimes would be affected.
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Speaker 3: But is this entirely accurate?
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Speaker 2: Were documents tabled in Senate estimates show that Giles was
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Speaker 2: want that there would be a reduction in the number
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Speaker 2: of counseled visas, so that means a reduction in the
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Speaker 2: number of people deported. It says the Department anticipates around
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Speaker 2: twenty eight hundred cases will need to be renotified. There
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Speaker 2: will be a significant reduction in the number of cancelation,
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Speaker 2: refine usal of revocation decisions finalized in the first few
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Speaker 2: months of the commencement of the Ministerial Direction ninety nine.
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Speaker 2: So it seems Giles and did have a warning that
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Speaker 2: people identified for deportation for serious reasons would now remain
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Speaker 2: in our country. Where Albinizi has been forced into a
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Speaker 2: humiliating backflip that he'll now have to reverse this direction
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Speaker 2: ninety nine. Now, this is a massive admission that he
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Speaker 2: was wrong to capitulate to justinter Arderne and.
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Speaker 10: The only effective way of ensuring that tribunal members are
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Speaker 10: making better decisions is to issue a new revised direction,
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Speaker 10: which the Minister will be doing.
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Speaker 2: Blaming the Administrative Appeals Tribunal. So it doesn't seem like
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Speaker 2: Albinizi is going to take any responsibility himself for this incompetence,
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Speaker 2: or he can't blame Andrew Giles because it was his
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Speaker 2: own decision as Prime Minister in a bid to win
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Speaker 2: the popularity of a left wing government in New Zealand
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Speaker 2: that has put our country in this position. This is
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Speaker 2: classic Albertezi, pushing ahead with ideologically motivated policies that undermine
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Speaker 2: national security and seriously impact on community safety. It's yet
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Speaker 2: another example of a week leader not across the detail.
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Speaker 2: Now coming up on the show tonight, Albertezi snubs former
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Speaker 2: Labor Senator Nova Paris.
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Speaker 3: The footage of.
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Speaker 2: That moment I'll show you shortly. Also in Battled nine,
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Speaker 2: chief executive Mike Sneesby hangs on to his job after
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Speaker 2: a multi hour crisis meeting. Today, I'll have the Latest
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Speaker 2: with media writer Sophie Ellsworth, plus the Sydney University professor
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Speaker 2: caught on tape telling students that the sexual violence on
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Speaker 2: October seven was a media hoax. Liberal MP Julian Lisa
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Speaker 2: would join me a bit later, and he's still a
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Speaker 2: free man for now. But will Donald Trump be the
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Speaker 2: first former president convicted of a crime. We'll speak to
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Speaker 2: Annalise Nilsen in Washington later in the show, but first
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Speaker 2: let's bring it now. Tonight's panel Perth mayor Basil Zempleis
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Speaker 2: and Sky News host James Morrow.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 2: Look, James, this evening, this latest immigration scandal looks to
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Speaker 2: have been the Prime Minister's own fault. He can't blame
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Speaker 2: anyone else for it. He can't sack Andrew Giles for
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Speaker 2: his own poor decision here.
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Speaker 11: Well yeah, and it's starting to look like he, the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister, should have sacked Giles days ago, not weeks ago,
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Speaker 11: when this all started to come out. But now you know,
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Speaker 11: he's tied to it. He's tied to his feet and
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Speaker 11: this problem just keeps getting worse. You know. The really
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Speaker 11: interesting thing to be here too is the constant attempts
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Speaker 11: to deflect. You know, clearly the Immigration Minister and the
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Speaker 11: Prime Minister staff have all been you know, furiously beavering
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Speaker 11: away on aust Lee trying to find decisions where people
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Speaker 11: were allowed to stay under the Dutton regime, and of course,
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Speaker 11: you know when he was Immigration minister, and of course
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Speaker 11: this is just distraction, just as it's distraction to say that, oh, well,
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Speaker 11: it's the tribunal's fault, but of course it's the tribunal
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Speaker 11: that's following the government's directions.
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Speaker 1: Here.
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Speaker 11: This all comes back to the government, and the government
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Speaker 11: seems to be trying to evade responsibility for this every
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Speaker 11: step of the way. Sharon, I know Albertiz he wants
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Speaker 11: to be loyal to Giles, he wants to keep him around.
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Speaker 11: He doesn't want to lose a minister during his first term.
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Speaker 11: It's kind of a point of honor with him. But
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Speaker 11: this is just you know, it's really the government is
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Speaker 11: bleeding very heavily on this. Border security is something that's
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Speaker 11: such a key issue and the number of times we've
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Speaker 11: seen labor government's come a cropper in the past because
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Speaker 11: the field on borders. He should take the lesson.
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Speaker 2: No exactly and basil just the thought I mean, I'm
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Speaker 2: sure a lot of people would be sitting at home saying,
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Speaker 2: how can the Prime Minister no less jeopardize our entire
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Speaker 2: national security for the sake of getting in the good
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Speaker 2: books of just into Ardern.
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Speaker 12: Well, there's two good books that he's tried to climb into.
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Speaker 12: He's trying to hang on to, or cling to the
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Speaker 12: friendship with Andrew Giles. He has been overly generous and
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Speaker 12: respectful of that friendship. He should have, at the first
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Speaker 12: opportunity taken the tough decision that everyone in Australia would
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Speaker 12: have accepted and understood, whether their mates or not.
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Speaker 1: Giles was responsible.
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Speaker 12: Now we learn, of course, because of that tough action
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Speaker 12: not being taken that actually it was that friendship to
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Speaker 12: just Cinder r durn or pandering to just cinder our
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Speaker 12: Dern that's got us all in this fine mess in
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Speaker 12: the first place. The Prime Minister is there to make
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Speaker 12: tough decisions, not to try and be everybody's mate.
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Speaker 1: And if ever you need an example of what.
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Speaker 12: Leadership should look like as opposed to what leadership shouldn't
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Speaker 12: look like.
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Speaker 1: This is the example of it.
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Speaker 12: This is a horrendous bungle and Direction ninety nine is
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Speaker 12: all down to the Prime Minister and down to the
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Speaker 12: Prime Minister, trying to be mates with people. That's not
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Speaker 12: the way to lead.
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Speaker 2: Look, I think you're right, Basil, because it's this trying
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Speaker 2: to be mates with everyone. That's why he gets accused
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Speaker 2: of speaking out of both sides of his mouth, and
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Speaker 2: then he ends up being mates with no one because
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Speaker 2: he never has conviction. He doesn't show leadership.
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Speaker 1: Just make the tough that we all know Jiles should
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Speaker 1: have gone. Somebody held had to be held accountable, whether
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Speaker 1: you're good mates or not.
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Speaker 12: We've seen lots of leaders over many years, in lots
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Speaker 12: of different governments take this difficult decision because it releases
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Speaker 12: the pressure on your team. He had the chance to
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Speaker 12: do it. He knows he should have done it. Everyone
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Speaker 12: excepts it should have happened, but he didn't do it.
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Speaker 2: And you use the word accountability and no, Remember Anthony
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Speaker 2: Alberzi promised there'd be transparency, there'd be accountability. That's why
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Speaker 2: he set up the Corruption Commission. He promised there'd be accountability.
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Speaker 2: And yet what we're seeing here is you've got a
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Speaker 2: grandmother in Perth who was bashed allegedly by one of
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Speaker 2: these released detainees.
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Speaker 3: And there is no accountability.
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Speaker 2: He wants to protect the minister rather than actually say
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Speaker 2: this has got to stop.
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Speaker 3: Now look at this.
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Speaker 2: Now a lot of people who watch this show love
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Speaker 2: nov Paris. Well, this is quite bizarre because Anthony Alberzi
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Speaker 2: appears to have snubbed her in Parliament today. Now she's
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Speaker 2: a former Labor senator, she's an Olympian, and you think
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Speaker 2: he would have at least acknowledged her presence, but instead
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Speaker 2: he turns the other way while Peter Dutton does acknowledge her.
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Speaker 13: Have a look, BEFO, I call the Honorable Member of
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Speaker 13: just acknowledge in the gallery today is former Olympic gold
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Speaker 13: midalist and almost editive from the Northern Territory. No, but Paris,
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Speaker 13: oam welcome to Parliament.
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Speaker 2: I mean, James, look, unless there's some explanation that we
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Speaker 2: don't know about here. And I have put in a
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Speaker 2: question to the Prime Minister's office to say, is there
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Speaker 2: a backstory? What happened? Did he know she was there?
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Speaker 2: Did he see her at any other point? I haven't
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Speaker 2: heard back from them yet, but you know, James, that
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Speaker 2: did look like a pretty bad snub.
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Speaker 11: Well it did, and you know you have to when
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Speaker 11: you see these sorts of things be a little bit forgiving,
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Speaker 11: because of course politicians on both sides sometimes have things
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Speaker 11: that don't look great on camera, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 11: this is a sort of gotcha gabe that gets got
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Speaker 11: played with Tony Abbot has been played with, you know,
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Speaker 11: liberal prime ministers throughout history. But it does not look good,
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Speaker 11: especially because no Paris has been so forthright in calling
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Speaker 11: out the anti Semitism problem, of Labour's problem in that regard,
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Speaker 11: and Albanizy, as you said in your previous statement there,
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Speaker 11: you know, he's not leading, he's being led by these
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Speaker 11: different sort of groups, you know, the Left, the Greens,
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Speaker 11: and nobody really quite knows who's in charge. And you
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Speaker 11: almost sort of worry was he afraid to just you know,
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Speaker 11: give her a nod of acknowledgment because of her position,
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Speaker 11: and that this would wind up causing him trouble with
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Speaker 11: his left flank, which of course he has so much
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Speaker 11: trouble with and which is increasingly being seen to be
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Speaker 11: dictating the government's policy on Israel in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Gaza Hamas look unless he met her at another occasion
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Speaker 2: in parliament to me, the Speaker says, let's welcome former
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Speaker 2: Senator Nova Paris. Peter Dutton turns waves and Albenezi turns
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Speaker 2: swivels his chair to look the other way. I mean, Basil,
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Speaker 2: she's a highly respected Australian, a former Olympian.
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Speaker 3: Why not just be polite?
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Speaker 12: Well, yes, I accept everything that you've said, But for me,
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Speaker 12: the tribunal that's sitting here in sufficient evidence to find
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Speaker 12: the Prime Minister guilty on this one. Also for the record,
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Speaker 12: for the speaker's benefit, it's not former Olympic gold medalist.
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Speaker 12: Once an Olympic gold medalist, always an Olympic gold medalist.
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Speaker 1: Look, we don't know enough. I'll be interested to here
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Speaker 1: what we need?
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Speaker 3: A correction in that ha, correct.
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Speaker 12: The vision didn't the vision didn't look great. However, I
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Speaker 12: don't think we can hang the PM just on what
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Speaker 12: we've seen. We don't know what took place around it.
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Speaker 12: So not guilty for now.
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Speaker 2: You know what, We need to do more investigation to
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Speaker 2: see if this was a genuine snub, and if it was,
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Speaker 2: we will return to this topic next week and then
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Speaker 2: we can hold the PM.
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Speaker 3: To account even sougher than we just had.
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Speaker 1: To read now.
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Speaker 2: Duras in the Donal Chuck trial, we'll return to a
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Speaker 2: New York court house for their second day of deliberations.
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Speaker 2: They of course, failed to arrive at a verdict on Wednesday.
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Speaker 3: James, you follow.
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Speaker 2: US politics very closely at the host of the US
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Speaker 2: report here on Sky News.
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Speaker 3: How do you expect this will play out?
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Speaker 11: Well, you know, it's the longer that we wait to
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Speaker 11: get a jury result here, the more likely we have
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Speaker 11: a hung jury, you know, where they can't come to
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Speaker 11: a decision. So it indicates to me, the longer this
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Speaker 11: goes on that there's at least one person in that
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Speaker 11: jury roup who say, hang on a second here. This
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Speaker 11: is a very tendentious case that's been brought, and it
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Speaker 11: really does have all the hallmarks of a stitch up
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Speaker 11: between the judge, the judge's instruction, the way the case
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Speaker 11: has been managed, the very novel legal theory which has
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Speaker 11: turned a misdemeanor bookcaping error into thirty four election felonies,
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Speaker 11: which is amazing given that you know, hush moneys have
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Speaker 11: been paid, you know, all over the place by parties
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Speaker 11: of both stripes in the past, and you know these
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Speaker 11: sorts of things are often dealt with in one way
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Speaker 11: or another. This is a really ridiculous and tendentious case
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Speaker 11: that they're bringing. I think that this will wind up
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Speaker 11: being a hung jury. I don't think they're going to
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Speaker 11: wind up getting the guilty simply because to get twelve
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Speaker 11: people to vote to make Donald Trump a felon, which
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Speaker 11: is what Democrats wants. They can hang that around his
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Speaker 11: neck for the wholecoming campaign. I don't think it's going
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Speaker 11: to happen, and, in fact, actually, to be honest, I
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Speaker 11: don't think the Democrats should want it to happen, because
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Speaker 11: it'll make them look really bad. These things will blow
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Speaker 11: up in their faces tremendously.
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Speaker 3: Mark my word, Sherry, what do you think, Basil?
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Speaker 2: I mean, will be difficult for a jury to arrive
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Speaker 2: at a verdict. I thought I saw some reporting saying
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Speaker 2: that he might be able to be convicted even if
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Speaker 2: it wasn't a unanimous decision. Basil, what do you think
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Speaker 2: is going to happen?
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Speaker 12: I obviously have not sat through all of the hearing
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Speaker 12: and haven't heard all of the evidence presented, but I
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Speaker 12: turn from what I've seen and read, I think that
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Speaker 12: a guilty verdict is going to be a stretch. I
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Speaker 12: also think, from what we've seen, even a guilty verdict.
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Speaker 12: Although that appears highly unlikely, it may well mobilize the
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Speaker 12: base that he is very very keen to be able
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Speaker 12: to mobilize when it comes to election time. So it
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Speaker 12: is a worry for him and what we've said, sorry,
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Speaker 12: it is a worry for the Democrats and what we've
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Speaker 12: seen time and time and time again from the other
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Speaker 12: side of the world. It doesn't matter what Trump's done,
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Speaker 12: what seems to have said, what he has been accused
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Speaker 12: of doing, his standing with enough of the American people
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Speaker 12: has never fallen away, and I wouldn't be surprised if
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Speaker 12: the same thing happens here again. I think he's going
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Speaker 12: to get through this, as he seems to get through
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Speaker 12: every one of these things that comes his way.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's potentially that scandal is so
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Speaker 2: closely associated with his image anyway, that it almost doesn't
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Speaker 2: matter what revelation comes out about him, people just go, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: another Donald Trump scandal.
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Speaker 3: What did we expect?
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Speaker 12: James Mara, We've heard all that language that he used
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Speaker 12: just before last time's election, and somehow he still got through.
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Speaker 12: So I'm not saying it's right, but we've seen a
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Speaker 12: patent he can get past that that's for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, you know, it's almost the equivalent of Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how many gaffes he makes. It doesn't know,
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Speaker 2: no matter how many incoherent sentences that he utters.
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Speaker 3: People.
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Speaker 2: You know, they kind of know that he's old, they
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Speaker 2: know that he struggles, and they've accepted it.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of maybe.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great election.
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Speaker 2: Each other out all right, James Mara, buzzil Zemplers, thank
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Speaker 2: you both so much. Now, coming up yet another disgraceful
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Speaker 2: display of left bias from the ABC.
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Speaker 3: It tries to explain its way out of.
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Speaker 2: Its political editors comments on racism, and nine's chief executive
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Speaker 2: Mike Sneezebey holds on to his job after crisis board
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Speaker 2: meetings today.
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Speaker 3: Sophie Ellsworth will join me next.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back for nine Chief executive Mike Sneezebe has kept
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Speaker 2: his job well for now, at least, after he survived
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Speaker 2: a marathon crisis board meeting today. Emerging from the meeting,
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Speaker 2: all nine staff will have to undertake refreshed sexual harassment
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Speaker 2: prevention training over the next month. There'll also be a
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Speaker 2: dedicated hotline to report inappropriate behavior and this will be
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Speaker 2: made available to all employees.
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Speaker 3: After the meeting that's said to have lasted for more
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Speaker 3: than three hours.
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Speaker 2: Mike sneezeby Peter Costello, The chair and HR chief Vanessa
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Speaker 2: Morley reportedly told staff that the conversations we've had in
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Speaker 2: recent days have made it clear that we need to
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Speaker 2: accelerate the work we are doing to build a culture
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Speaker 2: of respect and trust.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: It's been a long Fortnite for nine. Entertainment company with
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Speaker 2: US reported last Monday that Darren Wick, their former head
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Speaker 2: of news, had an alleged history of sexual harassment. Allegations
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Speaker 2: against him including groping on air presenters while intoxicated, and
21:13
Speaker 2: along with the sexual harassment, there were also allegations of
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Speaker 2: a toxic culture where women were frozen out, with darren
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Speaker 2: Wick allegedly refusing to engage with them or return their cause. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: there were senior executives like Victoria Buchan who had We
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Speaker 2: reported they'd become aware of some of the allegations of
21:33
Speaker 2: inappropriate behavior, and yet Darren Wick kept his job. We
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Speaker 2: also reported that one high profile television presenter spoke to
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Speaker 2: a current board director about the culture at nine, including
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Speaker 2: damaging leaks designed to force talent into submission during contract negotiations.
21:53
Speaker 2: Despite the presenter and her lawyer speaking with the director,
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Speaker 2: it wasn't raised at the board level and not claimed
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Speaker 2: it wasn't a bored matter. Mike Sneezbey is under increased
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Speaker 2: pressure amid the ongoing crisis. He was forced to fly
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Speaker 2: home from an overseas trip celebrating his fiftieth to front
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Speaker 2: the newsroom or to discuss this scandal and how it
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Speaker 2: plays out, because it's not over. The Australians media writers
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Speaker 2: Sophie Elsworth joins me now and Sophie, you're reporting on
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Speaker 2: this has been excellent, so we're grateful for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: What do we know about what happened at today's board meeting?
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Speaker 14: Well, likewise to you too, Sharry, reporting on this whole
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Speaker 14: saga that's in Gulf nine. Look, as you said, it
22:40
Speaker 14: was a pretty lengthy board meeting. It appears that Peter
22:45
Speaker 14: Costello and Mike Sneezeby have appeased the nine board for now.
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Speaker 3: But Sharry, this could well be the calm before the storm.
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Speaker 14: Because Mike Sneezeby he's got his very own newspapers writing
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Speaker 14: incredibly critical articles that look like they are being planted
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Speaker 14: against him, and this is a disaster that is not
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Speaker 14: going away.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 14: They have announced they're.
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Speaker 3: Doing an independent review.
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Speaker 14: They have said today that all staff will have to
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Speaker 14: this is about four thousand stuff will have to undergo
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Speaker 14: sexual harassment training in June. Sharry, this is not just
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Speaker 14: going to result in this moving along. I mean, what
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Speaker 14: about the executives are Victoria buck In, the head of
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Speaker 14: communications has been under fire, as you have said in
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Speaker 14: your reporting as well, So I think heads will roll
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Speaker 14: over this.
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Speaker 3: I'm surprised that.
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Speaker 14: They haven't yet, but I can't imagine their shareholders will
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Speaker 14: be overly thrilled with Nine making headlines day in day
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Speaker 14: out for all the wrong reason, Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Well, I understand that nine chair Peter Costello has been
23:52
Speaker 2: blaming some of this crisis at his network on News
23:56
Speaker 2: Corp for our reporting exposing it. Yet his own, as
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Speaker 2: you just said, The City Morning Herald, The Age, and
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Speaker 2: The Financial Review have all run stories relating to this
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Speaker 2: on their front page. So he can't dismiss this as
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Speaker 2: a NewsCorp driven scandal because it emerged from vulnerable women
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Speaker 2: who've suffered for so long in the first place, at
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Speaker 2: his own network, and now his own publishing ARM is
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Speaker 2: reporting on this.
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Speaker 14: Well, not only his own publishing, Sharry, he's Radio ARM.
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Speaker 14: We've had Ray Hadley come out talking about this, Tom
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Speaker 14: Elliet Elliott on Threa W in Melbourne, so it's across
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Speaker 14: his different divisions of the business. And blaming other media
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Speaker 14: is never a good thing. Just tries to, you know,
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Speaker 14: put blame on someone else. But Peter Costello has not
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Speaker 14: been speaking or has not spoken to date publicly on this.
24:53
Speaker 14: As you said, Mike sneezeby had to rush home. He
24:56
Speaker 14: was celebrating his fiftieth overseas. He's come back to Sydney
25:00
Speaker 14: because they are in absolute damage control. Their governance issues
25:06
Speaker 14: are potentially at play here.
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Speaker 1: Who knew what when?
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Speaker 3: As I said, Shari, this saga.
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Speaker 14: Is only beginning for nine and I think there will
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Speaker 14: be heads that role and I expect that will be soon.
25:20
Speaker 14: But for now they're trying to calm the waters and
25:23
Speaker 14: look like they are handling this. But Sharry, internally, there's
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Speaker 14: a lot of people extremely angry with how this whole
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Speaker 14: saga has played out.
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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, and it is an interesting approach. I mean,
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Speaker 2: both Peter Costello and Mike sneeze have been under pressure
25:39
Speaker 2: in the past week and a half. I mean, nine
25:42
Speaker 2: is aware of stories that we've been investigating that we're
25:45
Speaker 2: still investigating. So it is an interesting approach to stand
25:50
Speaker 2: by the current executive team. But you know something that's
25:52
Speaker 2: also fascinating. You know, the senior executives at the publishing arm, well,
25:58
Speaker 2: how do they sit across from Mike Sneezebey in a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks at budget meetings when their own front
26:04
Speaker 2: pages have been reporting on him, you know, when their
26:07
Speaker 2: own journalists have been reporting on him on the front page.
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Speaker 2: I mean, how do they sit across from him and
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Speaker 2: deal with him when they're literally putting him on the
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Speaker 2: front page. You know, these relationships are going to be
26:17
Speaker 2: very difficult now, So if you quickly before you go.
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Speaker 2: The ABC of costs face said it estimates today it's
26:23
Speaker 2: trying to claim up, clean up this disaster. After Laura
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Speaker 2: Tingle's comments that Australia is racist, the news director at
26:31
Speaker 2: the ABC, David Addison, defended their star political correspondent doesn't
26:37
Speaker 2: sound like her futures in any jeopardy and they're saying, well,
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't accept those comments if they were on the ABC,
26:44
Speaker 2: but they weren't on the ABC.
26:46
Speaker 3: So apparently it's fine.
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Speaker 14: I mean, Charrie, this is a mess yet again that
26:53
Speaker 14: the ABC is mopping up covering for their high profile journalists.
26:57
Speaker 14: Laura Tingle said, these pretty crazy, outrageous statements, accusing Peter
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Speaker 14: Dutton of you know, you know, whipping up people to
27:09
Speaker 14: abuse migrants that open home inspections.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is conspiracy theory sort of stuff.
27:16
Speaker 14: But there you have David Anderson in front of Senate
27:18
Speaker 14: Estimates today saying she's a great reporter. Yes, he admitted
27:23
Speaker 14: that she did do the wrong thing. However he was
27:26
Speaker 14: trying to argue that she didn't do this on an
27:29
Speaker 14: ABC platform. Well, the ABC had plenty of articles and
27:33
Speaker 14: promos about the Sydney Writers Festival. She was there disclosing
27:37
Speaker 14: that she's an ABC journalist. She's on the board, for
27:40
Speaker 14: heaven's sake. But as always at the ABC, you might
27:45
Speaker 14: get a little smack on the hand, but nothing really
27:48
Speaker 14: ever happens.
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Speaker 1: And I think they have a problem.
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Speaker 14: She's on the board, she's their most high profile staff member,
27:55
Speaker 14: and as Peter Dutton said today, she has damaged her credibility.
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Speaker 14: She's you know, come out extremely partisan and I think
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Speaker 14: this will continue to hurt her yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean you have to question how she would report
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Speaker 2: and politics on the ABC platform, on the seven thirty
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Speaker 2: report heading into the next election. And yet let's have
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Speaker 2: a look at David Anderson defending her today.
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Speaker 15: Should Laura Tingle leave the ABC?
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Speaker 16: I don't believe so, Senator. So I don't believe that
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Speaker 16: Laura Tingle should leave the ABC.
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Speaker 15: It looks like miss Tingle has got off Scott free, Senator.
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Speaker 16: I don't think she's got off Scott free at all here.
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Speaker 16: I think mister Stevens's statement that went out yesterday would
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Speaker 16: suggest that she has not got off Scott free.
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Speaker 15: So Miss Tingle's also a member of the ABC board.
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Speaker 15: Is that tenable for her to continue in that role?
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Speaker 16: It is not up to me. It is up to
28:48
Speaker 16: the chair of the ABC to decide that whether or
28:51
Speaker 16: not any member of the board, including me and my
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Speaker 16: position is tenable or not.
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Speaker 15: That is a disgraceful statement.
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Speaker 16: That was a mistake. I think it's a misstep. I'm
29:03
Speaker 16: not embarrassed by it. I wish it hadn't happened.
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Speaker 17: You don't want to be used to racism, don't peddle
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Speaker 17: it or that actually hurt hurt the ABC.
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Speaker 16: I am generally sorry that that happened. I wish it
29:21
Speaker 16: hadn't have happened.
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Speaker 15: Are you sorry to mister Dutton as well?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 16: Senator? I think when political leaders put things out for debate,
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Speaker 16: I think the course that that takes I can't be
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Speaker 16: sorry for.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Sophie, this is one of the criticisms of
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Speaker 2: the ABC that staff just run riot, that no one
29:42
Speaker 2: pulls them in. And when you look at a performance
29:44
Speaker 2: like that, well you can see why.
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Speaker 14: Well, Sharry, they're protected species at the ABC. They tried
29:53
Speaker 14: to say that, you know, it was the media coming
29:55
Speaker 14: after them, which.
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Speaker 3: Was just absurd.
29:58
Speaker 14: Also, I'd like to point out where is used director.
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Speaker 1: Justin Stevens Now.
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Speaker 14: Mister Anderson said in his testimony today that he was
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Speaker 14: working with Laura he saw her statement which was thirteen
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Speaker 14: hundred words long before it was published.
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Speaker 1: He let her know.
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Speaker 14: David Edison believes what was coming in his statement nowhere
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Speaker 14: to be seen today, completely out of the picture.
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Speaker 3: He should have been there answering the questions. And where
30:23
Speaker 3: is Kim Williams who said.
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Speaker 14: If you're not in pasture, don't work at the ABC
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Speaker 14: exactly a good point.
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Speaker 2: He made a big song of dance of saying that
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Speaker 2: and then nothing to see here, Sophie Ellsworth, I tell
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Speaker 2: you what, we look forward to your media section on Monday,
30:38
Speaker 2: especially this week. I'm sure you have more news on Mike.
30:41
Speaker 3: Sneezebe and Channel nin and thanks for joining us.
30:44
Speaker 2: Now, a sociology professor was caught on tape telling her
30:48
Speaker 2: class that Western media pedaled fake news that Hermas had
30:53
Speaker 2: used sexual violence on October seven.
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Speaker 18: Have a look this article that was written by The
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Speaker 18: New York Times. Scream without words, screams without words, how
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Speaker 18: her mus weaponize sexual violence on October seventh is one
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Speaker 18: that time and again was proven wrong. That witnesses, they
31:11
Speaker 18: supposedly had said they never you know, that never.
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Speaker 3: Happened to them.
31:15
Speaker 18: The sources were attracted all kinds of things to prove that,
31:18
Speaker 18: you know, that this story was really you know, it
31:22
Speaker 18: was not a real story, that a lot of what
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Speaker 18: was in this article was not true.
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Speaker 2: In fact, it's the words she's uttering that are untrue.
31:31
Speaker 2: The rape of women on October seven has been proved
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Speaker 2: over and over again.
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Speaker 9: Now.
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Speaker 2: Full credit to Alexi Demitriadi for obtaining that amazing and
31:41
Speaker 2: shocking audio, and his reporting in this space has been exceptional.
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Speaker 3: And this comes just.
31:47
Speaker 2: Days after the university rewarded pro Palestinian protesters on campus
31:52
Speaker 2: by inviting them to review their defense and security research ties.
31:56
Speaker 2: And if this goes ahead, it could mean a boycott
31:59
Speaker 2: of israel products of Israeli companies. Meanwhile, the young and
32:04
Speaker 2: ignorant on social media, and not just the young, but
32:07
Speaker 2: the old and ignorant on social media are all sharing
32:11
Speaker 2: all eyes on RAFA posts. They've reportedly been more than
32:14
Speaker 2: forty million shares. And this is somewhat depressing because where
32:19
Speaker 2: were those forty million people on October seven?
32:22
Speaker 3: Where were the all eyes on Israel? Where have those
32:26
Speaker 3: forty million people been?
32:28
Speaker 2: When it comes to our hostages were still being held
32:32
Speaker 2: by Hamas we're to discuss all of this, The liberal
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Speaker 2: MP Julian Lisa joins me. Now, Julian, thank you very
32:39
Speaker 2: much for your time.
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Speaker 9: Thanks Rry.
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Speaker 2: Look, let's start with this social media trend that has
32:44
Speaker 2: been so upsetting because it's so one sided.
32:46
Speaker 9: Absolutely, let me say to anybody who's put this tile up,
32:49
Speaker 9: if your eyes are on guars, a lookout for the hostages.
32:52
Speaker 9: If your eyes are on Rafa, look out for the hostages,
32:53
Speaker 9: because that's why this conflict is going on. In the
32:55
Speaker 9: first place. We've got a situation now in the world
32:58
Speaker 9: where people whose knowledge of events is puddle deep want
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Speaker 9: a virtue signal, so they'll post and repost tiles where
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Speaker 9: they've got no real knowledge of the events that have happened.
33:08
Speaker 9: When the terrible terrorist attacks happened on the seventh of October,
33:11
Speaker 9: the largest murder of Jews in a single day since
33:14
Speaker 9: the Holocaust, dreadful rapes and dismemberment of bodies, the abductions
33:19
Speaker 9: and so on, where was the Jewish Lives Matter moment?
33:22
Speaker 9: Where was the Ride with Me movement? Where was the
33:25
Speaker 9: all Eyes on Israel moment? There just seems to be online,
33:30
Speaker 9: particularly among people who want to sort of become coctivists,
33:35
Speaker 9: a complete bias against Israel and a bias against Jewish people.
33:38
Speaker 2: Not only wasn't there a social media movement for Israel,
33:41
Speaker 2: but it was the opposite. People took to the streets
33:43
Speaker 2: against Israel. I still don't understand.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right, and this is even before the operation
33:47
Speaker 9: in Gaza exactly.
33:49
Speaker 2: I think the other thing is that people, including our
33:53
Speaker 2: foreign minister, keep putting pressure on Israel to have a
33:56
Speaker 2: humanitarian ceasefire. Why are there no calls for her muster, surrender,
34:01
Speaker 2: for her Musk to stop hiding using women and children
34:04
Speaker 2: as human shields, and no pressure on her Musk to
34:07
Speaker 2: return the hostages.
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Speaker 9: Well, they're absolutely right. This would all be over tomorrow
34:10
Speaker 9: if Hermas released the hostages, if they disabled their infrastructure,
34:15
Speaker 9: and if they surrendered, that's effectively what would bring this
34:19
Speaker 9: war to an end. And there's no pressure on them.
34:21
Speaker 9: In fact, Australia and other Western governments are giving them
34:24
Speaker 9: a sort of a free pass by doing things at
34:27
Speaker 9: the un which actually advantages the Hamas position, by improving
34:31
Speaker 9: the status of a Palestinian state at the United Nations.
34:33
Speaker 9: And I think that's a terrible thing. I think it
34:35
Speaker 9: lacks the moral clarity that we're also desperately needing at
34:38
Speaker 9: this time.
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Speaker 2: Now, we just saw what amounts to a clear false
34:42
Speaker 2: narrative peddled by a professor at a university saying that
34:47
Speaker 2: a New York Times article that documented the October seven
34:51
Speaker 2: sexual violence against women and rapes.
34:55
Speaker 3: Is fake news. I mean, this is appalling.
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Speaker 9: I'm disgusted that this is happening at a university in Australia.
35:02
Speaker 9: I'm disgusted because of the way in which it degrades
35:06
Speaker 9: and doesn't give respect to the women who went through
35:09
Speaker 9: that terrible ordeal. I must wanted to know, wanted us
35:12
Speaker 9: to know exactly what they did. That's why they wore
35:14
Speaker 9: the body cameras while they committed their crimes. That's why
35:17
Speaker 9: we've seen this week the release of videos, or it
35:21
Speaker 9: may have been last week of hermas saying these are
35:23
Speaker 9: the women that we're going to get pregnant. In other words,
35:25
Speaker 9: these are the women that we're going.
35:26
Speaker 1: To pack rape.
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Speaker 9: We've all seen the images earlier in the piece of
35:29
Speaker 9: women come out with bloody pants and so on. I mean,
35:32
Speaker 9: this is just disgusting. I am concerned that ordinary Australians
35:36
Speaker 9: are going to Sydney University getting an education, trying to
35:39
Speaker 9: better themselves, and instead they're getting indoctrination by political activists
35:43
Speaker 9: masquerading as professors, which is all this woman seems to be.
35:48
Speaker 3: You couldn't be more right.
35:49
Speaker 2: That is spot on, And yet what we're seeing is
35:51
Speaker 2: Mark Scott. I mean, where is he on professors like this?
35:55
Speaker 2: Why doesn't he sack them? And instead he seems to
35:57
Speaker 2: be giving in to the encampment to pro Palestinian protesters
36:01
Speaker 2: by offering them this deal but if they accept will
36:04
Speaker 2: mean that they don't do have ties with Israeli companies anymore.
36:08
Speaker 9: I think the president that's being said at Sydney University
36:11
Speaker 9: is the more you bully, the more you misbehave, the
36:15
Speaker 9: more you'll get out of the administration. And they're like
36:18
Speaker 9: somebody who owns a property saying to a burglar, come
36:20
Speaker 9: on into my house, we'll show you the silver and
36:23
Speaker 9: then we can negotiat about how much you take. That's
36:25
Speaker 9: effectively what they're doing here. I think it's the weakest
36:28
Speaker 9: leadership I have seen at any university, or indeed at
36:31
Speaker 9: any institution in our country. And that's why Shari I've
36:34
Speaker 9: been pushing for this judicial inquiry and antisemitism on campus
36:38
Speaker 9: because it's not just Sydney University, it's the whole sector.
36:41
Speaker 9: We need an inquiry, whether retired or serving judge, who
36:44
Speaker 9: can put Mark Scott on the witness stand, who can
36:46
Speaker 9: cross examine him, who can have a look at some
36:49
Speaker 9: of the course materials that students are being taught in
36:51
Speaker 9: lectures and the words that academics like this professor are saying,
36:55
Speaker 9: and look at the way in which universities are failing
36:58
Speaker 9: and have been failing for decades to or properly with antisemitism.
37:01
Speaker 9: The time for pussy footing on this issue is over.
37:04
Speaker 9: It's time for all members of Parliament to show that
37:07
Speaker 9: they don't support antisemitism in our universities by supporting my bill.
37:12
Speaker 3: Do you think Labor will support your bill?
37:14
Speaker 9: Well, I'm in discussions with the Labor Party at the moment.
37:17
Speaker 9: I have wide cross bench supporting relation to my bill,
37:20
Speaker 9: and I'm hoping that they will come that they will
37:23
Speaker 9: come on board because I think a judicial inquiry is
37:26
Speaker 9: in our interests, not just for Jewish students, but for
37:29
Speaker 9: all students who are going to university, because all students
37:31
Speaker 9: have the right to go to university free of harassment
37:34
Speaker 9: and intimidation, and also to learn the facts about things,
37:39
Speaker 9: not this distorted propaganda that seems to be taught at
37:41
Speaker 9: too many of our institutions.
37:42
Speaker 3: Eactly.
37:43
Speaker 2: And I think one great thing that you have going
37:46
Speaker 2: for you in terms of getting bipartisan support for your
37:49
Speaker 2: judicial inquiries, that you do have good relationships on both
37:52
Speaker 2: sides for the Aisle, and you know at times like
37:54
Speaker 2: this you need to draw on those relationships to get
37:56
Speaker 2: Labor to back this in because we do need a
37:58
Speaker 2: judicial inquiry or Royal Commission, something with teeth to examine
38:03
Speaker 2: what's happened.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, the idea that we would send this off to
38:05
Speaker 9: the Human Rights Commission, which I have said as systemic
38:08
Speaker 9: racism against Jewish people. They said nothing about the events
38:12
Speaker 9: of October seven, four months they've had staff and contractors
38:16
Speaker 9: who've been engaged in doxing and the like.
38:18
Speaker 2: One pretend of the Human Rights Commission even admitted in
38:21
Speaker 2: Josh's doco.
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Speaker 3: That they hadn't done enough. So absolutely, Juliane Lisa, thank
38:25
Speaker 3: you so much for your strong thoughts on this.
38:28
Speaker 2: Thank you show now coming up after the break of
38:31
Speaker 2: bad news for homeowners as the chance of rate cuts
38:35
Speaker 2: this year diminishes, Stay tuned, welcome back. Well, let's bring
38:43
Speaker 2: in tonight's panel, the Australian National Affairs Editor Joe Kelly
38:47
Speaker 2: and Sky News commentator Jason Morrison. Great to see you both. Look, Joe,
38:52
Speaker 2: let's return to this immigration scandal. I mean, Andrew Giles
38:56
Speaker 2: has been the scapegoat for the government for months.
38:58
Speaker 3: Now, yet now now we're seeing Albanesi.
39:01
Speaker 2: Being blamed himself for this mess because he tried to
39:05
Speaker 2: get Jacina Idern on site. Do you agree that this
39:09
Speaker 2: is an example of his own ideology impacting on national security.
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Speaker 19: Charry, what I think is that this is one of
39:19
Speaker 19: the most politically damaging decisions that the Albanese government has made,
39:26
Speaker 19: and I think that because it has a real shock factor.
39:30
Speaker 19: We knew that the government wanted to resolve this running
39:34
Speaker 19: saw in the relationship with New Zealand, that New Zealand
39:38
Speaker 19: had problems with undesirable people getting deported across the ditch.
39:42
Speaker 19: I think people thought it was fair enough to do
39:44
Speaker 19: something there, But in the last couple of weeks, the
39:46
Speaker 19: level of shock about the broader consequences and implications of
39:50
Speaker 19: that decision has been revealed and laid bare, and it
39:55
Speaker 19: is shocking. I think there needs to be accountability and
39:58
Speaker 19: a reckoning for that, and I think the Coalition can
40:03
Speaker 19: smell blood in the water in relation to Andrew Giles's
40:07
Speaker 19: scalp as Immigration Minister. But yes, I do think that
40:11
Speaker 19: the risk for Albanizi is that he elevated removing this
40:15
Speaker 19: obstacle from the New Zealand relationship over community safety, and
40:20
Speaker 19: that is a very damaging political narrative for him.
40:23
Speaker 2: I mean, Jason, you look back on those clips with
40:26
Speaker 2: jacintha Ardurn and how she was having a go at
40:29
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison for sending New Zealand citizens back to New
40:33
Speaker 2: Zealand if they'd committed crimes. And it's just so hard
40:37
Speaker 2: to believe that Anthony Albernezi capitulated to her at our expense.
40:42
Speaker 20: There was no need to appease her, absolutely none. It
40:46
Speaker 20: was done virtually as a gesture. It was done to
40:50
Speaker 20: show off and sort of looka's and there's a new
40:52
Speaker 20: sheriff in town. And of course what was not in
40:55
Speaker 20: the back of their minds at the time was the.
40:57
Speaker 1: Protection of Australians.
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Speaker 20: That should be fundament italy at the front of their
41:00
Speaker 20: minds all the time. It's not in this And they
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Speaker 20: did what they thought was good for her, not for us.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, what the hell was.
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Speaker 20: New Zealand going to do it always if we didn't
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Speaker 20: reverse it. Really, i mean, let's get real about this.
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Speaker 20: We've got an ongoing relation with these people. They're not
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Speaker 20: going to say, well, that's it, Australia.
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Speaker 1: You're gone.
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Speaker 20: It was a moment of weakness and we're all paying
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Speaker 20: for it.
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Speaker 2: No Australian voters in New Zealand, that's for sure. Now
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Speaker 2: new data shows Australians are feeling the strain of the
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Speaker 2: sharp increase in mortgage repayments.
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Speaker 3: In the past year.
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Speaker 2: The number of people falling behind are falling more than
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Speaker 2: thirty days behind on their home loans has increased in
41:38
Speaker 2: New South Wales, Western Australia and Victoria and Joe. We've
41:42
Speaker 2: also seen inflation climb to three point six percent in
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Speaker 2: the year to April. It's now possible that there's going
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Speaker 2: to be a rate hike in August, whereas the government
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Speaker 2: had been hoping that rates would fall by the end
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Speaker 2: of the year.
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Speaker 19: Look, this is a really big challenge for the government.
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Speaker 19: We had that surprise uptick, as you said, Cherry, in April,
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Speaker 19: inflation up to three point six from three point five
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Speaker 19: percent in March. I think the risk for the government
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Speaker 19: is that it has handed down and in an expansionary budget,
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Speaker 19: it's tried to buy a rate cut. But a lot
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Speaker 19: of the economists say the Reserve Bank will look through that.
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Speaker 19: We have the conventional wisdom from most economists saying that
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Speaker 19: rates will be higher from longer. That there are some
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Speaker 19: hawks out there. Warren Hergan among them, saying that he
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Speaker 19: thinks that you know, it's even chance that the Reserve
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Speaker 19: Bank might be tempted to hike. Now, if that happens,
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Speaker 19: it is a political catastrophe for Jim Chalmers and Labor
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Speaker 19: and it shows that they brought down the wrong budget
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Speaker 19: for the times and mischarged that inflation challenge.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about this, Jason?
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Speaker 2: Do you think the government's budget will be blamed if
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Speaker 2: inflation continues to inch up and the RBA decides it
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Speaker 2: has to raise rates.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 20: I have a more broader view about it. I don't
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Speaker 20: sit in blame and the budget. I blame government's involvement
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Speaker 20: and interference in so many things that are naturally pushing
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Speaker 20: prices up. I mean, we're about to go through a
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Speaker 20: period where exercises will rise on everything, where tolls will
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Speaker 20: go up in New South Wales and parts of Queensland
43:16
Speaker 20: as well, because governments make stupid decisions and don't want
43:19
Speaker 20: to act on it. And then at the same time
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Speaker 20: you've got council rates on the rise being pushed up here,
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Speaker 20: there and everywhere, and you know, electricity prices.
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Speaker 1: Did we mention that all of these things?
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Speaker 20: I think that government could actually have an impact on
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Speaker 20: pushing down on but they choose to not act or overact,
43:36
Speaker 20: and we end up paying for it.
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Speaker 1: So the budget, to me is a small part of
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Speaker 1: the story.
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Speaker 20: The real part of the story is everything else they
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Speaker 20: just do automatically, and that's push up the price.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, now, just quickly before we go, there are reports
43:48
Speaker 2: today that the PM gave an ironclad guarantee to big
43:51
Speaker 2: business not to include a so called climate trigger in
43:55
Speaker 2: environment legislation that would stock new coal and gas mines
43:59
Speaker 2: being open and Joe, there are now calls for the
44:02
Speaker 2: PM to explain if he did give this commitment. But
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Speaker 2: if he did, why the secrecy over it.
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Speaker 19: Well, I think that's exactly the point, Cherry. I think
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Speaker 19: what everyone wants to know, including the business community, is
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Speaker 19: what is the government's position. So Tanya Plitisak previously said
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Speaker 19: this wasn't going to be included in the APBC, Anthony
44:24
Speaker 19: Alberanzi seems to be mudding the waters somewhat. This is
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Speaker 19: a Greens proposal and essentially it would add another layer
44:31
Speaker 19: of bureaucracy regulation for major projects going ahead based on
44:34
Speaker 19: their emissions footprint, and some of the projects which might
44:38
Speaker 19: not go ahead as a result of this would actually
44:40
Speaker 19: be those projects that are needed in the transition to
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Speaker 19: net zero. So you can understand why the Business Council
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Speaker 19: is concerned, and I think instead of the confusing answer
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Speaker 19: that the Prime Minister gave in question time today, he
44:51
Speaker 19: needs to be clear about what Labour's position is on
44:55
Speaker 19: many things.
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Speaker 2: Joe Kelly, Jason Morris, and thank you very much for
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Speaker 2: your treasure. Now, after the break, we'll cross live to
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Speaker 2: Washington for the latest from Donald Trump's hush money trial.
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Speaker 3: Annalise Nielsen would.
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Speaker 2: Join me next, let's bring in now Sky News's Washington
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Speaker 2: correspondent Analise Nielsen. Analise, thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 2: us Now. Donald Trump's hush money trial is massive news.
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Speaker 2: The jury asked to see fresh evidence again yesterday. What
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Speaker 2: other testimony did they want to re examine?
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Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, this is the really interesting bit because this
45:35
Speaker 17: is all we really have access to to gain an
45:37
Speaker 17: idea of what the jury is thinking while they're deliberating. Remember,
45:41
Speaker 17: in this case, like any criminal case, just one juror
45:44
Speaker 17: going against the rest of the group is enough to
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Speaker 17: have a hung jury and then it's all over unless
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Speaker 17: the prosecution and the courts decide that they want to
45:52
Speaker 17: do it again. And so they've asked again to see
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Speaker 17: the testimony. David Pecker. He's from the National Inquirer, and
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Speaker 17: he gave all that evidence into the hush money catch
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Speaker 17: and kill scheme work where the National Enquirer would pay
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Speaker 17: people exclusively for their stories, but instead of running them,
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Speaker 17: would bury them to help the Trump campaign. They've also
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Speaker 17: asked to see portions of testimony again from Michael Cohen,
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Speaker 17: and this is really important because this entire case, as
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Speaker 17: much as the prosecutions trying to draw the focus otherwise,
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Speaker 17: does rest on the testimony of Michael Cohen, because he's
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Speaker 17: the only one with direct evidence that Donald Trump knew
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Speaker 17: that these transactions were being misrecorded, and that is the
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Speaker 17: crime here, not that there's any allegation of the hush
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Speaker 17: money payments wrong, but if they want to prove that
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Speaker 17: Donald Trump is guilty, they have to prove that he
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Speaker 17: knew that these payments were being misrecorded, and that's the
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Speaker 17: crux of this. But just to take a step back
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Speaker 17: as well, it's very interesting in the context of a
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Speaker 17: jury to be looking at something like this and a
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Speaker 17: crime where there's no victim. There's been no victim giving
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Speaker 17: testimony in all this, and so we're coming down to
46:57
Speaker 17: a big pile of paperwork for these juries. That's really
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Speaker 17: tricky for them to come to a conclusion when it's
47:04
Speaker 17: been so complicated, and the prosecutor took a very long
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Speaker 17: time going through those closing arguments. No doubt there would
47:09
Speaker 17: have been a little lost as some portions after six hours.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's been mountains of analysis about which way the
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Speaker 2: jury will go. But it does have to be a
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Speaker 2: unanimous decision, doesn't it And what do you think the
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Speaker 2: likelihood is.
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Speaker 1: Of that.
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Speaker 3: It does?
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Speaker 17: And of course this has been non stop news. The
47:32
Speaker 17: cable news channels have been running analysis and excerpts coming
47:36
Speaker 17: out of the courts all day, every day for weeks,
47:38
Speaker 17: and so this is something that people have been watching
47:41
Speaker 17: very closely. But the issue is you never really know
47:44
Speaker 17: how jurors are going to go. Yes, this is a
47:47
Speaker 17: very democrat area in America. They do extensive vetting of jurors.
47:51
Speaker 17: They fill out forms, you know where they work. The
47:54
Speaker 17: judge gets to ask questions in wider process to find
47:57
Speaker 17: out if there's any bias that would make them unable
48:00
Speaker 17: to give a fair and impartial analysis. From what we
48:03
Speaker 17: know of the jurors, there's potentially one who'd be leaning
48:06
Speaker 17: more towards a pro Trump stunts, but at the end
48:09
Speaker 17: of the day, they're all supposed to put all those
48:10
Speaker 17: biases aside and just look at the evidence before them.
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Speaker 17: And so you just don't know how people are going
48:15
Speaker 17: to analyze all of that when it's in front of them.
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Speaker 2: And how is this all playing out politically in the
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Speaker 2: presidential campaign.
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Speaker 17: Look if Donald Trump, I think six months ago, had
48:27
Speaker 17: sat down and tried to figure out what the best
48:29
Speaker 17: case scenario would be for his legal troubles, I think
48:31
Speaker 17: we're pretty much there. Every other case has fallen apart
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Speaker 17: delayed until after the election, and this is the only
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Speaker 17: one going forward, and it is complicated, it's rehashing all issues,
48:43
Speaker 17: and if anything, it's just driven everyone further into their
48:46
Speaker 17: own preconceived ideas of Donald Trump. And that's not me
48:50
Speaker 17: saying that, that's the poll saying that because no one's
48:52
Speaker 17: abandoning Donald Trump for support over this. If anything, he's
48:56
Speaker 17: had a bump in support because his supporters feel like
48:59
Speaker 17: he's been persecuted.
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Speaker 3: That it's all politically driven.
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Speaker 17: And then we've also got Biden not doing very well
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Speaker 17: in the post because he's losing young voters.
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Speaker 2: Analie Nielsen, thank you so much for your time and
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Speaker 2: thanks everyone for your company this week, here's Paul Murray