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Sonny Gray to Red Sox, Ohtani confirms WBC, Yankees not profitable? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: just before the show started, so let's get to it.
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Speaker 2: Let's charge it about.
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Speaker 1: Sonny Gray moving over from the Cardinals to the Red Sox,
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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals are going to cover about half of
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Speaker 1: what he's due for twenty twenty six. That's twenty million dollars.
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Speaker 1: They're also going to receive Brandon Clark, who is a
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Speaker 1: left handed pitching prospect from the Sox system, and Richard
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Speaker 1: Fitz who made some starts last year for Boston. They
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Speaker 1: both go over to Saint Louis. The Red Sox are
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Speaker 1: on the hook for twenty one million dollars for twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six. There's some complications with how the salary works
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Speaker 1: for twenty six and the buyouts and all that, But
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Speaker 1: all you need to know is that this is a
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Speaker 1: starter Cratz that the Red Sox will have for one
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Speaker 1: year and twenty one million dollars. They were looking for
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Speaker 1: someone that can be a playoff starter. Do you feel
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Speaker 1: like that was accomplished?
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Speaker 2: Man, he is right on that fringe. I mean he didn't. Honestly,
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Speaker 2: they said they're looking for ones and twos. They're looking
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Speaker 2: for somebody to slot in behind Crochet. I don't know.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can say he's a playoff starter.
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Speaker 2: I just feel like, can he start games in the playoffs?
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Speaker 1: Yes?
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Speaker 2: His track record of not going past the fifth inning
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Speaker 2: makes me leary, makes me feel like, man, you got
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Speaker 2: to have an absolutely banger bullpen. What's the Red Sox
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Speaker 2: do to say? Yes, we trust him to be a
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Speaker 2: playoff starter. But I think I think he's I think
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Speaker 2: he's got the ability to. I don't know that that
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Speaker 2: length is going to necessarily bode well for the playoffs,
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Speaker 2: but maybe, Hey, nobody goes over five innings, you know,
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Speaker 2: you go right to your garret windlocks, your Eromus Chatman's
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Speaker 2: and the game's over.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Sonny, I think the name may be
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Speaker 3: a little sexier than the guy. But I think you
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Speaker 3: got to believe in Andrew Bailey over there and what
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Speaker 3: he's been able to do with some some pitchers. And
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're going out and spending this much
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Speaker 3: money if they don't believe that he is a number two.
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Speaker 3: I think you got to believe in the process, the
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Speaker 3: people that they have in place, you know, what they
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Speaker 3: believe Sonny can kind of, you know, either turn back
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Speaker 3: to or turn into I mean I was looking at
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Speaker 3: his numbers today. They're not overly impressive, but he did
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Speaker 3: strike out over two hundred guys. You know, maybe changing
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Speaker 3: the pitch our arsenal a little bit, you know, pitching
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Speaker 3: behind a Garrett Crow may help him.
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Speaker 2: I just like that.
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Speaker 3: It's two Tennessee boys at the top of the food
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Speaker 3: chain for them over there.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I like that. I like Vanderbilt. You know,
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Speaker 2: you have Sonny Gray has something that not a lot
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Speaker 2: of guys have. And I don't know how this ages.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how this even works for pitchers later
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Speaker 2: in the career. He's really athletic. He is super that
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Speaker 2: We're talking about it in our production meeting, Like this
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Speaker 2: dude can sling the football and then people will be like, oh,
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Speaker 2: what does that matter. You have to be able to change,
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Speaker 2: You have to be able to make adjustments. And if
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Speaker 2: you look at his pitch usage, which I'll kind of
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Speaker 2: talk about when we bring up the whole like big market,
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Speaker 2: small market type of picture, But his pitch usage has
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Speaker 2: changed significantly throughout his career, and I think it's him
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Speaker 2: adapting to what he needs to do. Like he used
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Speaker 2: to be. He used to be like almost equal sinker slider.
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Speaker 2: He'd mix that slider into a cutter, and then he
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Speaker 2: started working in a ton more curve. Now that cutter
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Speaker 2: is one of his more predominant pitches. Like, it's something
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Speaker 2: that he's able to. Some people would say, you know,
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Speaker 2: he can spin the ball, but he can really manipulate
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Speaker 2: it and change it. And I think that's just it's
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Speaker 2: a testament to his athleticism. So if there's something and
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Speaker 2: Andrew Bailey says, hey, you know what, try this, Hey,
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Speaker 2: you know what, do this physically, he's a guy that
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Speaker 2: could pick it up super quick because he knows how
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Speaker 2: his body works.
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Speaker 1: This is a much higher floor than the same price
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Speaker 1: they paid for Walker Buehler last year on a one
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Speaker 1: year deal around the same number, right, This is a
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Speaker 1: much higher floor. I think the floor for Sonny Gray
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Speaker 1: is what a number three maybe a number four starting
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Speaker 1: pitcher if you do think he's going to decline. This
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Speaker 1: past season of four to eighty RA, he made thirty
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Speaker 1: two starts, very healthy year for him. Fielding independent pitching
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Speaker 1: was much lower expected RA lower, right, so some of
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Speaker 1: the results maybe didn't go his way. Maybe look at
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Speaker 1: the defense, not that it's necessarily going to be better
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Speaker 1: over in Boston, the work to do to improve that.
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Speaker 1: But the strikeout to walk ratio was literally the best
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Speaker 1: in the National League. And like you mentioned Kratz, I
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Speaker 1: mean he's still getting elite results on some of those pitches,
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Speaker 1: curveball and sweeper in particular. So there's a lot to
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Speaker 1: like here and KP it's only for one year. Sonny
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Speaker 1: does have a little bit of a track record of
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Speaker 1: struggle in a big market. That is a factor. That
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Speaker 1: was the one part where I looked initially and said, oh, really,
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Speaker 1: he's waving his no trade clause for Boston. But he
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Speaker 1: wanted to be on the East Coast to be close
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Speaker 1: enough to Tennessee, where he's from, and also he wanted
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Speaker 1: to pitch for a contender, and he probably learned from
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Speaker 1: his teammate now former team in Nolan Arnato that if
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Speaker 1: you're too picky and you say no early on, you
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Speaker 1: might end up in Saint Louis next year on a
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Speaker 1: team that's somewhat in a rebuild mode under High and
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Speaker 1: Bloom who takes over.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I love the durability aspect at the
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Speaker 3: very least. Like you said, if the floor is getting
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Speaker 3: thirty two starts at a four ear ra, it's a
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Speaker 3: very valuable pitcher to have. And you weren't here last time.
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Speaker 3: I was on Scott But me and Cratsey went back
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Speaker 3: and forth about there's no such thing as a one bad,
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Speaker 3: one year deal. There is a price you teams are
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Speaker 3: willing to go to, and apparently for the Red Sox,
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Speaker 3: twenty one million is not too much for them to
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Speaker 3: go to for a one year deal. So hopefully Sonny
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Speaker 3: is a guy that they think that he has, like
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Speaker 3: Crassey mentioned, the athleticism, They can, you know, manipulate some
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Speaker 3: things with him a little bit, you know, maybe get
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Speaker 3: his era down a little bit. But you know, I
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Speaker 3: love the fact he's willing to get rid of his
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Speaker 3: no trade claws. To go to a place like Boston,
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Speaker 3: which historically has kind of been a big market, but
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Speaker 3: I think it's a lesser, a tier down from a
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Speaker 3: New York. And maybe there's still some bitterness in Sonny
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Speaker 3: from his failures in New York, and maybe it's an
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Speaker 3: opportunity for him to go back and feel like he
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Speaker 3: can really stick it to the Yankees.
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Speaker 2: in that land. Chap He's like, yeah, you know what,
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Speaker 2: I'll sign with who the Yankee Saint Boston and I
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Speaker 2: hate the Yankees, so I'm gonna go there. No, I
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Speaker 2: don't think that's how. I don't think that's how. And
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Speaker 2: if I wasn't there, maybe I would jump on board
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Speaker 2: with the whole camp pitch and the big market thing
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Speaker 2: because he's got that country accent. That's just a narrative.
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Speaker 2: I was there, I saw it. It was a contradiction
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Speaker 2: of pitch usage. Larry Rothschild was the pitching coach and
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Speaker 2: I've said his on before and it's definitely been something
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Speaker 2: that's gotten play. But he wanted him to throw more
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Speaker 2: of what was considered as slider registers more as a curveball.
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Speaker 2: When he was more slider and curveball. And if you
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Speaker 2: talk to and maybe remember to ask Steven Vote when
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Speaker 2: he comes on next time, what it was like to
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Speaker 2: catch Sonny Gray in Oakland. He's like, it was it
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Speaker 2: was a guessing game, because there would be times where
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Speaker 2: I'd call a sinker and he'd throw a cutter, and
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Speaker 2: voters like, why on earth did you throw a cutter?
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Speaker 2: Or he'd call it cutter, you know, cutter slider, and
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Speaker 2: he'd throw he'd throw the opposite. He's like, well, you know, man,
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Speaker 2: he says, sometimes i just get to the top of
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Speaker 2: my motion and I'm like, nah, I think I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: do this instead, and voters like, well, I'd like to know.
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Speaker 2: And so when he goes over to New York, they
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Speaker 2: kind of took away some of that, like, hey, I
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Speaker 2: want to feel this out, I want to manipulate this,
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Speaker 2: I want to throw the way I want to throw,
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Speaker 2: and it was more of like a strict like this
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Speaker 2: is what works. We need to throw more of this.
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Speaker 2: And if you go look at his usage while he
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Speaker 2: was there, it didn't work and and or it didn't
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Speaker 2: work as well as it was working. And everybody's real
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Speaker 2: quick to play the narrative of ooh, big market. The
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Speaker 2: pressure got to him. I was there watching him. It
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Speaker 2: wasn't the pressure of the market. He's like, we were
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Speaker 2: sitting in the bullpen in the playoffs and he's like,
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Speaker 2: I just want to throw how I want to throw?
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Speaker 2: I've had success? Why do they want to change me?
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Speaker 2: So it's not a fear of a big market. It's not.
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Speaker 2: It's not anything like that. He wouldn't have accepted it
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Speaker 2: if he was like, ooh, Boston scary.
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Speaker 1: What about the home road splits though back then.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm only telling you what he told me.
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Speaker 2: Helped him, you know, have the most success, and you
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Speaker 2: know home road splits. So so because he's in in
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Speaker 2: Yankee Stadium, he feels like, oh I can't handle this.
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Speaker 2: The guy's you know, the fans are booing me. I
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Speaker 2: don't know, Kpe, did you ever feel like you couldn't
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Speaker 2: play somewhere because fans were on you?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: Never.
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Speaker 3: I mean everyone's a little bit different. I mean I
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Speaker 3: think his starting picture is a little bit different. I
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Speaker 3: think the starting picture home road splits are maybe a
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Speaker 3: little bit different because, as you could probably attest, because
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Speaker 3: you've stood on the mound more than I have Cratzy
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Speaker 3: coming out to talk to pictures. Every mound's a little
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Speaker 3: bit different too, So I mean there is an element
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Speaker 3: of things being a little bit different, you know, from
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Speaker 3: a hitter's perspective, every box feels a little bit different.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I never kind of went into a
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Speaker 3: specific city and was like, oh, I can't hit here
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Speaker 3: because of the fans, I can't do something on the road.
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Speaker 3: There's obviously some elements that you know, played a factor
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Speaker 3: that made certain road ballparks a little bit more difficult,
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Speaker 3: whether it was the visual off the hitter's eye, the
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Speaker 3: way the sun was in the outfield, maybe you weren't
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Speaker 3: used to, but it had never had anything to do
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Speaker 3: with the fans.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. That my thing is, if okay, there's two layers here,
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Speaker 1: do you think that things change when he goes over
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Speaker 1: to Boston or do you believe what Kratz is talking
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Speaker 1: about here It didn't really have to do with the
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Speaker 1: size of the market. I do think, even though you
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Speaker 1: guys don't feel this way, there are definitely players that
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Speaker 1: we've seen in the past who cannot handle certain markets.
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Speaker 1: Do we all agree on that we've seen some players
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Speaker 1: look like the same person in terms of their skill set,
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Speaker 1: but move over to a team like the Yankees or
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Speaker 1: even the Mets or the Red Sox and really struggle.
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Speaker 1: Don't you feel like you've seen some cases like that.
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Speaker 3: I don't put the Red Sox in that same tier though,
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Speaker 3: I mean I was there. Granted it was the COVID year,
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Speaker 3: so it was a little bit different, but you could
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Speaker 3: always get a feel I played in. I played in
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Speaker 3: New York with the Mets, and I also played in
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Speaker 3: the Red Sox and even pre COVID. Just judging off
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Speaker 3: of spring training, the amount of media that was around,
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Speaker 3: the amount of you know, kind of feel of the
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Speaker 3: bigger market. I mean, I don't put Boston up there.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it is one of the bigger markets in
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Speaker 3: the game, but in terms of like that kind of
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Speaker 3: external pressure you feel from a market, Boston was way
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Speaker 3: different than New York in my opinion, KP.
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Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you think about, like
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Speaker 2: when people say the big market, what I think of
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Speaker 2: when I hear guys struggle, or when I think like
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Speaker 2: how I was uncomfortable at places? It was your environment
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Speaker 2: that you lived in. Some people don't like living in
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Speaker 2: the city. So you play for the Yankees, you got
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Speaker 2: to drive out to White Planes. You got to drive out,
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Speaker 2: you know, north of Yonker, so you're not in the city.
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Speaker 2: You know, some people don't enjoy that part of it.
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Speaker 2: But do you feel like, do you feel like there
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Speaker 2: was ever place when you were in when you were
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Speaker 2: in Queens, were you ever like, Man, I can't handle
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Speaker 2: this because these media guys, they're just always all over me.
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Speaker 3: No, it's a fair point. I mean, the media wasn't
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Speaker 3: like the bigger thing. It's obviously maybe some like external
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Speaker 3: pressure from like the way that the fans are a
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Speaker 3: little bit and obviously the media and New York's just
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Speaker 3: a little bit different. Like there was things where you
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Speaker 3: may feel like you're having a conversation with the player
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Speaker 3: and next thing you know, it's on the cover of
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Speaker 3: the New York Post. Right, So, like things like that
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Speaker 3: bothered me a little bit about New York. But I
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Speaker 3: think you nailed it perfectly. When it comes to bigger markets,
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Speaker 3: that's just call them bigger cities. Yeah. I felt like
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Speaker 3: at the end of my tenure of being in New York,
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Speaker 3: the Mets, it weighed on me a little bit. I
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Speaker 3: was commuting from Long Island City to Flushings every day,
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Speaker 3: which you know, if you look at your map, it
14:55
Speaker 3: says it's eight miles, but it could take you up
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Speaker 3: to an hour and a half and you're sitting in
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Speaker 3: bumper to bumper trap and it's just you know, by
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Speaker 3: the time you get to the ballpark. And I was
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Speaker 3: commuting every day. I was driving Aaron Loup, who lived
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Speaker 3: in my same building. I'd drive him, his wife would
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Speaker 3: drive my wife and kids. We kind of carpooled that way,
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Speaker 3: but I was the one driving him every day. And
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Speaker 3: there'd be times I get to the field I just
15:17
Speaker 3: have to sit in my chair for like thirty minutes
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Speaker 3: and just kind of decompress. And I hadn't even played
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Speaker 3: the game yet, and I was already worn out from
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Speaker 3: the drive. And then I think about other places I
15:26
Speaker 3: played in my career where you know, Atlanta has some
15:29
Speaker 3: bad traffic, but I'm thinking about like my setup in Atlanta.
15:31
Speaker 3: I was living in a nice house in a neighborhood,
15:33
Speaker 3: I had a backyard, my family was really happy. I
15:36
Speaker 3: was happy. Like I think that's a bigger factor in
15:39
Speaker 3: certain places that you play. When you talk about big
15:41
Speaker 3: markets or big cities, it's just kind of your living
15:44
Speaker 3: arrangements and the way you commute to the stadium. Maybe
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Speaker 3: that's kind of something that weighed on Sunny a little bit.
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Speaker 3: But Cratsey, you would know more. You were in the
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Speaker 3: clubhouse with him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And for me, the place where
15:56
Speaker 2: I didn't feel comfortable, it was such a it was
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Speaker 2: such a burdensome drive to the field where I was staying.
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Speaker 2: I forget even where did we stay when we were
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Speaker 2: out in San Francisco, because it took me forever to.
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Speaker 3: Get Lofayette maybe or wut Lofayette, maybe.
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Speaker 2: Walnut Creek, because I drove by and i'd pick you
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Speaker 2: up in the morning one or two times for like
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Speaker 2: a day game, and I'm like, man, well my wife
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Speaker 2: comes out here. She's gonna come out to watch me
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Speaker 2: play in a day game. And I remember it thinking
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Speaker 2: like it's gonna take her an hour and a half
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Speaker 2: to get to the game the only day I play,
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Speaker 2: Like the day games were the only days I play.
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Speaker 2: So that's when she would come in to see the game.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's gonna suck. She's not even gonna
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Speaker 2: be out here. So yeah, all that stuff goes into it,
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Speaker 2: but rarely, rarely, rarely is it? Is it the fans
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Speaker 2: that are really getting on you. I remember Carl Crawford
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Speaker 2: said some things about playing in Boston where he was like,
16:50
Speaker 2: it was one hundred percent of the fans that were
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Speaker 2: getting on me, the Boston fans. He became a red sock. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's definitely certain places you go. There's definitely
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Speaker 3: certain places you go where the fan engagement is different.
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Speaker 3: Like Philly is obviously a tough environment to go into
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Speaker 3: as a visiting player. Going into Yankee Stadium is a
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Speaker 3: tough environment to go in, but I never like went
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Speaker 3: into a game or like on the bus ride over,
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Speaker 3: I wasn't like, well, I can't perform here because the fans.
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Speaker 3: It's just you knew it was going to be part
17:20
Speaker 3: of the environment that you were going to play in,
17:21
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17:23
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17:24
Speaker 1: Hey, we did get more information on that film Aton
17:27
Speaker 1: deal with the Cubs. It's fourteen and a half million
17:29
Speaker 1: dollars two years, plus a club option and two hundred
17:32
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars in incentives per year based on
17:34
Speaker 1: games pitched. So, as John Hayman wrote, there's a good
17:37
Speaker 1: chance it ends up as a two year contract for
17:40
Speaker 1: fifteen million bucks. Here's a tweet from Jeff Jones. This
17:42
Speaker 1: is good for all involved, including the Cardinals two straight years. Also,
17:45
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17:48
Speaker 1: spun forward into multi year eight figure deals for veteran relievers.
17:52
Speaker 1: It makes it easier to sell the role to similar
17:54
Speaker 1: free agents. I love that point, KP. There are some
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18:00
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18:01
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18:04
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know much about their pitching development and department,
18:10
Speaker 3: but sometimes it's just opportunity. Maybe a little thinner bullpen,
18:13
Speaker 3: more opportunity to go out there and pitch, and you know,
18:15
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18:18
Speaker 3: Let me go somewherehere I can play and eventually, you know,
18:21
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, you know, with with Yati gone, you definitely
18:30
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18:33
Speaker 2: better usage. A lot of this is on Ali Marmal,
18:36
Speaker 2: so you know they're building. Hopefully they're building something, but
18:40
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18:44
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18:47
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18:52
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
20:01
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
20:03
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
20:04
Speaker 1: That's what he said. We just love how we get
20:09
Speaker 1: to cover this and many other places can't. So Hal Steinberner,
20:13
Speaker 1: owner of the New York Yankees, talking about a number
20:17
Speaker 1: of things payroll wise and revenue wise. Here's Brendan Coody,
20:21
Speaker 1: who writes for The Athletic, and you tweeted this out
20:24
Speaker 1: among his story to promote it. Was it fair to
20:26
Speaker 1: assume the Yankees turn to profit this year? Words from
20:30
Speaker 1: Hal quote, No, it's not actually, And then he wrote
20:34
Speaker 1: a story about if the Yankees are profitable or not.
20:39
Speaker 1: I don't know, O KP. If the Yankees don't know
20:42
Speaker 1: how to make money, I guess the sport really is broken.
20:48
Speaker 3: And the season. If the Yankees aren't making money, we
20:51
Speaker 3: should all just hang it up. But you're not going
20:53
Speaker 3: to get any empathy or sympathy for me. I'm really
20:57
Speaker 3: tired of this conversation, because there's just one simple answer.
21:01
Speaker 3: If that's truly the case, prove it. Just open the books,
21:04
Speaker 3: you know, and then I think players would have maybe
21:07
Speaker 3: I don't want to say players would act a little
21:10
Speaker 3: bit differently, but I think maybe there would be a
21:12
Speaker 3: little bit empathy or sympathy when a player is like
21:14
Speaker 3: trying to demand X amount in a contract and they're like, man,
21:17
Speaker 3: these teams actually are losing money every year. Like you,
21:20
Speaker 3: maybe you would have a little bit of a you
21:22
Speaker 3: have a little bit of better feel for it. But
21:24
Speaker 3: right now, all we know is the evaluation of a franchise,
21:28
Speaker 3: and we know the Yankees are the only sports franchise
21:30
Speaker 3: valued over eight billion dollars and that increases every year.
21:35
Speaker 3: So until they open up the books and improve it,
21:37
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear about it.
21:39
Speaker 1: And some people say, well, just because the team's worth
21:42
Speaker 1: this doesn't mean that they have that money available now. Okay, fine, cool,
21:46
Speaker 1: but again, they are still profitable when you own a
21:49
Speaker 1: company or whatever, and they give out dividends like that's
21:51
Speaker 1: a thing. Sure can they just dip into the eight
21:54
Speaker 1: billion dollars at any point that they want that they're worth?
21:57
Speaker 1: I mean kind of with loans but not completely get it.
22:00
Speaker 1: But we don't think the Yankees are making money on
22:03
Speaker 1: a year to year basis. Here's one note from the article,
22:07
Speaker 1: how profitable are the Yankees of breakdown? Using publicly available data,
22:12
Speaker 1: Their revenue in twenty twenty four per Forbes seven hundred
22:15
Speaker 1: twenty eight million per CNBC, which does these kind of
22:18
Speaker 1: figures as well, seven h five. So let's say they're
22:21
Speaker 1: seven to seventeen. If we're averaging those two, their player
22:24
Speaker 1: payroll in twenty twenty four was three hundred and sixteen
22:27
Speaker 1: million dollars minus CBT tax sixty three million dollars. Hold on,
22:32
Speaker 1: we're still missing hundreds of millions of dollars unaccounted for.
22:37
Speaker 1: Kratz help me out here, I get it. Super nice facilities,
22:41
Speaker 1: many employees, blah blah blah, they're not worth hundreds of
22:45
Speaker 1: millions of dollars per year.
22:48
Speaker 2: They pay one hundred million dollars every year to the
22:50
Speaker 2: City of New York for the bond on the stadium,
22:53
Speaker 2: so one hundred and more million comes off of that. Also,
22:56
Speaker 2: like New York City loves the fact that the Yankees
22:59
Speaker 2: are there, there's commerce that happens, but it's not a
23:04
Speaker 2: little less than that.
23:05
Speaker 1: By the way, it's I think it's in the eighties,
23:06
Speaker 1: but okay, it's.
23:07
Speaker 2: In the eighties. Okay, the number I had read was
23:09
Speaker 2: one hundred million. But either way, that's every year. That's
23:12
Speaker 2: their mortgage on the house that Aaron Judges built. But
23:19
Speaker 2: I've seen the inside of Yankee Stadium, the organization, the facilities,
23:24
Speaker 2: the coaches that they continue to add, the performance coaches
23:28
Speaker 2: that they continue to add, and I know they get
23:31
Speaker 2: the best that are out there. They went out and
23:34
Speaker 2: they got Eric Cressey. I don't know that Eric, you know,
23:36
Speaker 2: really says he's part of the Yankees, but he is
23:39
Speaker 2: a consultant. He sets up a lot of what they do.
23:42
Speaker 2: They have more strength coaches at each at each stop.
23:46
Speaker 2: They have more video guys, they have more analysts, they
23:49
Speaker 2: have all that stuff. Why do they have all that
23:52
Speaker 2: because they want to be the best and they feel
23:53
Speaker 2: like there's a value in that. I promise you that
23:57
Speaker 2: number doesn't get all the way up to the seven
24:00
Speaker 2: under and whatever million you think they made in revenue
24:03
Speaker 2: last year. But we're showing we're looking at a picture
24:06
Speaker 2: of how right now. How is not like George, don't
24:11
Speaker 2: expect them to be like George George owned the Yankees.
24:14
Speaker 2: George answered to nobody how answers to a group of
24:18
Speaker 2: ownership that Now, let's say they make one hundred million
24:23
Speaker 2: dollars and there's x amount of people that's one hundred
24:26
Speaker 2: million divided by x, and everyone's like, wait a minute,
24:30
Speaker 2: I own part of the Yankees. Why am I not
24:32
Speaker 2: getting more and more and more and more. Easiest way
24:35
Speaker 2: to suffice and make those people happy, We'll try to
24:39
Speaker 2: cut our spending. Well, what's the way that you cut
24:41
Speaker 2: your spending payroll? Well, why do four of the nine
24:45
Speaker 2: owners for the Yankees not want to increase payroll? Because
24:49
Speaker 2: they don't care about winning as much as some of
24:51
Speaker 2: the other owners. All they care about is what kind
24:55
Speaker 2: of check they're getting in their wallet each year, each month, however,
24:58
Speaker 2: they're paid out. So it's not not just how's the
25:01
Speaker 2: forward facing person? And yes, the Yankees are profitable. All
25:06
Speaker 2: of these teams are profitable. If they weren't, they would
25:09
Speaker 2: be selling them.
25:11
Speaker 1: David Ripkin, who's a big FT fan and often puts
25:14
Speaker 1: things in cool perspective on Twitter, said, so, Hal Steinberner's
25:17
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent or the Yankees, He's general partner,
25:20
Speaker 1: he has other owners to answer for. He was summarizing
25:23
Speaker 1: some of the other quotes from him during his public
25:26
Speaker 1: outcry for more money. He said, the mistakes in summer
25:29
Speaker 1: Swoon need to stop. He said last year's failure was
25:31
Speaker 1: on the players. He said he'd like a lower payroll
25:33
Speaker 1: to appease certain investors, but also it doesn't necessarily happen.
25:36
Speaker 1: He said, payroll decisions can change quickly with proposals, and
25:39
Speaker 1: of course mentioned the salary cap to appease his owner fraternity.
25:43
Speaker 1: People forget, how is one of the owners who pushes
25:45
Speaker 1: to avoid work stoppages. And I give him a lot
25:48
Speaker 1: of credit for that, But you got to be in
25:49
Speaker 1: the room and agree with your brethren. Anyway, it sounds
25:54
Speaker 1: like from a payroll perspective, the team's going to be
25:56
Speaker 1: in a similar range as usual. That's the demand of Yanks.
26:01
Speaker 1: Krat you know about it, KP, you know about it.
26:03
Speaker 1: Yankee fans want to see the team spend way more
26:06
Speaker 1: than everyone else, and they're just not going to do
26:08
Speaker 1: that anymore. And the thing I will give on house
26:11
Speaker 1: side is they spend a lot. They put the team
26:14
Speaker 1: in a position both player payroll and resources wise. In general,
26:17
Speaker 1: with the organization to be able to compete, and right
26:19
Speaker 1: now they're getting embarrassed in my mind by the Dodgers,
26:22
Speaker 1: because I think they've become the Evil Empire, just a
26:24
Speaker 1: more likable version, because it's hard to dislike some of
26:28
Speaker 1: the players on that team. Admittedly, I did get a
26:37
Speaker 1: little bit distracted in the chat the last couple of minutes.
26:41
Speaker 1: Somebody was off the rails and got time out. Anyway,
26:45
Speaker 1: bet MGF futures, n L Pennant, Phillies what oh? I
26:51
Speaker 1: just left Phillies at plus five hundred currently that is
26:56
Speaker 1: second best in the National League in terms of odds.
27:00
Speaker 1: What do we think, gentlemen.
27:06
Speaker 3: I don't see why not. I mean Phillies depending on
27:10
Speaker 3: what they do this offseason. But the Phillies is a
27:11
Speaker 3: pretty darn good team, you know, like Crassy mentioned, they
27:15
Speaker 3: took the defending back to back World Series champs to
27:19
Speaker 3: you know, a fourth game, and they were all really close.
27:21
Speaker 3: They just the bullpen kind of crumbled at the end.
27:24
Speaker 2: I don't think this number moves in the way of
27:26
Speaker 2: I don't think it goes down at all based on
27:29
Speaker 2: the moves that they make. I don't think the Phillies
27:31
Speaker 2: are going to be in on Kyle Tucker and Bregman
27:35
Speaker 2: and bring back Schwarbert. So I don't think this number
27:37
Speaker 2: moves based on where they have the Dodgers at. I
27:39
Speaker 2: think the Dodgers at like plus one sixty or plus
27:43
Speaker 2: one ninety, So I wait to see where where their
27:46
Speaker 2: off season goes. But if it's at plus five hundred
27:49
Speaker 2: to start the season, I'm taking it.
27:54
Speaker 1: I think the Dodgers would have beat them anyway, but
27:57
Speaker 1: it would have been nice to see a seven gamer.
28:00
Speaker 3: It is what it is, and what if they had
28:02
Speaker 3: a healthy What if they had a healthy Zach Wheeler? Though?
28:05
Speaker 3: Does that change anything for you too?
28:08
Speaker 2: Maybe in a seven game series, but not like not
28:11
Speaker 2: in that series, Like you could not have gotten more
28:13
Speaker 2: out of their starting pitching than what they did, like
28:15
Speaker 2: Aaron Nola gave them one time through the lineup piggybacked
28:19
Speaker 2: with Rangers Suarez, like they used the starting pitching to perfection.
28:25
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Speaker 1: about the Padres for a minute. Here they're hiring Randy
29:07
Speaker 1: Nor and Steven Susan junior as bench coach and hitting coach.
29:11
Speaker 1: This according to Dennis lenn who covers the Padres. He said,
29:14
Speaker 1: both of them spend time with Craig Stammon in the
29:17
Speaker 1: Nationals organization. So Stammond's bringing over some of his friends.
29:20
Speaker 1: Did either of you either spend time with Nor or
29:24
Speaker 1: play I mean against for sure SUSA, but not with.
29:29
Speaker 3: No. I never never crossed paths with him, just played
29:32
Speaker 3: against him. But I love the hire. I mean I
29:35
Speaker 3: saw some people talking about, like why would you want
29:37
Speaker 3: to learn hitting from Steven susan junior. Well, that guy
29:40
Speaker 3: he has way more bats in the big leagues than
29:41
Speaker 3: you whoever made that comment about him. Two, he's been
29:45
Speaker 3: in the box. And three, a lot of people when
29:47
Speaker 3: they get done playing, they spend their kind of second
29:51
Speaker 3: life trying to understand why wasn't I a better hitter?
29:54
Speaker 3: You know, I go through moments like that where I'm like, man,
29:58
Speaker 3: I wish I would have done this, this, this, and
30:00
Speaker 3: I go down the rabbit hole and I watch all
30:01
Speaker 3: these hitting videos and I'm like, man, you know, but
30:04
Speaker 3: you know, Steven SEUs is a guy who's been in
30:06
Speaker 3: the box, he played at the big leagues. He's better
30:09
Speaker 3: than one hundred percent of you people out there who
30:12
Speaker 3: are making these comments that saying why would you want
30:14
Speaker 3: to learn from him? And he's probably sent his second
30:16
Speaker 3: act of his life studying the art of hitting.
30:19
Speaker 1: Hey Over on Fangrafts, there was a late season conversation
30:22
Speaker 1: with Bubba Chandler posted and David Larela said, what have
30:26
Speaker 1: you learned since getting called up from Triple A. Bubba
30:29
Speaker 1: Chandler's answer quote, I don't want to say the game
30:32
Speaker 1: is harder, but it's definitely a lot more thinking. Pitch
30:35
Speaker 1: to pitch thinking goes into it. Something I've learned is
30:37
Speaker 1: that at each level you go up, the less and
30:39
Speaker 1: less mistakes you can make up. Here, I've made a
30:41
Speaker 1: couple of mistake pitches that were hit pretty hard, where
30:44
Speaker 1: as in Triple A they might have gotten fouled off.
30:46
Speaker 1: So it's kind of how many mistakes can I limit
30:48
Speaker 1: myself to in a game. They're going to happen, but
30:50
Speaker 1: when are they going to happen. Are they going to
30:51
Speaker 1: happen with Kais on base? Are they going to happen
30:53
Speaker 1: with no one on base? Stuff like that. This is
30:55
Speaker 1: one of the best pitching prospects in the game who
30:58
Speaker 1: came up late in the season for Pittsburgh. They dumbly
31:00
Speaker 1: had him as a reliever for a starter to or
31:03
Speaker 1: for an appearance or two, and then decided to be
31:05
Speaker 1: like everyone else. But crats are thoughts.
31:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, every level presents its challenges, and to me, maybe
31:14
Speaker 2: kp things differently, but there's no bigger a jump than
31:18
Speaker 2: facing Triple A whatever Triple A hitters facing Triple A
31:23
Speaker 2: pictures or Triple A pictures facing Triple A hitters to
31:27
Speaker 2: big leagues, And it is really just the amount of
31:30
Speaker 2: mistakes you get away with the fact that they don't
31:33
Speaker 2: chase as far out of the zone and the fact
31:36
Speaker 2: that you have to be able to get outs in
31:38
Speaker 2: the zone. So I love that he said it. I
31:40
Speaker 2: hate that the Pirates put him in the situation they
31:42
Speaker 2: did when they called him up. That was so brutal.
31:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, a J and Krats were freaking out KP when
31:48
Speaker 1: we saw that.
31:51
Speaker 3: No, he's stating the obvious. I mean, it's nice. It's
31:54
Speaker 3: refreshing to hear someone pretend like the game isn't hard,
31:57
Speaker 3: because the game is really hard. And like Kratzy said,
31:59
Speaker 3: every love you go up, the game offers different challenges.
32:02
Speaker 3: The game gets even more difficult the players get better.
32:05
Speaker 3: The amount of mistakes that you get away with from
32:07
Speaker 3: a pitcher become less, the amount of mistakes you see
32:11
Speaker 3: as a hitter become less frequent. The ones that survive
32:14
Speaker 3: this game are the ones that are able to not
32:17
Speaker 3: miss those mistakes as a hitter and the ones that
32:19
Speaker 3: are able to kind of eliminate those mistakes from a
32:21
Speaker 3: pitching standpoint. The only argument I'd make the Crats is
32:24
Speaker 3: I think the biggest adjustment I ever had to make
32:26
Speaker 3: was going from D two Bowl to professional baseball and
32:29
Speaker 3: you probably had a similar experience. That was the biggest
32:31
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32:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, D three to facing a Latin number three prospect
32:39
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32:43
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Speaker 1: and I think very important as well for some fans
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Speaker 1: that looked quickly at his initial post, he is not retiring.
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Speaker 1: When you post an image of yourself and thank you fans,
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Speaker 1: Is he?
35:42
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35:44
Speaker 3: And it wouldn't surprise me if this was by design
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Speaker 3: to get just the most insane reactions and engagement on
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Speaker 3: you know, whatever social platforms he posted this on.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I might even use producers ladies' words. He
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Speaker 2: maybe show Hey knows what he's doing. Everybody, you know,
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Speaker 2: show he doesn't necessarily know, like, oh I didn't know
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Speaker 2: all the other stuff that was going on, And there's
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Speaker 2: a little bit of it's like, oh, maybe he's naive,
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Speaker 2: and so we don't think he actually trolls people. But
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Speaker 2: producer Lady pointed out that he kissed his dog when
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Speaker 2: he won the MVP and not his wife who was
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Speaker 2: sitting right next to him. He trolled. He trolled uh
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Speaker 2: Lordy Scouriel and after the home run when Lordi's put
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Speaker 2: his hands up like he did the exact troll. And
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Speaker 2: maybe right now he's trolling fans like him. Maybe him
36:38
Speaker 2: and Tayo were like sitting back and he's like, you
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Speaker 2: know what, Tayo, I've seen retirement posts. I'm gonna make
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Speaker 2: it look like I'm retiring and see see if the
36:48
Speaker 2: fans like he might like some sarcastic humor. So just
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Speaker 2: makes more it makes it makes show Hay more endearing
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 1: I agree, we love a little show Hey personality. So
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Speaker 1: if he was behind this, then I stand corrected, and
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Speaker 1: I thank you Show Hey for bringing us a little
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Speaker 1: spiciness to content that's usually pretty run of the mill.
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Speaker 1: We know that you love your country and you love competition,
37:12
Speaker 1: and that he was going to be participating in the
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Speaker 1: World Baseball Classic, so we got it with a little
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Speaker 1: extra sauce to it. Okay, will shoe Otani be playing
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Speaker 1: with Tatsuya Ami, who I think is the top free
37:24
Speaker 1: agent available coming over from Japan this offseason? Dice k
37:28
Speaker 1: Mount Suzaka asked him whether he wants to join a
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Speaker 1: team like the Dodgers that can win the World Series
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Speaker 1: or a team that tries to beat them. The reply
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Speaker 1: from AMAI quote, I want to beat them, if I'm
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Speaker 1: being honest, Hey, let's go more from amay on wanting
37:42
Speaker 1: to beat the Dodgers and sign elsewhere. Of course, playing
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Speaker 1: together with Atana Yamamoto and Rokie Suzaki sounds like it
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Speaker 1: could be fun. But winning the World Series by defeating
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Speaker 1: a team like that is something I feel would truly
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Speaker 1: have value in my life. The Ultimate Underdog story starring
37:57
Speaker 1: Tatsuya am I and I actually know I Seacrats picking
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Speaker 1: up his phone right now, and I know what the
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Speaker 1: call is KPE, So I'm not going to answer, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend I promise you didn't script this.
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Speaker 1: I think that this is Tatsuya My's agent calling Tatsuya
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Speaker 1: and saying don't do that. Right now, you're kind of
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Speaker 1: ruling out a team. No, okay, are fine? I'll pick
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Speaker 1: it up. Hello, it's.
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Speaker 2: This is Buster Posey. Could I speak to Tatsu.
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Speaker 1: My what's good? It's in my best hairstyle in the game,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not even in the game yet.
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Speaker 2: We hate the Dodgers too, so an offer will be
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Speaker 2: coming over shortly.
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Speaker 1: Okay, just make it, make it really nice, make it,
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Speaker 1: make it, you know, full of money. Because my agent
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Speaker 1: thinks that I'm kind of hurting my leverage with the Dodgers.
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Speaker 1: Can you do that for me? Buster, no messing around?
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Speaker 1: Oh heait, hold on, I'm gonna make this a three
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Speaker 1: way call.
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Speaker 3: Hey, this is Andrew Friedman. Whatever Buster is offering, we
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Speaker 3: have more, Mike.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Andrew, you lost Andrew Buster? Are you still there?
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that?
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Speaker 2: I heard it? But you've been spending for years and
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Speaker 2: my previous GM didn't go past one year with anybody.
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Speaker 2: So I have a ton of money in the chest
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Speaker 2: and the ownership loves me. I control this city. We'll
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Speaker 2: take aim I thank you.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I want to see Tony Vaitello with
39:24
Speaker 1: his intensity run through either a glass or brick wall.
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Speaker 1: If you send me that video plus match the offer
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Speaker 1: from Friedman, I'm in Okay.
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Speaker 2: Uh, buster hung up. He already said his last.
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Speaker 1: Bit done, beauty.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I just tell you what needs to be
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Speaker 3: said and that's it. You make the choice. Hey.
39:47
Speaker 1: Brittany Gieroli put an article out that the Marlins and
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Speaker 1: Kyle Sowers had extension talks earlier this offseason, but that
39:53
Speaker 1: the two sides were far apart. I read it, the
39:56
Speaker 1: Marlins are thinking more along the lines of the Saddan
39:58
Speaker 1: Rafaela eight year, fift fifty million. Of course, keeping in mind,
40:01
Speaker 1: Rafaela didn't even have fifty days of service timest hours
40:05
Speaker 1: definitely is way past that and was a four win
40:07
Speaker 1: player for the Marlins this year twenty five homers. Oblique
40:11
Speaker 1: strain ended, you know, his season about a month and
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Speaker 1: change early, but his camp is thinking more along the
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Speaker 1: lines of one hundred million dollars we can show. I
40:19
Speaker 1: think we have one other tweet to show what one
40:22
Speaker 1: MLB executive Burner account put out there. He said, projecting,
40:26
Speaker 1: you know, some ARB seasons in the three years of
40:28
Speaker 1: free agency thirty two to thirty Forks, he's older already
40:32
Speaker 1: seven years, eighty seven million, So the burner said, even
40:36
Speaker 1: with aggressive our projections, camp asking for one hundred is aggressive,
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Speaker 1: eighty more logical. Actually, okay, Kratz fifty to one hundred.
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Speaker 1: The middle is seventy five eighty good done.
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Speaker 2: No, this is this is this guy's what he what
40:53
Speaker 2: the adjustments he made playing every day in the big leagues.
40:56
Speaker 2: I think he puts up another three and a half
40:59
Speaker 2: war season. To me, I think I think that number.
41:03
Speaker 2: I think that number grows. I would say, I would
41:06
Speaker 2: say seventy five is too low. I think he's in
41:09
Speaker 2: the eighty seven to ninety range. And I know the
41:12
Speaker 2: projections are not on there, but look, maybe all Star team,
41:17
Speaker 2: he doesn't get hurt. All those numbers were only going
41:19
Speaker 2: to be higher. I think he had a nine to
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Speaker 2: twelve ops, So I say a little higher. I'm glad
41:25
Speaker 2: he's I'm glad he's holding now one hundreds. Probably too much,
41:27
Speaker 2: but hey, you know what, shoot for the stars. He
41:30
Speaker 2: hit the moon.
41:31
Speaker 1: The Orioles weren't even finding a spot for HMKP. So
41:34
Speaker 1: maybe I'm playing it a little bit safer here. But
41:36
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, if you think you're worth ninety to
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Speaker 1: one hundred and you can get them to this seventy
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Speaker 1: to eighty range, I would go for it.
41:45
Speaker 3: I take your money. We can get your money. This
41:47
Speaker 3: game's hard. You know, we were just on with you know,
41:49
Speaker 3: one of the best to do it defensively. I thought
41:52
Speaker 3: I was pretty good too. Year to year, so much changes.
41:55
Speaker 3: This game's incredibly difficult. The difference between making seventy and
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Speaker 3: maybe eighty five million is not really going to change
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Speaker 3: your life. Go get your money when you can in
42:03
Speaker 3: this game, because you're always one real injury away from
42:06
Speaker 3: not making a lot of money in this game. You know,
42:10
Speaker 3: I was never in that position. But this game's really hard,
42:12
Speaker 3: so you know, maybe they find some middle ground there.
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Speaker 1: Have Again. On Wednesday, right before we get to the
42:30
Speaker 1: big holiday break, KP will be on, Kratz will be on.
42:34
Speaker 1: I'll be with you. We've got a big show planned.
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Speaker 1: Krats ats. What do you got a little read today?
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Speaker 2: Hopefully, hopefully these guys, because we had Ruben on, Hopefully
42:45
Speaker 2: we can get these guys, you know, jumping into the
42:48
Speaker 2: market here. I really feel like JT Realmuto will be
42:51
Speaker 2: the first of all those of those like big time
42:54
Speaker 2: guys that we talked about with the Phillies that will sign.
42:56
Speaker 2: And I agree with Ruben, I think JT signs back.
42:59
Speaker 2: I don't think they can, and I don't think they
43:01
Speaker 2: can go without a starting pitcher on a world series content.
43:03
Speaker 2: I mean starting catcher on a world series contending too.
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Speaker 1: Last words on the way out. For those of you
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Speaker 1: watching on TV, I'll remind you again tomorrow. Tomorrow is
43:12
Speaker 1: your last chance on the current TV channels that you're
43:15
Speaker 1: watching to see us. Otherwise, you can catch us for free, YouTube, podcast, etc.
43:20
Speaker 1: Like we always do. And we'll have more announcements soon
43:23
Speaker 1: on future TV streaming plans. We'll see everyone for a
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Speaker 1: live show on Wednesday.
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Speaker 2: Everybody's got YouTube, turn it on.