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Speaker 1: Every single thing that I read from someone now, it's like, well, if I wanted to know chat GPT's version of your thought process, not even because chat, what chat GPT is telling you to think. Yeah. I don't know. Like it's just becoming, everyone's reading the same way. Everyone's talking the same way. And I guess that's the point of our conversation is like we have. Kait Tregenza: evolution. I am so excited about this conversation with Joanna. As always, there are prepared concepts of the conversation and today we're going to be investigating what becomes possible when you stop living your truth as a concept and start responding to it as something that's already speaking. Let's welcome Joanna. xx.com Speaker 1: an AI inside of us? Why? Why don't people know how to use it? And what happens if they do? Amazing. Well, hi Joanna. ⁓ I am excited about this conversation you know, in our conversations prior to planning it, we really came down to this central question of what becomes possible when you stop living your truth as a concept and actually start responding to it as something that's already alive, that's already speaking, that's already yours. And this is what I call a biotechnology system. This is the biointelligence of humanity. And you have dedicated your life to really understanding non-physical, non-visual energy. intelligence, capacities, talents beyond what the average person can tap into. And I really, really want people to start to understand they don't need AI. already have. AI is the inferior version of what they already have access to. Yes. Thank you. Thank you so much. I'm very happy to be here and I'm excited about our conversation and and your questions. Yeah. So let's get into it. I understand that you had sort of been born with these gifts, but they went on a developmental path like anyone that has any innate talent, right? You don't wake up as, know, Hussein Bolt without ever running a track. So tell us a little bit about your personal journey of really not only understanding that you have these innate abilities, which, by the way, just for, I guess, my disclosure, I believe that everybody has these innate abilities and it's just the ability for us to tap into them, to work them, to develop them, to hone these skills. What was that pathway like for you, just to give some context and some history? Of course. Thank you. I do believe as well, like you, that everyone has, everyone has natural healing and psychic abilities. Everyone has an intuition. Everyone is able to tap into it. And then it just depends on the personal story of everyone, the personal sensitivity and empathy of everyone. It's as long as I can remember really from a young age and in my childhood, I was already very sensitive to energies, to people around me, to situations and I remember that I could feel energies of spirits, people who have passed away from a young age as well, but I didn't think nothing about it. And it was making me feel more uncomfortable than anything and fearful as well. When we don't really know about a topic or we don't really know about something, fear comes. ⁓ So just life went by with this. And every time I was having an intuition or a knowing or a message, it's really something that I was putting on the side. And I didn't really want to be connected to. But it's funny because really life brings you to situations that at some point you have to face. what's happening within you and you were talking about the truth and ⁓ you have two choices. It's either you continuing ignoring it or you acknowledge it and then therefore you decide as well consciously either to ignore it or ⁓ having a look at it and develop it. And so to me, it didn't happen all at once. It's little experiences and situations that led me to one day saying, And I remember I had a friend telling me, how can I say that? It's a very quick example, but really the day where I felt like I can't ignore that, there are different situations. Once I connected with someone who had passed away, even not knowing that I was doing this, but then when I talked to the person in front of me about what I experienced and the person that passed away, the person in front of me recognized very clearly who I was connected to. And it was the first time. And the joy, the immense and conditional love that this person in front of me felt by connecting to their loved one who had passed away, that's where I told myself, this is it. I can't have this ability and be able to provide this to the person in front, to the spirits. who passed away who wanted to pass a message and to me as well because a medium is just someone who pass on a message. That's it. However, when you get that message from someone who have passed away and you deliver it, you feel that unconditional love. You feel that you're very, very connected. so, yeah, for everyone, I was like, I want to continue. I really want to. And then there's another experience where I... I was feeling uncomfortable in a place in Australia, especially in Australia, where everything started to begin very strongly. It's a strong land in terms of energies, Australia, right? And so I remember I was in this place that I did rent and there were too many, you know, I would say paranormal activity and at that time, my partner who's someone who is very connected but quite skeptical, you know. Okay. Yeah. And so many things had happened in that place that were really strange that at some point he was like, okay, there is definitely something going on. And Joanna is not becoming crazy. I remember. Yeah, crazy. And I remember I had a chat with a friend who's a medium. And at that time, I wasn't, didn't know. And she told me, well, it's here, it's in your space. So it's either you ignore it or either you address. And that stayed with me, as if you're facing a life choice. So either you ignore what's within you and what you can do with it, or either you go with it and you explore. And it's here already. And even though you want to ignore it, never kind of like goes away. If it's one of the things that you need to do in your life, like everything, it will keep coming back and keep coming back. a long answer to your question, but that's how I started to explore more and more disabilities. Prior to really working in this space, what were you doing for work? What was the way that you made money? Yeah. Oof, I was very versatile. I was a journalist. a radio journalist in Australia, then I became a ceramicist. And before all of this, I was working in fashion business. So, yeah. This is quite a journey for you. And I'm curious how, how many people stayed with you as you transitioned into this style of work that you're doing now? A lot, actually. very lucky to have an amazing family, amazing friends. However, I remember, and I have to say, of course, just like that, talking about journalism and ceramics and so on, it doesn't make really much sense. But actually, The work in journalism that I was doing really helped me in terms of like communicating, choosing the right words, you know, during sessions, being able to communicate clearly during sessions and during the work and doing the research as well, because I understand that we can be skeptical and I want as well like to understand what's happening within our abilities and how we can connect and so on. So that really helped me in doing that work. And then I was doing ceramics, sorry, ceramics, but It was ceramics that were channeled with ⁓ energy healing. And the purpose of these ceramics were that people could use those ceramics and it was objects for rituals. So incense holders, ⁓ bowls for like smudging and so on. So it had this kind of like spiritual purpose already. ⁓ But however, I was channeling energy within an object. Whereas right now I'm channeling energies to people directly. ⁓ And I remember that when I started the ceramics, was putting crystals and so on and talking about spirituality. And I remember a few people that loved that, that thought it was like, you know, woo, woo, or ridiculous or whatever. Today, those people are calling me for sessions. I think that's really if I have an advice and if I can say something because if, you know, just If you're sure about something, especially when you start something, just like go for it and never be influenced by whoever thinks whatever about what you're doing or about your work. Because one day they will call you, you know, really it's about like, yeah, trusting what you can do. So. As you stand here in this moment, you look back on the journey. What was the thing that you always knew about yourself? that was always true and that now you're just like, yeah, I'm going to be that. I'm just going to allow that to be my life. that maybe previously you were a bit hesitant or scared of or something, but you always knew it was true. That's a good question. ⁓ Maybe the fact that I was different. ⁓ I explained myself very quickly. I always wanted to do very different things. I went from fashion business to journalism to ceramics, to ceramicists, now to like, tech medium. I used to like, do hobbies that were completely, you know, out of what my circle of friends or family would think, you know, I... when I was doing a hobby, went to Irish dancing. When I was traveling, I went to the Samoa. So in Australia, it's not, I mean, it is exotic, it's next to Australia. When you're in France, in my family or my friends, no one went to the Samoa Island. So it was always, I always have been seen like someone a little bit like eccentric. ⁓ And at some point I felt a little bit ashamed of this. And I thought, you know, maybe it's... something that I should just like not show anymore or not doing this because I'm afraid again of like what people are going to say about what I'm doing and so on. But I think that just like today something that I know is that it's not just to attract attention or wanting to be different. It's just who I am. I'm going like in every places and that's just me and that's like this. think I will never be like in a kind of like a square, even though it's not negative what I'm saying is just like, yeah. And do you have an understanding of why you need to move around the world? You work with guides and, let's say, portals of greater understanding. Have you yourself understood why you need to move? There is something that I understood through all those different experiences is that, you know, in many of my ⁓ sessions that I'm doing with ⁓ patients, I understand that ⁓ there are many situations that I have lived already, even though I never put my thought, neither my advice. It's always ⁓ something that I channeled. But ⁓ living, ⁓ living situations that can be similar to the people I work with, bring that understanding and compassion. Therefore, there's never, never any judgment because it's something somehow at some point that I understand, even though I haven't lived everything, but yeah. So that's what I understood. And what does that give you in return? Cause you're obviously doing the session for the clients, they come, they get whatever healing or answers they were seeking and they go away and they do that within their life. What's about you? You do all of these sessions with all of these different people. What is the information that you've put together after all of it that helps you to understand this world a little bit more differently than others? ⁓ At a personal level, there's always a message for me, every session at some point, to feel that there is something that I'm learning in every session. Even though I'm doing this for years and years, I keep learning and receiving for myself and my personal life. And then something that I understood from all the sessions is that really and truly ⁓ we are very much all connected, very, very, very much all connected. And ⁓ that even though we can have very different experiences in the details, we more or less leave the same emotions, the same things, the more or less very similar situations, and that we're all connected. How does that change how you live personally? It really has brought me something that changed a lot ⁓ from before. It's like, thanks to the sessions, thanks to all this work connecting to ⁓ all these people, amazing people, it brings your step by step more aware, more conscious about the others, putting yourself in the shoes of others, having this compassion for others. I do believe that You know, everyone has, we live in a world where it's very much we're in our own bubble. The ego is very present and it's normal, we are human. But we can be very much individual and live individually. You know, we're talking about this a little bit before. And sometimes, and yeah, it requires an effort to put ourselves sometimes in other people's in other people's experience, how do they feel? And especially it's hard when we feel something that might not be or that can be the opposite of the person that we have in front. But ⁓ compassion and having the perspective from the other person that has taught me, having this consciousness, being mindful of how I speak, before I speak. how I did in decision making and so on. It's not only me, I understood as well through all this work that every conversation, every decision making, everything will have an impact at some point, either on some points, either around me as well. You can't feel and practice the muscle of compassion for others without then turning that back onto yourself as well. And so you would live with an enormous amount of self-compassion, self-forgiveness, patience. Well, that's, yes, that's what I'm trying to. But I have to say that sometimes it's really easier to do all that for others and very complicated for ourselves, have to say. I'm someone who's quite hard on myself. Well, my mom is telling me all the time and many of my best friends as well are telling me that I can be a little bit too hard on myself. That's my work. And that's interesting, you know, being very compassionate or forgiving with others, but quite hard on ourselves. But that's my journey. That's my thing to, you know, but I have to do this work and it's complicated. But it's necessary to find peace, you know. I understand that. do. I do. I do. I do. I think everyone who listens to this podcast is going to understand that. To have the ability, particularly as a woman, to translocate yourself from your life into somebody else's life, from your eyes into somebody else's lives, and see them. through a different lens, through a more compassionate lens, through an empathetic lens. I call this the eyes of the mother. And I think truly that part of the reason that we have so much, ⁓ let's just call it discord for lack of, you know, I don't want to get into the politics of the world, but there's discord in the world because there's so much capacity. to stand up for self, to defend self, to live as self. And yet what is the most common trait of mothers is to see their children through ever loving eyes. To say, Tommy hits because there's all this background information that the other children don't know. And instead of punishing Tommy, I'm going to approach him with loving kindness. We're going to talk about that. We're going to heal the background issues. And we're not solving violence at the apex, we're solving what led to the violence behind the scenes. And that is the role of mother. And when you have a lack of mothering compassion, true unconditional mother's love, and that comes from a disconnection to the ultimate mother, mother nature, the earth, our own individual mothers, it becomes slums a very normalized thing to point blame and to cast, you know, sinner and sin. And I think that's what's really fascinating is that you seem like you are in one aspect of that healing journey for, you know, a global universal healing of we can have compassion for others. can see things through the eyes. of anybody else and know that it is a story that we lived at any other point in history. Because once you collapse time into it is all now and we are all living our our own version of a universal truth. It's very impossible not to see another as going through the motions that you yourself are going through. And yet how many women I speak to who have this capacity then still struggle to gift that to themselves, gift that compassion of going, I too am just going through the journey of what is it to be human. And I think when you have these extra, I don't want to say extra gifts, but these more developed capacities to see ⁓ universal trends or how humanity is playing out. It's almost like you feel you need to be better. You need to set this example. And so if you have this human moment, well, why would anyone come and pay you for the thing that you can't even yet do yourself? I think it's a very, complex ⁓ set of ⁓ competing forces when you have these gifts and you help other people to ⁓ find answers, to find solutions, to find solace, to find healing, to find peace. There's this assumption, false assumption that you need to have it all together. That the shamans in the village, they're already healed, they're already perfect, they're already touching nirvana. They're still human. We're all still human. Absolutely. And I do agree with you, you know. I was running a program called Remember, helping an intimate group of people ⁓ develop and learn how to use their ⁓ abilities. Can you stand up? No, go on, stand up, please. I'm in the middle. She does. Go. Sorry. That's all right. I'll go again. She's super cute. No, I agree. I agree. So I was running this program called the Remember Program to an Intimate Group of People ⁓ five times. And they're absolutely amazing. They were absolutely amazing. And this program was about developing and learning how to use our psychic healing mediumship abilities ⁓ very to the depth of it. And I remember that one of the main concerns within those people were like, but am I legitimate to do it? Because I still feel am I legitimate to, you like, can I do this if I'm like not healed? You don't need to be completely healed to heal others. It's not about, you know, it's not about you have mediums in France. that are like smoking like cigarettes on cigarettes and still they can connect to like the spirit world. You have people that's, you know, are energy healing practitioner yet they still go like for a night out and, you know, have a drink and just like enjoy life. The most important thing, of course, of course, if you work professionally in this, there is ⁓ a hygiene of life to have, you know, and certain like ethics. It's like a I don't know, know, like a lung cancer, like a lung cancer professional doctor, like smoking a pack a day, you know, at some point there is maybe something that, you don't, no judgment, but whatever, you know, but we are humans. That's very important. And something as well that is very important is that the biggest experience that you will have and what you're asked for is to be humans. The human experience. actually the one that is going to elevate you. If you're up there spiritually speaking, meditating all the time and having those like rituals where you're out of the earth, or the earth plane, well, that's not the experience, that's not why you're on earth. You're here to experience humanity, but with the ego as well. And it's okay, you know, I mean, again, as you said, we're humans, and we're going through our shadow side, light side. And sometimes, yes, a healer, a psychic, a medium or any like, people or practitioners working within that field, will have to go. They have to go through their own depth at some points. And that reveals a whole type of maybe different behaviors that, yes, maybe doesn't go hand in hand with what they're doing, but that's why they could pose, but that's where you learn the most into the human experience. So it's very cliche as well to feel that or to believe. Even though, again, no judgment about this and anyone's free to believe what they want, but then it's part of limited belief, but very cliche to believe that a healer should be like this and like that and wear white linen and be barefoot all day long. I mean, it's not one rule and one protocol. I feel like we live in a world. that is very structured into limited beliefs, into things like things should be like this and things should be like that, very judgmental in a way. And yes, judgment can be good sometimes to know what's good to do and what's not. But let's be open-minded and open-hearted, if I can say. don't know if we can say that in English. But that's very important to understand that, as you said, someone who is working within that field is not always and will be at some point finding their own balance. But before that, there are times in life where it's just, it goes in waves, you know? But I feel like the consistency and the discipline within the work and what you offer, that's what's the most important. And you were talking about the mother love. and about not understanding why someone is angry, but blaming straight away that this person shouldn't be angry, for example, or shouldn't do this or shouldn't do that. I feel that sometimes, of course, not everyone, but it's about unconditional love. We have condition. I will see a healer if this healer is like this, or I will do this if there is condition, a lot of condition. I will do this if I will go out with that person, if I will. And of course, it's good to have boundaries, which is very different from also those conditions. But ⁓ most of the time, what I can see as well is that people react with their ego. And when I say people, of course, it's not everyone. But if it touches you listening this, maybe it's something that's maybe worth working on. It's a positive thing, but I can't see a lot of people trying to, so blaming someone for a behavior or a way of being, but not understanding why they're doing this. Why? Why is this happening like this? Why is that person doing this? Why this is, you know, it's like the wise. Why? Because it's hard, because it requires, you know, emotional maturity, and because it requires as well to go within ourselves and wanting as well to understand why, because it can be challenging as well. Everyone kind of like mirror as well, everyone, you know. So it is said that when something triggers you, it's something as well that you have within you, you know, or that needs to come out or that because if it's something that doesn't, if something happens, but you don't give credit or power to an emotion or something, or it's not something that you feel it's important, then you don't care, you know, you don't, doesn't touch your ego. So when it does touch the ego, why, you know, and so it's that also self work that is needed. And so that's where people may kind of like stuff and I do. And I understand why, because then it's a journey, but it's a journey to peace, alignment, compassion, unconditional love, and so on. When you ask why something is hurting me, a lot of the time you don't know that The journey is going to be messy. The journey is going to unravel your life. The journey is going to... And when you're living in a patriarchal, consumerist capitalist world where there is this very clear image of what a successful life looks like, The discovery of the depths of you doesn't align to that image. Never aligns to that image of having everything perfect in the little boxes in its little place, ⁓ working on repeatedly the same day, day in and day out. You have your structure of Monday to Friday and your weekends and your things that you do and the things that you buy and the things that you are. I don't think that the majority of listeners to this podcast are aligning to that kind of life. But I think what it can do is breed such wrongness, such defeat, such images of failure in comparison to this very strong image. version of what should be. That is the power of Hollywood. That is the power of movies, of TV shows. If you are continually shown this is what it should be and you don't align to that, there's something neurologically at least happening in the brain, if not in the body. to show and to feel the chasm between that image of what should be and the image of what your life is. And I mean, there are so many people who are seeking out truth, who are seeking out authenticity, who have to leave those structures and the leaving of them means that they end up a lot of the time alone or unsupported. There's no like community bus stop to go to, you know, like you, we're all working this out by ourselves as we go. Everybody's sick in community, but we're still finding it a lot of the time. And that's the, that's the background of trying to do what you just suggested we do. How do you help your clients navigate that? So you're helping them to navigate a journey back into truth, back into a greater authentic self, unlocking their powers, unlocking who they are, dropping into self in such an authentic, true way, unlocking their gifts, connecting to the humanity of Earth, connecting to the human experience. And then also what happens is a huge fallout often, not for everyone, but it's very common, right? because you've left the ⁓ tick the box cookie cutter. mutually agreed upon version of success that has been fed to us socially, economically, politically. It's not as simple as go find your truth. ⁓ How do you personally help in that navigation? I have to say that many people, many, many, well, and I'm talking about the people that I'm seeing or that I'm trying to help, but I have to say that the work is theirs and they're helping themselves very much. I'm here to, they need anything, but since I went professional, I've done, cannot even count how many sessions I've done. ⁓ Everyone, there is something that I felt is that there are a lot of people that are already very much awakened. I don't know if that's, or like remembering. And there are a lot of people being clear about what's happening. I've seen the past two years, so many people being you know, in that box or in these boxes that we're talking about or in these lives that are changing completely. And this is and I'm having goosebumps. It's It's crazy. Like the last 10, 20 years is like you're trying to convince people of something or you're just trying to like convince yourself or like whatever it may be. Like you're like, I think this is right. I can feel it. I know it. Nobody's like nobody supports me. Everyone's calling this the last two years. People that you would never suspect are calling you up or coming back to you and speaking your language. you're like, I felt something happened two years ago, but now everybody's on this tip. They've tipped over. It's crazy. So crazy. It's It's amazing. Really. And I really do believe that in terms of mental, emotional, and spiritual intelligence, there are so many people that are now aware. The only thing is like, once you're aware, you can't go back. So that's where I'm here and I'm like, if you need anything. it's people are helping themselves. The work that they are doing or there is it's thanks to them. I'm just here to even saying to guide it a little bit. I'm saying it with a lot of humility when I say that, you know, because it's really not, it's not thanks to me or thanks to absolute, it's thanks to them. Because it requires courage as well to say, OK, I'm going to what they think the great unknown meant. Just they know already it's all about remembering. But it requires courage to just let behind limited beliefs or limit or beliefs that we're reassuring, but that were not their truth and so on. And sometimes like a life or or belief system or an identity and to jump into like, what am I going to be? But just you, yourself, in truth, you're just going to remember that. When I say just, it's a lot because it's willful. But I have to say that even though it requires work and it's a journey and so on, which, you know, tend to like make people feel a little bit scared, there is nothing negative. And even on the challenging part, it's all around perspective. It's how you are going to welcome, of course, at different levels. But It's amazing. Once you go in this, everything aligns. When you tell the universe, which is like you, by the way, because it's all connected, the universe, it's also you. That's how we can also manifest, manipulate energy, because we have this really power. When you tell yourself, I'm ready, then let's go, and everything opens very much. Not sometimes the way that you want. So that's where the door comes back. But it's really happening the way it should be. crazy. Yes, it's a transformation because it's like, you know, we have an image in energy healing. It's like an onion that you're peeling. Okay. And so, and, ⁓ and everyone's doing that work. And so during the peeling process, that's where, you know, you're like, your skin is like very sore because, but when it's done, it's done. And then you don't come back and your truth. do believe. So I want to take the conversation where you let it into the more positive, more interesting, more fun, you know, ⁓ aspect of this. So working ultimately to find out who you are, the core of you. And then what's your experience about what happens after that? So I do believe that you will always discover some aspects of you. it's like, it's very, even though it feels like, ⁓ it's like a never ending process, but it's very positive because there's endless possibilities of who you are and who you can be very much. Once you live in, you know, things that like you believe because when we say in your truth is like not wearing a mask anymore and just showing all parts of yourself, the good ones and the ones that can just disturb, you know, as well or that can, you know, the light and the shadow and, know, like you show everything without ⁓ without condition, you're free to me, brought freedom and some, you know, it's it's I'm still navigating through all of this and adjusting myself. And really this past year, well, know, in numerology, was a universal year number nine, 2025. In my sessions was a very challenging year for many people. It's been challenging for a couple of years, but 2025 was quite rough at an emotionally and spiritually speaking level. But it really gives freedom because then therefore you feel legitimate about who you are, whatever you're showing. When we wear a mask or when we hide truly who we are, either to ourselves or to others, I do believe that therefore we live in sort of a blocking energy that doesn't allow us to do what we want, be what we want. And ultimately, it's where, you know, at the end of our life, we just like look back and we're like, I should have done this, I would have to have done that, or you know what I mean? So freedom would be keyword to discovering who you are. Yeah. When you found a block, because I think My experience has been you get rid of all of these things that are really obvious, really like anybody could name them, and then you come into the really subtle, really nuanced, really micro stuff. ⁓ How do you work with your I don't know, your full set of skills, you do a particular kind of energy healing, plus you also have your own nuance on everything that you do. When you're doing this kind of discovery work at the nuance, at the micro, at the like, there's a P under the mattress, but I can't quite work out what it is. Like, I'm really curious how other people, I guess not only discover, like, and pinpoint what that like little niggle is. And sometimes it can be a huge block that you didn't even know that you've been living with. And sometimes it's this tiny little thing that it's like, just pull out that thread and it's gone. So it doesn't really matter about the size, but it's more about the nuance or the tiny little things that niggle at you. How do you go about discovering naming them and releasing them? I do believe that if there's anything that kind of like, so I use the word and we use the word blocking, you know, energy never is really blocked in a way. Everything is always in constant movement, but let's use the word block. So we understand what we're talking about, but I really do believe that life will show you first and foremost, what blocks you first. It will show you with what everyone has, which means like, does it feel right or does it feel wrong? How do I feel? your intuition and your emotions. That's first thing. That's really the first thing. How do you feel about your career? How do you feel about your relationship? How do you feel about yourself? How do you feel about your life? And so on. That's where you don't feel fulfilled or you don't feel... And that's not necessarily because, let's say, for example, within your relationship, it's because it's unnecessarily because you're with the wrong person, because suddenly... And that's what we're talking about. Suddenly people will feel, because he might be or she not... She might not be the one, but maybe it's you. Maybe it's you that has something to check. You know, maybe. Yeah, that's the thing. ⁓ being gentle with ourselves and of course, how do I, you know, if I can give a sort of an advice when someone start feeling uncomfortable, you know, whether mentally, emotionally or physically about any topics or anything that kind of like block them. ⁓ Don't force. Just, you know, use anything either. It's, you know, I mean, we're talking a lot of like those practices on Instagram and so much sometimes that people are like seeing that saving the post and then they don't do it for like they do it one week and then that's it. But journaling, meditating, really. Meditation is the door to connecting to the spirit world, to your intuition, to your higher self and so on. I really journaling as well. It's really Why? Because when something happens to you at any level, you're very involved into it. And so therefore, it's hard to have some clarity where it's coming from. Why? no, Plus, you have stress, fear, and anxiety. So finding a way to be able to have an answer or to have a look from another perspective than your ego and your fears and your emotions is through either putting those thoughts, those emotions on paper and so looking at them from another perspective or through meditation or and you will have the answer. Life shows you everything is being shown around. It's about like how to see, how to understand, you know, without being paranoid, like, ⁓ I see a bird. It's a sign. It might be actually, but life shows you not only through visual signs, but through conversation as well. something that my mom told me, ⁓ very important to listen to others. Most of the time, and me as well, we don't necessarily listen to others during a conversation. We keep thinking about what we are going to answer or our own story. For example, and it's crazy, have a look on Facebook when there's a story or there's an article, everyone on the comments is not talking about the article, but about their own experience. Everyone talk about themselves, never about like their story, but about themselves. And people love talking about themselves. including me, everyone, it's normal. It's like this. It's, you know, we, we, talk a lot about ourselves and it's like this. But when you listen to others, you will see that you have a lot of your answers in other people's conversation, experiences, and you so through many signs, life shows you very much. You are your own compass. Intuition is a compass. Emotions are a compass. But when your emotions are unclear, because your ego is on the way, then trust your intuition. And when your intuition, you feel it is unclear because your emotions are on the way. And therefore, do some little practices that will help you through journaling, meditation, and so on. And then, of course, you can go and see. someone who can help you such as an energy healing practitioner or any other practitioner that can of course help you understanding what's happening. Hmm. And how do you take that then and start creating the life that you want to be living? Like, how do you live your truest desires? by listening to what you get from the signs, what to do, and so on. For example, I have so many in sessions. When you feel that you're not being fulfilled or happy or that your career is not bringing you what you want and that you feel uncomfortable and so on, you have two choices. It's either you stay Either you go and, you know, and it's depending if you follow your intuition and that your intuition is telling you like, look, I'm not feeling well, it's time for a change and so on. But the ego is like, no, you have a financial situation that needs to, you know, like be taken care of. You can't like leave a job like this and so on. And so what do you what do you do? Do you like trust your ego and like stay in that situation or do you trust your intuition and and take action as well, because not everything is falling from the sky, and take action to follow your intuition. So following your intuition, following what you... And I do feel that it's also self-respect very much to listen to our intuition and to follow our emotion and intuition very much. When you do this as well, there is like really... a form of self-respect that comes. ⁓ It's very interesting because it's self-respect and self-confidence, self-trust as well. I start trusting myself. I trust myself on this. So many people, they don't trust themselves on that. And for many reasons, or trust the... That's the thing, like, trusting yourself, you trust in the universe and, you know, saying like, no, I can't do it because I have those obligations, because I can't do this for that, because, you know, I have to like follow that structure or because, you know, financially speaking, I cannot, and I understand, but I have to say that even if, yes, financially speaking, the transition might be complicated or not, if you still stay into something that's is not yours, then therefore you don't trust that you're capable or able of doing this. But you are, you know. So, yeah. Yeah. Such a big one, right? Because it's all well and good to say, I want to find my truth. I want to live authentically. But if you don't trust who that person is, and if you ultimately are rejecting your truth because you don't trust it, Sometimes you don't trust it because you don't know it. You haven't lived that way before. You've never known that you're going to be taken care of by being who you are. And a lot of the time that's how the unraveling of the trauma comes around. And part of this is because you might be 20, 30 years into your journey and then finally understand, ⁓ my God, I've never been who I actually am. I'd be clinging to the work that you did previously and holding on to that as that means more than the discovery that you're still not at the point of truth. And I've seen that before. I've seen that before. ⁓ And this realization of actually, ultimately what's happening here is that there is a significant misunderstanding in the mechanics of how the Speaker 2: Thank Speaker 1: energy of this world works, where the tangible like half that doesn't make you happy, that doesn't make your heart sing, that doesn't bring joy to you is apparently safer. I think the misunderstanding of safety is one of the most wonderful discoveries that anyone can go on because you start to understand when you continue to put your safety into these mechanisms, such as a company or a job or a, you know, even you then go, ⁓ but I will make, I won't make money from a job. I'll make money from YouTube or Instagram or whatever. The moment that meta shuts down, moment that YouTube kicks you off, you're still in the receiving what you have from somebody else, right? I'm just wondering how therefore you approached this. I received because I am. And maybe if you're still on that journey, you can talk to like what you're doing towards that goal or how that's unfolding for you. But what are you talking about in terms of self-trust? What are you talking about in terms of like, take this pathway that doesn't lead to your guaranteed unhappiness and in authentic life, but take the pathway that leads to your truth, to your authentic expression, to the life that lights you up, that where you're supported by the universe and you're supported by yourself. What does that actually look like and feel like in your pathway to this point? And where do you want it to go for you, you know, if you don't feel like you're ultimately there yet? No, even though sometimes I had lost faith, which is in the process of peeling that onion, I do really believe and ⁓ I truly believe that we have the power to, the ability to manipulate in a good way energies ⁓ and ask the universe and to receive. Really, I don't doubt this at all. ⁓ So I'm good with that journey of knowing how to believe into manifesting ⁓ what I want. I do believe as well. I have an example when I started. So I was, and maybe that can, I don't know, any listeners who are having those question marks around wanting for change or about a change, but they're like a little bit lost. So I was a journalist and then I felt like I wanted to start something else on the side, you know, and especially for like financial matters, like financially speaking, I needed something else on the side. And I was really, really lost. had absolutely no idea. I had too many ideas, but I had none. That was something that worked. And for two weeks, I was really scared. I was stressed. I was almost depressed. I was like, what am I going to do with my life? And three days before, I ⁓ did buy a little ceramic dish. Never in my life, I bought decoration ceramics dish or anything like this. I did buy a ceramic dish with a few crystals and put it on my bedside table. And three days later, I just wake up like this, eyes open, straight away looking at the dish, straight away looking at the ceramic dish. And I was like, I know I'm going to make ceramics with crystals inside. I was sure. And there was no doubt. This is something that, and of course, someone who is listening to us, I'm like, yeah. Well, this is kind of like a miraculous revelation that I don't have right now. So how can I make even like this happen and so on? Because also I kind of like let go. You know, I was so stressed. What can I do? What What can I do? I kind of like let go. said, OK, I'm going to give myself a break about what I'm going to do. And I just going to see. But it can happen many different ways. And I woke up my partner at the time. told him, I know I'm going to make ceramics. And at the time, it was not that much of a trend. And he looked at me like, just like laughing, believing in me, but like laughing. I told my mom, and she was like, great, if you want to do, And then my grandmother telling my mom, you're not going to let her do ceramics and stop journalism to make pots. Like, that doesn't make sense at all. And I started making the ceramics with crystals and stuff. And people were laughing at it. And someone told me, but that's Someone told me at the beginning, it looks like you're making ceramics. So on Wednesday afternoon, there is no school in France. And so we put kids into like hobby stuff. And ceramic is one of the hobby stuff. And he said, it looks like a ceramic that a kid on a Wednesday afternoon would have done. And I could have taken this as like, oh my god, I have to stop. I feel ashamed. That actually boosted me to say, I need to know new techniques and I need to be even better at it. Two years later, I was having my own studio. I was making X amount per month living by myself. Financially speaking, I had like no worries. I had like, really, it went great. And this is what I'm talking about. If I didn't follow that, even though my grandmother was like, what's the, know, even though if I had stopped with everything, And also ceramics, I didn't know any single thing about ceramics. I remember I started the wheel, my first question, how long would it take for me to make something good? ⁓ yeah, about a year or two, if you're speed up. I'm like, ⁓ my God, I don't have this time. OK, ⁓ no problem, you don't have this time. I go to hand building. And so you find solution. Things are aligning. Boom, clarity, idea. And you don't give up, go. But this motivation and this excitement. like brings you to like do things. And then about two, three years ago, it didn't work that like I had, I was so passionate about it, so passionate about the ceramics. And then three years later, no motivation. I didn't want to do it anymore. I was shaking. I was like, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And I was starting step by step because word of mouth, doing like readings first to family and friends, and then to other people. And the idea was therefore like to transition into the universe was showing me bringing me more people bringing me, but I was still like so scared. What am I going to do? And my mom was like, well, you're to have to go. And I used to be a waitress. So she's like, you're going to have to go and like work in restaurants. Even though I love being a waitress, I didn't want to do that. And there was like no way for me to go. And I was like, how am I going to do? How am I going to do? And boom, at the same time, I sell my ⁓ ceramic It's what's the name? The ceramic business, but like the oven, but it has another name in the kiln. Thank you. At the same time. that allows me to like, you know, set up that transition and then everything aligns boom, boom, boom. You know, like I, start like go and work at a beautiful crystal shop that doesn't exist on one day anymore, but that was absolutely amazing. They helped me so much, you know, like. starting to, and then I didn't feel alone and everything I was asking for came again, you know? And working in that field, by the way, even though, and I never asked myself, do I feel legitimate in doing this? Do I feel legitimate in like doing that? Is it for me? No, I feel like I want to do it. Therefore, no one is here to tell me that I can't, not even like the, the universe, which is me. So like, if I feel like I want to do it, then therefore that's a green, green light from the universe as well. Like, you know, so I kind of like lost the track of your question. Sorry, but that's no, think you, I think you totally got it. I think, I mean, let's just go into a little bit in nuance because you said so many interesting things there. The central theme of what you're saying is follow, like follow that spark once you have it. that spark within the infinity of things that you could do there's a spark. I call it the spark of infinity and what it does is it happens outside but it happens inside and it's the connection between those two sparks that is one spark. It's getting complicated for people who are listening but anyway this spark of infinity and you follow it right you follow that. And it doesn't matter what anybody said to you. That's the part I think where people falter. Why didn't it matter to you? Why didn't it matter to you? That's what I want to know. Why didn't it matter? Your, your, your partner's sort of like, okay, yeah, good for you, but I'm laughing at you. Your mom's telling you to get a waitress job. Your grandmother's thinking that you're insane. And I'm sure a lot of people had a lot of opinions that you didn't even mention, but you didn't care. How did you get that? Because that's the key to everybody's success. I know you remember I told you like I went somewhere I did Irish dancing was a journalist and then fashion business and so on. So at some point you learn how to like do what you want without, you know, at some point I was like, I've done so many things I don't care anymore about what people say. But for someone who would care about this, when you want something you will feel you know what's the difference between like the difference that will make you still do something whatever. the family pressure, the friends pressure, whatever, the society pressure, whatever, it's the excitement and the knowing that it's going to work. And you're excited about this. You're excited about this new project. You're excited about the joy and the excitement and the happiness it will bring and whatever it is. Is it money? Well, then it will be money or the money that you will make if it's that that excites you. But the excitement is something that is very strong. And, you know, so the excitement of this project, the excitement and well, at this point as well, I have to say that I had my idea, I did develop my clear cognizance, which is the ability to know an inner knowing. I knew, I just knew, I knew, I knew it will work. And you know what, coming back to something, so yes, I have to say that when things are aligning, we keep saying, ⁓ the universe. is aligning with me, my guys are helping and so on. But it's also you, with your own energy, you are so excited about a project. You can visualize it. You know it. You manifest it. So things that are aligning, it's not always outside of you. It's inside of you. It's your energy. And so people a lot sometimes, you know. I'm saying this with people I'm having conversations with through my sessions. And so not everyone, of course, but people with who I speak with about all of this, like I received a sign from the universe and so on. Yes, there are signs from the universe or from your deceased loved ones or from your spirit guides. But a lot of signs, a lot of things that are aligned in, you have created it. We do some we do rely too much on outside what people are going to think. What if, know, materialistically, I don't have this? I need this to be happy. I need that. But it's inside. We have to go inside, you know, to get what we want and to be aligned. And we do create these signs. We are so powerful. Our energy is so powerful to create. And so sometimes we wake up and I do feel like, you know, when someone tells me, no, this is amazing. You know, like, I got this opportunity and I got this and this person called me and I'm going to do that and everything's aligning. The universe heard me and I'm like, why are you so surprised? You did it also. Not only the universe, but it's you. created those opportunities and these alignments as well. And that's what it's so important to remember, to remember those abilities that we have and what we can create. But going back to, yes, your question, how you know and how you and what create that spark that makes you continue, even though you might have people laughing at you or you might have like, you know, negative answers from, I don't know, the banks for projects that you have on, you know, or any types of... You never lose ⁓ confidence or you never give up. You never give up. You just find another solution. There is something that I saw on Instagram ⁓ that is quite trendy at the moment. And I feel like it kind of resonates with many people because it's something that goes viral. So it's something with the GPS. It never says ⁓ you're on the wrong path. You failed. It's you're on the wrong path. Try again. Or they reshift the path. to the right destination. It's not like you're at the wrong destination, you have failed. You're at the wrong destination. Turn off your car, throw away the keys, just die here. No, it shifts you to something to the same destination, maybe a longer road, but it's the same. So take the other road. If you know, and if you feel that this is something that you want to do, you don't give up. And that feeling, you will have it. You will know. And you don't have to be a renowned psychic medium or energy healing practitioner to know, you will know, like you for your podcast, you go for it. I mean, you know, you could have like said, No, I'm not going to do it just because there's so many podcasts already. So you know, I mean, so many people, they have ideas, and they just don't, don't even do the first step because so many people are already doing this, who I am to do it, or what difference am I going to make and so on, you know, but if it's really something that excites you, then you will do it. Yeah. You've brought up a natural question for me because we've been talking about remembering and now you're almost talking about choice. That's the choice to do it. So how does choice and remembering work together to create the life that you actually supposed to be living? ⁓ If I understood well, then my answer would be by remembering what's meant to be for you or what makes you feel like it's the right path and therefore you will choose to do it. Hmm. Makes sense. I don't know if that's what your man. definitely. Definitely. I think that people people. ⁓ I've had this conversation a lot with people around. There seems to be a confusion between, OK, if I remember who I am, then it all just ⁓ somehow ⁓ gets fixed. But it's me at least. Yeah, that's the first part. But you're in a physical body with a physical vessel. You live in a physical world. The remembering aspect is non-physical, for sure. The choice itself is a mental. ⁓ sometimes body reaction. But then what happens is you take that remembering and you take that choice to live as that remembering and you follow the synchronistic steps. I think from my experience at least is that when you have radically chosen no other path, but the one that is the most coherent to your truth. And you fall out of the mental realm of second guessing and doubting. And you almost come out of that false time scale where things happen between the hours of nine to five only. And you come into a much slower, it seems slower, but it's not slower. That's the thing. Like it seems slower at first because you're out of urgency. You're out of fanaticism. You're out of this frantic, yeah, the panic and the anxiety zone. and you come into what I call natural time, it feels slower. But then what happens is you get synchronicity after synchronicity after synchronicity and your pathway to your goal or to the thing that is aligned to what you're seeking and choosing contracts. You're doing things very slowly, but they're happening very quickly. And I love your really succinct, if you remember who you are, you will choose to be that because it's the simplest. These universal truths, they're very simple to explain actually. We're most of the time complicated. Yes, I have to say that we tend, we love to complicate things and sometimes things ⁓ again, but again, it's about perception. But yes, they can be complicated. But it's very simple. And you know, you said it's, yes, it takes the time that it takes. But when it's aligned, it's very quick. And you know, it's, it's the same in terms of like psychic abilities, receiving signs and so on, aligning. It's quick. It's quick. We tend to even, and I say that because I remember, you know, during the programs that we are doing, I help people tuning into their abilities and straight away after the second week we do psychic readings straight away and people are like ⁓ my god ⁓ my god you know and then they're like but shouldn't we like meditate for like 40 minutes and do like and i'm like no here's a picture tell me what you can and straight away and on the first it's incredible how accurate Sorry. And straight away, it's incredible how people are accurate. It's within us. But everything, not only psychic abilities, but our answer to the universe, the way the universe answers to us, there is no need. mean, everyone does, like they want their rituals, their routines, and according to their belief. But when it's like this, there's nothing to waste. It's like this, and it's happening. And it's happening that way. And it's quite quick. It's true. It happens very And we need to stop being surprised that somebody comes into your mind and then they call you. You know, we are natively telepathic. We're replacing a lot of our ⁓ in a gift with technology. And it does make it easier to get a direct call from somebody on the phone than telepathically. But I think that if you want to really develop these skills, start by first sending a telepathic message to somebody. before you call them to see if they respond to you, you know, somehow. And I myself really developed a lot of my ability to listen and to communicate with this kind of very simple exercise. And I think what's nice about this exercise is you get feedback. You get feedback that it worked because the person calls you or they send you a text or you know, the situation that you wanted to have a resolution to comes to resolution. ⁓ One of the things that I learned very early on, and I've been doing this for more than 15 years, is if I have a direct conflict with somebody, ⁓ the way that I first resolve that conflict is in an energetic space. going back to the conversation on unconditional love, seeing somebody else's perspective, really connecting with their truths and their ⁓ side of things in a place that they don't have to interfere with their ego, right? And you don't have to interfere with your ego. And, you know, I would literally in my mind or in my meditation space, like set up what looked like a therapist office or, you know, some kind of mediation session. I would invite the other person there, their highest possible loving self and my highest possible loving self, and we would resolve that conflict. Then I would book the meeting and the conflict will be resolved exactly as it already had been resolved. And this is not, just to clarify, this is not me manipulating in my imagination, me getting my way. Because the resolution was never... me getting everything I wanted. And these kinds of things when you, for example, one of the things I wanted to ask you before when you were talking about your ceramics was around how you found your customers, how you built that business and how you were able to, with probably less skill than, you know, a 20, 30, 40 year olds ceramicist, you were able to financially gain independence and capacity to live on your art. I was wondering what role the energy work that you do played in that, in terms of getting customers, in terms of getting your name out there, or even just like creating the products is one thing, because I think that we can all channel in some level of creating art. But how do you then go out and share that with the world from your own personal ⁓ energetic and style. You know, I feel while everyone is absolutely legitimate to do whatever they want, even though there is a billion people already doing it, is that because it's not about the product itself, it's about the energy or the person that you are and the message that you are going to send. And we are lucky, everyone's different and everyone has their own energy. so ⁓ everyone has their chance. And I do believe that you know, by perseverance. of course, there were, you know, I it's just well, see, I through journalism, it's no but like, I did video journalism as well. And so through my journalism skills, through communication, and like video photography, and so on, I was able to put up an Instagram that was more or less okay. So that helps. But you know, so everything aligned in that way. And so and there step by step, I had ideas in terms of business marketing and so on that really helped me. But in energetic side or speaking, the more I was trusting into this project and putting energy into this project, the more I was having ideas, followers, and so on and so on. And one day, ⁓ And one day I had this brand, Crystal Brands, that is absolutely amazing. And in Australia, by the way, Cleance & Co, she contacted me. It was during COVID and she made my first big order. She ordered like 100 or 200 ceramics or something like this. And it happened, I want to say it happened by chance or like that, but no, it didn't. It was like the first breakthrough, breakthrough. And I was doing ceramics for six months, less than that. So why me instead of someone else? What was the energy that I did put? And you are manifesting. And I was visualizing. also, well, I'm. was working in like art and creativity. So you have to visualize a lot and through visualization, it's also a technique you were talking about exercise that you do telepathic exercise. And those practices are so much fun. We are doing so many in the program that I used to run and those little practices. But that's the thing people feel like, I need to have time to do this practice or I need to have time to like develop my intuition and to trust it and so on. No, you can be in the car cleaning your carpet or whatever. It should be natural. You can do that exercise whilst you're doing this. But there's another story about beliefs around spirituality, connecting and so on. But anyway, so. ⁓ What was the question? Crystal shot. Yeah, right. Sorry. I'm really like this. But so yeah, that's energetically and I love the facts and I really do believe as well that anything that is happening first and foremost, so before it happens, physically speaking, is happening at an energetic or energy level. And so the fact that you're going, you go to connect energetically to a person with whom you could have had an argument or situation, whatever it is, to first resolve energetically and then talk, I find it absolutely amazing. And it's all about energy. And it starts all about energy before becoming like in or before coming in our physical world. So this is amazing. This is great. Unfortunately, no, I was about to say not many people, but that's not true, you know, because actually more and more people are really are way less skeptical about the miracles that working with energy can do and so on. But there's a lack of like knowing how to how do we do, you know, and it's complicated because when it comes to energy, it is invisible. is invisible, you know, if we're speaking It's not, but it is, it is not something that... So people get sometimes triggered about this, you know, they can feel, can, but there's those like question mark if like, what am I doing? Like, am I doing the right thing? Is it goods? Is, you know, am I feeling really something or is it my, you know, imagination? But an imagination, it's a type of intuition, you know, as well. But so, yeah. This conversation has gone in so many directions. I've loved it so much. I could talk to you for the rest of the afternoon. I wanted to end on this final question. You've had this incredibly nonlinear life. You've explored the depths of yourself, of energy. You're going on this path until probably the day you die as I can gather from you. know, you're, you're a true investigative journalists or whether you're working as a journalist or not. Right. What is it to this point that you've most. I guess that you've come to a deep understanding of an acceptance around that now guides your life. What is the piece of wisdom that helps you through all these chops, all these changes that you think would be really beneficial for other people to hear? That's a good question. ⁓ ⁓ Sorry, I'm going to be quick. ⁓ Doesn't matter. So I don't know if I'm legitimate enough to give a piece of advice, but really what I have learned, what I have learned, and especially this year, you know, we all go through ups and downs, even though, you know, and I had to say that 2025 was incredibly challenging, even at a personal level, but I was still connected. to the spirit world very much, it was really... And there is one thing that ⁓ I've been more conscious about, and not only through my own experience, but also in the session that I did ⁓ with people, breathe. Don't be too hard on yourself. People are hard on themselves. people are hard on themselves. Especially, I don't know if it's because I went through something where I had to open my eyes on this this year, because also it was a very challenging year for the people that I had session with, people tend to be hard on themselves. So just don't be hard on yourself. Speaker 2: . Speaker 1: You know, you're doing amazing. Don't be hard on yourself. Just like go for it. You know, it's really, it's not because and I'm not, you know, and I'm saying this because we make mistakes, sometimes lack of consciousness or we might not know what to do or where to go. But ⁓ that doesn't mean that you're doing the things wrong, but that you're doing your best, really. And I do feel that in my sessions, I felt people have forgotten that despite situations and challenges that, you know, they are doing their best and really many people are doing their best. ⁓ so yeah, allow this lightness to come back. I felt it was quite heavy this past year. And thanks, thank God, or thanks us, thanks the universe, thanks, you know, we're coming into. I do feel that the energy of like a year number nine still around, but by February it should be opening and bring that energy of like, like this as well. And this, this goes into another conversation about what is a fake calendar versus a real calendar and just trust the energy, not the calendar. The calendar is made up. The energy is real. Yeah, for sure. For sure. For sure. ⁓ my goodness. Thank you so much. have really enjoyed. I've gotten so much out of this conversation. I really will sit and reflect on everything that's really come. But I think for me, the two things that have come are just that reminder that these things don't need to take 45 minutes to connect into something. know, this is if you keep that connection open all the time and you're keeping on listening and you're really focused on what the other person is saying, not just because of what they're saying, but because of what they're telling you at some level within you. If you're looking for answers, somebody's giving them to you. And I have experienced so many times in my life, having a conversation with a stranger at a bus stop or at a cafe or a library, whatever it is, doing something so mundane, you're not, you know, you're not even expecting it. And someone tells you the key to the thing that you've been waiting to hear and they don't know what they're saying. And so I always remember that the universe is helping us to hear or that we ourselves are this ⁓ emitter of what we need. And we are always connecting to the bio and energetic fields of others who may have what we need. And so these resources that we think that we need as like money in this specific way or a specific business person to open up that door or whatever, it's like, remember that whatever you're emitting out is coming back to you and you need to be listening. You need to slow down and listen and be in the presence of that. That was a huge takeaway for me from this conversation. The other one was. ⁓ Definitely. I have reflected when you're talking about how hard I am on myself. Definitely. Definitely realizing it is so much easier for me to be kind and extends compassion and understanding to others than it is to myself. And especially when we go through a really hard time that most of us have in these last three years, especially, but last year. 2024, 2023, these were huge energetic years, very, very, very collapsing energy. And especially if we continue to consider. a specific outcome as the right one, as opposed to being open to what it is. That gap means that we can be so critical and so diagnostic of failure, of wrongness, or not enoughness. And I think that's the key to when we stop trusting. That's the key when we stop listening. That's the moment when we say, okay, well, it's supposed to be like this, but it's not. How do I even trust myself? How do I even know that it's going to be okay? And if we can stop that loop and just come into. It is, it is not possible for me to be separate from the universe, from the all humanity, from my body, from everything. That's maybe just like the simplest thing, just in those moments of doubt, negative self-talk, whatever it is, it's just like, it's not even possible. And that's really hard to remember. It's really, really hard to remember, but it's free and it's accessible. to everyone. So I think those are my, I think those are my main, my main takeaways from this conversation that are really super implementable today, tomorrow. Now. this moment. I really, really enjoyed our conversation and thank you so much for the opportunity and, to connect with your listeners and to have this really amazing conversation with you and knowing you, your opinions, your thoughts about all of this. It's really, we could be speaking for hours about this. There's so many, many things to say. So many things to So you wanna tell people where they can find you so they can hear more about what you think as well. Yeah, thank you. So ⁓ on Instagram at holistic dot self dot space, I have my website as well holistic self space. And I'm opening a membership on the platform called school ⁓ SK double O L. So if you type on the search bar holistic self you will find me. And it's a membership that will reunite a community with different types of discussions for tips and practices, ⁓ resources, ⁓ announcements when it comes to workshops. We're to do Zoom lives for practice, collective healing session. And so really, really, the space will be for people to remember. their abilities, natural healing and psychic abilities, being able to use them on their everyday life and to have a community as well where they don't feel alone within this journey. Amazing. Amazing. Well, thank you so much. We'll link all of that below in the show notes. So do you want to have a wonderful, I can see that it's now very dark for you. Go and have a lovely night. and we will chat to you soon. Thank you so much, Kait. Thank you. great. Thank you so much. really enjoyed that. would be great to ⁓ stay in contact by WhatsApp or something