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DIDDY VERDICT WATCH: Defense Claims Violent Attacks Just 'Homemade Porn' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: We are on a verdict watch here a crime story.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, it's the Diddy Verdict Watch. Now the defense
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  Speaker 2: has claimed to the jury with a straight face that
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  Speaker 2: those violent attacks some caught on video are all.
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  Speaker 1: Just homemade porn okay.
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  Speaker 2: During the Diddy Verdict Watch, it has promulgated outside the courthouse.
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  Speaker 1: There are t shirts for sale.
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  Speaker 2: Vegas bents through the roof, tarot card predictions. But it
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  Speaker 2: all boils down to what twelve individuals believe. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us. Sean Kimes walking into the courtroom, all
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  Speaker 2: Na must.
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  Speaker 1: Stay what what well?
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  Speaker 2: Whoa whoa wo what a yoga zen thing.
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  Speaker 3: Greeting his lawyers with a yoga studio, asked about.
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  Speaker 1: Namastay my career end.
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  Speaker 3: This is horrific that he's allowed to walk into court
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  Speaker 3: an easy's being well, cute and calm.
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  Speaker 1: He can Noma stay his way all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the MDC.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't all Noma stay in the middle of all
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  Speaker 2: these free costs. He can chill out behind bars for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of his life for all I care. After
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  Speaker 2: bombshell closing, statements. The judge charged the jury throughout the morning,
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  Speaker 2: and we are in a verdict. Watch here at Crime
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  Speaker 2: Stories as we wait for the show incomes verdict to
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  Speaker 2: be handed down by a jury of twelve. Joining us
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  Speaker 2: now outside the Monahan Federal Courthouse. Tisa Tail's host of
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  Speaker 2: Tisa Tales on YouTube, Tisa thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What happened in court today?
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  Speaker 4: In court, Mark Agnefilio came in like.
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  Speaker 5: He had had the worst news delivered to He was
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  Speaker 5: in walking around purl Brow, going in and out.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody knows what happened.
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  Speaker 5: However, the jury got the instructions, and something's telling me
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  Speaker 5: that a strawberry lemonade defense might be falling apart.
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  Speaker 4: Before it even had a chance to take hold.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, for those that don't know about the strawberry lemonade defense,
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  Speaker 2: among so many other defenses such as it was just
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  Speaker 2: homemade porn. Really okay? Does that include the Castiventior beat
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  Speaker 2: down video that said strawberry lemonade explain this really took
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  Speaker 2: the cake.
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  Speaker 5: Strawberry leiminade defense is something I hope I never hear again.
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  Speaker 5: I will never be able to look at Country Time
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  Speaker 5: eliminade again.
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  Speaker 4: Mark Agnofilio started off by saying, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 4: when you're a partner. Sometimes they like it, but you
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  Speaker 4: don't like.
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  Speaker 5: But you couldn't like what your partner likes because you
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  Speaker 5: want to please them again. The jury and the galley
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  Speaker 5: was looking like, sir, what are you talking about? He
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  Speaker 5: looked like he was like, okay, too far. It's like
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  Speaker 5: and then he immediately switched to it's like drinking strawberry lemonade.
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  Speaker 5: Your partner might love it, you don't like it, but.
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  Speaker 4: Over time you come to like it because you want
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  Speaker 4: to please your partner again.
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  Speaker 5: And Mark Agnofilio was doing, I don't believe you're lying,
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  Speaker 5: eyes and ears, just focus in on me. His wife
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  Speaker 5: was in court and he said that this was he's
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  Speaker 5: seen him his whole career, and this was the best
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  Speaker 5: clothing he's ever seen him perform. And I gotta say,
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  Speaker 5: if that was the best, I would hate to see
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  Speaker 5: the worst.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Tisa tails.
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  Speaker 2: Throughout the defense closing statement, we heard Agnifilo use one
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  Speaker 2: old tired phrase after the next, such as she wanted it, uh,
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  Speaker 2: she got paid, as if that's the defense to the beatings,
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  Speaker 2: making a lot of comments about how much money Cassaventiro had,
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  Speaker 2: how much money? He was referring to Jane Steele living in.
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  Speaker 1: The home that Diddy had paid for, on and on
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  Speaker 1: with so many old, tired phrases.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very curious at reflecting on really disdainful theories about
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  Speaker 2: rape victims. I'm very curious how the jury was responding
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  Speaker 2: to that.
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  Speaker 5: The funny thing is, I thought it was my imagination,
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  Speaker 5: but I talked to a few people also that.
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  Speaker 4: Were sitting on court. He lost the jury. He went
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  Speaker 4: so far as to say, you want to talk about
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  Speaker 4: old school rape theories? He said, and then he pulled
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  Speaker 4: out the oldest trick in the book, him, read me,
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  Speaker 4: and she said it just like that.
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  Speaker 5: The jury's eyes kind of looked like, what is going on?
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  Speaker 5: He tried to apply Cassie was a minx that seduced
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  Speaker 5: all these men. She was gangster, She could take two
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  Speaker 5: or three men at a time. Cassie was a woman
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  Speaker 5: that likes sex.
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  Speaker 4: It was so disgusting. And the funny thing is, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 5: He came in really charming the jury, making jokes. But
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  Speaker 5: once he started going into that old school misogyny, the
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  Speaker 5: jury was termed off. And the thing is, he started
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  Speaker 5: to seem like he was to get a little nervous.
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  Speaker 5: It's almost like he realized that he had.
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  Speaker 4: Lost a jury. It was really startling to see.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand what you just said. Tisa Tales.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone Tasta Tales from Tisa Tales on YouTube joining us
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  Speaker 2: outside the courthouse. And what a day it has been
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  Speaker 2: in the courtroom. We'll get into jury instructions in just
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  Speaker 2: a moment. But did you say that Agnifilo, the lead
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney, stated that Cassie was gangster and that she
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  Speaker 2: was fine to take two to three men at once.
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  Speaker 1: He said that.
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  Speaker 4: What he actually said was she juggled them two three
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  Speaker 4: at a time.
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  Speaker 5: But Nancy, you hit it on the head, that inference,
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  Speaker 5: that little sly growth thought he was trying to plant
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  Speaker 5: in the jury's head two to three. Let's not forget
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  Speaker 5: what she was getting the trend on her. It was
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  Speaker 5: two or three people. It was disgusting to see what
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  Speaker 5: he was doing. And that inference that you picked up
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  Speaker 5: on was not lost on the jury. He lost them
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  Speaker 5: with that old school misogyny.
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  Speaker 1: It was too much.
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  Speaker 4: It was too much.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, did he act she say the
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  Speaker 2: word gangster.
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  Speaker 4: Did he say yes, Yes, he said Cassie was traded.
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  Speaker 5: And this is right after he was referring to her
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  Speaker 5: juggling two or three at a time.
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  Speaker 4: Cassie was gangster.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't care.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I don't want to sound jez.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing wrong with this. This is a woman that
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  Speaker 5: liked sex. She liked it, she was in control, he
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  Speaker 5: knew what he wanted.
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  Speaker 4: It was back to back to back grossness.
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  Speaker 5: And again, I can understand if the prosecution had not
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  Speaker 5: done such a great job with their closing arguments, maybe
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  Speaker 5: you could have skated by. But it was night and
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  Speaker 5: day and it really made a jury in my mind,
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  Speaker 5: saying who side are you on? And where are you
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  Speaker 5: going to draw the line at where you see victims?
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  Speaker 4: It was very startling.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand this.
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  Speaker 2: The white bread boy from law school called the rape
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  Speaker 2: victims gangster?
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  Speaker 1: Did I just hear that?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 5: And again it sounded just as cheesy Eric Corney, and
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  Speaker 5: like a load of bricks, But he still did it,
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  Speaker 5: and it made me think, was did he involved in
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  Speaker 5: that closing argument? Was he giving him notes about no colors?
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  Speaker 1: Straight?
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  Speaker 4: Gangster?
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  Speaker 1: Again?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe right, message, wrong, Messenger. That was a very cringe moment.
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  Speaker 5: You know, as soon as it came out of Mark's mouth,
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  Speaker 5: you could tell he just wanted to make that go
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  Speaker 5: away and just move on to the next point.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, joining me, Rob Shooter. He is a host of
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  Speaker 2: naughty but nice podcasts and you can find him at
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  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter in a shut er, not Bang Bang Shooter,
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  Speaker 2: robshooter dot substack dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Former publicist for Sean comes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just trying to get that mental picture of Agnifilo,
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  Speaker 2: the whitebread boy from law school, fixing his mouth to
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  Speaker 2: call the rape victims gangster. And they could take it
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  Speaker 2: that Cassie could juggle two to three men at a time.
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  Speaker 1: You're the pr guru. I bet that Phil flat.
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  Speaker 6: Worse than that. Nancy has absolutely tone deaf. I'm shocked
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  Speaker 6: that did. He's paying good money for this legal team
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  Speaker 6: and did he is a perfectionist, at least when I
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  Speaker 6: worked with him. He certainly likes to win and have
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  Speaker 6: things his own way. I can't believe that this is
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  Speaker 6: the argument that they're using, that he's allowing them to use,
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  Speaker 6: that he's not objecting to it. He has made a
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  Speaker 6: living for twenty years really really understanding what the audience wants.
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  Speaker 6: And I know he's looking at that jury like an audience.
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  Speaker 6: He's been on stage and he knows what it's like
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  Speaker 6: to lose an audience. He's played the garden, some of
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  Speaker 6: the biggest venues in the world. Now he's sitting in
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  Speaker 6: this courtroom and he can tell he's a professional at this, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: He can tell that this just is not working. I
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  Speaker 6: am so surprised that they are doing this, and I'm
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  Speaker 6: even more surprised that did he hasn't at least tried
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  Speaker 6: to correct this ship. It's a bad, bad look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And here's the thing, Shooter.
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  Speaker 2: Once you commit to the lawyer that's going to deliver
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  Speaker 2: the closings, you're stuck. You could have a fleet five seven,
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  Speaker 2: eight lawyers like the defense has, but only one lawyer
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  Speaker 2: is tasked can be tasked with delivering closing statements.
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  Speaker 1: If you'll think back to the Alex.
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  Speaker 2: Murdock double murder trial where he was charged and convicted
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  Speaker 2: of murdering his wife Maggie and son Paul. They wanted
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  Speaker 2: to split that up so the good old boy could
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  Speaker 2: start Hartpootlian.
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  Speaker 1: The closings and then bring on a younger and more.
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  Speaker 2: Spry lawyer to hit the facts. No, that was not allowed.
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  Speaker 2: There is a reason only one lawyer can give openings
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  Speaker 2: and closings. And they picked Agnifilo. I told them at
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  Speaker 2: the get go, do not do that. After his disastrous
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  Speaker 2: softball interview with Harvey Levin about the baby oil it
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  Speaker 2: was cringey right way cringe. He was not fit to
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  Speaker 2: do closings. He may be illegal mastermind, but no, Oh
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  Speaker 2: they had Steel, an excellent lawyer, just got young Fergoff.
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  Speaker 2: They have tiny Girrigoss, daughter of Mark Gerrio's great lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: But no, they picked him. That was Diddy's decision. Do
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  Speaker 2: you agree or disagree there? Any way? It was anyone's decision.
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  Speaker 1: But Sean Combs is no way, one hundred percent his decision.
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  Speaker 6: And not only will he be deciding which lawyer to pick,
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  Speaker 6: he'll want to know the outline of the closing statements
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  Speaker 6: they're going to make. He's a total control for it.
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  Speaker 6: Let me give you an example, Nancy. When I was
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  Speaker 6: working with him twenty years ago, we were at Good
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  Speaker 6: Morning America and everybody in the crowd was white, and
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  Speaker 6: did he know that this was a bad look? And
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  Speaker 6: he turned to me and said, where are the people
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  Speaker 6: of color? And there were some people there. They were
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  Speaker 6: at the back, they were moved to the front. Did
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  Speaker 6: he notice this in did his concerts? Did he make
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  Speaker 6: sure that when the camera shoots people in the audience,
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  Speaker 6: it's people of color people, it's pretty people. So he
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  Speaker 6: knows image better than anybody else in that courtroom, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm shocked that he's allowing this to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Not good.
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  Speaker 2: And of course we've had fifty fifty fifty cents way
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  Speaker 2: in on the closing arguments, but very quickly, I want
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  Speaker 2: everybody to hear I got a ton of these man
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  Speaker 2: on the streets about the outcome of the trial.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this. We're all my.
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  Speaker 2: Blogger, reporters, anyone content creators that have questions for this man.
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  Speaker 1: He will be home soon. You heard it here first
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  Speaker 1: on EBTV.
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  Speaker 2: That's from Arispoto on TikTok Okay. So word on the
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  Speaker 2: street is that he's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to walk. Okay, I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Tisa tells what's the word in the courthouse, Because I
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  Speaker 2: tell you, who knows what's going to happen. The bailiffs,
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  Speaker 2: they always know, they know exactly what's going down. So
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  Speaker 2: what's the worry of Tisa tells.
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  Speaker 5: The word for the corporam is people are not expecting
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  Speaker 5: Diddy to walk. They are expecting for the verdict to
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  Speaker 5: come in before July third. They think the jury's going
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  Speaker 5: to want to take their holiday weekend. But they are
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  Speaker 5: not expecting Diddy to walk. And oddly enough, also a
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  Speaker 5: lot of people in the court that worked there seemed
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  Speaker 5: to be very very kind of thrown off two with
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  Speaker 5: the question of Mark agnfilial and what he was saying
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  Speaker 5: tu Rock's point where he says he doesn't know why.
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  Speaker 4: Did he did?
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  Speaker 5: There was something in the middle of closing arguments when
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  Speaker 5: after Mark Nott admonished by the judge, when he came back,
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  Speaker 5: did he had a huddle?
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  Speaker 4: He was bad, he was upset. He literally stood over.
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  Speaker 5: Them like a general a quietly barking orders at them
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  Speaker 5: and Mark with to the jury and then started.
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  Speaker 4: Saying all these nonsensical things.
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  Speaker 5: I actually think that did He's the one putting them
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  Speaker 5: up to have a man clost the sixties screaming she
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  Speaker 5: was straight gangster in the courtroom.
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  Speaker 4: I actually think didt He's the one.
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  Speaker 5: That had him make the argument of he he's a
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  Speaker 5: better father to Jane's child than the own father because
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  Speaker 5: he's paying friends. I think Diddy was behind that for
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  Speaker 5: some reason. He wanted to get those looks in and
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  Speaker 5: he thinks that it's.
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  Speaker 4: Going to win with the jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you need to to just hold on backtrack because
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  Speaker 2: I made every single detail taste of tales. When was
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  Speaker 2: Sean Combe's standing like the coach of the football team,
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  Speaker 2: barking orders, But he can't bark him too loud because
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  Speaker 2: everybody in the courtroom will hear it.
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  Speaker 1: I got to hear the whole thing slowly. I'm on
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  Speaker 1: every detail.
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  Speaker 5: So you see Diddy in the courtroom and when I
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  Speaker 5: say barking orders and this goes to Ditty's mindset. Of course,
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  Speaker 5: he wasn't screaming in the courtroom. He was very quiet.
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  Speaker 5: How do we know he was barking because of his
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  Speaker 5: body language. He sat there like a general like the
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  Speaker 5: Holly and looking at a map of Europe with his
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  Speaker 5: hands on the defense tables.
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  Speaker 4: Stand up, standing up. We were just coming back from
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  Speaker 4: a break Diddy's team at Nolan.
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  Speaker 5: They had gone too far and they had accused the
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  Speaker 5: government of acting improper. The judge said he was going
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  Speaker 5: to issue a curative instruction saying say that anymore and disregard.
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  Speaker 5: When they came back, he made sure he could have
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  Speaker 5: did it in the back room. He made sure the
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  Speaker 5: stand there like napoleons, his fingers spread of standing up
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  Speaker 5: leaning over the defense desk with his band of loyal followers.
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  Speaker 4: His defense team.
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  Speaker 5: Leaned and close, and he made sure by his body
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  Speaker 5: movement that we knew and his body language that we
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  Speaker 5: knew that he was whispering intently reading his team.
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  Speaker 4: A new one. And then they were going back and forth.
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  Speaker 5: It looked like they were trying to talk, since to
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  Speaker 5: them he was still like letting his body language do
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  Speaker 5: the talking. Again, he wanted to let us know that
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  Speaker 5: he wasn't happy with his lawyers, which is a very
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  Speaker 5: very weird thing. And after that, Mark Agnefiliel, when he
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  Speaker 5: started his closing again after Freak, he said, before we
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  Speaker 5: move on, I want to bring up a few issues
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  Speaker 5: that I don't think I touched him before, and I said,
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  Speaker 5: there you go, there you go. This is what did
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  Speaker 5: he wanted us to know? Apparently did he wants us
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  Speaker 5: to know the but if Cassie is, if we believe
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  Speaker 5: that Cassie is, in his words, a loose woman, an
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  Speaker 5: unclean woman.
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  Speaker 4: If we know that he was a better father to.
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  Speaker 5: Jane's child than even James's own baby's father because he
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  Speaker 5: was paying the rent, then somehow we're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to let it go. He wanted us to know
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  Speaker 4: that it was.
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  Speaker 5: Unclear, okay, that it was unclear in the video who
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  Speaker 5: the aggressor was.
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  Speaker 4: Could have been her, could have been him, Maybe it
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  Speaker 4: was him. Let's take a look at the evidence and
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  Speaker 4: see what you find.
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  Speaker 5: Again, these were the nonsensical arguments, and again Mark scene after.
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  Speaker 4: Did he read them a new one to lose his stem?
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  Speaker 4: And just it was a weird energy coming off.
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  Speaker 5: He kept seeing like he was trying to recover, and
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  Speaker 5: he kept going a little bit too far, So I
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  Speaker 5: think did he's the one pushing these narratives.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoe Ala, was joining us out of La,
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  Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker.
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  Speaker 2: You can see her on Peacock and find her online
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  Speaker 2: at dr Bethany Marshall dot com. In a nutshell that
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  Speaker 2: people actually still say that, and I can't believe that
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  Speaker 2: Agnifilo would actually say.
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  Speaker 1: That to Journey full of women loosemen.
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  Speaker 3: They may not say loose woman, Nancy, but The implication
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  Speaker 3: that if a woman is sexual, she's dirty or bad
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  Speaker 3: or sinful is still pervasive in our society. And this
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  Speaker 3: is why women who are sex trafficked do not have
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  Speaker 3: the protections that they should have. Men are allowed to
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  Speaker 3: be sexual, women are not. It is pervasive in our society.
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  Speaker 3: And this is what we see with p Diddy all
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  Speaker 3: throughout this case. And you know this, leaning against the
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  Speaker 3: defense desk, his fingers bread like Napoleon. He's trying to
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  Speaker 3: intimidate his attorneys and they are full grown men. Imagine
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  Speaker 3: what he did in private with these victims. If he's
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  Speaker 3: doing this in court in front of everybody, including the jurors.
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  Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse standing by Tisa Tail's
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  Speaker 2: star off Tasa Tales on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: Tisa aside from saying.
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  Speaker 2: Let me, I've just had to make a flowshot chart
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  Speaker 2: that the alligied rate victim is gangsta, that she could
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: easily take on two or three men at a time
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and juggle them, I assume that means pulling a train
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: in legal terms, calling her a loose woman, and all
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: of the charges just quote homemade porn. I understand that
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Shawn Kamm's son had to be taken out, well, escorted
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: out of the courtroom by bailiffs.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: What happened, well happly enough.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: When he was first escorted out, I assumed that it
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: was something to do with a bathroom break or he
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: felt sick. However he was really he was wearing a
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: T shirt that said free Didty.
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: And of course they have made it illegal in.
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: The courtroom to have anything that shows support or not
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: support for Didty. And it makes me wonder because I
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: still think Diddy is running the whole show. The fact
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: that you had to put your child up to that
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: because they knew the rules, and even at this critical
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: point where you need the jury to feel sorry for you,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: you need the court, through the judge by the way
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: it's going to sentence her father, to think that you
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: guys were all law abiding with a healthy.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Respect for the law.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: And the fact that you would take that moment to
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: do a stunt queen antic to say free Diddy and
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: you had to be escorted out of court.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Again, it makes you think about their minds.
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: I feel like they're living in delusion land, the followers
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: and even their son that would even put their dad
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: in the situation.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: But again, I think this is all flowing from the top.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: This is diddy.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: They had Sean Combs dressed up like a Harvard freshman
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: again in court today, wearing his usual cream colored sweater.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But I heard that throughout the judge's instructions very often
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: he had his head down.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Why what was happening when he had his.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Head down for some reason? Here's the thing. He had
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: his head down.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: I get what he was going for. He was trying
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: to look contrite. He wants the jury to feel sorry
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: for him. But I will say his messaging in his body.
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: Language has been very off.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: In his head, I think he's that young, strightly twenty
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: five year old that can, you know, shake hands, kiss babies,
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: and charm the ladies.
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: I don't think he realizes that he comes across a
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: little creepy in court. So he has his head down.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: It looks like, I get it, you're trying to look sad,
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: But are you going to sleep?
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: Hello? Are you up?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: When he's sitting.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Here trying to look contrite, he looks like somebody's grandfather,
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: trying to look like a three year old. Even when
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: you look at his body language. Dressed like a Harvard
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: law student, always a fresh haircut, but his hair is gray, which, again,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: where are you going with the image. I would think
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: that if you are being accused of making these women
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: do freak golfs and it's something you do to pretty
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: your lover, you won't want to look as young and
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: handsome as possible to make it seem like these girls
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: could actually be attracted to you without coercion.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: That is not the case.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: So again it's just another mysfire. And did he thinking
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: he knows more than anything? Now that said, like Rob said,
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: he's made a He's made a whole career out of
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: reading people.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: So maybe he sees something on the jury that we don't.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, Rob Shooter joining us a host of Naughty but
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Nice podcast.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, you know if he walks, the first place.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: He's going is to the Dwayne Reid or the CBS
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: right around the corner from the courthouse. Actually, he would
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: send a minion to do with He wouldn't do it
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: himself and take back up on just for a men,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: This whole gray hair act, you know, he's doing that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: on purpose to make himself look frail and pitiful in
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: front of the jury, not like a guy that could
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: beat Cassie Ventira's rear end on video, dragging her up
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and down the hall, and as was pointed out last week,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: holding on. He hadn't mind beating her with one hand.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: But one thing he did hold on to he did
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: was hold onto that towel, so this wouldn't show.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, did let let me see that video one more time? Please?
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: No matter what he did, you know he did the
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: all star punting kicks. He came running down the hall.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Look at that, grabbing her, grabbing her stuff out. Okay,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I never get past those kicks while she's laying there
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: act playing dead.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: But he never lets go of the towel.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: And many people have suggested is because at all costs
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: he doesn't want.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: The cameras to pick up on this. Okay, So, Vanity,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: thy name is Diddy.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: I think that's a beautiful, very very smart way of
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: really summarizing who he is. Nancy. He always is thinking
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: about image. He's always thinking about himself. He's always thinking
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: about the way he can sell something.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Let's be really.
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: Clear here, Puffy is not a star because he's a
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: great rapper, a great singer, a great actor, a great dancer. No,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: he's a great pr guy. He's a great mark getting guy,
• 22:01
  Speaker 6: and so I would imagine he was pretty angry with
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: his son for wearing that T shirt because it's the
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: opposite thing to what did he has been projecting portraying
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: in the court. So I would imagine was not that
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: happy about that. But I do think here it would
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: be so easy and a mistake for us all to
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: believe that this is over. The word that I'm hearing
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: not in the courtroom but on the street in the
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: music business is they're all expecting him to be home really,
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: really soon, and so you've got to take that into
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: account too. It's very easy to get into this bubble
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: where the evidence is so strong and what should happen
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: is what we want to happen. But often that isn't
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: the case, particularly when a marketing manipulative person is involved.
• 22:50
  Speaker 6: And did is that?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you, this shooter, the stories, the true
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: stories that you have told about Sean Colmbs manipulating the
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: press and other people. And you were there to hear
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: every directive, every order he gave, from what seat he
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: wanted in the expensive restaurant to how he wanted to
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: be videoed as he mounted his private plane, you name it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: What directives do you believe he.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Has told his team to execute during closing arguments? And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: how has he orchestrated the courtroom everything from where his
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: family sits and they've been in the courtroom all day
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: long during these charges, and that's not an easy thing
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: to listen to, by the way, during the trial, when
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they would get up and get down, which as you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: causes a stir in the courtroom when a family member
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: leaves or comes back, you know, that was all orchestrated.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: What they were wearing, what he's wearing, what his lawyers
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: are wearing, where they sit, how they look at the jury.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Everything is orchestrated down to a t. Explain.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: That's what he has done for his life, and that's
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: what's made him a really, really big star. The conflict
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: that he has is that he has been portraying himself
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: as quite a humble, gray haired, maybe now middle aged
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: gentleman who couldn't possibly do these awful things. And so
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: I think he's done a somewhat convincing job of that. However,
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: the real Diddy there he is is a fighter, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: he loves a fight, and if you come at him,
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: he's going to punch you back. And so these closing
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: arguments are typical Diddy. If you remember, before that tape
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: was released, that horrific tape you just showed us, Nancy,
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: Before that tape was released, his instinct was to punch
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: Cassie and to say she's a gold digger, she's after
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: my money. And many people, at least in the rap
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: community believe that until we saw this tape. So I
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: think once again now is reverting back to his natural instincts,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: which is to attack the victim, to make Cassie look
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: like a woman who might have had different types of judgment.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure it's going to work, Nancy, but I
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: do know there is quite a large population, quite a
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: large demographic, who do believe this.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: To you, Tisa Tails joining us outside the Manhan Federal Courthouse.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: As we wait on a verdict.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: The family there throughout those very long and extensive jury instructions. Today,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: jury instructions are with the judge verbatim reads the law,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and there were hundreds of pages of law to read.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: But the family sat through the whole thing. Describe what
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: was happening in the courtroom.
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: What was happening in the courtroom was to Rob's point,
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: did you every morning he does come out the door
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: like a celebrity. He walked in, he paused, almost like
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: he expected everyone to take pictures and whatnot.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: This is maybe eight feet he has to walk. He
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: walked to the side. He did his smile, He did
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: the love.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: He blew kisses at his family, told his daughters he
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: loved them, mouthed I love you, and then said nodding, nodding,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: nodding because he remembered he's supposed to be.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: A frail old man.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: He forget sometimes and then he solely SLINKs and stinks
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: into his chair. The whole time the judge was reading
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: the jury instructions, Diddy was looking down. Sometimes he tried
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: to look straight, then he would get bored and he
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: would look down again. But the family, with each jury
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: instruction that was read off, the family kept getting more
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: and more uncomfortable. At what point when they talked about
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: what it is to move prostitution across state lines, the
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: daughters looked at each other. It's always the twins, and
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: then the one little girl is in between them.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: They all looked at each other their physicality.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: Again, I get what Robs saying, a lot of people
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: in Diddy's camp think he's coming home.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: But these are the same people that thought that he'd
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: never get arrested.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: These are the same people that thought there was never
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: going to be a jarring jury investigation. These are the
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: same people that thought his house was never going to
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: be rid. Why do I bring that up because I
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: feel like the kids are right there in delusional land.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: But it was so interesting to see that with each
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: jury instruction, the family got more and more uncomfortable, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: they looked more and more nervous because as much as
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: you try to spend this, the law is the law,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: and maybe he won't be convicted of everything, but there
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: are certain things that when they read out, everybody knows.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: The prosecution proved back on their second, third, fourth day.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Again, some facts are just facts.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: And I think the kids they're getting a docal reality
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: when they're in the courtroom.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He is dragging the state star witness through the mud.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: So she's painting her to be this cheer, this liar,
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: this betrayer.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Very nineteen sixties coded misogyny.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Here's the law.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: There you go, there's all the love of Agnifolo is
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: talking about enclosing statements.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: She was no angel. He even accused Cassie of.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Saying she was raped because she was dating her husband,
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: or is Marth like.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: To put it, the oldest chick in the book. They
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: were looking at him like he was crazy. One person
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: had a look of disbelief. It was like a bomb
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: went off.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Tasa Tels Outside the Courthouse has just reported that inside
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: the courthouse, the word is did He's going down? But
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: not everybody agrees.
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: There's no drug possession charges, there's no like assault.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: There's not really charges that you can say.
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I don't want to send him to
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: prison for fifteen years, but I don't like him and
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: he's a bad person, so let's convict him of this
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: and he'll get a couple of.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Years, which is very often what juries do. True.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: He may be no legal scholar, that's from our prophet
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: on TikTok, but that's the point. This case is not
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: being determined or judged by legal scholars. Is being judged
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: by twelve jurors joining me. In addition to Tasa Tales
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Outside the Courthouse and All Star Panelts go straight out
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: to Eric Fattus, joining us veteran troial lawyer and founding
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: partner Varner Fattus elite legal Eric. While we may think
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the state has proven its case, it's really up to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the jury. And I mean the Vegas odds are fifty
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: to fifty right now, and I think that may reflect
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: what's going on. So just because the climate inside the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: courthouse is conviction oriented, Remember you're surrounded by bailiffs. Everybody
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in the courthouse, many of them work for the state,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that's the slant the jury's taking fattest.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: In fact, getting these takes you from the street and
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: from folks on YouTube. That could be a better glipse
• 29:47
  Speaker 8: into how these laid jurors are actually seeing this case. Look,
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: this is an uphill battle. It's not a slam dunk
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: by any means. We're talking about allegations over the course
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: of decades. There are all these moving parts, thirty four
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: different witnesses, conflicting evidence, credibility issues. When you put all
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: of that together, it's difficult to meet that burden of
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which is the highest burden
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: in the justice system.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Right now, we know Shawn Combs has been sweating bullets
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in the courtroom all day continuously looking over at the jury,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: darting his gaze over at them throughout the judge's instructions.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Joining me, Danny Pinter, Senior VP and Director of the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Law Center at the National Center on Sexual Exploitation.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Danny, when you hear phrase.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Is like, oh, she was gangster, straight up, she could
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: take on two three men at a time.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: She was a quote loose woman. She got paid. And
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: another moment, Agniffolo said he hit her twice, referring to
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I believe that was Jane. He only hit her twice.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: That's the defense.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I found it honestly disgusting, and I hope the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: jury does too.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I think it was weak and unpersuasive.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: And the defense went too far.
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: The jury has to contend with the facts, which I think,
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: you know, as a legal expert, I think they do.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: The prosecution met their burden.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: But what story is the jury going to believe? And
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: does the defense really think the jury is going to believe.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: The story that Cassie Ventura had all the power.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And it Diddy is the victim.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: I don't think anyone's buying.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Joining me now, Robert Crispin PI at Crispin Special Investigations.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: But for our purposes former Federal.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Task Force Officer U. S. D oj deea Miami Field
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Division former homicide from My Purposes Tonight, former vice and
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: you can find him at Crispininvestigations dot com. Robert the
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Robber hits Now it's go time. The evidence is in,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: the witnesses are gone. All that's left are the lawyers,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: the judge, Diddy and the jury.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Throughout the day, I believe we saw a.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Different Diddy, cautiously furtively glancing at the jury, darting his
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: eyes back and forth as those jury instructions were read.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I know the feeling because throughout a jury trial, I
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: would watch the judge, the witness, the jury, witness, jury, witness, jury.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: It's like a tennis match and you can't say anything.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: You can only.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Watch and observe, make notes throughout the jury instructures. Today,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Sean Combe's sweating bullets.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I think now Crispin's hitting.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Home and you've seen it a million times. It's all
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: big talk. Bravado. She is at She is.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: A quote loose woman.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: She straight up gangst believe white Red Agniffolo fixed his
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: mouth to say Cassie's gangst.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was way cringing.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: But now it's down to it and Comb's is sitting
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: there staring at the jury.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You've seen it happen a million times.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, this is good. This is gonna be tough
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: for both sides.
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: You know, the government's going to sit back and they're
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: going to wonder, did we do this right? The defense
• 33:24
  Speaker 10: is going to look back and say, did we say
• 33:26
  Speaker 10: the right thing in closing to put that reasonable doubt
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: just in one juur, just at one juror did I
• 33:32
  Speaker 10: do that?
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: Did I get that out there?
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: And Diddy's realizing that federal court is no joke.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Federal Court is the real deal.
• 33:40
  Speaker 11: And you know the videos, the electronic evidence, the witness testimony.
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: It all comes down to these people sitting in the
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: jury boxing, going back and thinking everything through and coming
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: up whether guilty or not guilty, and do they understand
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: the injury instructions? Those jury and stress are pretty intense,
• 34:01
  Speaker 11: especially the RICO and the racketeering, those are pretty intense. However,
• 34:05
  Speaker 11: what's going to be interesting is what are the questions
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: that are going to come out from the jury that
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: kind of gives us a telltale sign of where they're going.
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: What are they thinking what's the question. Why are they
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: asking this question about a certain piece of evidence? So
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: as time goes and ticks.
• 34:21
  Speaker 10: Away, we're going to kind of have a little bit
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: more idea once one of those questions start coming in,
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: or two questions.
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: This is a bad day for Diddy because I think
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: through all his testimony and making contact with the jury
• 34:36
  Speaker 11: and smiling, complimenting the judge and sitting back and leaning
• 34:40
  Speaker 11: forward and back in his chair.
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: Like he's a badass, that's different.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Today. His life is in the balance.
• 34:47
  Speaker 10: He is about to, if.
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: Found guilty, go to prison for the rest of his life.
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: That's a big pill to swallow.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Rob Shooter joining me hosted a naughty but Nice podcast
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  Speaker 2: and you can find him at a substack. Rob the
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  Speaker 2: daughters who have had to leave court several times in
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  Speaker 2: tears during the testimony, that's a whole other can of
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  Speaker 2: Worm's why he had his daughters and children in there
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  Speaker 2: listening to the worst of the worst from the state.
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  Speaker 2: They all dressed in black today, And I remember prosecuting.
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  Speaker 2: I never wore like red, yellow, vibrant orange because the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: cases I prosecuted were all violent felonies, and it just
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: seemed wrong. It just seemed inappropriate, and so it's a
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  Speaker 2: very solemn note. And you know that did he orchestrated
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  Speaker 2: right down to what they were wearing.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you're right, Nancy. What I will say
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  Speaker 6: though here is that there's a little bit of performance
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  Speaker 6: going on to with the kids. I don't want to
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: go after someone's kids for their parents' crimes, but it
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: has been on Dieted that public kids have had a
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  Speaker 6: really amazing life because of their dad and because of
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  Speaker 6: what their dad do and does and who they're d is.
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  Speaker 6: These are not the von Trapp family. They have seen
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: a lot. These kids have been around his parties, they've
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: been around.
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  Speaker 1: The von Trapp family.
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  Speaker 2: Did you just you're you're talking about what the seven
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  Speaker 2: children of.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me?
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  Speaker 2: And sound of music that would put on those frogs
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  Speaker 2: and seeing and the family music. First of all, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: the von Traps, they ain't.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead, they ain't that. This is a family that
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: has been around money, power, fame, celebrities, sex violence. They've
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: heard their dad songs, they've wrapped along to other rap artists.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: These are very aggressive lifestyles and they were born into
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: this lifestyle. So they're really used to seeing hearing and
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: maybe even participating in some very very very what we
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: would consider strange scenes, strange environments. So I wouldn't feel
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: too bad for the kids here. I think that they're
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: part of the Combes family. It's a deal that maybe
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: they didn't want to make, they had no choice in it,
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: but they've been born into this lifestyle and they have
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: benefited from their dad's success for his money.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm very surprised you brought up the von
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Trapp family. Weren't they raised by a nun sister Maria
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: remember her aka Julie Andrews. Okay, these children have not
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: been raised by a nun. Okay, but following up on
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: what you said to me, doctor Bethany Marshall, that makes
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: me feel for these children even more so because they.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Never had what I had.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Of course, I grew up on a red dirt road,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: drinking water from well my grandfather dug in the backyard.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, but you know what I did have.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I had a mother that took care of me and
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: a father. Both of them worked all day into the night,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: came home, had we with us, and they were there
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: for me. I mean, it ain't easy for my dad
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: to work on the railroad and my mom to work.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: At a factory.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Right, but they did, but we had love. These children
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: never had that constant in their life. Now they're sitting
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: in their dad's felony trial. A lot of people have
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: asked me, Wow, how do you feel about Christian cons
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: putting you on a disc track. I didn't see it
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: that way at all. I didn't see it as a
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: disc at all. I saw it as an adult son
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: trying to take up for his father. And I actually
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: feel bad that they're in that position.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I need two, Nancy.
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  Speaker 3: They've been raised in a culture of sex, abuse of violence,
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: a culture of narcissism, guns, multiple mothers, house siblings. You know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: it's just a very confusing environment. And you know this
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: is going to be a therapeutic experience for them sitting
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: in court because they have to take in all kinds
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: of information about it.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: You lost your mind? Have you lost your mind?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: You're calling your father accused of sex trafficking therapeutic? Okay, yes,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: I call You're out the Beverly Hills and I was
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: raised on a dirt road, But iin nothing therapeutic about
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: hearing the try about your father that he's tress.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: So I do, Nancy, because they have to be in reality.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: They've been lived and they've been raised in an upside
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: down world. Listen to what Agnipolos said today. Okay, so
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: when he says that Cassie Ventura was just trying to
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: please her man, you know, just because your man wants
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: it and you don't, but you're going to do it
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: to make him happy. He's basically saying women need to
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: take it up.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: As an analyst, I hear all the metaphors. I help
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: those kids sitting in court carrying all this degradation of
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: women have a good therapist to talk to so they
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: can make sense of it, and all of this putting
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: women down because Cassie Ventura got twenty million dollars. You know,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: with Michael Jackson when he paid his first victim thirty
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: million dollars, we didn't say that nine.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Year old was a gold digger.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: We said Michael Jackson must have done something.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Really, really bad if he paid out thirty million dollars
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: and all this money. I think it is because it's
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: because P Diddy really needs to cover his tracks.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Not everyone agrees with the Didty team.
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: Listen, well, yours actually next week, we'll start deliberating. But
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: what they're going to remember is what happened at that
• 40:32
  Speaker 12: hotel right behind me.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Tell it man, that's from Oris Apato at TikTok straight
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: out to the courthouse to Sydney Sumner Crime Story's investigative reporter,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: what happened.
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: Judge Supermanian wrapped up jury instructions and sent the five
• 40:48
  Speaker 9: alternates home, of course, reminding them to stay by their
• 40:51
  Speaker 9: phones and stay off social media on the chance they
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: may be called up to the final jury. Now, the
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: final jury was sent off to begin to live. They
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: needed to choose a four person before they got any
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: further into their discussions, and that decision was made pretty quickly.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: Juror number five selected as the jury four person. Now,
• 41:11
  Speaker 9: with the jury out of the room, Judge supermani and
• 41:14
  Speaker 9: did stop to congratulate both the prosecutors and the defense
• 41:17
  Speaker 9: on a case well tried and well defended before Sean
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: Colmes was sent off to his holding cell. Colmes was
• 41:24
  Speaker 9: allowed to bring a book with him and he will
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: remain in that cell until the jury ends their deliberations
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: for the day or comes back with a verdict, and
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: that could be after five pm. Supermani and left their
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: schedule up to the jurors. As Colmes was led away
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: from the courtroom, his family all stood, they were holding hands,
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: their heads were bowed, and when Judge Supermani and got
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: off the bench, they actually started clapping before they made
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: their own way out of the courtroom. Now it wasn't
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: long before we heard some movement from the jury. They
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: actually passed a note to the judge and it expressed
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: concern over one of the jurors on this final panel.
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: They were afraid that Juror number twenty five cannot follow
• 42:05
  Speaker 9: the instructions that Judge Supermanian gave them. So it's unclear
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: exactly what happened in that deliberation room, but there's apparently
• 42:13
  Speaker 9: already some dissonance back there. Ultimately, Judge Supermanian didn't make
• 42:17
  Speaker 9: any move to have some kind of confrontation with Juror
• 42:21
  Speaker 9: twenty five, sending a note back that just said, you've
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: heard my instructions, you need to follow them. That's the
• 42:26
  Speaker 9: duty that you were charged with.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: What will the jury do?
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: We are in a verdict watch and now we remember
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: an American hero officer, Jacob Chaffin's Prestonburg PD just twenty eight,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: shot in the line of duty after three years with
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: l E. Lee's behind, wife Savannah, and daughter Paisley. American
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Hero officer Jacob Chaffins, Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend
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  Speaker 11: Y.