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NYC Mayor Targets Fictional Anti-Semitism | DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas · DeProgram with Ted Rall and Jamarl Thomas

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  Good morning. It's Wednesday, September 30th,
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  2026. This is DeProgram with Ted Rall and
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  Jamarl Thomas. Thank you for joining us. We're
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  going to break down news and current events for
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  the day. Wait, are we on? I don't see us. We're
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  not? Let's see. I don't see us. I'm seeing us
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  on YouTube. 32 people. Let's see. There we are.
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  There we are. Oh, okay. Yeah. Sometimes it stays.
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  Yeah. I have to take it out. And otherwise you
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  get a black screen. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank
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  you. All right. Good. Good game. Thank you. Yeah.
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  And yeah, Rumble Studios is hinky sometimes.
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  So anyway, thanks for joining us. We're here
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  today because it's Wednesday from 9 to 11 a.m.,
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  which means you get two full hours with us. The
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  second hour will be dedicated to the Q&A. All
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  right, let's get into what we're talking about
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  today. Among other things, and among what you're
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  talking about, caving into Zionists, Mayor Mamdani
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  has released a report claiming that American
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  Jews are victimized by a rise in anti-Semitism.
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  I did a deep dive. There was no such thing. There's
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  no data. It's completely made up. The Cornell
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  rape case, we'll be talking about that, the alleged
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  gang rape case and the complications in that.
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  And I have some, not personal, but I have some
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  insight in that a similar case took place when
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  I was in college at Columbia University. This
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  is a funny story about Trump. He tried to loot
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  hundreds of millions of dollars of Venezuelan
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  gold. But basically, leave it to Donald Trump
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  to end up screwing up to the point where the
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  gold can't be used. He literally has the most
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  worthless gold in the world. We'll talk about
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  that. The U.S. Supreme Court is allowing Trump
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  to resume sending, deporting immigrants to countries
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  that they have no association or relation to
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  whatsoever. But that's temporary until they rule
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  permanently. ICE is hiring another 5,000 mooks.
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  And the Trump administration is going to add
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  a citizenship question, seems innocuous enough,
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  on the Form 1040, which is the form that Americans
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  fill out their tax returns on. A lot to get into.
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  And that's not even getting into the weird Emirati
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  plane and a bunch of other stuff. So good morning,
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  Jamarl. Thanks. Always good to see you. Always
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  good to see you, too. What's the Emirati plane
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  thing? So Emirates Airlines has a discount carrier
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  called flydubai. And apparently, there was a
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  flight en route from the UAE to Israel, of all
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  places. Apparently, there was a kerfuffle between
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  the pilot and co-pilot. They got into it, and
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  they were mixing it up with fisticuffs in the
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  cockpit. Fell 17,000 feet, terrorizing the passengers
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  aboard. Fortunately, it didn't crash. They were
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  forced to divert to Saudi Arabia. The Saudis
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  were, of course, displeased. And so
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  the question now is what the hell were these
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  two arguing about? And I keep
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  thinking about the case of that plane, that
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  German pilot who basically flew a
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  plane into the Alps just because he wasn't feeling
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  happy about his life. Say, hey, dude, kill yourself.
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  But really, do you have to take the
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  rest of us with you? Yeah, it's always such a
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  trash move. It just is, right? It's
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  sorry. It is. I'm sorry that everybody who's
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  on this plane is going to die with me. It's
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  why? Why do they have to die with me? You could
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  have eaten your gun. He could jump off a bridge.
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  Nothing wrong with it. It's a dramatic death.
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  No, it's not. It's very dramatic and really not
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  cool. And totally, if there's
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  an afterlife, people are going to be
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  giving him shit for that. So, yeah, these two,
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  they're going to try to figure it out.
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  I have to admit that my first thought was,
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  maybe they were arguing about Israel because
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  they were on their way to Israel. They're two
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  Arab pilots. Maybe they were, we shouldn't
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  be flying to Israel or fuck Israel if they got
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  into it. And they were having a little micro
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  fight about Zionism versus anti-Semitism. And
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  one thing led to another. They're punching each
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  other in the cockpit. By the way, this would
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  be an argument for how a lot of planes, a lot
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  of airlines, they used to have a third and fourth
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  person routinely in the cockpit, right? There
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  was a navigator and there was an assistant, assistant
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  pilot, a co-pilot, right? There are probably
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  people watching and listening who
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  know more about this. But there used to be,
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  now it's not uncommon for there to
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  just be two people in the cockpit at any given
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  time. It's not a bad thing to have a third and
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  a fourth just because. And obviously
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  they just want to cut costs. But
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  I would think in a situation like this, it would
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  have been nice to have someone, hey,
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  you two assholes, cut it out. People are professionals.
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  One would hope. Yeah, yeah. Well, there's also that.
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  There's the Malaysian flight too, right? It
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  seems to me there were all sorts
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  of dark conspiracies, it was diverted to
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  Kazakhstan or whatever, but look, the
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  plane did go into the Indian Ocean. We know that.
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  And parts of it washed ashore in the middle.
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  I was at Île de la Réunion, right, the French. How
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  do you know it wasn't sucked into a black hole
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  like Don Lemon hypothesized? That could
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  have happened. Well, if so, the black hole didn't
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  take the tail or part of the wing. Maybe it was
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  taking lessons from Trump or he was just incompetent.
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  Oh, you're talking about Malaysian flight, what
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  is it, 1-0 something? Yeah. Because
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  there's conspiracy theories about that. Lots
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  of them, yeah. But look, the plane was... Plane
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  and stuff like that. But wreckage was washed
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  ashore in the Réunion and other places, right?
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  So we know it went into the Indian Ocean. We
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  just don't know why. It could have been
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  anything, right? It could have been one of those
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  things. Remember the golfer who gas-filled up
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  his plane and then he basically passed out and
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  just ran out of fuel and that was the end of
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  it? That can happen on a commercial jet. There's
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  also a possibility that the guy committed suicide,
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  right? Same sort of thing. Yeah. It's, if
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  you want to do it, do it by yourself. Don't take
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  other people with you. Oh, by the way, Marine
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  Le Pen. I was looking at, I was covering, I had
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  a European guest today that covered European
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  politics. And we were going into, well, we didn't
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  get into Marine Le Pen. I figured I'd get into
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  that with you. She, her party, National Rally,
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  apparently has won some kind of honors or electoral
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  advancement. But it seems that they're going
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  after Jordan Bardella on some kind of anti-Semitic
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  comments, quote unquote, that he supposedly made
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  at some point. It seems like this is the angle
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  to which they're trying to attack the party.
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  It's interesting, right? Look,
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  she looks like a shoo-in, which puts a big fat
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  target on her back. Yes, it does. In a big way.
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  By the way, following up that story about the
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  Spanish. To strike the Spanish sit-ins in Madrid.
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  That seems to have been resolved in a way that
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  only a European country could get things done
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  in a way that Americans can't. First of all,
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  the company that evicted her decided to let her
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  back in. They gave her a new lease, which is
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  actually less than she was paying originally
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  for the next eight years. She's 87 years old,
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  so hopefully she'll live another eight years.
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  But anyway, that should cover her for a while.
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  So she'll be paying about $460. Everybody's happy.
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  And the Spanish government is going to jam through
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  a giant package to try to provide financial
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  relief to distressed renters and other people
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  who are suffering from inflation in
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  Spain. So they protested and the protests made
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  gains. Yeah. Yeah. And also take note, lefties, this
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  was not a protest that was held every four months
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  weather allowing on Saturdays. This was a
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  protest that greatly inconvenienced the
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  powers that be, right? They took over a public
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  square in the country, in the nation's
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  capital. They were there several days in a row.
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  They went into the week, into the work week, and
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  that's when things, that's when the Spanish
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  parliament got serious and took care of it.
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  I think that would happen here if
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  you had similar
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  resolve on the part. BLM was every day
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  and it made a difference until it didn't, right?
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  But that's the thing too. You always have
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  to hold the elite's feet
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  to the fire in that. It doesn't
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  you don't win and then go away and then it stays
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  won. Victories have to be protected, fought
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  for. It's a constant struggle because the oppressors,
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  they work 24/7, 7 days a week, 365 days a year,
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  and you better too if you want to take them on.
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  I don't know what Black BLM got though. What did
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  they get? Well, temporarily, right? They
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  got body cameras. They were supposed
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  to defund the police in cities like Minneapolis.
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  They were on the right track. And then
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  they stopped holding the elite's feet to the
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  fire. And in fairness to BLM, the lockdown came
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  to an end and people had to go back to work in
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  offices and stuff. And that was the end of that.
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  They didn't get anything in the long run, but
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  there were going to be concessions. Yeah. If
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  that's true, then we have no excuse for anything.
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  There is no excuse for anything. We don't do
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  shit. Look, every gain in this
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  country, right: civil rights,
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  feminism, gay rights, rights for the
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  disabled, everything, abolitionism,
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  it all, women's suffrage, it all came
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  as the result of sustained, aggressive
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  political agitation. And it involved, in some
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  cases, violence and nonviolence. The
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  suffragettes were violent. People forget
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  that. It's at a certain point,
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  husbands were worried that their wives were going
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  to poison them or stab them to death while
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  they were sleeping. It was
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  just that's how
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  it works. And for the last 50 years, we've forgotten
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  how to do that. Yeah. Why do you think we forgot
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  how to do that? I rack my brain. I don't know.
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  I've racked my brain about that over and over.
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  Spain didn't forget. France didn't forget. None
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  of those countries forget. So it's not a technological
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  difference. It's not
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  they're all watching TV or they're
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  all, they have TV. They have
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  the same distractions we do, so I don't
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  get it. The closest. I don't know.
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  I'll say one thing. What they don't do
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  in those tactically, one thing that they do not
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  do in European countries is have this peace
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  police kind of mentality where, for
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  people who don't know, if you go to a lefty protest
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  in the U.S., they will have the peace police,
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  which is a group of protesters who will prevent
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  any more aggressive, Black Bloc type
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  people from mixing it up with the police or throwing
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  stuff at them. And they basically, they're trying
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  to keep things nonviolent, even to the point
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  of doing the cop's job for them by ejecting the
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  more aggressive factions of their own movement.
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  Yeah, that's kind of the point. You've got to
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  have the whole thing, right? There's
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  nothing wrong with nonviolence. I have this debate
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  all the time with my friend David Swanson. But
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  nonviolence is a crucial part of political change.
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  But there's got to be either violence or the
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  credible threat of violence to close the deal.
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  Otherwise, the elites don't give anything up.
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  The Martin Luther King, Malcolm X thing. You
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  need both. Both were necessary. It's
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  hey, you want to carry the stick Malcolm X is
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  talking about, armed rebellion and revolution.
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  Martin Luther King is talking about peace. Which
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  one do you want? And they're like, yeah, let's take
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  the peacenik. Yeah, yeah, we'll take that. We'll
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  take that one. Yeah, we'll take that one. We don't
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  want that one, right? We like that one. It's that
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  one scares us. That's part of the issue, right?
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  It's you're having these protests and it's
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  everybody be quiet, everybody be calm, everybody
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  be blah blah blah. Okay, nobody cares. Yeah, nobody
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  cares. Nobody cares about your King's protests.
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  Nobody does. It's not even an inconvenience,
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  right? No, I agree with you on this.
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  I put a clip in the thing of Ro Khanna. I don't
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  know if you saw this clip with Ro Khanna having
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  a conversation and they asked Ro Khanna if Iran
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  has a right to self-defense. And Ro Khanna effectively
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  says yes, and then effectively says no. And then
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  even the host is like, I'm not trying to condone
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  violence. And it's what do you mean you're
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  not trying to condone violence? They're literally
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  being militarily attacked. Whether people are
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  being killed, violence is already happening.
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  It's justified violence. And yet they still can't
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  bring themselves to say it's justified violence.
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  And also they can't bring themselves to shut
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  up about Israel, about Iran not being
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  allowed to develop a nuclear weapon. It's
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  you can think that you can just think,
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  I don't want nuclear proliferation or I don't
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  think Iran can be trusted. I don't think those
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  things. But you're allowed to think
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  those things. But if you are playing the
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  role of a progressive Democrat or a real liberal,
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  you should just leave that talking point
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  to the right-wingers and just let them have
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  it and just focus on the injustice of the war
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  and the violence that it's causing and the inconvenience
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  that it's causing here in the U.S. to consumers.
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  They can't do that. And in fact, Ro Khanna can't
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  even make the claim that I put the clip in. I
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  don't know if you want to play the clip and we
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  can get to it later if you want in the Q&A or
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  something like that. But we can play it. Ro Khanna's
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  answer. And he keeps getting himself in this
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  situation. To his credit, Ro Khanna would go in
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  interviews, to his credit and to his credit. He
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  would talk up the Palestinian issue. More so
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  than others. In fact, he even went to the West
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  Bank. He was the one that the settlers looked
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  like they were going to injure at one point,
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  but basically kept him from going the way he
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  pleased. And yet he still gets stuck in these
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  political thickets where what he's saying makes
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  no sense. That's the clip. We can play it. Yeah,
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  all right. Let it roll. Let's move to a simpler
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  topic, Iran. So on Iran, I know that Iran was
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  attacked by the U.S. and Israel twice. And I just
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  want to ask you, do you think Iran has the right
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  to defend itself? Well, any nation. Of course,
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  under the UN Charter, every nation has a right
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  to self-defense, but I do not believe that Iran
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  has acted in compliance with international law.
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  Now, I was opposed to the Iran war. I'm
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  opposed to the war that we're waging, but I don't
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  think Iran should be in any way attacking American
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  military installations. What? Saudis or... I'm
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  not going to... What the fuck? First of all,
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  what's with the uh, uh, uh? It's the easiest
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  question in the fucking world to answer. Do I
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  like coffee in the morning? Yeah, I love it.
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  Does Iran have a right to defend itself? Fuck
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  yeah. It's fire hot. Yes. It's easy.
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  All countries have the right to defend themselves.
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  Especially if they're attacked. Well,
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  that's what defense means, right? Not
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  like the Israel thing, where if we
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  our right to defend ourselves means that we get
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  to start wars with all our neighbors all the
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  time and kill the locals. That's not
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  self-defense. But self-defense, yeah. And then,
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  of course, oh, that means they don't have
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  the right to attack U.S. military bases. The
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  U.S. military bases, which are being used as
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  launching pads against Iran where missiles
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  are being fired from those bases at Iran and
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  where those are supply depots for U.S.
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  weapons being used against Iran. They have
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  every right under international law to strike
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  those bases. Every right. Yes. That response is
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  insane. Or do you just not know it? What is
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  it? He knows it and it's well they have a
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  right to respond. Okay. But not against our military
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  bases. Okay, so who should they respond to?
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  Are you saying they should go after civilians?
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  What are you saying? They should send a
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  firmly worded letter? Yeah, it's so dumb. They
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  should post on TikTok? What should they do? More
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  Lego videos? For our Congress to come and stop
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  the president from murdering our population.
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  That's what they should do. He's out of his fucking
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  mind. What, words are violence? He's out of his
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  mind. He's an idiot. Words of violence. What
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  you should do is send a letter. Say, we respectfully
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  ask that you please stop attacking us. Pretty
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  please with sugar on top. And if you don't, we're
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  going to be required to reach out to the United
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  Nations and ask them to condemn you, in which
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  case you'll just simply veto it. Yeah. It's nonsense.
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  This is the whole violence thing, right? They
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  obviously had it right. And not just right. Well,
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  they actually have a duty to their own people.
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  They have a duty to kill as many U.S. service
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  members and destroy as many bases and any other
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  ships as possible. You kill your enemy, period.
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  And they have a right to do it, considering we're
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  the ones that attacked them, not the other way
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  around. And Ro Khanna, for whatever particular
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  reason, can say, yes, well, under international
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  law, they have a right to defend themselves.
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  But apparently they don't have the right to attack
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  military bases that are doing the attacks. Let's
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  keep rolling this bullshit. Let's do it. Because
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  by the way, they're acting exactly what we're
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  saying. It's interesting because if we're
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  attacking if we're attacking
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  their military installation, please for one second
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  if we're attacking them and attacking their military
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  installations and as you know there was, we also
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  attacked civilian infrastructure and civilian.
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  We attacked the monop school where 168
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  young children and teachers were killed. We
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  we've attacked a sports complex where young people
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  were killed as well. So it's hard to reconcile
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  the idea that they should not respond by attacking
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  military bases because that's where the attacks
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  are coming from. So I'm not condoning violence
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  in any way, shape, or form. So whoever is watching
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  this, that's not what this is about. But how
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  do you justify saying that they have no right
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  to attack U.S. military bases? Again, I'm not
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  asking you to condone that. I'm just saying there's
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  got to be a sense of justice here. And it seems
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  like if we're going to attack them, them responding
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  in self-defense makes sense from a world order
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  perspective. I fundamentally believe that we
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  shouldn't be in that war. And Thomas Massie and
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  I led the effort to oppose the war. And I believe
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  that the school shooting needs to be investigated.
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  And if there are people who took that action
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  with negligence, they need to be held accountable
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  and prosecuted. My focus is ending the war. But
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  the Iranian regime is a regime that has committed
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  genuine human rights abuses with the IRGC and
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  engaged in genuine acts in aiding terrorism.
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  So I'm not going to apologize. I don't think the
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  answer to that is to engage in regime change
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  war, but I also don't think that we should
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  be in any way condoning the Iranian regime
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  which in my view is illegitimate in terms of
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  the consent of its own people from a moral perspective
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  and has killed dissidents and committed human
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  rights violations nor should we be condoning
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  them lashing out and attacking other nations.
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  I just would not criticize our
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  own government for starting the war. You're dumb.
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  He's stupid and he's a weasel. He's not even
• 22:08
  good at being a weasel. This is a Sonali response.
• 22:12
  Yeah. It's not even a good Sonali response. No,
• 22:15
  Sonali would have done a better job. Yeah, she
• 22:18
  would have done a better job explaining this.
• 22:19
  He's trying to basically say, well, Iran
• 22:22
  is illegitimate. When the Ayatollah died and
• 22:25
  you had more people come to that funeral than
• 22:28
  any funeral in the history of funerals, that
• 22:30
  doesn't seem like an illegitimate government
• 22:32
  to me. Meaning it doesn't seem illegitimate,
• 22:35
  especially now with the overwhelming majority
• 22:37
  of the population backs its government against
• 22:40
  this criminal war that the United States initiated.
• 22:43
  This is fucking outrageous. We are out there
• 22:45
  murdering fishermen in Venezuela and we're still
• 22:47
  doing it, by the way. And he's like, well, they've
• 22:50
  committed terrorism. It's that's exactly
• 22:53
  what I'm saying. It's sort of
• 22:55
  look. I do DMZ with Scott
• 23:00
  Stantis. And before we got to be friends, we
• 23:03
  were enemies. And one of the reasons I was pissed
• 23:06
  off at him was he was the president of the Cartoonist
• 23:09
  Association. And I did a controversial cartoon.
• 23:12
  He was invited on Fox News to basically talk
• 23:15
  about cartooning. And so they went after him
• 23:19
  and said, would you have ever drawn that cartoon
• 23:20
  that Ted Rall drew? He should not have taken
• 23:23
  the bait. He should have been like, Ted Rall
• 23:25
  has the right to draw any fucking cartoon he
• 23:27
  wants. We have the First Amendment, free speech,
• 23:30
  shut the fuck up. Yeah, but that cartoon's outrageous.
• 23:33
  I don't give a shit what he drew. That's all
• 23:35
  he should have said, right? But he said, well,
• 23:37
  I wouldn't have drawn that cartoon. To his eternal
• 23:41
  credit, approached me and he was like, oh my
• 23:43
  God, I knew I fucked up the second I said it.
• 23:45
  I was really tired. I wasn't sharp.
• 23:47
  That can happen. And he was like,
• 23:50
  I apologize. I should have fucking
• 23:52
  I didn't do the thing. The whole point is a full-throated,
• 23:55
  if you're anti-war, then you're,
• 23:59
  if you're anti the Iran war, then be anti the
• 24:01
  Iran war. Don't be anti the Iran war, but also
• 24:04
  the Iranian government sucks and I wish they
• 24:07
  were overthrown. You're allowed to think
• 24:09
  that. You're really allowed to think that
• 24:12
  there's lots of people in Iran who don't like
• 24:14
  their government but that's not really the point
• 24:17
  here, is it? You can have a separate discussion
• 24:19
  about that at another time but this is the big
• 24:22
  topic here, right? And it's missing the point.
• 24:26
  And that's what I mean. And when you're
• 24:29
  giving, you don't see the pro-war people
• 24:33
  ever give quarter to the other side in that way.
• 24:36
  You're never going to see Republicans on Fox
• 24:38
  News. You're never going to see Sean Hannity
• 24:39
  say, well, I'm totally for the war
• 24:43
  and I think it's great that we're doing it, but
• 24:46
  really we should have laid off that school
• 24:48
  and we've been kind of sloppy in our targeting.
• 24:50
  No, they don't give any quarter at all, right?
• 24:53
  It's only the so-called fake lefties in this
• 24:56
  country that get to play progressives
• 24:58
  on TV who ever do that, right? The right-wingers,
• 25:02
  the Trumpies, the pre-Trump Republicans,
• 25:05
  none of them ever do that and it just drives
• 25:08
  me crazy. Yeah, it's aggravating to me. For
• 25:12
  one the answer makes no sense and he's caught
• 25:14
  in a contradiction immediately. Yeah. Do they have
• 25:17
  a right to stuff? Yes, but then, but whoa. What's
• 25:21
  his butt stuff? Well, I guess there could
• 25:23
  be a but like if they have nuclear weapons,
• 25:26
  I hope they don't use them. That could be a but.
• 25:29
  But even so, he shouldn't say that right now.
• 25:32
  It's not the point. Yeah. It's but I don't
• 25:36
  like their government. Well, they don't like
• 25:38
  yours either, right? Yeah, and our government
• 25:39
  sucks and everything that he accused the Iranian
• 25:42
  government of doing. And there's lots of legit
• 25:44
  criticisms to be made of the Iranian government.
• 25:46
  But we're worse. Okay. Yeah. And all the human
• 25:50
  rights abuses we do at a much bigger scale. Well,
• 25:54
  did y'all see yesterday at Trump's press conference
• 25:56
  at the Elon where a reporter asked him, Mr. President,
• 25:59
  why is it that North Korea can have a nuke,
• 26:02
  I saw, Iran can't? He's like, well, because I like
• 26:04
  the North Koreans. I don't like the Iranians. But
• 26:07
  no. No, because they have one and you can't take
• 26:11
  it away from them. That's why. That's all. By the
• 26:13
  way that question in and of itself can only be
• 26:15
  asked in the empire. You can never ask that question
• 26:18
  anywhere else because it would never make sense
• 26:19
  anywhere else. What does the U.S. have to do
• 26:22
  with North Korea having any, meaning a sovereign
• 26:25
  state has a nuke. It is hey, why is it
• 26:27
  okay for this sovereign state to have a nuke
• 26:29
  for the other one? Well, for one, they're a sovereign
• 26:31
  state. I don't have anything to do with it. I
• 26:33
  don't have any power over it. And part of the
• 26:35
  reason I don't have power over it is because
• 26:37
  what Robby pointed out, they have nukes. But
• 26:39
  it's an empire question. It's a question that
• 26:42
  the media and the empire would ask because nobody
• 26:43
  else in the world would make it would make sense.
• 26:45
  Hey, why should they be able to do so? Why should
• 26:48
  Ted Rall be able to have a girlfriend? Well,
• 26:50
  what the fuck do I have to do with Ted Rall's
• 26:51
  girlfriend? Yeah, it's nothing to you. Yeah,
• 26:55
  it's nothing to you. It's none of your business.
• 26:57
  It's a sovereign state. They do what they want.
• 26:59
  So how am I, how are you asking me, why should
• 27:03
  a sovereign state be able to do something that
• 27:05
  a sovereign state has the power to do? And again,
• 27:08
  I keep pointing out, if Iran had a nuke, this
• 27:09
  war wouldn't be taking place. We have a comment
• 27:13
  from Fortech. I missed the start of today's show.
• 27:16
  Did they mention the letter to the American people
• 27:18
  by the IRGC? No, but I don't even know what that
• 27:22
  is. Do you guys know? Basically, it's
• 27:25
  I don't remember the thing. I saw the letter and
• 27:28
  I think I even copied it. But yeah, basically,
• 27:34
  if I remember correctly. This war is not about,
• 27:37
  it's kind of what Russia does. What Russia is
• 27:39
  like, look, Europeans, we're not trying to have
• 27:41
  a war with you. Your world leaders are idiots.
• 27:43
  They're driving you to the brink of destruction,
• 27:46
  stuff like that. If I remember correctly, maybe
• 27:48
  I'm thinking about it. Off. Okay, so Blake has
• 27:57
  just kicked in $5 for the Ted's rack of big old
• 28:02
  titties. Let's go fund. So we now get down to,
• 28:07
  let's see, $4,968. Thank you for the $5. Keep
• 28:15
  going. I was kind of wondering if those guys
• 28:17
  had forgotten about it. No, the titty fund's
• 28:20
  still on. Justice says mainstream white women's
• 28:24
  suffrage leaders often used racist, nativist,
• 28:27
  and elitist rhetoric, marginalizing Black women
• 28:30
  and people of color to advance white women's
• 28:32
  voting rights. That's true, and that legacy continues
• 28:36
  with a lot of the rhetoric of white feminism
• 28:38
  these days, but that's probably for another day,
• 28:41
  for another time, because we could do a six-hour
• 28:43
  show with all the news today. Jackson, military
• 28:48
  bases are being attacked. It's because of the
• 28:50
  U.S., you agree, Robby? I'm sure. Of course.
• 28:56
  Swing voters seems like a humanity. Kill and to die.
• 28:59
  By the way. Guys, and we haven't
• 29:05
  even gotten into any of our official topics today.
• 29:08
  Today is, it's so funny, not with a
• 29:12
  bang, but a whimper. The U.S. officially withdrew
• 29:15
  from Iraq. The war in Iraq finished yesterday.
• 29:20
  That's my main story today. So I got the cliff
• 29:23
  notes of the letter. So it's a 25-page letter.
• 29:26
  I'm going to download the whole thing. So basically
• 29:28
  this is the rundown because I'm not going to
• 29:30
  read 25 pages. I don't want to put that to anybody.
• 29:33
  We don't hate Americans. Iran declares itself
• 29:36
  the victor in the current war, which is true.
• 29:39
  Hormuz, Iran says that because of geography,
• 29:42
  they control it. The United States tried to take
• 29:44
  it away from them. They failed. And to make that
• 29:47
  point clear, Iran actually this morning, I saw
• 29:50
  this, attacked three tankers that are being escorted
• 29:53
  by the U.S. Navy with drones, all three of them
• 29:56
  have been put out of action. And basically, the
• 29:59
  Iranians are calling for the American people
• 30:01
  to stand up and take their government back. So
• 30:04
  that you claim to be a republic, a government
• 30:06
  of the people, that people reject this war. So
• 30:10
  it's incumbent on the American people to stand
• 30:11
  up and take the government back and to restore
• 30:13
  their agency, which I agree with. I like it.
• 30:18
  I just sort of did a cartoon to that effect.
• 30:21
  All right. Well, so. All right. So we should.
• 30:24
  All right. We've got stuff to talk about. Should
• 30:26
  we talk about Mayor Mamdani? This kind of drives
• 30:30
  me absolutely insane. Wait, real quick. The fly
• 30:33
  plane, there's more information on it. So it
• 30:35
  says, after much confusion, it turns out that
• 30:37
  a Ukrainian and a Russian pilots were on board
• 30:39
  the flydubai plane. Both took control of the
• 30:43
  plane and landed it after a second pilot attacked
• 30:47
  the captain. It says both of the pilots who were
• 30:51
  flying as regular passengers and a civilian.
• 30:54
  Clothes. After the incident, they replaced the
• 30:56
  crew in the cockpit and landed the plane. Russian-Ukrainians
• 30:59
  working together. Yeah, that's kind
• 31:02
  of, I was just going to say that. That's kind
• 31:04
  of awesome. That's wild. Yeah. That's
• 31:08
  just wild. I couldn't imagine being on a plane
• 31:11
  that dropped 17,000 feet. Talk about
• 31:13
  your life passed before your eyes. No doubt.
• 31:15
  No doubt. Let me put up this cartoon. Let's see.
• 31:24
  Yeah, I think I can do it this way. Okay. Okay.
• 31:32
  So this is a cartoon that I'm putting out next
• 31:34
  week, right? But it shows 1945. It shows
• 31:38
  the Nuremberg trial. And an American prosecutor
• 31:40
  says, the German people bear collective guilt.
• 31:44
  They should have fought the Nazis and overthrown
• 31:46
  Hitler. Then, this year,
• 31:50
  a guy on the sofa in his house, protest
• 31:53
  march in that drizzle? Right. Oh, right, right.
• 32:03
  It is like that. It is ridiculous.
• 32:06
  It's the point that I make, the apathy. But by
• 32:09
  the way I do think we are paying for the apathy.
• 32:11
  We're $40 trillion in debt. We're paying
• 32:14
  for the apathy whether we do it directly or not.
• 32:16
  True. And we're paying at the pump too although
• 32:18
  it still drives me crazy that we care about our
• 32:20
  gas prices more than we care about the people
• 32:22
  we're murdering. Yeah. Okay, so Zohran? Yes. All
• 32:28
  right. I guess in this case, you can mess with
• 32:30
  the Zohran. So caving in, Mayor Mamdani, obviously
• 32:35
  taking a lot of pressure from the Zionist lobby,
• 32:38
  issued a report in which, of course, nothing
• 32:44
  was going to go far enough for the Zionists.
• 32:46
  But basically, the report says that American
• 32:49
  Jews have reported a marked rise in anti-Semitism
• 32:52
  in the last decade. It says that basically the
• 32:58
  city of New York wants to do more funding and
• 33:02
  they want to sort of form a little department
• 33:05
  to combat anti-Semitism. This will be like the
• 33:09
  Maytag repairman, the ultimate no-show job.
• 33:12
  I want a job on this commission because they
• 33:14
  literally won't have any work to do. So it's
• 33:17
  going to be awesome. They're going to be paid
• 33:19
  not to do anything. I looked this up and I would
• 33:21
  ask anybody to Google this, use your favorite
• 33:24
  AI, whatever. Ask any search engine, what are
• 33:30
  the statistics of anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish
• 33:33
  attacks, whether they're attacks on property
• 33:37
  or they're attacks on people that are separated
• 33:42
  from anything having to do with the genocide
• 33:44
  in Gaza, criticism of Israel, or Zionism. In
• 33:49
  other words, attacking Jewish people for being
• 33:51
  Jewish. And the answer to that question is that
• 33:54
  there is literally no count whatsoever. No organization
• 33:58
  tracks these things at all. And the Anti-Defamation
• 34:04
  League, basically, they count all criticism of
• 34:09
  Israel as being an anti-Semitic attack. And
• 34:13
  so they've changed the numbers, right? So they're
• 34:17
  they changed the calculus. It didn't used
• 34:19
  to be like that. So they were able to say,
• 34:21
  oh my God, there's been a massive increase. Well,
• 34:24
  sure. If I start including
• 34:26
  every time a Jewish person gets a flat tire while
• 34:29
  driving a car as an anti-Semitic attack, yeah,
• 34:31
  you're going to also see a spike in anti-Semitic
• 34:34
  attacks. But the point is, there is literally
• 34:37
  zero, not only is there zero data to support
• 34:40
  this, right? But on top of that, it sort of doesn't
• 34:44
  pass the smell test because it's not
• 34:47
  we read the paper every day.
• 34:49
  It's not like every day, every now
• 34:51
  and then there's oh my God, this person
• 34:53
  was attacked for being Jewish. I read the
• 34:56
  Columbia University report where during the student
• 35:00
  protests, during the encampments, all
• 35:03
  these Jewish students claim to have been attacked.
• 35:05
  Right. And there's all these I feel unsafe on
• 35:08
  campus. And literally, I was so frustrated because
• 35:12
  I thought there must have been actual anti-Semitic
• 35:14
  attacks. There just must have been because the
• 35:17
  atmosphere was so overheated. There must have
• 35:18
  been people who were intemperate assholes who
• 35:21
  were pro-Palestinian who said shit that was
• 35:23
  wrong, right? Okay, but if that happened,
• 35:27
  it's nowhere in the report. There isn't a single
• 35:31
  incident that is cited of that kind of thing
• 35:34
  happening. So I'm sure it's happened, but the
• 35:37
  point is... It's literally statistically
• 35:41
  non-existent. It's a rounding error. It's not
• 35:43
  something, and it frustrates me to no end that
• 35:47
  Mamdani, in an effort to get the Zionist lobby
• 35:50
  off his ass, first of all, this which will not
• 35:53
  work, because they're already criticizing him
• 35:55
  for this. They said it doesn't go far enough.
• 35:57
  They say, well, all criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism.
• 36:00
  So it's ineffectual. And on top of
• 36:05
  that it's just like that clip you showed of Ro Khanna
• 36:09
  where it's you're giving the others you're
• 36:11
  legitimating, legitimizing the other side
• 36:14
  which by the way I have no problem with when
• 36:16
  the other side is right or has a point but
• 36:20
  that's not the case here. They don't have a point.
• 36:22
  They're making up out of whole cloth. Well, saying
• 36:26
  something that you don't like isn't an attack.
• 36:28
  An attack is if I walk up and I hit you in the
• 36:30
  face. That's an attack. If I come up and I say
• 36:34
  that you're supporting a genocidal government,
• 36:35
  that's not an attack. That's me expressing an
• 36:38
  opinion. Now, you can make the argument that
• 36:41
  words are violence, but if you make that argument,
• 36:43
  then you may as well give her a free speech because
• 36:45
  the entire point of free speech is to be able
• 36:47
  to say things that is unpopular or that makes
• 36:50
  people uncomfortable. Popular speech does not
• 36:52
  need to be protected by definition. Yeah. No,
• 36:56
  agreed. That's the whole point of this. It's
• 37:00
  dumb. Let's be very honest. Israel, on some level,
• 37:03
  they're doing this in order to create this level
• 37:05
  of anger and hatred. You committed a genocide,
• 37:09
  dude. Right? You still are. And you're calling
• 37:11
  yourself a Jewish state as it commits a genocide.
• 37:15
  And so it's okay, so what do people, how
• 37:19
  are people to take that? Are they to take it
• 37:21
  as the Jews are committing a genocide? Is that
• 37:23
  how they're to take it? Now, personally, I take
• 37:25
  it as Zionists are creating a genocide. The distinction
• 37:28
  between Zionism and Judaism. I think those things
• 37:31
  are different. And this attempt at saying this
• 37:33
  is a Jewish state, this is a Jewish state that
• 37:35
  commits a genocide, on some level is going to,
• 37:38
  by definition, create anger and rage out of people
• 37:41
  at, quote, Jews, unquote, and their hand in what
• 37:46
  is taking place. Even though, again, it's a political
• 37:49
  movement, not necessarily a religious thing that's
• 37:51
  doing it. So, no, I agree with you.
• 37:55
  He's basically throwing them a bone when you
• 37:59
  shouldn't be throwing anything considering what's
• 38:01
  taking place. No, I agree with you. And it's
• 38:03
  never, and the thing is, it's also bad politics.
• 38:05
  He's usually a pretty smart politician,
• 38:08
  but this is a tactical mistake.
• 38:12
  Well, he needs to cede ground in some way. Basically,
• 38:16
  if I cede ground on this, I have more grace for
• 38:18
  other stuff. They can't hit me on this particular
• 38:20
  point. They can't say, especially being Muslim,
• 38:22
  right? It's me and my very attractive Muslim.
• 38:27
  Actually, I don't know if his wife is Muslim.
• 38:29
  I think she's Syrian. But either way, the fact
• 38:32
  that he's Muslim adds something on to it because
• 38:34
  they try to make the argument that because by
• 38:35
  virtue of him being a Muslim, he by definition
• 38:37
  hates Israel or some insane nonsense like that.
• 38:40
  At least that's where I think the logic goes.
• 38:42
  It's kind of like if you support Palestinians,
• 38:44
  by definition, you hate the state of Israel.
• 38:46
  And it's well, why do you think that?
• 38:50
  Why are you making those two things linked together
• 38:52
  like that? But they are linked. Same thing with
• 38:54
  El-Sayed, right? Michigan. Muslim.
• 38:58
  Oh my God, he's saying stuff about Palestine.
• 39:01
  He must hate Israel because he's a Muslim. They
• 39:04
  make those linkages. And so I guess he feels
• 39:07
  he needs to cede ground on some level. Like you
• 39:09
  said, it's going to be the Maytag repairman.
• 39:12
  But the problem is the moment that you cede ground
• 39:14
  to that level of logic, you're stuck with the
• 39:16
  logic. Is that right? And again, I will point
• 39:21
  out that the opposite side never does the same.
• 39:24
  You're never going to get, is it Jonathan Greenblatt,
• 39:27
  I think, is the guy who runs the ADL. You're
• 39:30
  never going to see Jonathan say he's a fucking
• 39:34
  nut. And a lot of people quit the ADL, which
• 39:37
  used to be a far more respectable organization
• 39:39
  when it was, we used to call it B'nai B'rith,
• 39:41
  right? But a lot of people quit because
• 39:45
  of him taking over and making it not about anti-Semitism,
• 39:49
  but making it about anti-Zionism.
• 39:51
  And a lot of good Jews left. He, but
• 39:57
  Jonathan never says he never says,
• 40:00
  he never give any ground. He doesn't say, okay.
• 40:03
  Look, it's fair criticism to say there are certainly
• 40:05
  some people who criticize Israel who are Jewish,
• 40:09
  for example, and are not self-hating Jews. And
• 40:12
  he'll never give that, they'll never give that
• 40:15
  ground, right? Again, the giving of ground always
• 40:18
  goes one way in America, from left to right.
• 40:21
  It never goes from right to left, not ever. If
• 40:25
  anyone can point to one fucking example of that
• 40:28
  ever happening, I would be, I'll send you a free
• 40:31
  book today. Okay. It's totally not true and
• 40:35
  if you want any change you gotta, it's like the
• 40:37
  Matrix, you gotta fight Mr. Smith. You gotta be
• 40:40
  able to fight that fight. Yeah. It can't just
• 40:42
  be this thing of I'm ceding ground on this particular
• 40:45
  issue. No, you have to, some of those fights have
• 40:47
  to be fought. Yeah. And yeah, I agree with
• 40:51
  you. You shouldn't have done, I don't think you
• 40:52
  should have done it. It's oh, by the
• 40:55
  way, adding to this point. And he won the Jewish
• 41:00
  vote. He doesn't need to do this politically.
• 41:03
  He has Jewish New Yorkers on his side, and he
• 41:07
  has key Jewish politicians like Brad Lander on
• 41:12
  his side defending him. He doesn't need to suck
• 41:14
  up to these lunatics. Listen to this. 53-year
• 41:19
  senators voted to block a resolution that would
• 41:21
  have forced the State Department to report on
• 41:23
  the killing of American citizens by Israeli settlers
• 41:25
  and soldiers in the occupied West Bank. The privileged
• 41:28
  resolution, led by Chris Van Hollen, Tim Kaine,
• 41:32
  and Bernie Sanders, involves Section 502B of
• 41:35
  the Foreign Assistance Act. It would have required
• 41:38
  a report within 30 days, investigation into the
• 41:41
  killing of U.S. citizens by settlers or Israeli
• 41:43
  forces, human rights situation in the West Bank,
• 41:46
  specifically its detention of Palestinian children.
• 41:48
  If the administration failed to deliver the report,
• 41:51
  most U.S. security assistance to Israel would
• 41:53
  have been cut off, according to the sponsors.
• 41:56
  Guess who jumped in, the Democrats, to put a
• 41:59
  knife in that? I'll give you one guess. This
• 42:02
  was in the Senate? Yep. Schumer? No. I know who
• 42:08
  this is. John Fetterman. Fetterman. Of course.
• 42:12
  That motherfucker. And keep in mind, the killing
• 42:16
  of American citizens. Yeah, which could include
• 42:20
  Pennsylvanians. Yeah. Yes. Yes. But Pennsylvanians
• 42:25
  are Americans by definition. Yes, I'm just saying
• 42:28
  your own constituents, right? Your own constituents,
• 42:30
  your own countrymen. Hey, how many Americans,
• 42:34
  the people who you are philosophically, ethically,
• 42:37
  and legally supposed to be representing and defending,
• 42:40
  how many of them have been murdered by lunatics
• 42:44
  with beards? They had the wrong hyphenated name
• 42:47
  though. They're Palestinian Americans. They
• 42:50
  weren't Israeli Americans, right? So we don't care
• 42:52
  about them. And so it's a whole Animal Farm thing,
• 42:54
  right? Some hyphenated Americans are more American
• 42:56
  than others. I know that, but that's dumb.
• 43:00
  But that's so problematic because what that means
• 43:03
  is we're not united. We're not one thing, which
• 43:06
  is the entire point of this supposed to be a
• 43:08
  melting pot. Hey, you may be from Afghanistan. Besides
• 43:11
  which we're not even asking for anything to be
• 43:13
  done about it. We're just trying to collect data.
• 43:16
  We're collecting. We want numbers. We just want
• 43:19
  a report. Hey, did you happen to kill my daughter?
• 43:24
  That'd be nice. Could you let me know? That'd
• 43:26
  be great. So that way I know I don't have to
• 43:27
  send her a Christmas card this year. Listen,
• 43:30
  it's like you hit someone's dog, Ted. If
• 43:32
  someone ran over Clovis, if they came and knocked
• 43:36
  on your door and said, I'm sorry, is this your
• 43:37
  cat? I'm really sorry. He was out on the road.
• 43:40
  I tried to stop. I couldn't. It was an apology.
• 43:44
  Is there anything I can do? How can I make this
• 43:47
  right? We can't get that for a culture that we
• 43:51
  pay for. Or even no apology. No apology at all.
• 43:55
  Even just hey, dude, I killed your cat.
• 43:58
  Have a good day. See you. We're not even getting
• 44:02
  that. Human beings. And those human beings being
• 44:05
  Americans. This is supposed to be like
• 44:07
  Rome, right? A Roman citizen can go anywhere.
• 44:10
  Did you hear that the Israeli Supreme Court,
• 44:13
  which until recently was like the only last
• 44:16
  institutional vestige of sanity in that country,
• 44:19
  they ordered the IDF to reinstall that Palestinian
• 44:24
  family who were under siege in the West Bank
• 44:27
  by Jewish terrorists, right? And so
• 44:31
  the IDF went in there to do that, and then they
• 44:36
  were repelled by the settlers. The settlers drove
• 44:40
  the IDF out. Now, I'm like, this is where I want
• 44:45
  these settlements to look like Gaza. I want the
• 44:48
  IDF to come in with F-16s and strafe it and
• 44:53
  bomb it and go then go in with people
• 44:57
  to blow up all the buildings that survive. That's
• 45:00
  if you're a democracy and you
• 45:02
  treat everyone the same that's what you should
• 45:04
  do. You literally claim to. Literally they
• 45:07
  went in there like, pretty kind, sir. Would you
• 45:11
  please step aside? Queensberry rules. Dictates
• 45:15
  said we must pass through here. Fuck off. All
• 45:19
  bad. Have a nice day. Have a nice sandwich. Goodbye.
• 45:24
  It's what? It's literally like they're
• 45:27
  not even pretending to try. Yeah, of
• 45:30
  course they're not trying, right? It's
• 45:31
  oh, we tried so hard. We couldn't do it. We couldn't
• 45:33
  stop them. They were too strong. We know
• 45:36
  what the IDF is capable of. They should
• 45:38
  have killed those settlers. We have seen them
• 45:41
  murder people with breathtaking precision. Yes.
• 45:47
  And take a certain amount of glee out of it as
• 45:51
  they did it. The idea that they can't deal with
• 45:53
  settlers. There was a documentary, I'll give
• 45:57
  credit to NPR for talking about it this morning,
• 46:00
  called Gaza. It's airing in Israel. Gaza, N-A-Z-A-F-O.
• 46:04
  Oh, Nazafo. And so basically they're
• 46:07
  and basically it's about how it's
• 46:11
  IDF veterans talking about how
• 46:16
  people were targeted in Gaza and basically they statistically
• 46:19
  they were literally told, we're willing
• 46:22
  to eliminate the entire population of Gaza. By
• 46:25
  the way, new statistics, new estimates of the deaths
• 46:27
  there is about 680,000 dead in Gaza, according
• 46:32
  to some NGOs who calculated. It's sort of
• 46:36
  just based on who was there before, who's there
• 46:38
  now. And just that makes more sense
• 46:42
  to me than the Gaza Health Ministry numbers,
• 46:45
  which those require recovering bodies. So most
• 46:49
  of the bodies are under the rubble. So that does
• 46:51
  make sense to me. And having done
• 46:53
  some more correspondence, I never thought,
• 46:56
  looking at that video, that
• 46:58
  it ever made sense that it was, quote unquote, only 70,000.
• 47:00
  But it never moved. It stayed at a
• 47:04
  particular point and it's okay, but they've
• 47:06
  been murdering people for months. How does this
• 47:07
  number sing? And those numbers always seemed
• 47:09
  really lowball. But yeah. Anyway, the point
• 47:13
  is that movie, it's heinous.
• 47:16
  They literally were like, we're willing
• 47:18
  to kill 20 people for every person we target
• 47:21
  and we don't care. And they, like you said, to
• 47:24
  your point, extraordinary precision. They literally
• 47:27
  zero in on the people's phones, the occupants
• 47:29
  of a building. They listen and watch them. They
• 47:33
  can as they're killing them and they make
• 47:35
  fun of them as they do that. And this is left,
• 47:38
  as you would imagine, a lot of Jewish
• 47:41
  Israeli soldiers traumatized because
• 47:44
  they're not all monsters. And so
• 47:48
  before the show we were talking a little
• 47:50
  bit about how this compared to the way German
• 47:53
  Nazi troops handled this. And I think,
• 47:56
  look, a lot of, for example, at the big
• 47:59
  massacres at Babi Yar and places like that, a
• 48:02
  lot of German troops, they couldn't really do
• 48:04
  it without drinking the entire time. They passed
• 48:06
  out, the German army passed out schnapps to the
• 48:08
  soldiers so that they would keep doing it because
• 48:11
  they were, it's not really human nature to do
• 48:14
  this for most people, to just kill innocent people
• 48:17
  for fun. Some people are enjoying themselves.
• 48:21
  Lord knows the leadership is enjoying
• 48:23
  themselves. But I think in terms of the conscript,
• 48:26
  it's a mixed bag. Some are really into it. Some
• 48:29
  are really not into it. And then there's a bell
• 48:31
  curve in between. No, I accept that.
• 48:34
  They're people, even if they act like monsters,
• 48:37
  they're still people. Right. I think there's
• 48:40
  going to be a lot of people. Worst monsters. There's
• 48:42
  going to be a lot of suicidal ideation among
• 48:44
  for IDF vets, I think. Well, apparently they
• 48:47
  are. A lot of them have been eating their
• 48:49
  guns at some of the stuff they've been doing.
• 48:52
  Yeah. I don't know what to say. The
• 48:56
  reality of it is that they're doing monstrous
• 48:58
  things and the majority of the population agree
• 49:01
  with the monstrous things that they're doing.
• 49:02
  So yeah, I don't know. I
• 49:08
  suppose that would be. Two great comments. One is silly and
• 49:11
  one is silly without wanting to be silly. Okay,
• 49:15
  so one is from Eric. If I identify as a furry
• 49:20
  and do a crime, should I go to prison or the
• 49:22
  pound? The zoo. Okay. And Zach, Nazis were leftists.
• 49:28
  You do know that, right? They weren't
• 49:31
  leftists. Nazis were right-wingers. Yeah, they
• 49:33
  were hardcore right-wingers. Yeah. Hitler
• 49:36
  might have did this thing where they're
• 49:38
  will put out certain tropes. That he knows
• 49:40
  socialism is in the name but that doesn't make
• 49:43
  you socialist. Yeah, it was a fascist government.
• 49:46
  Yeah, fascism is on the far opposite extreme of
• 49:49
  communism. So but we can if we want to get
• 49:53
  into that we can. Okay, just a little bit of housekeeping.
• 49:57
  The second hour of the show as we go till 11
• 49:59
  o'clock we have an hour and nine minutes left
• 50:01
  in today's show. We'll be focused on your questions
• 50:04
  but we'll continue to talk about the news and
• 50:07
  okay so I think we've done enough about
• 50:10
  Mamdani. I could do the whole show about Mamdani.
• 50:12
  Do you only put the clip of that Yahoo
• 50:15
  on 60 Minutes saying how Israel can hack your
• 50:18
  phones? Sure. Okay, just one second here, fellas.
• 50:22
  The fact that he's so arrogant he just
• 50:25
  comes out. I don't know if we can play that six
• 50:27
  minute clip. We may, they may quit. Oh, right, right,
• 50:29
  right, right. Now you're right. You don't
• 50:32
  play around. Yeah, they'll blow us up. Can't do
• 50:35
  it. Yeah. I don't know that. If we're on
• 50:37
  Rumble, we could. I don't know if YouTube will
• 50:39
  do it with fair use. They should. They should
• 50:43
  let it go. Obviously, it's a political
• 50:45
  talk show doing news and commentary. What they'll
• 50:48
  do is they'll ding us and we'll have to fight
• 50:49
  it afterwards. Yeah, it's not worth it. Okay.
• 50:52
  All right. I'm saying it from experience. No,
• 50:55
  you're right. No, we dealt with this with Manila
• 50:57
  over and over and over. All right. Cornell, Venezuelan
• 51:03
  gold, deportations, or citizenship question
• 51:09
  on tax forms. Venezuelan gold. Let's go to that.
• 51:12
  All right. Do you want to tee it
• 51:14
  up? Well, I don't know the thing I remember. All
• 51:17
  right. Trying to take Venezuelan gold out of four.
• 51:19
  They were trying to take Venezuelan gold out
• 51:21
  of one bank to another bank or something like
• 51:23
  that. Well, so actually so what happened is
• 51:25
  that Commissar Marco Rubio has
• 51:31
  taken over the Venezuelan government as the viceroy
• 51:35
  of Venezuela. And as part of the looting of the
• 51:38
  country's natural resources, they took over the
• 51:41
  mining operations and they diverted all of the
• 51:45
  mined raw gold that then has to be refined. And
• 51:50
  the problem is that it can't be refined under
• 51:55
  international rules if it's sort of like blood
• 51:58
  diamonds if it's been sourced through criminal
• 52:00
  gangs or there was environmental destruction
• 52:03
  or corruption involved in the extraction of this
• 52:07
  resource. So the thing is, this is not to say
• 52:11
  that the Venezuelan mining industry was pure
• 52:13
  as the driven snow before the U.S. invasion and
• 52:17
  occupation, but or I shouldn't, it's not even
• 52:20
  an occupation, the overthrow of the Maduro
• 52:23
  government. But it certainly was a lot, certainly
• 52:27
  back under Hugo Chavez, it was a lot,
• 52:29
  it was a socialist government. Criminal gangs
• 52:32
  were not running the show and things got worse
• 52:35
  and worse. Anyway, under the doctrine
• 52:37
  of move fast and break things, Trump just rushed
• 52:40
  into this and just said, just take it. So Rubio
• 52:44
  did take it. And the thing is that it's all sitting
• 52:48
  in warehouses now in the United States worth
• 52:52
  hundreds of millions of dollars of gold bars.
• 52:55
  But under international law and international
• 52:58
  rules, nobody can take it or use it. So it's
• 53:03
  basically sitting there. I guess you
• 53:06
  could just melt it. There is no such thing as
• 53:08
  international law. But there's international
• 53:11
  business rules. And apparently a lot of the,
• 53:15
  nobody will buy this shit. Nobody will take it.
• 53:18
  So basically. It's kind of just typical Trumpian
• 53:22
  incompetence. Well, I'm surprised that we don't
• 53:24
  put in our votes. Apparently we can't.
• 53:28
  There's nothing stopping us from taking a gold
• 53:30
  bar. In Ukraine, they used to, what's
• 53:32
  the guy, the congressman that had gold bars in
• 53:34
  his refrigerator? We can take gold bars.
• 53:37
  What's stopping us from putting those in our
• 53:39
  banks? Well, according to basically the business
• 53:45
  rules of the gold mining industry, which I was
• 53:47
  not aware of up until now. You can't do that.
• 53:51
  So basically it would be like the, I
• 53:55
  guess the thing is there would be sanctions against
• 53:57
  the United States among other gold,
• 54:00
  gold traders. There's obviously a huge international
• 54:03
  gold trading market. We'd be cut out. We would
• 54:07
  not be allowed to trade gold with the rest of
• 54:09
  the world. I want to see it. I don't believe
• 54:11
  it. I don't believe it for one moment. I don't
• 54:14
  believe it. I just don't believe it. Donald,
• 54:17
  we have bullied the world. Oh no host of issues
• 54:21
  but the specific one is the one where we're stuck
• 54:25
  on from the standpoint of international law. I
• 54:26
  don't buy it. That gold is going to be laundered
• 54:30
  in some particular fashion and we will get our
• 54:33
  hands on that gold in some way. What they'll do
• 54:34
  is either a they're going to either they're
• 54:37
  going to melt it down, make it
• 54:41
  for electronics to conduct electricity or they're
• 54:43
  going to make it into jewelry. One or the other.
• 54:45
  That's what's cool about gold. It's
• 54:48
  so malleable. Well, what about selling it in the
• 54:50
  country itself? Meaning you may not be able to
• 54:52
  put the stuff out the country, but certainly
• 54:53
  you can sell it to, as Robby was pointing out,
• 54:55
  if manufacturers need it for something.
• 54:58
  Look, I'm just telling you what the New
• 54:59
  York Times says. Look, what is true is
• 55:02
  that the gold is just sitting there. That part
• 55:04
  is true. So they may figure out some
• 55:10
  way to just dump it on,
• 55:13
  all the cheap jewelry stores in
• 55:17
  on the Lower East Side might end up selling this. Who knows.
• 55:19
  So there's, so they transported it from Venezuela
• 55:22
  to the U.S. or from the UK to the U.S. because I
• 55:26
  thought it was in the UK. Now it's in the
• 55:31
  it's in the U.S. Oh I guess this thing is it's unprocessed
• 55:33
  or thank you P.W. Walker for pointing that out
• 55:35
  and it can't be refined
• 55:39
  until yeah that's the issue but it's in the U.S. I think
• 55:43
  that's what the Times is reporting
• 55:45
  now. How did it get to the U.S.?
• 55:50
  We basically diverted it from Venezuela. Probably the U.S.
• 55:53
  military transports. We stole it from Venezuela.
• 55:57
  That's just looting. Totally looting.
• 56:01
  It's just hilarious that we stole something that
• 56:03
  we can't use. We'll find a way to use it.
• 56:07
  It's just so... Gold also has industrial applications,
• 56:11
  right? Exactly. Yeah, we'll find somebody to
• 56:13
  use it. I guess it's so over the top, though.
• 56:15
  It's cartoonish. It's like somebody rolling
• 56:18
  up a truck to the back of a bank and just taking
• 56:21
  the money out and just driving away. That's effectively
• 56:23
  what we did. That's exactly it. That's exactly
• 56:25
  it. All right. Got a comment. Thanks for the
• 56:27
  $5 from Andre. Netanyahu went to the UN to quote
• 56:31
  unquote expose Mamdani and his response, Mamdani's
• 56:34
  response was to arrest protesters of Israel.
• 56:37
  That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Mamdani did arrest the
• 56:43
  anti-Israel protesters. Disgusting. Instead
• 56:46
  of the guy who he should be arresting, the guy
• 56:49
  he promised to arrest under the ICC. But, yeah.
• 56:56
  We're not signatories. True. Yeah. We could do
• 57:01
  it, but we're not signatories. I know. Which
• 57:03
  is ironic. I still think he shouldn't. I think,
• 57:05
  even if he just did it and booked
• 57:07
  Netanyahu and just kept him in the Tombs or kept
• 57:11
  him in Rikers for a night, that'd
• 57:15
  be great. Keep seeing spicy. If that happened,
• 57:21
  do you think that Netanyahu's bodyguards are
• 57:23
  trying to shoot the cops? They're in the U.S.
• 57:27
  They can't. If they did that, they would be annihilated.
• 57:31
  They couldn't. They would be annihilated. Think
• 57:33
  of how cops act. A cop could break into a house
• 57:37
  and you could shoot at the cop because they broke
• 57:40
  into your house and they would all open fire
• 57:41
  and the courts will let them off. Keep in mind,
• 57:45
  what was that case where the cop, they broke
• 57:49
  into the house, it was a no-knock warrant, the
• 57:51
  person shot at him, and all the cops opened fire,
• 57:54
  and they ended up murdering somebody who was,
• 57:56
  I think, in the other apartment or something
• 57:57
  like that. They went after the guy who shot at
• 58:00
  the cop, who, again, the cops broke into the
• 58:03
  house, and the guy didn't know that they were
• 58:04
  cops. Right now, as we speak, and we're going
• 58:06
  to talk about ICE, but not about this topic,
• 58:08
  that guy in Texas that ICE shot, they just charged
• 58:12
  him with attacking the officer. Yep. That's what
• 58:15
  I mean. So then Yahoo's bodyguards that are
• 58:18
  in the U.S., a country of 320 million
• 58:19
  people, let's say there's 20 of them.
• 58:22
  And the NYPD aren't slouches. They know how to use their
• 58:25
  sidearms. But here's the thing, though. It would
• 58:27
  show who runs what. If he, if Mamdani had the
• 58:33
  balls to do it, if he sent his cops and said,
• 58:36
  go arrest this guy. Yeah. If Netanyahu's bodyguards
• 58:40
  tried to obstruct. Send some good Arab American
• 58:42
  cops to take care of you. Then what would happen?
• 58:44
  Right. Who would NYPD take orders from? Netanyahu
• 58:49
  or Mamdani? That's the question. It'll be Mamdani.
• 58:53
  They would take orders from Mamdani. I would
• 58:56
  hope so. I don't think Mamdani would
• 58:59
  do it. Mamdani's dick would grow by about three
• 59:01
  quarters of an inch. Well, Mamdani doesn't have
• 59:02
  the balls to do it. His penis has been
• 59:06
  it's clearly shriveled inside of his body.
• 59:09
  I'd be turned on. That's a sexy guy. I'd
• 59:15
  be like, oh my God. Holy shit. Look at the balls
• 59:17
  on that one. And I would not hold it against
• 59:21
  him at all. We had to let him go the next
• 59:24
  day. All right, all right. But can you
• 59:26
  maybe throw him down a flight of stairs? Maybe
• 59:28
  throw him down a flight of stairs before you
• 59:30
  do? Well, if someone had an Epstein,
• 59:33
  anything could happen in those prisons. Yeah,
• 59:35
  yeah, yeah. Well, that's true. Yeah, send them
• 59:37
  to the MDC. That would not be good. Oh,
• 59:42
  we lost this paperwork. All right. Venezuelan
• 59:45
  gold, what have we done? We still have to do
• 59:47
  Cornell and ICE and taxes. You said you had a
• 59:54
  story about Cornell. Yeah, so you know about
• 59:57
  this rape allegation, right? So basically this
• 1:00:02
  is a, so what happened here as far as we know
• 1:00:04
  is back two years ago there was an alleged gang
• 1:00:09
  rape at a fraternity at Cornell University. That's
• 1:00:14
  in upstate New York. This was in October 2024,
• 1:00:18
  almost exactly two years ago. So according to
• 1:00:21
  her, she according to the victim she. Basically,
• 1:00:28
  it was a wild night of crazy drinking and ketamine
• 1:00:32
  and God knows what else. There was consensual
• 1:00:36
  sex, according to her, with two dudes. And then
• 1:00:40
  things got wild and even got out of control.
• 1:00:43
  And then according to a Snapchat that there's
• 1:00:48
  a screenshot of basically it was
• 1:00:51
  I don't want to repeat exactly what was said. Basically
• 1:00:53
  it was hey, the door is open.
• 1:00:56
  Come up upstairs. If you want it,
• 1:00:58
  this girl wants it. And then so a total
• 1:01:02
  of seven guys are accused of having had sex with
• 1:01:05
  her. She claims that the last five or
• 1:01:09
  at least some of the last five were non-consensual.
• 1:01:14
  She, at the time, campus, nothing. Now, the thing
• 1:01:18
  is that for three weeks, there were no reports
• 1:01:21
  filed of any kind. One of the two guys that she
• 1:01:26
  liked messaged her allegedly and said,
• 1:01:30
  I'm really sorry, things got a little out of
• 1:01:31
  control. And she's kind of like in her response,
• 1:01:34
  kind of like, no worries, no harm, no foul.
• 1:01:37
  Let's get together again soon, next time
• 1:01:39
  with less ketamine and with fewer guys. And so
• 1:01:43
  she was obviously kind of into the first two,
• 1:01:47
  but not into the last five. Three weeks later,
• 1:01:51
  she went to the campus police, not the Ithaca
• 1:01:55
  police, and said, and wanted to file a rape charge.
• 1:02:00
  They looked into it. There was no corroborating
• 1:02:05
  witnesses. Her testimony was unclear. They decided
• 1:02:12
  not to file charges. She also went with some
• 1:02:16
  local campus advocates and so on. And there,
• 1:02:20
  basically, the situation sat, except the college
• 1:02:25
  did hold a Title IX hearing. Right. Those are
• 1:02:29
  controversial. And the guys, two of the guys,
• 1:02:34
  I guess, were expelled. The others were suspended
• 1:02:40
  for short times and they had to write essays,
• 1:02:43
  which that part is hilarious. I will not rape
• 1:02:46
  unconscious women. I will not rape unconscious
• 1:02:48
  women. And anyway, but that was according to
• 1:02:53
  the university. That was only part of it. Anyway,
• 1:02:56
  so. That was basically where things stood. And
• 1:03:00
  then a few days ago, she filed a civil lawsuit
• 1:03:03
  against the alleged rapists and the university
• 1:03:09
  and the fraternity, which has now been closed.
• 1:03:13
  The university did shut it down after this incident
• 1:03:15
  back then. So now this is all over social media.
• 1:03:21
  It's kind of, look, there's been
• 1:03:23
  cases like this before. There was the Duke lacrosse
• 1:03:26
  case there when I was at Columbia shortly.
• 1:03:31
  I guess this was a year after I left the first
• 1:03:33
  time. So between 84 and between
• 1:03:37
  84 and 90, when I was not on campus, there was
• 1:03:42
  a fraternity where a lady said she was attending
• 1:03:47
  a drunken party, claimed to have been gang raped.
• 1:03:51
  And she filed charges. The university shut down
• 1:03:55
  the fraternity, expelled all of the members who
• 1:03:59
  were present at the time, and blacklisted them
• 1:04:02
  from all other Ivy League and other prestigious
• 1:04:05
  colleges. Years later, she
• 1:04:11
  went to her therapist and her therapist encouraged her to
• 1:04:13
  go to the university and she recanted her story
• 1:04:16
  and said this never happened. I was just
• 1:04:19
  upset because I liked this guy and he didn't
• 1:04:21
  want to date me and I wanted to get even with
• 1:04:23
  him. And so the university never took
• 1:04:27
  it back. And they never reinstated the
• 1:04:31
  frat. They never de-blacklisted the
• 1:04:35
  students. They never readmitted them. But there were some
• 1:04:37
  civil lawsuits. There was the Barnard
• 1:04:40
  Mattress Girl, if you remember her, that was a notorious
• 1:04:43
  case where this girl at Barnard College, which
• 1:04:48
  is the women's college across the street from
• 1:04:50
  Columbia, claimed that she had consensual sex,
• 1:04:55
  but non-consensual anal sex with a friend of
• 1:04:59
  hers, with a FWB. She reported it. There was
• 1:05:04
  a Title IX case. He wasn't really allowed to,
• 1:05:07
  under Title IX you can't have a lawyer
• 1:05:10
  represent you or defend you. You can't confront
• 1:05:13
  your accusers. It's not a real trial. And the
• 1:05:16
  jurors aren't legal experts. In some cases they
• 1:05:18
  even involve fellow students. And anyway she
• 1:05:22
  he was expelled. Basically her story started
• 1:05:26
  to fall apart. He filed a civil lawsuit. The university
• 1:05:29
  ended up having to pay him millions of dollars
• 1:05:32
  and reinstating him as a student. And
• 1:05:36
  but the point is lacrosse case too. The Duke lacrosse
• 1:05:39
  case was all. Yeah. So it's a lot. So
• 1:05:43
  it's the problem is rape happens a lot on
• 1:05:47
  campus but so do false allegations and so it's
• 1:05:52
  kind of what are the cops to do and now
• 1:05:55
  you have Governor Kathy Hochul obviously with
• 1:05:58
  presidential aspirations. She's urging something
• 1:06:01
  to be done about this because of all the social
• 1:06:04
  media heat. And so now there's a new investigation.
• 1:06:08
  There's, they're looking into it again.
• 1:06:11
  But basically all the usual fault lines in a
• 1:06:14
  case like this are cropping up between
• 1:06:17
  people who are oh, believe all
• 1:06:18
  women and versus men are rapey
• 1:06:21
  scum. It's just a fucking hot
• 1:06:25
  mess. It is a mess. Okay. I guess for one, yeah,
• 1:06:34
  this is a bit of a mess. She was on ketamine,
• 1:06:37
  so she was kind of unconscious. For what? I don't
• 1:06:40
  know why anybody would want to have sex with
• 1:06:41
  an unconscious woman. Well, that's right.
• 1:06:45
  By definition, there's no consent there, right?
• 1:06:53
  She gave consent before she became unconscious
• 1:06:55
  with the ketamine. She gave consent to
• 1:06:57
  the first two. Yeah, by her own count. Right.
• 1:07:00
  So it's well, you can't really
• 1:07:02
  accuse the first two of rape. If you're
• 1:07:04
  invited, note to all watchers
• 1:07:07
  of the program who are dudes, if you were invited
• 1:07:10
  into a room and told she wants it, but she
• 1:07:13
  doesn't have anything to say because she's out,
• 1:07:15
  leave the room. She doesn't really want it. Right.
• 1:07:18
  Right. Or maybe she did, but she can't now. Right.
• 1:07:23
  Yeah. She can't consent when she's unconscious.
• 1:07:25
  So that's dicey in and of itself. Right.
• 1:07:28
  Yeah, that's a hard one. Because the
• 1:07:33
  reality of it is she was unconscious.
• 1:07:36
  I suppose the other two could tell on the other
• 1:07:37
  five, but the other two are going to get in trouble
• 1:07:41
  for inviting the other people in in the first
• 1:07:42
  place because they didn't have any right to invite
• 1:07:44
  people to have sex. Totally. Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:07:47
  This is a mess. Do we know as a flat
• 1:07:50
  fact that the rape took place? We know
• 1:07:52
  as a flat fact the first two had sex and we know.
• 1:07:55
  Do we know it's a flat fact the other five joined
• 1:07:57
  them? We don't. We don't.
• 1:08:01
  It's largely widely assumed. By the way these
• 1:08:03
  guys have been doxxed by feminists online
• 1:08:05
  and stuff. So their names are even The Guardian's
• 1:08:08
  been reporting their names. But
• 1:08:12
  by the way I don't have a problem with that in
• 1:08:13
  a way because they're accused of rape.
• 1:08:15
  There's so they're college kids. So
• 1:08:17
  what? They're adults. They can be.
• 1:08:20
  Their names can appear. If you were accused of
• 1:08:22
  robbing a liquor store you'd be, your
• 1:08:24
  name would be in the paper. For some reason
• 1:08:27
  it feels different. It does feel different but
• 1:08:30
  I don't think it really is different. But
• 1:08:32
  so we don't know. So yes. So here's the
• 1:08:36
  thing, right? She didn't go to the popo for six,
• 1:08:40
  for well the local the rent-a-cops, right? She
• 1:08:43
  didn't go for the campus pigs for three weeks.
• 1:08:46
  So obviously, no rape kit is possible.
• 1:08:50
  The evidence has gone. So there's no physical
• 1:08:52
  evidence by that point. Also, the Snapchat thing
• 1:08:55
  of saying, hey, let's meet up later. Even that's
• 1:08:57
  a little weird to me. Is that weird?
• 1:08:59
  That cuts both ways, though, right? Because
• 1:09:01
  it's sort of like that kind of thing has come
• 1:09:04
  up in numerous cases like this. And psychologists
• 1:09:07
  call this normalizing behavior. If
• 1:09:10
  you're traumatized, you're like. We're good here,
• 1:09:13
  right? And now I'm not going to compare myself
• 1:09:15
  with a rape victim, but I learned about normalizing
• 1:09:19
  behavior in my LA Times case, because in my LA
• 1:09:21
  Times case, it all surrounded this incident where
• 1:09:24
  I was roughed up by this LAPD cop. And there's
• 1:09:28
  a recording of it. And at one point, I'm like,
• 1:09:30
  oh, after he takes off my cuffs and he's
• 1:09:33
  ready to let me go, I'm like, oh, is there any
• 1:09:35
  place good to eat around here? And the LA Times
• 1:09:39
  made a lot of this and said, oh, if you
• 1:09:41
  had such a rough experience with the cop, why
• 1:09:44
  do you ask that? Now, the thing is, I have corroborating
• 1:09:47
  evidence that I was meeting my friends for dinner.
• 1:09:51
  I was running late because of this incident.
• 1:09:54
  I didn't need a place to eat, right? So why would
• 1:09:58
  I ask this, right? Only just basically to sort
• 1:10:01
  of, we're good here. And that's apparently
• 1:10:04
  a really normal thing to do. U.S.,
• 1:10:08
  Israeli troops
• 1:10:12
  in the West Bank and you're like, good morning,
• 1:10:15
  but in reality you're terrified with this person.
• 1:10:17
  Also pointing out that hey let's not do this
• 1:10:22
  with the other guys also kind of indicates that
• 1:10:25
  the other guys were there, right? Right. And I think
• 1:10:29
  also what the fact that the guy was like,
• 1:10:31
  oh things got out of control. I'm sorry about
• 1:10:34
  how the direction that went. That also indicates
• 1:10:36
  that. So I'm 99 sure the other guys were
• 1:10:40
  there. At least somebody didn't give a about her.
• 1:10:42
  To be like hey come on in guys. By the
• 1:10:45
  way I remember when I was in college and white
• 1:10:48
  woman had to think for Black guys. I had to
• 1:10:53
  think for Black guys that were let's say on the
• 1:10:56
  dicier side of things. I guess the danger of
• 1:11:00
  it all and. I remember when they were
• 1:11:03
  going to run a train and they were inviting people
• 1:11:06
  in. Right. Yeah. It happens. Yeah, it happens.
• 1:11:11
  And she was down for it. So it wasn't like some
• 1:11:14
  people are. Yeah, she was. She had a certain
• 1:11:17
  quirk about her that that was her thing. And
• 1:11:21
  I've dated girls who that was a huge fantasy
• 1:11:25
  for them. Yeah. To shoot a grin of her
• 1:11:28
  roommates because the people effectively stole
• 1:11:30
  a bunch of shit out of their rooms. Like I said,
• 1:11:32
  they were in the dumps. Oh, shit. Yeah. But,
• 1:11:34
  yeah, I remember this other one. It was
• 1:11:36
  hey, would you like to come down? It was
• 1:11:38
  oh, no. Thanks a lot. Yeah. I had a roommate
• 1:11:42
  that he, he told me that in college,
• 1:11:45
  he and the entire tennis team ran a
• 1:11:49
  train on some girl. And I was like, was she into
• 1:11:52
  it? And he's like, I don't really know. And I
• 1:11:54
  was like, you didn't really know? What you're
• 1:11:57
  you have to know. But I don't think you do.
• 1:12:01
  But you need to know. If you don't know then the
• 1:12:03
  answer is no. Yeah. You should know. But I would
• 1:12:07
  go further. If she's really wasted and
• 1:12:11
  you can tell then even if the answer is yes the
• 1:12:14
  answer is no. I have a question for you. I have
• 1:12:17
  a question for you Ted and this goes back to
• 1:12:19
  the argument that we had with that lady who killed
• 1:12:21
  her, killed her kids so she's out of her mind.
• 1:12:24
  Well, these people are on drugs. So if it's okay
• 1:12:29
  for a woman to strangle her kids because she
• 1:12:31
  was out of her mind, then how is this wrong?
• 1:12:36
  Square this peg for me. You mean the fact that
• 1:12:38
  the alleged, you mean from the alleged rapists?
• 1:12:41
  Look, that's a criminal defense. If they were
• 1:12:45
  ever, obviously they're not going to be charged
• 1:12:47
  criminally. It's been two years. But if they
• 1:12:51
  were charged criminally and they said, they were
• 1:12:54
  able to say, listen, I was fucking fucked up
• 1:12:57
  beyond belief. I was so drunk. I was so wasted
• 1:13:01
  on ketamine. The special. I
• 1:13:04
  don't think many juries would look kindly upon
• 1:13:07
  it, but it is a defense. It's a line of defense
• 1:13:09
  that's been tried many times in American court.
• 1:13:11
  I don't think it's a good defense. It's not an
• 1:13:13
  effective defense. Well, the problem is they
• 1:13:16
  knew. Guys, you talk about this. I got to pee.
• 1:13:19
  Well, I'm an alcoholic. And I drink and
• 1:13:23
  get behind the wheel of a car. I know I can crash
• 1:13:25
  the car as a result of the alcohol. They're not
• 1:13:27
  going to give them a break for that.
• 1:13:29
  In the woman's case, I think the argument is
• 1:13:31
  where she was out of her mind because of postpartum
• 1:13:33
  depression was nothing that she did to be out
• 1:13:35
  of her mind, which I'm not sure if I believe
• 1:13:37
  or not, but put that aside for the moment. That's
• 1:13:39
  the argument in her case. She didn't have a choice.
• 1:13:42
  She was out of her mind because of the pregnancy.
• 1:13:45
  She wasn't taking anything. She was just out
• 1:13:47
  of her mind because of the condition. In their
• 1:13:48
  case, they were taking shit. They were
• 1:13:50
  getting hammered. It sounded like they were having
• 1:13:52
  a good party up until the point of the rape.
• 1:13:54
  Listen, I agree. If the rape even happened. I
• 1:13:57
  think the best thing you could do, my daughter's
• 1:14:00
  in college now, hopefully she never puts herself
• 1:14:04
  in this kind of situation to begin with. Don't
• 1:14:07
  get drunk or get stoned and go to a room with
• 1:14:09
  two guys because you know it's going to happen.
• 1:14:13
  Don't put yourself in a situation where you're
• 1:14:15
  out of control, for one thing. But if it does
• 1:14:17
  happen, if one person gets a pass, she says,
• 1:14:22
  well, I was out of my mind because of a medical
• 1:14:23
  condition. And I'm out of my mind because I saw
• 1:14:28
  a street pharmacist. Those are different. And
• 1:14:31
  you know those are different. Of course they're
• 1:14:33
  different. Those are different. No, I get it.
• 1:14:35
  You're trying to cross that Rubicon. Those are
• 1:14:38
  very different things. Well, I don't think so,
• 1:14:40
  ma'am, because I think what it is that we just
• 1:14:42
  cheapen life so much. Look, I'm not saying that
• 1:14:47
  the woman who killed her kids is innocent. Just
• 1:14:50
  to be clear, I'm not saying that. No, I'm not
• 1:14:52
  saying she's guilty. I think you and me are on
• 1:14:53
  the same side on this. If indeed she was out
• 1:14:56
  of postpartum depression and she was having all
• 1:14:59
  of the pregnancy stuff, if that's the case, the
• 1:15:02
  husband doesn't believe it, but if that's the
• 1:15:04
  case, that's not the same thing as her taking
• 1:15:06
  drugs. I don't know, man. It's just not. Because,
• 1:15:10
  listen, I agree with you, but if the argument
• 1:15:13
  is, if the defense is, I was out of my mind,
• 1:15:15
  and in the Clancy case, she was an RN, she was
• 1:15:19
  an OB nurse. She was being treated for depression.
• 1:15:23
  She was going to all these doctors. She was getting
• 1:15:25
  treated. She kills her kids. And then the defense
• 1:15:30
  is, well, she's out of her mind. Well, if that's
• 1:15:33
  acceptable there. Well, look, look,
• 1:15:36
  you're right that there's a conflict there, right? It
• 1:15:39
  reminds me of DUI. So if I'm drunk, by definition,
• 1:15:46
  I go out and run someone over. Well,
• 1:15:49
  okay. Our law says because I'm a drunk asshole,
• 1:15:53
  I shouldn't have gotten in the car and then I
• 1:15:55
  should go to prison for a long time because I
• 1:15:56
  ran over someone. Fair. But it's also true that
• 1:16:00
  because I was a drunk asshole, I didn't have
• 1:16:02
  the judgment to know that I shouldn't get in
• 1:16:04
  the car. Yeah, but the judgment is paying before
• 1:16:07
  you're drunk. Meaning that's where you're getting
• 1:16:10
  deemed. You're not getting deemed behind the
• 1:16:12
  wheel. You're getting deemed behind the wheel.
• 1:16:13
  But the legal system is inconsistent here, right?
• 1:16:16
  How? Well, because in the case of the Clancy
• 1:16:19
  case, she's got psychosis. So therefore
• 1:16:23
  she's not responsible. True. I guess that's the
• 1:16:26
  difference. That's the difference. That's the
• 1:16:29
  difference. Right. She didn't do anything intentionally
• 1:16:32
  in order to cause her psychosis. If you
• 1:16:36
  take Special K and then you rape someone,
• 1:16:40
  that's on you. You shouldn't have taken the Special
• 1:16:41
  K. It's an illegal drug anyway. In fact, I don't
• 1:16:45
  even know how you take Special K and rape anybody.
• 1:16:46
  She was the one that was on Special K. Right,
• 1:16:49
  but we have no idea. There's no word from the
• 1:16:52
  reporting as to the state of the dudes. We know
• 1:16:56
  everyone was drinking. Special K would have knocked
• 1:17:00
  them out. Special K is, it puts you, it's like
• 1:17:03
  a... So they just would have taken a nap next
• 1:17:05
  to her. Right. They would have just been... I've
• 1:17:08
  never tried it, so yeah. I've never tried it,
• 1:17:11
  but I do know what it is. I just think that the
• 1:17:13
  best thing to do if you're at a university, if
• 1:17:17
  you're at a college, don't put yourself in this
• 1:17:20
  kind of situation. Totally. And people are going
• 1:17:22
  to say, well, Robby's victim blaming. However,
• 1:17:25
  let me just say that partying and drinking
• 1:17:27
  is always going to be a part of college and university
• 1:17:30
  life. And I've been to a lot of fucking crazy,
• 1:17:33
  drunken, insane. I was at a party where
• 1:17:38
  two dudes were so drunk that they fell off the
• 1:17:43
  roof of the building they were leaning on. They
• 1:17:45
  were on the roof and they leaned, they leaned
• 1:17:48
  back and they fell off six floors. Six floors
• 1:17:53
  straight, straight to the sidewalk in New York
• 1:17:56
  City. Okay. No soft landing. Okay. Not. But here's
• 1:18:01
  the funny part. They were set. They were so drunk
• 1:18:04
  that they felt they weren't stiff when they landed.
• 1:18:08
  And so they survived because they sort of had
• 1:18:11
  the floppy bounce. That's like babies often survive
• 1:18:15
  falls like that because they bounce. But if you
• 1:18:19
  stiff up, which is the normal thing to do when
• 1:18:21
  you're headed toward the ground, you're more
• 1:18:25
  brittle, apparently. It's very strange. I had
• 1:18:28
  a guy that did that in Upper Brown. Upper Brown
• 1:18:30
  was the Virginia Union. It's a historic Black
• 1:18:32
  college in Richmond. And I used to go to a program
• 1:18:34
  just before going to college. It was like this
• 1:18:37
  preparatory thing that you used to stay with.
• 1:18:40
  And I remember the guys got so drunk because
• 1:18:42
  keep in mind your TAs, the people who are overseeing
• 1:18:46
  you are in college. You were in high school.
• 1:18:49
  And so all of the people are men on one side
• 1:18:52
  and you have all of the women in another campus
• 1:18:54
  on the other side. And men are men. You're
• 1:18:57
  dealing with college guys who are a few
• 1:18:59
  years older. And so we used to have these fights.
• 1:19:01
  They used to take place between the staff versus
• 1:19:03
  the... God, that just brings back memories. One
• 1:19:08
  of the guys got so drunk but he fell off one
• 1:19:11
  of the balconies and lands on the floor and is
• 1:19:13
  so drunk he doesn't realize what just took place.
• 1:19:16
  He's like, oh, what just, what happened, man? What
• 1:19:19
  happened? When you, God, man, did some of the
• 1:19:21
  that we used to do. Oh my God. Alcohol. Dude,
• 1:19:24
  I had a roommate. Okay. He was, we'll
• 1:19:28
  call him Chris because his name was Chris. So
• 1:19:32
  we were three musketeers, me, Dan, and Chris.
• 1:19:35
  We all got expelled from college together, right?
• 1:19:38
  But before we got expelled, one morning, Chris
• 1:19:43
  and Dan and I go to a party across campus. It's
• 1:19:46
  sponsored by these girls. Dan and I find
• 1:19:49
  it boring, so we leave and go back to our dorms
• 1:19:52
  and go to sleep. Chris stays. He's like, I'm
• 1:19:55
  going to hang out. He's flirting with some girl.
• 1:19:56
  And we're like, maybe Chris is going to get some
• 1:19:58
  for once. Anyway, the next morning, no Chris.
• 1:20:02
  And we're like, we don't think anything of it.
• 1:20:03
  We figure he's sleeping with some
• 1:20:05
  girl. Evening rolls around. And we're
• 1:20:08
  like, it's a little worrisome. No Chris.
• 1:20:12
  He hasn't shown up. It's not really like him.
• 1:20:14
  So we go back to the party, knock on the door.
• 1:20:18
  And they're like, no, no, no. He left shortly
• 1:20:20
  after you guys. And now we're starting to get
• 1:20:22
  worried because it's wait, he's been MIA
• 1:20:25
  now for nearly 24 hours. We're like, ah, God,
• 1:20:29
  what the fuck happened? And so we go to the elevator.
• 1:20:35
  We're waiting for the elevator. It takes a really
• 1:20:37
  long time. So we're like, fuck it. Let's take
• 1:20:39
  the stairs. We go into the stairwell. We round
• 1:20:42
  the corner. And there's Chris in a pool of every
• 1:20:46
  bodily secretion, right? Out cold. Unconscious
• 1:20:54
  the entire time. He's been out for 20 hours.
• 1:20:58
  So we're like, oh, he got that drunk. Yeah. He got
• 1:21:07
  that drunk. He was still out. So we went and got
• 1:21:10
  we went to the janitor's closet and got
• 1:21:12
  a bucket of water and would sploosh and
• 1:21:17
  woke him up. That's insane. That's how drunk people
• 1:21:22
  get, right? Yeah, that's insane. See, I've never
• 1:21:25
  been that drunk. I've been drunk enough where
• 1:21:27
  I've never been drunk to the point of unconsciousness.
• 1:21:30
  Oh, I have. Yeah. Yeah. I've never been that drunk.
• 1:21:33
  I've never been. I've never been Chris drunk, though.
• 1:21:36
  Well, and I maintain my waking state of consciousness,
• 1:21:38
  meaning I'm still this person even when my body
• 1:21:42
  is trying to throw up and everything else.
• 1:21:44
  It's I'm like it's almost like there's something
• 1:21:46
  behind that way. Yeah. I'm like you that way.
• 1:21:49
  I have presence of mind. It's being that
• 1:21:51
  drunk is not going to make me, for example,
• 1:21:54
  want to have sex with an unconscious girl
• 1:21:56
  or something. It would be I'd still have the presence
• 1:21:58
  of mind. Time to go home, right? Help me. Help
• 1:22:01
  me understand what's fun about this. I don't understand.
• 1:22:05
  That's okay. I don't get that. No, I mean about
• 1:22:08
  getting so drunk that you're out of your mind,
• 1:22:12
  passing out, pissing all over yourself. I do not
• 1:22:16
  understand the thrill. Why would anyone put something
• 1:22:21
  in their body that breaks your mind? But the
• 1:22:25
  goal is not to get to that point. The goal is
• 1:22:27
  to get to a nice sweet spot, but people overshoot
• 1:22:30
  the sweet spot. That's exactly what it is.
• 1:22:32
  So people, this is about young people who
• 1:22:35
  are learning how to drink and they don't know
• 1:22:37
  how to drink, right? So they drink too much.
• 1:22:41
  It's kind of like you're testing your limits
• 1:22:43
  as a kid. How much can I get away with with my
• 1:22:45
  parents? How sassy and spicy can I be with my
• 1:22:48
  parents before they hit me? This is like that.
• 1:22:50
  How many drinks can I have before I end up with
• 1:22:53
  bedspins or unconscious in the stairwell or whatever?
• 1:22:57
  By the time you're my age, you know how many
• 1:23:01
  drinks you can have, and it doesn't happen anymore.
• 1:23:04
  There are some people who want to get smashed.
• 1:23:09
  And I have certainly been in that mode,
• 1:23:12
  during a breakup or something like that. But
• 1:23:14
  usually it's just what Jamarl says. But in terms
• 1:23:18
  of the drinking itself, you're doing it because
• 1:23:21
  it loosens you up. And it's especially
• 1:23:25
  if you're, you have inhibitions and you're
• 1:23:28
  uptight and you're maybe shy and you're
• 1:23:30
  scared to talk to girls or whatever. It's sort
• 1:23:33
  of, it gives you some liquid courage. The
• 1:23:36
  music is playing. The atmosphere is good.
• 1:23:40
  When we used to play chess we used to drink and
• 1:23:42
  play chess or smoke pot. It depends on the person.
• 1:23:44
  Each person had their own vice. But
• 1:23:48
  these are older men, right? So it's my bottle
• 1:23:50
  of Courvoisier. I know how much to drink and maintain
• 1:23:53
  myself, right? Or the guy's smoking. I know
• 1:23:56
  how much to maintain and maintain my faculties.
• 1:23:58
  Yeah. I like to drink. I like to drink wine
• 1:24:01
  when I play chess but it's not good for my chess
• 1:24:03
  playing. Oh, I used to do tequila. God, man, I
• 1:24:07
  remember this guy who, for the life of him, could
• 1:24:10
  not understand why he kept losing. And so he
• 1:24:12
  kept buying shots of tequila. And I think I was
• 1:24:14
  picking seven shots in, and he was still losing
• 1:24:16
  the game. And by the time I had left, I was so
• 1:24:20
  smashed. And I remember getting home, throwing
• 1:24:22
  up, and just passing out. But he never won a game.
• 1:24:26
  He still never won a game. Oh, I'm sure. No,
• 1:24:30
  I was totally smashed. But again, I don't really
• 1:24:33
  drink like that. I don't know. So Duskburn about
• 1:24:36
  this rape case says she described thinking that
• 1:24:40
  if she passed out and the men had sex with her,
• 1:24:43
  they could be charged with rape. The only reference
• 1:24:45
  of rape mentioned in the document, according
• 1:24:47
  to ABC News. Wait, I don't get it. And also,
• 1:24:52
  Sierra Julia, sorry, as a woman who's been raped
• 1:24:57
  on campus, I do not believe her. It was a wild
• 1:24:59
  party. Kids were being idiots. Keep your legs
• 1:25:02
  closed and have respect for your body. Boys,
• 1:25:05
  keep it zipped. True. I do accept that.
• 1:25:08
  But the problem is the five other guys.
• 1:25:12
  Meaning, if you say, okay, I'm going to take
• 1:25:14
  this cut of me and I'm going to let two guys
• 1:25:16
  have sex with me. That's what I want. That's
• 1:25:18
  my, that's within my wants right now for whatever
• 1:25:20
  particular reason and then they turn around and
• 1:25:23
  say hey guys the door's open let's have some
• 1:25:26
  fun. Okay that's deeply problematic. Oh yeah. And
• 1:25:30
  I agree with all of you making the point to say
• 1:25:32
  well look she was defenseless. She allowed
• 1:25:34
  herself to be put into this particular position.
• 1:25:36
  Although that's true but that doesn't, that doesn't
• 1:25:39
  absolve exactly the dudes at all. Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  That's what I was going to ask. That doesn't really
• 1:25:44
  absolve them for saying, hey, the door is open.
• 1:25:46
  Come on in. Have sex with this woman who gave
• 1:25:49
  us consent. In fact, quite the opposite. I hate
• 1:25:52
  to say it, but let's say you're one of the two
• 1:25:54
  guys. You should be, and she passes
• 1:25:58
  out. At that point, you're supposed to lock the
• 1:26:02
  door, put a blanket over her, put a glass of
• 1:26:05
  water next to her and leave and tell all the
• 1:26:08
  other dudes to stay the fuck out of her room,
• 1:26:10
  right? Well, she agreed to have sex with the
• 1:26:11
  two guys. Yeah, but I'm saying the first two
• 1:26:14
  guys should have looked out for her.
• 1:26:17
  No, I guess I'm saying, no, I agree with you
• 1:26:19
  that the first two guys should have looked out
• 1:26:20
  for her. I'm saying the entire point of it all
• 1:26:22
  was to have sex with somebody on ketamine, meaning
• 1:26:25
  they were accomplishing their objective. The
• 1:26:27
  issue comes in where they allow five other guys
• 1:26:29
  to come in, meaning it's her right to say, I
• 1:26:31
  want to fuck two guys on ketamine. Yeah, totally.
• 1:26:33
  I have the right to do that. Yeah. I don't take
• 1:26:37
  issue with it, right? There's nothing wrong with
• 1:26:39
  having group sex. That's not the issue here.
• 1:26:41
  There's nothing wrong with having group sex.
• 1:26:42
  I don't mean to take issue with you taking ketamine
• 1:26:44
  and having group sex. The issue is you decided
• 1:26:46
  to do that shit with two kids who didn't give
• 1:26:48
  a shit about you and who brought in a bunch of
• 1:26:50
  other guys to have fun with. Yeah, in a frat,
• 1:26:52
  which is probably not a safe zone. Of all places.
• 1:26:56
  I guess for me, and I realize I'm coming from
• 1:27:01
  this from my experience with it. I grew up. There's
• 1:27:04
  a whole lot in this world that scares me. Alcohol
• 1:27:06
  and drugs is one of them. Anything that screws
• 1:27:08
  with my mind because I see how destructive it
• 1:27:10
  is. And I don't think that people have enough
• 1:27:15
  respect for just how destructive and how absolutely
• 1:27:19
  evil, and I'm using that word deliberately, those
• 1:27:22
  substances are. If you do that, you're putting
• 1:27:27
  yourself at the mercy of other people and you
• 1:27:32
  have no idea what's going to happen. Look, I
• 1:27:34
  would say pot opens my heart center. Meaning
• 1:27:37
  it makes me feel more. It makes me give a shit
• 1:27:40
  more. It makes me care more in a way that gives
• 1:27:42
  me a different perspective on people, reality,
• 1:27:45
  situations, all sorts of shit in a way that just
• 1:27:48
  wouldn't even cross my mind under normal circumstances.
• 1:27:53
  I am not a fan of alcohol. My grandfather was
• 1:27:55
  alcoholic. It's extraordinarily destructive.
• 1:28:01
  And so I have issues with it. Alcohol in general,
• 1:28:03
  right? I don't like. I'm not a big fan of drunks.
• 1:28:06
  I'm not a big fan of alcoholics especially. I
• 1:28:07
  don't even like to be around them having a drink
• 1:28:09
  or something. I don't really care about. And
• 1:28:12
  I would go to a bar and drink and smoke with
• 1:28:14
  somebody if we hung out and that type
• 1:28:16
  of stuff but alcoholics less so. But pot it's
• 1:28:21
  not. I don't know. It's different. Maybe
• 1:28:25
  Blues Funk is calling us to task here. You
• 1:28:28
  guys have had some really bizarre takes on women
• 1:28:30
  recently. Please elaborate. Please elaborate.
• 1:28:35
  Yeah, correct me on it. Because I could
• 1:28:36
  be wrong. You're talking to three men
• 1:28:38
  who may have a certain take. Again, my
• 1:28:41
  take is that this is rape if she's right. So
• 1:28:45
  I don't know how that's... The thing
• 1:28:47
  is, it's so fucked up, right? Because it's
• 1:28:50
  how do you... The system isn't set up to deal
• 1:28:55
  with a situation like this. It's
• 1:28:59
  what are the authorities?
• 1:29:03
  The authorities suck when it comes to rape accusations.
• 1:29:05
  But in fairness to the campus police and to Ithaca's
• 1:29:08
  finest, what are they supposed to do when you
• 1:29:11
  come to them and there were drugs
• 1:29:14
  involved? And people were unconscious and
• 1:29:17
  some people may have been there and might not
• 1:29:19
  have been there. And there's no physical evidence
• 1:29:22
  and everything is the first reports were
• 1:29:24
  three weeks late. It's all so famished,
• 1:29:28
  right? And the believe women thing doesn't really
• 1:29:30
  apply because that's not really the way the law
• 1:29:32
  works. You have to. Right, not to mention,
• 1:29:35
  I would say listen to women, listen to men, listen
• 1:29:39
  to everybody, but don't believe, don't
• 1:29:43
  just believe people. Well you have a burden of
• 1:29:45
  proof that you're stuck with meaning even if
• 1:29:48
  the rape took place even if everything in this
• 1:29:50
  happened exactly the same way that she said it
• 1:29:52
  happened you still have a burden of proof that
• 1:29:55
  you have to prove. Yeah. I'll be honest
• 1:29:58
  here. I think I do believe her. And
• 1:30:02
  I kind of think so. I think ethically,
• 1:30:05
  legally those five last guys all or some or most
• 1:30:11
  of them or some of them are rapists, right? All
• 1:30:13
  of them are rapists. But the question is, what
• 1:30:15
  the fuck can you do about it under our system
• 1:30:17
  where you can only send someone to prison when
• 1:30:21
  you can convict beyond a reasonable doubt? I
• 1:30:24
  don't think any prosecutor could convince any
• 1:30:27
  jury of 12 men and women to convict beyond a
• 1:30:31
  reasonable doubt with this amount of evidence
• 1:30:34
  unless there's stuff that we haven't heard yet,
• 1:30:36
  which they're very well aware of. I think they
• 1:30:36
  can get the conviction, but I don't know if the
• 1:30:38
  conviction is legit. Because as you point out,
• 1:30:40
  how do you convict beyond a reasonable doubt?
• 1:30:43
  Less than two guys just come on and say,
• 1:30:44
  yeah, we invited five other guys in. Yeah. If
• 1:30:48
  they do that, fair enough. The Snapchat does
• 1:30:51
  provide evidence. Yes. Yeah. But it's...
• 1:30:57
  It's evidence. It's not proof. Yeah.
• 1:30:59
  The problem is, if they indeed invited
• 1:31:02
  the five other guys in, they're all guilty, right?
• 1:31:05
  Not just the five that were brought in,
• 1:31:07
  but the two that allowed the other two to come
• 1:31:09
  in to rape her in the first place. Meaning,
• 1:31:11
  for one, look, ladies, if you're in college,
• 1:31:14
  keep in mind you're dealing with a 17-year-old
• 1:31:17
  or 18-year-old. You're dealing with a child,
• 1:31:20
  right? Yeah. I know they may say things to you
• 1:31:25
  in order to get you. There's a song by Florence
• 1:31:27
  and the Machine where she, what is it called?
• 1:31:31
  Sympathy for, sympathy, sympathy for love, sympathy
• 1:31:34
  for something. But in part of the song, she goes
• 1:31:38
  into this thing of love where she's saying it
• 1:31:41
  out loud and it cuts through you, right? Like
• 1:31:43
  a wind. But then you realize that there's a part
• 1:31:46
  of it where it goes into very sexual behavior
• 1:31:48
  where she's laying on the ground and
• 1:31:50
  hopping in the air and stuff like that. And you
• 1:31:51
  think to yourself, okay, but these two things,
• 1:31:53
  what she's saying in the headspace that
• 1:31:57
  the person is in, the headspace is, I'm in love
• 1:32:00
  with this person. This is love. This is pure
• 1:32:02
  love. And then it's but love's being fused
• 1:32:05
  with sex. Both of these things are coming in
• 1:32:07
  correlation with one another. But how do you
• 1:32:09
  know that that's in the other person's mind?
• 1:32:11
  The song is amazing to me. Sympathy of Magic
• 1:32:14
  or something. Magic Sympathy or something. Whatever
• 1:32:17
  the song is. It's in her mind. The entire
• 1:32:21
  song is something that's happening in a person's
• 1:32:23
  mind. And I thought to myself, if she's 18 and
• 1:32:27
  you're dealing with another 18-year-old, that's
• 1:32:29
  not in his mind. The song is amazing in a way
• 1:32:34
  that it fuses sex and love together as one thing,
• 1:32:36
  as if this is one solid note that is coming out
• 1:32:39
  of this particular individual. You have no fucking
• 1:32:40
  clue what's in that person's mind. If they're
• 1:32:42
  17, 18, 19, it's probably not love. It wasn't
• 1:32:46
  love for me at that age. It was for me. Really?
• 1:32:51
  I was head over heels. Yeah, totally. Wow. I
• 1:32:56
  was head over heels later in life. Yeah.
• 1:33:00
  You can definitely be insanely in love at that
• 1:33:06
  age. No question about it. Of course. No, no.
• 1:33:10
  I'm not taking it away. I'm just saying many
• 1:33:13
  guys, 17, 18, 19, there is a very strong urge
• 1:33:21
  that is in those guys. Oh, no, it's
• 1:33:24
  fucking insane. Honestly,
• 1:33:27
  probably, boys that age should be locked
• 1:33:29
  up and not allowed to walk around in society.
• 1:33:35
  She took my virginity, the first woman I had
• 1:33:38
  direct sex with. So here we go. Okay, so maybe
• 1:33:41
  Blues Funk elaborated a little bit, not just protective-like.
• 1:33:45
  We also need to confront men and not just
• 1:33:50
  make our lives small because of fear. They should
• 1:33:54
  be afraid that we'll fight back. Wait, I don't
• 1:33:57
  know what that means, though. I'm not really
• 1:33:58
  sure what that means either. But I think what
• 1:34:01
  it basically means is that women shouldn't have,
• 1:34:03
  why should women be living a life of fear, right?
• 1:34:06
  They shouldn't be living a life of fear, which
• 1:34:07
  was the reason why I made the argument. A woman
• 1:34:11
  has every right to say, I want to take care of
• 1:34:15
  me and I want to have sex with you. God bless
• 1:34:18
  her, right? Yeah, seriously. That is nothing
• 1:34:22
  wrong with that. That's her choice. For me, that's
• 1:34:24
  a free will issue. It is not up for the other
• 1:34:27
  guys to say, hey guys, the party's here. Let's
• 1:34:31
  all have sex with this unconscious woman who
• 1:34:34
  had no idea. Yeah, fuck that Brett Kavanaugh
• 1:34:37
  bullshit. Yeah, no. It's nonsense. Meaning,
• 1:34:40
  even if she is vulnerable. You shouldn't have
• 1:34:44
  to be worried about all the more reason if, look,
• 1:34:46
  if anyone is vulnerable, that's basic
• 1:34:50
  humanity that you should protect them
• 1:34:53
  and take care of them. I didn't leave Chris in
• 1:34:55
  the stairwell. You know what I mean? It's
• 1:34:58
  when you see
• 1:35:00
  people in trouble, you're supposed to protect
• 1:35:02
  them. No, I remember one night,
• 1:35:07
  look, and by the way, I do really
• 1:35:10
  appreciate this comment from Duskburn. I respect
• 1:35:12
  JT and Ted and Robby for literally just being
• 1:35:14
  straight with their audience, even if they're
• 1:35:17
  fucked up, LOL. I don't think we're fucked up.
• 1:35:20
  How are we fucked up? We're talking about hard,
• 1:35:24
  real shit here. One time I met a girl at a bar
• 1:35:27
  and we went to her place and things got literally
• 1:35:33
  right up to the point of penetration. And then
• 1:35:35
  she said, I'd rather just stop
• 1:35:39
  at this point and maybe we can just hug. And
• 1:35:41
  I was like, listen. So I stopped immediately.
• 1:35:45
  I was drunk, but I have that presence of mind.
• 1:35:47
  I stopped and I was like, you know what? I should
• 1:35:50
  just go home. And I went home. But what are you
• 1:35:51
  supposed to do? I went home and I jerked off.
• 1:35:53
  Right. But I remember thinking to myself, I will
• 1:35:59
  never. She's this is dangerous, right?
• 1:36:02
  She might do this with someone else and
• 1:36:05
  if she takes some dumb-ass jock home
• 1:36:08
  it might end badly and I was just thinking
• 1:36:10
  now did I, was I a hero? No I just did what you're
• 1:36:13
  supposed to do. But the fact
• 1:36:18
  is there's physical... No, women shouldn't be
• 1:36:21
  more afraid than men. But the fact is that men,
• 1:36:23
  on average, are bigger and stronger than women.
• 1:36:25
  So it's the reality of the physical composition
• 1:36:30
  of our species. Yeah, I just... In that
• 1:36:34
  moment, were we supposed to be forced to switch
• 1:36:35
  to the Foreigner? That's what I mean.
• 1:36:38
  I don't even see... It's not being a hero.
• 1:36:41
  Maybe Blues Funk says, yeah, again, the
• 1:36:43
  way you're framing this, it's all about what
• 1:36:45
  the man needs. Not at all. I'm framing it by
• 1:36:49
  what the man needs? No. I'm going to catch some
• 1:36:53
  flack from what I'm about to say. And I understand
• 1:36:55
  that. First time ever. But I'm coming
• 1:36:59
  to y'all as sincerely and as open-hearted as
• 1:37:03
  I possibly can. If I had it my way, if I was
• 1:37:07
  made dictator, I would ban drugs. God help us
• 1:37:10
  all. I would ban alcohol. And anyone who was
• 1:37:13
  caught selling it would be executed because of
• 1:37:15
  how dangerous this crap is. It's a very, very
• 1:37:19
  dangerous drug. And people play with it. People
• 1:37:21
  use it. It kills tens of thousands of people.
• 1:37:25
  And the reason why I'm coming at this, I have
• 1:37:26
  been the victims of it. I've got the scars on
• 1:37:30
  my body from where my mother threw boiling hot
• 1:37:32
  water on me when I was five years old because
• 1:37:34
  I asked her for something to eat because she
• 1:37:36
  was stolen out of her mind. My father broke my
• 1:37:39
  left arm because he was drunk out of his mind.
• 1:37:42
  There is nothing good at all. At all. At all.
• 1:37:47
  About drugs or alcohol. It is a poison. Run away
• 1:37:52
  from it. Seriously. What I'm saying is going to
• 1:37:58
  piss people off and people say there's Robby
• 1:38:01
  being a Nazi. Fine. So be it. But that's where I'm
• 1:38:04
  coming from. I'm being as honest with
• 1:38:06
  y'all as I can. If you love your kids encourage
• 1:38:10
  them to stay away from this crap. And football.
• 1:38:12
  No football. I would tell you that I would ban
• 1:38:15
  hamburgers if you're going to ban alcohol. I
• 1:38:18
  would ban fast food places. There's so much shit
• 1:38:21
  that you could ban that's going to cause people
• 1:38:22
  to die and all this other stuff. Objectively,
• 1:38:26
  look, everything Robby said is right.
• 1:38:28
  First of all, I hate drugs. I don't think everything
• 1:38:30
  Robby said was right. I don't think that this
• 1:38:33
  stuff is without alcohol. Okay, fair enough.
• 1:38:36
  Again, it's a little complicated, but
• 1:38:40
  overall. Meaning, my grandfather was an
• 1:38:44
  asshole even before the alcohol. Sure. I have
• 1:38:48
  other family members who were fucked up before
• 1:38:50
  the drugs. It wasn't the drugs. They were already
• 1:38:52
  fucked. In vino veritas, right? In wine, truth.
• 1:38:58
  It's when people are,
• 1:39:01
  drugs, especially alcohol, tends to expose your
• 1:39:04
  real personality. It doesn't turn nice people
• 1:39:07
  into monsters. Yeah. I don't know any
• 1:39:09
  person who... It's when Mel Gibson was pulled
• 1:39:13
  over by that cop and he spewed off a bunch of
• 1:39:15
  anti-Semitic bullshit. Yeah, that's Mel Gibson.
• 1:39:19
  Yeah, a non-anti-Semitic guy isn't going
• 1:39:23
  to do that. Right. He doesn't think that, right?
• 1:39:27
  I don't know. Alcohol, yeah. Pot? I gotta
• 1:39:31
  be honest. I don't know anybody on pot who was
• 1:39:33
  wild and belligerent. If anything, they just
• 1:39:36
  chill the fuck out. Oh, I... The only time I
• 1:39:40
  did pot to any significant amount, I got belligerent.
• 1:39:45
  Did you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not good for
• 1:39:47
  me at all. Even Chris, the degenerate druggie,
• 1:39:50
  he said I should never have pot ever. The people
• 1:39:55
  who I knew had pot, they were just... I'm basically
• 1:39:57
  allergic to it. Yeah, they were just zoners.
• 1:40:00
  And like I said, for me, just... So Matina has
• 1:40:02
  the question here. How do we make men consider
• 1:40:05
  the woman as a person? That is the question.
• 1:40:09
  Well, we all need to be considering each other
• 1:40:11
  as people. But I'm still, I'm old school.
• 1:40:15
  I do think men as the bigger, physically larger
• 1:40:19
  specimens of the species should be protective
• 1:40:22
  of women. Right. And if you know
• 1:40:25
  a woman is vulnerable, you should protect her.
• 1:40:28
  You should protect the vulnerable in our society
• 1:40:30
  should always be protected. But yeah,
• 1:40:33
  I think young guys often,
• 1:40:37
  they look at the opposite sex they
• 1:40:40
  don't know them well and they don't understand
• 1:40:42
  them and they don't view them as people and they
• 1:40:44
  view them as sex objects. In fairness it
• 1:40:46
  can go the other way around too. I knew lots of
• 1:40:48
  girls who just viewed man as a meal ticket or
• 1:40:51
  whatever. But it goes both ways just
• 1:40:55
  different ways. Yeah. Dehumanization. Yeah. Let me
• 1:40:59
  actually this so this happened in real
• 1:41:01
  life. So when I first got back to
• 1:41:04
  the States I partially blind still is
• 1:41:09
  you can't see up my left eye, blood pressure
• 1:41:11
  issues and there was this woman who at the time
• 1:41:16
  was showing interest and I didn't understand
• 1:41:18
  why. In fact I didn't understand what was going
• 1:41:21
  on with her if I'm being bluntly honest with
• 1:41:22
  her. This was when I was traveling at the time
• 1:41:24
  still relatively good health at the time when
• 1:41:27
  I was traveling and she was showing interest.
• 1:41:29
  I really didn't pay her any mind. I didn't
• 1:41:32
  wasn't feeling her that way anything else. When
• 1:41:34
  I lay back into the U.S. We meet up and it's
• 1:41:38
  hey, all right, let's go paintball shooting.
• 1:41:41
  So for one, she doesn't dress for it. She has
• 1:41:45
  on almost a low top of sorts. And
• 1:41:50
  it's supposed to be a costume paintball party.
• 1:41:51
  So everybody was supposed to have costumes on
• 1:41:53
  when they had paintball. I end up as Superman.
• 1:41:55
  I forget. She ended up like a chef. But again,
• 1:41:58
  ill-prepared, not dressed for it. I had family
• 1:42:00
  members that came. And of course, the family
• 1:42:02
  members are like, who's that chick? Now, again,
• 1:42:04
  I wasn't bringing her there as a relationship
• 1:42:06
  thing. I was bringing her there just because
• 1:42:07
  I wanted, I think I was trying to make friends
• 1:42:10
  and I consider, okay, well, she's somebody new
• 1:42:13
  that I met, so I'll bring her with me, but it
• 1:42:15
  wasn't a relationship thing. She, everybody
• 1:42:19
  gets taken out of the game because everybody
• 1:42:21
  gets shot. She's the last person in. And the
• 1:42:25
  people have a pincer maneuver and ends up hitting
• 1:42:28
  her with three different shots, back
• 1:42:31
  to back to back. And she flips out. She loses
• 1:42:34
  her shit. The
• 1:42:38
  level of rage that came out of her was shocking. So shocking that
• 1:42:41
  my family member was like, who's this gangster
• 1:42:43
  chick that you're all... Right? It was
• 1:42:48
  shocking. All of us were like, whoa. She's
• 1:42:51
  you motherfuckers. You effing...
• 1:42:53
  Dropping 20 f-bombs. She was furious. Yeah.
• 1:42:56
  Furious. And I'm sitting there, watching
• 1:43:00
  this, whoa. That's the only thing that's
• 1:43:03
  on my mind. Whoa. And we go back. And come
• 1:43:07
  to find out, she's pissed off at me. And I'm
• 1:43:10
  why are you pissed off at me? I don't even
• 1:43:12
  realize she's pissed off at me until later. And
• 1:43:14
  her thing was basically, you didn't defend me.
• 1:43:17
  Defend you how? You didn't go and what was I
• 1:43:21
  supposed to do? Have a fight with the people
• 1:43:22
  who shot you? And to be fair, they did shoot
• 1:43:26
  multiple times. These are guys who do paintball
• 1:43:27
  all the time. And they play paintball the way.
• 1:43:30
  Ted and I used to play chess. We used to be malicious
• 1:43:32
  when we used to play chess with each other. We
• 1:43:33
  used to try to humiliate the other person in
• 1:43:35
  public when we played chess. It's oh, look
• 1:43:37
  at that guy. He's sweating under his arms. He's
• 1:43:39
  getting his ass kicked. Oh, look at him. Everybody.
• 1:43:41
  And we want people to laugh. They
• 1:43:43
  played paintball in that kind of way, the malicious
• 1:43:45
  way. And her thing was kind of well, I
• 1:43:48
  wanted you to fight. Or at the very least, I
• 1:43:50
  wanted you to defend, quote, defend women. And
• 1:43:53
  it's you're in a paintball game. You're
• 1:43:56
  ill dressed for it. If you would have dressed
• 1:43:57
  for it properly, it wouldn't have hurt as much.
• 1:44:00
  There's that. And in general, it's paintball.
• 1:44:04
  It hurts. That's why I don't play paintball.
• 1:44:08
  But that's why I do play paintball. It's the
• 1:44:10
  risk. The risk is the part of it. The fact
• 1:44:13
  that you don't get hit. The fact that there's
• 1:44:16
  pain when you do get hit. That's the point. She
• 1:44:20
  was pissed. Yeah. Yeah. For one, I think she
• 1:44:23
  was a lunatic. There's that. So it's not a loss.
• 1:44:25
  It kind of sounds like that. What did she expect?
• 1:44:28
  Did she expect somebody who literally
• 1:44:31
  got out the hospital a while ago has a blood
• 1:44:34
  pressure of 60 over 30 and is partially
• 1:44:36
  blind to go have a fight with people who shot
• 1:44:39
  you in the middle of the game?
• 1:44:46
  To me this was okay she's insane and my family
• 1:44:48
  even looked at it as you're insane and yeah.
• 1:44:53
  So this is interesting here. Jessica says,
• 1:44:58
  maybe if consequences for sexual assault and
• 1:44:59
  rape were a guarantee, men would make more of
• 1:45:02
  an effort to understand women. I know, but how
• 1:45:05
  do you prove that the guy did it or that the
• 1:45:08
  woman is not faking it? Well, nothing's a consequence
• 1:45:10
  for, nothing for any crime is a consequence,
• 1:45:13
  is a guaranteed consequence, right?
• 1:45:16
  It's saying if there were, if
• 1:45:18
  it was guaranteed that you'd be, there'd be a
• 1:45:20
  consequence for robbing a bank or whatever.
• 1:45:23
  But there isn't. I think most college-aged
• 1:45:26
  men don't think there will be consequences. You
• 1:45:30
  know what I got to tell you? Knowledge is the
• 1:45:32
  issue. I got to say, I think maybe there's a
• 1:45:35
  point here that's more about, honestly,
• 1:45:38
  your brain's not really fully formed until you're
• 1:45:40
  about 25. You don't really have a sense of consequence
• 1:45:44
  in general when you're that age, right?
• 1:45:48
  That's why. Just give me an example
• 1:45:51
  not sexual at all. I locked myself out of my dorm
• 1:45:55
  room once. My dorm room was on the 10th floor
• 1:45:57
  of John Jay Hall. I was not in the mood to go
• 1:46:02
  and to the housing office and wait two hours
• 1:46:05
  to get a spare key. So I went to the bathroom
• 1:46:08
  and I walked on the outside of the building on
• 1:46:13
  a ledge that was about a foot wide. And I knew
• 1:46:16
  my window was open and crawled through the window
• 1:46:18
  of my dorm. I would do that today. I'm an idiot.
• 1:46:22
  Okay. I was, but I was an idiot at, I
• 1:46:26
  was really an idiot at 19. And you're more,
• 1:46:30
  you don't consider the consequences.
• 1:46:31
  Now, if I was going to do that, I'd be far
• 1:46:34
  more, do I want to do this? Maybe I would.
• 1:46:39
  Maybe I would. But the point is, but the point
• 1:46:42
  is. I didn't even give it much thought. I'm
• 1:46:45
  yeah, what the fuck? That's the point,
• 1:46:48
  right? And it's you do a lot of shit like
• 1:46:50
  that. I walked on the subway
• 1:46:53
  tracks, on active subway tracks, did all sorts
• 1:46:55
  of stupid shit. I drove 120 miles an hour.
• 1:47:00
  I did shit because you're fucking young.
• 1:47:03
  And so it's I think it's sort of
• 1:47:07
  asking 18, 19, 20 year olds to be responsible
• 1:47:11
  is, it's kind of good luck.
• 1:47:14
  That'd be nice. Good luck. Are you serious? Accidentally
• 1:47:17
  did not be rapist. Well not to be raped should
• 1:47:21
  not be rapist. That's easy.
• 1:47:23
  When that's easy. Honestly. And yeah. Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  I think the problem with it.
• 1:47:31
  I'm 63 years old and when I was 18 I knew I knew
• 1:47:35
  if a girl was out of it that
• 1:47:37
  the only thing to do was to put a blanket
• 1:47:41
  on her and leave, right? I knew that. The problem
• 1:47:43
  is straightforward and it's a human issue. It's
• 1:47:45
  not even just a man issue. Women just so happen
• 1:47:48
  to have the unfortunate distinction of having
• 1:47:50
  a resource that men don't have access to without
• 1:47:53
  dealing with the women. And just like oil in the
• 1:47:58
  Middle East was oh, you have the misfortune
• 1:47:59
  of being born on a country that
• 1:48:03
  has oil and that the United States kind of wants
• 1:48:05
  to get access to. Not everybody is going to be
• 1:48:08
  the most moral, honest, ethical in dealing with
• 1:48:12
  women and trying to get that particular resource
• 1:48:14
  any more than the U.S. is in trying to get the
• 1:48:16
  resources from Iran, Venezuela or Iraq. Meaning
• 1:48:19
  it's a human issue. It's not just a man. It's
• 1:48:21
  just a human issue. Women do something similar
• 1:48:23
  in regards to going after men sometimes. Specifically
• 1:48:25
  in this case. And her point is, how do we get
• 1:48:28
  men to be decent human beings to not do this?
• 1:48:31
  Part of it is, it's how they're raised.
• 1:48:35
  It's about, certainly it's frustrating.
• 1:48:39
  I would really like, the thing is, there's
• 1:48:40
  no, okay, so sex 99% of the time, 99.999%
• 1:48:46
  of the time happens behind closed doors, right?
• 1:48:48
  So there's no witness by definition. There's
• 1:48:51
  no camera most of the time, right? So. It's kind
• 1:48:55
  of so anything that happens, especially
• 1:48:58
  it often involves people use alcohol to loosen
• 1:49:01
  themselves up so that they can get brave enough
• 1:49:03
  to have sex or to ask for sex. And the contradiction
• 1:49:08
  of having men to be hunters while simultaneously
• 1:49:11
  telling them at times, stop hunting. Right. This
• 1:49:16
  is not an excuse, by the way. I'm not trying
• 1:49:19
  to craft an excuse. It's just kind of a
• 1:49:21
  problem that you don't know how, I don't know
• 1:49:23
  how you solve it. But that's a human problem.
• 1:49:27
  That's a problem of humanity in general. How
• 1:49:29
  do you make moral people? How do you make ethical
• 1:49:31
  people? How do you make people not do shit that's
• 1:49:33
  protestably violent or illegal? That's
• 1:49:36
  true with government. That's true with individuals.
• 1:49:39
  That's true across the board. What's crazy is
• 1:49:41
  we all as a society agree from a very early age
• 1:49:44
  that rape is one of the absolute worst things
• 1:49:46
  that a human being can do to one another. And
• 1:49:49
  yet, so many people do it. There's not
• 1:49:53
  a lot of crimes that we have broad agreement
• 1:49:56
  are really bad and that, yet lots of people
• 1:49:59
  do, except rape is one of them.
• 1:50:03
  We broadly agree murder is wrong, and most
• 1:50:06
  of us don't do it. Well,
• 1:50:10
  the majority of humanity, I don't think, does
• 1:50:12
  it. Right. Right. No, I think most people just
• 1:50:16
  want to be decent people. But it's an intimate
• 1:50:20
  crime. And it's a crime specific to the
• 1:50:24
  individuals in this case. I guess you
• 1:50:26
  can have gang rapes, of course. But in this case...
• 1:50:28
  As in this case. As in this case. But oftentimes,
• 1:50:33
  as you point out, it's silent. It's independent.
• 1:50:36
  And that's kind of a... So with that, you have
• 1:50:39
  no witnesses. You have... Yeah. It's...
• 1:50:43
  So it's... The problem is, it's... We set up
• 1:50:46
  the... We set up... Our culture sets up a situation
• 1:50:50
  where it's going to keep happening. And there's
• 1:50:53
  no way really to hold anyone accountable in a
• 1:50:56
  reliable way after it happens. That's the issue.
• 1:51:00
  So that's why it's an ongoing problem. Videotape
• 1:51:03
  all six? Maybe. Yeah. Look, remember,
• 1:51:07
  do you remember the Antioch College rules?
• 1:51:10
  Where I remember one of my early cartoons was
• 1:51:13
  about this, but it was sort of
• 1:51:15
  now at this time, I would like to gently
• 1:51:19
  stroke in a counterclockwise manner your right
• 1:51:22
  knuckle of your, of the, of one of your
• 1:51:27
  fingers if is that acceptable? Yes I hereby consent
• 1:51:31
  to that at this time. No more. Please initial. Yes.
• 1:51:34
  Yes. Please sign here. We have to call
• 1:51:38
  a notary and use it and you every single step
• 1:51:41
  of a sexual encounter was supposed to be
• 1:51:44
  specifically verbally consented to. Of
• 1:51:48
  course that's just not how. Romance,
• 1:51:50
  seduction, it doesn't work that way.
• 1:51:53
  Who the hell wants to have sex like that? Yeah,
• 1:51:55
  I cut off my dick first. Are you kidding?
• 1:51:58
  Approved. Yeah, that's not the way it works.
• 1:52:04
  No, it's just not reality. So it turns out that
• 1:52:07
  the pilot on the Israel-bound flight, according
• 1:52:11
  to Netanyahu, so who knows if this is true, but
• 1:52:14
  apparently the co-pilot stabbed the pilot. I
• 1:52:20
  don't know if that's true. No, no, that is what
• 1:52:23
  is being... Oh, wow. So remember Christa Pike,
• 1:52:28
  the woman who would be executed in Tennessee?
• 1:52:31
  This is a big death penalty case. Anyway, a court
• 1:52:37
  has one hour before she was supposed to be executed,
• 1:52:40
  she got a stay from the court. Did she? Can you
• 1:52:45
  imagine the stress? Can you imagine the stress
• 1:52:48
  of that? Yeah, she was going to be the first
• 1:52:51
  woman executed in Tennessee in 200 years. So
• 1:52:55
  she lured a friend. She was 18 years old. She
• 1:53:03
  and a friend lured a third friend out into the
• 1:53:06
  woods and basically stabbed their friend to death
• 1:53:12
  for fun. How do we get women to stop luring other
• 1:53:16
  women and stabbing them? It does remind me of
• 1:53:22
  the Slenderman case. It reminds me of the Heavenly
• 1:53:25
  Creatures case in Australia. Or New Zealand.
• 1:53:30
  How do we get women to stop doing this? Yeah,
• 1:53:34
  such an ongoing problem. Such a hard problem.
• 1:53:39
  All right, well, we have to talk about ICE a
• 1:53:41
  little bit. So ICE is going to hire another 5,000
• 1:53:44
  people. I think that's just worth mentioning.
• 1:53:47
  I thought there were 500 people recently. Yeah,
• 1:53:49
  they were. Now they're going to hire more. Maybe
• 1:53:52
  they'll hire back the people that they fired.
• 1:53:54
  And the Supreme Court has issued an injunction
• 1:53:58
  allowing Trump to continue to send people to
• 1:54:01
  deport people to countries that they have nothing
• 1:54:03
  to do with, not the countries of their origin.
• 1:54:06
  I have a feeling they'll probably allow him to
• 1:54:08
  continue doing it on a permanent basis. The president
• 1:54:11
  has wide latitude. He does. I'm really interested
• 1:54:15
  in the question about the tax form, though. Oh,
• 1:54:24
  citizenship, yeah. Yeah, so basically it seems
• 1:54:27
  pretty innocent, right, at face value. Currently,
• 1:54:31
  Form 1040 does not care if you're a citizen or
• 1:54:34
  not or a legal resident. They just want to collect
• 1:54:36
  your taxes. And if you don't have a Social Security
• 1:54:38
  number, they don't care. The IRS just wants you
• 1:54:41
  to pay your taxes and whatever. So this would
• 1:54:45
  be a change. And it turns out that there's kind
• 1:54:48
  of two really sinister motives by the Trump administration.
• 1:54:52
  First of all, they're trying to scare legal immigrants
• 1:54:55
  into not filing their taxes, which would mean
• 1:54:58
  that they wouldn't qualify for things like the
• 1:55:00
  earned income, the earned tax credit. So in some
• 1:55:03
  cases you might owe, you might have to
• 1:55:06
  pay two hundred dollars but you would get a net
• 1:55:08
  one thousand dollars so you get, sorry, you eight
• 1:55:11
  hundred dollars back. They wouldn't get that because
• 1:55:14
  they'd be they're scared of filling
• 1:55:16
  out that group, that form so they'll drop out
• 1:55:18
  of the tax system and in other cases. It would
• 1:55:21
  turn people who are either undocumented workers
• 1:55:24
  or maybe not undocumented into tax evaders, which
• 1:55:28
  would then allow the administration to put them
• 1:55:31
  in prison. Yeah. Because obviously,
• 1:55:37
  if you have any question about your status, you're
• 1:55:41
  not going to get that. You may not get those
• 1:55:43
  taxes. If you're very concerned, especially
• 1:55:46
  if you're concerned that, well, if I put my address
• 1:55:48
  and everything else. ICE can just show up at
• 1:55:50
  my house and take me away. Yeah, it's sinister.
• 1:55:57
  See, this is one of those things where
• 1:56:01
  the government should not want to put that on
• 1:56:03
  the form. Under normal circumstances,
• 1:56:06
  for good sense reasons, you want people to file
• 1:56:09
  their taxes, in which case you don't want them
• 1:56:11
  to have any disincentive of it. It's kind of
• 1:56:13
  like college, where it's the amount of money
• 1:56:15
  that you pay for college is a disincentive to
• 1:56:17
  go to college, even though you want as many people
• 1:56:19
  to go to college as possible. For this kind of
• 1:56:21
  world economy that we have at our disposal. No,
• 1:56:24
  it's a disincentive. And yeah, you're right,
• 1:56:25
  it's sinister. Again, do you think any
• 1:56:28
  of this stuff is going to last beyond Trump?
• 1:56:30
  Well, God, I'm so glad you mentioned that. I'm
• 1:56:33
  obsessed with that question. I think most of
• 1:56:36
  it will. A lot of it will. Let's put
• 1:56:38
  it this way. We're not going to get a Charles
• 1:56:40
  de Gaulle situation where the next president
• 1:56:42
  comes in and signs an executive order that says
• 1:56:44
  all executive orders issued for the last four
• 1:56:47
  years are invalid by definition. You could, but
• 1:56:50
  they're not going to do that. No, I think they're
• 1:56:51
  going to keep a lot of this shit. We
• 1:56:53
  know from history that Democratic presidents
• 1:56:56
  tend to keep Republican, a lot of stuff that
• 1:56:59
  Republican predecessors did. Not all, but a lot.
• 1:57:03
  And certainly the big important things. That
• 1:57:06
  citizenship question, it's not going
• 1:57:08
  to go away because here's the thing. Let's say
• 1:57:10
  you're President Newsom, or President
• 1:57:13
  Buttigieg. It's oh, we should get rid of
• 1:57:16
  that. That was a really gross Trump thing. It's
• 1:57:18
  but Mr. President, the Republicans are
• 1:57:22
  then going to characterize you as weak on illegal
• 1:57:24
  immigration. You don't want that. We're already
• 1:57:27
  a little bit down in the polls. You can't afford
• 1:57:29
  that. Yeah, you're right. Just let it stay on.
• 1:57:32
  That's the conversation they always have. The
• 1:57:35
  Sonali wing of the Democratic Party is going
• 1:57:39
  to scream bloody murder to get this thing off
• 1:57:42
  the form. Well, they should. And they are. I
• 1:57:46
  think they are. Look at what Joe Biden
• 1:57:47
  did when Trump got in office. Oh, we're going
• 1:57:50
  to open the border. He did it only because Donald
• 1:57:52
  Trump had such a border policy that he wanted
• 1:57:55
  to show that he's the opposite of Trump. He's
• 1:57:57
  different than Trump. So the first thing they
• 1:57:58
  did was remove some of the provisions that Donald
• 1:58:01
  Trump had around immigration and whatnot. Now,
• 1:58:03
  whether he should remove them or not is secondary
• 1:58:05
  to the point that he did it is the point that
• 1:58:07
  I'm trying to make. There are certain issues,
• 1:58:09
  especially things that don't cost Democrats money
• 1:58:11
  or things that don't go against their funders.
• 1:58:15
  They're bribers. But they'll do it. This will
• 1:58:19
  cost the Treasury. Yeah, well, it will
• 1:58:21
  put some money into the Treasury's pocket a little
• 1:58:24
  bit. A drop in the bucket, I would imagine.
• 1:58:27
  Yeah, but it's not raising taxes on the rich.
• 1:58:29
  It's not Medicare for All. It's not any of these
• 1:58:32
  things that will be lifts. This is remove this
• 1:58:37
  thing off the thing. Hey, am I not great for
• 1:58:40
  doing this on my illegal? But we can still stipulate
• 1:58:44
  the odds of this going, continuing,
• 1:58:47
  going away under a Democratic administration
• 1:58:50
  are not 100%, right? True. Yes. Agreed. No, I
• 1:58:54
  agree with you. They keep a lot of that stuff,
• 1:58:56
  like the Obama stuff, the taxes, the grotesque
• 1:59:01
  tax cuts. And Democrats called them everything
• 1:59:04
  but a child of God, and Obama kept 80%.
• 1:59:06
  So, yeah, they'll keep them, most of it. This
• 1:59:10
  is a good question for Robby. Robby, how do
• 1:59:12
  you support guns which get to be dangerous in
• 1:59:14
  the wrong hands, but not drugs? That's easy because
• 1:59:17
  guns prevent the government from getting a monopoly
• 1:59:20
  on force. Alcohol doesn't do that. Drugs don't
• 1:59:24
  do that. No, but with guns, for example, let's
• 1:59:27
  take ICE, for example. If some goon kicks in
• 1:59:33
  my door, I will send him to be Jesus. I will
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  shoot him. To take that collectively. If a government
• 1:59:41
  truly becomes tyrannical, for example
• 1:59:44
  how Black Lives Matter how they were saying
• 1:59:46
  that that the government is systemically racist
• 1:59:49
  that they are coming after Black people then
• 1:59:52
  the absolute worst thing that you could ever
• 1:59:54
  encourage Black people to do and Black pastors
• 1:59:56
  encourage Black people to do this is turn in
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  your guns because at that point you are giving
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  the state that you believe is oppressive a monopoly
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  on force. The entire point of the Second Amendment
• 2:00:07
  is to hunt the two-legged monsters who are coming
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  after you whether they're in a uniform or out.
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  That's the difference. That's the distinction.
• 2:00:15
  One destroys your agency. One that's not really
• 2:00:19
  addressing the question. The question is how many
• 2:00:22
  people have gun violence versus drug violence.
• 2:00:25
  Yeah that depends on how you characterize
• 2:00:27
  it. I talk about self-defense and accidents or
• 2:00:29
  just murder because a lot of times
• 2:00:32
  with homicide that also that factors in. Well I think
• 2:00:35
  you have to count accidents and I think you have
• 2:00:36
  to count non-self-defense homicides.
• 2:00:40
  Yeah. We know that 70,000 Americans
• 2:00:43
  a year die every year from illegal drugs. We
• 2:00:47
  don't know. That is a factor in people
• 2:00:49
  who are using illegal drugs. Drugs kill a lot
• 2:00:51
  of people. Booze kills a lot of people. Guns
• 2:00:53
  kill a lot of people. But guns kill less, though.
• 2:00:57
  The difference is, though, is that Mao Zedong,
• 2:00:59
  I don't have much use for the guy, but he got
• 2:01:01
  this right. When he said that political power
• 2:01:03
  grows out of the barrel of a rifle. He's right. There's
• 2:01:07
  a lot of truth in that. Oh, that's totally true.
• 2:01:08
  And the last thing that you ever want to have
• 2:01:11
  happen is for a government, any government, to
• 2:01:14
  have a monopoly on force. Because at that point,
• 2:01:17
  when they go tyrannical, you have no way of fighting.
• 2:01:19
  That's not addressing the point. The
• 2:01:21
  fact that guns can be used to hunt delicious
• 2:01:24
  squirrels and that they can be used to kill asshole
• 2:01:28
  invading troops, all those things are great about
• 2:01:31
  guns. But like if a but, the fact
• 2:01:35
  is guns also are dangerous. So
• 2:01:41
  do the dangers justify? It's sort of
• 2:01:45
  saying like alcohol. In some cases, alcohol is
• 2:01:48
  good for you. Right. There's some studies
• 2:01:50
  that have shown that it reduces your chances
• 2:01:53
  of heart disease. But
• 2:01:57
  overall, it has a net negative. Nicotine
• 2:02:00
  can cause you to lose weight, which is great.
• 2:02:03
  But overall, it's bad for you. So the question
• 2:02:06
  is, are guns a net benefit or a net positive?
• 2:02:10
  They are a net benefit and they are a net positive
• 2:02:14
  because they keep the government from getting
• 2:02:17
  a monopoly on force. Alcohol and drugs do not
• 2:02:19
  do that. Now, one of the things. I think one
• 2:02:23
  of the reasons why we don't have rioting in the
• 2:02:25
  streets in this country right now is because
• 2:02:27
  too many of the, too much of the population is
• 2:02:29
  on depressants rather than form of a pill or
• 2:02:32
  because of alcohol. I think that just factors
• 2:02:35
  into it. I don't know. This country is, we live
• 2:02:38
  in a fascist government and all the gun
• 2:02:40
  owners aren't doing shit about it, right? That's
• 2:02:42
  my point. So what are you guys doing? You're
• 2:02:45
  not defending us. From who? From what? From our
• 2:02:49
  fascist government. Well, there are some people
• 2:02:52
  who tried to – they're called the Oath Keepers,
• 2:02:55
  and I'm pretty sure that the two people here
• 2:02:56
  to my left wanted to put them on a cross because
• 2:02:59
  they took their guns to resist, in my opinion,
• 2:03:03
  they're dead wrong, a fascist takeover of the
• 2:03:06
  state. Listen, just because you have guns does
• 2:03:10
  not mean – Wait a minute. Oath Keepers were involved
• 2:03:12
  in trying to have a fascist takeover of the state,
• 2:03:15
  meaning when they were looking at Trump, waiting
• 2:03:17
  for Trump to give the heads up for them to get
• 2:03:20
  their guns and then come to what they weren't
• 2:03:22
  doing that for me they weren't doing they weren't
• 2:03:25
  doing that for even right wing
• 2:03:28
  right-wingers they were doing it for a fascist
• 2:03:30
  takeover. Yeah and that's my and that's my whole
• 2:03:33
  point so if you don't want if you don't want
• 2:03:35
  a bunch of fascists to take over then the last
• 2:03:38
  thing that you ever have they had guns in order
• 2:03:42
  to do that. How many millions of Americans
• 2:03:47
  now let me put you this way if y'all are
• 2:03:50
  right and the government if the government is
• 2:03:52
  fascist and by the way I don't know if we're
• 2:03:55
  fascists we're definitely an oligarchy
• 2:03:56
  we're well on our way I would submit to you the
• 2:04:00
  only reason that we are not full-throated goose-stepping
• 2:04:02
  in Nazi Germany style is because so
• 2:04:05
  much of the American populace has guns. That's
• 2:04:09
  hard to say. I don't buy that, Robby. I don't know.
• 2:04:13
  But can you disprove it? I can't prove it. I'll
• 2:04:15
  disprove it in one way. Tons of the German
• 2:04:18
  population had, civilian population had guns
• 2:04:21
  before 1933. And it's not true that Nazi Germany
• 2:04:25
  took them away. It's not true. There's all these
• 2:04:27
  internet tropes about how
• 2:04:31
  the Nazis and the communists took away guns.
• 2:04:33
  They didn't. People in Germany had guns for hunting.
• 2:04:36
  They had tons of them. And they had pistols and
• 2:04:38
  rifles. Shit, that's what most Americans have
• 2:04:41
  is pistols and rifles. But you know what the
• 2:04:43
  German population also had? They also had a history
• 2:04:46
  of an unequal treaty called the Treaty of Versailles
• 2:04:48
  that your countrymen pushed on them. If you had
• 2:04:50
  not had a Treaty of Versailles, Nazi Germany
• 2:04:52
  would have never risen. Okay, what does that
• 2:04:54
  have to do with the gun? Well, no, of course
• 2:04:59
  it does. Because if you think that your country
• 2:05:01
  is being victimized, and if you're on your knees,
• 2:05:04
  and nationalism is a very strong force, then
• 2:05:08
  having those gun owners, having a population
• 2:05:10
  of right-wing is going to be something you want
• 2:05:13
  to have. Those Germans were, the Nazis were,
• 2:05:15
  they were just like fucking Netanyahu with their
• 2:05:17
  line of bullshit. The Germans never
• 2:05:19
  paid. They never paid the reparations. They didn't
• 2:05:23
  pay. Sure they did. That's why the Jewish market,
• 2:05:26
  of course they did. They occupied Germany at
• 2:05:28
  a certain point to force them to pay. No, they
• 2:05:30
  didn't. No, but the Germans did. The reason why
• 2:05:33
  the Reichsmark was worth nothing is because they
• 2:05:36
  inflated the money supply to the point where
• 2:05:38
  they destroyed it. In order to pay the French
• 2:05:43
  with devalued money. But they paid them, that's
• 2:05:46
  the point. Yeah, but not really. Of course they
• 2:05:48
  did. They paid them with worthless cash. Congratulations,
• 2:05:52
  you got swindled. They occupied Germany in order
• 2:05:54
  to get the money. No, they didn't. When did they
• 2:05:57
  occupy Germany? No, they didn't. France never
• 2:05:59
  occupied Germany? No, they didn't. Look it up.
• 2:06:02
  Believe me, they didn't. They did not. They could
• 2:06:06
  have. The French military had every legal right
• 2:06:09
  to go in under the Treaty of Versailles if there
• 2:06:12
  was a breach, for example, when the Saar
• 2:06:15
  Valley was remilitarized by the Germans under
• 2:06:17
  Nazism, but they didn't. Because the Germans
• 2:06:20
  had rifles. Because the French pussed out. Well,
• 2:06:24
  the French always puss out. Let's be
• 2:06:26
  honest. They lost the war to Haiti, for
• 2:06:28
  God's sake. Right here. Yes. France, along with
• 2:06:33
  Belgium, occupied Germany's industrial Ruhr
• 2:06:35
  region from January 1923 to August 1926, specifically
• 2:06:40
  to force payment for the World War I reparations.
• 2:06:42
  Yep. They occupied the Rhineland. The Ruhr Valley,
• 2:06:46
  right? Germany? Yeah. Okay, I forgot about that
• 2:06:49
  episode. They occupied part of it. It's a little
• 2:06:53
  border region, right? It's still Germany. Russia
• 2:06:59
  is talking about going to nuclear war with Kaliningrad.
• 2:07:01
  They take this shit seriously. And to ask why
• 2:07:05
  the Germans had rifles is because of crap like
• 2:07:08
  this. It's just how Yamamoto... No, they didn't
• 2:07:10
  have rifles because they wanted to eat rabbits.
• 2:07:13
  Okay that's where they
• 2:07:15
  had, right they like to hunt. Okay Ted you're
• 2:07:18
  a student of history. What did Yamamoto say? What
• 2:07:20
  would happen if the Japanese army invaded the
• 2:07:22
  American mainland? I don't even know. Wake up a
• 2:07:25
  sleeping giant. He said there would be a
• 2:07:27
  there would be a rifleman behind every blade of grass
• 2:07:29
  and tree. Which is kind of true. Okay, but the
• 2:07:33
  fact is that in the United States, we've been
• 2:07:35
  occupied by our own government. I agree. And
• 2:07:37
  it's because the propaganda is so freaking strong.
• 2:07:40
  Why is that? It's because our population is not
• 2:07:42
  educated. Our population is apathetic. Our population
• 2:07:44
  is stoned. And disorganized. And our population
• 2:07:47
  is disorganized. If you're self-indulging yourself,
• 2:07:51
  you're dropping your IQ by 15 points every single
• 2:07:54
  year because you just want to feel good. Then
• 2:07:57
  you're going to look at these people and say,
• 2:07:58
  oh, we're going to organize around these leaders
• 2:08:00
  and these colleges and they're all just stone
• 2:08:02
  frat boys. Give me a freaking break. I don't
• 2:08:06
  think I dropped my IQ for smoking pot, to be
• 2:08:07
  honest. I don't think that's true. I don't know.
• 2:08:11
  I think it's individualist. I think it's propaganda.
• 2:08:15
  I think it's. It's an American ethos with this
• 2:08:17
  idea of we're rugged individualists. We're all
• 2:08:19
  John Waynes. If anything happens, we're singular,
• 2:08:23
  individual, etc. Whereas in Europe, they look
• 2:08:26
  at this stuff as more of a group entity. Meaning
• 2:08:29
  Spain looks at the homeless thing as a group
• 2:08:30
  issue, a government issue. France looks at their
• 2:08:33
  issues as a government issue. We don't look at
• 2:08:35
  it that way. We look at it as we are individuals.
• 2:08:37
  Anything that happens to us happens to us singularly,
• 2:08:40
  not as a country, not as a group. We
• 2:08:42
  have to pay all gas prices now. But even that
• 2:08:44
  I would wager somewhat individually. I think
• 2:08:47
  it's that if I had to put it on anything.
• 2:08:50
  Tell me I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. Listen, at
• 2:08:54
  the end of the day, the question was, why do
• 2:08:56
  I support gun ownership and oppose drugs and
• 2:08:59
  alcohol the way that I do? It's because one has
• 2:09:01
  a value and one doesn't. Okay, that's fair. Although
• 2:09:07
  I do think that, having been to countries
• 2:09:10
  where you can't buy booze like Pakistan. It sucks.
• 2:09:14
  It sucks, yeah. It sucks. Yeah, things are uptight.
• 2:09:18
  Everyone's got a stick up their ass. Everyone's
• 2:09:22
  nervous all the time. No one's ever chill. All
• 2:09:26
  right, guys, let's do this one last comment.
• 2:09:30
  Deep Green, thanks for the buck. Ask yourself
• 2:09:34
  why the CIA pushed LSD to induce a state lassitude
• 2:09:39
  on the masses and are against a collective revolution
• 2:09:42
  armed with the spirit to fight back and knowledgeable.
• 2:09:46
  Yes. Agreed. I want to answer John Doe's question
• 2:09:52
  real quick before we pull off. So his question
• 2:09:54
  is, Robby, isn't a fascist action of killing
• 2:09:56
  all drug dealers a contradiction with wanting
• 2:09:59
  the citizens to have guns to avoid a fascist
• 2:10:01
  government? Let me make this very clear. I said
• 2:10:03
  if I was the dictator of the country, there would
• 2:10:06
  be... You'd be the totalitarianism. I would be
• 2:10:11
  the totalitarianism. I know, right? So, listen.
• 2:10:17
  I am not of the belief that unlimited freedom
• 2:10:19
  is a good thing. Well, there is no such thing
• 2:10:23
  as unlimited freedom. No, it's impossible. But
• 2:10:26
  that's the argument that they make. It's
• 2:10:28
  well, what would you do? For example, I don't
• 2:10:30
  think people have the right to destroy themselves.
• 2:10:32
  If you're going through San Diego and you see
• 2:10:39
  all these people who are homeless stoned out
• 2:10:42
  of their minds on the street, literally rotting
• 2:10:45
  away. They don't have the right to be there.
• 2:10:48
  What you should do, and this is what I would
• 2:10:50
  do, I would get those people up. I would get
• 2:10:52
  them into rehab. I would do everything I possibly
• 2:10:54
  could under my power to get them clean, get their
• 2:10:57
  life back. And the people who are selling that
• 2:10:59
  poison, I would put their brains on a freaking
• 2:11:01
  wall. There is no freedom in this equation. And
• 2:11:07
  with that, it seems like a nice, uplifting place
• 2:11:12
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