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- Ryan Embree: Welcome to Suite Spot, where hoteliers check in and we check out what's trending in hotel marketing. I'm your host, Ryan Embree. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of The Suite Spot. This is your host, Ryan Embree. Back for another edition of season two of our independent hotel show series, where we are getting geared up and ready for that annual tradition down in Miami Beach at the Independent Hotel Show. We cannot wait. We're gonna talk a little bit about it with our guests. We actually met for the first time in person last year at this event. We're able to spend some time with her. Dina Belon, president at Staypineapple Hotels. Dina, thank you so much for joining me back on The Suite Spot. Dina Belon: Oh, thank you so much for inviting me, Ryan. This is amazing. I'm so excited. We had such a good time in Miami last year, it was a blast and, uh, talking to you felt like I was talking to a friend. Ryan Embree: Well, I appreciate it. I feel the same. Just honored to be speaking with you here. And I can't believe we're here. It's we're just months away from the Independent Hotel Show. It's gonna be bigger, better than ever. We're excited about it. We're gonna talk about it. But we did have you on for the first time, so we had the opportunity. Usually, I start these episodes by a little bit of a background and kind of an introduction, but I'm gonna start a little unorthodox today. There was a post that I saw on LinkedIn, which by the way, for our Suite Spot listeners, make sure you say, uh, you follow Staypineapple Hotels and Dina. Great follows on LinkedIn. But there's an, an article called Everything Staypineapple Hotels Dina Belon Does in a Day. And I thought that was such a cool and creative idea and concept. Talk to us a little bit about how that idea originated and give us a day in life. What is it like to be Dina Belon? Dina Belon: Well, I tried to be very honest. Hopefully it was fun too. I, there's a lot of humor in my day, and so hopefully that came across. Um, the magazine, uh, that's a local magazine here in, uh, east, the east side of Seattle and Bellevue and Kirkland area of Washington does those highlights of leaders in the area, um, on a regular basis. So it was fun, uh, a little stressful because you had to, like, take photographs and, you know, kind of just walk through your day. Um, I loved, though, really integrating my pets, because they're a big part of my life. And so it started off with Molly waking me up at 5:45, which is actually what she does every morning. About 15 minutes before my alarm goes off, my little kitty cat starts yelling at me about wanting water. Um, so yeah, all the way until, you know, 8:00 at night and a lovely glass of wine with my husband. And all the shenanigans in the middle. Ryan Embree: Yeah. And I think it's so cool because I think it, you know, we obviously work in the people business, right? In hospitality. Uh, we host people from all over the world, all different walks of life. Um, but to see, you know, sometimes, uh, I think right now, especially right now, right, when there's all this talk of AI and technology and stuff like that, it's really refreshing to see our industry leaders. And I get that. I have the, the privilege of getting that, interviewing some of the industry leaders when they talk to me about their, you know, beginnings and, and how maybe they started as a bellman or a front desk agent or fell into the industry. And I think the more that we can kind of humanize and show that these are people that really have a true passion for serving other people. Um, and then on the other side of the front desk, the guests that come into our lobbies, they are people too, whether they're on a work trip, where they're trying to escape. You know, sometimes it, it's refreshing to take, take a beat and think about that. And that's exactly what this article did for me because it is, you know, even though we're hospitality, we're in it, the hustle bustle, 365, twenty four seven. We're still people, right? Yeah. We're still people with our pets and, and, and our, uh, you know, what we like to do. Um, so it was a really cool, I think, uh, refreshing look. I wa - I definitely wanted to bring that in. Br - um, and, and your love of pets, it goes right along with your brand, uh, Staypineapples Hotel. And, you know, I've come to know and love through your content, your keynotes at the Independent Hotel Show, uh, following you on LinkedIn. For those audience members that might not be as familiar, uh, share with us, uh, a little bit about what makes Staypineapple Hotels so unique and one of a kind. Dina Belon: Yeah. So we are the opposite of corporate uniformity, uniformity. Uh, we're really about, you know, a boutique sp - hotel experience with a lot of personality. Um, so one of the things that we're well known for is the naked experience, um, which is, uh, a little eye-opening to a lot of people, but all it really is, is a fun, cheeky, which we like to do, uh, marketing way to talk about our bed and our bedding and our linen and our terry is so comfy, cozy and amazing, you'll wanna sleep naked. Um, so it, and we give you an, a big cuddly robe so that you don't come to the door naked. Ryan Embree: There you go. Dina Belon: Um, so that, that's, that's very indicative of the Staypineapple personality. Um, we're also, um, not just pet friendly, we're dog obsessed. Um, so we, uh, really go over the top with our pet program. We have a partnership with Soundz, S-O-U-N-D-Z, uh, that is, um, uh, sounds, uh, in music - Sure. That, um, pets like and that calm them when they feel nervous, um, that is available for guests, uh, at no cost, a 14-day, uh, free trial. And then, um, we have a partnership with, uh, an emergency veterinary, uh, service called Veg. Um, of course, you get beds and bowls and treats and, um, water bottles and poop bags and all kinds of stuff when you bring, uh, your furry friend. Although we're dog obsessed, we also love kitty cats too. I have two kitty cats and two dogs. So, um, we, yeah, we're, we're pretty over the top with the pet thing. And then we have a, we have a number of the properties that have, uh, hotel dogs as well. Um, so one of the management staff ha - brings their dog to work every day and has really become a, a core team member. Um, you wouldn't believe how many reviews we get, uh, with our, our furry, uh, friends being, uh, listed as their favorite part of the hotel. <laugh> Ryan Embree: Yeah. I've seen them at trade show nows at industry trade shows. Yeah. You'll have, like, a puppy break. Uh, brilliant. Brilliant. Dina Belon: It's my favorite thing. Ryan Embree: Yeah. It just gets people in, in, in a happy mood. People love it. So, uh, and, and the focus of, of the dog obs - dog obsessed, um, i- i- is, is so smart. I mean, p - you know, people. We always think about how stressful travel is, obviously, from a logistics and s - and people standpoint, but obviously on our pets too. They're in a place that they've never been before. Um, they don't know that they're heading across the country or even down the road. They're in somewhere unnatural. So that's really, really cool that you can kind of make them feel at ease there. And, and I'm sure the guest feedback, uh, from that has been really, really great to see. Um, now, you talked about, um, Staypineapple being a, a very unique boutique brand. Um, I noticed one word you didn't mention in there, which is, uh, independent or non-branded. Uh, you prefer the term unchained. And I wanna explore that a little bit. I don't wanna give you too much, uh, of a question. I, I'd like, like you to kinda run with that. Why do you prefer unchained to maybe independent segment or non-branded? Dina Belon: So to me, independent, non-branded, um, you know, indicates that we're small or we're isolated or, um. And, and I think it's, um, diminishing to 30% of the hotel sector, which is truly unchained in both term, both ways that that term can be used. One, we are not attached to a chain in literal terms, but we're also unchained from a limitation perspective. I think what is so amazing about the independent or the in - the unchained sector of the market to the guest is the founders, the visionaries, the leadership teams, the hotel teams at these hotels put their lifeblood and their passion and their vision and their belief in hospitality into these properties and into the experiences guests are gonna get. It is not a corporate ownership that is managed by a brand that has 5,000 other w - hotels just like it. And, you know, the onsite hotel team has reams of binders to tell them how to do their job. Um, we believe very much in no SOPs. Um, we have, uh, ultimate SOP. It's do the next right thing. That's the SOP for Staypineapple. It's that simple. Just do the next right thing. We help the team understand that a little bit with kind of some guidelines, which is what is the best thing for you and your colleagues? What is the best thing for the guests? And what is the best thing for the business? And if you frame that question, those questions under do the next right thing, anybody can make the right decision at any moment, at every level of the organization. When we talk about empowerment, it isn't, you know, we've given you a toolkit. I always loved this, because I worked in, in the brands. Um, and we always had a toolkit. You had a toolbox full of things that you could use to solve a problem. Well, I don't need to give you a toolbox. You are a grown person that is a professional in the hospitality industry and you've entered this industry with a passion for people. Why would I tell you how to do your job, um, in every aspect with books of SOPs? Instead, I should get out of your way and let you be who you are in an authentic way. Because that connects with people. If, uh, you know, we put, we put people in our industry in a blazer, a Navy blazer, and a name tag, and tell them, "This is how you answer the phone. This is how you greet somebody. This is how you do this." Basically, you're a representation of the brand, so you need to fit in this box. Well, I believe in a different hospitality, in a hospitality that is, um, grounded in, um, real people and real human beings and, and mistakes even, and quirkiness, and stuff that you wouldn't necessarily, uh, engage in or experience in your normal life. That's why you're traveling. You wanna experience different things and new things. You're going to a new place. And so we don't have, um, dress. We don't have uniforms for our front of house team members. We do for back of house simply because we don't want the back of house team to have to ruin their own clothes because the engineers get their clothes snagged and the housekeepers get their clothes dirty and, you know, so it's more just to take care of our team. But, um, the front of house team doesn't have uniforms. They get to wear their own clothes to work. That's another idea. It's like, I want you to be you, but wear this black polo shirt that makes you look like everybody else. Or Navy Blazer that makes you look everybody, right? Like the entire concept of what we think is normal and standard in our industry is the antithesis of what we're trying to create as an experience for a guest. Um, so it's really important to us, you know, you can have colored hair and ear piercings and tattoos. And I remember early in my career, it was always, um, I love to tell this story. Um, the, the dress code, because I was a manager, so I was allowed to wear my own clothes, but the dress code was, had to have, um, pants or a skirt, uh, a, a jacket, had to have a blazer, and it had to be of solid color. So what I've got on today would not have applied. Um, my shoes could not have open toes and an open heel, one or the other. And I had to have pantyhose on. So I lived in Florida. <laugh> I remember I stopped wearing pantyhose at some point because they were hot. And so I, I actually had an HR person, uh, come up to me and say, "By the way, um, we've, we've noticed that you're not meeting the dress code." And I just turned around and looked at her and I was like, "Those things make me sweat. I have to be out by the pool sometimes. I have to be outside. It's too hot. I'm not wearing them. Fire me." <laugh> Ryan Embree: Yeah. Yeah. Dina Belon: That was the end of pantyhose in our dress code. <laugh> I was like, "Good luck with that." <laugh> Ryan Embree: Right. And I'm sure the person on the other side, you know, it, it, they were just obviously following the guidelines - Right. And the standards of what was put before them. And you're absolutely right, Dina. You know, the, the one thing that we talk about all the time, and you talk to. Uh, I've talked to industry leaders about is, you know, what makes your management company brand property so great? Usually the first thing they say is they're people. Yet, when you're putting those people in a box, how great can they actually be, right? Every property is so different because of the individuals that make up that property. Um, so, you know, that thought process is, is so brilliant to, to think of the individualism and the passion can kind of shine through because it's those stories that you talked about in the unchained or the independent sector that, that reason why I, this is one of my favorite series, because I get to sit and talk to independent hoteliers and, and hear their stories, their struggles, their challenges, but also their successes, their passions, where they built this, this property that has been, you know, where they've had these struggles, but they've gotten over the hump and they just love it so much and you can just see it come out in that, that, uh, conversation. It's, and sometimes very different. Nothing to knock the brands, but sometimes very different when you're talking to a GM of a branded hotel. Um, and it's m- maybe just a stop on, on their way to the career. So it is one piece of advice I hear all the time is if you're a hospitality professional out there, you know, maybe explore the independent hotel down the road. You know, get some good experience there. It'll, you're definitely gonna learn a lot, that's for sure. Yeah. Um, you're gonna get a lot of - Well, it depends on - Yeah. Dina Belon: Yeah, what you like, right? And I agree with you. One isn't right or wrong. I spent the vast majority of my career in the, in the branded hotel space. Um, and I just found my happy place in - Sure. In the independent space, right? I, because I was always bucking the rules when I worked in the brands. And I didn't, I didn't even know what boutique and. I, I though boutique hotels were just little. Like, I literally, when I started at Staypineapple, I love the story too. 'Cause when I started, I was like, "I'm gonna come in and show them how to write SOPs and, and brand standards, and we're gonna standardize this, and we're gonna scale it, and it's gonna be, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah." I had, I told, because I had spent my whole career in that space. Um, I believed passionately in brand standards when I started at Staypineapple. And I remember, um, our CFO telling me, "Do not say the word brand standard. You will send Michelle off the deep end." Michelle is our founder. Yeah. And I was like, "What? I don't understand." Yeah. "How could you not have brand standards? How do you even operate this place without brand standards?" <laugh> Right? Right. Um, and, and it took me a couple of years to really internalize what the difference in the business model is. Again, one is not right or wrong. They both have their strengths. But if you're, uh, a free spirit, if you're somebody. Like we hire for three things. Authenticity. Like your. First of all, people underestimate the willingness to be authentic. If you have been trained to put on a mask when you go to work and, and almost be an actor and play a part at the hotel, it's very difficult to take that mask off and, and allow the vulnerability of being yourself. 'Cause if somebody rejects you when you're being yourself, it hurts a lot more than if a guest rejects you and yells at you when you have a mask on. That's a Ryan Embree: Great point. Dina Belon: You're being somebody else, right? Yeah. So it's a harder position for our team members, I think, to be their authentic selves. Um, the next is really critical thinking. The ability to problem solve and, and, and be creative and figure out ways to, um. We know to say yes. That's one of our sayings. We notice. We know how to say yes. Yes is not always a direct yes. Sometimes you have to go around to get to yes, but we know how to do that. And that's all about creativity and critical thinking. And then really, the last one, um, I think is underserved in our industry, which is emotional intelligence. Um, that ability to read people. And, and it connects to that critical thinking, right? If I can, if I can, uh, connect with you on an emotional level and understand you better, understand your psychographics as a person, which is much deeper than that you like Diet Coke, right? I want to know things deeper than that about you. Then I can use that emotional intelligence to be creative and create, create hyper-personalized experiences for you. That is something that I think isn't. It. The industry in general, particularly on the branded side, does not foster in our industry. If those things are interesting to you, then go check out the independent or unchained space, because I think you'll be a lot happier coming from a recovering brand employee. Ryan Embree: <laugh> Ryan Embree: Yeah. I, I love that. I love everything about that. I mean, those skills are. I mean, it's, it's at the core of hospitality, um, especially the emotional intelligence. And I think y- you're absolutely right. It's a skill needed now more than ever, by the way. Um, and it's gonna get trickier to navigate. So we'll be those, those younger, um, hospitality professionals and, you know, at, at, at any age, really, that invest that time and effort into honing in that skill that are gonna, that are gonna see successes there. Um, I wanna, I wanna take, uh, a step back, Dina, and kinda look at the hospitality landscape right now for independent and, or unchained, uh, uh, hotels. Where do you see opportunity in today's landscape? And then maybe where are some of the bigger challenges that, that they're coming up against? Dina Belon: Sure. So I think one of our biggest opportunities I just mentioned, which is hyper-personalization, um, we really look at this, i- if you kinda start at the beginning of the process of how you do hyperpersonalization. Um, it really starts with zero-party data for us. Uh, every brand or every group or every, you know, independent hotel is different, um, in their philosophy on this. I've certainly, um, experienced and, um, met with people that do research on their guests online. They look up your Facebook page. They check you out and see what you might be talking about. Um, we have decided to take the approach that we only wanna use data that you have freely and willingly given us. Um, so we communicate with our guests a lot, um, when we can. So there's a little bit of a differentiator here when we talk about this. Um, if you're coming in as an Expedia or a Booking.com guest, probably not getting this experience because we don't have, we don't have much information about you, and those OTAs don't like to share. So, but if, uh, you've stayed with us before or it's a direct booking, then we have communicated with you, um, in a way that is fun and cheeky and kinda starts to get you. Um, w- we like to, we like to encourage kind of a pre-arrival experience that is, um, engaging and, and, and gets you kind of primed for what Staypineapple is gonna be like. So you're not, like, smacked in the fa - you know, you're expecting a Marriott courtyard and you're smacked in the face with Staypineapple. Ryan Embree: Right. You got a dog running up to you and yeah. <laugh> Um, Dina Belon: So one of the things we do is ask a very open-ended question, um, in a pre-arrival email to all of our, uh, direct booking guests. And it says, um, basically in a cheeky way, I don't remember exactly how it's phrased, but it's why you come in to stay with us. And you would be shocked at the amount of information that people share with us and, like, get into deep personal things and tell us all kinds of stuff. That is a trevor - treasure trove of information. Again, that's stuff that matters. Not whether Jack Daniels is your favorite, you know, liquor. Uh, like, I wanna know that you're. What, what do you volunteer for? What, what are you passionate about? What do you care about? Are you married? Do you have kids? You know, like, the things that, that you really, really make you who you are, right? That's, that's what we really look at for hyper-personalization and allows our team to use their creativity. So that's just step one, right? Gotta have the information. And then two, you have to have a culture of people that are encouraged and inspired to be creative, to do fun, interesting things, not just deliver a bottle of wine to your room. What? <laugh> Ryan Embree: Yeah. <laugh> Dina Belon: Right? Um, like, do something that's about me, not about you. It, like, that's what I always say. To me, the bottle of wine in the room is about you buying my loyalty. It's about you as a hotel. It's not about me as an individual. So everything should be about the individual and about what makes them excited or happy or feel welcome or feel like they belong, um, there. How many times have you walked into a hotel and you felt like there was a cool club and you didn't belong? Ryan Embree: Mm. Yeah. Dina Belon: So awful. It is the worst thing about hotels, I think. One of the other things that I just find, um, disheartening about our, our industry is that many people that are not related to the hotel business think you can't go in a hotel if you're not a guest. That's so sad to me, right? Like, there's, there's this perception of a barrier, and it's the opposite of what we should be. Like, we believe our hotels are very much a community hub. And so we encourage the community to come into the hotel. And we don't even, we don't have a lot of food and beverage. And some of our properties don't have any. Some have just limited. We have a few full-service restaurants, but it's not about us wanting to make money in our restaurants. It's about us wanting to create an atmosphere in the hotel that is engaging and activating for the guests that are coming. 'Cause the guests wanna interact with locals. They don't want to interact with somebody from New York - Right. When they're in Seattle. They wanna hang out with Seattle people, right? Yeah. So it's, it's a real win-win model, but you have to turn, you have to turn that barrier so many people think exists. Ryan Embree: Well, you touched on two things there, Dina, that at the core of this independent hotel show series, it really comes back to, which is loyalty, you know, just fierce, fierce loyalty for inde - I mean, the type of loyalty that I hear from guests talking about independent hotels is very different from the other points or nights that I'm, that I'm hearing in, on the other side of it. And, and it's a depth that will be word of mouth. I mean, when you talk about word of mouth, like, that is the ultimate s - what marketing can't buy, right? That storytelling that they're going to be able to provide you champions of your brand and advocates for your hotel. Uh, the second thing is local community engagement and getting the community on board with what you do. I see it no greater place than Miami when we're at, at the independent hotel show. And they talk about trying to just infuse that Miami culture into their own properties. And it does attracts a lot of locals. And, and you're absolutely right. It's, there's a parallel where probably somewhere where you, where we talk a lot about reputation and people being scared of those one-star, two-star, or even negative feedback in any sense of it, embracing that and saying, "I don't want one-star reviews, but I wanna see the negative feedback so that I can fix it, right? I want those, I want those locals to come into my hotel. Um, I don't wanna put that barrier up because I wanna be that community hub. I love that. So what about any challenges you think right now? Dina Belon: Yeah, I think, um, the, there's, there's a number of challenges. I mean, I can, I can talk about the obvious, the headwinds on inflation, the cost of human and financial capital, maintaining service quality while we're trying to maximize profit. <laugh> Yeah. I like all of the blah, blah, blah. All of the, Ryan Embree: Yeah. All those talking points. Dina Belon: Yeah. They're not very fun topics though. Um, <laugh> honestly, I think the most interesting topic right now is really AI. And I do think it's our biggest risk, particularly in our, our world of this unchained or independent hotel space. It's the biggest risk we have, and it's also the biggest opportunity. And it could go either way. And I think it will probably go hard one way or the other. It won't be somewhere in the middle. And the reality is, is AI, AI search, which is kind of where we're at right now, not, we're not really to the point of bookings starting a little tiny bit. But, um, AI search is focused on very deep, complex, broad data about a hotel. So a, a person, and it really starts with the search parameters. You're going from keyword search, like, I'm going to Seattle and I wanna be near Pioneer Square, to, I'm interested in a boutique hotel with a cool vibe that has a restaurant and provides a great sleep experience. Those two searches are completely different and is where the threat and the opportunity comes from. The opportunity is, as the hotel owner, operator, you have the best opportunity to create very deep content that is searchable by an AI. Compared to Booking.com and Expedia and all the others, their scale just does not allow them to create that kind of deep content for every hotel on their site, right? So you can create a higher value for the AI search to go to your website over somewhere else that it can go find your hotel. You might still find your hotel, but you'd rather get the booking. Um, direct and get the AI sending the guests to your website to check out the hotel than to booking.com 's website to check out. So that's where the opportunity is. Threat is very real that the big brands and the OTAs have the pocketbooks, bandwidth, the resources to win at this fight and come in and put themselves between us and our guests. And so I think both at a legislative level, all the way down to individual property advocacy and elevating your voice online and everything in between, every hoteler, hotelier needs to be paying attention to. Because in the next five years, you could lose, you could lose the connection to your guests prior to arriving. And that, for us, that would ruin a huge part of our experience. Like we have pre-arrival concierge that helps you curate and plan your experience for your whole trip, not just your hotel stay. All of that would be for naught if I can't communicate with my guests. Ryan Embree: 100%. Yeah. Uh, seismic shift happening, technologics pl - like shifting beneath us. Uh, I think you're absolutely where it's gonna impact everyone from the big brands all the way down to the small independent hotel who, who thinks, "Oh, this is, this isn't coming for me. It's gonna have wide ranging effects. It'll be very, very interesting to see." But share your concern, but also hopefully that little bit of hope there too, that it, it does go that right way and hospitality stays in, in somewhere where we come to know and, and love our industry. I wanna shift gears. Another thing I've, uh, learned about you over the years following your content and your career is your work, uh, inspiring, empowering the next generation of female hospitality professionals. Dina, I've seen you on stage at, at multiple panels, uh, a- a- around this subject. Tell us a little bit about the work you do behind the scenes and any tips you would share for up and coming Suite Spot female listeners or just the listeners in general here. Dina Belon: Yeah, I do. I love this topic. I, I love to empower women. Um, I think, uh, uh, we're, we're a force in this industry, um, and our voice should be heard. Um, so I, I like to support other women by a couple of things. Um, you'll, you'll, you'll start to notice, I like to simplify things down to like one, two, three points at most. Yeah, I like it. <laugh> Um, because I think it's the way the human brain works. Sure. And the best way we can kind of, uh, create change - Yeah. Is by having a very focused, uh, approach to it. I really like self-advocacy, um, and encouraging women to self-advocate, because I think in general, this is a generalization because it's not all women, but in general, we're not great at it. Um, men are much better at self-advocacy than women. There's been all kinds of study and research done on that. Um, and it's a huge part of why women are paid less, why women are promoted less, because they just don't ask. They don't raise their hand. Um, and so I. And then the, the second point kind of ties in, which is leading by example. And so I think I love to tell stories about my career when self-advocacy was a benefit to me and how I got to where I am. And I'm afraid of it too. Let me tell all the female listeners I am not great at self-advocacy. Um, I've learned to do it over the years while I'm kind of gritting my teeth in the back of my mouth. Um, but I, there's been a number of times when, you know, the really, the places where my career really took off, um, I stood up for myself and I raised my hand and I said, "I can do that." Or, "I can even do more than what you asked me for." So I'll give you an example. Um, when I was at Wyndham, um, we, we acquired another company that did the same thing as we did. Um, and we were looking at how to create efficiency and blah, blah, blah. One was in Seattle and one was in Florida. And I was in the Florida office and I was asked, and we were the acquirer, so we acquired the company in Seattle. And so I was asked to fly out to Seattle and check out how my division, which we did all the renovation work and capital improvements and stuff like that, how my division would work with the group in Seattle. And so off I went on a plane and met with them and talked to them and figured out how they did things and figured out how we did things. Um, and so the ask was like, how do we merge the two and how do we create some efficiency? And I came back with a combined team that had me at the top of it with a promotion to vice president. <laugh> It was really hard for me to do. It was a little bit easier because I gotta do it in writing and send it in and I didn't have to say it out loud. Um, but it worked. And it was the first VP role I ever had. I was one of the youngest vice presidents at Wyndham. I remember the first time I went to the all leadership meeting, which was, happened once a year at Wyndham. There was 500 people there. This is vice presidents and above. Um, that's how large the organization is. Um, that's less than 5% of the employment base of the company. Um, and I was one of the youngest and I was one of the few women that were in the room. And I was blown away by that factor. And I went, "I, I need to work at do- doing something about this. I need to help other women." 'Cause particularly 20 years ago probably, um, there was a little bit more sharp elbows among women. There were so few seats in leadership that we were competing for them. And I think women weren't as good as we are today at lifting everybody up instead of competing with each other. Adding more chairs at the table instead of competing for the one that a woman is gonna fail, fill. Um, so those, I think, are really my biggest things that I recommend younger women focus on is be an example to other women around you, above you, below you, beside you, I don't care. Advocate for yourself. Advocate for other women and support each other. Um, don't compete with each other. Ryan Embree: Yeah, I love that. I love that story. And I think we, you know, it's inspiring to hear those, right? Because it, it can be scary sometimes. Um, but to hear those, those stories, those real life, um, you know, personal, uh, examples in front of you, those are the things that maybe get you that extra bit of confidence there. And it's, it's very, very cool to see. So, uh, appreciate your work there. And, um, you know, ex- excited to, to share that with those tips for the audience. Definitely wanted to, to, um, go into that topic a little bit. Um, but this is the Independent Hotel Show series. We might change your episode to say Unchained Hotel Series. But, uh, we'll, we're gonna. This is. We're talking today about the Independent Hotel Show happening this year, September 16th and 17th. Uh, Miami Beach. Remember, listeners, uh, don't forget to use promo code Ryan26. That's for a complimentary, uh, registration. Dina, you're on the advisory board. You've been a long time supporter of this show. What inspired you? Take me back to when you were first kind of asked to get involved with the show. Uh, what inspired you to get in, like, first involved with it? And how do you see it supporting independent hoteliers? Dina Belon: Yeah. I was, uh, introduced to it before the very first one and asked to be on the advisory board. And it was an immediate yes, and yes, what can I, what can I do to help? Because I knew that there was a gap in our industry in the independent space for a place for independents to get together and have real conversations and real opportunity to collaborate and learn from each other. We're so isolated, um, in, in many ways. Like, we don't have a mothership to create all of the stuff, the, you know, programs or education or philosophy or how do you do this? Or what do you do with that? Or, you know, how do you get mustard stains out of the towels? You know, like, anything. Like, we don't have a mothership that helps us, that hands us a bunch of stuff and tells us how to do it. Each of us are creating all of this on our own. And that's part of what makes our sector of the industry so unique and great, is that you get a different experience at every property because they're all created through a visionary process. But there's also a lot that we could share best practices and adapt what somebody else is doing to what we're doing. I, like, I love to talk to, um, suppliers and vendors and tech companies, um, that reach out to me all the time because I learn from them. I learn what they're doing, um, how one of their customers is doing something. You know, like, we constantly have a need for new knowledge and collaboration in our space that didn't exist. And so this show is one of the only things that are really in our space focused on us and give us the opportunity to do that. It is an incredibly good show. It's so well curated from, uh, an educational perspective, from the sessions. There's multiple stages. Um, everything is in one room, which I love. Um, you can, you know, you can be listening to a panel discussion that's really energizing, and then you've got a 10-minute break and you can run over and see a vendor that you wanted to talk to because you've only got 10 minutes. And then you get, you know, it's not spread out. It's not like the big shows where, you know, you're gonna have to walk 10 miles to get to something. And the people that are there care and are focused on the independent space. So you're also not gonna get the eye rolls and the you're too small and we don't care about you, and oh, you're not part of Marriott, uh, you know, conversation, whether with vendors or with anybody, right? The, the people that are here are passionate about this part of the industry and are ready and willing to help anybody that comes to the show improve what they're doing. Uh, like, I love helping other independent hoteliers, uh, in any way I can. In any context, talking about distribution, talking about guest service, talking about, you know, any, any part, because there are enough customers out there for all of us. I know we're competitors, but, um, helping, helping everybody lift is a much better strategy than trying to elbow somebody out. Ryan Embree: Absolutely. We're all in it together. 100% agree. And it's funny, you know, you were mentioning at the, at the top of the answer about, you know, how independent hotels don't have some of these resources that the big brands do. Uh, you know, one of the, one of the common things that big brands do is have an annual conference, right? And they get everybody together and, and share ideas and challenges. This is like the annual conference for independent hotel shows. So it's a sense of belonging. Um, it's a different energy. It's a different. It's, it's a different type of, uh, uh, of event. Um, it. So real quick, first, uh, tip for any first time attendees that, uh, might be going. Dina Belon: Yeah. Um, I think two. Again, I love my, my two or three points. Um, be curious. So show up curious, um, and, and open and willing to share. Um, because that's what your, your analogy to a brand conference is perfect because, um, that's what we're there to do is help each other. Um, and being curious will help you just be a sponge and take things in. Um, use, use AI in this scenario, um, and help <laugh> have an AI assistant help you, an electronic one in your pocket, help you remember all the stuff that is gonna come at you because it's gonna come like a fire hose and it's gonna be really hard to remember it all when you get home. Um, I use Pocket for anybody who cares. It's a little tiny device that I literally keep in my pocket. And I push it anytime I have an idea, I can just talk into it. Or I can push it if I'm having an interesting conversation with somebody and it'll record that conversation. Of course, I ask the person before I do it. Um, but right? So that it, so that you're, you're capturing all of that interesting, cool ideas and, um, vendors and sup - you know, people that can support you. Um, it, walk away from an interaction with somebody and they've handed you their business card. Take your little device. It can be your phone too, but however you wanna do it and say, "I just met Ryan with Suite Spot and I really wanna be on his podcast. I need to reach out to him after when I get back." And then your little AI will give you a to-do when you get back, uh, home. So that's, that's my number one tech tip. Um, and then I think the other, the opposite of that, which is a little challenging sometimes, is set the technology down and be present and be aware and pay attention. And don't be on your phone answering emails from your staff back at your hotel. Like, I know it's super hard to disconnect and, and be present while you're at the conference, but you'll gain a lot more if you're there and you're listening and you're talking. Like, if you go to some of the educational sessions, raise your hand, ask questions. Make a point. Don't even ask a question. If you've got an idea that the panel needs to hear, raise your hand and say it. Um, because it's a, it's a dialogue. This isn't a. There's, you know, we don't have the president of Marriott and the president of Wyndham sitting on a panel telling us all how to do things. We're all collaborators that are telling how we're doing things and wanting to hear how you're doing it and figuring out how we can share, share those ideas. So be present. Ryan Embree: That, that's a great. Yeah, that's a great mindset to, to enter this show into. My tip is gonna be make sure you see Dina Bellin on stage, uh, because she's gonna be there once again. You're gonna be moderating a powerhouse panel. Hospitality is not a department. Um, give us a sneak preview, if you can, of what that discussion might unpack and maybe your thoughts on the topic. Dina Belon: Yeah. It's really gonna be, you know, about how hospitality is a culture. It's not a silo. It's, um, it's really formed over time through behavior and modeling. Um, it's not training manuals. It's not a poster on the wall. It's values. Um, it's about, um, really taking everybody in your organization, whether it's ops, which always seems obvious, but the finance departments, you know, HR, uh, the marketing team. Like, is everybody aligned to your mission and values as an organization? And you as a leader, are you practicing, as a lifestyle, the culture of your organization? So hospitality is not about the ops department. It is about the entire organization following a. Identifying first, have you identified? <laugh> Right? So, like, our mission at Staypineapple is where stays become stories. Um, it's a cute, cute way to say it, but it is in very real terms. We want your stay to be so impactful and so memorable that it becomes a lifetime story for you and your family. That kind of connection, that kind of sense of belonging, that kind of emotional feeling, um, is what we're after, and that's our mission. And so, if I'm not living that lifestyle every day as the leader of the organization, and our CFO, and our accountant, and our HR, uh, manager aren't living that lifestyle, how can we ask the hotel teams to live it? Ryan Embree: Yeah. Great point. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's hospitality, right? And what we're always trying to, to try to accomplish, uh, at the end of a guest day is to really, uh, not just, not just feel, feel the, the hospitality, feel the s - the, uh, uh, the, the service that we were providing them. Uh, not just feeling like they, they stayed in, you know, four rooms in a, four rooms in a box, right? That's, that's what - Yeah. The old saying. Dina Belon: How many hotels have you forgotten - Ryan Embree: Right. That's a wonderful point. Wonderful point. And a great segue into our next, because I think you've got an unforgettable, um, uh, portfolio over there. So we're gonna do some rapid fire here, Dina, to get to know you and your, uh, portfolio a little better at Staypineapple Hotel. So, uh, we always like to start with our favorite view from one of your hotels. Dina Belon: Definitely Chicago. So we're in the loop and we look right at the Chicago Theater sign. And then three blocks down the other way, you can see the edge of the bean. And then there's this amazing jazz mural, uh, from the corner rooms of the building. The, the incredible view. And we're an urban city center, so views are not generally our vibe. Um, right? It's usually another building next door. Um, but that one, that is really incredible. Ryan Embree: That makes for a good one. Uh, favorite fun fact about one of your properties? Dina Belon: Oh, uh, this is personal. Uh, uh, Fetch, which is our recycling program, is, um, all built around our dog obsessed culture. Uh, again, we like to be, you know, funny and cheeky. Um, so Dash, who's our, um, our mascot, um, the pineapple pup. Um, he helps with waste reduction education, the Fetch program. Get it? Fetch, dog. Ryan Embree: Oh, I love it. Yeah. There you go. Uh, favorite signature dish, um, or amenity? Dina Belon: Hmm. Um, there's a couple. Oh, goodness. These, this is hard. This is really hard. I, I mentioned the naked experience already, so I'll let that one go, though that is one of my favorites. Again, personal. So you might start to see, I have a little bit of slant towards sustainability. Um, I am. It's a, it's a personal topic that I'm very passionate about. Um, our water bottles. Um, it was a huge lift for us to figure out. So, uh, what, I don't know, five years ago, we used to have, um, unlimited water bottles available to our guests. Um, it's part of our health and wellness program. We believe that, you know, hydration is a big part of health and wellness, particularly in en - urban environments when you're walking a lot, you need to stay hydrated. It gave me a lot of heartburn. <laugh> We were, we were, we were selling, or not selling, giving away a half a million water bottles, plastic water bottles a year. And it just, it hurt my heart. Um, so we were able to partner, um, with Path Water to do a custom 20-ounce aluminum water bottle pre-filled. Um, and we leave that in the guest room complimentary for every guest. And we put a water bar in our lobbies, um, for, to refill those bottles. Um, and that replaced all the plastic water bottles. And so, so now you see really fun, cute, steak pineapple aluminum water bottles all over the airport all the time in our city. Ryan Embree: Hey, there you go. Great marketing goes along with it. Uh, favorite guest experience? Dina Belon: Um, definitely Surprise and Delight, which is our, uh, strategy around that creative, uh, you know, hyper-personalization for guests. Uh, really creating those moments that create memories and stories. Ryan Embree: And then last favorite piece of art. Ryan Embree: <laugh> That's funny. Um, we, we happen to have our owner, our founder, Michelle, is a huge art collector. So that is really hard. We have a lot of original art in our hotels that's from her personal collection. She regularly emails me and says, "Hey, I just bought a new piece, and can you find a place to put it in one of the hotels?" <laugh> And I'm always like, "Oh my God, I'm running out of walls, Michelle." But I think my favorite that she has, um, bought for every single hotel is, um, a Martin Goldstein original dog sculpture. Um, he is famous for creating these whimsical, limited edition bronze dogs that are known as Harvey Dogs. Um, and they're just super cute. Um, and you can find one at every hotel. It's, it's one of those, like, Disney where you have to find the Mickey Mouse and Everything. Ryan Embree: Yeah, like a little Easter egg, yeah. Dina Belon: Exactly. An Easter egg hunt at any Staypineapple is go find the Marty Goldstein, uh, Harvey dog. Ryan Embree: All right. Well, there it, there it is. Challenge, um, put out there for our Suite Spot listeners, uh, visiting Staypineapple Hotels. Well, Dina, thank you. You've spent, um, quite, uh, some time with us. Um, thank you so much for sitting down. As we wrap up today, we do like to look into kind of our hospitality crystal ball. Uh, try to predict the future, which is becoming more difficult to do every single day, uh, now with every, the technology and AI. But, you know, as president of Staypineapple Hotels, what's your vision for the future of, uh, the brand? Dina Belon: Yeah. You know, I think we're gonna continue to expand on our ability to connect with guests and make them feel like they belong when they're at Staypineapple, that they're part of the family. And I know that sounds kitschy, but it's, it's a very real emotional, uh, mission for us. And, and in the broader context, what we believe the hospitality's, hospitality industry's role and responsibility in society is, and will become even more important as robots take over the world. <laugh> That human connection that a hospitality industry can create, um, becomes an imperative for us to stay connected as a society. Ryan Embree: I agree. Yeah, that was just gonna echo that same sentiment. I think it's gonna become more and more im- important. So we need, uh, brands like Staypineapple Hotels to, to keep true to that hospitality mission statement. So Dina, thank you again, uh, for taking the time to join us here on The Suite Spot. Any final thoughts before we wrap up? Dina Belon: Just go out there and be you, you know? Uh, don't be afraid to, uh, come play in the independent space and definitely come to the Independent Hotel Show in Miami and, uh, let's have a cocktail. Ryan Embree: Let's do it. Uh, both Dina and I will have the privilege of being down there in Miami. We hope to see you in person. Dina, thank you so much for joining us here on The Suite Spot, and we hope to see you at the Independent Hotel Show in Miami. Thank you. And thank you for listening. We'll talk to you next time here on The Suite Spot. To join our loyalty program, be sure to subscribe and give us a five-star rating on iTunes. Suite Spot is produced by Travel Media Group. Our editor is Brandon Bell with cover art by Bary Gordon. I'm your host, Ryan Embree and we hope you enjoyed your stay.