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Turning the Page With Des Linden, 2018 Boston Marathon Champion & 2x Olympian · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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Speaker 1: Just slow down and you know, be in the moment,
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Speaker 3: here for a minute, kind of burying the lead, because
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Speaker 3: today's episode is with none other than Does Lindon. She's
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Speaker 3: an Olympian, She's one of your favorite runners, I know
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Speaker 3: she is, and just an all around amazing person, a
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Speaker 3: hilarious human and someone that I am so grateful to
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Speaker 3: have had the opportunity to interview multiple times now. For
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Speaker 3: today's episode, in true Des fashion, we are talking about
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Speaker 3: how to get through hard things, how does navigated the
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Speaker 3: year that was, and her highlights of the year as well,
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Speaker 3: including what will now always be referred to by runners
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Speaker 3: everywhere as Desctober AKAA October where the runner literally ran
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Speaker 3: every single day of the month the mileage of the
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Speaker 3: day one mile for October one, two miles for October two,
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Speaker 3: three miles for October three.
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Speaker 2: You see where I'm going with this.
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Speaker 3: As you can imagine, it definitely got up there toward
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Speaker 3: the end, and she shares with me her real feelings
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Speaker 3: about running that kind of mileage, how she how she
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Speaker 3: navigated it, and what it made her consider for the
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Speaker 3: years to come.
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Speaker 3: I am sitting down with the one and only Des Lindon,
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Speaker 3: professional runner, professional athlete.
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Speaker 2: Does how you doing?
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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, I mean as can be expected, right.
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Speaker 3: As well as can be expected. It's been a while
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Speaker 3: since we chatted. We chatted at like the very beginning
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Speaker 3: of the pandemic. In fact, this was coming to meet
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Speaker 3: you to what would have been record in person, would
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Speaker 3: have been for me the last trip I almost took
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Speaker 3: before I never left my apartment again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first flights canceled.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, Oh what a bummer.
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Speaker 3: It was a bummer, but we still made it happen
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Speaker 3: and to date now the DEAs Lindon episode of Hurdle
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Speaker 3: one of the most popular.
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Speaker 2: Not Surprised.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to me about how you know the year
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Speaker 3: has gone for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been wild, and I think for everyone there's
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Speaker 1: no blueprint, there's no playbook for how to manage. So
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Speaker 1: it's been interesting and I hate to say fun because
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Speaker 1: this is a horrible time, but challenges are always kind
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Speaker 1: of fun. Like you find out a lot about yourself,
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Speaker 1: dig a little deeper than you thought you could, and
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Speaker 1: make some pivots, and it's just all interesting at the end,
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Speaker 1: and if you learn and get better from it, then
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Speaker 1: it's not a lost cause.
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Speaker 3: I suppose talk to me about what you had planned
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Speaker 3: for the year and then what you did instead.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the beginning of the this time last year,
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Speaker 1: we're announcing I'm going to do the trials and then
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Speaker 1: we're going to bounce back and go to Boston and
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Speaker 1: you know, hopefully we'll be on that team and have
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Speaker 1: a really big summer lined up. So it's all this
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Speaker 1: exciting stuff. Did not make the team, which was a bummer.
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Speaker 1: You know. It was such a tough race and I
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Speaker 1: was fourth, and you kind of look at that and
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Speaker 1: it's it just sits in your gut wrong, and you go,
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Speaker 1: all right, this is fine. We got Boston to turn
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Speaker 1: around and at least make it right. And then that
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Speaker 1: just got pulled from the schedule. So it was tough
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Speaker 1: kind of figuring out because you just look at that
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Speaker 1: last race and go, Okay, this is the defining moment,
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Speaker 1: and I really just want to right this wrong. And
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Speaker 1: so when Boston was postponed, I guess initially I tried
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Speaker 1: to say I was super motivated, like maybe we'll get
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Speaker 1: on the track. We had all these big plans and
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Speaker 1: then things just gept falling off pretty rapidly, and so
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Speaker 1: at hip pause and uh just readjust.
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Speaker 3: Can we talk about the mentality of maybe I'll get
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Speaker 3: on the track, because I think I mean, obviously so
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Speaker 3: different going from the marathon to the track. So when
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Speaker 3: someone like you thinks that where's your hat at?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I was just super motivated to get
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Speaker 1: in another trials. It is different, but it's a different
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Speaker 1: you know, It's another one of those challenges where you're like,
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Speaker 1: I've done this before, Let's see if I still got
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Speaker 1: it in me as long as you're not flirting with
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Speaker 1: a long term injury. It's just getting comfortable being uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: but in a different way. And so that was kind
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Speaker 1: of interesting.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: Then obviously there was a pivot there too, but I
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Speaker 1: was enjoying doing that work and kind of tackling the
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Speaker 1: shorter stuff and I think it still pays off eventually,
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Speaker 1: but just a different mentality.
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Speaker 2: Different mentality.
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Speaker 3: So what has running looked like for you in twenty twenty.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been pretty much all over the board. It's
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Speaker 1: looked like a lot of different things. And so, you know,
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Speaker 1: it was hit reset formulate a new plan because I
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Speaker 1: feel like we kind of went all chips in with
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Speaker 1: this Trials Boston. You know, it's a bunch of races
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Speaker 1: in a row, and then it was like, okay, these
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Speaker 1: are all we're to pull the ships back here and
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Speaker 1: re plan this bet. And now it's kind of looked
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Speaker 1: like a long game where go, Okay, well, how many
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Speaker 1: more years can I do this if I'm patient and
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Speaker 1: sort of dole out the energy correctly, And so that
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Speaker 1: looked like a break. So it took a nice bought
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Speaker 1: a month off from running where I just let myself
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Speaker 1: recover and get out of shape and then slowly built
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Speaker 1: back up into shape and then kind of got a
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Speaker 1: little bit bored. So in October we did this Calendar
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Speaker 1: Club challenge that was just a ton of mileage but
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Speaker 1: really really fun. And then in the middle of that
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Speaker 1: challenge in October where I was running the mileage of
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Speaker 1: the day of the month, So October first one mile,
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Speaker 1: October fifteen fifteen miles, October thirty thirty miles, so it
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Speaker 1: adds up late. But in the middle of that month,
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Speaker 1: I think Josh came to me and said, hey, there
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Speaker 1: might be a race in Mississippi. Would you want to
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Speaker 1: do that? And when things fall into your lap, but
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Speaker 1: you don't really overthink it, you go, yeah, I'll give
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Speaker 1: it a try and see what we can do. And
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Speaker 1: so just coming off of that now, so it's been
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Speaker 1: like one of everything, and none of it's been great,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of it's been fun. And it's a
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Speaker 1: little kind of the holding patterns right now.
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Speaker 3: None of it's been great, but a lot of it's
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Speaker 3: been fun. I love that perspective on it. I mean,
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Speaker 3: when was the last time that you took a month
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Speaker 3: completely off of running?
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Speaker 1: Would have been two thy seventeen.
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Speaker 3: At the latter half of the year, right, Did it
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Speaker 3: feel different this time taking time off of running than
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Speaker 3: it did then?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I was more itchy to run this time, Like I
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Speaker 1: kind of I knew I needed the time off, but
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Speaker 1: I wanted to be preparing for something. And then it
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Speaker 1: was also like, well, there's really nothing to prepare for
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Speaker 1: right now, so just like suck it up and let
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Speaker 1: your legs freshen up a bit. So it was it
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Speaker 1: was definitely different than in seventeen, where I was like,
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Speaker 1: I really just need a break.
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Speaker 3: On the note of there's nothing to prepare for right now.
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Speaker 3: I'm sure you've been hearing from a lot of the
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Speaker 3: people that you communicate with, whether it be on Twitter
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Speaker 3: or elsewhere, as I have been hearing just this feedback
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Speaker 3: of I don't know what to do with my running
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Speaker 3: because there is quote unquote nothing to prepare for right now.
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Speaker 2: What do you say to that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's going to be a
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Speaker 1: thing that changes all the time, and discipline is super important,
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Speaker 1: I think. So it's not always going to be a
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Speaker 1: motivation thing that gets you going, and maybe it's not
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Speaker 1: having that motivation out there, but you can still stay disciplined.
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Speaker 1: But if it's just like general fatigue and frustration, also,
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Speaker 1: you got to go easy in yourself too, give yourself
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Speaker 1: a break and allow yourself to miss it a little bit,
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Speaker 1: you know, and then when you go, oh, shoot, I
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Speaker 1: really want to go running, well, you still have plenty
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Speaker 1: of time to get ready because there's still nothing on
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Speaker 1: the schedule.
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Speaker 3: So unless you find a random race in Mississippi to.
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Speaker 1: Go to, exactly, and they're popping up, but they're really
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Speaker 1: small and they're really strange, and everyone has a mask
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Speaker 1: on at the start and we're all spread out and
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Speaker 1: there's no fans. So even when you get back into
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Speaker 1: it's going to look different. You just have to, I
13:38
Speaker 1: don't know, be super flexible about the attitude.
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Speaker 3: So first I want to ask you more about what
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Speaker 3: that race was like, and also like maybe a lesson
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Speaker 3: you took away from the fact that it was so different.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hats off to the folks down there
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Speaker 1: who are able to pull something off right now. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a lot of planning and hard work and
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Speaker 1: they were certainly cautious about things and if it all
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Speaker 1: felt safe enough. So that was good to kind of
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Speaker 1: just experience. But it is very very different in like,
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Speaker 1: these corrals are set up so far apart, and there's
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Speaker 1: you know, a start gun and a few people start,
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Speaker 1: you know, then there's not anybody along the course, so
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Speaker 1: you just have to Again, it goes back to that motivation.
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Speaker 1: If you get really amped up by big crowds of
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Speaker 1: large stage, you're gonna have to just really adapt what
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Speaker 1: your expectations are and also be disciplined when even even
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Speaker 1: if you're out there and you choose to race, like
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Speaker 1: dig into the things at work and you know, keep
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Speaker 1: plugging away, but expect don't expect it to be the same.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And I mean when you think about this year, spending
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Speaker 3: so much time at home, way much more time than
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Speaker 3: you're used to, how has that How has that been
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Speaker 3: for you? The lack of travel and the and the
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Speaker 3: being in one place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. At first, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I love being home. Summer's amazing, Like I get to
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Speaker 1: run with the dogs every day, see Ryan all the time.
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Speaker 1: And now I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go to Mississippi
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Speaker 1: because I need to take a break from those three things,
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Speaker 1: like find me anything. I'll go anywhere and do a
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Speaker 1: race just to get some space. No, I do feel
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Speaker 1: like it's one of those things that I don't want
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Speaker 1: to look back and be like, oh man, I really
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Speaker 1: we had this year where things were totally off the
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Speaker 1: schedule and I didn't you know, I should have done this,
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Speaker 1: or I could have accomplished that. There's still stuff we
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Speaker 1: can get done, and I've worked on like a ton
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Speaker 1: of different projects that I can stay home and do.
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Speaker 1: So it's been great and I don't think I'll be
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Speaker 1: really excited for this period to end. And I hope
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Speaker 1: I don't look back and go, well, I should have
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Speaker 1: could have would have got that done.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, on the reflection note, when you think about
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Speaker 3: the year as a whole, what would you say have
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Speaker 3: been maybe one or two of the biggest lessons that
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Speaker 3: you're walking out of twenty twenty with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just say, I've probably already really hammered these down,
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Speaker 1: but to simplify, I mean, you have to be flexible.
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Speaker 1: You know, we can't have this idea in our head
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Speaker 1: of what it's supposed to be and then be confronted
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Speaker 1: with reality and go, oh no, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: to adapt. Just be open to the possibility that things
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Speaker 1: are going to look different and that you can still manage.
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Speaker 1: And I think find the upside in cremy situations. There's
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Speaker 1: always something positive that we can dig out of it.
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Speaker 1: And whether it's time with the family, not getting on airplanes,
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. I think, you know, we get
16:48
Speaker 1: into the grind and we're like, man, I wish I
16:50
Speaker 1: could just take a weekend home. So I think there's
16:54
Speaker 1: some really great things that have come out of this too,
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Speaker 1: and I'm certainly going to appreciate those things.
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Speaker 3: Aside from the time with your family, the time with
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Speaker 3: your dogs, what has been something else unexpected to come
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Speaker 3: from this year for you?
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Speaker 1: I thought running the Destober miles was totally out of
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Speaker 1: the blue. It was just a project that kind of
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Speaker 1: like fell into our laps, like, oh, this would be
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Speaker 1: really fun to do, and just taking on that new
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Speaker 1: challenge wasn't something I expected to be doing this year
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Speaker 1: and wasn't something i'd expect to really enjoy. Like you
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Speaker 1: get into those late weeks and you're going twenty two miles,
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Speaker 1: twenty three miles, twenty four miles. But I just really
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Speaker 1: got into the rhythm of it and had a lot
17:38
Speaker 1: of fun just going out running for the sake of running,
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Speaker 1: which sounds like a funny thing to be a surprise buy,
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Speaker 1: but when we're training so hard towards the goal, this
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Speaker 1: was just so different, And you know, I liked that
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Speaker 1: I was able to appreciate just going out for a run.
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Speaker 3: I think there's something really beautiful in that too, as
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Speaker 3: you kind of hinted at, just like this idea that
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Speaker 3: there are some things that we do all the time,
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Speaker 3: day in and day out, but until you like take
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Speaker 3: a step back and maybe think of it in a
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Speaker 3: different way or approach it in a different way, Like
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Speaker 3: you're never going to see it from that different lens.
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Speaker 1: It's like the to the trees and the forest analogy,
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Speaker 1: Like sometimes you just do in it to realize that
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Speaker 1: it's beautiful.
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Speaker 3: Right when you uh, when you were doing Dostober previous
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Speaker 3: to that, I mean because you were probably rocking out
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Speaker 3: mileage you've never racked up before in your life.
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Speaker 2: What was the farthest that you had run?
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Speaker 1: Twenty six point two miles? I stop right there.
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Speaker 2: That's the limit for me.
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Speaker 3: So I mean, what did you learn about yourself getting
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Speaker 3: into those like later upper I mean beyond the twenty six.
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I think that I tended to
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Speaker 1: like it got me in pretty decent shape. I thrive
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Speaker 1: off of those big miles, and like IO, towards the end,
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Speaker 1: I was, you know, closing out those runs stronger and
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Speaker 1: stronger each day, which was really kind of cool and
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Speaker 1: different and interesting. So I think there's capacity to you know,
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Speaker 1: move up to the longer stuff eventually and have some
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Speaker 1: fun with that, Like I enjoyed it, So I think
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Speaker 1: I would enjoy training for some of the longer.
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Speaker 3: Distances casual just as announcing her candidacy to be the
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Speaker 3: next Great Ultra marathonor would you be like a trail
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Speaker 3: ultra marathonor or would you be like a road ultra marathon?
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Speaker 1: Her probably road, just because limited trail training out here,
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Speaker 1: and all the trail stuff is at altitude, where then
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Speaker 1: that's a whole different ballpark where You're like climbing into
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Speaker 1: the thousands of feet above here and it's all thin.
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Speaker 2: It's all thin up there. No one wants to be there.
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Speaker 3: What what sneaker were you running in the most in October?
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Speaker 3: Was there one more than others?
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Speaker 1: I usually I was going to say Glistern because that's
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Speaker 1: what I always run in, but I was in the
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Speaker 1: Ghost quite a bit. That was just a really good shoe.
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Speaker 1: I didn't I've never really worn the love of take
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Speaker 1: too much, and I started using that a good amount.
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Speaker 1: Cloister and then Ghost, but Ghost was kind of the
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Speaker 1: taking the grunt of the mileage.
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Speaker 3: What excites you about twenty and twenty one?
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Speaker 1: I feel like fresh start. There's just that, So people
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Speaker 1: are going to be hopeful. Whether or not that goes
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Speaker 1: better or worse than last year, who knows. But the
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Speaker 1: idea of turning a page and feeling like it's a
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Speaker 1: fresh start's always nice. Getting back to racing. I think
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Speaker 1: that that. I really feel like that's going to happen
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Speaker 1: by summerfall, so that'll be really fun to get back
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Speaker 1: to and trying new new things. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: this has been fun. Where I'm going to do the
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Speaker 1: commentating for the marathon project and that's been great. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So there's just I have a hands in a few
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Speaker 1: different projects and like getting to do Doestobers, Like there's
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Speaker 1: nothing elite running about that, but it's like, let's connect
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Speaker 1: the runners who do the activity with the people do
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Speaker 1: the sport and let's bridge that gap just a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And so having that community was really cool, and so
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Speaker 1: things like that. I think we'll be able to do
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Speaker 1: a few more of the those types of things in.
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Speaker 3: The future when like situations are really tough for you,
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Speaker 3: and I mean, obviously it's hard not to reflect on
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Speaker 3: like the Des that we know, which was like tough Boston,
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Speaker 3: but beyond tough Boston. Like when we think about when
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Speaker 3: stuff's hard, like twenty twenty, what do you keep going
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Speaker 3: back to when you're handling tough times. Is there like
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Speaker 3: one mantra or one like mental state or do you
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Speaker 3: put yourself back in like one specific place, Because I'm
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Speaker 3: sure that so many people when they go through tough stuff,
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Speaker 3: they're like, well, if Des could do Boston, then I
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Speaker 3: can do tough stuff. So what does Dez think about?
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Speaker 1: I wish it were really profound, but it's kind of like,
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Speaker 1: don't take things too seriously. I guess this is just running,
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Speaker 1: or you know, it's just coffee that we're roasting, or
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. It's like, just slow down and
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Speaker 1: you know, be in the moment. Don't get too far
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Speaker 1: ahead of yourself, and don't make it super super serious
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Speaker 1: if it's not, because there's always someone else who's dealing
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Speaker 1: with something that's a little bit more difficult. So have perspective.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean you mentioned the highlight of Destober
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Speaker 3: being so awesome. I think that because the year has
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Speaker 3: just been so wishy washy, so many people are like
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Speaker 3: the whole thing was a wash If I was to
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Speaker 3: ask you about, like one of your highlights from the year,
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Speaker 3: what's the highlight.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the trials seems like a low light, but
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Speaker 1: I actually thought it was great. I mean I got
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Speaker 1: to race that field was incredible, the I mean, Atlanta
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Speaker 1: Track Club did such a great job with that event.
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Speaker 1: It was just really special to be a part of
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Speaker 1: that event. So results aside, I loved being in that race.
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Speaker 1: And then you even throw in the results and you go, well,
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Speaker 1: fourth is not that's not too shabby, Like that's okay,
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Speaker 1: And so I thought that was you know, that's an
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Speaker 1: easy one to just put as a highlight.
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Speaker 3: Have you received any stellar advice in twenty twenty?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get advice all the time, and
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Speaker 1: I like to pretend that I knew of it all along.
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Speaker 2: But how do you handle that?
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Speaker 3: Like, how do you handle being someone that probably gets
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Speaker 3: offered a lot of advice or like unsolicited feedback?
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Speaker 1: It's okay, I mean I think you kind of go
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Speaker 1: to the core of it, like, is this someone just
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Speaker 1: like man'splaining for the sake of like talking or something,
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Speaker 1: or is this like someone who genuinely cares about me
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Speaker 1: and is trying to, you know, offer me something that
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Speaker 1: can make me better. Most people are doing it with
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Speaker 1: really good intentions, and so you latch on and go, okay,
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Speaker 1: like I can find something here that's useful.
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Speaker 2: For me, something in the midst of everything.
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Speaker 3: Okay, So we talked about twenty twenty one being excited
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Speaker 3: for racing. Right now, if you had an opportunity to
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Speaker 3: look back at des in March, being the wise days
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Speaker 3: you are in December, and you could offer her one
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Speaker 3: piece of advice, what do you tell her leading into
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Speaker 3: this pandemic.
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Speaker 1: Don't go out too hard, We don't know where the
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Speaker 1: finish line is, and you don't want to be exhausted
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Speaker 1: from doing puzzles right away. Space them out.
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Speaker 3: Space those puzzles out, space them out. Does what anything
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Speaker 3: else you want to offer the hurdler is going into
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Speaker 3: a new year?
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Speaker 2: Any optimism, anything you got?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think it's I said, it's a
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Speaker 1: fresh page and new opportunity. And that doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: be the turn of the calendar year. It can be
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Speaker 1: every single day. You know, you get to show up
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Speaker 1: and see what the day's got for you and try
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Speaker 1: to embrace the good and learn from the bad.
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Speaker 3: Does Thanks so much for your time and forgetting together
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Speaker 3: with me. How do the hurdlers, if they don't already,
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Speaker 3: which I'm sure most of them do, keep up with you,
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Speaker 3: follow along with you, give me all the details.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the Twitter and the Instagram at dez
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Speaker 1: Underscore Linden and you probably need to have some coffee
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Speaker 3: I'm over at Emilia's Body and at Hurdle Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Another Hurdle Conquered. Gotch you guys, Next time