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What Should I Buy? - Wagon Edition: GTM’s Ultimate Long Roof Debate · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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Our panel of brake fix petrol heads are back for another rousing.
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What should I buy debate using unique shopping criteria?
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They are challenged to find our first time collector the best vehicle that
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will make their friends go Where do you get that or what the hell is wrong
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with you at the next cars and coffee?
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What's up everyone, it's your host brad and with me as always is
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my co host eric So GTM Northeast Region Chief Harry is looking for
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a new car, specifically a wagon.
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So we thought wouldn't it be fun to rally the troops and play
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another round of what should I buy?
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Wagons edition.
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So Harry, why don't you tell us why you'd like to become a member of
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the long roof society by telling us what you're replacing and
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laying out your shopping criteria.
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Okay.
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So currently the only vehicle my wife and I have is a 99 four runner.
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Third gen.
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Best gen.
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We're replacing a mini four door that we leased.
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Good car, not a great car.
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Definitely looking for something a little bigger.
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My requirements are kind of unique because my wife is really hard on rims.
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Something with a big sidewall is really important, which
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is hard to find in nice cars.
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The higher you get in the model, the bigger the rim, the smaller the tire.
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So, looking for some big tires, not big rims.
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Looking for something that says I've got class, but not money.
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Oddly enough, going to customers houses and being seen around
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town, being in the small business.
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It's important to not be too flashy, but not looking like you're broke.
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So that's where the mini came in last time.
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That's also really important to us.
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Normally I like the lease cars because I don't like to get committed
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to anything outside of my wife.
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I like three years, maybe two years and change it out for something else.
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All right.
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So those are pretty much for our requirements.
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I don't really have anything else.
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Don't need four wheel drive.
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I got, we got the four runner.
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I've got a bunch of trucks.
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Yeah, that's about it.
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Do you have a dollar requirement, Harry?
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So looking like you have class, but not money, that is the dollar requirement.
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So it's probably somewhere in that 30 to 50 range.
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Anything more than 50 to me would be, you know, I'd love to own a Merck
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wagon, but it's just too much money.
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Is there a age?
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Does it have to be within the last five years, seven years, three years, 10 years?
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Are you looking new, used, any of those types of requirements?
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So the current fleet is my work truck, which is new, but beat,
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it's already got 33, 000, the 99 forerunner, and we have a 74 Alfa Romeo.
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So that is the current fleet.
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So something that is new in the last, maybe just off lease would
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be as old as I'm willing to go.
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So basically I'm looking for a new car and we'll be really comfortable on road trips.
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A parameter that I didn't mention earlier, like, Being able to do five,
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600 miles at a pretty good clip.
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All right.
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All right.
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All right.
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Now that we've properly chummed the water, the piranhas, I mean, the rest
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of tonight's panel of GTM members, we'll submit some cars for you to consider.
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But before we get into it, I'd like to introduce Crutch, Mike Crutchfield.
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We've got his lovely wife, Chrissy, definitely the better half.
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We've got hazmat.
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We've got Tanya hailing from Texas.
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We've got Andrew Mason.
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We've got our newcomer to the show, Rob Lors, and then of course you've
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met our Northeast Region Chief, Harry.
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All right, who wants to chime in first?
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Who's got a card for Harry?
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I've already got three or four, but I want to hear what
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the peanut gallery has to say.
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Before we start, there's one thing I have to point out.
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There's been a long standing internal debate, well, let's call it what
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it is, it's an argument, within GTM about the differences between a
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wagon, a hatchback, and a liftback.
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While some might lump all of these cars together, we don't.
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Therefore, for tonight's purposes, to be considered a wagon, the vehicle
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must be built with a D pillar.
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Vehicles like the VW GTI or the Subaru Impreza, though wagon like, are considered
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hatchbacks and therefore disqualified.
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And with that, let's get into it.
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Given that criteria, your suite of available wagons has gotten
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very small over the years.
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We've got, really, the Buick Regal Tourex, which is I think it's, it's
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actually a very, a very attractive car.
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The golf sport wagon, which ended production in 2019, which is still
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available, new on dealer lots, as well as the all wheel drive version
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of that, which it's, you know, a neat little gimmick for them to sell more.
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But the problem I have with the newer Volkswagen wagons is they shop the roof
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line on those wagons so much with the mark sevens that it makes putting anything
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large in the back of that lift gate.
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Uh, really difficult.
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I have a feeling the Buick has a similar problem, but I'm not sure
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it's as pronounced as the Volkswagen.
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Are you saying I don't fit in the back of the Volkswagens?
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You do in pieces.
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You might not fit in the mark 7s in the back seat But and the mark 6 has
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just ended too far too long ago for the criteria, unfortunately I guess
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another criteria that I didn't mention is the fact that we own a fleet of
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trucks, and I also own my pickup truck, so Capacity of a wagon isn't really,
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like, we don't have to put shit in it.
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We have other trucks to do most of the heavy hauling.
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I do like just having the gen the space in general for grocery getting and whatnot.
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Like, I like having the space versus having a grocery getter.
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And the Buick Regal X is currently leading the charge, and I can't believe it.
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I've never ever.
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Owned, actually I owned one GMC, but I've never owned a GM vehicle before
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outside of that one piece of crap truck.
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Well, I mean, we, we actually have, we've had wagons and we have a Passat sedan
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right now, because unfortunately the U.
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S.
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was, was cursed to not getting the wagon.
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But we actually have found that the trunk in the Passat holds a similar volume to
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what the back of our Jetta wagon held.
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Because the trunk is just massive while it's nice to have the larger opening if
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having that big empty cavernous space that fits large items isn't as big a
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deal, you know, looking at one of the sedans with a larger trunk for a grocery
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getter could still solve your problem.
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All right.
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So I'm going to throw it over to Chrissy because I want to hear what
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the, the, the other half of the Crutchfield dynasty has to say.
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I feel like he sold a lot of my stuff.
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So I think that under that 50k mark, especially if it's like an end of a
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lease, you can probably look at a Volvo, like a V70, which are nice, and they've
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updated, they've gotten away from the boxiness of it, which is nice too.
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I do like the Buick, but at the same time, it's a little expensive
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for a Buick, in my opinion.
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And I do like the Golf Wagon, but like Mike said, the roofline's lower.
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However, you and Justine are shorter than Mike.
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So I don't think that that's a problem.
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Sorry, hon.
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Rob, you're new.
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You're fresh meat.
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Let's go for it.
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The Regal Torax actually only starts at like just under 30k.
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So price wise, it sort of fits right in there.
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I was also going to say the only counteract to the sedan is I saw obviously
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that you have a dog and dogs don't like trunks, dogs, love hatchbacks and wagons.
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So I know for like, for my family, we had a Jetta that my wife loved
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and we finally got rid of it and got her a Subaru Outback, which.
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I would not suggest only because they switched all the CVTs,
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and that's a pile of crap.
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But our Outback is a manual, so it's actually a ton of fun.
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And the dog loves being in the back of that thing, and the kids
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love sliding around in it too.
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But yeah, I'd say the Buick should be the leading contender.
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I think if you go to the Volvo, it starts edging into that.
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Like you have old money sort of feel as opposed to just looking nice.
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It looks like you loaded a close friend.
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Classmates, parents recently got rid of their Mazda three and picked up
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a pre owned, you know, V 70 wagon.
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And literally the first joke on the first camping trip was like, Oh, who
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died and left you a pile of money?
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Because it just seemed like that was the joke to make when you got a Volvo wagon.
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So the Buick wagon, we saw it at one hiking trip and it is
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gorgeous when properly outfitted.
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Like, we walked up to it and my wife and I literally stopped in our tracks
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and both of us were like, what is that?
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Because at a distance across the way, it actually has a little bit of a look of
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the, uh, the Jaguar wagons they made for a while that were pretty sweet looking, even
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though they, I wouldn't necessarily want one, but they were pretty sweet looking.
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So it has a tinge of that Jaguar wagon look, a tinge of that Volvo
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wagon look, but it's a Buick.
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So no one thinks that you're rolling in dough.
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And it looks pretty fly and has meets all the criteria.
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So it's tough to beat that option.
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Is the Volvo an old money look or just an old look?
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That's what does fly mean?
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If you have to ask, you are not, you're pretty fly for a white guy.
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Exactly.
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It looked pretty pretty awesome.
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I'll put it that way.
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It looked sleek and Futuristic even I would say so bigger guys.
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It was in it was pretty awesome So I I would agree with you there rob.
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I really thought the the regal was a handsome car until I saw it
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in person And the photographs of it Were much better than when I
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first saw it at the DC auto show a couple of years ago when it debuted.
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And the reason I say that is the concept Regal Torex was different in the rear.
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And what really turned me off is I didn't like the chrome and I didn't
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like the way it felt like the artist pencil broke as he got to the D pillar.
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And it's like, well, I don't really know what to do here.
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So I'm just going to continue this chrome from the front all
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the way to the tail lights.
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And if I owned one of those and my wife considered one, as a
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matter of fact, And we ultimately ended up with a Cadillac instead.
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The first thing she said was, that needs to go away.
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Meaning, make that black, right?
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Because it's just a little bit ostentatious, because the rest of
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the car doesn't have any chrome, except for that large arch from
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the A pillar to the D pillar.
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That's, that's a GM thing.
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Just throw too much chrome everywhere.
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You buy a GM car if you want to look good.
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You gotta, gotta get rid of the chrome.
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GM loves the chrome.
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Styling is, is a personal thing.
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It's very subjective.
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I still think it, at the right angles, it is a good looking car, but it is
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deceivingly large, and I think that's another thing that I didn't realize
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from the photographs until I saw it.
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It's a very, very big car.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's similar length to the V70.
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Which is not a small Volvo either.
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No, it's bigger than the V 70.
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It's huge.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, definitely.
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It was.
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It had been backed into a spot so that that front threequarter
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view, it is a gorgeous vehicle.
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Like, I mean, it's one of those, you definitely, you know, you stop yourself
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in a parking lot to look at it, which is.
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Amazing to see, let's call a spade a spade.
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We're saying this about a Buick, which is kind of ridiculous for a
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Buick made in the last 20 years.
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Like that's the car that your grandmother happened to have
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bought that you kind of laugh at.
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That's about it.
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It's a Vauxhall.
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Let's yeah, let's be serious, right?
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Yeah, you mean an Opel, right?
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Yeah, right.
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It's made, it's made in Germany.
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So checks that box.
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Other than the aesthetics of the Regal wagon, the other downside to the Regal,
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why we didn't get one was when we looked at it from an economy standpoint, right?
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Regal is so big and heavy and it's powered by a two liter turbo.
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Like everything is nowadays, the mileage was worse than the Cadillac we had.
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And so at that point, Jess, what was the mileage?
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It was.
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So the Cadillac, the best they could ever do was like 24 and
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the Regal was worse than that.
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So it's not great.
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But if you don't care about fuel economy, then enjoy yourself.
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I would own a Mazda 500.
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You get bigger tires on it.
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Like, everything's an 18 and it goes to a 19 and that's why it's disqualified.
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Like, I'd own a hatchback.
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You can't get bigger rims on it.
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I have to immediately swap out.
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Okay, Andrew.
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So what else do you want to say other than Buick?
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Well, I was going to say, I was going to say Outback.
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I didn't know about the CVT.
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I was not familiar with that, but up until hearing that, I mean, a Subaru
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is definitely not ostentatious.
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It definitely blends in.
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And if you need someone to work on it, it's a Subaru.
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They're like Legos.
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So that was going to be my out of the box pick, but yeah, I mean, just, While
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Robin and uh Crutch were talking I was looking up that Buick and yeah, it's
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a good looking car And I don't know.
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I'd definitely get one get a driving one, but no, I don't have anything else We
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went to the local Subaru dealer and he's been bothering me for probably about six
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months now like borderline harassment That guy put a bad taste in my mouth.
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Was he sending you care packages full of granola and Birkenstocks too?
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It was pretty close.
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If he knew where I lived, he probably would have.
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During the pandemic, like the, the heat of the moment, he's like, we're still open.
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You can come in and order a car from the parking lot.
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I was like, Dave, I don't want your car.
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Thank you.
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I mean, the, the Outbacks are, are, I mean, we love ours and
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everybody who owns one loves them.
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I mean, there's a reason everybody who has an Outback buys another
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Outback because they're great.
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And just in the last, Eight months or almost a year, you can get the,
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whatever they call it, the XT model that has the turbocharged motor.
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So instead of dealing with that 178 horsepower, you get the 268
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horsepower one and it's only like a three or four mile per gallon hit.
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And so it's actually gets out of its own way.
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But the, the one complaint from anyone who's driven one, and I've
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had them as rental cars a few times 'cause I'll, I'll seek them out 'cause
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they feel familiar, which is nice.
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And they're much better than most of the crap you can get is
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just that CBT drives you insane.
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I mean, you just, you're driving it and you're like, everything about
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it just annoys me as I'm driving it.
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The biggest thing about Subaru is I have a shop down the road from me at
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a friend of mine, it's a Subaru tuner.
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The beauty of those cars is if you haven't done a head gasket,
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wait, you'll do one soon.
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That's been the biggest problem with Subarus is they are just notoriously
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unreliable in that respect.
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They don't have the durability.
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And a lot of them that I see for whatever reason, they just They rot,
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you know, which really surprises me.
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I know that's probably less of an issue for Harry because he's not,
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you know, not probably not keeping it for 20 years, but those things
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rot and it's not, not a good thing.
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Ours is a 98.
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We've had zero problems with that.
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The valve cover gaskets I've had to do, but I've done them
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myself because as Andrew said, like they're a joke to work on.
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I drove up a pair of ramps and half an hour later they were both replaced.
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In a week I'm replacing the power steering pump and mine's got 170, 000 miles on it.
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And that's like the first three things I've had to replace are those things.
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I should also say that the requirement for this car is about 5, 000 miles a year.
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My wife works from home and doesn't leave the house.
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That's kind of where the leasing comes in because we can get a
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10, 000 mile lease and be okay.
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She doesn't drive.
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Worst case scenario we just start driving my truck at the end.
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Why don't you just go, why don't you just go old school and buy
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some, uh, classic station wagon?
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Yeah, you need a, you need a late 80s grand marquee with
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wood paneling on the side.
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Actually, what I really want is one of those old Merc diesel wagons.
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That's what I want in the driveway.
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Nice 300 TD.
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Well, the nice thing about those is you can do those with veggie oil.
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Yeah, because I have so much veggie oil laying around, I'm just gonna
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be able to fill up all the time.
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Let's throw another choice out there.
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So, I mean, there are some old school options and I think we'll get to that,
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but let's, let's stay on this in the last two years, potentially be able
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to lease it or off lease type of car.
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Does anybody else have anything in the hopper?
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I have a few, but continue.
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I want to hear from Tanya because she is, she's against wagons.
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She's anti wagon.
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She's, she's perfect for this.
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I want to hear what she has to say.
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Not anti wagon.
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I'm anti people that pretend like wagons are the savior to, to
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everything when in fact wagons have unfortunately gone to the wayside
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because SUVs have become more popular.
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So there's been people that are like, Oh, I need a wagon because how could I
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possibly fit my groceries in a Camry?
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And it's like, you can fit your groceries for like six months in your Camry.
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Let's be real here.
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That's not why you want a wagon.
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Just admit that you like the styling and the aesthetics and the
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performance that a wagon brings you versus something like an SUV.
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Because unfortunately, I'm not in a station in life where I need
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an SUV, and I don't want one.
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An SUV is, they're kind of ugly, they're really big, they're fuel inefficient,
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they're not performance vehicles.
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You're not going to go trundling down mountain roads, really taking turns.
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You can still do that in a wagon, because it's an SUV.
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It's a really long car and my, my problem with wagons is just people that aren't
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honest about why they like a wagon.
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It's like, they're embarrassed to say they like a wagon.
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Just admit that you like the styling of a wagon.
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It's fine.
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I don't hate all of them.
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I mean, some of them are ugly, like, like the old ones.
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Okay.
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Who's out there trying to get one of those, those Partridge
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Family wood panel style wagons?
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I would love a Buick Roadmaster!
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No, no, I don't want no Oldsmobile whatever they were, okay?
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But, you know, a nice tastefully lowered A4 wagon with big rims and tinted windows?
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I mean, yes, please, I would definitely drive one of those if you gave it to me.
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Am I gonna go choose one?
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No.
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But I mean, there, there you have it.
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At the end of the day, depending what your use case is, this day and
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age, unfortunately, an SUV trumps.
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Out wagons and that's why they're disappearing because you get the
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same cargo space if not more Have more than the small tune in 2.
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5 nuclear family You know you get third row seating and granted the
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third row isn't necessarily comfortable But for small children they can fit
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back there and you can still carry some things in the trunk You get all
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that space you get four wheel drive.
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You can also not get four wheel drive You got ground clearance so you can
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go up into the mountains and the dirt roads and all that stuff and
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honestly You're not going to take your low riding wagon over tree trunks.
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Uh, that's an exaggeration.
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You're probably not going to take your SUV either.
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Maybe a Bronco, but you know, whatever, but it's not as, it's
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not as practical anymore and, and, and they're just disappearing.
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So my biggest gripe again, is just people that aren't forthright
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with why they like wagons.
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For us, it's very unique.
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Cause like we want to be the, the ideal wagon owner just for the aesthetic.
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I just don't like sedans.
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They don't take my boxes and I don't rev my motor.
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I appreciate you saying that.
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But to Tanya's point, I did some fact checking with respect to wagons because,
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you know, as she stated, a matter of factly SUVs are taking, you know, they've
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been taking over for 15 years now.
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Right.
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And so as I was doing my research in 2010, so going back just 10 years in the
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United States, This doesn't include like, you know, as Rob said, there were some
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Jaguars and some one off wagons that they sold all of three of in the United States.
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But in 2010, there were 16 wagons available that you could choose from.
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That's pretty decent considering the number of manufacturers that
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actually bring cars to the States.
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In 2015, that number reduced by 50%.
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Five years later, we're down to eight wagons available.
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In 2019, six and one of those six, I actually don't even consider it a
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wagon and we'll go over that later.
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So your choices are getting slimmer and slimmer and slimmer every day.
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But Harry hit on something with the sidewall thing with the tires, right?
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And I've heard the stories about the bent wheels, and I bought a set off of you,
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and yeah, they were, they were rough.
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I would say, if that's a major thing, then maybe the wagon isn't the right choice,
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and something like a Grand Cherokee, or the new Bronco, or something else is the
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right choice, because it's the same size.
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The Bronco is in the works.
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When I can get a Bronco, the Bronco is something I do want.
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Put a down payment on one today.
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Yeah, and get one in 2022, but I need a vehicle today.
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Like I'm ready to buy next week.
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Gotcha.
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I have my sales guy from work all primed up.
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I think his dealership owns 42 different marquees.
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So I basically can get whatever I want.
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I just need to text him and say, this is the car I want.
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Please have it ready for me on this date.
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Are you limited to your manufacturer?
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Because If you don't want to go full SUV, there's obviously the small compact
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crossover type SUVs, the HRVs, the Honda HRVs of the world, if you will.
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So we were right before COVID like really shuts it down.
20:41
We were about to buy a CX 5, really close.
20:44
It's still probably the clubhouse leader for us.
20:48
That really red CX 5 is just a really nice car.
20:52
It's a lifted wagon, as Tiny kind of alluded to, didn't all out say
20:56
it, but with that unibody chassis on those cars, those crossovers,
21:00
they're just lifted wagon.
21:01
So that's kind of where we were leaning towards actually staying
21:04
down range in that CX 5, so we didn't get the bigger tires, specifically.
21:11
I mean, she is literally brutal.
21:13
So I found out why though, my wife is only five foot two, maybe she actually can't
21:19
see the potholes in rural Pennsylvania.
21:23
So she hits them because she's so short.
21:25
It's like a little old lady driving, so she can't see the potholes
21:28
and she just runs into them.
21:29
And then I think of the TDI, we had a Volkswagen TDI for years.
21:33
She, she went through four or five rims in a year.
21:36
I bought her 16s.
21:38
To make it through the rest of our uh, I might have a better suggestion leave
21:44
pennsylvania Yeah, the problem is there's just not a lot of choices out there
21:48
right now for wagons and you're right you know, I think your better option is
21:53
to find a small to mid sized crossover Because it fills all the same needs
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without having to get yourself stuck in a niche, which is the wagons right now.
22:06
You know, as Eric was saying, you know, they went from, what,
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18 to nine wagons in 2019.
22:13
But, you know, if you look at my favorite kind of cars, which are
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coupes, and particularly three door coupes, You know, they don't exist.
22:20
Volkswagen doesn't sell those anymore.
22:22
So crutch, man said a Regal or the Buick Regal Rob said the Buick Regal, Mr.
22:30
Mason, I believe said the Buick Regal in a bunch of other words, uh, has Matt.
22:35
Hasn't said anything.
22:38
Tanya said, don't buy a wagon.
22:42
Chrissy said, Mike stole her thunder.
22:44
Eric, do you want to chime in or should I go?
22:46
Well, I have a legitimate answer and then I have some other alternatives,
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but if we're sticking within the last two years, no, I don't
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want the alternatives for sure.
22:56
We're definitely going to get there because they're good.
22:58
Let me tell you, if we're sticking within the last two years, if you want something
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that isn't too bougie, that is going to be a great all around car, doesn't suck
23:08
fuel, like it's going out of style, can handle the weather up in Pennsylvania.
23:13
I would tell you to look at the A4 Allroad.
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It's a better looking car than the Regal.
23:17
As good looking as the Regal is, like Tanya said, you tint the windows
23:21
and put a set of wheels and tires, if you were doing that, on an A4.
23:25
Great car.
23:26
Great handling car.
23:27
Excellent all wheel drive.
23:28
Yeah, and the A4 doesn't say you have a ton of money.
23:31
It just says that you wanted that car.
23:33
It's like owning the Beamer Wagon.
23:36
Maybe exudes a little money, but just says you really wanted a wagon.
23:40
The, the all roads were always big money.
23:42
They rivaled the, uh, the S four is in certain respects because,
23:45
you know, the S four was slammed on the ground station wagon.
23:49
The all road was up in the air station wagon.
23:52
The, the, the terrifying thing about those cars is it's an Audi.
23:56
And I have a friend, he bought an S four wagon.
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He has so far sunk 30, 000 into it.
24:05
And it still isn't done.
24:06
Because it needed turbos and it needed a motor and it needed, there's
24:12
a laundry list, you know, and, and that's, that's kind of the problem
24:15
with those cars is, well, see, I think Matt is talking about the a six all
24:19
road, which the older all roads were notorious for having all kinds of issues,
24:24
mechanical issues, electrical issues.
24:27
That's back when Audi was junk.
24:29
Now, Audi is just a little junky, but they were real serious junk back then.
24:33
I think Eric is talking about the new a four based all road, which is
24:37
supposed to be a much better car.
24:38
And it uses a two liter turbo GTI motor.
24:41
So it's a commodity engine, which is much cheaper.
24:44
And if something does break, it's a couple hundred bucks instead
24:46
of a couple thousand dollars.
24:48
And I'm not exaggerating there, but it is a.
24:50
Decent price differential.
24:52
If you look at what the A6 was and the A6 doesn't make my list for that very reason.
24:56
And it's also massive.
24:58
I mean, it might as well be a yacht in comparison to the A4 and they did make
25:02
a newer version of the A6 all road, but again, it's just too big for me.
25:06
And when you start comparing lengths and you're getting up above, you know,
25:09
195 inches, I mean, you're, you're, You're starting to get into, you know,
25:13
explorer territory, you know, in terms of sizes and, and vehicles that are
25:17
bigger than a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
25:19
I mean, stuff, it just, at that point, why do you need the wagon?
25:22
Just, just buy an SUV.
25:23
It's just too big, you know, in my opinion, but to each his own, right.
25:27
Just to continue on that thought, if we go back to 2015 and you were considering
25:33
something just a little bit older, maybe picking it up, use something from CarMax.
25:37
I would tell you.
25:38
Out of the list of the eight cars, or maybe ten cars that were available
25:42
in 2015, knowing the criteria now that you have, I would actually lean
25:48
you towards the Honda Crosstour.
25:50
Because, again, a soft car, big car, lift back, with big puffy balloon tires, comes
25:58
in all wheel drive, Same old k motor that was like in the tsx and and that kind of
26:02
thing also came with a b6 And it's cheap.
26:06
It's a honda Acura made one too.
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Yeah, I was going to touch on to add the class factor You would get the acura zdx,
26:16
which is essentially the cross tour In acura trim and it's a little bit better
26:20
I think it's better looking it's more angular more I guess they were a lot more
26:26
expensive than the cross tours, but I think that would be a similar alternative.
26:31
They didn't sell.
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No.
26:32
So they're harder to find.
26:34
Our old bookkeeper had one.
26:35
I haven't seen any of them other than that.
26:37
Yeah.
26:37
The cross tour.
26:38
I got a neighbor with a cross door and that has not aged.
26:41
Well, looks wise.
26:42
I agree from a, from a usability standpoint, it's perfect, right?
26:45
It's balloon tires.
26:47
It's it's, they use it to putz around, you know, a few thousand
26:49
miles a year at most in it.
26:51
And.
26:51
You know, they have, uh, they have a dog and a daughter.
26:54
So like the, that, like the tiniest point, right.
26:56
The difference in my brain for a wagon is if you have a dog that's bigger than
27:00
a shih tzu, a wagon helps a ton because then you can actually have a passenger
27:04
and a dog if you want to go out camping and stuff, or keep at least your interior
27:07
slightly clean, but yeah, that's the, the Crosstor, it's a very usable functional
27:12
vehicle, but it's, it's looks have not, I mean, I see it every day when I walk my
27:15
dog outside and it's, It hasn't aged well.
27:18
I find it interesting as a car guy, but it's definitely more car guy interesting
27:22
than traditional decent looking car.
27:24
The Acura looks pretty solid though.
27:26
I'm absolutely anal when it comes to cleaning my cars.
27:30
All the vehicles get maintained outside of the Miata.
27:33
You guys have seen the Miata.
27:34
The Miata is beat.
27:36
It's currently sitting outside.
27:37
Hasn't been started in four months.
27:39
I think Harry's Miata is still carrying the same mud from 2018's
27:44
Summer Bash, shouldn't it know?
27:46
It is!
27:47
The rest of my vehicles are all maintained.
27:49
I really, really love detailing cars when I get to take Saturday
27:53
and Sunday off from work.
27:56
That is what I do in my free time to enjoy myself is, uh, detail cars.
28:01
So I really love it.
28:02
That's why we bought the forerunner just so I didn't have a car that I, my wife
28:06
could drive it as much as she wanted and ruin it and not wash it and take
28:10
the dogs out and not have me freak out.
28:13
So, Eric, what else is on your list?
28:17
I'm not getting into the good ones yet, but if I go back another five
28:21
years, into the 2010s, there's some really interesting stuff there.
28:24
Now, I know it's out of Harry's criteria, but I want to dive into the used car
28:29
market just a little bit, just for fun.
28:31
Yeah, me too.
28:32
I want to dive in too.
28:33
We could maybe own one of those and a new car.
28:36
So, when you go All possibilities.
28:37
When you go back to 2010, you have all sorts of weird one-offs, like the
28:42
Lexus, you know, wagons and the, the Mazda sixes and all that kind of stuff.
28:48
But you also have some enthusiast cars.
28:50
In 2010, you've got the three series BMWs, the five series BMWs, the Mercks, you
28:55
know, the eClass, all that kind of stuff.
28:57
You've got a plethora of Volvos V 50 70, XC 70, which is still
29:02
a wagon before it became an SUV.
29:04
But you also have stuff like the Cadillac CTS station wagon,
29:08
which I mean if you're a car guy, that's the holy grail of wagons.
29:13
Good luck finding one of those.
29:15
Knew they were 60 grand, used their 70.
29:18
But you don't have to get the V.
29:19
That's true, that was my point.
29:21
But they're also tiny.
29:22
Knew they were 60 and used their don't exist.
29:26
Itty bitty cars.
29:27
They're teeny weeny cars inside.
29:29
They're They're normal size on the outside.
29:31
Every auto show I would go sit in those things because I was excited
29:34
as an enthusiast to get in one.
29:36
Even the passenger seat was too small and I'm barely six feet tall.
29:39
It's a tiny, tiny car.
29:41
It really depends.
29:42
But in the, speaking of the Cadillac, I would tell you having owned one,
29:47
the SRX is not that much bigger.
29:51
It actually isn't really bigger at all than the CTS wagon.
29:54
It's up higher, bigger sidewalls.
29:56
It drives like a Cadillac It's got a GM engine that's been
30:00
around for a hundred years.
30:02
The gas mileage was the only deterrent on the SRX.
30:06
So I like the angular style looks, it looks like an elongated kind of
30:10
stretched out CTS and you can have one of those any day of the week.
30:14
I will tell you, do a 2015 or a 2016 the last year.
30:19
Uh, like we had, because that's when they improved the Q system
30:22
and a lot of the interior stuff.
30:24
It's a lot better than the early ones.
30:25
They just took care of some of the problems and those cars
30:27
are relatively inexpensive.
30:29
If you wanted to go into that crossover and have a little bit more posh, I would,
30:34
I would tell you that as an option.
30:37
I'm 5'10 just for the record.
30:38
5'10 I fit in every vehicle.
30:39
I'm 5'11 I've instructed, I've instructed in Lotuses, I fit in every vehicle made.
30:45
Yeah, no, and I normally can squeeze, I mean, I have a Miata,
30:48
it is what it is, but like, that car just felt claustrophobic coming
30:51
out of any other vehicle I sat in.
30:53
Including like a Boxer or Cayman like you sit in that CTSV and it's
30:56
like you're in you're in like this weird little shell It's the weirdest.
31:00
It's it's too small.
31:01
It's comically small So what I will say though is I mean if you take all
31:06
the you know The Kia Rondos and the Hyundai Elantra Touring and all that
31:10
garbage and throw them away They scream money Elantra Touring I have a friend
31:16
with they actually like that car a lot.
31:17
I do too and she raves about it But what I'm What else is in there is what
31:22
Mike was getting at is if you go back to 2010, there is a Passat wagon, right?
31:27
So if you're looking for a bigger Volkswagen, stuff like that.
31:30
But I think you just, there's some other cars in that mix that
31:33
I think we've forgotten about.
31:35
And again, I was looking at, at these just block years to say
31:38
what car was sold in that year.
31:40
I don't know when they ended.
31:41
I didn't do that much research to say, okay, they, they, they made the forever.
31:46
I mean, When did they stop making the TSX wagon?
31:49
That was actually a good looking car.
31:51
If I look, if they made the Crosstour through 15, I think they just sunsetted
31:54
the Crosstour a couple of years ago.
31:56
So it would probably be at the same time.
31:58
It looks like 2014 was the last.
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Okay.
32:01
You mean the European Honda Accord Wagon?
32:04
It was a pretty decent, as wagons go, it wasn't bad.
32:08
It wasn't nearly as weird as the, uh, was it the mid 90s Honda Accord Wagon?
32:15
It was the weird, angular, you know, flip up headlight front end,
32:20
and this modern, rounded rear end that didn't match the front at all.
32:25
If you go back to that 2010, I haven't researched this, like you have, Eric, but
32:29
Like my favorite looking wagon of sort of that 2000 or 2000 2010 2015 world is the
32:35
sob wagons 9 5 wagon would be pretty good 9 5 wagons are really attractive cars.
32:40
They drive pretty well You can still get them with a stick if you wanted you don't
32:43
have to But they had tons of space They have like a little bit of the quirkiness
32:47
with the key on the floor and stuff And they drove drove really well and most
32:51
of those sobs came with pretty big side walls that you would have any problems
32:55
You know getting the smaller tires and those things And those SOB wagons are,
32:59
I think, really, really attractive.
33:01
Harry, did you consider that the essence model of the TourX comes
33:05
with an in vehicle air ionizer?
33:08
Oh God.
33:08
So God, I mean, I dunno if any sobs have that air up to it.
33:14
Make it air ionizer so it cleans the air as you're in it.
33:19
So Harry, no matter how funky you are, it's just, that
33:21
sounds like something I need.
33:24
Does it kill Covid?
33:24
So my wife, we we're driving around and my, my at one 50 today, my wife's
33:29
complaining about my body odor the whole time . 'cause I work outside.
33:33
I mean, I want to go back to what Andrew said.
33:35
Now, Andrew, you said that there's an air ionizer.
33:37
Is that in the Buick or is that built into the essence level trim of the Buick?
33:42
Okay.
33:42
So I have a much cheaper solution to this problem of air ionization.
33:48
I heard the windows down.
33:50
I heard recently that you can put a scented candle in your center console.
33:56
And that takes care of the problem.
34:03
You look at the opportunity right now, because if they market this the right way,
34:08
and let people know there's an ionizer, but maybe modify it to kill COVID.
34:14
How about, how about it, it cleans up its own carbon footprint as you drive it.
34:18
How about that?
34:19
I'm not a big fan of the, the, the, the old like 1920s robber headlights.
34:23
It looks like a raccoon on those.
34:26
They're weird.
34:27
I thought they were fly cars.
34:28
I love.
34:29
I'm trying to look up what years they had those wagons, but those the sub 95.
34:33
What does fly mean?
34:35
But harry harry, I I mean i'll sell you i'll sell you my gulf estate, you know
34:40
It's got a it's got a six cylinder.
34:42
It's a wagon.
34:43
You know, it's all good.
34:44
It's a 2003 though We know of another one coming down the pipe.
34:47
That's, that's true.
34:49
Yeah, I think, I'm trying to convince, well actually, she wants old cars,
34:54
but she can't handle old cars.
34:55
Every time she drives a 4Runner, she's like, oh it made a clunk.
34:58
I go, yeah, it's old, it makes clunks.
35:00
That's what they do, they're old cars.
35:02
You just have to deal with it.
35:03
Shuts the door of the Alfa, like, oh it made a noise.
35:06
Yeah, that's what it does, it's old, it makes noises.
35:09
Just have the deal with them, so she's really a new car girl.
35:12
All right, Tanya, this 2009, by the way, for the SOB nine five Wagon,
35:16
Tanya, you said you had another one not in the 2010 to 2015 range.
35:21
Oh, I, I don't even care about his criteria.
35:23
I've got a whole bunch of stuff that I like.
35:26
Harry B.
35:27
Damned, his criteria means absolutely zero to me, and I'm about to lay into
35:32
it, but I want to hear what you got.
35:33
It's on like Donkey Kong!
35:35
Come on!
35:36
So, so Rob stole a little bit of my thunder there, because
35:39
if we're gonna go older, 9 2 X Arrow, what a good looking wagon.
35:47
It's a Subaru looking sob.
35:49
I don't care.
35:50
It looks better as a so than a Subaru.
35:52
Yes, it does.
35:53
Yes it does.
35:54
And I saw one, like when I was in uh, Colorado the last time, there was a
35:58
lady just trolling down the highway and I was like, bam, that looks good.
36:03
I've always really liked the sabers.
36:05
One of my favorite cars in sedan form is the last 9 5 Arrow that they made.
36:11
It's just a slick looking car.
36:13
I had a buddy who bought one of those when he had his first kid and
36:16
like got it like one year old but brand new on the lot sort of thing.
36:20
stick.
36:21
And I was like, if you saw that the next two years, you better call me first.
36:24
It's a phenomenal car.
36:26
He didn't, he still has it and he still loves it, but that's a good looking car.
36:29
I will say the, this, I have worked on a lot of cars over the years and
36:33
I have never used so many expletives.
36:36
As when I work on a Swedish car, well, and it's just one of those
36:40
things that as good looking as they are and whatever, I just can't.
36:45
Right.
36:46
And it's the old ones were so easy to work on though.
36:49
Like I remember like driving somewhere with a buddy and an old 900 and like the
36:55
shift link it broke and we nursed it in third gear to some like truck stop and
37:00
bought like literally I think a string.
37:02
a couple things of bubble gum and some paper clips and we rigged up the shifter
37:06
so we could get like three or four of the gears for the rest of the way home
37:10
and we did it from inside the car like you take off one panel and you're like
37:13
there's the whole linkage we'll just fix it i mean it's so easy to work on
37:17
the problem with sobs was at that time period socialized medicine because you
37:22
got six months of time off so You didn't feel like coming in tomorrow, you didn't
37:28
come in, but Joe, who normally builds transmissions, is putting interiors in.
37:33
You know, and then Joe doesn't feel like coming in, so the guy who normally
37:38
mounts tires is building engines.
37:39
I'm trying to remember when GM sold them.
37:41
Ten years ago at this point, almost.
37:44
2009, I think, was the last year you could buy a, like, the last
37:47
model year of an actual Saab.
37:49
Saab Vegan is really high on my list of fantasy cars, though.
37:52
I think it's a, I think it's a Viggen, though.
37:55
It's, it's, it's not plant based.
37:58
Viggen.
37:59
Viggen?
37:59
Vigov?
38:01
It only, it only runs on biofuel.
38:04
You can't use regular gas.
38:07
You know, if, if you forced me to drive a station wagon,
38:11
there's, there's only one I drive.
38:13
90 95 impala ss wagon, which doesn't exist But you buy a caprice and you put all
38:19
the impala stuff on it and those cars are badass You can fit I don't know 12 of your
38:25
best friends and a keg of beer I think i think mike's got one of those too, right?
38:30
You got a favorite wagon Oh, yeah, you just take the magnum and buy a hell crate
38:34
bolt right in I I rented a magnum and With luggage in the back and there were
38:40
four of us it would wander down the road.
38:42
I it was You Yes, but how did it do it in autocross Matt?
38:47
Oh, that would that would have been the Sebring convertible.
38:50
I rented.
38:50
Thank you very much I have instructed on track in a magnum
38:54
wagon It's a big vehicle, but I'm not buying that for a track toy.
38:59
I'm buying it to put to shame to everyone with their sports cars off
39:03
the traffic light while I'm hauling four by eight sheets of plywood.
39:07
See, and that's the other upside to a wagon.
39:09
It's like the ultimate sleeper.
39:12
Especially if you don't do anything fancy, but you got something juiced
39:15
up under the hood, and you just rip off from a, from a, from a light.
39:19
It's like, did I just get pulled by a wagon?
39:23
You know, it's, it's, it's like a matter of pride, you know?
39:26
I got my door split off by a Buick Roadmaster.
39:29
Yeah, right?
39:31
I think I'm gonna kick it off here with some Crazy Town.
39:34
I'm ready.
39:34
I'm ready.
39:35
So before I get into it too crazy, I think the Buick Roadmaster is the only
39:41
Buick Harry should consider, for sure.
39:43
With a 350, a crate motor, maybe an LSX motor in there somewhere, you know.
39:48
I agree, also.
39:50
I saw a Caprice wagon, which is the equivalent, tow in a
39:53
car hauler with a Camaro on the back of it, and I was in love.
39:57
That thing was amazing.
39:58
Does he get to change, does he get to change his last name to Griswold?
40:02
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
40:03
Yeah, but you put the Impala SS stuff on it and the thing's badass.
40:07
Yeah, exactly.
40:08
So my next crazy town car is not too terribly crazy, but I mean, I
40:13
would consider it's a pair of cars.
40:15
Either the E63 wagon, Because everybody needs, you know, a 600
40:19
horsepower wagon or the RS six Avant.
40:22
I think, I think either one of those, I mean, the fact that it's
40:27
called an Avant just brings it up to that next level of prestige.
40:32
One of my employees just bought a B5 Avant S4 for 500 with.
40:39
Like 70, 000 miles on it.
40:43
The guy wanted to sell it to someone who would love the car.
40:45
This kid has been looking for the cars up and down the eastern seaboard
40:48
for the last four or five years.
40:50
He just finally got one.
40:52
It's leaking oil and fluids out of every orifice that you can
40:55
leak fluids out of, but he has it.
40:58
As I always said, most honest car ever sold, resale value right on the hood.
41:05
All right, next it's, it's been touched on, but the V90 Volvo, or if you want to
41:10
go something with bigger tires, you can do the cross country version, the V90
41:15
regular wagon, at least when it first came out had to be special ordered.
41:19
They were only bringing the cross tour, you know, to deal with a lot.
41:22
So you had to special order the, the non cross, I mean, cross country version.
41:26
Next I'm going to say a Stelvio and you'll lower it.
41:31
And you've got an alpha Romeo wagon.
41:34
I give you that.
41:35
That's a major points right there.
41:37
The two of my favorites, uh, Mitsubishi Galant VR four, if they made a wagon
41:43
version and you can get one right hand drive, I would bring one of those here.
41:47
Maybe, maybe in Japan, but I've never seen one.
41:50
Yeah.
41:51
So you'd have to bring it here.
41:52
I've seen the Evo wagon, but I haven't seen the.
41:55
Yeah.
41:56
So yeah, like an old nineties galant VR for, then I've got two more.
42:01
One, my all time favorite is the Chevy Nomad.
42:06
It's the worst looking wagon ever made because you can't put anything in it.
42:09
You can, you can put horsepower in it and that's all that matters.
42:12
Yeah, I know.
42:14
You can put all kinds of horsepower in it.
42:16
You can put a lot of stereo in it too.
42:18
And you can fit airbags in it.
42:20
That's a lot, that's a lot of stuff.
42:22
That's a lot of stuff.
42:23
You can fit a lot of things in it.
42:24
And then That's the, all the most important things
42:26
that you can fit in a wagon.
42:27
Yes, horsepower, power and stereo.
42:30
That's all you need.
42:32
And then lastly, is something semi serious.
42:34
Have you thought about a Mach E?
42:36
It's not a wagon.
42:37
It's more like a lift back and it's raised or whatever, but I think it
42:41
would give you that, that class that you're looking for, cause it's brand
42:44
new, you know, and there aren't, I mean, nobody's got them on the street and
42:49
I just, I think they're kind of cool.
42:50
Yeah, it's definitely a consideration.
42:52
We actually have.
42:53
access to the Ford fleet program, which gives us premium pricing
42:57
on all of Ford's products.
42:59
So Ford is definitely in there.
43:01
It makes everything more attractive because everything's cheaper for us.
43:04
Sure.
43:06
Not a lot cheaper.
43:06
Just, just a pinch.
43:08
Just get a wait for the VW buzz.
43:12
Really?
43:12
I'm just waiting for Peugeot to make it back to America.
43:15
So I can get the Gary Busey.
43:17
What?
43:17
So you could get a 405 station wagon like back in the 80s.
43:22
This is what I'm waiting for.
43:24
I got a Peugeot pepper grinder.
43:26
What one to match?
43:27
You could have got a model.
43:28
You could get a model X there, Harry, with the gullwing doors and all that.
43:33
Yeah, possibly, probably not, but yeah, maybe, Hey, is the, is the Reliant
43:39
Robin a wagon or is it just a hatchback?
43:42
That's a mistake.
43:45
All right.
43:45
I was going to say, I don't think Harry has any choice, but to find a crossover.
43:50
No choice.
43:50
No.
43:50
As far as my car, I'd, I'd take the wagon version of my car.
43:53
If I could, I got a 2016 SS and in Australia.
43:59
They just make one platform, apparently.
44:01
And they're like, you can get it however you want it.
44:02
You want it two doors, four doors, pickup truck, wagon.
44:06
You want it LS3 or you want it LSA with a blower.
44:09
Like, they don't care.
44:10
They'll make it for you.
44:11
So that would be probably my ultimate wagon.
44:14
But those aren't here.
44:15
And I'd say the more realistic option, the one that I've been noodling with Brad
44:18
for a while, is Find some mid sixties wagon, something like Mopar A Body, GMX
44:25
platform, something as small as possible.
44:28
Which those things were actually like curb weighted under 3, 000 pounds.
44:31
Find something with a dead six in it that I can get for 500 and
44:34
throw 30, 000 worth of parts at it.
44:37
And just have some kind of pro touring slash track something.
44:41
So, that's my fantasy wagon.
44:43
I saw A Holden HSV wagon when it was in New Zealand.
44:48
Yeah.
44:48
And I just, I just stared at it for a while.
44:51
, full size wagon.
44:52
Full send the wa the wagons I liked were from the mid seventies.
44:56
I had a, uh, I had a Chevy Kingswood wagon, full size wagon.
45:01
I paid $50 for it.
45:02
Best car I ever bought for 50 bucks.
45:05
And the coolest thing about it was.
45:07
You put the key in the, in the back, and you turned it, and if you, you
45:11
held it, uh, just a little bit, and the window went up into the roof.
45:15
If you held it, turned it further, the tailgate went into
45:18
the, uh, sunk into the body.
45:20
And it was awesome, and it had the third row, it had the third row.
45:24
We had 14 people in it one night.
45:27
You know, and it was, you couldn't hurt it.
45:30
I hit a building in Georgetown and set off the burglar alarm.
45:37
It's like that scene from Lost Bullet and you guys all were
45:40
those 14 people dead or alive.
45:43
We're not sure Next podcast has to just be stories from Matt by the way Is the title
45:50
of next week's podcast, Y'all be Yippin
45:57
We touched on all the ones that, like, I mean, we talked about, like, the
46:02
BMW 5 Series wagons when they existed, the 3 Series, which they finished
46:08
making last year or the year before.
46:12
The Volkswagens, what I like that's coming out but not going to be available here
46:18
is the Arteon Shooting Brake Volkswagen.
46:22
That's pretty.
46:23
But also along those lines with the little bit higher price range is the R6 Avant.
46:27
So, it's the same difference, I imagine.
46:30
Yeah, and I like my CTS V wagon, but then I was sad to hear that
46:34
it's actually small inside.
46:36
So So Mike, you got anything else you want to add to that?
46:40
Because I think you and I share a similar unicorn that
46:43
we would appreciate as a wagon.
46:45
I already know which one it is.
46:46
Well, I have a kind of an off the wall one that's that hasn't been made
46:50
for a few years Is basically an old school wagon that they call an suv
46:54
because of the platform, which is the ford flex Oh that was on my list.
46:59
I was gonna bring it up because a lot of guys really like the
47:02
flex I mean think of that harry.
47:04
I love the flex.
47:05
My wife said no fuck you That's actually her exact words.
47:08
You can you can go marry someone else.
47:10
I I agree.
47:11
I agree with justice That's ugly.
47:14
She said that Tim was ugly.
47:17
I agree with you.
47:18
What a smart woman you married.
47:21
Well, I mean, if you want ugly, you just get an HHR.
47:24
Is that a wagon?
47:25
I think the HHR is a wagon.
47:27
We found, we found an episode where the HHR is appropriate.
47:33
Well it is.
47:34
Then the PT Cruiser's the same thing, right?
47:36
Yeah.
47:36
So, oh my God, you're stealing 'em all.
47:38
Because the third one in that mess is the PF 500 L, all these.
47:42
Oh yeah.
47:43
These travesty Doesn't the PT Cruiser turbo share the
47:47
same motor as the SRT four?
47:48
Yes, it's the SRT four four neon.
47:50
It's a neon wagon.
47:51
And it's called the GT Cruiser.
47:54
Thank you very much.
47:55
Correct.
47:56
With sticker wood paneling.
47:57
Yes.
47:58
Man, I was gonna, I was gonna end with the HHR.
48:01
You stole my thunder, Mike.
48:03
Barry, you know, that might be the perfect car for you.
48:06
The Chevrolet Malibu Max.
48:09
Oh, I forgot about that gigantic turd.
48:12
That thing is ugly as sin.
48:17
Also, light it on fire with a candle.
48:19
Seriously, I'd rather an Aztec.
48:23
Right, I'll take two Aztecs.
48:26
And you can have that thing.
48:27
And a V Cross!
48:28
What the fuck was that thing called?
48:30
The V Cross?
48:31
The V Cross is awesome!
48:34
The Max was actually the same chassis as the Pontiac G6, even the Coupe.
48:42
Because Pontiac was doing their whole wider is better thing still.
48:46
So they were still doing their whole wider is better, so they wanted
48:48
the longer wheelbase on the G6.
48:51
So they took the Malibu Max's wheelbase rather than the
48:53
Malibu's wheelbase for the G6.
48:56
The other nice thing actually, and it's kind of the dark secret, is that
49:02
was in the period where Chevrolet was selling everything as an SS.
49:08
So you could get a Sonic SS or a Malibu Max SS.
49:13
Yes.
49:13
Cavalier SS.
49:15
What the fuck do you do with a Malibu Max SS?
49:17
I'm not sure.
49:18
It's a Cobalt and it does the quarter mile faster than a GT3.
49:25
Yeah, until you started.
49:29
Don't be talking smack about that HHR.
49:31
That is a high quality vehicle, people.
49:34
That chat went on so damn long and that was horrible.
49:37
Everything about that whole, the entire thread was horrible.
49:42
That was the era of so much SS that they made the SSR.
49:45
I've got a question for you guys.
49:49
Did they ever make the SSR?
49:50
A panos wagon.
49:52
Well, so I had to bring up the hhr because it's sitting behind brad
49:56
right now Uh, well, that's a nomad.
49:59
But yeah, oh shit He he's just fired.
50:03
He's just talking trash, but he knows not to come across my nomad But yes by
50:09
by our rules I was going to bring it in as an exception because it does have a d
50:14
pillar It is actually considered a wagon when you look it up And that's in that
50:18
2010 range along with the pt cruiser and the fiat 500 l You quickly replace that.
50:24
And if you want to be environmentally friendly, you can always go
50:27
with the Ford C Max Energy.
50:31
Oh yeah, yeah.
50:32
Is that, that's actually a wagon?
50:34
It's not a hatchback?
50:35
It is considered a wagon.
50:36
It has an extra window and a d pillar, so yes.
50:39
It's a, it's a, it's a wagon.
50:41
I think so does the Mini Clubman too, but Yeah, the Mini Clubman's a wagon as well.
50:45
I think they're done, I think they're done with Mini's.
50:47
The Clubman's actually actually, The Mini Clubman's actually, I could
50:51
lease it again until I could stay over until I could get my Bronco.
50:56
Cause the Clubman does have that D pillar, I mean, it's a pseudo wagon.
51:01
And barn doors.
51:02
I mean, my holy grail of wagons is still like a, I'd rather have like a Volvo 850R.
51:07
Yeah.
51:07
You get one of those tinted up and nice wheels and tires.
51:10
That thing is phenomenal looking brown with a manual.
51:14
Exactly.
51:15
I mean, you've got a manual, brown or that weird blue color.
51:20
The weird blue color, that's all you get money.
51:25
Like you can get the, what's the other one?
51:26
The V 70 R or something is the other one.
51:29
That's like the six speed and 300 horsepower.
51:33
They made the Camry with the dual, had the dual wipers on the back window.
51:37
Oh, I know what you're talking about.
51:39
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
51:40
That'd be great.
51:42
It looks like a hearse from behind.
51:44
It's terrible.
51:46
The Magnum looks like a hearse.
51:48
The Magnum always looks like it's always in silver or black
51:53
or some other monotone color.
51:55
Some other color.
51:57
The Magnum is actually, I think, classified as an SUV.
52:00
Because SUVs, you know, the manufacturer classifies them as SUVs.
52:04
But if the floor is it's an SUV because it's on a dodge truck platform like
52:09
every other dodge ever made No, it's on a mercedes b class platform Yeah, it's the
52:13
same as a chrysler 300 which I was gonna say you can put the 300 front clip on them
52:18
I've seen them converted over and it still looks like ass Tonya, you got something?
52:22
If we're going for Hearst like The Ghostbusters!
52:26
Well, yes, but no.
52:28
We want Hearst like and also modern within the last five years.
52:35
Lincoln M.
52:36
K.
52:37
T.
52:37
Talk about, oh God.
52:39
Like a hearse.
52:40
What the hell?
52:41
I have one of those that lives on the street behind me.
52:43
There's an older couple that has one of those.
52:45
I see it every day.
52:46
I'm trying to remember which one that was.
52:48
It's the hearse.
52:49
The hearse.
52:50
You gotta look it up.
52:50
The mark t Yeah, the MKT.
52:52
Oh, Google it.
52:53
It's, it looks like a hearse.
52:54
If it's, if it's not the hearse, it's the vehicle escorting the hearse.
52:57
Yes.
52:58
I thought that was a Feuderholm exclusive.
52:59
I didn't know you could actually buy that.
53:01
No.
53:02
I just love the, the logo.
53:03
Like the Mark T was like wedged together funny.
53:05
So it's like little M, little tiny K, the T over the top.
53:08
Like, it tried to look stylish and it's just dumb.
53:10
The best part is when you can get the Mark T Blackwood edition with the pinstriping.
53:15
Oh my god!
53:16
Like who thought that was a good idea?
53:19
Come on.
53:19
Did you did you ever see the old money man?
53:21
Old money loves that shit You need to get it with the the boston top the sort
53:25
of fabric top across the back three quarters of it Even though it's like not
53:31
That's good, right the boston top right I think that's what it's called Oh shit.
53:36
My first car was a cutlass supreme coupe That had the back half,
53:41
the back, just back over the back seat had vinyl over the roof.
53:45
Yep, Landau.
53:47
I think, I think it's called the Boston Top.
53:49
I think that's what they called it.
53:50
Oh, fuck me.
53:51
That's so good, sure.
53:53
It's, it's the Boston Top.
53:55
So the Landau Top.
53:56
The Baston.
53:58
Have you ever seen a CTS, a CTS with one of those?
54:00
Because I have.
54:01
Oh, God.
54:04
So I, you know, I, I'll let Tanya go after me.
54:07
Cause I got to steal Mike's thunder since he stole mine for the HHR, which where
54:11
we can revisit as many times as we like, uh, I, as much as I've sworn off BMWs and
54:19
there's, there's, there's two, I would.
54:21
Own in my, in my lifetime.
54:22
If, if I, you know, could find, well, one is not a wagon.
54:27
It's the Z4M coupe.
54:28
I like the Z4M coupe is something about that car, but the other one, the other
54:33
one would be that late, uh, kind of early two thousands Five series wagon.
54:40
I thought they were very handsome cars that was pre bangle getting
54:43
his hands on them and ruining them.
54:45
You know, they were still kind of classy BMW, especially in black
54:48
with some big, you know, HRE wheels or something like that.
54:51
Or even M wagon.
54:53
How nice would that be?
54:54
That would have been awesome.
54:55
Wasn't that the last time you could get, you actually could get an M5 touring?
54:59
Correct.
55:00
In that, in that style.
55:01
In that, in that, yeah, generation.
55:03
They're super rare, but they look fantastic.
55:06
You know, again, I'm not, I'm not super into BMW camp, but I would definitely
55:10
check that one off the list, Mike.
55:12
So I like, I actually like the E60 with the little cat eye taillights
55:16
that was available as a 550.
55:21
And that is basically an M5 wagon without some of the M bits.
55:25
It is a stunning car and I always loved one.
55:28
But there is one car if literally money was no object and I had
55:33
all the time in the world to turn wrenches on it with spare engines
55:36
and parts and everything else.
55:37
Can I steal your thunder?
55:38
I'm going to steal your thunder.
55:39
I get my thunder stolen all the time.
55:43
Go ahead.
55:44
No, go ahead.
55:45
The Passat W8 Wagon?
55:48
Yeah, with six speed and all wheel drive.
55:50
You better believe it.
55:52
I looked for one.
55:53
I looked pretty hard because I was going to get that instead of the Golf Estate.
55:56
I just think those cars are super cool.
55:58
I don't mind 4 liter W8.
56:00
If it blows up, you put a 4.
56:01
2 Audi motor in its place, it bolts right up.
56:03
You know, it is two VRs together.
56:05
You know, that motor sounds odd.
56:07
And it's just it's cool.
56:08
It's different.
56:09
It's very subdued and in the right color scheme with the right
56:12
wheels It's a very attractive car.
56:14
So I don't know that that's just me I I guess I like euros and and i'm sure
56:17
tanya'll back me up on this you go Travel in europe enough, especially over the
56:21
last decade Wagons were everywhere.
56:24
It was the hot commodity.
56:26
It was the thing that everybody had And all diesel Yeah, and if you didn't
56:31
have a wagon, you had a hatchback.
56:32
I mean, a sedan and especially SUVs, that was not a thing.
56:36
Even recently that like my dad was over there with, on a trip with my parents
56:40
with other set of parents and they had rented a Tiguan with the diesel and a six
56:44
speed, and my dad was, would kill for one.
56:48
He came home and he's like, why can't I have a car that gets.
56:51
40 miles to the gallon, perfectly drives up hills all over the place,
56:54
easily fits four adults with all the luggage in the world, and was awesome.
56:58
Because it kills people, allegedly.
57:00
Yeah, but he, he was like, I wish they would sell it over here.
57:03
Instead he bought the final generation Forester that you could get with a stick.
57:08
So he has a six speed Forester that he loves.
57:10
He's driven it down to Florida and back up.
57:12
He lives in Massachusetts.
57:13
So he loves his Forester wagon, but he bought like, the final year he could
57:16
get a stick on it is what he bought.
57:18
That one.
57:19
Because he refuses to ever own a car that has an automatic.
57:21
So only manuals for him.
57:23
Good.
57:24
Good.
57:24
He's got an A4 manual, like a newish A4 manual on the Forester, and then
57:28
he has his 1989 11SC from Europe.
57:32
So Tanya, do you have anything you want to add in there?
57:34
Wagon you would own?
57:35
Just like a fantasy thing?
57:37
Well, first of all, I already own a wagon.
57:40
It just doesn't have a D pillar.
57:44
That's kidding.
57:45
I've got a Golf.
57:47
But I want to mention a terrible wagon, just for the fun of it.
57:51
The HHR.
57:52
No, I'm going to go further back in time and suggest that
57:57
the Plymouth Reliant Wagon.
58:01
Oh, come on, what's wrong with the Plymouth Reliant?
58:04
Definite choice on anybody's wagon list.
58:06
Let's not forget that.
58:07
Low blow.
58:08
Dishonorable mention right there.
58:11
But if, I mean, I, Yes, but was it used by a Florida man?
58:16
Probably.
58:17
Let's be real.
58:17
Next week there's going to be something.
58:21
The Saab, the Aero that I mentioned earlier, I mean, that's
58:25
beautiful, honestly, as a wagon.
58:27
I would very much enjoy that car.
58:31
I would also very much enjoy a 2000s vintage RS4 wagon.
58:38
I particularly like that RS4.
58:41
Style of the A4s and S4s and done well or done right with the correct body
58:47
package and wheel choice, et cetera.
58:50
I mean, to me, they're very good looking.
58:53
If I was buying today and what's currently available the last couple
58:57
of years, I, I don't, I don't know.
59:01
I'd probably go look or an Audi, but I don't know for Harry.
59:08
I'm leaning towards the idea of just keep the Mini and wait for the Bronco to
59:11
come out is probably the right decision.
59:13
Dream Wagon, I want like Tomas I believe Rob is talking about the A6 Allroad with
59:19
like 1500 horsepower that, that can get through half a session on track before
59:24
it overheats and needs to come off.
59:26
But in that half a session, no one can keep up with it.
59:28
I mean, he's exactly fair, but That thing just hauls.
59:33
That thing is a freaking rocket ship and sounds amazing at full chat and you got
59:39
to get rid of the doll back stickers to get some level of sort of sleeperville.
59:43
But that thing is just on a different planet of awesome.
59:46
Well, with that, let's get back to what do we think?
59:50
What do we think Harry should buy, right?
59:52
That is the premise of this particular episode.
59:54
What should I buy?
59:56
So what are we thinking for Harry?
59:57
Do we have a vote?
59:58
I mean, just we'll go around the horn real fast and just knee jerk.
1:00:01
What do you think he should buy?
1:00:02
All right, let's start with Mike.
1:00:03
Uh, I mean, if he's sticking wagon, I'd still say Torex.
1:00:07
Chrissy?
1:00:08
Matt?
1:00:10
The Regal is probably the way to go.
1:00:14
If it's new, it's gotta be the Regal.
1:00:16
If it's old, go Saab.
1:00:19
GMs aren't that bad.
1:00:20
So yeah, the Regal.
1:00:22
A crossover.
1:00:24
You have to be a wagon.
1:00:25
Fine.
1:00:26
I would go seriously consider the Buick.
1:00:29
I'm gonna go with the A4 Allroad.
1:00:32
I'm the oddball out.
1:00:33
And then Brad.
1:00:35
Uh, if it's old, I'm going Chevy Nomad.
1:00:38
If it's new, I'm going Stelvio lowered.
1:00:42
Because you got to be a true petrol head at some point in your life.
1:00:44
Exactly.
1:00:45
Well, he's already got an alpha.
1:00:46
He's already got an alpha now.
1:00:47
Yeah, he doesn't need that.
1:00:48
I have an alpha.
1:00:49
He's already got that.
1:00:50
He needs an alpha that doesn't run on Monday and an alpha
1:00:53
that doesn't run on Tuesday.
1:00:54
Nice.
1:00:55
So Harry, is there anything else, anything else you want to talk about?
1:00:58
No, I think you guys hit everything, uh, way more thorough
1:01:02
than I thought you were going to.
1:01:03
This was nice.
1:01:04
Well, very good.
1:01:05
I, I'm definitely going to look at the Buick Regal.
1:01:07
I have not seen it yet.
1:01:09
It was in the leader house just because.
1:01:12
It fit all my criterias, being a wagon, and that's what I wanted.
1:01:16
I didn't want to own an SUV.
1:01:18
And the listeners are going to tune in next time when we can
1:01:21
hear all about Harry's new HHR.
1:01:24
And on that utter disappointment, I think it's time.
1:01:29
It's time to end.
1:01:31
So thank you all so much for joining us tonight.
1:01:34
I hope the listeners out there enjoyed it.
1:01:36
We never really do come to a decision or a consensus.
1:01:39
I think this is the closest we've ever gotten.
1:01:42
And I guess Harry, the answer is Buick.
1:01:44
So let us know how that goes.
1:01:45
Roadmaster.
1:01:46
I'll let you know how the Buick is.
1:01:47
I'm going to go lease one tomorrow.
1:01:48
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