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S3 E11: Let's Get Defensive · Nickel City Crew Podcast

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  We're so glad that you're joining us for some of your Buffalo Bills and NFL
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  content again today and as always, these on My Bills thoughts set out loud.
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  It's a vibe so ridiculous to destroy place anything was sick. Where else
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  would you like to be? All right, let's get straight to it.
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  I am real excited about tonight's episode. As always, a lot has been
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  going on with the Bills, and you know they're in camp and they are
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  off today. I know these episodes will release on Thursday morning, but we're
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  recording them on Wednesday, and they took the day off so that we're back
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  at Saint John Fisher tomorrow on Thursday for another practice, and it's it's interesting
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  because the pads get on and then you get a chance to kind of evaluate
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  some of the offensive and defensive linemen. And I heard about the right guard
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  battle and it's really a battle that they were talking about. And it's interesting
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  because we talked about it last week when we cover the offense, tonight is
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  all about the defense. Joining me tonight as always my co host Adam dump
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  c z y K. How Let the crew DT, what's good Man?
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  How let the crew Nicol City? What's up? Rob? They used to
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  say defense wins championships. I think, yeah, we all agree we're getting
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  away from that mantra, but still need a good deal to win in this
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  league. And I'm excited to get in and talk about this deed. There's
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  a lot of fools we can get into tonight. And you know, as
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  as we were kind of talking Prey Show, so excited about this. It's
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  a it's a deep defense. We got, we got coach coming over,
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  so looking forward to it. Let's defense doesn't win championships anymore, but still
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  gotta be good. So let's right, yeah, I mean it's still gotta
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  be good for sure. It's gotta be good when you need it. Um.
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  And that's been one of the things about the Bills um as they've been
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  approaching some of these playoff games and things like that, is making sure that
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  the defense is is keeping points off the board. You know that that shootout
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  that they had with Kansas City that we all remember in that divisional round a
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  couple of years ago, that was a shootout. The defense really didn't really
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  show up that day for either team. So it's been really interesting to look
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  at the defense. One of the most interesting things about it, and you
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  kind of alluded to a DT, is our head coach Sean McDermott coming back
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  to his roots so to speak. He was, of course defensive coordinator.
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  Um. He learned at the feet of the late Jim Johnson in Philadelphia,
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  and you know, Jim Johnson's a legend to be honest and known for his
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  exotic blitz and complex schemes. Excuse me, so um. He went on
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  to there to Carolina down here where I'm at in Charlotte and ran the defense
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  and ran one of the better defenses you know in the last you know decade
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  or so with the Carolina Panthers, a team that went to the Super Bowl
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  fifteen and one, and uh yeah, Josh Norman on that defense and they
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  created a lot of turnovers and McDermott kind of made his made his bones DT.
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  He kind of came up with that reputation and really built his resume for
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  being a head coach was basic. You know, it was based on those
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  years. To be honest with line. Obviously he was with Brandon being down
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  here because Brandon Bean was an assistant GM as well. But you know,
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  Sean McDermott cut his teeth on the defensive side of the football. We're going
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  to talk about how he got to this, but you know, one of
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  the interesting things is that, you know Leslie Frasier, who we've always been
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  a big proponent of on this show and have always supported, when he was
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  catching a lot of shit towards the end of his tenure. It was a
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  situation where Michael Lombardi reported DT that you know, him and McDermott didn't see
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  eye to eye. There's always been a little bit of you know, mystery
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  around thirteen seconds and who called what and who was in control of what,
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  and we've kind of dissected some of that, but Michael Lombardi reported that it
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  was McDermott that took over for thirteen seconds, and you know, it was
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  the fact that he was, you know, not really happy with the defense
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  or he wasn't really happy with some of the play calls, and then he
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  informed Leslie Frasier that coming into twenty twenty three, he wasn't going to be
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  making the calls anymore. He wasn't going to be making the calls for the
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  defense, and Leslie Fraisier bounced. It was a situation where maybe they didn't
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  see eye to eye leading back for a couple of years now, but we
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  saw against Cincinnati some of those same things that we saw with the you know,
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  Kansas City games. So I know a lot of people wanted to throw
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  dirt on Leslie Frasier. We've tried to defend him, but if it is
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  true that you know, it was Sean McDermott that called thirteen seconds, and
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  it was you know, Sean McDermott's baby, Like we've always thought, I've
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  always wondered if it's going to look different. So from your seat, DT,
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  do you think that this defense is going to look a lot different.
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  I've been hearing a lot about Sean McDermott and his aggressiveness, and I'm wondering
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  what you think about it, because before we get into the positional battles and
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  the position by position breakdown of the defense, first it starts with the actual
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  blay caller. And is this guy going to be more aggressive? Is he
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  going to be that much different than the defense we've been seeing? Leslie Frasier,
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  I'm really interested to see what you think about it. Yeah, with
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  Leslie, you know you're two kind of old conservative minds in that defensive field,
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  right, So would you say almost too many cooks in the kitchen,
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  Rob right like you to kind of have the same mantra. You know,
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  tradition and technique can build the caliber and you know some office yeah, bend
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  up, what don't break? Come off as conservative. I don't know where
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  all this stuff is coming that he's a super aggressive coach, because everything we've
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  seen has kind of led us to believe opposite, right, and we've we've
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  dug into the thirteen seconds the Bengals game last year. All these all these
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  games of wasn't Leslie Fraser, wasn't McDermott, And and we go back to,
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  well, who's the headball coach, who's who's signed not signing the checks
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  but making the final call if you will, and if I agree, you
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  got to you gotta put that on Sean McDermott in that case, because he
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  has preached that the whole time. He's built this culture right on that of
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  you know, trust, the process and all that type of stuff. So
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  he I everything makes me believe he's not going to be aggressive. I think,
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  you know, this defense is something to be reckoned with. As since
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  mcdermot's been here, the Bills have been a top tier, you know defense
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  under his reign. It's just been kind of some coaching flaws later in the
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  year, and you know when you get into the playoffs, but they're getting
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  wins, they're holding teams you know below points. Before Josh Allen was Josh
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  Allen, they were winning games, you know, twenty to fifteen, twenty
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  and fourteen, they were teams weren't even sniffing twenty on this McDermott team.
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  So it's it's gonna be interesting. I it's I'd like to see it more
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  aggressive. Everyone does right, Everyone to see the blitz is the big hits,
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  the you know, the the strong, hardcore defense. But as I
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  stayed in the opening, rob it's it's not a defensive league anymore. The
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  Eagles were probably one of the best defenses they've seen since the eighty five Bears
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  on statistically last year, and they got busted, you know, for for
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  forty plus in the Super Bowl. So it's it's not a hidden factor that
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  you know, they're the good teams are going to score points in this league.
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  Sean mcdermot's done a good job of kind of mean, defensive minded and
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  having a top tier defense. But I call bs on that he's going to
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  be more aggressive because everything we've seen and if it was his call, and
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  if he was kind of he's not hiring Leslie Frasier and coming in if they
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  don't have similar mindsets and what they're looking at either, it's not like they
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  would, you know, he hire a completely opposite guy, Leslie Frasier.
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  So everything leads me to believe he's not going to be that much more aggressive,
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  But maybe he has some ideas we haven't seen. That was kind of,
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  you know, he didn't have time or he didn't he didn't get to
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  get out because he did have to go to all sides of the team.
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  Now he can focus on the defense and be a little more creative. So
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  it'll be interesting. Um, you know, we we we talked about being
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  critical and we've been probably the most critical McDermott out at anybody. Amials stand
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  behind that and you know, as you mentioned where to hide, and I'm
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  sure we'll get into that as well tonight. But everything leads me to believe
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  he's not going to be more aggressive. Yeah, I mean it's interesting because
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  it's, um, it's one of those things where it's hard to it's hard
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  to separate, you know, the two. It's almost like, um,
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  you know, they're almost been married at the hip. And that's kind of
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  how I've been doing this whole little tenure because I think that you know,
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  Frasier was here when McDermot got here, you know what I mean, He's
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  been kind of a part of this whole. You know, like you talked
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  about the culture and you know, trust the process, all those different types
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  of monikers. But you know, the but don't break philosophy has kind of
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  been something that has you know, it's been consistent for the team number one
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  and then number two. It's worked. I mean Leslie Fraser's record with this
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  defense, dvor I mean, however, you want to splice at DVOA points,
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  which obviously is king for a defense any way you slice it. This
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  has been a top five defense and has been sustained since you know, Sean
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  McDermott has been here. Obviously he fixed up rex Ryan's mess and switched us
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  back to a four to three, and then after that it was really more
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  you see the Bills and Nickel almost you know, seventy five eighty percent of
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  the time, and it was you know, we're not going to get beat
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  over the top. They don't give up big plays. They don't give up
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  long yardage plays. There's very rare. I mean you can almost count them
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  on one or two hands. Over the tenure of those big bust out plays,
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  you know, I think about Dalvin Cook or something like that, or
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  Jonathan Taylor for a big bust out or even Damian Harris who we have now.
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  But you don't get a lot of big seventy yard plays on this defense.
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  And you're definitely not going over the top with those safeties. So it
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  for me. I've struggled with separating the two because I understand that I understand
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  that they might be different in philosophy, but you kind of spoke to you
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  stole my thunder DT like he is not going to hire somebody that is completely
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  opposite of what he thinks for his philosophy. Otherwise you're just setting yourself up
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  for failures and more headbutting throughout your tenure. I think that they're a little
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  bit closer than what people might have thought and I and it's just the magnitude
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  of the situation. I mean, those are big games. That's a divisional
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  round, a chance to go host Cincinnati for the AFC Championship, and then
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  last year in the divisional round you got at home. I mean, those
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  are big, high stakes, high pressure situations. So at that point I
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  can understand somebody, you know, having a difference of opinion. And what
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  we've always talked about here and you spoke to a DT, was that,
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  you know, I want Sean McDermott to pull rank. I want him to
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  if he saw something that he didn't like, then I wanted him to do
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  exactly what you know Mike Lombardi is talking about. If that's really the case.
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  In thirteen seconds, if he pulled rank and he wanted to call the
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  last couple plays, that's fine. You know, you still still the end
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  result of the shitty You gave up a field goal that you couldn't give up.
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  You were backed up and prevent defense when they had timeouts. You're acting
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  like you were, you know, preparing to defend against a touchdown when all
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  they needed to get was about fifty or fifty five yards to get in field
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  goal range. So for me, I have a tough time separating Fraser and
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  McDermott. But one good thing about this year of anything is that you can't
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  hide anymore. And I will give him credit on that. DT. I
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  know that you've talked about how critical we've been, and I'm definitely one of
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  his biggest critics. But I do have to respect him, you know,
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  DT, because of the fact that he really is putting the pressure on himself.
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  I mean, at this point in time, there is nowhere else to
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  look. I know that they've got Eric Washington in there as an assistant coach.
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  I know they've got a couple other guys that he brought in as well
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  to kind of help out with the scheme in the system. But this is
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  Sean McDermott's system. It's his baby, and at this point he really has
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  removed all other excuses. At this point in time, there's nothing, there's
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  not going to be anywhere for him to hide and say all this was Leslie's
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  fault or somebody else's faults. He's kind of taken the bull by the horns
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  and it's going to be on him in our i mean both of our jobs
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  round probably we you know, we're in leadership roles, and we get to
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  a point where if push comes to shove, we're going to get up on
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  the mic and say, you know, I'm the leader, that it was
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  my fault. You know, I'll take responsibility for it. But there's also
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  a silent satisfaction there as well, when when you're when things are getting blown
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  up in these playoff games and not all the fingers are pointing at Sean McDermott,
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  and he's not going to be the first one, you know, to
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  say, hold up, hold up, point those fingers at me. He
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  wasn't saying stuff like that, like I'll give him credit. He'll stand up
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  when when he needs to. But there's a quietness about like, oh,
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  it wasn't all on me, so it can kind of be a scapegoat for
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  Leslie Fraser. So you said it, you said it. Great, Like
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  he got rid of that scapegoat if you will, So there is nowhere to
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  hide and he knows that you know more than anybody. So he's taking it
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  on. You would think he has confidence to take it on because the debate
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  of you know, is he good with just being okay? You know,
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  is he good with just making it to the playoffs and going into that,
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  Well, if he's making this jump to be the defensive coordinator, he's kind
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  of taking that that shield away from him and saying like I am good enough
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  to do this, so that it's gonna be interesting because there I don't think
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  he's a type of guy that is like goes to the scapegoats but silently.
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  You know, it's human nature to like somebody to take the blame and you're
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  not going to stand up and say anything. You'll kind of let it roll
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  by. So him going in taking the shield away that also shows confidence,
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  which kind of gets me pumped up for that situation because it's like, if
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  he is confident to go in and say fuck it, um, defense is
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  all mine. Let's roll. You would hope you see, you know,
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  some results from that. Yeah, And I think that that's one of the
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  key things to it DT, to be honest, is that there's not there's
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  not you know, many floors up to go. You know, the defense
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  has been so solid under Fraser and McDermott that there's not many more runs for
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  them to to you know, to actually achieve. So it's going to be
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  interesting. It's more of a situation where you've got to maintain and one of
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  the hardest things to do in this passing league now is maintain defense from year
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  to year. That's again, one of the feathers in the cap for Leslie
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  Frasier, in my opinion, is is how he had fielded a consistent top
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  five, top three defense and dboa points allowed. All of the other metrics
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  that really matter are now. You know, certain years they'll say that we
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  played you know, shitty quarterbacks and other This year, there's really you know,
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  the schedules stacked quarterbacks galore. You've got competition throughout the AFC, You've
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  got competition throughout that schedule, up and down. So it'll be a situation
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  where literally there's nowhere to hide. I know we did an episode on that,
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  so we'll get to the defense. But it's gonna be very interesting.
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  I'm I'm excited because I want him to be under the spotlight. I do
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  blame him for a lot of the missteps through these last three playoff losses,
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  and it'll be interesting to kind of just focus in on him because this is
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  what he does. So if this is what you do, you're absolutely right.
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  You take over the reins. You say, hey, this is my
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  show. I have enough competence in myself. This is how I got the
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  job to begin with, was being a defensive coordinator. So this is definitely,
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  if nothing else, something in a role that he should be comfortable in.
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  Now as we transition to the you know, team, go ahead,
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  noll, I was just gonna say, and that's kind of I don't want
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  to get too far away from the defense. It's a defense show tonight.
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  But it also showed a lot of confidence on the offensive side of the ball,
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  and a lot of confidence in seventeen and Ken Dorsey to say, all
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  right, screw it, you gotta talk about the parents. So it also
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  shows that he's comfortable enough with this offense and seeing the growth and believes that
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  Josh has taken that next step to kind of run his own offense, to
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  go over and kind of neglect if he will um the offensive side of the
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  ball, so that that might be something to be excited for it too.
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  Yeah. Oh no, he's gonna be wrapped up in the defense, if
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  you know, for people that have been wondering if if McDermot. I heard
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  it on WGR last week, and you know, some fans are concerned that
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  will be able to handle both duties and different things like that. I think
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  that, you know, it speaks to your point. I think he's kind
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  of gonna let the offense do their thing. I'm sure he's got somebody for
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  four thounds that will begin his ear helping him out with situations and you know,
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  win probability and you know down at distance and shouldn't we go for it?
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  Um. But other than that, I think he's gonna be wrapped up
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  with his defense. I don't expect to see him focusing in too much on
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  the offense. Now, maybe that's just me being naive, but I think
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  that when the offense is on the field, I think he's going to be
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  schematically especially in those big games against the Mahomes is in the borough. He's
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  going to be making sure that him and his defense are on the same page
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  so that that way they can attack those offenses to the best of their ability.
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  Now, how will they attack those offenses, Just like we did last
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  week with the offense, we will start from the trenches on out. I
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  love starting from the trenches on out and this defensive line DT it is.
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  It's interesting because one of the things that Brandon being that I will give him
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  total credit for and I know that justice that I had gotten into it a
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  little bit last week at the end of the show. But Brandon b hasn't
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  been perfect. But what he has done is he's done a great job of
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  identifying talent on the free agency wire, on the free agency market and brings
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  in guys. So defensively this year, we had no defensive tackles on the
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  roster past twenty twenty three that were signed outside of you know, the actual
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  fifth year option for at Oliver. What does he do? He goes and
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  he gives Oliver a brand new, you know, extension, and we were
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  kind of looking at it and we talked about on the show, like what
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  the hell's going on? And we were wondering what's happening, But he locked
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  him the guy that he thought is going to be somebody that can be a
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  mainstay for that defensive tackle group for years to come. Then he augments it
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  with, you know, making sure that he brought back Tim Settle on another
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  deal, brings in Poota Ford DT your boy to Kwan Jones, who was
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  sorely missed in that Cincinnati game. It was like a gaping hole in the
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  middle of that defense. He was definitely missed. You notice it on the
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  field. He brings back Shack Lawson. I mean, there's a lot of
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  defensive tackles specifically, you know, just that it's interesting because he continues to
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  reload. I know that Jordan Phillips is hurt, but he'll be back as
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  well. Like he's got some dts in that room, whether they're side passed
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  this year or not. Outside at Oliver, the defensive tackle room looks kind
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  of nice. Like I'm very interested to see the kind of penetration that they
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  can provide because I think that can be disruptive. Man Like I like Poona
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  Ford, I like some of his tape. I like Tim Settle in the
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  energy that he brings and I definitely like your boy to Kwan Jones, like
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  we missed him so much last year. It was it was, it was
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  glaring. Yeah, And just like what we were talking about last week,
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  Robin, it's a common thing on the defense of deeper, deep, deeper
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  everywhere. You know, as we go through the roster tonight, it's going
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  to be deeper. And Being's done a great job of making this defensive line,
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  you know, deeper. It's I was kind of excited that nobody was
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  on contract this year to kind of force that, you know, play for
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  your life type vitality you know out here, like literally like it's a you
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  know, roll roll the ball out. Whoever dog fight, whoever wins it
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  is gonna get paid and stay a buffalo bill whoever doesn't deserve it, you
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  know, see it. So I was kind of excited for that. I'd
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  like, I'd like it that it was at Oliver, you know, a
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  draft prospect, somebody who's it has shown signs of being a dominant you know,
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  pat the interior defensive linemen in this league. And and as you go
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  out, you know, obviously I got I got love from ninety ninety two,
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  my boy clad Jones, who was a huge stuff last year and had
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  crucial game after crucial game. These guys aren't going to have the you know,
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  have the stats, have to have the lore of you know that you're
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  going to see on the stat sheet, but you can visually see it during
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  the game, and nobody can run against us. What I'd like to see
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  the difference this year is that interior pressure too. You know, you're playing
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  a lot a lot of these good quarterbacks you're gonna play this year, the
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  Aaron Rodgers, the two Us, the Joe Burrows. They get that ball
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  out quick, Rob, you know, and so to be able to you
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  you're sometimes it's a lot harder to get it from the edges. We'll get
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  into the edge next. But you got to start building pressure from the middle
• 19:17
  and causing sacks from the middle. And with this rotation, these guys are
• 19:19
  gonna be fresh. They're gonna be able to stay, stay true, stay
• 19:22
  in it. I ad Aliverer needs to take this leadership role as he got
• 19:26
  the bag and lead this this of all of really veterans, but a lot
• 19:30
  of dogs on this defensive line. Rob. I I like the urgency.
• 19:33
  I kind of like the way this has changed over the last couple of years
• 19:36
  of you know, somewhere where the Bills really never got any pressure on the
• 19:40
  defensive line, and we're just kind of, you know, fundamentally sound now
• 19:42
  that they got a little bit of a more of a main streak to him
• 19:45
  and a little bit more of a grit to him. I love punafod that
• 19:48
  big belly energy. I can only Emaedine if history repeats itself as he you
• 19:55
  know, uh, Sam Adams going going fix six against the Patriots. We
• 20:00
  quale the other day. Yeah, yeah, let's go, you know,
• 20:03
  so rub the belly get it going. I think the Quan Jones at the
• 20:06
  end of his career now when he wants to, it's all about winning the
• 20:08
  Super Bowl in his eyes, I believe, and you know that's that's what
• 20:11
  it is with a lot of these veteran guys. Jordan Phillips is literally came
• 20:15
  back out of the realm to come back to Buffalo and finish his career here.
• 20:21
  And you know, Pune Afford fighting for fighting for another contract, fighting
• 20:23
  for another opportunity, being younger. So it's going to be interesting to see
• 20:27
  top to bottom. There's only I think potential anywhere like you don't really have
• 20:32
  a doubt for anybody. Like he had a bad year last year. I
• 20:34
  will see what happens. Like maybe you could say that about Tim Settle a
• 20:38
  little bit that he didn't you know, what kind of potential did he have
• 20:41
  coming in here? He was kind of quiet. He was just a younger
• 20:45
  like type of guy. So it's not like he didn't have way way under
• 20:48
  exactly, he didn't play way under his expectations. So if you look across
• 20:52
  this defensive line, there's really not a single player where you're like a little
• 20:56
  half and half on. You're pretty much all in on. Everybody would what
• 21:00
  more can he ask? Were there? So you gotta have that mean streak.
• 21:03
  You got to build that interior pressure. We'll get into the outside Russia
• 21:06
  what I think a little philosophy I might think might start happening here as we
• 21:11
  go to help that interior offensive line. But but we'll see, Yeah,
• 21:15
  I mean, and one thing that we do know about quarterbacks, it doesn't
• 21:18
  matter from the best ones from Brady and Manning to even the ones that like
• 21:22
  to run around. No quarterback likes pressure in his face. It disrupts the
• 21:26
  timing of the routes. It disrupts the timing of whatever you've got going on.
• 21:30
  It doesn't matter if it's run play or pass play. Quarterbacks do not
• 21:34
  like pressure right in their face. It takes the play action game out.
• 21:38
  It just does a lot. And we can, you know, always point
• 21:41
  back to those Giants teams back in the day that beat Brady and all that,
• 21:45
  you know, pressure from from the interior and OC on the edge and
• 21:48
  all these guys come around justin tuck on the edge, But it was those
• 21:51
  guys in the middle um disrupting things for you know, those offensive lines that
• 21:55
  really it just makes a huge difference now as you flanker out to the edges.
• 22:00
  We know about von Miller. We know that he's one of the most
• 22:03
  optimistic guys you know walking earth right now. Likes to speak things into existence
• 22:07
  on the same way he thinks that he's going to be back week one.
• 22:10
  We don't know. I know that he put a cap on it said,
• 22:12
  you know, no later than week six. Let's assume that when we get
• 22:15
  ready for Monday night football against the Jets, that he is not there.
• 22:18
  Just for the purposes of our conversation tonight, right, yeahh I think that
• 22:22
  that's the safe block. I like Leonard Floyd, Okay, I mean yes,
• 22:26
  A lot of people say, well we could have had d Hop.
• 22:29
  Yes, I would have liked d Hop more than Leonard Floyd. However,
• 22:32
  it doesn't matter. You can't cry over spilled milk. We didn't get d
• 22:34
  Hop for whatever reason. They weren't going to pay the money, and that's
• 22:37
  fine. Leonard Floyd is a nice Constellation Prize. He is a nice player.
• 22:41
  We talked about him when he was signed. He's got three straight years
• 22:44
  of nine sacks or over him on the other side of Gregor. So it's
• 22:48
  interesting, man. I think that Floyd can be that stop gap for von
• 22:52
  Miller until he gets back healthy. I think that that it actually affords them
• 22:55
  the opportunity not to rush Von back where they feel like they have to get
• 22:59
  him back in a week five or weeks six, you know, even if
• 23:00
  he's taken a little bit more time. I think that getting Von back ready
• 23:04
  for the prime run. You heard Brandon being talked about it as well.
• 23:07
  They're going to be slow playing hit with him as well as much as they
• 23:10
  can. I know, he's almost like a dog on a leash. It's
• 23:11
  hard to keep him off off that field. But until then, I think
• 23:17
  Lendon Floyd could kind of be that stop cap and and actually provide something for
• 23:19
  this this defensive end group opposite gregor Soil, there might be might be what
• 23:23
  the doctor organ Man is no no slipoffs, and we're going to talk about
• 23:26
  the other defensive ends of the minute. But you know, you don't get
• 23:30
  much of a slippage common theme deep deep deep, And this just adds adds
• 23:33
  another ass excuse me, adds another aspect to it. I mean this when
• 23:38
  von Miller, it's tough to get pressure. Bills haven't got pressure. Bills
• 23:42
  haven't got pressure. Von Miller comes, We're finally getting pressure. Von Miller
• 23:45
  goes out. Last year, Rob, I mean it's we didn't get pressure,
• 23:48
  you know, so um and that's it's a lot to ask of a
• 23:53
  second year man and Rousseau and who's just kind of coming into his own who
• 23:56
  has I think a huge high ceiling but just as there yet. So he
• 24:00
  needs to learn under and have that comfortability and not have to be that guy.
• 24:04
  I think this year, you know, coming in opposite of Leonard Floyd,
• 24:07
  they're gonna have to really, you know, buck up for for that
• 24:10
  start of the year. Because I think it falls off pretty significantly after them,
• 24:14
  So um with that once von Lillard does come back. Though, what
• 24:18
  I was talking about earlier, I like the idea of Greg Russo kind of
• 24:21
  moving a little more into the middle of doing what he get in Miami.
• 24:23
  And then we rolled into like I said, these little exactly Joe Burrow,
• 24:30
  Toua, all these dudes that get this ball out quick. You get a
• 24:33
  you know six what is he six seven, six eight guy in the middle
• 24:37
  with his hands up, You're you're not throwing that slant route to the tight
• 24:41
  end as easy, you know, as it was, And and that'll allow
• 24:44
  him to eat more and he doesn't have to beat the best tackles in the
• 24:47
  game on the outside as much. And I'm not saying he goes in there
• 24:48
  full time. I just saying it's a nice little fold it could be to
• 24:52
  this Bill's defense. So Leonard Flourd's gotta show out. Leonard Floyd's gotta be
• 24:56
  you know who he is. We need ten sacks out of him when he
• 24:59
  grew so, you know, take that level up too. Because as much
• 25:02
  as we want to be optimistic with Bond Miller and I think it's a little
• 25:04
  different story than Trey White was last year, different positions, different speed tracks.
• 25:08
  But you know, we we were optimistic to Trey White and then he
• 25:11
  kind of you know, piddled out and came back and wasn't who he was,
• 25:15
  wasn't going through this, you know. But you gotta air on the
• 25:19
  side of caution that he if he doesn't come back and he's not the dominant
• 25:22
  forty that we're used to, that Leonard Floyd can pick up those scraps.
• 25:26
  So we need ten from him. It's it's it's a necessity to be successful
• 25:30
  this year. And I'm not putting a number on Greg orus So yet,
• 25:33
  but you need ten plus from Leonard Floyd, no matter if bonds back full
• 25:37
  go or not. Yeah, I think that that would would be something that
• 25:40
  would be welcomed, you know, because, um, it's interesting. You
• 25:42
  know, I like Greg Russeau and I like his upside um and I know
• 25:47
  I wrote it down in the notes and we had talked about it as well.
• 25:49
  Like Greg Russo to me, has is a kind of a guy that
• 25:52
  has like so much potential that you almost get enamored with it. Like you
• 25:56
  see him get off the plus. Yeah, he looks like a maddened character,
• 26:00
  like a created character that you would make like he looks, he looks
• 26:02
  the part. He is still learning. I know that he had some flashes
• 26:06
  early on in his rookie year, and then last year was kind of just
• 26:07
  you know, it was steady. It wasn't anything crazy, there was nothing.
• 26:11
  He wasn't a liability. No, he was not a liability. I'll
• 26:14
  give you that for that. But but now what I would like to see
• 26:17
  is for him, he's got a chance really to set the archifict's career this
• 26:19
  year. If he can actually take it up another level, he's got a
• 26:23
  chance to really, you know, go on to another trajectory. And I'm
• 26:26
  interested to see if he's got that in him, because he definitely everything physically
• 26:30
  looks like it's there the length, like you talked about, you know,
• 26:33
  disruptive. You know, he's got a little bit of bend. He's got
• 26:37
  power as well as speed. And it's kind of a situation where it's I'm
• 26:41
  looking for everything to kind of come together for him, for everything to kind
• 26:42
  of make sense for him on the field, and maybe the game will slow
• 26:45
  down a little bit for him because he's got all the potential. It seems
• 26:48
  like with the actual athletic traits. But you know he hasn't you said it
• 26:52
  right, He hasn't quite put it all together yet. So it'll be interesting
• 26:56
  now as we round out the defensive end group. Man, I am sorry.
• 27:00
  I don't know how they're doing on the rosters. I don't know what
• 27:02
  the roster breakdown is and how many positions and numbers and stuff like that.
• 27:07
  I know one thing is for sure. Two things are for certain, aj
• 27:10
  Epanessa and Boogie Basham. It is time for them to step up and show
• 27:14
  some type of contributions. So I don't know if they'll be on this team
• 27:17
  next year. And that's just playing simple. I just I don't know,
• 27:21
  man. I mean, I have not seen anything from from from Boogie Basham.
• 27:25
  I really haven't. I know he made a play last year or something
• 27:26
  like that. He had a sack or something like a strip sack. I
• 27:30
  haven't seen much from him. Aj Epanessa. I know that you know,
• 27:32
  Justice talked about how he changed his body. The bills made Listen. I
• 27:34
  don't care if listen. You gotta produce, man, this is professional sports.
• 27:38
  This is a you know, this is a big time like you've got
• 27:41
  to produce. I haven't seen much from those guys, and I'll be honest,
• 27:45
  man, I don't know if they'll be back, if we're going to
• 27:47
  get the same type of production, because it just hasn't been much DT from
• 27:49
  that endy. I mean, you say they won't be on him next year
• 27:52
  if they don't produce rob they might. I mean it's it's a lot of
• 27:56
  spots to fill in two weeks, you know. Yeah, that's why I
• 28:00
  don't know the breakdowns. It might be this year, it might be this
• 28:03
  year, you know. I think it truthfully, in my eyes, it's
• 28:06
  one or the other. This year, it's one or the other make the
• 28:08
  team this year the other one, you know, the other one walks and
• 28:11
  I would say the edge goes a little bit to bash them over Evaneza.
• 28:15
  I mean, you'd like to see obviously both draft picks and whatnot, but
• 28:19
  I don't think I think one of the two of them isn't on the isn't
• 28:22
  on the squad, you know, Monday Night against the Jets. I firmly
• 28:26
  believe that I think Shack Lawson kind of has solidified as a gamer in this
• 28:30
  He had, you know, had a breakout plays. I think it gets
• 28:33
  well in this defense and you know, a fan favorite in every regard.
• 28:37
  But yeah, I think it's one or the other with Basham and a JAP
• 28:40
  and as it going into going into Monday Night against the Jets, I don't
• 28:42
  think. I don't think they both survived this summer. Yeah, I mean,
• 28:45
  it's gonna be interesting to see their preseasons and they I think it would
• 28:48
  be, Um, it would behoove them to make some splash plays, whether
• 28:52
  it be in practice or any opportunities that they get into the game, because
• 28:56
  um, it just hasn't. It just hasn't really clicked. It hasn't.
• 28:59
  I haven't seen anything from aj really that makes me excited. And again,
• 29:03
  I've seen maybe a couple plays from Boogie Basham that will will come up and
• 29:07
  you know, you'll see him or something like that and all his fans will
• 29:10
  kind of let you know about it. But I haven't. I haven't seen
• 29:11
  that many. So it'll be interested to see how it how it lines out.
• 29:15
  Now as we transition to the guys right behind the trenches, the linebackers.
• 29:19
  What an interesting camp battle that's been coming up DT and we've been hearing
• 29:22
  about it. I know you listen to w gr as well like I do.
• 29:26
  And it's been interesting because like literally three or four guys have all gotten
• 29:30
  a chance to get reps. Now. It started out day one with Tyrell
• 29:33
  Dodson. That makes sense. He's last year's kind of incumbent. He was
• 29:37
  right behind Trey Edmonds, Tremayne Edmonds last year. And then I mean Terrell
• 29:42
  Bernard got a shot at the at the middle livebacker. They gave Bayle inspect
• 29:48
  some looks at the mic, Like I was really expe I'm very surprised when
• 29:52
  I saw that. When I saw that, I think it was day three.
• 29:55
  They said that Baylin Spector was out there. I even think that they
• 29:57
  gave Terrell Bernard some opportunities to see, um, you know, what he
• 30:00
  could do at the mic linebacker position. So listen, we all knew that
• 30:03
  Tremaine Edmund's great player, you know, a little bit overvalued or undervalue depending
• 30:08
  on who you talk to. In Bill's Mafia Nickel City Crew, some people
• 30:11
  loved him, some people couldn't stand him, and some people were right there
• 30:14
  in the middle. I think that we were right there in the middle on
• 30:17
  him that wanted some more splash plays from him. He gave it to you,
• 30:19
  last year arguably his best year. I think that's really not really arguable.
• 30:25
  Last year was his best year as a pro. He goes in free
• 30:26
  agency. You knew it was gonna be hard to replace him. How important
• 30:30
  is it to replace him? Because to be honest, you know, his
• 30:33
  range, I think is his number was his number one attribute to this defense
• 30:37
  was in coverage, creating you know, chaos for the for the quarterbacks.
• 30:42
  You know, none of these guys are as big as trade is. So
• 30:45
  is that what I don't I don't know do they have do they have a
• 30:48
  clue? Is this a good thing or a bad thing that they've got all
• 30:52
  these guys taking some reps with the ones, because sometimes, you know,
• 30:55
  it can be an indication that they don't have a you know, they don't
• 30:57
  know who the guy is yet, you know what I mean, Like sometimes
• 31:00
  when you're still searching exactly if whoever, exactly if if you have three,
• 31:04
  you don't have one to mentality, you know, yeah, you kind of
• 31:10
  see it both ways of that way of Okay, let's let's see who stands
• 31:15
  out. They're gonna be We're gonna put all the chips in the in their
• 31:17
  basket. They're gonna be the starting middle linebacker this year or it's you know,
• 31:22
  it's they're they're all good enough, they're all able. Let's see who
• 31:25
  earns it out in camp and gets ready as you as you break them all
• 31:27
  down. It obviously you'd probably rather have Edmonds than any of these three,
• 31:32
  but it is what it is. It's reality at the NFL. I think
• 31:34
  dotson Is has been the most consistent out of that has has obviously has more
• 31:40
  years. You know, it's good on special teams and this is kind of
• 31:42
  his his realm too. But what's a better opportunity to be a starting middle
• 31:45
  linebacker in the NFL on the Buffalo Bills, right, So you know you
• 31:49
  got to kind of live a little bit of that. Drell Bernard Is is
• 31:52
  a little smaller, uh you know, but is showing flashes. You know,
• 31:57
  hopefully with that small maybe he has some feed because even with Trimmy and
• 32:01
  Edmonds being as big as he was, he didn't lay the hammer down.
• 32:04
  And we talked about that last last offseason and coming in he's got to live
• 32:07
  up to that savage nickname, right, but you know he was never even
• 32:12
  laying the hammer down. So if if Bernard can be kind of that speed
• 32:15
  that Edmonds was. He's just not hitting his hard you know, I can
• 32:17
  live with that. But probably the biggest most characteristic middle linebacker is balin Spector.
• 32:23
  Don't have a lot of film on him, being the seventh round pick,
• 32:25
  you know, very raw out of Clemson. He's probably fits the mold
• 32:30
  of a middle linebacker more than more than anybody else, you know, kind
• 32:34
  of the big neck, the you know, the the rotating there and he's
• 32:37
  but he's probably not as fast, you know as the other two. So
• 32:42
  it's gonna be interesting. I hope it's not the if you have three,
• 32:45
  you don't have one mentality. It's more somebody's got to earn it. Or
• 32:49
  maybe we're gonna see more like the defensive line, Like these dudes are legit,
• 32:52
  gonna be rotating throughout the year. They're gonna all get get time in
• 32:55
  games and you know, and get and get those spots. But then again
• 32:58
  we go back to there's old fifty three robbed and you probably can't be running
• 33:01
  experiments with three or four guys during the season. Yeah, I would give
• 33:07
  the edge to Dots, and just from the experience, I true, I
• 33:13
  don't this might sound bad I could care less about Spector rob and then I
• 33:16
  would it would be exciting to see Bernard kind of kind of fill out and
• 33:20
  be you know what they draft him for, um, but I'll give the
• 33:22
  edge to dots in here. Yeah, I mean, it'll be interesting because
• 33:27
  that you know, it's it's interesting just because of even the draft pick made
• 33:30
  it interesting. And then you know, they draft Dory Williams and he's supposed
• 33:34
  to play middle, but then he gets to camp and it's like a day
• 33:37
  and like, oh no, he's gonna play will or whatever. You know,
• 33:38
  we got him outside, and it's like, well, why the hell
• 33:40
  did you spend that draft pick on him if he's not going to be even
• 33:44
  in the competition. You don't mean to start, you know what I mean.
• 33:45
  So it was just it's just been weird. I know, he's only
• 33:47
  a third round pick or whatever the case may be, but just some of
• 33:51
  their selections in that linebacker room, it's almost like they're, you know,
• 33:53
  they're kind of just shaking some shit up and they're trying to figure out what's
• 33:57
  gonna work, what's gonna be successful for them, and and it shows,
• 34:00
  you know, I mean Trey, you know, Tremaine Edmonds was a great
• 34:02
  player. I understand that, um, he's going to be something you know,
• 34:06
  big shoes to feel. But I'm almost as long as Matt Milano is
• 34:09
  healthy and in there, I really do feel good about, you know,
• 34:13
  the past coverage. I feel good about Milano in coverage. I feel good
• 34:15
  about him against the run um and I'm hoping that maybe he can carry I
• 34:19
  know he won't be calling the plays, but hopefully he can carry that other
• 34:22
  linebacker regardless as a Dotson or if it's another guy, and kind of bring
• 34:24
  their level, raise their level of their game. Because you're absolutely right,
• 34:28
  d too, you've got a golden opportunity. If you're a Tyroll Dotson,
• 34:30
  You've got a golden opportunity. If you're Bernard, even if you're Bayal in
• 34:34
  spector, you can, against all odds right now, you get a chance
• 34:37
  to become a starting middle linebacker in the NFL. And that's got to be
• 34:39
  something that that entices all those guys. So we'll watch that as camp.
• 34:45
  He usually stops in from time to time, so I would like to I
• 34:52
  would like to see him and their coaching these guys up too, right,
• 34:53
  because yeah, he was there last year. Yeah, ten percent of what
• 34:57
  Luke Kickle was. You know, we'll take it. So we will say,
• 35:00
  yes, we'll definitely take that for sure. Now as we transition to
• 35:04
  the boundaries and our secretary, which one of the strengths of our team,
• 35:07
  we'll start on the corners on the edges. Um. It has been one
• 35:12
  weird career trajectories thus far as these last two years with with Kyer elam Man,
• 35:17
  it's been. I mean, we talked about it a few times,
• 35:21
  Brandon Beans saying some weird shit about him and you know, hoping they wishing
• 35:23
  that he could work hard, not that he could work harder, but that's
• 35:27
  it's just not clicking. And I think he said something about I wish I
• 35:29
  could just kick him in the ass or or give him you know what I
• 35:30
  mean, And that that's all that it was like. And it kind of
• 35:34
  lends it to like either he's not picking up the playbook, either he's not
• 35:37
  picking up his assignments, or combination of both. He's been having a little
• 35:40
  bit of a tough time and these guys behind him, cam lewis dt um,
• 35:45
  you know what I mean, We've got him along with um excuse me,
• 35:50
  Christian Benford. Last year who was the original starter and he was at
• 35:52
  the end of the of the of the draft. These guys are not waiting
• 35:57
  for Elam to get it. They're not you know, expecting and just giving
• 36:00
  him anything and handing anything to him and saying, oh, you're the first
• 36:02
  round pick. You go, you go ahead, you take it. Cam
• 36:06
  Lewis, I really think can be the starter for this Buffalo Bill's team outside
• 36:08
  opposite of Trey White, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was, you
• 36:12
  know, Christian Benford. At this point, I'm really wondering what's up with
• 36:15
  Kyer Elam because it has not been good um, and a lot of the
• 36:20
  stuff out of campus just that it's it's continuing from last year that it's just
• 36:22
  it's not clicking for whatever reason. And I know we're not in the locker
• 36:27
  room, you know. Yeah. And first off, let's you know,
• 36:29
  let's not skip over the outside back or we talked Matt Milano first team All
• 36:32
  Pro and he's gonna have to be all of that this year. But a
• 36:36
  concern we haven't heard of. Haven't heard literally a peep about Dorian Williams other
• 36:39
  than that he's not playing middle linebacker. Yeah, yeah, so he hasn't
• 36:44
  been doing anything in camp that That's what tells me. But so, long
• 36:47
  story short, Matt Milan has got to be everything of all pro and then
• 36:51
  some again, you know, to fill that board in the middle. But
• 36:52
  yeah, going into the secondary, I think this squad has unfortunately got thrown
• 37:00
  into the deep end, probably before they wanted to be last year without Trey
• 37:02
  White all year, you know, or most of it, right, A
• 37:06
  lot of these guys had to step up. Dan Jackson had to step up
• 37:07
  and be a one in some cases. Kayer Elam probably wasn't ready to be
• 37:12
  the two in some cases and was out there. Christian Benford has been good
• 37:15
  because he sucked and I miss yeah, I miss spoke Dan. I'm talking
• 37:19
  about Dan Jackson. Dane Jackson and and and uh and what's his name?
• 37:23
  By those are the two that could really be battling for that job. I
• 37:27
  don't not yat cam Lewis. It was Dane Jackson, but cam Lewis is
• 37:30
  having a good camp too. Well we'll get into him, but but um,
• 37:32
  yeah, you look at and you want to be optimistic about Kyer Elam
• 37:37
  took him first round. This defense in this first round has been there,
• 37:42
  you know, so then it's like, okay, but I need one of
• 37:47
  you guys that hit. He's got to start clicking. And I think he
• 37:51
  had a lot of experiences last year where you know, he wasn't he was
• 37:54
  a he was a rookie still, but he was playing a lot of you
• 37:57
  know, he was on the field a lot last year. So I hope
• 37:59
  that might transition to he's not He's getting into this year and he's gonna see
• 38:02
  things that he saw again. It's not gonna be such a shock to him
• 38:06
  getting out on the field and that might just naturally have some development and play
• 38:09
  Trey White on the other side, though, also means you know you're gonna
• 38:14
  get picked on a lot more as we as the years of Levi Wallace came
• 38:16
  and Levi Wallace a quarterback, but literally got picked on every single game,
• 38:22
  all game. And he's Kyrie Elam ready for that? Is Dan Jackson ready
• 38:25
  for that? You know? That's that's what the questions are gonna be.
• 38:28
  I like the deepness of this right and even Cam Dancer coming in, um,
• 38:32
  you know, another guy that had high potential coming out really hasn't panned
• 38:37
  out. We'll see what you do, but there is there's a lot of
• 38:39
  guys. There's a lot of guys, so um, you know, we
• 38:43
  gotta we gotta really lean on that depth portion of this deep trend we've been
• 38:47
  talking about. You know, we got Trey White and every all signs say
• 38:51
  he's back to normal, which we hope, and then the other you know,
• 38:54
  kind of dice role take it deep. If you can't do it,
• 38:58
  someone else will. But these guys have kind of proven that they could.
• 39:00
  They held their own for most of the time until Drey White got back.
• 39:02
  Nobody really cooked him. Um, that entire span. And that goes to
• 39:07
  the to the scheme and the play called the Ben Don't Break and everything like
• 39:10
  that and the safety help over the top and everything included. And that's still
• 39:14
  gonna be a thing this year. But I like the deepness. I like,
• 39:17
  you know, having those guys. I I have faith in how you're
• 39:20
  eithering them. I don't think I'm out on him as quick. Yeah,
• 39:22
  I mean I think that he couldn't be struggling just because he was a press
• 39:25
  a press corner at Florida. He was a plus man and he's playing you
• 39:29
  know, all zone now, so maybe that's just maybe It could be just
• 39:31
  as simple as that that he's not used to backing up and backpedaling and and
• 39:36
  you know, looking at the quarterback and covering eyes and covering a space as
• 39:38
  opposed to just stay with this man because he's a world class athlete. So
• 39:42
  I'm hoping that that's maybe just it and maybe experience helps him, you know.
• 39:46
  I don't know, of course, And Dan Jackson's kind of feast famine
• 39:50
  with him, right he makes them, he makes some killer plays, but
• 39:52
  then he's like, oh man, it's getting Jackson. So I would almost
• 39:55
  rather have that when you have this many guys to take those chances, be
• 40:00
  those players because you will get to them in a minute, but you got
• 40:02
  the best safeties behind you. So I'd like the mentality of Dan Jackson.
• 40:07
  I hope the talent flows through with Kayer Elam. And I'm not all on
• 40:12
  Christian Benford as people are. I think that was one of those things where
• 40:15
  nobody expected anything and then all of a sudden he was kind of in the
• 40:17
  in the talks of being you know, a starter, so people think he's
• 40:21
  just good. Now I'm not sold on that. You know, that's good
• 40:24
  for him. I'm competitive and being up there, but I'm not sold that
• 40:28
  he's our number two corners, So well, yeah, it's we'll see probably
• 40:31
  the biggest question mark, you know other obviously we just got through the middle
• 40:36
  linebacker. But I would I would if I had to pick one, I'd
• 40:39
  be more interested to see. It's definitely you know, middle linebacker. I
• 40:43
  could if all three of those guys started, as I just said, it's
• 40:45
  whatever corner, I'd probably have a little more criticism. And who starts,
• 40:51
  Yeah, I mean, I'm we're watching it. I mean it seems like
• 40:53
  on the off of the side is the right guard and wondering if a Siren's
• 40:57
  tourants can take over Rick Bates's job. And then on the defense, yes,
• 41:00
  CB two is is right up there. Because you know, when you
• 41:02
  draft somebody as high as you draft Kyer Elam, I don't care if he
• 41:06
  came out of you know, press man coverage or not. You know,
• 41:08
  you're a first rounder, you know, twenty third overall, like you're expecting,
• 41:13
  I mean first rounders DT they're expected to be great, you know pros.
• 41:15
  They're expected to get to that second contract, whether it's with their team
• 41:19
  or another team. And you know it's just a situation where I don't think
• 41:22
  that the signs have really been pointing in the right direction for him, And
• 41:24
  some of the weird stuff that Brandon Bean was talking about with him just kind
• 41:28
  of makes you It kind of just piques your curiosity, that's all, you
• 41:30
  know, because you don't really don't hear that. You know, well,
• 41:32
  no, he works hard, that's fine, it's just not it's not clicking
• 41:36
  or what are the case maybe and I know he didn't say that verbatim,
• 41:38
  but you know, he kind of insinuated that that it could be the case.
• 41:42
  So hopefully, you know, here's the him getting in his playbook,
• 41:44
  making sure that he's you know, understanding what you know, the defense is
• 41:46
  requiring of him. I know it's a lot different than it was at Florida,
• 41:50
  you know, playing man in zone. But either way, man,
• 41:52
  you've got to uh, you've got to find a way to adjust because this
• 41:53
  is the big leagues and this league will chew you up and spit you out.
• 41:57
  And in addition to the fact that nobody is going to him anything just
• 42:00
  because of this draft status. Now as we continue to transition, we're almost
• 42:05
  done with the defense, but there's no way that we can leave the cornerback
• 42:07
  room without talking about Trey White like you said, I mean I was neglecting.
• 42:10
  I wasn't trying to skip over Matt Mulatto. I was just he's more
• 42:14
  of an assume. And it's the same and it's the same thing with quarnerback
• 42:16
  because we saw that you can't just assume when you come off these acls,
• 42:22
  like you talked about Von Miller so acutely earlier in the show, DT,
• 42:24
  you can't always assume, you know, Trey White came back, he wasn't
• 42:28
  quite you know, the same Tray White. And I think it was one
• 42:30
  hundred percent or at least ninety five percent was mental in this confidence level.
• 42:35
  I've heard great things out of Camp DT that he's he's back to be in
• 42:37
  Trey. You know how he likes to engage with the fans, he likes
• 42:40
  to engage with his teammates. He's you know, he's hopping up in drills.
• 42:44
  He's doing a lot of different things and moving around and it's almost like
• 42:46
  he's not thinking about the NISO to speak. So if Trey White is back
• 42:51
  to all pro status, then that even sheds a bigger light on CB two
• 42:54
  because you're absolutely right, they will quarterbacks will once again be scared to go
• 42:59
  his way because he is he's nothing to play with when he's on his game.
• 43:01
  He is, he's a he's a premiere quarterback in this league when he's
• 43:05
  on his game. Yeah, And what better way to kind of rip the
• 43:07
  band aiding and get back to rolling when you've got a guard one four every
• 43:09
  day in practice? Right Rob? Like that intensity, that dog is never
• 43:14
  quitting, and then gave David is trying to earn his and and then the
• 43:16
  best quarterback whipping the ball right in the perfect window, you know, So
• 43:22
  that's only getting him back like a quick like slap in the face water water
• 43:24
  while you're sleeping, like yo, like let's go and get rolling. So
• 43:28
  I agree. You know, if he was straight up shutdown Rob, and
• 43:31
  he didn't, and nobody even threw to him like it was legit visible like
• 43:37
  you would be you would forget he was on the team because his girl,
• 43:39
  you know, you'd make a tackle and you'd be like, I haven't heard
• 43:43
  his dame all day. So yeah, he's got to be it. He's
• 43:45
  got to be uh in in that role because you got to think you're a
• 43:49
  little less a middle linebacker. So there's gonna be more coming across the middle.
• 43:52
  Your question, market cornerback to Trey White has to be all pro for
• 43:57
  this, all the kind of work. Um, you know, you get
• 44:00
  addition by subtraction, if you will. He's got to level up. Same
• 44:04
  with that, Matt mulan on what I was just saying, like, he's
• 44:06
  got to be every bit of all pro and then some to feel that to
• 44:08
  feel kind of the voids of you know, the cornerback too in the middle
• 44:12
  linebacker slot. So excited, pumped. He's got to be pumped to kind
• 44:15
  of get rolling back into it a full off season, a full full workload
• 44:17
  with his with his boys ready to roll, and you know, kind of
• 44:21
  more of like a chip on his shoulder, a little pissed off. Right,
• 44:23
  I was all pro, I was cornerback and he's not. Everybody forget
• 44:28
  he really wasn't even when he was Trey White. You know it was Jalen
• 44:31
  Ramsey's and that all right. Now I'm back after the ACL a little older,
• 44:38
  like now, you you know, people have got to start talking about
• 44:42
  me. So a little chip on his shoulder to get it done that way,
• 44:45
  LSU baby, I know you let lc there you go. Well,
• 44:50
  I mean, as we as we wrap up on tonight, man, a
• 44:52
  better way to wrap up the defense than literally the heart beat and the soul
• 44:58
  of this team. UM start on the defensive side of the football and the
• 45:00
  dust start that safety room. Man UM for us back again for a seven
• 45:06
  year together. And when I saw that, I was like seven. I
• 45:07
  was like I had to really go back and off like holy shit, like
• 45:10
  they had like they have been together. One of Sean McDermott's first you know
• 45:15
  acquisitions. I mean, remember there was that weird year where you know,
• 45:19
  Doug Whaley was the you know, the limp GM on his way out of
• 45:22
  the door before Brandon Bean gets here. They pick up Jordan Poyer from Cleveland.
• 45:24
  He had you know, he was special teams and kind of a rotational
• 45:28
  player. And then they get Micah Hide from Green Bay, and boy,
• 45:30
  man, it's been like peanut butter and jelly, it's been like you know
• 45:34
  what I mean, catch up in Western Like it's been literally it's been perfect
• 45:37
  with those guys back there. Um, they've been ultra durable up to last
• 45:43
  year. If they've been just leaders for the team, UM captains us,
• 45:46
  it just seems like it seems like they're in separable. I don't know how
• 45:49
  close they are outside of the field, but it seems like those guys are
• 45:52
  close, kind of like you know, josh and and seventeen were close,
• 45:54
  and you know, like you talked about playing video games and stuff like that.
• 45:58
  It seems like poorer and high hide and poorer they just go together.
• 46:00
  Man, Like it just goes together perfectly. And I'm really excited because this
• 46:06
  is almost reminding me of like the last dance I told you I'd watched that
• 46:08
  with the Michael Jordan stuff, and like this could be the last dance for
• 46:12
  them. This Safety Room DT could look a lot different come next year this
• 46:15
  time when we're talking about training camp of twenty twenty four, these guys,
• 46:20
  man, they're getting up there in age. I know they're both thirty two,
• 46:22
  getting ready to be thirty three. Throughout the season, I think,
• 46:23
  or something like that, what a pleasure it's been. And let's just first,
• 46:28
  you know, around of appost to them and salute to the captors,
• 46:30
  because what a pleasure has been watching them. They've been the backbone of the
• 46:32
  defense DT. Like I don't think that that's overstating it. Even a little
• 46:36
  bit, the way that they erased plays, the way that they are interchangeable,
• 46:38
  the way that Sean McDermott and Leslie Fraser have actually been able to scheme
• 46:43
  different coverages because of the fact that they know that these guys are smart enough
• 46:46
  to be at the right spot at the right time, even if they're trying
• 46:50
  to show a different look to the quarterback. Poorer will get where he needs
• 46:52
  to be. And who can forget that. I mean that Mica Hyde interception,
• 46:55
  that perfection of the department, and that was like what And I still
• 47:00
  I still can't believe that he picked it. And I told you, I
• 47:01
  told that story on that episode of years ago. Like I literally I was
• 47:06
  put my hands on my head. I was like, oh damn, Like,
• 47:07
  okay, it's the Patriots. I know it's gonna be a close game.
• 47:10
  Mac Josephs threw a touchdown and then everybody's chairing like what the hell happened?
• 47:14
  Like he picked that off one of the greatest defensive players I've ever seen
• 47:16
  for the Buffalo Bills. So these guys, man, what a round of
• 47:19
  applause, because if this is their last go round, man, I have
• 47:22
  I've just I've enjoyed every single minute of those guys that got those guys together.
• 47:24
  Excuse me, you said a best rob But what's an average career in
• 47:29
  the NFL, like three to five years or something like that, and these
• 47:34
  cats have been together seven on the Bills. This is their second team.
• 47:37
  You know, they're coming from from the backers with Hide and from the Browns
• 47:39
  with players, so they're even. They're past the average just on the Bills
• 47:45
  and this is their second team, so it's it's inevitable. I'm not saying
• 47:49
  it's their last year for both of them, but this might be the last
• 47:52
  dance of them being dominant, you know, safety Tannam in the league.
• 47:55
  I think Micah Hyde has something to prove obviously with last year kind of losing
• 47:59
  a season. But I watched a nice cool documentary State Cage, which will
• 48:04
  you know, we we've talked about a few times in the Big Bank.
• 48:06
  Kind of got a sign to him of uh, he did a little documentary
• 48:08
  I'm like a hide in the off season, and it wasn't like, yo,
• 48:12
  like I missed a season, I'm pissed. It's like every season's a
• 48:15
  bonus, Like if I get to play another year in the NFL like it's
• 48:17
  a bonus literally because it's a three to five year life. Yeah. Yeah,
• 48:23
  And he gets gets back with his brother and Jodan Poyer, who was
• 48:28
  literally on pace to have the record of interceptions last year on the Bills,
• 48:32
  you know, played for injury to get this contract, and I'm glad you
• 48:36
  know they came back and got you a post signed. I think that's they
• 48:38
  had to do, one of them. And I think the heart and leadership
• 48:42
  of Justin Poyer probably met a lot more than you know, the skill set
• 48:45
  of forty nine Trayman Edmunds. So sitting back and looking at it, I
• 48:50
  think they made the right decision. I hope they really did, as as
• 48:52
  these two literally are going to clash for the hope hopefully not the last time,
• 48:57
  but you got to think, you know, you got to count the
• 48:59
  blessings that it might be the last time that they're a dominant tan the meck
• 49:00
  there. But Van and Mean goes and adds depth with with Tyler rapp Is
• 49:05
  as we'll get a Yeah. I really you know, liked him as a
• 49:07
  starter and um, you know, I'm Los Angeles and they come in and
• 49:12
  and be that be that backbone because these guys are you know, probably past
• 49:15
  the point of playing every down as or at least in that efforts as you
• 49:21
  play donond Nicol a lot more than other teams. So UM looking forward to
• 49:24
  see what he can bring to the team as well, because it is probably
• 49:29
  the last dance, you know, for these Cats. So maybe I'm not
• 49:31
  trying to be somber or anything like that. I just want to get I
• 49:34
  want to give these guys the flowers and why they're why they're here. I
• 49:37
  want to give these guys their flowers because you know what I mean. Um,
• 49:39
  it's just it's been They've been so good that we have I think have
• 49:45
  even taken them for granted, if that's even possible. I know that we're
• 49:46
  their fan favorites. I know that we love them, and we talk about
• 49:49
  Hide and Boyer all the time. Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde. They're on
• 49:52
  everybody's lips when it comes to defense. However, they still are undervalued because
• 49:57
  of the fact that like they don't miss games. Up until last year,
• 49:59
  they did miss games. Um, they were always durable. So the number
• 50:01
  one you know, you know, number one quality is availability and that's what
• 50:06
  the coaches love. So these guys are out there every week putting on the
• 50:08
  line. Then you had poorer, like you said last year, playing through
• 50:10
  injury, just showing the grit, the toughness to play through injury and and
• 50:15
  still be a great player like he was. Still he wasn't getting exposed or
• 50:17
  anything like that with that elbow injury. He was playing and he was bawling.
• 50:21
  Um. It was just interesting because you know, these guys are just
• 50:23
  um, they're just so good and they're just undervalued. I still think that
• 50:27
  they're undervalued. They are all prosum and they have been for quite some time
• 50:30
  with the Bills, and it's just funny to see in seven years coming.
• 50:32
  I was just like, wow, I can't even believe it's been that long.
• 50:35
  And they they deodorize more than you know the see yeah where the Wayne
• 50:39
  says right, really gee's moving silence. That is like they do make plays.
• 50:45
  They are playmakers. They are on the stat sheet, but they also
• 50:47
  have done for all seven years. Um, you know, they make quarterbacks
• 50:51
  scare. They don't go in places where reporting and hide are stuff stuff you
• 50:54
  don't see on the stat sheet that you see in film that you know kind
• 50:58
  of deodorizes of the flaws and the defense because just to these two of who
• 51:02
  they are, so you know that's that's another huge aspect that you know,
• 51:07
  you can't intangibly put on paper that he has led to the success they pack.
• 51:12
  Yeah, I mean, and it'll be interesting. You know, you
• 51:14
  talked about Taylor Rap, and I'm interested to see him because you know,
• 51:16
  you know, with McDermott and you know him being you know, the new
• 51:20
  play caller and everybody. Everybody continues to tell me they's going to be more
• 51:22
  aggressive, and I know we're talking about the start to show it and more
• 51:25
  blitzes and more sim pressure as well. If you're doing more simulated pressure,
• 51:29
  one way that you can do that is by making sure that you bring another
• 51:31
  safety, whether it be Serrand Neil in there, big nickel, or whether
• 51:35
  it be Taylor Rap and you're playing a three state safety look or whatever the
• 51:39
  case may be. It's interesting because when you've got positional flexibility like that in
• 51:45
  the in the defensive backfield, you can cause problems for defense. You excuse
• 51:47
  me for an offense, you can you know, kind of mess up their
• 51:50
  system so to speak, because um not on a lot of guys are playing
• 51:52
  three safeties. I know that that's kind of been a little bit in vogue
• 51:55
  the last couple of years, and some guys, some coaches have gone more
• 51:58
  to it, but it's not the trend or anything like that. So I'll
• 52:00
  be interested to watch Taylor rep. I did like him. You're right with
• 52:04
  the rams UM. I thought that he was a good pro and we'll see
• 52:07
  what you know, he along with Serandio can bring UM. And then finally,
• 52:09
  you know, I don't know DT if there is an exemption, and
• 52:14
  I know that there's not. I'm saying that tongue in cheek, but I
• 52:16
  don't know how you don't put Damar Hamlet on this team. I don't I
• 52:20
  don't know how you don't now even if it's for UM. And I don't
• 52:23
  want to sound disrespectful and say just nostalgia or just you know, the fact
• 52:27
  of the situation last year, because I think that he's still a good football
• 52:30
  player and obviously has to prove. He's got to get back out there and
• 52:31
  getting the swing of things. And I saw you gotta pick the other day
• 52:35
  in camping. That was cool to see. UM. I don't know how
• 52:37
  he's not on the team, just for everything involved, to be honest and
• 52:40
  that's not with any type of shade or anything like that. I don't know
• 52:43
  how he's not on the team. Um, can you see a way that
• 52:45
  he's not on the team, because I'm not really sure if I can come
• 52:49
  up with a way. You know, you hope now I mean business,
• 52:53
  But it's a question right in Yeah, but does he you know, does
• 52:59
  he passes test? Like at the end of the day, you know,
• 53:01
  the story is great, I'm glad, you know he's okay, I'm glad
• 53:06
  for all of that. But if you're asking me, you know, if
• 53:09
  there's a better safety out there to get or if there's a better safety to
• 53:13
  make this team, and it comes down to those two, I think I'm
• 53:16
  still going with a better safety. Like Idamar Hamlin has earned a spot on
• 53:20
  this team. It's not like he's some you know, charity charity stripe.
• 53:23
  He earned his safety and played a lot with it like a hideout last year.
• 53:29
  And you know he can he can lay licks and maybe sometimes a little
• 53:32
  liability and coverage, but the dude can hit. So if he if he
• 53:36
  goes on, earns it and I don't think the bills are you know,
• 53:38
  in a in a with McDermott, especially that kind of conservative, no no
• 53:43
  bs type of vibe. I don't think they're just letting him on the team.
• 53:45
  For him to be on the team, like he's got to be a
• 53:47
  contributor, um. But it's a it's an interesting topic if they did what
• 53:52
  if they did cut him? Yeah, man, that would be a crazy
• 53:55
  headline if they did. That's what I meant. Somebody is somebody picking them
• 53:59
  up? Probably not, you would think, right, like, is it
• 54:00
  just the He might be good enough, but like there's a lot of stuff
• 54:04
  that comes with it now, right, So, I think the only place
• 54:07
  he has to play in the NFL is the Bills, so he's got to
• 54:08
  earn it. And I think he's done well in camp from what I hear.
• 54:12
  From what I see, that might be overstimulated because it's like, oh,
• 54:15
  everything he does is is under a microscope because it's de Marhammon. Oh
• 54:19
  we did this, so we got to pick and practice and you know,
• 54:21
  sort of a lot of other guys, right, but it it'll be interesting.
• 54:25
  You'd like to see it, just say, just do and he earns
• 54:30
  it and it's good and the story continues and we're all good. But you
• 54:32
  know, it's if if that shit happens. It's that's is that another seaman
• 54:37
  Dermott swallowing his words at the podium, you know, after the dig thing
• 54:40
  is this when he cuts the Demarhammon. I can't. I can't, I
• 54:44
  just can't. I mean, I know you're trying to and I just can't.
• 54:46
  I mean and again, and I agree with your original sentiment that they
• 54:50
  will not give him a spot. However, if it's down to him and
• 54:54
  hum, you know, the the eighth lineman or something, you know what
• 54:59
  I mean, I think that they'll find a way to keep him on the
• 55:00
  team just because of the fact that the PR the PR I think would be
• 55:04
  crazy. Um. You know, I may push back and say that he
• 55:07
  might get picked up by another team, maybe somebody would take a chance on
• 55:10
  him, but it is there is more to it. And I know that
• 55:13
  there was once in a life, you know, once in a lifetime,
• 55:15
  there was one and they say, you have a better chance to win the
• 55:16
  Lottle than you do to have you know, the Cardio Commodus or whatever it
• 55:20
  was that that actually stopped his heart because it was right at the actual exact
• 55:23
  moment that he took that hit from t Higgins, that it stopped, So
• 55:27
  it's not something that anybody anticipates is going to happen again. So maybe somebody
• 55:30
  else picks him up, but it would just be it would be a conversation
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  for even the Steelers. You know, he's a Picksburg kid. It will
• 55:35
  even be a conversation for them, just because of the backdrop. Nobody wants
• 55:38
  anything bad to happen to him. So I just can't imagine the press conference
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  like you're talking. I just can't imagine that he's not on the team.
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  I think that they'll try to at least ride with him, and even if
• 55:46
  they have to cut from another position that they're deeper and like you talked about,
• 55:51
  with the depth, I think they keep him on the squad. So
• 55:52
  yeah, it's it's been interesting, man, it'll be interesting. The defense
• 55:55
  is something that you know you talked about at the beginning of the show DT.
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  We grew up on We grew up on it. You know, defense
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  wins championship and our dads say run the ball and you've got to stop the
• 56:05
  run and stuff like that. You know, and I understand that some of
• 56:07
  those principles are still true. Um, you know, you can't just get
• 56:10
  gashed on the ground for two hundred and fifty yards every single week, or
• 56:14
  you're gonna you're gonna lose the game more than likely because you're gonna lose time
• 56:16
  and possession. And if that team can actually cash in a couple of touchdowns,
• 56:20
  then you're gonna be in You're gonna be in some trouble. However,
• 56:22
  you know, passing is still better than running, and then you know,
• 56:25
  defense doesn't win championships. But as you talked about in the beginning of the
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  show, you can't just be a sieve. You can't just be you know,
• 56:31
  to mean Swiss cheese, because you know eventually it's gonna it's gonna add
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  up. You know, these points you talked about of the Super Bowl,
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  I mean, they didn't even lay a finger on the homes like that was
• 56:40
  ridiculous. Seventy sacks to not even touching him once in the biggest game of
• 56:45
  the year. So I do think that defense is important. I think that
• 56:49
  obviously, offense is most important. And again I'm most concerned, and I
• 56:53
  get you know, not even concerned. I'm just there's just not many levels
• 56:58
  to go up dt the Leslie Frasier in conjunction with Sean McDermott have feeled that
• 57:02
  a excellent defense in the league that is predicated on passing and predicating on throwing
• 57:08
  the football and is very, very hard to duplicate. Year after year,
• 57:13
  they have been great. Now if the two of them budded heads and the
• 57:15
  two of them couldn't coexist anymore, then that's fine. I understand Sean mcdermot's
• 57:20
  point of view if that's the truth what Mike Lombardi was supporting, and I
• 57:22
  definitely understand Leslie Fraser's point of view as well, like, hey man,
• 57:24
  I feel that the top five defense every fucking year I've been here, and
• 57:28
  now you're telling me that you want to take the play calls you think you
• 57:30
  could do better than I've been. Okay, no problem. I'll go take
• 57:32
  my ball and I'll go home and I'll sit at home and you can do
• 57:36
  it by yourself. So I understand both sides of it, you know,
• 57:37
  And even with Sean's side that, hey man, I gotta pull rank,
• 57:40
  you know what I mean, Like, I can't keep having this shit end
• 57:43
  up at my door because eventually they're gonna people are gonna be looking at me
• 57:45
  like Nicol City crew looks at me. All the time, so I understand
• 57:47
  both sides of it. But it'll be interesting. This is going to be
• 57:51
  a pivotal year for for Sean McDermott. We talked about Ken Dorsey last week
• 57:54
  and you know, defense, you know, might not necessarily excuse me win
• 57:59
  championships anymore, but it is still damn important when it comes to the playoffs.
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  And I think that, um, you know, only time will tell.
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  But mcdartt is uh, he's squarely on the spotlight. We've already talked
• 58:09
  about it. And the inevitable is everything runs through seventeen, Rob, Everything.
• 58:14
  Seventeen is our life, our blood, our breadth, everything. So
• 58:19
  with this, with this schedule coming up, with these teams we're gonna play,
• 58:22
  with these high power offenses, we're gonna play. The defense has got
• 58:25
  to give us a little help. Gotta give seventeen a little help because it's
• 58:30
  it's too long of a year in the league, is too good. He
• 58:31
  can't have the capon for seventeen weeks, you know, Rob. So they've
• 58:36
  got to make plays. They got to give them a little help. And
• 58:38
  um, I'm not saying they got to win any games for us, but
• 58:40
  they I like the you know, if they continue this the mantra of being
• 58:45
  top ten and everything and then the Ben don't break Like I can be okay
• 58:49
  with that, just a little more adge, a little more tenacity a point
• 58:52
  this week and can't The d line has given the offensive line everything they can
• 58:57
  handle, and Josh Allen's being you know, visibly frustrated out there. So
• 59:01
  that's if if they if that's something they're the job, you know, and
• 59:07
  then let's roll on that. So we're gonna need a little a little juice.
• 59:10
  We're gonna need, um a little help with with this schedule coming up.
• 59:15
  And I think we're deep everywhere. I think there's there's positivity everywhere.
• 59:19
  Um, it'll be interesting to see how some of these holes get filled.
• 59:22
  But um, the main staples are there. There's all pros on all four
• 59:25
  levels of this defense. So what more can you ask for? Really?
• 59:29
  Yeah, I mean it's been Ben's been stacked and you know, the talents
• 59:31
  there, some of these guys have to you know, step up into two
• 59:35
  roles that they're not necessarily accustomed to or or used to. But they've got
• 59:37
  to step up, you know, quarterback too, and and linebacker. You
• 59:40
  know, there's gonna be some big shoes to fill. But these guys have
• 59:43
  to step up this time. Um. You know one of the things about
• 59:45
  Random being bringing in all this talent is you know, you've got to hit
• 59:47
  on these draft picks sometimes. You know, you can't always go find gems
• 59:51
  for cheap and free agency. You know, sometimes you got to get these
• 59:53
  draft picks to to hit and and some of these guys, it's going to
• 59:57
  be put up or shut up. Time. We talked about the defensive end.
• 1:00:00
  We've talked about you know, the cornerbacks, We've talked about them all
• 1:00:01
  this this evening. You know, it's going to be time for some people
• 1:00:05
  to step up. Man, we need some of these guys to step up.
• 1:00:07
  You know, the roster's getting older and we need some guys to step
• 1:00:09
  up. So we'll see how it works now. Tonight's episode long with all
• 1:00:12
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• 1:00:20
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  all support a great cause. I've had fun DT tonight. Man. I
• 1:00:28
  tried to keep it under hour we just went over, man, but I've
• 1:00:30
  had fun again tonight. Man. The defense is always interesting, Sean McDermot.
• 1:00:34
  You know that's my favorite topic. I love talking about him. So
• 1:00:37
  I really appreciate you taking the time out of your nightmare. Yeah, I
• 1:00:39
  agree, Rob, another successful week. Love being on with the crew.
• 1:00:44
  I love you, Rob, I really appreciate it. And get excited because
• 1:00:46
  you see a lot more from the defense in the preseason than the offense,
• 1:00:50
  you know, because seventeen is not going to be on the field right.
• 1:00:52
  Everything's defensively, you see a lot more and you see guys earning their stripes.
• 1:00:58
  So somebody keep an eye on the next three weeks see what this dea
• 1:01:00
  can do. I love it. Yeah, and I love it too.
• 1:01:02
  As as we all know, the Hall of Fame Game is tomorrow again,
• 1:01:06
  we will release these on Thursday, so today later today on Thursday, the
• 1:01:09
  Hall of Fame Game. We've got the Jets and the Browns. They've both
• 1:01:13
  got Hall of Famers getting ready to go in this weekend into Canton. I
• 1:01:15
  think Darrell Reevas, and I think there's another guy Gaston or somebody else from
• 1:01:20
  the Jets, and then obviously Joe Thomas with the Cleveland Browns, So congratulations
• 1:01:23
  to those guys. Their families are getting their gold jackets. And I guess
• 1:01:27
  we'll watch some football in a row, even if it's backups. I'll have
• 1:01:30
  it all. I mean, I would be lying to say that I won't
• 1:01:31
  have it on because footballs in the year, and I'm happy that it's back
• 1:01:35
  Man. Next week, we will break down the American Football Conference. I
• 1:01:39
  can't wait. We're gonna go through division by division. We're gonna talk about
• 1:01:44
  some of the threats and some of the things that could stop the Buffalo Bills
• 1:01:47
  from representing the conference in the Super Bowl. Fifty eight are we up to
• 1:01:52
  now? Way, it's a fifty eight? Yeah, I think it's yea.
• 1:01:54
  Yeah. We just missed fifty seven, so we'll see how it goes.
• 1:01:58
  Man. I can't wait to break down the AFC with you guys next
• 1:02:00
  week. As always, these were my Bills thoughts set out loud, spread
• 1:02:04
  love not hey hit them with a Go Bills, DT, please hit the
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  Bills, Go Bills, baby,