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Is Ohio State Football Already Behind For 2025? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckey's Tomorrow Morning for Sunday, March thirtieth, I'm
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Speaker 1: you're going to get to hear a bunch from Matt Patricia.
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Speaker 1: We had a chance to talk to him earlier last week,
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Speaker 1: and it was really, really a great interview session. He's
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's just turning on the charm
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Speaker 1: or if this is how he's going to be all
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Speaker 1: the time, but man, it was a there were so
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Speaker 1: many good, deep, thoughtful answers from Matt Patricia. I thought
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Speaker 1: we got to do a show with just just his
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Speaker 1: stuff because there was a lot of really good stuff.
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Speaker 1: And then we've just had a bunch of stuff happening
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Speaker 1: all week, so we're getting to it now, better late
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Speaker 1: than never. So one of the first people Matt Patricia
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Speaker 1: had talked about when he got to Columbus was CJ. Hicks.
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Speaker 1: So what makes CJ. Hicks's skill set someone that he
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Speaker 1: was so excited to work with.
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Speaker 2: He's a tremendous guy, you know, just the energy and
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Speaker 2: the excitement, and he's always trying to please, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's really eager to learn everything. Skill set wise, he's
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Speaker 2: really unique. You know, like he can play off the ball,
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Speaker 2: you can play on the ball. He does a good
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Speaker 2: job of.
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Speaker 3: Transitioning his vision.
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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes when you go behind the on of scrimmage,
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Speaker 2: you know you got to adjust your vision. But he
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Speaker 2: does that very well. And then just I would say
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Speaker 2: his explosive power. You know when you watch him obviously
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Speaker 2: pass rush and he can have some great skill pass
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Speaker 2: rushing on the edge, but even in the run game,
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Speaker 2: just that explosive pop that he can have. Some of
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Speaker 2: the other type of like hybrid like outside lineberg defensive
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Speaker 2: ends that I've coached in the past, similar type of
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Speaker 2: skill sets, similar type of body, you know, body frame,
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Speaker 2: things like that. And that's good, you know, because he
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Speaker 2: can use him in unique ways and in different ways
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Speaker 2: and hopefully cause the offense a little bit of you know,
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Speaker 2: confusion when you do that with those guys.
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Speaker 3: So see a lot of similarities.
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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting question. This is something that
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Speaker 1: goes back to what some of Kerry Combs talked about
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Speaker 1: after being in the NFL and then sort of having
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Speaker 1: to adjust to evaluating fourteen year olds or fifteen year
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Speaker 1: olds or sixteen year olds in high school recruiting after
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Speaker 1: having worked with thirty year old grown men in the NFL.
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Speaker 1: So we note with Matt Patricia's history in the NFL,
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Speaker 1: how do you avoid being too critical and readjust your
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Speaker 1: expectations when you're evaluating high school kids instead of thirty
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Speaker 1: year old NFL veterans.
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Speaker 2: You know, when we are at that other level, kind
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Speaker 2: of we are very critical of all of it, you know,
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Speaker 2: because there's enough body of work. You know, you can
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Speaker 2: go through and dive in not only the skill set,
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Speaker 2: but then you know, you're trying to look at football
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Speaker 2: intelligence and kind of you know, what they've learned and
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Speaker 2: how they've grown and matured. I think looking at younger
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Speaker 2: players and younger kids now you're really just looking at.
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Speaker 3: What are the physical attributes that they.
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Speaker 2: Have and then just understand the fact that like you know,
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Speaker 2: you have to teach them a lot at the game too,
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Speaker 2: which is fine, you know, and you're going to teach
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Speaker 2: them different things that you wanted to do. So just
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Speaker 2: really looking at, you know, some of the raw talent
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Speaker 2: I think has been pretty awesome, you know, and obviously
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Speaker 2: really just for myself, it's been a while since I've
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Speaker 2: watched that level of football. Just how good it's gotten,
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you have a vision of what
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Speaker 2: it looked like twenty five years ago, and I know
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Speaker 2: we're all kind of you know, we live our glory
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Speaker 2: days back then too, but the kids are way better
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Speaker 2: now than we ever were. So it's cool to kind
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Speaker 2: of watch them all that and you're trying to really project,
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Speaker 2: you know, like what do you see them being able
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Speaker 2: to do? Framework how big are they going to get?
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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes they're actually gonna increase their speed, their strength,
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Speaker 2: or power, their explosiveness. I always like to look at
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Speaker 2: little things, you know, whether it's knee bend or ankle flex.
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Speaker 2: You know, that's a big one too, you know, just
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Speaker 2: how flexible guys ankles are, their ability to bend, keep
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Speaker 2: their knees over the toes, move break transition, hip fluidity,
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Speaker 2: you know, back and forth. So just really try to
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Speaker 2: look at the raw talent of it, and then you
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Speaker 2: know you can coach the other things as far as
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Speaker 2: you know the finish, like how are they finishing on
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Speaker 2: the place, whether it's.
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Speaker 3: A dB through the pocket ball scale.
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Speaker 2: Some guys are more natural when they go up and
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Speaker 2: play the ball in space, So just trying to evaluate
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Speaker 2: that and then you know, figure out where they're going
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Speaker 2: to go as they do mature and get older and
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Speaker 2: figure out the positions that they then can help you with.
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Speaker 1: One of the young buck eyes was a chance to
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Speaker 1: particularly earn much bigger role this season is Malik Hertford.
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Speaker 1: He's one of the safeties obviously, and he's been working
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Speaker 1: with the ones some during the chances. We've had to
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Speaker 1: see that during the practice windows we've gotten to watch
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Speaker 1: so far this spring. So what is Matt Patricia see
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Speaker 1: that of Malik Hartford so far the spring.
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Speaker 3: I think he's had a great spring.
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Speaker 2: I mean really go back to the weight room and
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Speaker 2: what was great was I you know, when I came in,
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Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to watch him work with coach
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Speaker 2: Mick and his program and how they work. So I'm
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Speaker 2: really looking at their body movement, how do they move
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Speaker 2: how their hips and then obviously we know, you know,
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Speaker 2: position in the back end, what do we think he
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Speaker 2: can do, and how do we think he would be
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Speaker 2: going backwards in some situations and things like that. So
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Speaker 2: I think he's done a really good job of being
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Speaker 2: consistent every day training his body. He's improved a lot.
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Speaker 2: His movement has improved, his strength has improved, and you know,
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Speaker 2: he's just a student of the game. He's in here
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Speaker 2: all the time studying and learning. I really like right now,
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Speaker 2: I think that there is some flexibility for him to
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Speaker 2: be able to play down play back, has great range
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Speaker 2: kind of in that back end too, which is really good,
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Speaker 2: and now just maybe a little bit of eye control
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Speaker 2: and teaching where he's reading and kind of being able
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Speaker 2: to see through the uncovered linemen back into the quarterback
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Speaker 2: and kind of have maybe a little bit of a
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Speaker 2: football instincts and be able to jump, you know, some
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Speaker 2: of the things that he sees back there to you know, go.
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Speaker 3: Play those plays faster.
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Speaker 2: But his work and his consistency with the way that
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Speaker 2: he approaches it, it's really been awesome, Like he's really
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Speaker 2: he's he's done a great job.
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Speaker 1: One of the areas where there's been a ton of
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Speaker 1: questions about this year's Ohio State team. Is the depth
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Speaker 1: on the defensive line feels like it feel pretty good
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Speaker 1: about the starting four and after that, well some question
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Speaker 1: marks at least. So when you're figuring out who can
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Speaker 1: play where and how many guys you have, and you know,
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Speaker 1: is it enough for a sixteen game season, how do
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Speaker 1: you evaluate that, you know, shuffling guys between positions, who
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Speaker 1: can play where, all that kind of stuff, how do
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Speaker 1: you evaluate that to know whether you really have enough
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Speaker 1: depth to get through a full sixteen potentially game season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's a good question too. Just obviously
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Speaker 2: minuteness to to the you know, the college schedule, but
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm used to kind of those sixteen game seasons,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the longer season, So I do think
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Speaker 2: that depth is critical and just finding out exactly what
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Speaker 2: roles those guys can play within the defensive line. So
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Speaker 2: having some flexibility to be able to move guys around,
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Speaker 2: and even when another guy comes in, understanding what his
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Speaker 2: skill set is and maybe that changes something structurally, you
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Speaker 2: know that you do to be able to try to
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Speaker 2: fit what his skill set is a little bit better
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Speaker 2: so that you can pull off some of those reps
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Speaker 2: off the other guys to you know, have better longevity
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Speaker 2: through this season.
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Speaker 3: So that I think that's really important.
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Speaker 2: I think it's important early, you know, I think it's
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Speaker 2: important now too, you know, to see that what they
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Speaker 2: can do, so we can figure out what they do
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Speaker 2: well and then make sure we're they're in those positions.
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Speaker 2: I think you can have depth, but sometimes if you
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Speaker 2: get guys out of position, you know, they might be
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Speaker 2: a good player, but if they're not in the right position,
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Speaker 2: then it doesn't look as good.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's our job as.
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Speaker 2: Coaches to try to figure that out exactly what that is,
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Speaker 2: so that when we do get it midway through the
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Speaker 2: season and we need different guys in different spots, we're like, no, no,
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Speaker 2: remember this guy is really good here. Let's structurally maybe
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Speaker 2: do this instead this week or you know, for this
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Speaker 2: game or whatever it might be, so that we do
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Speaker 2: continually have that depth.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia has spent the last twenty or so year
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Speaker 1: years coaching in the NFL. So now what's that transition
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Speaker 1: now bave been back to the college level into Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: What has that been like and what has he been
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Speaker 1: doing to sort of get up the speed with life
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Speaker 1: as a college coach.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's obviously awesome just to be able to
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Speaker 2: come here, you know. I mean I have such respect
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Speaker 2: for Ohio State, and you know, obviously a great year
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Speaker 2: last year and coach Day and the program and the
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Speaker 2: culture that he's built.
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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan, been a big fan for a
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Speaker 3: long time.
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Speaker 2: You know. We come here all the time when you're
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Speaker 2: at the next level and you're grabbing a lot of
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Speaker 2: really good players out of the school, so you're very
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Speaker 2: familiar with that. I think for me, I'm just, like
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Speaker 2: I said maybe before, like I'm just excited, you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm just I just want to teach and I want
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Speaker 2: to mentor. But really right now, I've got to learn,
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Speaker 2: you know, I got to listen. I've got to learn.
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Speaker 2: I got to try to, you know, understand what all
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Speaker 2: the great coaches that are here, what they're doing fundamentally,
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Speaker 2: and then things that we did last year structurally that
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Speaker 2: are really good, and you know, implement all that as
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Speaker 2: we go forward and just try to do the best
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Speaker 2: job back to teach, you know, I think that's my
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Speaker 2: job right now, is that with what we're doing and
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Speaker 2: when I see it, you know, be able to teach
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Speaker 2: it and get it across to the players and the coaches.
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Speaker 2: But you know, right now, I feel like I'm the student,
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Speaker 2: you know. I'm just kind of learning and trying to
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Speaker 2: take in as much as I can and then really
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Speaker 2: trying to learn the kids, you know, trying to learn,
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Speaker 2: you know, their backgrounds and where they're from and what.
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Speaker 3: Do they want. You know.
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Speaker 2: I think that's really important, you know, so that I
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Speaker 2: can be that mentor and that teacher and help them,
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Speaker 2: you know, along whatever whatever path that is for them,
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Speaker 2: you know, and constantly try to encourage them to you know,
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Speaker 2: to do all that stuff that they have to do
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Speaker 2: every day and be consistent with it.
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Speaker 1: One of the big adjustments from the NFL to college
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Speaker 1: is now as a college coach, you've got to recruit.
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Speaker 1: So what has recruiting been like so far now that
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Speaker 1: they've sort of started to not only have conversations with guys,
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Speaker 1: but have guys visiting guys on campus talking to people
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Speaker 1: like has that been a big adjustment for Matt Patricia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a little while for me on that deal.
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Speaker 2: So's it's really cool. I mean, the whole thing is
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Speaker 2: like completely changed, right, you know. I mean, I think
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Speaker 2: there's so much coming at these guys so fast. I
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Speaker 2: kind of feel for them sometimes, you know, And I
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Speaker 2: think for me, my approach is just I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: be as direct as I can and as honest with
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Speaker 2: him as I can, and you know, just help them
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Speaker 2: evaluate what I see and how do they get better
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Speaker 2: and then you know, visions for us going forward and
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Speaker 2: how we would be able to implement that. But I
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Speaker 2: really do enjoy sitting down, you know, right now in
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Speaker 2: the initial phases. I think a lot of them because
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Speaker 2: they have been you know, they've been recruited by a
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Speaker 2: house state for a while, so a lot of that
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Speaker 2: process is just getting to know my story a little
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Speaker 2: bit and getting to know me.
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Speaker 3: But at the same time, you know.
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Speaker 2: Understanding and learning the player and learning the kid and
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Speaker 2: what he's been through and what you know, kind of
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Speaker 2: his journey a little bit is important in the family
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Speaker 2: and all of that, and it's just kind of building
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Speaker 2: that relationship.
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Speaker 3: I think that's the coolest part right now.
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Speaker 2: And you know, again, like college is great mentoring young men,
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Speaker 2: but then to you know, then project that into the
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Speaker 2: high school level. You know, like I said, my parents
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Speaker 2: are teachers, and my dad, you know, he did that
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Speaker 2: a lot too, So just trying to keep his voice
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Speaker 2: in my head a little bit, you know, and understanding,
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Speaker 2: you know, these are young kids, and and really, again,
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Speaker 2: like I said, there's just a lot coming at him.
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Speaker 2: I think, so listening is really imporant, and then you know,
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Speaker 2: just building that relationship with them.
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Speaker 1: This is one of the questions that I think everyone
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Speaker 1: sort of had when they heard that longtime NFL coach
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia was coming to Ohio State. So you're jumping
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Speaker 1: from the NFL to college. I think it would be
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Speaker 1: very natural for people to see that as a little
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Speaker 1: bit of a step down. So why was that a
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Speaker 1: move it was appealing to him?
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Speaker 3: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm very blessed for my NFL career. I
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Speaker 2: was really really lucky, you know. I mean, I've.
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Speaker 3: Coached great, great players. I had a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: But I think, like I mentioned before, you know, I
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Speaker 2: think it just I started off as a college coach.
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Speaker 2: I think that was where people really impacted me as
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Speaker 2: a young man. And I think as a coach, you know,
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Speaker 2: we want to teach, we want to mentor, and that's
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Speaker 2: what we want to do, and you know, this is
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Speaker 2: a great opportunity for me to get back to that.
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Speaker 2: I think it's really important right now just to you know,
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Speaker 2: teach the game. And I know I can help them,
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Speaker 2: you know, I know I can help the kids and
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Speaker 2: if they want to go to the next level, I
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Speaker 2: can give them a lot of good advice. But I
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Speaker 2: mean it's Ohio State, this is you know, this is
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Speaker 2: the top. So I mean I'm pretty lucky to be here.
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Speaker 2: And again, it's a great game, the kids are great,
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Speaker 2: So I just I think of it as just a
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Speaker 2: great opportunity to go coach, and that's really what I
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Speaker 2: want to do.
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Speaker 1: Matt Patricia, of course, won three Super Bowls as an
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Speaker 1: assistant under Bill Belichick with the New England Patriots, so
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Speaker 1: he's familiar with what it takes to deal with the
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Speaker 1: aftermath of winning a championship and then having to turn
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Speaker 1: around and then start preparing for the next season with
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Speaker 1: you know, with the Patriots in that case and then
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Speaker 1: with this key in this case with the Buckeye. So
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Speaker 1: what has he learned from doing that before? Now? I
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Speaker 1: thought this was a great question and an even better answer.
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Speaker 2: I would say, in my previous experience. You know, I
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Speaker 2: think one of the biggest things to try to always
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Speaker 2: get everybody understands the urgency which you need to come
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Speaker 2: back at. And we would always say it, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're just behind, We're behind everybody else, everybody else got
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Speaker 2: to jump start everbody's a little bit further ahead, and
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Speaker 2: just try to create that urgency of what's happening right
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Speaker 2: now for you know, our team, Like we've got to
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Speaker 2: really you know, be intentional about everything we do.
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Speaker 3: We've got to have great urgency.
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Speaker 2: We've got to rest, we've got to recover, we got
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Speaker 2: to do everything from you know, the body, but just
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Speaker 2: that mindset of like we it's going to happen fast,
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Speaker 2: like the office is going to be shorter, We're going
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Speaker 2: to be back in it before you note it. And
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Speaker 2: you know, we can't make up that time. So how
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Speaker 2: do we if we have the mentality a little bit
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Speaker 2: like we're behind everybody else, how do we catch up?
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Speaker 3: You know? What do we do?
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Speaker 2: And that's that consistency and that urgency I think is
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Speaker 2: a big part of it. And you know I always
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Speaker 2: tell the guys too, you know, when you when you
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Speaker 2: reach the top of that mountain, you know in this.
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Speaker 2: You know, House States always had a big target, but
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Speaker 2: like there's a there's a huge target on who you are,
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Speaker 2: and everybody now is going to spend the off season studying.
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Speaker 3: Every facet of what you do.
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Speaker 2: So you have six months you know that team is
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Speaker 2: going to be studying you during the off season. So
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Speaker 2: even if you don't play that team till middle of
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Speaker 2: the season, Okay, we've got four days to get ready
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Speaker 2: for them. They've spent six months getting ready for us,
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Speaker 2: So that urgency has to go up to understand, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, we've got to catch up to where they are.
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Speaker 2: Kind of in the reverse study.
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Speaker 1: Patricia has talked about the defense being multiple and be
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Speaker 1: having guys that can do different stuff and different answers
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Speaker 1: for different different challenges that deposing offense might be able
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Speaker 1: to pose. So how important is the nickel position in
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Speaker 1: that and how does he see guys maybe fitting in
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Speaker 1: together there in that spot.
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Speaker 2: I think multiplicity comes in a couple of different ways.
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Speaker 2: Nickel is huge, big nickel. You know, if you have
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Speaker 2: some of those body types. Safety position. In my past,
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Speaker 2: you know, it has always been one of those positions.
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Speaker 2: It's been fun to kind of move around and put
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Speaker 2: in different spots, especially when you have guys with a
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Speaker 2: big skill range that play that position, because I think
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Speaker 2: it makes it really hard for the offense, you know,
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Speaker 2: kind of what exactly is the defense in right now
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Speaker 2: and what can they do out of it? So I
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Speaker 2: do like the flexibility of the nickel and the big
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Speaker 2: nickel position. I think the linebackers are really you know,
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Speaker 2: critical in that too. Guys that can play on the ball,
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Speaker 2: off the ball and get into different structures that way
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Speaker 2: is fun, you know, to kind of put pressure on
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Speaker 2: the offense. I think, you know here the defensive backs
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Speaker 2: just specifically you're talking about the nickel like.
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Speaker 3: It's a great room. There's a lot of depth there.
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Speaker 2: So in that situation, I'm like, Okay, let's get as
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Speaker 2: many guys as we can in different roles to be
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Speaker 2: able to go out there and play and keep it
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Speaker 2: moving on the offense, you know, try to make them
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Speaker 2: figure out like, hey, somebody else is coming in.
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Speaker 3: Is this a different package, is a different structure, Like
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Speaker 3: it's just going to be something new.
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Speaker 2: I'm not a really sure what this looks like, you know,
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Speaker 2: and hopefully we stay ahead of them before they figure
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Speaker 2: it out. But I think the room is great tim
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Speaker 2: You know, they do a great job, Matt. They do
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Speaker 2: a great job back there of training those guys and
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Speaker 2: bringing them in and you know, they're big, they're long,
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Speaker 2: they can run. I mean, if you like defensive football,
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Speaker 2: those guys are great to watch back there. It's it's fun.
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Speaker 1: The Buck guys return just three starters on the defense,
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Speaker 1: so they're not quite starting from scratch, but they're closer
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Speaker 1: to scratch than they were than last year for sure.
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Speaker 1: So there's still a lot of talent on that defense.
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Speaker 1: So does Matt Patricia have any sense yet for what
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Speaker 1: this defense could be this year?
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Speaker 2: Man, I would hate to just do that too early
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Speaker 2: because I just didn't wasn't here last year for that.
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Speaker 2: And I have great players that are obviously, you know,
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Speaker 2: headed to the next level. But we have great young
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Speaker 2: men here right now. And what I can speak on
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Speaker 2: is just the work ethic, the drive, the consistency to
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Speaker 2: come in every day and try to get better.
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Speaker 3: That's phenomenal.
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Speaker 2: Like these guys are really they're working their butts off
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Speaker 2: right now to try to you know, get out there
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Speaker 2: and be successful and be consistent and you know, keep
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Speaker 2: the standard and and all of that. So you know,
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Speaker 2: the on field performance. Sometimes I gotta wait right now
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Speaker 2: because I didn't really see it last year until we
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Speaker 2: get to the games.
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Speaker 3: But as far as the work.
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Speaker 2: Ethic and the toughness and the you know, the mental
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Speaker 2: part of it, like, uh, it's really impressive, really impressive.
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Speaker 1: I think Matt Patricia is, you know, making an early
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Speaker 1: run at being one of those assistant coaches that we
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Speaker 1: when we see him on the schedule, gets a chance
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