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Drive Thru News #38 - We’re talkin’ $$ BIG MONEY $$ cars! · BREAK/FIX the Motorsports & Vehicle Enthusiast Variety Show

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  Hi guys, welcome to drive thru episode number 38.
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  This is our monthly recap where we put together a menu of automotive,
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  motorsport, and random car adjacent news.
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  So now let's pull up to the window number one for some automotive news.
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  William, you are doing a great job with this Halloween costume looking like Brad.
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  Look at you.
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  Doing my best.
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  Doing my best.
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  Well, I gotta thank you right up front for filling in Brad's size
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  14 loafers for him this month as he's away on paternity leave.
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  So many of you might recognize William Ross from Exotic Car Marketplace, one
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  of our veteran panelists on our What Should I Buy series here on break fixing.
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  He's been on several other episodes as a co host.
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  So I'm glad you've elevated your status and now you've come on to the drive thru.
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  So I hope you're prepared.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm working my way up the ladder, so to speak, right?
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  In honor of William Big Money Ross, we're going to talk Ferraris
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  as our showcase this month.
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  And I know that's your specialty and I hate to paint you in the corner here.
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  But what's going on in the world of Ferrari?
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  Well, the big thing that's everyone's all the scuttlebutt is this 250
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  GTO that Sotheby's is going to be auctioning off in December.
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  Obviously everyone knows these are rare bird as it is anyways.
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  And one coming up for auction, you know, is even rarer because usually they
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  always trade hands privately off market.
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  Then the last one was the 2018 that went for 48 million.
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  Everyone's kind of curious to see because this car's got a bit more of
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  a pedigree than that other one did.
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  People are paying around 60 million, 80 million, someone oh 100
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  million, which ain't gonna happen.
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  So it's gonna be interesting to see where that thing ends up at because
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  like I said it was a factory race car.
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  It was actually upgraded to 330 LMs.
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  Back, back in period, but then after that, it went back to the two 50 GTO specs,
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  so to speak, you know, obviously with engine size and whatnot, differentiating
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  between those two aesthetic wise with the hood bulge and everything like that.
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  So the key thing is that was owned and raced by the factory.
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  So that's going to add some value to it.
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  Going to closely watch that.
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  Cause not only is that dictating where the market will be after those, but
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  there's always something out there looking for one, but right now, anyone
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  that's got one, they thought about selling their wait until after that thing
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  sells because they're going to think.
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  Oh, that one's sold for this.
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  So that means mine's worth that, which as we all know, that is not the
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  case because each one of those has a different story, different histories.
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  We shall see.
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  So it's going to be great to watch, but my guess is the server will crash and
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  no one's going to be able to watch it.
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  So will this be a record setting car or.
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  Is it getting close to the record for this type of classic Ferrari?
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  It'll be a record for auction.
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  It won't be a record price because as we all know, Mr.
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  McNeil there from WeatherTech paid his 80 million for his car back
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  2016, 2015, something like that.
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  That car's pedigree was off the chart.
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  Le Mans, the whole nine yards.
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  That thing had it where it was worth it, but that thing was spectacular.
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  And he paid up for it.
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  That's what he wanted.
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  Private hand changing that 80 million mark is there, but that was leaked.
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  That was let out.
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  Who knows?
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  Maybe one sold for more.
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  No one just said anything.
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  That's that billionaires boy club mentality.
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  As far as anyone knows, 80 million is the max so far as paid for
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  a GTO public knowledge wise.
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  So what's really interesting.
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  About this is a lot more Ferraris are coming to auction, whether it's at Broad
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  Arrow, whether it's at Mecum, whether it's at Sotheby's, you're just really starting
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  to see them almost everywhere now.
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  And as we've talked to auction houses throughout this year on
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  break fix, people are like, yeah, we're listing a lot more of them.
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  More of them are coming on market.
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  And what I noticed is ever since car week.
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  F fifties have been climbing up into the auction scene more often than
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  not, you know, they're pretty rare to begin with, but you hear about
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  the F forties that are selling an auction and what they're bringing in.
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  So what's going on with the F fifties?
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  I would say, you know, I mean, that's basically the last analog
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  six speed manual V12 Ferrari.
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  The Enzo that came after that was a very big technological leap in
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  regards to the vehicle itself.
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  You know, it's that edge, you know, what you have on your wall as a kid.
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  Purchasers, that age range creeping into, now that's the car they have.
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  Wasn't the F40, it's the F50 that they all kind of lusted after.
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  Especially being on the total build on those was 349, whereas
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  your F40s, there was over 1300.
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  If you go to buy an original U.
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  S.
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  market car, but you're gonna be paying probably 5 million, plain and simple.
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  European one, you might be down to, you know, 4 million in that range.
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  The demand's there and it was, it's a rare bird.
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  Gorgeous car.
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  It's, it's not crazy hard to drive.
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  You know, it's pretty easy.
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  I would say easy.
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  It's not anything nuts to try and drive on the street, drive on the road.
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  You know, it's a lot of fun.
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  Just going to keep going up in value.
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  So it's one of those deals where, Hey, they didn't make that many
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  and a lot of people want it.
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  So supply and demand.
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  And this one that we're talking about here is also at Sotheby's
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  and there's a high probability it's going to be eclipsed by the two 50
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  that we were just talking about.
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  But in terms of rarity, Out of the 349 that were built, this one is one of 30 in
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  yellow, making it even more special, if you will, if you like the mustard over the
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  ketchup shade of paint for the fifties.
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  That's that unique barrette yellow.
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  You wasn't all that hot of a color.
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  He had the person that wants something different besides red.
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  Few high profile collectors out there.
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  I won't name one, but he deals a lot in watches and jewelry
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  out there in the west coast.
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  You can probably figure out what I'm talking about.
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  Created his yellow collection.
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  All of a sudden he did that.
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  Everyone else wanted to have a yellow collection.
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  They started going through the roof too, in regards to desirability, because
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  you know, everyone's just plays follow the leader, but I think it looks great
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  in yellow, would I pay a premium?
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  Eh, not really.
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  I mean, you can always get a car painted, get it wrapped in that color.
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  You know, it's all personal preference.
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  Well, since we're still talking about older classic and vintage Ferraris, you
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  actually recently started a new segment on exotic car marketplace called provenance.
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  And so I wanted to give you an opportunity to tell people what
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  that series is about and what you're trying to convey about Ferraris.
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  Depending on what your level of knowledge is on the older Enzo era Ferraris.
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  If you go back and look, they were making thousands and thousands.
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  They made 50 of this, 80 of that, a hundred of this.
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  They had a lot of different models, but not only the models, but they
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  also had different manufacturers doing the bodies for them.
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  Pininfarina, Bowano.
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  So you had all these little nuances to each car that made them just that much
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  different depending on who built it.
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  All of a sudden you have the main car, then you got a subset and
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  a subset going through these.
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  Trying to educate everyone in regards to, Hey, you have a two 50 GTE got
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  the coupe, but Hey, they made so many variations of that car, body style,
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  engine style, everything like that.
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  There's all these variations to it and all these little nuances.
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  You really got to do a deep dive.
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  If you really want to get into it.
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  But it's just trying to make people aware that, Hey, you know, they didn't just
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  make that one, Hey, it was a two 50 GT.
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  That's it.
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  And there was subset ones, five, six different sub models and
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  manufacturers of the body and just little things here and there.
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  Then you got your special versions of it that, Hey, people with deep pockets
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  had built that they, they liked that.
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  So they built a couple more.
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  So it's just trying to get people to realize that that's a beautiful thing
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  about Ferrari is it was artesian.
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  He built those cars.
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  To support his racing.
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  He wasn't like saying, Oh, I got to mass produce this thing
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  and make 10, 000 of these.
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  So we got to make it so production and everything like that's, Hey, we're down
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  to the final penny, all this stuff.
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  No.
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  Yeah, they made their money on it, but they were doing it
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  more for just the beauty of the car and getting it out there.
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  And to this day, it's the same mindset.
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  He chose who he wanted to buy his cars.
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  It wasn't just, you went down and, Hey, I'll buy it.
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  It's like, Hey, did you meet the qualifications?
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  Especially in the earlier days, you know, he was basically on the phone calling.
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  Hey, I'm going to let you buy a car from me.
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  It wasn't someone come to you.
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  Hey, I want to buy a car.
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  You know, he's all the way around.
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  I'll let you buy a car for me.
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  Imagine having that kind of power, owning a car company,
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  saying I'll pick and choose.
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  You got some of them do it.
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  I'll let you have Koenigsegg, Pagani, those guys, you know, they can pretty
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  much kind of pick and choose who they want to have own their cars.
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  They hold on to them for two months and they resell them.
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  And then it's just like, no holds barred, but you do a deep dive on it.
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  I'm reading a book now.
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  It should have grass.
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  We show it to that really kind of goes through all the cars from the
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  beginning to about mid seventies.
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  I mean, it really, really gets into it pretty in depth in regards to
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  all the models and different stuff.
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  And if you're a nerd or a geek guy, like we are in regards to reading it.
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  A layman would probably look at it and get bored after reading three pages.
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  But you know, you get into it, man.
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  It's just all the nooks and crannies.
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  And it's just, it's a fabulous book.
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  Well, what I like about what you're doing with the provenance series, and
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  I want to give a little nod and maybe some credit and a spoiler alert to an
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  upcoming, what should I buy episode that you were on where we sort of went far
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  field and started geeking out about.
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  Replicas versus the real thing and Ferrari Californias, aka
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  the Ferris Bueller Ferrari.
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  And then you were talking about the big headlight, the little headlight, the
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  caged headlight, the covered headlight.
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  You're like, there's all these variations.
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  Which California are you talking about?
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  And so I kind of found it funny timing wise that provenance
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  came out soon after that.
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  And I definitely understand where you're going because there are those
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  little nuances and it is kind of fun.
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  To dig deeper into the Ferraris because, you know, some people say I
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  saw one Ferrari, I've seen them all.
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  And really that's not true.
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  No, not a hundred percent.
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  Right.
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  It's when you really start digging into it, you start
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  realizing each one's different.
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  You're like, I was just down in Tennessee the other weekend, similar.
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  Hey, it was that model, but there was all those little differences.
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  And it's fun when you have other people stand around that realize they aren't
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  into Ferrari, but you know, they love the car because they love what it is.
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  But then you start talking to them about the little things like, Oh, wow.
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  Oh, really?
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  Oh, wow.
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  Oh, so that's the, you know, you really start teaching and you can just see their
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  eyes light up because it creates that interest level where, you know, they're
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  going to go back and start looking at it more and you really start diving deep
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  into the brand itself, which is fantastic.
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  When we turn the page.
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  And start talking about modern Ferraris, like the 296 and the Puro Sangue, and
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  some of the other concepts that have come out in the last couple of years.
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  Are they as bespoke as they used to be?
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  And what are your thoughts on some of the new cars?
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  Bespoke to the point of, Hey, I'll pick my colors.
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  Paint the sample like Porsche, right?
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  I mean, that's about it.
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  I mean, yeah, obviously you have that crazy ass options list to go nuts
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  on where you could spend it on, you know, just as much on the cars as you
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  can on options, but bespoke is kind of a broad term in regards to it.
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  You know, you get some people that just do some stupid, stupid things with colors
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  and whatnot, because they want to have one on one and green interior, pink exterior,
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  doing something really crazy like that.
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  I mean, they'll let you do it.
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  Cause if you got the checkbook, they don't care, but like getting like
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  true bespoke, it's just not there.
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  I mean, all it is is just an options list.
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  Is what it boils down to.
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  There was a lot of talk about the Purosaga, which is the Ferrari
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  SUV, and then it sort of got quiet.
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  Is that thing going into production?
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  Has it gone into production?
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  Or are we just supposed to forget about it?
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  No, no, it's into production.
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  I think they're starting to do the deliveries in Europe, not until
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  end of 2024 for the United States.
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  I think there's a couple on the ground.
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  You're not going to see them because all those restrictions they put on it
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  in regards to reselling and everything like that, because if you were on the
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  list and you got picked and you were able to buy one and order one, they're going
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  to have all the restrictions in regards to what you can and can't do with it
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  in regards to reselling and all that, because if you get blacklisted, then
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  forget it, you're never going to be able to get another special car like that.
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  You know, everything you read about it.
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  I mean, I'd love to drive it.
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  I think it looks great.
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  It's kind of separates itself apart.
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  Now you say SUV, but I mean, really it's just a tall station wagon is all
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  it really is, you know, they cleaned it up from say the FF, what that wasn't the
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  GT for Lusa, which is just butt ugly.
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  It's a nice car, man.
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  I like to drive it.
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  Kudos to them for coming out with the V12 right out of the gate and says, Hey,
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  we're going to stuff the 296 motor in there with the V6 twin turbo, which,
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  which I mean, you're still going to get obscene horsepower, but no, Hey,
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  let's go true V12, put that in there.
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  That could be one thing that's slowing things down a bit, but supposedly.
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  They're limiting how many they're going to build because that's
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  what everyone's talking about.
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  Oh, this is going to take him to over 15, 000 cars a year or 20, 000 cars.
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  Yeah.
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  They'll sell as many as they can build.
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  Like Porsche with the Cayenne got that blue with their sales
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  numbers out of the water.
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  They're like limiting how many they're going to build.
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  So it'll be interesting to see because stakeholders and money talk more than
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  say, tradition and say, limiting that.
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  So, you know, they're going to get on the board and say, wait a minute.
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  I can get $8 million instead of $4 million if we just triple production.
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  Triple production money talks.
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  Now the 2 96, on the other hand, a lot of us were privy to it in race trim
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  before seeing the actual street card.
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  This year it's showing at the Rolex 24 hours wasn't as great as people expected.
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  People were thinking that the 2, 9 6 was gonna come out of the box.
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  And be faster than the 488 GT3, which it really wasn't.
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  Unlike the 499X, which just blew everybody away.
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  The 296 was sort of like a want want, but they've been
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  refining it throughout the year.
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  I got the opportunity to see the street version at Car Week this year.
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  And I tell you what, at first glance, I wasn't sure what I was looking at.
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  Because it shares some similar qualities to, let's say, the NSX.
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  To the Ford GT, the one that just exited a couple of years ago, but then you look
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  at it and you're like, I can see the Dino.
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  I can see the three Oh eight.
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  I can see the heritage in it.
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  It's nice to not be that evolved three 60, four 30 look that's been
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  going on for quite a long time.
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  I like how they kind of went backwards a little bit.
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  And I want to see more of those cars on the road.
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  And I want to see it succeed in racing.
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  And we'll talk about that here in a second too.
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  So I wanted to get your thoughts, your pulse on the market
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  with respect to the two 96.
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  I think it's a gorgeous car.
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  Of course, I mean, our entry level cars, 400, 000.
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  I think it's great.
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  You know, smaller, more nimble.
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  That motor's phenomenal for what they're getting out of it.
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  No lag, no nut.
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  And I, you know, I have yet to have the opportunity to drive one, but
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  yeah, I think it's an outstanding car.
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  I mean, to hit it out of the park with it.
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  They're selling like crazy.
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  And a lot of people thought, well, it's the baby Ferrari or just, Hey,
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  it's like how the Dino was, was a real Ferrari, that kind of stuff.
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  But no, I think they did a phenomenal job with it, you know, because you race
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  is on that rare occasion, they're going to come out of the gate and that car is
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  going to just nail it and be balls quick, but it takes a long time to develop a car
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  and get it going where it needs to be.
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  Well, and not only that, the balance of performance, the way they figured
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  that out, we were seeing just this huge discrepancy where it seemed almost
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  unfair, like as an example, the iron dame's Lamborghini Huracan couldn't come
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  out of the pocket or keep up with a 911.
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  I'm like, even in real life, the Lamborghini is quicker than the 911.
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  What is going on?
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  Like did they disconnect?
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  Four of the cylinders didn't make any sense.
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  . So if they were carrying over BOP rules from last season onto a new
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  car, or the BOP rules that apply to the 4 88, to the 2 9 6, well, you
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  went from AV eight to a twin turbo six, none of this stuff equates out.
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  So it's been a rebuilding year for Ferrari.
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  I just went to Petit Le Mans, I gotta say, I was happy to not see
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  the 488 still out in the field because earlier this year, they were
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  campaigning both cars at the same time.
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  And you're like, the 296 is losing to the 488.
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  This is ridiculous.
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  Overall, they actually did really well, surprisingly well in GTLM,
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  whatever class you want to call it now, because they keep changing their mind.
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  It took third overall in the championship with Reesey
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  competizione and fifth with AF Corsa.
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  That's not bad in the production based GT car classes.
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  And even at petite, which this year was exciting.
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  There was a lot of drama, breakdowns, wrecks within the last 10 minutes
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  of the race, things like that.
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  They placed sixth and ninth and I'm like.
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  That's not terrible for a brand new car.
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  That's very respectable.
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  Very respectable.
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  The one big thing is we all know is they won a Le Mans overall.
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  So everything else subsequently that's coming after that is,
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  Hey, yeah, they'll figure it out.
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  What now?
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  Hey, we still, we won Le Mans.
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  So, I mean, I say they're getting a pass.
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  That was very respectable showing on their part.
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  It takes time, development dollars.
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  Luckily, they have multiple teams running the cars.
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  You have all that input going and it'll get there.
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  So it's interesting to see Tom.
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  Daytona in January, how it all plays out.
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  They have all winter to work on it.
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  For sure.
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  And the classing between WEC and IMSA is getting tighter as well.
• 16:29
  So there's going to be room for the 499 to participate in more of the
• 16:33
  IMSA series throughout next season.
• 16:35
  So I'm hoping to see the 499 at Rolex, not just Sebring, right?
• 16:40
  Where they chose to come out.
• 16:41
  After the first race and crush everybody and then disappear for the rest of
• 16:45
  the season, but also see them go to petite, maybe go to the Glen, maybe
• 16:48
  go to VIR, some of the bigger tracks and stretch the legs of the 499 here.
• 16:53
  Stateside.
• 16:54
  Yeah.
• 16:54
  And I know Audi had a propensity to do the same thing in the early days with the R8.
• 16:59
  They come here, use petite as like a test race or they do something else.
• 17:02
  So they were preparing for Lamont, but it would have been nice to see the 499
• 17:06
  at the season finale and just come out and add even more drama to that race.
• 17:10
  But yeah.
• 17:10
  There's next year too.
• 17:12
  So switching gears a little bit, I want to talk about something you and
• 17:17
  Mark have mentioned several times on previous, what should I buy episodes?
• 17:21
  And that's six speed swapping some of the four series, like the four, five,
• 17:26
  eight, four thirties and so on Ferraris.
• 17:29
  And that's becoming more popular.
• 17:31
  And there's some conversion kits out there.
• 17:32
  Is that right?
• 17:33
  Your main one to get it done.
• 17:35
  If you want it done correctly, cause they spent, I don't know how many years
• 17:37
  it was reverse engineering, engineering.
• 17:39
  It is EAG down in Texas.
• 17:41
  You know, they sell the kit, but I mean, if you really want it done yet,
• 17:44
  you send it to your car there, but you know, it's about a year, year and a
• 17:47
  half wait list, obviously they've made a lot more manuals in three 60, but
• 17:50
  like in a four 30, it was a lot less.
• 17:52
  But that transmission that was in there, they just hooked up the
• 17:55
  hydraulic stuff to be able to do it.
• 17:57
  So it's not that big of an ask to revert it back to a manual.
• 18:01
  That's similar to the SMG BMWs.
• 18:06
  Correct.
• 18:07
  Exactly.
• 18:07
  That was good.
• 18:07
  Yeah.
• 18:08
  If I can bring it up because you're seeing that.
• 18:10
  A bit more too now because cost savings and whatnot, you know,
• 18:13
  trying to find a factory manual E46 M3 wise, depending on mileage.
• 18:18
  I mean, you could be mid thirties up to mid 60s, 70s, you know, depending
• 18:21
  on mileage and whatnot on it.
• 18:23
  But no, you look at a factory manual for 30 right now with decent, say low miles.
• 18:29
  You're 300, 000, 350, 000.
• 18:32
  I was looking at one the other day and it was oddly enough, yellow, 50, 000 miles.
• 18:37
  F430 factory manual asking 250, 000, 50, 000 miles on it.
• 18:41
  So, I mean, that tells you where they're going value wise.
• 18:43
  Now you look at a 360 factory manual, you're about 150 to 175.
• 18:48
  I mean, those are creeping up, but you got such a performance jump.
• 18:51
  Between the 360 to 430 hundred horsepower torque, everything.
• 18:55
  I mean, it's just, it's a big leap in, especially in going from belts to
• 18:59
  chains and everything in the motor.
• 19:00
  So your service thing's a lot different and everything like that.
• 19:03
  Say you find a 430 with F1 training, 50, 000 miles, you
• 19:07
  might be at a hundred, 110 grand.
• 19:09
  So what you can do EAG cost you 40, 000, bam, for 150 grand, you got
• 19:14
  yourself a manual 430 that a factory one was going to cost you 200, 000 more.
• 19:19
  If you're going into it to buy it as an investment, yeah, you want
• 19:22
  to buy the factory one because it's just going to go up in value, but
• 19:25
  I haven't driven a swap one yet.
• 19:27
  But they say it's actually almost better than the factory.
• 19:30
  It's tighter.
• 19:31
  It's just engineered better and how they did it.
• 19:34
  Because again, no, you're taking technology that was done 2006, 2009.
• 19:38
  It did the last factory manual for 30.
• 19:40
  I think they only did four or three or something like that that year.
• 19:43
  But you have all that time to better componentry, better materials, everything
• 19:47
  that to engineer and get it in there.
• 19:49
  So they say it actually, the feel and that's a lot tighter and better.
• 19:53
  I would say investment wise, Hey, yeah, you're going to buy a factory one, but
• 19:56
  if you want to drive your car, why not?
• 19:57
  It shouldn't matter.
• 19:58
  And if it's going to be the same, if not better performance
• 20:00
  wise, get a swap one and do it.
• 20:02
  Because even though a swap, when you get out there, buy one high mileage,
• 20:05
  you get it done, you go out and buy when it's already done, you know, Hey,
• 20:08
  you're still one 60 to 200, obviously depending on mileage, colors, that
• 20:13
  kind of stuff, so you're still way, way cheaper than buying a factory manual car.
• 20:18
  Makes sense to me.
• 20:19
  It's a car you want to drive and enjoy it.
• 20:21
  I'd love to be in the position where I got so much money, where, okay,
• 20:24
  I'm going to buy that car and let it sit in the corner because it's
• 20:26
  just going to appreciate in value.
• 20:27
  I'll drive it once a year, drive it two miles.
• 20:29
  I get something like that, I'm driving the thing.
• 20:31
  What's interesting is you don't see it hardly, is with Lamborghini.
• 20:35
  That's true.
• 20:35
  Their e gear transmission is horrendous.
• 20:38
  But, you know, I'm amazed that you don't really hear more about someone
• 20:42
  swapping Lamborghini ones, because it shouldn't be too difficult.
• 20:47
  I mean, cause shit, you could probably just go buy a wrecked
• 20:49
  R8 tranny and dump it in there.
• 20:51
  It shouldn't be that difficult to engineer that to redo it.
• 20:53
  Cause it's the same thing as a Ferrari.
• 20:55
  It's a single clutch.
• 20:56
  They rigged it up to be able to use it.
• 20:58
  It wasn't a full blown double clutch, everything like that.
• 21:01
  But I think it's going to be a lot more prevalent, especially in the Ferraris.
• 21:05
  They did the 360, then they went to the 430 because obviously those are
• 21:08
  the most, I guess, say abundant, but you're starting to see the 612s.
• 21:12
  The other one is the 599.
• 21:14
  They only built 20 factory manual 599s.
• 21:17
  And right now you're probably getting close to probably
• 21:19
  easing 800 to a million dollars.
• 21:21
  I think the last one was earlier this year, one sold
• 21:24
  for 700 something at auction.
• 21:26
  Obviously they're not out there.
• 21:28
  And again, it's going to be a situation.
• 21:30
  You spend that kind of money, you buy it, they ain't going to drive it.
• 21:32
  They're parked it in a corner.
• 21:33
  But hey, you do that swap through EAG, you got yourself a manual.
• 21:37
  You see quite a few of them out there and become more prevalent.
• 21:39
  You know, and I don't know, people watching Hoobie's Garage, like
• 21:41
  he just bought his, you know, hey, that thing's fantastic.
• 21:44
  And you've seen a few other ones.
• 21:45
  That car itself is gorgeous.
• 21:46
  You know, driving it's phenomenal.
• 21:48
  You got your 550s.
• 21:50
  More factory manuals, but 575s again not top of my head, but there were very few
• 21:54
  575 factory manuals built So they're doing swaps because again, that's a phenomenal
• 21:59
  car to drive for an engine v12 great tour.
• 22:01
  It's a great great car It's just baffling thinking about it that they started
• 22:05
  reducing the manuals and everyone's oh, I want this I want you to let me pedal
• 22:08
  box, but now it wants the manual and I'm waiting for Ferrari to do a limited
• 22:13
  production of, say, 25 cars of actually building a factory manual, whatever.
• 22:18
  Build a new car, put a six speed, seven speed in it, or whatever.
• 22:22
  I'm waiting for that day because that demand's there and someone just will
• 22:25
  have to give them a blank check and then Ferrari will fill out the amount.
• 22:28
  Because I would think that the demand there is so high, the opportunity to
• 22:32
  make gobs of money is just too enticing.
• 22:35
  Not to take us down another...
• 22:37
  Bucatini hole.
• 22:38
  But I wonder how many of these swaps are really challengers that have been
• 22:42
  wrecked after cars and coffee, right?
• 22:44
  How many of those Tremec six speeds bolt up to Ferraris, right?
• 22:48
  It's all Stellantis now.
• 22:49
  It's all one big happy family since 2013.
• 22:52
  So really curious how much of that's going on without being
• 22:55
  said and things like that.
• 22:56
  But we'll put a pin in that and maybe talk about it another time.
• 22:59
  So another section on the show, and we'll give a little teaser
• 23:02
  here, is to Lost and Found.
• 23:04
  I recently came across something I think you would appreciate, William.
• 23:07
  I was at Petit Le Mans, and I almost missed the opportunity, because I had
• 23:11
  it on my list of things to grab before I left, and I stopped by a vintage book
• 23:15
  stand that was there, and of all things sitting on the shelf, a bargain find!
• 23:19
  The biography of Enzo Ferrari.
• 23:22
  As written by Brock Yates.
• 23:24
  Oh, I bought that.
• 23:25
  And it was a whopping 10 bucks.
• 23:28
  10 bucks?
• 23:29
  That's it?
• 23:29
  That's it.
• 23:30
  It was awesome.
• 23:31
  The deal.
• 23:31
  That's a steal.
• 23:32
  Yeah, for 10, that's big.
• 23:34
  I think that mine was 20 something.
• 23:35
  I bought that one, Brock.
• 23:36
  The first one I read.
• 23:38
  It was more of a love letter to Enzo, the person that wrote it, kind
• 23:41
  of glossing over his other stuff.
• 23:43
  But the one from Brock is supposed to be just like, hey, he doesn't hold back
• 23:47
  and he really tells it was his style.
• 23:48
  Yep.
• 23:49
  I'm finishing up that other book, then I'm gonna start on that thing,
• 23:52
  because I'm excited to read it.
• 23:53
  Because Brock really, hey, he tells it like it is, it's supposed
• 23:55
  to be really, really good.
• 23:56
  Well, talking of other things that were recently found, what
• 23:59
  about the original Abandoned?
• 24:02
  Testarossa factory that still remains in place.
• 24:05
  Complete time capsule.
• 24:06
  Watching that video.
• 24:07
  I don't know if it's an Italian thing or what.
• 24:10
  It must be a European thing because it's like, they stop production and just, hey,
• 24:13
  they lock the door and just walk away.
• 24:15
  Because you look at what's in there.
• 24:17
  I mean, shit.
• 24:17
  I mean, it looks like, hey.
• 24:19
  20, 30 million, you get that thing operating back as a top notch factor
• 24:22
  again, you would think some of these companies out there, especially the
• 24:26
  history behind what was built there, gorgeous building, great location.
• 24:30
  I mean, it wouldn't take all that much to get it back up and
• 24:32
  going, but it's just baffling.
• 24:34
  That's like, they basically end of the shift.
• 24:37
  Everyone walked out, they locked the door and said, see ya, didn't come back.
• 24:40
  And we talked about that a little bit on the what should I buy Italian cars
• 24:43
  episode, where it's sort of like, well we built three of them, we're good, we
• 24:46
  achieved what we needed to, and then we'll move on to the next thing, right?
• 24:50
  You know, back in the early 1900s and whatnot, you know, hey man, they
• 24:53
  refurbished it, they used it, they kept those things for a hundred years,
• 24:56
  but to your point, hey, we're going to spend a hundred million dollars.
• 24:59
  Hey, we've built five, 10 cars.
• 25:01
  We're good.
• 25:02
  Close the doors.
• 25:02
  We'll go build another one down the road.
• 25:04
  And it's just, I've seen the amount of money spent on us.
• 25:07
  Build it, then leave it.
• 25:08
  It's just baffling.
• 25:09
  You think someone would repurpose it for something automotive
• 25:13
  related, especially because Of who it was owned by, by Pininfarina.
• 25:16
  I mean, come on.
• 25:17
  And you're seeing it too, like, with car dealerships are going the same route
• 25:21
  in regards to just going to build a new one and leaving the old one there.
• 25:25
  And we're going to talk about that in a little bit too.
• 25:27
  So, it's kind of funny, we look back over time to talk about Ferrari.
• 25:31
  If you were a fan of HBO's Entourage, almost as a joke, They foreshadowed
• 25:37
  the coming of the Enzo movie, since we're talking about Enzo and his
• 25:40
  biography, we all kind of laughed it off.
• 25:42
  Oh, you know, he's doing his, you know, Aquaman thing and this and that.
• 25:45
  It's really not about this Ferrari movie, but they kept talking about it.
• 25:48
  And here we are.
• 25:49
  Geez, on the precipice of maybe 20 years later, right?
• 25:52
  That entourage has been on the air.
• 25:53
  And they're actually going to do it.
• 25:55
  Michael Mann is putting together the Ferrari movie and the
• 25:58
  official trailer is out, right?
• 25:59
  Adam Driver is going to play Enzo.
• 26:01
  We joked about that in the past too, sort of like, is he now the token old
• 26:05
  Italian guy after doing House of Gucci and all the rest of these movies?
• 26:09
  But watching that trailer, I'm kind of excited.
• 26:12
  I haven't been to the movie theater in a while to go out.
• 26:15
  At Christmas and check it out.
• 26:16
  If they do an IMAX, that'd be awesome, just to hear those cars.
• 26:19
  Following it while they're doing the filming of it, because like
• 26:21
  Patrick Dempsey did some driving.
• 26:23
  You know, they got Justin Bell.
• 26:24
  I'm trying to remember who else they got, but they got some decent guys
• 26:26
  to drive, you know, and they got their hands on some legit machinery.
• 26:30
  Michael Mann's a phenomenal director, you know, and they did it right.
• 26:33
  And they didn't try and do it where it was like over a 20, 30 year span.
• 26:37
  It's basically over a course of 1957 of the summer of 57, when like
• 26:42
  a lot of shit happened, you know, regarding deaths that one summer where
• 26:46
  it's kind of just that main focus.
• 26:48
  So it's got that storyline to it.
• 26:50
  So you're not trying to stretch 20 years into two hours, which is great.
• 26:55
  Like they did with the Lamborghini movie, which was.
• 26:57
  Terrible.
• 26:57
  Oh god.
• 26:58
  Yeah, that was horrible.
• 26:59
  I don't think people realize it either because when you first think because
• 27:02
  adam driver's a tall guy But I don't think people realize enzo ferrari
• 27:06
  was six two and for an italian.
• 27:08
  He was a giant Yes, he was you think back then most of them were like
• 27:11
  five eight five nine eight, man He's a giant but he was six two.
• 27:15
  He's a big dude watching the preview and everything like that You know
• 27:19
  adam driver does a great job I don't think Penelope Cruz was the best thing
• 27:23
  because Enzo's wife was, I hate to say it, sorry, but she was not a looker.
• 27:28
  That's for sure.
• 27:29
  She was a bit loony.
• 27:31
  I think they did right with his mistress.
• 27:33
  So it is pretty interesting to see how the whole thing plays out, but
• 27:36
  the racing thing looks phenomenal.
• 27:38
  That would definitely be the one, hey, you go to the theater to watch
• 27:40
  it, and you're definitely gonna be watching a bunch of times at home.
• 27:43
  You know, it's like Ford versus Ferrari.
• 27:44
  You know what it was going in, it's not gonna be authentic like that, but
• 27:48
  a great movie, especially if you're a car lover, you'll watch it, hey,
• 27:51
  it's on, you're gonna put it on.
• 27:52
  It's just one of those things, so I'm excited for it.
• 27:55
  I think it's gonna be pretty good.
• 27:56
  Another piece of news coming out of New York City, Ferrari took on Manhattan
• 28:00
  with a gala to show off the brand.
• 28:03
  And I wondered to myself, Is that really necessary?
• 28:06
  Yeah, exactly.
• 28:07
  I mean, that was just basically like, Hey, yeah, we're Ferrari.
• 28:10
  We're going to spend all this money.
• 28:12
  And just that was not cheap.
• 28:13
  Look who they brought.
• 28:14
  I mean, they had the drivers because it coincided with the Austin, you know,
• 28:17
  F1 race, you know, Adam drivers there.
• 28:19
  But I mean, earlier they took over and all the cars.
• 28:21
  There really was no reason for it.
• 28:24
  Other than just to say, Hey, look at us.
• 28:26
  Hey, we're Ferrari.
• 28:27
  It's taking things to a different level in regards to doing that stuff.
• 28:30
  Look at Porsches.
• 28:31
  Porsche does the rent sport.
• 28:32
  Hey, everything's on the track.
• 28:34
  You know, Ferrari does it and we're going to do it in New York City, right?
• 28:38
  Downtown.
• 28:38
  We're going to take over a whole block and by the museum, which is
• 28:41
  everything and just over the top.
• 28:43
  And that's why we call it rich people.
• 28:45
  Fangs.
• 28:58
  So Tanya has been waiting patiently in the background and I want to turn
• 29:02
  the microphone over to her and let you guys talk about one of her favorite
• 29:07
  disciplines of motor sport, Ferrari.
• 29:09
  Yes, Formula One.
• 29:12
  Old news, like three races ago, Singapore.
• 29:15
  Finally, Ferrari gets a win, thanks to their number two driver, who
• 29:21
  really should probably at this point be their number one driver.
• 29:24
  I agree.
• 29:24
  Charles Leclerc ain't gonna, he'll never win a championship.
• 29:27
  He's a brat.
• 29:28
  He doesn't have the mental toughness to do it.
• 29:30
  When he gets under stress, he crashes.
• 29:31
  There seemed to be such promise, but Carlos...
• 29:34
  Started out slow, but he's developed far further, I think,
• 29:38
  and he's not given enough credit.
• 29:39
  Oh, I agree.
• 29:40
  Especially his strategy on track, because it was a brilliant move at the end.
• 29:45
  Oh, gotcha.
• 29:47
  If you watch it, you know, and especially listen to the radio conversation,
• 29:50
  Carlos is very level headed.
• 29:52
  Yes.
• 29:52
  He's very calm in his approach in that, and his strategy, everything
• 29:55
  like that, where, you know, LeClair gets very flustered, can stare at
• 29:58
  the radio and stuff like that, but.
• 30:00
  Carlos is like his dad, very calculated, thinks through it and
• 30:03
  just really kind of just dissects it.
• 30:05
  He goes, okay, this is what we need to do instead of just making these quick
• 30:08
  judgments and, you know, going at it.
• 30:10
  So, I mean, I'm a huge fan of Carlos.
• 30:12
  It's funny you bring up his dad.
• 30:13
  You ever seen the video of the two of them on the test track in the Ferrari?
• 30:17
  Oh, yeah.
• 30:18
  It's like watching a HPDE video.
• 30:20
  Like it's the instructor's board.
• 30:22
  The driver's just doing this thing.
• 30:23
  Like you know, 150 mile an hour.
• 30:26
  Like it's no big deal.
• 30:28
  Yeah.
• 30:28
  Like, Oh, look at that.
• 30:29
  Oh yeah.
• 30:29
  Hey, did you find out what, yeah.
• 30:30
  Oh God.
• 30:31
  That was hilarious.
• 30:32
  Two peas in a pod.
• 30:33
  Definitely.
• 30:34
  You know, we haven't talked much about Ferrari and Formula One because it's
• 30:37
  been overshadowed by Max Verstappen's 48 second leads at every race.
• 30:42
  It feels like the 1960s all over again when Jack Brabham would win
• 30:45
  the race by a minute and a half.
• 30:47
  You're like, how?
• 30:49
  That's been changing.
• 30:50
  Here's the argument though.
• 30:51
  I mean, everyone's kind of bitching about it, but look.
• 30:53
  Lewis Hamilton was doing it for eight seasons, and yeah, there was some tight
• 30:57
  stuff with Nico, and hey, you know, Bodas, you know, give him a little run
• 31:00
  for his money, but look, he was there.
• 31:02
  He had Schumacher era.
• 31:03
  I mean, he was blowing people away for all those straight seasons.
• 31:06
  You know, so it's just how it goes because, you know, the way the
• 31:09
  rules are, someone's gonna nail it.
• 31:11
  But everyone else can be kind of close and you got your also right.
• 31:14
  You know, that's what was cool about some of those series, you
• 31:16
  know, they used to do back in the day, like doing, you know, IRA.
• 31:19
  You know, I had the M1s and doing those, putting everyone in the same type of car.
• 31:22
  Let's see who's the best driver because everyone's got the same car.
• 31:24
  That proves it right there.
• 31:25
  It's awesome to see McLaren getting back going like they are.
• 31:29
  I'm a big fan of Lando Norris.
• 31:30
  He's a very personal person.
• 31:32
  If you ever watch his stuff off the track, you know, it just seems very real.
• 31:35
  Doesn't go to his head in regards to the stuff, but it's great to see that,
• 31:38
  you know, and it just after you're watching Austin couple more laps, Lewis
• 31:42
  would have caught for stopping him more.
• 31:44
  I don't know if he would have passed them, but you know, he was getting
• 31:46
  pretty close to catch them eventually to see this weekend in Mexico.
• 31:50
  Cause with the elevation and that stuff, things kind of have a
• 31:52
  tendency to level out a little bit.
• 31:54
  As I'm sure you guys are, and everyone here that's an F1
• 32:02
  fan of the spectacle.
• 32:03
  Eric's not interested.
• 32:04
  It's his least favorite form of motorsport.
• 32:07
  WRC.
• 32:07
  Yeah, I know.
• 32:08
  WRC, okay.
• 32:10
  There's no Ferraris!
• 32:12
  In world rally, although there have been some entered in the past, like
• 32:16
  off road three Oh eights and stuff.
• 32:17
  Don't make any sense to me, but you know, Hey, whatever, not since the days of the
• 32:21
  launch of Stratos, but they weren't all one big happy family back then either,
• 32:25
  but the question is, thoughts on the Vegas F1 race, the amount of money they're
• 32:30
  pouring into it, whatnot, I mean, it's.
• 32:32
  The race isn't till it wasn't 1 a.
• 32:34
  m.
• 32:34
  Yeah.
• 32:35
  Super late because of the European audiences and everything else.
• 32:38
  And, you know, trying to get it televised correctly, but I
• 32:41
  think the track layout's boring.
• 32:42
  It's going to be like any other street race, whether it's St.
• 32:45
  Petersburg or long beach or any of those where it's like, go down,
• 32:50
  turn around, make a left, come back the other way, the way you came.
• 32:53
  I mean, you can only do so much with.
• 32:54
  city square blocks.
• 32:56
  There are some good street races from back in the day that just
• 33:00
  don't exist anymore either.
• 33:01
  I would like to see Ferrari and Formula One return to places like Watkins Glen,
• 33:07
  which used to be the American Grand Prix for many, many years, or maybe back to
• 33:11
  most sport in Canada that remote Trump Blanc, you know, some of the other
• 33:15
  tracks that exist in North America that.
• 33:17
  Have had F1 in the past, but Vegas, you know, it's the first time since like
• 33:22
  Andretti was still running in formula one.
• 33:25
  So we're talking like the early eighties that there was a race in Vegas.
• 33:28
  So it's been dark for about 40 years.
• 33:30
  So it's cool that it's going back, but time will tell and it's next month.
• 33:34
  So let's, let's wait and see.
• 33:36
  Caesar's palace parking lot.
• 33:39
  I heard they turned the McCarran airport rental car area into the paddock.
• 33:43
  That's where they're doing all the like pit boxes and everything.
• 33:46
  Some of it's permanent, but a lot of that is just temporary, just baffling.
• 33:50
  Cause F1 itself is putting it on as the promoter, not some outside
• 33:55
  entry with that, and I think they're saying they poured like 500 million
• 33:58
  because of everything they had to do.
• 33:59
  And question B is, you know, they're repaving all this part for the track.
• 34:03
  I mean, is that, how long is that going to hold up in that heat and
• 34:06
  all the traffic getting driven on a regular basis every year, they're
• 34:09
  going to have to come in and spend.
• 34:11
  40 million on fixing it.
• 34:13
  Well, there's been a plan to close the strip to traffic,
• 34:16
  to make it pedestrian only.
• 34:18
  So maybe this is a way of using the formula one race as a catalyst to
• 34:22
  get to that end goal that they wanted anyway, which was to only have foot
• 34:26
  traffic on the famous Las Vegas strip.
• 34:28
  Gives those drunkards a little more space to kind of just stumble around.
• 34:33
  Well, going back to talking about Ferrari and Formula One, I
• 34:35
  thought it was interesting that they made a change to their floor
• 34:38
  design at the Japanese Grand Prix.
• 34:41
  Not that interesting.
• 34:42
  All the teams have been making changes every race.
• 34:45
  But what I'm asking is, did it help them?
• 34:47
  And I guess not, because they've only had one win so far, right?
• 34:49
  No, it didn't do much.
• 34:52
  I mean, she was asked if Martin did it, and Alonzo reverted back to the old one.
• 34:56
  You know, because it didn't do shit.
• 34:57
  It actually seemed like it was worse.
• 34:58
  But, you know, everyone seems to be making those changes.
• 35:01
  Haas made massive changes to everything on their car and didn't do crap.
• 35:05
  They thought maybe they're going to step up.
• 35:07
  And again, though, I mean, you're talking tenths of a second.
• 35:10
  You're not gaining a second, two seconds or anything.
• 35:12
  You're talking all this development to try to gain a tenth, two tenths.
• 35:17
  So minute.
• 35:18
  In regards to what you're getting pace wise to someone from the outside, you try
• 35:22
  to explain that just doesn't make sense, but man, it just, it's unbelievable.
• 35:25
  The amount of development and time and money, especially now it's cost cap
• 35:30
  and going in there, you have to be so methodical and so like who's making that
• 35:33
  decision, where are we exactly going to try and make an improvement because
• 35:37
  we're limited by what we can spend.
• 35:39
  So say it's a make or break situation, you know, back in the
• 35:42
  day when they're spending four or 500 million, it didn't matter.
• 35:44
  Hey, you do that.
• 35:45
  We'll try it or whatever, just throw everything at the wall.
• 35:47
  It's like, cross your fingers, hope it'll work, and, you know, I know,
• 35:50
  hey, you have all these simulators, you have all the computer, all that kind of
• 35:53
  stuff, to kind of simulate what's going on, but until you put it on the car,
• 35:57
  and go on that track, you don't know.
• 35:59
  Well, what we do know was foretold to us by a guest of Break Fix, our
• 36:04
  200th episode, so if you haven't tuned in, you need to go back.
• 36:07
  William was my co host when we had the one and only, the legendary Mario
• 36:12
  Andretti on the show, and he said, very matter of factly, That the name Andretti
• 36:17
  would be returning to Formula One.
• 36:18
  And so it has been written.
• 36:21
  And so it has come true.
• 36:23
  In the news!
• 36:24
  It's still not 100 percent confirmed.
• 36:26
  Just because they've gotten approval as an entry, it still doesn't mean
• 36:30
  they actually can get on the grid.
• 36:31
  But they're that much closer.
• 36:33
  Yeah, they still got to go through the teams.
• 36:35
  But, you know, my thought, and I don't think they want to go that route.
• 36:39
  But if it comes down to it, he takes him to court, he'll win.
• 36:43
  I mean, everything's written in contracts.
• 36:45
  Everything's agreed upon legally.
• 36:47
  They met the criteria, you know, and it kills me, it makes me laugh, it's okay,
• 36:50
  their delusion fee, everything was, alright, the 200 million, he had it.
• 36:53
  Then they all said, no, I think we'll make it 600.
• 36:55
  Well, wait a minute, it's written here amongst all your contracts, amongst all
• 36:59
  of you that you agreed upon, that they did this, they paid that, they're in.
• 37:02
  So now why can't you change it?
• 37:03
  And I know there's a big thing this past weekend in Austin in
• 37:06
  regards to Hey, it's personal.
• 37:09
  The talk was F1 actually went to Cadillac and said, you sure you don't want to
• 37:14
  go with someone else besides Andretti?
• 37:16
  Basically saying, hey, if you went with someone else besides
• 37:18
  Andretti, we'll let you in.
• 37:20
  No questions asked.
• 37:21
  And Michael trying to actually ambush Stefano Domenicali.
• 37:25
  Because to my colleagues, ghosting them, hunting them
• 37:28
  down in Austin to confront them.
• 37:30
  Hey, what's going on?
• 37:31
  It's just sad because you ask anyone, 99 percent of the people
• 37:35
  say, yes, we want him in there.
• 37:36
  It would be fabulous to have that name back in.
• 37:38
  He's already said he wants Colton Hurd as his driver, which would be phenomenal.
• 37:42
  You know, having an American here, awesome.
• 37:44
  If he got a second American driver, it'd be great, but you can't do that.
• 37:47
  You're going to have to have a European guy in there because someone's going to
• 37:49
  have to bring some cash to the table.
• 37:52
  Being so difficult.
• 37:53
  I just don't get it.
• 37:54
  I mean, I know it basically boils down to money.
• 37:57
  There's more to it.
• 37:58
  And I think that is not being said in regards to trying to create such a
• 38:02
  road block for them to get on the grid.
• 38:05
  He already bought a facility to start building the car.
• 38:08
  He's moving forward and spending the money.
• 38:10
  Come hell or high water.
• 38:11
  We're going to be on that grid.
• 38:12
  If it's not 2025, it will be 2026.
• 38:15
  Ideally, you want them on in 2025 to work out all the bugs, get the team
• 38:19
  together, and everyone be able to sort things out and how everything
• 38:22
  works and logistics, all that crap.
• 38:24
  So that way, 2026, with the new regs, everything like that,
• 38:27
  you hit the ground running.
• 38:28
  They'd have to decide on it by, it's got to be by February or
• 38:32
  March of next year, it'd have to be like either in or out, right?
• 38:36
  They're trying to get on the grid by 25.
• 38:38
  It definitely has to happen at some point next year, early
• 38:41
  next year, I would assume.
• 38:42
  I haven't seen a date.
• 38:43
  Yeah, I would think that it's got to be done beginning of next
• 38:46
  year to be able to green light this so they can get everything
• 38:49
  put together and get stuff going.
• 38:51
  It'll be interesting to see, but yeah, they need to be just awesome.
• 38:55
  One.
• 38:56
  The Andretti name, but to see a Mario strutting on the, you know,
• 39:00
  he'll have a big role in it.
• 39:02
  Just having them back on there just would do wonders.
• 39:04
  Also for the American audience, it would bring back a lot of the ones that
• 39:08
  they seem to be losing just because of what's going on for stopping.
• 39:11
  I think that would just also not only bring those people back.
• 39:14
  But bring back more, just build that momentum back up and justify having
• 39:19
  these three races in the United States.
• 39:21
  Like we mentioned before, you can't really talk about Ferrari without
• 39:25
  talking about Formula One and vice versa.
• 39:27
  So we sort of doubled down on this showcase and we have one last
• 39:30
  bit of Formula One news to cover.
• 39:31
  What's up with this disqualification, which includes Ferrari's number one man?
• 39:37
  These wood planks from 1952, whatever they have on these cars.
• 39:43
  You know, everyone says, Oh, it's a good barometer or whatnot to kind of keep
• 39:46
  an eye and be sure everyone's legit.
• 39:48
  But I'm like, come on, you got wood planks on these cars underneath it.
• 39:52
  If they would have pulled all the cars, probably disqualified almost
• 39:56
  all of them, probably 18 out of the 20, just because the strategy.
• 40:00
  You know, anyone that was, did a long first stint was going to be disqualified
• 40:03
  just because the weight of the car, full tanks, everything, it just happened to be
• 40:07
  those four and look, the two got yanked, but those two were out of strategy.
• 40:12
  They did a long first stint.
• 40:13
  The other two people didn't, there would have been a lot of
• 40:15
  people getting disqualified.
• 40:17
  And that's it to me is just a little weird as they still have that on the
• 40:21
  cars as a technical aspect of it.
• 40:24
  To monitor the stuff.
• 40:26
  It's kind of weird.
• 40:27
  So Tanya, what is William talking about here?
• 40:29
  These things pirate ships They walk the plank underneath the cars Well,
• 40:34
  there's more home depot stuff, right?
• 40:38
  Well, since we combined our ferrari and motorsports news I want to remind
• 40:42
  everybody that our motorsports news is brought to us in partnership by the
• 40:45
  international motor racing research center I just want to let you know
• 40:48
  that you are still able to enter the sweepstakes for the 2024 corvette e ray
• 40:52
  that they're giving away And you can sign up for that through April of 2024.
• 40:57
  There's only two more events left on the IMRRC schedule.
• 41:01
  Both of them coincide with each other.
• 41:03
  On November the 2nd, they're doing the International Real Wheel Fim Festival,
• 41:06
  celebrating historical racing at 5 p.
• 41:09
  m.
• 41:09
  at the Downtown Watkins Glen Movie Theater.
• 41:11
  They're going to be showing four or five different films from 5 to 8 p.
• 41:15
  m., which will ring in the beginning of the Seventh annual Argettsinger symposium
• 41:20
  of motor sports history and racing.
• 41:21
  And that'll be held at Watkins Glen international on November the
• 41:24
  third, which is a Friday and then November the fourth, the Saturdays.
• 41:27
  I have the schedule in front of me.
• 41:29
  We're looking at 18 different presenters over those two
• 41:32
  days, and you'll be able to.
• 41:34
  Catch all of that via our live stream on Twitch, and
• 41:37
  that'll be available at twitch.
• 41:38
  tv forward slash grand touring motor sports, and we'll be running that all day
• 41:42
  and there'll be other great IMRC things going on throughout those three days.
• 41:46
  So if you can't make it in person, you can catch it all on the live stream.
• 41:49
  So tune in for that.
• 41:51
  It's time we switch and talk about Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche news.
• 41:55
  I saw an e tron GT the other day on the road.
• 41:58
  Even my wife commented and said, wow, that's a really, really good looking car.
• 42:02
  And I said, yeah, you know, I'm not a huge fan yet of some of these EVs cause
• 42:06
  they look like spaceship and the Taycan.
• 42:08
  Is it Taycan or Taycan?
• 42:10
  Depends on the day of the week, right?
• 42:12
  Porsche, Porsche.
• 42:13
  Exactly tomato, tomato, but I do respect the take in.
• 42:19
  And I understand that the e tron GT is similar underneath, you know, they
• 42:23
  share the A8 and some of the other cars in the VAG family and whatnot, but
• 42:27
  then only maybe because big brother is always listening to our conversations.
• 42:32
  Do I get this article that slides across my desk and says prices of EVs
• 42:36
  are falling across the board, but.
• 42:38
  Audi has dropped a record setting 50, 000 off the price of which car?
• 42:45
  The e tron GT.
• 42:46
  And that made me give it not a second look, but a third.
• 42:49
  Oh God, it's a gorgeous car.
• 42:51
  Even in the comparisons and whatnot, everyone's like, if you have
• 42:53
  your Drellas, why would you spend the extra money on the Porsche?
• 42:56
  Get the Audi.
• 42:57
  It's just aesthetic.
• 42:58
  It's nicer.
• 42:58
  It's just everything about it.
• 43:00
  The Porsche's driving dynamics are a little bit above it.
• 43:03
  For what you're going to do 99.
• 43:05
  the time in that car, The audience is better by and then doing that just
• 43:09
  makes it that much more attractive.
• 43:10
  The only problem is it's still an electric car.
• 43:12
  My only counter argument to the e tron GT is the RS6 Avant
• 43:18
  because I am a long roof guy.
• 43:20
  I love station wagons.
• 43:21
  Love that car.
• 43:22
  The RS6 is aggressive.
• 43:24
  It's beautiful.
• 43:25
  It is still gas.
• 43:27
  But there's just something about that card, that it's a
• 43:29
  hard decision between the two.
• 43:30
  Tanya, if you had to make the decision, what would it be?
• 43:33
  How much is our six?
• 43:34
  Let's take the money off the table.
• 43:37
  We're talking with big money Ross, come on.
• 43:40
  Money is no question now.
• 43:41
  Yeah, but you're talking to not big money Tanya.
• 43:47
  Just aesthetically.
• 43:48
  I guess the e tron maybe.
• 43:50
  You like that low slung roof, almost two door look to it, right?
• 43:54
  Reminiscent of the old Audis.
• 43:56
  Yeah.
• 43:56
  I like that.
• 43:57
  Got some haunches on it.
• 43:58
  RS6 all day long.
• 43:59
  That thing is just gorgeous.
• 44:01
  If I could talk my wife into driving a wagon as a daily, I'd have one of those
• 44:05
  in the garage for her at Sliver Benz.
• 44:07
  I just think that thing's, it's just absolutely stunning.
• 44:10
  Obviously I think that RS6 is going to hold his value a
• 44:12
  lot better than the e tron.
• 44:13
  You start going down that rabbit hole, regardless of the battery
• 44:16
  replacement, all that kind of crap.
• 44:17
  And the other thing that scares me about those, especially getting
• 44:20
  that is man, just the electronics, everything on that car, I mean.
• 44:23
  Even on an RS6, but it's not to that extent what those pure electric cars
• 44:27
  are, but man, it's unknown territory what happens in 10 years with that car.
• 44:31
  And not only that, looking at it from your perspective, the production
• 44:34
  numbers on the e tron GT are going to be higher than the station wagon and
• 44:38
  traditionally the Avant models in the Audi lineup, they are usually limited runs.
• 44:43
  So there's going to be more scarcity, especially in an RS6.
• 44:47
  Avant, then there will be in the e tron GT, which is going to
• 44:49
  raise its value over the longterm.
• 44:51
  So it'd be interesting to see how that plays out.
• 44:53
  You look, the ones that are a couple of years old that have, you know,
• 44:56
  10, 000 miles on there's still basically almost at sticker is
• 44:59
  what people are getting them for.
• 45:00
  It's just holding its value all day long.
• 45:02
  I'm just.
• 45:03
  Yeah, I'm a big wagon fan myself, too.
• 45:05
  That's why I'm curious to see what happens here.
• 45:07
  Supposedly, they haven't announced that they are going to bring it, but they're
• 45:10
  bringing, you know, the M5 wagon.
• 45:12
  Of course, it's going to be, obviously, hybrid, gas, and electric combined.
• 45:15
  But supposedly, they're going to bring it to the states, but we shall see.
• 45:19
  Uh huh, I've heard that fairy tale before.
• 45:22
  Exactly.
• 45:22
  35.
• 45:26
  Three drive thrus ago, which was our Le Mans showcase episode, where we talked
• 45:30
  about the big automotive manufacturers switching over their connection ports on
• 45:37
  their EVs to be compatible with Tesla.
• 45:39
  And there's been an update in this and where are we at Tanya?
• 45:42
  Who has adopted the technology, and who hasn't?
• 45:45
  Apparently only two people have yet to join the NACs, which I think
• 45:50
  that's what Tesla is considered North American charging standard, and
• 45:53
  that is Volkswagen and Stellantis.
• 45:56
  Stellantis.
• 46:02
  I wonder what's going on there, right?
• 46:04
  I've always suspected, and I've heard rumors, that Tesla was never really
• 46:09
  interested in making cars, although They've been making cars for a while now.
• 46:12
  It's always been about the battery technology and the charging network
• 46:15
  and the charging technology and this and that Apple versus Android.
• 46:18
  Here we go.
• 46:19
  Now everybody's switching over to Tesla network because why is it more
• 46:24
  prolific than electrify America?
• 46:25
  Is it more available?
• 46:27
  How is this going to work?
• 46:28
  Am I going to be able to sign up for the Tesla network without?
• 46:32
  Being a Tesla owner?
• 46:33
  From my understanding too, manufacturing cars was just a vehicle for them for the
• 46:37
  battery technology to take that down a different path and really sell the battery
• 46:42
  technology and do that and make money.
• 46:44
  So they had to build the cars, but I don't want to say they were forced to, but they
• 46:47
  basically had to do the cars to prove out the battery technologies to do it.
• 46:50
  Look at the value of something.
• 46:52
  Where would you rather be as when you have all these charges, you can make money
• 46:55
  off of every manufactured car as compared to just the built, do the numbers.
• 47:00
  Hey, there you go.
• 47:01
  How long has the Model S been out?
• 47:03
  10 years now?
• 47:05
  12 years?
• 47:05
  Barely has changed.
• 47:06
  They haven't really done much.
• 47:07
  Yeah, now they're going to come out with a Cybertruck like that.
• 47:09
  But yeah, it's great to see that Ford wised up in regards to joining forces.
• 47:14
  Obviously, everyone saw Farley's little journey he had with the F 150 Lightning.
• 47:19
  How eye opening that was for him.
• 47:21
  And Secretary of Energy, well, she did it too.
• 47:24
  And blocking fast charging stuff with the gas cars because
• 47:27
  she could charge in the...
• 47:28
  People are calling the cops, saying, Hey, you can't block this.
• 47:30
  And blah, blah, blah.
• 47:31
  It's just really brought to the forefront in regards to how far behind
• 47:35
  all these be able to have a network to be able to charge a card and Tesla
• 47:39
  nailed it right out of the gate.
• 47:41
  Normally in these situations, these companies come out and they copy the best.
• 47:45
  It doesn't seem like they did because Electrify America
• 47:48
  and all that, they all suck.
• 47:49
  Their things always break.
• 47:50
  They're fast chargers never work.
• 47:52
  I mean, you see it, you know, you go on YouTube, you read about it, you know,
• 47:55
  people do it as none of this stuff works.
• 47:57
  It can't get it.
• 47:58
  Or you're sitting there because there's six chargers to work
• 48:00
  and there's 10 cars waiting.
• 48:02
  It's not like a gas pump where every five minutes someone else can
• 48:05
  pull up, you know, you're talking.
• 48:06
  An hour, hour and a half, you know, these people sitting there and it's so
• 48:11
  far off why Volkswagen and Stellantis wouldn't want to jump on board.
• 48:15
  I mean, if you look at it on paper, it makes sense to do it.
• 48:19
  Just make one unified charging adapter.
• 48:22
  Every single gas pump in the United States has it.
• 48:24
  Same nozzle, everything.
• 48:26
  We got the diesel, it's a little bigger, so it doesn't go in the gas one.
• 48:29
  Everyone's got the same size gas pump.
• 48:31
  Why wouldn't you have the same size charging port?
• 48:33
  So to piggyback off that announced earlier today, actually, is that Tesla
• 48:38
  and BP are kind of joining forces in a way Tesla selling their charging
• 48:44
  technology, whatever, to BP, they bought it for like over 100 million.
• 48:49
  So basically BP It's going to have branded charging stations.
• 48:53
  They'll have their name on the outside of it.
• 48:54
  And underneath the plastic covering is going to be a Tesla charging station.
• 48:58
  So they're going to be able to distribute more across their network.
• 49:03
  Think of all like the BP stations or Amoco stations or whatever else that they have.
• 49:07
  So this is.
• 49:08
  Something new in a sense, meaning like even more of these Tesla chargers are
• 49:12
  going to get out there in the world.
• 49:14
  Cause BP is going to have the ability to push them more than some of the other
• 49:17
  deals Tesla's already made that they've, I think sold their technology to smaller
• 49:21
  people who just haven't been able to really stretch that infrastructure out.
• 49:24
  What's interesting about that model though, is new to maybe the automotive
• 49:28
  world, but not new to the software and it world that's known as white boxing
• 49:32
  or white labeling, where you sell them the ready to go turnkey same solution
• 49:37
  that your brand has, and they slap their logo on it and they call it their own.
• 49:41
  So that's been going on in the computer world for a long time.
• 49:44
  And we've said before, and Tesla has openly admitted sometimes that they've
• 49:48
  modeled themselves after it companies and software factories and things like that.
• 49:52
  So.
• 49:52
  They're just employing principles that come from that industry, rather
• 49:55
  than the traditional ones of the automotive and petroleum industry,
• 49:58
  which is kind of interesting.
• 49:59
  You've seen them over in Europe.
• 50:01
  I think they've done one or two shell or something that, you know, they've
• 50:04
  opened up a true 100 percent EV station.
• 50:08
  Looks like a traditional gas station.
• 50:10
  You got your charge, whatnot, and you got your store.
• 50:13
  Curious to see how they go about doing those.
• 50:16
  I don't know if any of you ever been to a Bucky's.
• 50:19
  I was at my first one when it went down to Tennessee.
• 50:24
  264 gas pumps and 90, 95 percent of them, they had a car at it, you know,
• 50:29
  they had a massive store and you went in there and the parking lot was full people
• 50:33
  just going in there to shop and whatnot.
• 50:35
  Cause that's basically what you're going to have to have to be able
• 50:39
  to service when you have this many electric vehicles, because they're
• 50:42
  going to be sitting there so long.
• 50:43
  You're going to have to have charging station, whatever, in the hundreds.
• 50:48
  And then you're going to have to have something for people to
• 50:50
  do while they're sitting there for an hour, hour and a half.
• 50:53
  The restaurant, shopping, whatever, putt putt, I don't know.
• 50:56
  The American tradition.
• 50:57
  And just like Bucky's, you need to be able to advertise that you have the
• 51:00
  cleanest bathrooms at any gas stations.
• 51:03
  Exactly.
• 51:04
  You got to have that.
• 51:06
  It's the American way.
• 51:07
  It'll be interesting to see how that comes about too.
• 51:10
  Do you keep it and make these things like a traditional gas station, or do you
• 51:15
  take it a completely different route in regards to how it's presented and marketed
• 51:20
  and branded out there to the consumer?
• 51:22
  We have to switch to Lower Saxony and talk about our friends at BMW and Mercedes.
• 51:27
  I have to tip my hat to one of our dearly departed.
• 51:31
  One of our writers that's no longer with us.
• 51:33
  He wrote a piece a couple of years ago called The Demise of the M Badge.
• 51:37
  And everybody looked at him and said, What are you, an old
• 51:40
  man screaming at the clouds?
• 51:41
  What are you talking about, the proliferation of the M Badge?
• 51:44
  And the watering down and the badge engineering.
• 51:47
  I mean, he would get on his soap box and talk about this.
• 51:49
  BMW is at it again, making all the right moves because they
• 51:53
  put an end badge on anything.
• 51:54
  And there's probably an I3M out there if you paid for the extra
• 51:58
  sticker to be put on the car.
• 51:59
  But now what they're saying is if you want a true.
• 52:02
  M package, you got to get the competition badge again.
• 52:06
  It's just more watered down badge engineering.
• 52:10
  Yay.
• 52:10
  BMW.
• 52:11
  Everything's going to be an M or a competition at the end of the day.
• 52:15
  Yeah.
• 52:16
  I was having this conversation with someone a few weeks back.
• 52:19
  About that.
• 52:20
  They made the comment.
• 52:21
  Oh, it's an M card.
• 52:22
  It's that I said, I'm sorry to burst your bubble Yeah, no, it's just a package
• 52:27
  you can buy and they'll slap that M sticker on there for 2, 800 as part of
• 52:32
  this package There's a huge difference between the M 240i And the M2, so
• 52:39
  I'm just going to leave that in right there, but much to your point, William.
• 52:44
  Another thing that came across my desk and I thought was really interesting.
• 52:47
  I've made the joke in the past that no one aspires to own a rental car.
• 52:51
  Well, guess what?
• 52:52
  There's a few Mercedes dealerships out there saying that owners.
• 52:56
  Are not interested and do not aspire to own the EQS that traditional
• 53:01
  Mercedes luxury car owner is not interested in the all electric Mercedes.
• 53:08
  They are saying that nobody wants the EQS, but they're not saying that nobody
• 53:13
  doesn't want an electric Mercedes.
• 53:16
  The EQS is $130,000 electric sedan, but I think people are buying the half that
• 53:22
  price, $60,000 EQB, which is an SUV.
• 53:27
  That's a fair point because SUVs do sell better than sedans.
• 53:30
  Now, I rode in the eq.
• 53:32
  E is the crossover, right?
• 53:34
  The EQE, basically the electric A class.
• 53:36
  And I wrote in that in Denmark and I've said it before, if you had blindfolded
• 53:40
  me and threw me in the trunk, because Mercedes are so smooth and so quiet, even
• 53:44
  the gas powered ones, if they're not an AMG, I couldn't tell you the difference.
• 53:48
  I would say some of the interior componentry was a little maybe
• 53:52
  cheaper, but I don't know.
• 53:53
  What it's like in a standard a class to compare it to, to say maybe
• 53:56
  they're just on par and the only difference is the drive train in terms
• 53:59
  of looks, the car was really good looking, all those kinds of things.
• 54:02
  I'm not a fan of the styling of the EQS.
• 54:05
  So maybe that's a drawback, especially in my demographic or in William's
• 54:08
  demographic, kind of looking at thing going, it doesn't look like the S class.
• 54:11
  It doesn't have that level of sophistication and you put it next to a
• 54:15
  Lexus or an Acura or one of the big BMWs.
• 54:18
  You're sort of like, it doesn't really do it for me.
• 54:20
  To your point, Tanya, the trend has moved to SUVs, so maybe Mercedes
• 54:25
  is wasting their time building the EQS and they should devote more
• 54:28
  time to making the EQB better.
• 54:31
  According to Mercedes though, I had bought an EQS.
• 54:33
  I did a test drive, God, it was in the summer or whatnot.
• 54:36
  Do they have that thing you show up?
• 54:37
  Four weeks ago, I get a phone call and I didn't answer cause
• 54:40
  I didn't recognize the number.
• 54:41
  It says, Oh, Mr.
• 54:42
  Ross.
• 54:42
  Hey, I just congratulate you on your new purchase of your EQS and, you know, want
• 54:46
  you to download the app, your concierge, you know, this So I just like, whatever.
• 54:51
  And then they call back again, like, I did not buy an EQS and they're
• 54:55
  like, Oh, well, they must've just marked it down wrong on the computer.
• 54:58
  I'm like, I sure as hope that's the issue.
• 55:00
  Cause I don't want someone else out there to use my name.
• 55:03
  I went and bought 140, 000 car.
• 55:06
  Geez.
• 55:06
  Are you trying to skew your sales numbers this way?
• 55:09
  Trying to say, Oh, wait, we sold him a car.
• 55:12
  Well, now we've got to switch gears and talk about.
• 55:15
  Stellantis.
• 55:16
  A little bit more.
• 55:17
  The rest of the Stellantis family, not Ferrari.
• 55:20
  And there's been some news in the Jeep camp, a little bit of
• 55:22
  rattling of coffee mugs and whatnot out there in the great outdoors.
• 55:27
  They're also following the Volkswagen trend and dropping the prices of their
• 55:31
  vehicles, but not necessarily the ones that everybody's clamoring after.
• 55:35
  They made an announcement that they're dropping the price of the
• 55:37
  Gladiator to the tune of 20, 000.
• 55:40
  But on the same hand, the Jeep Wrangler is coming in at 59, 995 as the base MSRP,
• 55:47
  which is pricing out the people that would generally go buy a new Wrangler.
• 55:52
  So there's this weird imbalance in the Jeep world right now.
• 55:56
  And it's like, what are they doing?
• 55:59
  You know, that used to be, you know, 20, 25 grand, you got a decent
• 56:02
  Jeep, but Hey, built like a brick, you know, what beat the heck out.
• 56:05
  But now it's obscene, but I didn't do anything gearing it
• 56:08
  and selling it to their consumer.
• 56:10
  Like it's like, how many people can afford a 70, 000 Jeep.
• 56:15
  It's just crazy.
• 56:16
  And then.
• 56:17
  Is it really a Jeep then?
• 56:18
  These people aren't going off road.
• 56:20
  These people aren't doing what that car is supposed to be meant to do.
• 56:22
  And now it's biting them in the ass.
• 56:24
  Cause now they got to start discounting stuff to move them off the lot.
• 56:27
  It'll interestingly see.
• 56:27
  Cause when they do that, the next step is in, Hey, 0 percent financing.
• 56:31
  Hey, all this stuff.
• 56:32
  And I understand, you know, inflation has jumped things dramatically, especially
• 56:36
  from COVID and whatnot, but you rewind the clock 10 years and 70, 000.
• 56:42
  In the Jeep catalog, got you a grand Cherokee.
• 56:45
  Yep, loaded.
• 56:46
  Yes, exactly.
• 56:48
  Now you can barely get into a Wrangler, let alone some of the Wrangler
• 56:53
  packages that they're out there.
• 56:54
  And so I'm kind of looking at this going, is this Stellantis, Fiat, Chrysler trying
• 56:59
  to upmarket the Jeep to say, we want to come off as big and badder and more
• 57:04
  luxurious than Ford because of the Bronco?
• 57:06
  Because the way I look at it from a sales perspective is
• 57:08
  lower the price of the Wrangler.
• 57:10
  So you stop.
• 57:11
  People from buying Broncos.
• 57:13
  Yeah.
• 57:13
  The Wrangler is already good.
• 57:14
  It's been proven it's gotten better.
• 57:16
  Fiat did a great job of making those Wranglers a better place to be in,
• 57:20
  especially from an interior perspective.
• 57:21
  I mean, across the board, they made stuff better.
• 57:24
  If you're worried about Ford, raising the price is not the answer.
• 57:28
  No, no, it isn't.
• 57:30
  They're losing their focus in regards to who that vehicle's built for.
• 57:35
  When you go after.
• 57:36
  They're more focusing on, okay, we're competing against Ford
• 57:39
  instead of, okay, we're selling and building a car for this person.
• 57:43
  They're not doing it for the customer, they're doing it to compete.
• 57:44
  And it's like, you're losing your focus in regards to what these things
• 57:47
  are for and who your target is.
• 57:49
  Well, we're going to continue our conversation about domestic vehicles
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• 58:00
  SEMA is happening right now through November.
• 58:04
  There's a lot of stuff going on.
• 58:06
  Brad, Tanya, and I joked about the possibility with respect to, you know,
• 58:11
  color changing cars and what if they did this and what if they did that?
• 58:15
  And then comes along, that'll be the part of another Florida
• 58:18
  Man story here in the future.
• 58:19
  A digitized license plate?
• 58:22
  Okay, I'm going to ask you very matter of factly, why?
• 58:25
  Yeah, why?
• 58:26
  That's, I mean, why?
• 58:28
  And that's asked, why would you want one?
• 58:30
  I've been trying to find the answer to that in the article,
• 58:35
  and I don't see a good answer.
• 58:39
  The biggest reason is most likely aesthetics.
• 58:42
  Really?
• 58:43
  Why do I care?
• 58:44
  But also, am I really willing to pay like 700 for this plate plus a
• 58:50
  yearly subscription fee to have it?
• 58:53
  My metal plate's not costing me anything.
• 58:56
  What happens when that digital plate shorts out and a couple of digits
• 59:00
  are missing and you get pulled over?
• 59:03
  You get a waiver for that, right?
• 59:04
  And you got to take it to an electrical engineer.
• 59:06
  Can someone hack into it?
• 59:07
  Like, how is that working?
• 59:08
  Is it like Bluetooth, Wi Fi?
• 59:10
  Although, the benefit of that would be like, your car gets stolen
• 59:14
  and you change it to say, Stolen!
• 59:17
  Until somebody rips the tag off, but you know.
• 59:19
  Help me!
• 59:21
  Anybody remember the transporter movie?
• 59:23
  The first one, he goes into the locker and he's got this revolving
• 59:26
  thing, metal license plates.
• 59:27
  What did it take?
• 59:28
  Two screws.
• 59:28
  Change the license plate.
• 59:30
  Good to go.
• 59:31
  Yes, I know.
• 59:32
  I know.
• 59:32
  I know you can rip it off with your hand, but here's the thing from an
• 59:35
  aesthetics perspective, this falls right in line with the completely LED.
• 59:41
  Programmable dashboards, like we've seen in the Mustang, like we've seen
• 59:45
  in the Volkswagens and some of the other cars where they're like, you
• 59:48
  want it to look like a 1938 Beetle?
• 59:50
  You can have the stereo look like that, or you can have the dash look like that.
• 59:53
  But if it's e ink screen, isn't it just going to look like a Kindle?
• 59:59
  But for the pictures, it looked like it was actually color.
• 1:00:02
  It was black and white in the picture.
• 1:00:05
  It's a Texas mode.
• 1:00:08
  But think about this.
• 1:00:09
  You could use this digital plate to bring back retro plates that don't
• 1:00:13
  exist anymore, like the old Maryland plate or the old Delaware plates
• 1:00:18
  or the old California plates or even some of the specialty plates.
• 1:00:21
  Granted, if you're going to be able to change it like a watch face,
• 1:00:23
  you know, from your Apple iPhone.
• 1:00:26
  They're not going to do that, or how can they do that, right?
• 1:00:28
  Is that still going to be subscription based?
• 1:00:31
  Because the whole point of those specialty tags was, allegedly, the
• 1:00:34
  funds that you're paying a year.
• 1:00:35
  Because if you get those tags today as a metal plate, you
• 1:00:38
  have to pay for them yearly.
• 1:00:40
  But that money is supposed to, I don't know what proportion of it, is
• 1:00:43
  supposed to go to whatever the fund is.
• 1:00:44
  So like, save the bay plates.
• 1:00:46
  Your money is going to go.
• 1:00:48
  To save the bay, allegedly agriculture tags.
• 1:00:52
  Those are, I think, supposed to go to whatever agriculture
• 1:00:55
  industry is taking those funds.
• 1:00:57
  I don't know.
• 1:00:57
  So how do you do that?
• 1:00:59
  If you're able to switch your, it makes, it almost makes that obsolete.
• 1:01:03
  It does, but also super easy for you to change the style of your plate.
• 1:01:07
  Because this is what we need.
• 1:01:08
  We need some twit.
• 1:01:10
  In their basement to make a dick butt license plate and then have that.
• 1:01:16
  But we know a few people that would actually put those on their car.
• 1:01:20
  So there's an ask for every seat.
• 1:01:24
  Daddy, what's that?
• 1:01:26
  Yeah.
• 1:01:28
  It ends poorly for everybody.
• 1:01:30
  There's another piece of American muscle here that we have to talk about.
• 1:01:34
  And I felt that this was so appropriate from a previous, what
• 1:01:37
  should I buy episode that William was on as a former Fiero owner.
• 1:01:42
  What do you think of this Tesla swapped Fiera that came up for sale?
• 1:01:45
  Awesome.
• 1:01:46
  I mean, I'd be more for the V8 one that was just on bring a trailer.
• 1:01:50
  I saw and whatnot.
• 1:01:51
  Why not?
• 1:01:52
  Of course, putting all that weight in that little car.
• 1:01:54
  I mean, hey, you can battery swap whatever, but I mean, just
• 1:01:57
  make it that much more fun to be.
• 1:01:58
  Anyone knows doesn't research.
• 1:02:00
  As they were refining that car when the last iteration that car, you know,
• 1:02:05
  obviously didn't have all this horsepower, but they got the chassis down everything.
• 1:02:09
  It was a great little car.
• 1:02:10
  They were ready to take that next step, but then they just axed it
• 1:02:13
  would have been awesome to see.
• 1:02:15
  Where that could have went in the second generation and what
• 1:02:19
  they could have done with it.
• 1:02:20
  They were onto something with that car.
• 1:02:22
  The two Fieros that we have up for sale, the yellow V8 and then the red EV.
• 1:02:27
  You know, you made mention of the weight that gets added with the EVs.
• 1:02:31
  And if I learned anything from watching Downey's Dream Cars, the work that
• 1:02:36
  like Rich Benoit and those guys at Electrified Garage are doing, even EV
• 1:02:39
  West that's been doing the Porsches and the Volkswagen's forever is the
• 1:02:43
  upside to the electric conversion.
• 1:02:45
  Is they can corner balance the car and hide the batteries in
• 1:02:48
  different places and weight shift.
• 1:02:50
  When you jam an LS2 in the back of a Fiero, you got a big honking piece
• 1:02:56
  of metal back there that you're not able to distribute the weight.
• 1:02:59
  It's still in the same place.
• 1:03:00
  Granted, the Fiero is mid engine.
• 1:03:02
  It's a lot in one spot versus the EV where.
• 1:03:05
  Yes, it's heavy, but you could disperse the weight and make that thing really
• 1:03:09
  a little go kart at the end of the day.
• 1:03:11
  Definitely.
• 1:03:12
  You know, that's, I guess to say, a nice engineering beauty of
• 1:03:15
  battery is like motor wise, too.
• 1:03:17
  I mean, they're small, whatnot.
• 1:03:18
  I mean, you can put it, it's in the wheel, axle, whatnot, you know, and to
• 1:03:22
  your point, you know, you're balancing out the weight to make everything,
• 1:03:25
  it's your, like, little go kart.
• 1:03:26
  You know, let's face it, you have that car is electric, you know, you
• 1:03:29
  don't need batteries where you want to think they have a 400 mile range
• 1:03:32
  that car, you can get a hundred miles.
• 1:03:34
  Hey, you're happy now making road trips in that car.
• 1:03:36
  You're just going out for some fun for a few hours here and there and come
• 1:03:39
  back home or go into a car show with it.
• 1:03:41
  You're going to the Fiero club meeting to get made fun of.
• 1:03:44
  Cause you have exactly, you know, we're in all your Fiero gear.
• 1:03:47
  We're in that Chrome jackets.
• 1:03:48
  Let's be a row on the side of the arm.
• 1:03:50
  So you don't have to worry about having range anxiety.
• 1:03:52
  So, I mean, you don't have to load that thing down with a ton of battery.
• 1:03:55
  But that LS in there though, yeah, there's no way around it.
• 1:03:58
  You got 600 pounds, whatever it is, big hunk of metal sitting right behind you.
• 1:04:02
  It's mid engine, but still it's a lot of extra weight that you're putting
• 1:04:05
  in that car compared to what that four banger was in there, or even
• 1:04:08
  the six cylinder that was in there.
• 1:04:10
  So this next one had me scratching my head going, okay, it's still a thing.
• 1:04:15
  So apparently Chevy.
• 1:04:17
  Is still selling the tracks, which has to use your words, William, a
• 1:04:22
  provenance of the geo tracker and some other just, oh, amazing vehicles
• 1:04:29
  with it, which just awesome pedigree at all the geo tracker convertibles.
• 1:04:34
  That's the car for the Florida hairstylist.
• 1:04:36
  A hundred percent right.
• 1:04:37
  To compete with the Suzuki Samurai and the Azusi Rodeo and the ViaCross
• 1:04:41
  and all those, but they're still selling the tracks and I look at it.
• 1:04:45
  And.
• 1:04:45
  And maybe I don't recognize them on the road because they're hard to distinguish
• 1:04:49
  from some of the other CUVs that are out.
• 1:04:51
  It looks a lot like the new Blazer, but I thought the article title was funny
• 1:04:55
  because you don't have to dig too deep.
• 1:04:56
  And it's like the Chevy tracks outsold every Cadillac combined in Q3.
• 1:05:01
  And I'm like, what?
• 1:05:04
  I mean, this is automotive journalism at its finest.
• 1:05:06
  So that's all you really need to know.
• 1:05:08
  The Chevy Trax is still for sale and it's outselling Cadillacs.
• 1:05:11
  Pretty sure I had one as a rental once several years ago.
• 1:05:15
  How terrible was it?
• 1:05:16
  You know, it got me to point A to point B.
• 1:05:18
  That's it right there because it's at a price point, the person that A,
• 1:05:22
  they're not making a lot of money, but they own an SUV, four wheel drive,
• 1:05:27
  you know, America is all about the SUV and no one wants to feel left out.
• 1:05:30
  So, hey, how can I be part of the party?
• 1:05:33
  Hey, I can go buy a Chevy Trax for 25 grand and I'm in the party.
• 1:05:37
  It was a ski trip.
• 1:05:38
  It fit my skis in the back.
• 1:05:39
  So there you go.
• 1:05:41
  Last month, Danny Pilling was on from Danny P on cars,
• 1:05:44
  and we featured British cars.
• 1:05:46
  And then we, you know, talked about a lot of different things.
• 1:05:48
  And we landed upon this topic about Honda and Acura jailbreaking the new
• 1:05:54
  Integra and how they could unlock all this power and unleash the beast and
• 1:05:59
  how it was going to be quicker than the type are and all these kinds of things.
• 1:06:03
  And I'm like, okay, great.
• 1:06:04
  But this, this next car, I saw this and I said, Tanya, this is
• 1:06:09
  all you so that jail broke this 1.
• 1:06:12
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:12
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:13
  Okay.
• 1:06:13
  I'm on board our fans.
• 1:06:15
  They're anxious to know because this car is right up your alley.
• 1:06:18
  Apparently it's a GR yaris that has been jail broke.
• 1:06:23
  It's a 740 horsepower three cylinder, three cylinder, three cylinder.
• 1:06:29
  Wow, exactly.
• 1:06:30
  Wow.
• 1:06:31
  That's what I said when I read that I was like, that is unbelievable.
• 1:06:34
  Three cylinder turbo and the stock bottom end, bigger turbo cams
• 1:06:39
  and a sequential gearbox, dude.
• 1:06:41
  That thing is a rocket ship.
• 1:06:42
  They're quick to begin with.
• 1:06:43
  That'd be what?
• 1:06:44
  10, 15 minutes fun until the thing blows up.
• 1:06:47
  But I mean, Hey, you had a good time for 10, 15 minutes.
• 1:06:49
  Sometimes it's all you need.
• 1:06:54
  I'm sticking with that's what I always say.
• 1:06:56
  You don't need any more than that.
• 1:06:59
  10 740 horsepower in a motor that small.
• 1:07:03
  That's impressive.
• 1:07:04
  Yes, it is.
• 1:07:05
  That's super car power per volume.
• 1:07:07
  If you think about it, like that's up there.
• 1:07:09
  To your point, even standard, how that thing is, that's an awesome little car.
• 1:07:13
  It sucks they didn't bring the two door and everything they
• 1:07:16
  have over in Europe over here.
• 1:07:17
  It's gotta be the four door, but hey, it's still a lot of fun.
• 1:07:21
  And like we've said before, Toyota is hot right now.
• 1:07:24
  Like if you're gonna pick a Japanese brand, definitely look at Toyota and
• 1:07:28
  run her up to that as Hyundai with the N Series, because they're doing all
• 1:07:31
  sorts of cool stuff with the N Line, even though the Veloster is gone.
• 1:07:35
  I mean, you can get an N.
• 1:07:36
  Nero now and the, and the Elantra and they're like bargains and they're fast.
• 1:07:40
  And they're a lot of fun.
• 1:07:41
  I've been in some on track and I'm like, these are great cars.
• 1:07:44
  They've picked up where the Germans left off, especially Volkswagen's and 10
• 1:07:48
  year, a hundred thousand mile powertrain.
• 1:07:50
  I mean, all day long, you can't beat it.
• 1:07:52
  And, uh, what's his name?
• 1:07:54
  Bankel, Hork, Burke, whatever his name is.
• 1:07:57
  You know, the stylist, you know, they got.
• 1:07:58
  What they're coming up with is phenomenal.
• 1:08:00
  It's just great.
• 1:08:01
  As a fact is, is that it just keeps improving.
• 1:08:03
  You have a lot of instances where they hit a home run or they're doing great.
• 1:08:06
  Then all of a sudden they do something stupid.
• 1:08:08
  Like, cause they have all this momentum.
• 1:08:09
  So you think, Oh, we're going to go this completely different route.
• 1:08:11
  No, why would you do that?
• 1:08:13
  So, I mean, they're doing it right.
• 1:08:15
  They're coming out with great stuff.
• 1:08:16
  I mean, look what they're doing with the Genesis line to boot too.
• 1:08:19
  That's getting more and more accolades and just impressive in regards
• 1:08:24
  to what they're building there.
• 1:08:25
  So it's like, they're just going.
• 1:08:27
  Going like Toyota, hey Toyota, Lexus, or like that.
• 1:08:31
  So I mean, they're following that pattern, they're just doing a great job.
• 1:08:34
  And I think for the enthusiast market right now, if it has a GR,
• 1:08:38
  Gazoo Racing, or N Line badge on it, it is a license to print money.
• 1:08:43
  Oh yeah.
• 1:08:43
  All those cars are hot.
• 1:08:45
  Unfortunately, Honda is still trying to catch up.
• 1:08:47
  They're still hanging on this Type R, Type S.
• 1:08:49
  I don't know if the Civic's in a court or what, just, uh, whatever.
• 1:08:52
  I mean, I, I respect them all.
• 1:08:54
  I love being in them, especially coaching in these cars.
• 1:08:57
  Cause you get to learn a lot about them, but some of these legacy
• 1:09:00
  and hero cars, like the GTI and the Civic and others, they just,
• 1:09:04
  they don't do it for me anymore.
• 1:09:05
  And some of these newer cars like a Veloster and like the Yaris and the GR
• 1:09:10
  Corolla and whatnot, they are really.
• 1:09:12
  Peak in my interest are really, really good cars.
• 1:09:14
  Uh, well, it's unfortunate with the GTI stuff like this, again, it's becomes
• 1:09:18
  where the accountants are driving the engineering, what they're coming up
• 1:09:22
  because, Hey, we need to make this car more desirable across a broader range.
• 1:09:26
  So we need to do this and water it down or something like that.
• 1:09:28
  Instead of how it used to be a, here's our market.
• 1:09:31
  Here's who's we're going after build a car to that.
• 1:09:33
  And we know we're only going to sell X.
• 1:09:34
  Well, Count, no, we need to sell.
• 1:09:37
  Why?
• 1:09:37
  Because we need to make it justifiable, so we need to do this.
• 1:09:39
  It kills the car.
• 1:09:40
  It loses its soul for what it was when it originally came out, and what it targets.
• 1:09:45
  It's unfortunate.
• 1:09:46
  It's funny you mention the accountants running the ship,
• 1:09:48
  because over at Nissan...
• 1:09:50
  I'm really confused.
• 1:09:51
  It feels like a rudderless ship with no captain going around in circles.
• 1:09:55
  Their marketing has been a struggle for a while.
• 1:09:58
  Coming up with cars.
• 1:09:59
  Is the car out?
• 1:10:00
  Is it not?
• 1:10:01
  They're teasing us, you know, and then they do these shootouts with the
• 1:10:04
  new 400Z against, and it's not what everybody thought it was going to be.
• 1:10:07
  And then I just read that there's a Nismo version of the 400.
• 1:10:11
  I'm like, Have people even taken delivery of the base model yet?
• 1:10:15
  Now we're talking about a Nismo version that you can't get or you can't find.
• 1:10:19
  I mean, this is unbelievable.
• 1:10:21
  If you're going to come to the table with a proper sports car, something
• 1:10:25
  that's going to compete with the Supra.
• 1:10:28
  Which is already a GR badge car from the get go.
• 1:10:30
  You're going to come to the table to try and compete with, let's say, Porsche
• 1:10:33
  on the bottom end against the Cayman.
• 1:10:35
  You're going to come in and try to go against the Camaro, some of the
• 1:10:38
  other offerings that are out there.
• 1:10:40
  And you're going to build this dual tier system.
• 1:10:42
  I get that it works for Corvette.
• 1:10:44
  You can buy the Z51 and you can buy the Z06.
• 1:10:47
  Okay, great.
• 1:10:47
  They got two models.
• 1:10:48
  But Nissan, struggling the way it is.
• 1:10:51
  Should have come out the gate with the Nismo version from day one and
• 1:10:54
  said, we're here to crush the Supra.
• 1:10:57
  But instead they gave us a 928.
• 1:11:00
  It's like, yeah, what are we doing here, guys?
• 1:11:03
  I don't have a lot of hope or a lot of faith that I'm going to see a Nismo 400z
• 1:11:07
  on the road, because I have seen one regular base model 400z on the road so
• 1:11:12
  far, and I'm just like, I don't know guys.
• 1:11:15
  And it sucks because what Nissan can do is amazing.
• 1:11:18
  Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  You know what they're capable of.
• 1:11:20
  Again, it goes back who's steering the ship over there and who's dictating
• 1:11:24
  what you can and can't do because you're such a small niche manufacturer It is
• 1:11:29
  so what you need to do is you really need to focus and narrow in that market
• 1:11:33
  that target not try and cover all bases Not only we want to get it for the 20
• 1:11:38
  year old and three years But we also want to get it for the 50 year old guy.
• 1:11:41
  It's like come on stick to what you know I mean if I were king for a day,
• 1:11:44
  I would tell the parent company reneau Pack it up And just bring Alpine over
• 1:11:50
  and sell the cool stuff that everybody wants and let's just move on with it.
• 1:11:53
  Exactly.
• 1:11:54
  Uh, they would love to see that Alpine over here.
• 1:11:57
  God, that, uh...
• 1:11:58
  If I could buy an A110 right now, end of story.
• 1:12:01
  Take my money.
• 1:12:02
  Just take it.
• 1:12:03
  Exactly.
• 1:12:04
  But yeah, it would be nice if they could just bring that over.
• 1:12:07
  Why aren't you doing the Alpine with the 400?
• 1:12:09
  Come on, people!
• 1:12:10
  It's like, we can figure this out.
• 1:12:12
  Why can't you?
• 1:12:14
  You know what we need to figure out?
• 1:12:15
  We need to figure out new EVs and concept cars.
• 1:12:18
  So Tanya, take us through what's going on, what's changing in this
• 1:12:21
  new world order of automobiles.
• 1:12:23
  There is more news on solar SUVs.
• 1:12:26
  And there was a company that we reported on already a year or two ago.
• 1:12:31
  I think it was also a group of Dutch people that were creating
• 1:12:35
  the solar powered vehicle.
• 1:12:36
  Well, the Dutch are at it again.
• 1:12:38
  A group of students from the Eindhoven University of Technology, which is in
• 1:12:43
  the Netherlands, have developed a off road solar powered vehicle that they
• 1:12:48
  tested across the Moroccan desert on a 621 mile journey, at which point they
• 1:12:54
  never had to stop to recharge because it was charging itself on its solar panels.
• 1:12:59
  Estimated to get around 441 miles of range on a good sunny day
• 1:13:05
  and 50 less if it was cloudy.
• 1:13:07
  How fast were they going?
• 1:13:08
  So the car can only reach a top speed of 90 miles an hour.
• 1:13:13
  That's not bad.
• 1:13:14
  And actually weighs only 2, 600 pounds.
• 1:13:17
  That's even better.
• 1:13:18
  And they have this camper van kind of mindset with it.
• 1:13:22
  So the solar panels can actually pull them out and unfurl them, if you will.
• 1:13:27
  And they could be used sort of as an awning, and then you get
• 1:13:29
  extra like, Solar square inch capacity to absorb and charge with.
• 1:13:35
  So when you're taking a break, you can kind of unfold your
• 1:13:38
  panels, take some shade underneath them and charge up even more.
• 1:13:42
  I mean, that's a new way of thinking about being off grid.
• 1:13:46
  So I wonder if you were using it to live off grid, what's the residual charge?
• 1:13:51
  Like how long could you run off of the vehicle itself?
• 1:13:54
  Like if you were living out of it.
• 1:13:56
  Oh, if you were trying to like power small electronics or something like that?
• 1:13:59
  Yeah.
• 1:14:00
  I don't know.
• 1:14:00
  They didn't get into that.
• 1:14:01
  So I don't have those details, but that's an interesting question.
• 1:14:04
  Are we going to see this anytime soon?
• 1:14:06
  Probably not.
• 1:14:07
  Is it really cool that a group of students, you know, develop this
• 1:14:10
  vehicle that's able to actually cross the desert reliably?
• 1:14:14
  Apparently, that's pretty cool, and maybe this technology can
• 1:14:18
  trickle down somewhere, or maybe eventually we will see solar cars.
• 1:14:22
  Tesla promised us the solar roof.
• 1:14:24
  Let's not forget.
• 1:14:25
  Okay.
• 1:14:27
  So what else is going on in the world of EVs and concept cars?
• 1:14:30
  I don't know about this Jaguar.
• 1:14:33
  It's not really an EV, but it's the last combustion engine
• 1:14:37
  sports car allegedly from Jaguar.
• 1:14:39
  It kind of looks like, I don't know, every other Jaguar at this point.
• 1:14:42
  As we spoke about with Danny P, the JLR badge, because Jaguar is
• 1:14:46
  not going to be a thing anymore.
• 1:14:47
  It's Jaguar Land Rover altogether, just going to be known as JLR.
• 1:14:51
  You're right.
• 1:14:52
  It looks like every other F type.
• 1:14:55
  That's come out before it.
• 1:14:56
  It's nothing really to write home about, but I love how in the writing,
• 1:15:01
  in this marketing spin that they give it, the exclusive edition set to
• 1:15:05
  release pays homage to its 1960s racing.
• 1:15:09
  I was like, this doesn't look like an E type.
• 1:15:11
  What are you talking about?
• 1:15:13
  I mean, I get it.
• 1:15:14
  It has those familiar lines.
• 1:15:16
  It has that Jaguar shape, that baby Aston look that they've been
• 1:15:21
  playing off of for the last 15 years.
• 1:15:23
  Okay.
• 1:15:24
  I mean, if it's not.
• 1:15:25
  Coming to the table with a screaming V12, you know, like Aston did is
• 1:15:29
  their swan song where it's like, you remember Jeremy Clarkson, this
• 1:15:32
  is the last of the vanquishes.
• 1:15:34
  This is the end of the line and all this, you know, drama that they put around it.
• 1:15:38
  Want, want, want affordably priced, I guess, compared to some other
• 1:15:42
  cars of its stature at 165, 000.
• 1:15:44
  But for 165 grand, I hate to say, I'm going to go buy a convertible 911.
• 1:15:48
  Right.
• 1:15:48
  William.
• 1:15:49
  Exactly.
• 1:15:50
  If you're going to come out with your last true gasoline powered car, make
• 1:15:54
  that thing a balls to the wall, just...
• 1:15:56
  Monster.
• 1:15:57
  Yes.
• 1:15:58
  Take that thing to the nth degree in regards to performance,
• 1:16:01
  everything like that.
• 1:16:02
  Build a limited amount of them.
• 1:16:03
  But make that thing just so different.
• 1:16:06
  Everyone's clamoring to have one because they know, Hey, there's nothing
• 1:16:09
  else like it gonna come after it, and there was nothing like it before it.
• 1:16:13
  I'm a fan of the F Type.
• 1:16:14
  I like that car.
• 1:16:15
  They could do a lot with it.
• 1:16:16
  But yeah, that was just...
• 1:16:17
  What's the point?
• 1:16:18
  It's just another F Type, you know, with some badging on it and stuff.
• 1:16:22
  I just, I don't get it.
• 1:16:23
  A missed opportunity for them.
• 1:16:25
  They could have done something special with that car.
• 1:16:27
  They had the opportunity, not only with the coupe, but they have a convertible.
• 1:16:30
  Great thing with that.
• 1:16:30
  Hey, the all wheel drive, rear wheel drive.
• 1:16:33
  I mean, there's so many things they could have went with and
• 1:16:34
  just huge missed opportunity.
• 1:16:36
  The last bit of random EV news here, I guess, is that there's
• 1:16:40
  some reporting saying that the cost of EVs might be coming down soon.
• 1:16:44
  And that is due to lithium ion battery prices.
• 1:16:48
  declining over the last year and a half or so.
• 1:16:51
  Okay, I can believe that maybe the battery prices have come down and yes, in theory
• 1:16:59
  that should translate to less cost, but in practice, the manufacturer is just
• 1:17:06
  going to be like, yay, we have lower cost of goods, but we're going to charge
• 1:17:10
  the same amount and have higher margins.
• 1:17:13
  And they might throw a bone and lower it a little bit.
• 1:17:16
  There is precedent, right?
• 1:17:17
  Like.
• 1:17:17
  solar panels, however many years ago, nobody's ever going to
• 1:17:21
  afford solar panels on their house because the price are ridiculous.
• 1:17:24
  And it's like, yes, the price is ridiculous because the supply is low
• 1:17:27
  and there's adoption of the technology.
• 1:17:29
  And now we're seeing, you know, a decade later or whatever.
• 1:17:32
  Oh, suddenly they're much more affordable and the prices keep coming down.
• 1:17:35
  Is the same thing going to translate into the automotive world?
• 1:17:38
  Probably not.
• 1:17:39
  Are we seeing it translated into anything else these days?
• 1:17:42
  No.
• 1:17:43
  I don't know.
• 1:17:43
  I mean, look how expensive it is just to get the material it
• 1:17:46
  is now to make these batteries.
• 1:17:47
  It's a finite amount of stuff.
• 1:17:49
  I mean, it's going to get more and more expensive.
• 1:17:52
  There's still the raw material cost versus the production cost.
• 1:17:55
  Maybe the production cost is coming down, but your raw material costs
• 1:17:58
  are probably only going to go up if your supply is going down.
• 1:18:00
  Yep.
• 1:18:01
  There's an article that dovetails with the sentiment where they're talking
• 1:18:04
  about The cost of vehicles and we've been sort of hinting at it throughout
• 1:18:08
  this episode, where, you know, Audi's dropping the price, Jeep has to drop
• 1:18:12
  the price, but then the price, the Wrangler's up, you know, all these
• 1:18:14
  kinds of, there's all this crazy stuff.
• 1:18:15
  And we know the used car market has been insane for a number of years now, but
• 1:18:20
  reports are coming out that 80 percent of Americans can't afford new cars.
• 1:18:24
  And I read this.
• 1:18:25
  The other week in preparation for this episode.
• 1:18:27
  And I was on a recent drive in the DC metro area.
• 1:18:30
  And I started to notice like the age of the cars, I'm not seeing as
• 1:18:34
  many bright and shiny new things.
• 1:18:36
  You know, you'd always like, Oh, it's a new Tesla.
• 1:18:37
  It was kind of like in the old days, like in the eighties, you're like, Oh my God,
• 1:18:40
  that guy's got a Porsche, you know, it's like so rare compared to everything else.
• 1:18:43
  But I'm looking at the age of cars on the road and there's a lot of stuff.
• 1:18:47
  That's still 10 and 12 years old, which is like the new average for a lot of
• 1:18:50
  people are keeping their cars that long.
• 1:18:51
  I mean, I'm guilty of this myself.
• 1:18:53
  And I do look at the.
• 1:18:54
  Price of cars.
• 1:18:55
  And I go, I can't afford to buy a new car.
• 1:18:57
  I was having this discussion with a friend and it's like, man, what if the
• 1:19:01
  motor in your Jeep blows up, I'm going to get another motor, I'm going to
• 1:19:03
  replace it because it's cheaper than taking on a note for a 60, 000 Wrangler
• 1:19:09
  that I don't like, you know, especially now at seven, 8 percent interest.
• 1:19:13
  Exactly.
• 1:19:14
  That's only two.
• 1:19:15
  Call me.
• 1:19:15
  You're too good.
• 1:19:16
  I wasn't, Hey, 0%, 1%, Hey, all right.
• 1:19:19
  At least you're not getting killed on interest, but.
• 1:19:21
  I mean, you're at 8 percent interest rate now on that stuff too.
• 1:19:23
  It's like, it just will kill you.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, but those mental gymnastics only work for people like yourself.
• 1:19:30
  Okay, the motor in your car blows up and you're just going to put a new motor in.
• 1:19:35
  You're going to put the new motor in.
• 1:19:38
  You're not going to go to the dealer who, or somebody else Going
• 1:19:41
  to charge you 20 grand to put a motor in or something ridiculous.
• 1:19:44
  Right.
• 1:19:44
  And then suddenly your mental gymnastics are going well.
• 1:19:47
  My car is X years old and now I'm spending this much, all these other things are
• 1:19:50
  still going to break blah, blah, blah.
• 1:19:51
  I don't want to deal with this headache and nightmare, but
• 1:19:53
  I'm going to buy a new car.
• 1:19:54
  And the other thing too, is just unbelievable is 84 months financing.
• 1:19:59
  92 months.
• 1:19:59
  Let's stress that sucker out.
• 1:20:01
  Eight, nine years.
• 1:20:02
  Like a mortgage.
• 1:20:03
  Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  You're upside down at five, six, seven years in the car.
• 1:20:06
  I mean, you're stuck with it.
• 1:20:08
  Or then you hear the average, Oh, we'll pay off your old car.
• 1:20:12
  Well, no, we're just rolling over all your negative equity into that thing.
• 1:20:15
  So not only are you paying for that, you're still paying for the old car.
• 1:20:18
  It's all, it's like, how do people get suckered into this?
• 1:20:21
  I just don't get it.
• 1:20:22
  I'll tell you a real life example.
• 1:20:24
  My wife sat down one time at a Volkswagen dealership.
• 1:20:26
  This was pre diesel gate.
• 1:20:28
  She had actually been in a car accident with her previous one, which
• 1:20:31
  is why we were buying a new car.
• 1:20:32
  Not her fault, but she sat down and she was doing numbers.
• 1:20:36
  She's scratching stuff out.
• 1:20:37
  And the guy's looking at it and the sales guy's looking at her.
• 1:20:39
  What are you doing?
• 1:20:39
  She's like, you know, your 0 percent financing thing is actually going to
• 1:20:42
  cost me more money over the long haul.
• 1:20:44
  Cause you're Front ending the cost of the car to make up the fact that you're
• 1:20:47
  not charging me interest and she's sitting there running all these numbers.
• 1:20:50
  She goes, and I'll take this plan right here.
• 1:20:53
  And even the finance here was like, nobody sits and runs the numbers like this.
• 1:20:57
  And I'm like, I just sat there and smiled and like.
• 1:21:00
  Yeah, you don't mess with her, but that's the kind of thing to Tanya's
• 1:21:03
  point that people need to do is sit down and maybe do the arithmetic and say,
• 1:21:07
  what is the total cost of ownership?
• 1:21:08
  What is this looking like?
• 1:21:09
  What is the negative equity?
• 1:21:11
  You know, some people are like, ah, whatever, you know, blah, blah,
• 1:21:13
  blah, you know, that kind of thing.
• 1:21:14
  But you got to nowadays because they're so freaking expensive when you're looking
• 1:21:18
  at Honda civic and you want to outfit it.
• 1:21:21
  More than just roll up windows and whatever.
• 1:21:24
  And it's 40, 000.
• 1:21:25
  It's like Honda Civic, 40 grit.
• 1:21:26
  What time warp are we in?
• 1:21:28
  This is insane.
• 1:21:30
  Mid level cars that are now 50, 60, 70, 000, which 10 years ago they were 25.
• 1:21:36
  It makes no sense.
• 1:21:37
  That's tough.
• 1:21:38
  And EVs have driven up the price and there's not a parity when you're
• 1:21:42
  buying an ICE car to an EV either.
• 1:21:43
  And I think the manufacturers have slowly just said, well, everything's
• 1:21:46
  going to be this new price.
• 1:21:48
  And to Tanya's point, if they figure out how to make it.
• 1:21:50
  Bigger battered cheaper.
• 1:21:52
  They're going to keep that margin and never goes down.
• 1:21:56
  It's it's just it's nuts No, they're living fat and happy.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah We'll never give that back and that's like the argument that's going on now like
• 1:22:03
  with you know, the strike going on with the Auto workers in that they're making
• 1:22:07
  all this money, but they were sharing some of it Yeah, they were getting a some nice
• 1:22:11
  bonus checks, but that ain't long term.
• 1:22:14
  They don't want to give that up They're making that argument.
• 1:22:16
  Well, if we did their turns whatnot, we'd be bankrupt blah blah blah
• 1:22:19
  It's like no, I don't think so.
• 1:22:20
  No, I don't think so either We're due for a market correction in a lot of
• 1:22:24
  different verticals, but I think in the car industry it'll probably happen
• 1:22:28
  quicker than some others because as soon as units Sit even longer than
• 1:22:34
  they've been sitting because people just can't and the market is saturated.
• 1:22:37
  And like we talked about last time, the adoption rate on EVs is plateaued.
• 1:22:41
  The manufacturers are going to have to move all these cars and they can't make
• 1:22:44
  excuses anymore because chips and all this kind of thing, because we're sort
• 1:22:47
  of on the other side of that tunnel now.
• 1:22:50
  And I don't know, something's got to give, and it can't be the consumer all
• 1:22:53
  the time, just giving over their hard earned money at the end of the day.
• 1:22:57
  We'll put a pin in that and probably talk about that at another point.
• 1:23:00
  But you know, the carbon wheels keep going round and round.
• 1:23:04
  And so, you know, we introduced a couple months back our world of wheels section
• 1:23:08
  here in the drive thru and we're looking for new articles, new technology,
• 1:23:11
  new things in the wheel industry.
• 1:23:12
  And I want to highlight.
• 1:23:14
  And events that our friends and sponsors over at ESC Carbon went to
• 1:23:17
  recently where they had AJ Campo, who is well known in the Audi community.
• 1:23:22
  ESC Carbon was there sponsoring the Audi Nationals and she was running
• 1:23:26
  around the mountains with a set of E2s on her RS3 looking pretty cool.
• 1:23:32
  Lots of really neat pictures and an article to go along
• 1:23:34
  with that on ESCCarbon.
• 1:23:35
  com.
• 1:23:35
  So if you want to check that out and follow AJ on her Instagram
• 1:23:39
  and check out the article on ESC.
• 1:23:41
  But more importantly than that, there is a group of automotive enthusiasts
• 1:23:45
  that have started 3D printing turbofan add ons for their wheels.
• 1:23:51
  And I tell you what, this might be the hottest new accessory
• 1:23:54
  in the wheel market right now.
• 1:23:55
  Is Try to make your ugly wheel look like something else, especially if
• 1:24:00
  you can bolt on something that looks like it came off of a race car.
• 1:24:02
  So I appreciate their enthusiasm, their ingenuity.
• 1:24:06
  I thought these were super cool.
• 1:24:07
  They come in different colors, obviously because the 3d printed material.
• 1:24:10
  But I like this idea.
• 1:24:12
  I like the idea of a basic wheel and let's dress it up a little bit.
• 1:24:14
  Let's make it look like something else.
• 1:24:16
  Maybe that could be made out of carbon.
• 1:24:17
  Maybe that could be made out of some other materials.
• 1:24:19
  So.
• 1:24:20
  I think this is interesting.
• 1:24:21
  I want to keep a finger on the pulse of where these types
• 1:24:24
  of accessories are going.
• 1:24:25
  Now, I'm not saying we need to bring back spinners, turbo fans.
• 1:24:28
  I'm okay with all that.
• 1:24:30
  I like to your point is cover up them ugly wheels, slap them on.
• 1:24:33
  And while the car stands, everything's right, man.
• 1:24:35
  Those things are cool on a car.
• 1:24:37
  Next step is you'll put your sponsor stickers on there.
• 1:24:39
  You got that all that nice space, all that real estate.
• 1:24:41
  Exactly.
• 1:24:42
  Yeah.
• 1:24:42
  You got all those things you can do with that.
• 1:24:44
  Or you can put a picture of your girlfriend on there
• 1:24:46
  and let it spin around.
• 1:24:47
  Well, in honor of Brad, we need to switch to his favorite section, which
• 1:24:51
  is lost and found, where he scours the internet looking for the newest
• 1:24:54
  old car available on dealership lots.
• 1:24:56
  I didn't spend the time, Brad.
• 1:24:58
  I'm sorry if you're listening to this, looking at cars.
• 1:25:00
  com or, but I did find something that you might be interested in.
• 1:25:04
  It's a wonderful cherry mint condition, 2008 Dodge Avenger.
• 1:25:10
  I see.
• 1:25:10
  Oh yeah.
• 1:25:12
  Right.
• 1:25:12
  Again, no one aspires to own a rental car except for whoever bid on this.
• 1:25:15
  It is super clean.
• 1:25:17
  I mean, I can't fault this car.
• 1:25:19
  I guess if you follow the letter of the law and bring a trailer, which
• 1:25:23
  the rules are, you have to take 957 pictures of the car and, you know,
• 1:25:28
  fill out all their forms and stuff.
• 1:25:29
  You can list just about anything on there.
• 1:25:31
  I didn't find this as particularly weird considering we found things
• 1:25:35
  like Geo Metro convertibles and other things for sale on Bring a Trailer.
• 1:25:38
  Good on whoever's been preserving this low mileage 2008 Dodge Avenger.
• 1:25:43
  Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Good for them, but it's sad that cause they're owned by a corporate entity.
• 1:25:48
  BAT has gotten away from what they used to be and they used to be a lot more
• 1:25:51
  picky about what cars they'd put on there and gotta make that commission somehow.
• 1:25:55
  Right?
• 1:25:55
  Well, yeah, exactly.
• 1:25:56
  Because yeah, I, I could see, you know, back in the day them putting
• 1:26:00
  that car on there because Hey, cool.
• 1:26:02
  Hey, low mileage, whatnot, something unique.
• 1:26:04
  It's something quirky that, Hey, you wouldn't normally think it's going to have
• 1:26:06
  low mileage, but necessarily put on her.
• 1:26:08
  But.
• 1:26:08
  You know, some of the other stuff that just shows up on that site
• 1:26:11
  now is just like, why I know why, because they need the money.
• 1:26:15
  I don't know if you ever go through and look at their Sales figures that they post
• 1:26:19
  and how many they got to and I mean you start calculating now Just do an average
• 1:26:24
  payout in regards to what they're getting.
• 1:26:26
  They're making a crap load of money You can see why what's his name got a
• 1:26:29
  nice Fat check when he sold that to a cash cow because it's very simplistic.
• 1:26:34
  Well, you mentioned earlier when we were talking about the abandoned Testarossa
• 1:26:38
  facility that Europeans just love to throw a padlock on a building and walk away.
• 1:26:42
  Well, how about a Ford dealership in Germany that's
• 1:26:45
  been abandoned for 37 years?
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, I've got mentioned stuff because there's one that's in North Carolina
• 1:26:51
  that was a, um, it was an AMC.
• 1:26:54
  Same thing.
• 1:26:54
  You know, they just locked the door one day and walked away,
• 1:26:56
  left the cars in there, everything like that, and antique archeology.
• 1:26:59
  But the guys with the show, you know, they bought a couple, was it Thete
• 1:27:02
  Bank where it was sitting out back, you know, they dug it outta there.
• 1:27:04
  But there's a few of those hidden gems around the world.
• 1:27:09
  There's nothing special what the cars were left in there.
• 1:27:11
  But it's neat to see that time capsule and two, you know, we'll have the access
• 1:27:15
  and film it and share it with the world.
• 1:27:17
  Of course, the problem is, is once the cat's out of the bag.
• 1:27:20
  You got everybody under the sun going out there trying to check it out and see it.
• 1:27:24
  So then how much longer does it actually stay that way?
• 1:27:27
  It sat like that for 30 some years, but then it take one year for it to basically,
• 1:27:31
  well, okay, now we got to really close it up and get rid of everything.
• 1:27:34
  Cause it's just become a nuisance.
• 1:27:36
  If you look at the cars in.
• 1:27:38
  The dealership window, like they're nothing to write home about.
• 1:27:41
  It was a period in Ford Germany's history where everything was sort of blah.
• 1:27:46
  It's all like these super boring Ford Sierras, you know, just awful stuff.
• 1:27:51
  Like nothing fun.
• 1:27:52
  It's not like there's an Escort RS in there or a Qazi or something like that.
• 1:27:56
  It's just like, okay, whatever.
• 1:27:58
  But you kind of wonder after 37 years and it's been kept clean, is it still a
• 1:28:03
  dealership to your point, or is it now a museum where you can step back in time?
• 1:28:07
  37 years from where they put the padlock on the door and say, here it is.
• 1:28:11
  I mean, I kind of feel like they should just do like retro parties there and be
• 1:28:14
  like, let's travel back to the eighties.
• 1:28:16
  And here we are.
• 1:28:18
  I think there's an opportunity because I think, you know, Reddit was, you
• 1:28:21
  know, the husband died rather young.
• 1:28:23
  And so that's when they closed it up.
• 1:28:25
  And then the wife.
• 1:28:26
  Just kept paying the taxes, paying to keep it clean, everything like that.
• 1:28:30
  But then she died recently.
• 1:28:32
  Like that's when I went to, you know, start, let's say go with the shit.
• 1:28:34
  Cause they started going, cause no one's taking care of it.
• 1:28:37
  Yeah.
• 1:28:37
  I mean, that would be cool.
• 1:28:39
  Retro party.
• 1:28:39
  Why not have that 80s bash?
• 1:28:41
  I mean, I think you'd do pretty well with it.
• 1:28:43
  You know, it got the cars there.
• 1:28:44
  You don't need to have RSS queries like that.
• 1:28:47
  So they're cool.
• 1:28:47
  You got this 40 year old car that's got two miles on it.
• 1:28:50
  You know, it's nice and clean and just do something fun with it.
• 1:28:53
  Well, I think this next one is borderline Florida Man story and it
• 1:28:57
  should probably read Georgia Man.
• 1:29:00
  Right, Tanya?
• 1:29:01
  Carvana sells another stolen car.
• 1:29:03
  Here we go again.
• 1:29:05
  So somebody dials in their cell phone.
• 1:29:07
  I have a car to sell to you, Carvana.
• 1:29:10
  Come pick it up.
• 1:29:10
  Ram 1500.
• 1:29:12
  Never been in an accident.
• 1:29:14
  Gray color.
• 1:29:15
  Oh, we'll offer you this much for it.
• 1:29:17
  Cool.
• 1:29:17
  We'll stop by and pick it up.
• 1:29:19
  And in fact, that's not even your car.
• 1:29:20
  Brilliant.
• 1:29:21
  And this is not the first time this has happened.
• 1:29:23
  I was wondering about this, like how many stolen cars are going to
• 1:29:27
  end up on something like Carvana where it is like touchless.
• 1:29:32
  We have an article on our website.
• 1:29:33
  One of our members wrote about buying a car off Carvana from the giant car
• 1:29:37
  vending machine and how easy it was.
• 1:29:39
  And you know, they didn't need to go see anything or do anything.
• 1:29:42
  And then they just showed up.
• 1:29:43
  But imagine that.
• 1:29:44
  They showed up and that Ram 1500 belonged to somebody else, and the
• 1:29:48
  police show up right behind it.
• 1:29:50
  Those guys that were stealing the cars up in Detroit, off of the
• 1:29:53
  manufacturer's storage lots, and then they were taking 'em like to
• 1:29:57
  Arizona, way out west and selling 'em.
• 1:30:00
  Forging documents, what have you, the person thought they
• 1:30:02
  bought a legitimate car.
• 1:30:04
  And then a couple months later, knock at the door, we're taking that car.
• 1:30:07
  Cause it's still, then they're out that money.
• 1:30:09
  It's like, well, wait, how do I get my cap?
• 1:30:11
  Sorry.
• 1:30:11
  You're shit out of luck.
• 1:30:12
  It's like, well, wait a minute.
• 1:30:13
  I gave this dude 80 grand for this car.
• 1:30:16
  And what are you telling me?
• 1:30:17
  I can't, I mean, how's that right?
• 1:30:19
  They titled it, everything through the state.
• 1:30:21
  Should the state be at fault here because they didn't catch it.
• 1:30:24
  It's like, how is it my fault?
• 1:30:26
  You know, everything looked legit.
• 1:30:27
  The state didn't catch it.
• 1:30:28
  The government did not catch it where it's set up to supposedly
• 1:30:32
  catch this kind of stuff.
• 1:30:33
  Now I'm out that money.
• 1:30:34
  That guy's owed a car at the end of the day.
• 1:30:36
  That's what he is.
• 1:30:37
  I'd be delivered.
• 1:30:38
  And here's the other thing on a side notice.
• 1:30:40
  I don't care where the car's at and I'm buying something.
• 1:30:43
  I'm going to go look at the thing before I turn over my money.
• 1:30:45
  I'm gonna put my hands on a fucking thing.
• 1:30:47
  It's as sketchy as those.
• 1:30:48
  I hate to equate them to the Nigerian prince emails, you
• 1:30:51
  know, spam that we used to get.
• 1:30:53
  But you do get those like offers.
• 1:30:55
  And we had a guy sell a Porsche from someone that emailed him, I'm in Germany
• 1:30:59
  and I'm gonna arrange for the pickup.
• 1:31:00
  And I'm like, oh my God, you fell for that scam like you did it.
• 1:31:03
  And he goes, man, I went through the, I got paid, I got
• 1:31:05
  cash, the card disappeared.
• 1:31:07
  I'm like, wow.
• 1:31:08
  I mean, all I could say was just, wow, like you did it because
• 1:31:12
  those to me have always been super sketchy and super scammy.
• 1:31:16
  And I kind of view in a way that Carvana is the same thing because
• 1:31:20
  you're so disconnected from the process.
• 1:31:22
  Not that I enjoy going to a used car lot or going to a dealership
• 1:31:25
  and going through that rigmarole.
• 1:31:27
  So there's got to be a happy medium between the two, but to be
• 1:31:30
  totally disconnected like this.
• 1:31:32
  Yeah, but it's fraud on the part of the thieves, because they actually
• 1:31:35
  circumvented the VIN number.
• 1:31:36
  They had fake VIN number that they replaced on the car.
• 1:31:39
  So, you know, you have to supply the VIN number and the title that
• 1:31:42
  gets checked through the DMV system.
• 1:31:44
  If you provided fraudulent information that does match some Ram somewhere,
• 1:31:49
  who's catching that, even if you rolled up to the dealer, they're
• 1:31:52
  going to go, Oh, unless they're astute enough to go, let me cross check.
• 1:31:56
  Another place on the vehicle where the VIN is and then
• 1:31:59
  realize, oh, these don't match.
• 1:32:00
  There's something wrong here, right?
• 1:32:02
  That's why BMW puts a VIN on everything.
• 1:32:04
  Every panel on the car has a VIN number on it.
• 1:32:07
  Well, again, it boils down to just doing due diligence in regards to
• 1:32:12
  checking everything and just cannot taking someone's word for it.
• 1:32:15
  We would be remiss.
• 1:32:17
  If we didn't talk about Teslagate.
• 1:32:19
  Poor Tesla.
• 1:32:20
  I guess we'll start off with the long overdue drag racing video.
• 1:32:25
  Oh my god, again.
• 1:32:27
  Model S Plaid Edition, this time versus Bugatti Chiron.
• 1:32:31
  I keep asking the same.
• 1:32:33
  Thing every time these why, why does it matter?
• 1:32:36
  How do we care?
• 1:32:37
  I mean, it's apples and oranges in a way Apples and or it's apples and chainsaws.
• 1:32:42
  I mean, no It's like usain bolt race a horse.
• 1:32:46
  It's like who won.
• 1:32:47
  I don't know When's a tesla driver gonna come across a chiron
• 1:32:51
  to go drag race or vice versa?
• 1:32:52
  When's the guy driving chiron is gonna?
• 1:32:54
  Come across.
• 1:32:55
  Oh, hey, there's a Tesla, guys.
• 1:32:56
  Good job.
• 1:32:56
  I mean, who gives a shit?
• 1:32:57
  Not only that, the Chiron's got like 16 turbos and like all this stuff,
• 1:33:02
  so it's quick in its own right.
• 1:33:04
  It was.
• 1:33:05
  Yes, but in these stupid drag races, why don't we extend the drag race a little bit
• 1:33:10
  past, oh, I don't know, 100 miles an hour?
• 1:33:12
  We're something with a V10 or a V12 will just destroy no
• 1:33:16
  Tesla's doing 200 miles an hour.
• 1:33:19
  And it's funny.
• 1:33:19
  I literally had this almost what should I buy discussion the other
• 1:33:23
  night with a colleague at work.
• 1:33:24
  And he was like, man, I really love the Tesla's.
• 1:33:26
  I like that idea of like three seconds, zero to 60.
• 1:33:29
  And I asked him flat out, he's a younger guy.
• 1:33:31
  And I said, why do you care?
• 1:33:32
  Why do you need to go zero to 60 to go to the grocery store to go to work?
• 1:33:36
  He couldn't answer the question, but he's like, dude, but it's so cool.
• 1:33:38
  And I'm like, No, but it's not.
• 1:33:41
  Yeah, so you can be a jackass and forget that the person in front of you in their
• 1:33:45
  Toyota Corolla can't do 0 to 60 in three seconds than what you rear end them.
• 1:33:49
  You know, I've seen some wild stuff on the roads with people in
• 1:33:52
  Teslas and I'm like, I'm fearful because of the way they handle.
• 1:33:56
  And I'm not saying they handle poorly, but I've been in them on track.
• 1:33:59
  And they begin to show their weight very quickly.
• 1:34:02
  And you start to do some dodgy stuff with them.
• 1:34:04
  It's not a sports car.
• 1:34:06
  So that's the fallacy.
• 1:34:07
  It's so fast.
• 1:34:08
  It's like a Porsche.
• 1:34:09
  It's like a Corvette.
• 1:34:10
  And they do these drag races.
• 1:34:11
  And then people start to equate.
• 1:34:13
  Tesla's like a Corvette.
• 1:34:15
  And it's like, I got news for you, bro.
• 1:34:17
  Your Tesla is like a Corolla.
• 1:34:19
  It's not like a Corvette.
• 1:34:21
  Maybe a 1954 Corvette.
• 1:34:23
  Yeah, 100%, right?
• 1:34:24
  I mean.
• 1:34:26
  Whatever, there's a reason and a season for all of it, but let's not
• 1:34:29
  hang our hat on zero to sixty times.
• 1:34:31
  Like, these drag races are just dumb.
• 1:34:33
  And here's the thing, though, these Tesla people, you know, they're not our people.
• 1:34:38
  You know, it wasn't like they were, you know, had a Corvette or
• 1:34:40
  had something along those lines prior to getting that Tesla.
• 1:34:43
  You know, these were someone that, nerdy or whatnot, all of a sudden...
• 1:34:46
  They thought they got the coolest car in the world.
• 1:34:48
  Now, as I think they got the best car in the world just because
• 1:34:50
  it's, oh, it's a Tesla, you know?
• 1:34:52
  Oh, it's fast.
• 1:34:52
  Yeah, it's fast.
• 1:34:53
  But to your point, yeah, it's not a Corvette.
• 1:34:55
  It doesn't handle this thing.
• 1:34:57
  And they don't have a reference for it because they've never actually
• 1:35:00
  had or owned an actual sports car.
• 1:35:03
  Funny you say that because I have met a lot of Tesla owners whose previous
• 1:35:06
  vehicle was some sort of mid level.
• 1:35:10
  Luxury car like an E class or something like that.
• 1:35:14
  But they would always say it was cheaper to buy the Tesla because the
• 1:35:18
  maintenance on the Benz was killing them, compromise the luxury for the speed.
• 1:35:22
  And they were being green, big gas guzzling V8 and the
• 1:35:25
  Mercedes and stuff like that.
• 1:35:26
  And I'm like, okay.
• 1:35:27
  Makes sense.
• 1:35:27
  I get that.
• 1:35:28
  Like you justified that purchase and when you're comparing it to that or
• 1:35:32
  like the big Lexus or something, you want to get out of something like that.
• 1:35:35
  But I think you begin to miss those creature comforts.
• 1:35:37
  The more time you spend in those Ikea showrooms that they called
• 1:35:40
  like the Tesla interior, but there's a compromise there, right?
• 1:35:44
  It goes back to that conversation about the EQS.
• 1:35:46
  Is that what you really want at the end of the day?
• 1:35:48
  But then there's a price tag that comes with it.
• 1:35:50
  So how do you compromise again?
• 1:35:52
  You can rationalize it six ways from Sunday, but these performance
• 1:35:56
  shootouts just don't make sense.
• 1:35:58
  No, it's not real world as it boils down.
• 1:36:01
  It's just not real world.
• 1:36:02
  That's what sells the magazine or that what's gets the clicks and whatever.
• 1:36:06
  People want to see it, but it just really doesn't equate to the real world.
• 1:36:09
  In more exciting news, Brad, if you're listening, get
• 1:36:12
  ready your Cybertruck deposit.
• 1:36:14
  Is still years out from being transferred to, to anything.
• 1:36:22
  In fact, allegedly, apparently, the Cybertruck is finally
• 1:36:26
  coming at the end of November.
• 1:36:28
  However, it is unclear how much it will cost or how many vehicles will
• 1:36:32
  actually roll off the assembly line.
• 1:36:34
  But at least one will.
• 1:36:37
  So someone out there is going to get a Cybertruck in just...
• 1:36:42
  A little over a month, but then there's an article about one
• 1:36:45
  of these pre launch candidate.
• 1:36:48
  What did they call them?
• 1:36:48
  They had a special term for these like dozen or so that
• 1:36:51
  they put out there, right?
• 1:36:52
  Yeah.
• 1:36:54
  But there's an article showing yet another cyber truck fail broken down,
• 1:37:00
  spotted on the side of the road.
• 1:37:01
  Yeah.
• 1:37:02
  And broken down.
• 1:37:03
  It wasn't accepting charge at the charging stations.
• 1:37:05
  Isn't that an important fact of a electric vehicle?
• 1:37:10
  Yeah.
• 1:37:10
  You know, like.
• 1:37:11
  If you can't charge it,
• 1:37:15
  I've never been able to not pour gasoline in my gas tank because even
• 1:37:19
  a Brad story, you know, one time his gas flapper door got stuck on his GTI.
• 1:37:24
  He just put a fist in there and it popped open magically.
• 1:37:27
  So I'm saying you can always get the gas in the car.
• 1:37:31
  And you can always bring gas to the car, too, if you happen to run out.
• 1:37:35
  Yeah, how do you carry electrons?
• 1:37:37
  Like, is there a special container for that?
• 1:37:39
  Like, how does that work?
• 1:37:41
  The fairies come with electron dust and sprinkle it over the car.
• 1:37:46
  No, it's like that guy.
• 1:37:47
  What was that guy that drove with an e golf and he had a
• 1:37:52
  gas generator in the back?
• 1:37:53
  So it was between stations.
• 1:37:56
  He would charge you with like this little Honda.
• 1:37:59
  Unbelievable.
• 1:38:01
  You're kind of beating the purpose here of why you have a car.
• 1:38:05
  It's like, Oh, what was it on Shark Tank?
• 1:38:08
  They had it.
• 1:38:08
  The guys they pitched for stranded electric vehicle
• 1:38:11
  owners is they would go around.
• 1:38:13
  They're towing around an electric thing to charge it, but it's all it's
• 1:38:16
  gas generator, charging, electric, basically portable recharging station.
• 1:38:22
  To take to people it's like, wait a minute.
• 1:38:24
  You're pulling us through the gas car with the gas generator It's like same
• 1:38:28
  thing on downy's dream cars Like I wanted to run headfirst into a wall when
• 1:38:32
  they're talking about the new electric stripped down gmc colorado thing They're
• 1:38:36
  building and what are they towing behind it an industrial diesel generator?
• 1:38:41
  Guys, seriously, it's like, don't look back there.
• 1:38:45
  Just don't look back there.
• 1:38:46
  Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
• 1:38:49
  No, but circling back in a recent, I think it was like maybe part of an
• 1:38:53
  earnings call or something like Elon Musk is literally quoted saying that.
• 1:38:57
  They dug a grave for themselves with this truck.
• 1:39:00
  And it's like, okay, so it should have been here years ago already.
• 1:39:04
  Delay, delay, delay.
• 1:39:06
  Allegedly, November 30th.
• 1:39:08
  It's coming, but they can't tell you how much it's going to cost, other
• 1:39:10
  than it will cost more than what they were saying it was going to cost.
• 1:39:15
  Ugh.
• 1:39:15
  And they can't predict how many they can run off the production line because they
• 1:39:19
  have so many issues with like scale up and like building the thing that they don't
• 1:39:24
  think they're going to be cash positive on it for like another year and a half
• 1:39:28
  or two years or something like that.
• 1:39:29
  You're not even relevant anymore.
• 1:39:31
  When Lightning has come out, the Rivians have come out, whoever
• 1:39:35
  the heck is coming out next, Ram's gonna have theirs, whatever.
• 1:39:39
  It's like, does anyone even care anymore in another two years?
• 1:39:42
  And it's fugly.
• 1:39:43
  It's fugly.
• 1:39:44
  And yeah, it's like some things...
• 1:39:46
  Dude, that was a great concept quote car.
• 1:39:50
  It should have been left as one.
• 1:39:52
  Yeah.
• 1:39:52
  So is this one of those instances where you've told so many lies,
• 1:39:56
  you don't remember the lie that you told, so you just keep lying?
• 1:40:00
  Yeah, just keep building on it.
• 1:40:01
  He needed to fund everything, right?
• 1:40:03
  Because two million reservations at a hundred dollars each.
• 1:40:07
  So that was a nice 200 million dollar cash revenue that they
• 1:40:10
  could spend somewhere else.
• 1:40:11
  Are any Tesla's cash positive?
• 1:40:14
  You know, I mean, they tell you.
• 1:40:16
  Yes.
• 1:40:16
  I think that they have their best earning like every quarter.
• 1:40:19
  It's the most sale.
• 1:40:22
  That's because they're doing buy one, get one sales on the model three.
• 1:40:26
  Have you heard about this?
• 1:40:28
  This is insane.
• 1:40:29
  Like one minute, they keep changing the price.
• 1:40:31
  2023 alone?
• 1:40:34
  And now they're talking about buy one, get one free.
• 1:40:37
  On a Tesla three, it's a referral program that if you referred someone
• 1:40:42
  and they bought it within like a two week window in September, then
• 1:40:46
  you were put into like a raffle.
• 1:40:48
  They were giving away a Tesla.
• 1:40:50
  See lies upon lies.
• 1:40:52
  And you know what?
• 1:40:53
  It looks like that poop emoji when it's all done and you
• 1:40:58
  curl up to the Wizard of Oz.
• 1:41:00
  Oh, it gets better though, right?
• 1:41:02
  Because now we got to talk about Elon.
• 1:41:06
  We already knew this was coming because this was brought up
• 1:41:08
  already months ago, both.
• 1:41:11
  The driving range claims that a lot of people were reporting that sticker
• 1:41:15
  ranges they aren't actually getting and they were putting in basically
• 1:41:19
  claims with the service center and they've created like apparently a
• 1:41:22
  department or a little organization to handle all these claims and basically
• 1:41:27
  they just cancel them all out.
• 1:41:30
  Don't even service the vehicles like the ones that do come in.
• 1:41:33
  They're like, Oh, no, the battery is fine.
• 1:41:35
  Go away.
• 1:41:35
  Like all is good.
• 1:41:36
  So it's like, well, what's the problem here then?
• 1:41:38
  Because if the battery is good and everything's running correctly,
• 1:41:40
  but I'm not getting the mileage you reported, your mileage is a lie
• 1:41:44
  that you said I should be getting.
• 1:41:45
  Right?
• 1:41:46
  So that's like false advertising.
• 1:41:48
  So now they're under scrutiny with just justice department to figure out if
• 1:41:52
  they have been, I guess, lying about or inflating their, um, Driving range
• 1:41:55
  claims, da da da, on top of the whole, Oh, I don't need to live in a house.
• 1:42:00
  I'm perfectly fine in a one bedroom shanty shack with an outhouse toilet.
• 1:42:04
  And then, lo and behold, there's money funneling into some like, glass
• 1:42:08
  mansion that he's building himself.
• 1:42:10
  Even though he doesn't need a house and he can just live off the land.
• 1:42:13
  And you scoff every time I say Teslagate.
• 1:42:16
  This takes Watergate, Dieselgate, Deflategate, all of it to a whole.
• 1:42:23
  I don't know.
• 1:42:24
  I don't even know why we're giving him more airtime than he deserves.
• 1:42:27
  Honestly, whatever.
• 1:42:31
  You can't not cover the Tesla news because it's probably the most exciting
• 1:42:35
  thing in the car world sometimes.
• 1:42:38
  I know Brad's not here to sink for us, but we do have a couple of things to
• 1:42:41
  talk about under lowered expectations.
• 1:42:44
  Lowered expectations.
• 1:42:50
  We have done some, what should I buy?
• 1:42:52
  Specials We have debated for quite a long time.
• 1:42:55
  The ugliest cars on the road.
• 1:42:57
  In typical listicle style, modern journalism, we gotta put
• 1:43:01
  another top 20 lists together.
• 1:43:03
  And this time it's the ugliest cars you can buy.
• 1:43:06
  Right now.
• 1:43:08
  And like half of them are BMWs.
• 1:43:09
  Thank you.
• 1:43:10
  Thank you.
• 1:43:11
  Thank you.
• 1:43:14
  That is not an exaggeration.
• 1:43:16
  Over 50 percent of the cars on this list are BMWs.
• 1:43:20
  I didn't count it, but it felt like it was.
• 1:43:22
  Oh yeah.
• 1:43:23
  If you look at them, I mean, the cyber trucks on this list,
• 1:43:26
  that's a given, but then they have things like the grand Wagoneer.
• 1:43:29
  And I mean, I'm not a huge fan of it, but I wouldn't call it ugly.
• 1:43:32
  And it's like every other car is a BMW.
• 1:43:35
  So good for calling them to carpet bid for calling it a task.
• 1:43:39
  We've been saying for quite a long time that the new BMWs are not good looking.
• 1:43:43
  They are not pretty.
• 1:43:44
  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I am really, really nostalgic
• 1:43:50
  for the Bengal period at this point because those were hideous and they're
• 1:43:54
  starting to look really, really good.
• 1:43:55
  Yeah, . Well, this next one was too good for lost and found.
• 1:44:01
  It went straight to the barrel of lowered expectations, and this is the.
• 1:44:06
  Chrysler PT Cruiser Turbo.
• 1:44:10
  Oh, but this one goes unbelievably hard.
• 1:44:13
  Like it is so stanced.
• 1:44:15
  It's on Bentley wheels.
• 1:44:17
  It's electric blue.
• 1:44:19
  Nah, it's only stance if the wheels are bent in and they're not.
• 1:44:23
  It's got some stance.
• 1:44:24
  It's just lowered and I will say lowered is better.
• 1:44:28
  I don't think I, I, it's hard to get it out.
• 1:44:31
  I never thought I would utter these words ever, ever.
• 1:44:36
  This is the best looking BT Cruiser I've ever seen.
• 1:44:41
  I might actually drive this.
• 1:44:42
  I might not be caught dead in it.
• 1:44:46
  It's actually kind of cool.
• 1:44:48
  Why didn't they come this week to begin with like an SRT version with big wheels.
• 1:44:53
  And I even liked the roof rack.
• 1:44:56
  It's cool.
• 1:44:57
  How is this possible?
• 1:44:58
  I don't know that I could go that far, but with bigger wheels, lowered low profile
• 1:45:06
  tire, it does add a little something with a little bit of lipstick, if you will.
• 1:45:13
  It's got side skirts and I mean, it's got all sorts.
• 1:45:16
  It's got a Wang.
• 1:45:17
  They put a Wang on it.
• 1:45:21
  It's cool.
• 1:45:21
  The exhaust.
• 1:45:22
  I don't like the downturn tips.
• 1:45:23
  I've never liked that on any car, but I didn't.
• 1:45:26
  For some reason I look at it and I'm not instantly ready to vomit like
• 1:45:30
  I am the rest of the PT cruisers.
• 1:45:32
  Like there's, I'm drawn to it.
• 1:45:33
  I'm like, this car is cool.
• 1:45:35
  It's different.
• 1:45:36
  Oh, I'm not going to live that one down.
• 1:45:41
  You know, we're in preparation for our holiday episode.
• 1:45:45
  Like I said, Big Brother is always listening.
• 1:45:47
  We're having discussions around the writer's room.
• 1:45:49
  What should be in the holiday guide?
• 1:45:51
  What do you buy for your petrol head, your loved one in your life?
• 1:45:53
  Dire Gal, it's got all their toys.
• 1:45:55
  Well, this one from five years ago resurrected itself.
• 1:45:59
  What about the Honda Type R lawnmower?
• 1:46:02
  This could be a winner.
• 1:46:02
  This is a contender right here.
• 1:46:05
  Save yourself the heartburn and go to Honda, get some decal stickers and
• 1:46:09
  strap it onto your existing lawnmower.
• 1:46:12
  It sort of looks like a Roomba.
• 1:46:14
  I think it is.
• 1:46:14
  I think it's one of those electric autonomous lawnmower things.
• 1:46:18
  They have those, the robotic lawnmowers.
• 1:46:19
  I've seen them.
• 1:46:20
  They're basically a Roomba with a blade underneath them.
• 1:46:24
  So I'm glad we went there and this ties back into Tesla things that
• 1:46:27
  we've talked about in the past.
• 1:46:28
  I think I'm on to something.
• 1:46:30
  You know how the Teslas have an issue with the flashing lights and at night and
• 1:46:34
  you know, the autonomous self driving.
• 1:46:35
  I've been watching my robot vacuum cleaner and how it operates.
• 1:46:40
  And I thought to myself, if it shares the same software with a Tesla in any way in
• 1:46:44
  terms of its autonomy and how it drives around, it makes sense why the Teslas
• 1:46:49
  are attracted to the flashing lights.
• 1:46:51
  Cause it does some crazy stuff.
• 1:46:52
  I'm picturing you sitting in your living room, just studying your robotic
• 1:46:56
  vacuum cleaner, but the notepad.
• 1:47:01
  Oh, you, you joke.
• 1:47:02
  No, that is for real.
• 1:47:05
  That's how I can picture it.
• 1:47:06
  I can just see your head and your wife walking and go, what are you doing?
• 1:47:09
  I'm just watching the vacuum cleaner.
• 1:47:11
  That makes sense.
• 1:47:12
  It's a behavioral study, okay?
• 1:47:15
  But some of the things it does, I'm like, Huh, makes sense now.
• 1:47:18
  Yeah, I get it.
• 1:47:20
  I would buy that lawnmower.
• 1:47:21
  That thing looks cool.
• 1:47:23
  I mean, you'd be the talk of the neighborhood.
• 1:47:25
  I want the Porsche version of that.
• 1:47:26
  I want like the RS GT4.
• 1:47:29
  Only charcoal gray.
• 1:47:30
  No, you need the Momo.
• 1:47:31
  Oh yeah.
• 1:47:33
  Yeah.
• 1:47:34
  Bigger.
• 1:47:34
  Weighing.
• 1:47:34
  Fatter.
• 1:47:35
  You get the hippie nine 17 livery on that thing that look
• 1:47:38
  good going around your yard.
• 1:47:39
  Go.
• 1:47:39
  Yeah.
• 1:47:40
  Or the pink pig.
• 1:47:41
  The pink pig would work.
• 1:47:42
  Oh, that looked cool.
• 1:47:43
  Oh yeah.
• 1:47:45
  , that's what we buy for the holidays.
• 1:47:47
  Racing livery kits for our robotic vacuum.
• 1:47:50
  And autonomous lawnmowers, somebody make that, somebody start marketing that.
• 1:47:57
  Oh, that would be awesome.
• 1:47:58
  Meanwhile, I think Ikea is getting in the car business, right, Tanya?
• 1:48:03
  So there was an article that a Swedish company is making flat pack cars.
• 1:48:08
  What does that mean?
• 1:48:10
  However, it is not Ikea.
• 1:48:12
  Lies.
• 1:48:13
  Probably a subsidiary of Ikea.
• 1:48:15
  No.
• 1:48:15
  What I could gather is.
• 1:48:17
  The, yes, much like Ikea furniture that comes flat pack, the car is
• 1:48:22
  flat packed, I think maybe to reduce transportation costs or something to
• 1:48:26
  that effect, because it says that you still have to go to like an authorized
• 1:48:31
  service center to assemble the car.
• 1:48:33
  So it's not like, Oh, I got this flat pack car and I'm DIYing it in
• 1:48:36
  my basement or something like that.
• 1:48:38
  So I can only imagine it must be some effort to reduce transportation costs.
• 1:48:43
  In the 40s, I think it was Land Rover.
• 1:48:47
  Did that with the original, whatchamacallit, exported to
• 1:48:50
  different countries to get around taxation, regulation, whatever it is.
• 1:48:54
  They were flat, I mean, cause those things were just square pieces anyways.
• 1:48:57
  It wasn't anything crazy.
• 1:48:58
  They were basically almost a flat pack car.
• 1:49:01
  They would ship it out.
• 1:49:02
  It was Spain.
• 1:49:03
  I think South American stuff were very prevalent in this.
• 1:49:05
  Then they got assembled there and somehow it got around the taxation regulations
• 1:49:10
  away, how it would work, whatever.
• 1:49:11
  And I think they did it with many.
• 1:49:14
  I'm going to have a Brad moment with you.
• 1:49:15
  None of that matters.
• 1:49:17
  Okay.
• 1:49:18
  Let's boil this back for a second for everybody here and
• 1:49:23
  everybody listening at home.
• 1:49:25
  All of us at some point in our lives have put something together from Ikea.
• 1:49:30
  We all know how infuriating the instructions can be.
• 1:49:35
  And you imagine putting together a car.
• 1:49:37
  You aren't the one who has to follow those instructions because the
• 1:49:41
  certified Auto center is the one that has to follow those instructions.
• 1:49:45
  You're kidding me, right?
• 1:49:47
  I told you that.
• 1:49:47
  We're not listening when I spoke.
• 1:49:49
  It's not that you receive this flatback car on your doorstep
• 1:49:52
  like an Amazon delivery.
• 1:49:54
  It's that these arrive wherever and the mechanic shop are the
• 1:49:58
  ones that put them together.
• 1:49:59
  I want to put it together.
• 1:50:00
  That'd be the whole point.
• 1:50:01
  And it's not that I wasn't listening.
• 1:50:03
  I wanted you to say it again because I thought you were lying to me.
• 1:50:07
  Now you're telling me Joe Blow at Pep Boys making whatever an hour
• 1:50:12
  is putting together my Ikea car?
• 1:50:14
  Like, come on, man.
• 1:50:17
  Like, let's get real here.
• 1:50:19
  Guys making 50 an hour and just had an edible, I'll put it together.
• 1:50:24
  Does it make you feel better that they're not crash testing you?
• 1:50:27
  Okay, I'm out.
• 1:50:28
  That's even better.
• 1:50:30
  Oh geez, you can keep it.
• 1:50:33
  Oh, well, so since we're still thinking about the holidays, you
• 1:50:37
  know, maybe we'll flat pack ship some cars to people as a gift this year.
• 1:50:41
  We also have some rich people things to talk about.
• 1:50:44
  And William, I specifically pulled this one out for you, knowing the kind of cars
• 1:50:48
  you deal with, the people you deal with.
• 1:50:50
  And I want to know about these Bugatti.
• 1:50:52
  Sunglasses.
• 1:50:53
  I buy my sunglasses at Speedway.
• 1:50:56
  Ha ha ha ha ha!
• 1:50:57
  There you go.
• 1:50:58
  That's the American way.
• 1:50:59
  Bought my sunglasses at Buc ee's.
• 1:51:01
  Yeah, exactly.
• 1:51:02
  What you're telling me is, these Bugatti sunglasses are not on your Christmas list.
• 1:51:07
  God, no.
• 1:51:08
  Some of these things are tacky as hell.
• 1:51:09
  I mean, you gotta have just stupid money.
• 1:51:12
  Cause I mean, the cost, everything.
• 1:51:13
  I mean, I don't know.
• 1:51:14
  These have mother of pearl inlays.
• 1:51:17
  18 karat gold, black palladium accents, grade 5 titanium, carbon
• 1:51:23
  fiber, macassar ebony wood.
• 1:51:26
  Why wouldn't you want this for 2, 000?
• 1:51:29
  Yes.
• 1:51:30
  For you to accidentally sit on and break.
• 1:51:33
  Yeah.
• 1:51:34
  But when I'm in a foot race against the Tesla owner, do I beat them?
• 1:51:38
  Are they more aerodynamic?
• 1:51:40
  Are they wearing Tesla sunglasses?
• 1:51:42
  It doesn't matter.
• 1:51:43
  These things look like glasses that, you know, you're sitting down at a deli
• 1:51:47
  getting yourself a bowl of matzo soup.
• 1:51:50
  That or you're in like a lecture hall and your professor flips
• 1:51:53
  up as he came in from outside.
• 1:51:55
  I mean, they're just bizarre.
• 1:51:59
  Oh my God.
• 1:52:00
  People are buying and whatnot.
• 1:52:01
  And just imagine what the knockoffs will look like.
• 1:52:04
  Cause you know, those are coming right behind it.
• 1:52:05
  Someone's can change them just a little bit.
• 1:52:08
  So they don't get in trouble.
• 1:52:09
  God, those things look like the rounded corners on the Samsung, right?
• 1:52:14
  Oh, geez.
• 1:52:17
  Well, it's that time we go down south and talk about alligators and beer.
• 1:52:37
  You know, it's a light month this month.
• 1:52:39
  It was hard to find anything that was car adjacent or even mildly
• 1:52:43
  appropriate out of Florida.
• 1:52:45
  So it really wasn't a light month for Florida, but it's a light month
• 1:52:48
  for us on Florida news, but they never completely fail to deliver.
• 1:52:53
  As one gentleman recently delivered his car.
• 1:52:57
  Not only delivered, launched his Dodge Challenger into a canal.
• 1:53:01
  Yeah, he got some good air.
• 1:53:04
  The initial little graphic that's circling, little video clip at the
• 1:53:08
  beginning doesn't do it justice because there's the balcony that we're seeing this
• 1:53:12
  off of is some lady's security camera, bless her heart, captured the whole thing.
• 1:53:16
  And there's like three minutes of recording and you actually
• 1:53:19
  see what instigated this.
• 1:53:22
  Because in the background you see that Mercedes slowly creeping by.
• 1:53:26
  These two MFers were actually racing through the neighborhood.
• 1:53:30
  The Challenger didn't make the turn, the Mercedes did, and then really slowed
• 1:53:36
  down to watch the ensuing calamity.
• 1:53:38
  But dude didn't make the turn, went up on the curb, got airborne, basically
• 1:53:41
  shot off and down into the canal, and he's sitting there like floating.
• 1:53:45
  I don't know, he wouldn't get out of the car, I don't know why, and eventually
• 1:53:47
  he turned the windshield wipers on.
• 1:53:51
  And all these people are like coming out of the woodworks to like help.
• 1:53:55
  And then eventually one dude just finally jumps in to like drag him out of the car.
• 1:53:58
  Don't know why he wouldn't get out.
• 1:54:00
  And then like literally right as he does that, like the whole
• 1:54:02
  thing, like starts like going down.
• 1:54:04
  That was impressive how long it floated for.
• 1:54:06
  Surprising.
• 1:54:07
  Yeah.
• 1:54:08
  And what's hilarious about the race part, he didn't make the turn, but
• 1:54:12
  he's on the same Paleozoic era Mercedes chassis that the Mercedes is on.
• 1:54:16
  So you would think.
• 1:54:17
  They would be equally matched in that respect.
• 1:54:20
  But it does look like something straight out of Dukes of Hazzard.
• 1:54:23
  I mean, wow.
• 1:54:25
  Gotta love Florida.
• 1:54:27
  It's always good for something.
• 1:54:28
  I'll make a nice alligator home now in the canal.
• 1:54:30
  And how do you explain that one to your insurance company?
• 1:54:32
  I swerved to avoid an alligator and I ended up going from
• 1:54:35
  the curb and into the canal.
• 1:54:37
  Well at first I thought maybe he listened to last month about the guy in the
• 1:54:40
  Corolla that launched his car into the second floor of a Pennsylvania home.
• 1:54:43
  Maybe he was trying to re enact that.
• 1:54:46
  More than you can afford, pal.
• 1:54:48
  Geez, Louise.
• 1:54:49
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• 1:54:59
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• 1:55:03
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• 1:55:07
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• 1:55:11
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• 1:55:14
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• 1:55:16
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• 1:55:20
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• 1:55:23
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• 1:55:31
  com Trackside Report.
• 1:55:33
  So what's coming up in the fall?
• 1:55:34
  Not a whole heck of a lot on the east coast, unless you live in the
• 1:55:37
  southeast, places like Rhode, Atlanta, or down in Texas, like Coda and
• 1:55:41
  other racetracks, or even California.
• 1:55:43
  There's still plenty of track events that you can attend, but as things
• 1:55:45
  are starting to shut down and get colder, and those of us that have
• 1:55:48
  completed our seasons are going into hibernation and repair mode, that's okay.
• 1:55:52
  But there are still some other events you can catch up on.
• 1:55:55
  Even out here, but an important notice for folks headed to summit point,
• 1:55:59
  especially for the annual turkey bowl.
• 1:56:01
  There's a reminder that route 340 heading through Harper's Ferry from
• 1:56:06
  points east of that in Maryland, Virginia, the road is closed and it
• 1:56:10
  closed down starting on September the 12th and will be continued to be closed
• 1:56:14
  through December the 11th due to some rock slide repair projects going on.
• 1:56:19
  You can learn more about that.
• 1:56:20
  And if they open the road early.
• 1:56:22
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• 1:56:24
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  So if you are headed to summit point for the turkey bowl or some of the
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  remaining SCCA events, remember to plan an alternate route before you head out there.
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  In addition to that, HOD got a new feature on their website, something that you
• 1:56:36
  might be familiar with on other platforms like motorsport reg, they have this new
• 1:56:40
  thing called the show drivers feature.
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  Many of the drivers asked and HOD responded.
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  This new feature allows you to see who else is registered for
• 1:56:50
  the event that you're attending.
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  So that way you can make sure that your buddy registered or you can
• 1:56:53
  guilt trip them into going with you to the next NJMP Watkins Glen
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  VIR event on the HOD schedule.
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  That is an opt in optional feature.
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  You have to enable it during checkout, but if you do, other people can
• 1:57:06
  see if you're going to that event.
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  So it's kind of a nice feature to know who's going to be there.
• 1:57:10
  In the meantime, we got news from the SCDA, the Sports Car Driving
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  Association, based out of New England.
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  They have released their fall schedule, which starts now and includes
• 1:57:19
  events all the way through December.
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  It's a mix of high performance driver's clinics and half day HBDEs at Lime Rock
• 1:57:26
  with a season ender at NJMP Lightning.
• 1:57:30
  NJMP Thunderbolt is undergoing renovations and has been officially
• 1:57:34
  closed down for the season.
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  We have updates on its progress through their media team on our Clubhouse
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  website, so be sure to visit club.
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  gtmotorsports.
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  org for more information on all the upcoming changes to NJMP.
• 1:57:47
  By the way, you're still in time for the annual fall finale at Virginia
• 1:57:51
  International Raceway with the Audi Club.
• 1:57:53
  That's going to happen on November 4 or 5 weekend, same time as the International
• 1:57:57
  Motor Racing Research Center Symposium.
• 1:57:59
  So if you want to go to the track, sign up today on Motorsport Reg.
• 1:58:02
  Also, For ACO members or folks thinking about signing up for the Automobile
• 1:58:07
  Club of the West, there is an early access to the 2024 Le Mans 101st event
• 1:58:14
  starting on November the 7th at 10 AM and discounts will apply accordingly.
• 1:58:19
  So check out the website for more details or check out our website for how you
• 1:58:23
  can learn more about the ACO and its new features for members in the United States.
• 1:58:28
  In case you missed out, check out the other podcast
• 1:58:30
  episodes that aired this month.
• 1:58:31
  We kicked off September with the former editor in chief of Motor
• 1:58:34
  Trend and Motor Trend Classic, the one and only Matt Stone.
• 1:58:38
  More than just a journalist, learn about all the cars he's
• 1:58:41
  test driven during his career.
• 1:58:43
  We did a two part episode chronicling famed entrepreneur Malcolm Bricklin's
• 1:58:46
  journey from Labretta Scooters to founding Subaru of America, to the
• 1:58:50
  Yugo, to the Bricklin SV1, and now his latest endeavor, Visionary Vehicles.
• 1:58:56
  We return to Brock Packard's episode with part two titled,
• 1:58:59
  Is iRacing Still the King?
• 1:59:01
  with an in depth look at the world of esports.
• 1:59:03
  Want to get away from it all?
• 1:59:05
  How about a custom tailored experience from Boulder Campervans?
• 1:59:08
  We sit down with founder Brian Kreider and learn about all
• 1:59:11
  your options on and off grid.
• 1:59:13
  We take and unpack the definition of sports cars with Skip McGowan from
• 1:59:17
  the Society of Automotive Historians.
• 1:59:19
  And in a special Halloween crossover with returning guest Caroline Ford
• 1:59:23
  and her co host Tracy Bannon from Tech Transforms Podcast, we open the coffin
• 1:59:28
  and exhume the scary intersection between cybersecurity and your daily driver.
• 1:59:33
  Thanks again to everyone that came on the show.
• 1:59:35
  Reminder, this is the last official drive thru for the season, and be sure
• 1:59:39
  to tune in to our upcoming holiday special and best of the drive thru, and
• 1:59:44
  we'll be back after the winter break.
• 1:59:46
  New Patreons for October, we want to give a shout out and welcome back to
• 1:59:50
  Chris Waite from the DMV region of GTM.
• 1:59:53
  He rejoins the team and he has also become a Patreon VIP.
• 1:59:58
  The current Society of Automotive Historians President Bob Barr
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  renewed his GTM membership and also became a Patreon VIP.
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  So we want to thank both of you and salute you for your ongoing support and
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  contribution to keeping BrakeFix and all of the services GTM provides going.
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  In addition to that, we have a couple of anniversaries to celebrate.
• 2:00:17
  Doug Turner and Ben Scherf are celebrating eight years with GTM and
• 2:00:21
  Mike Ruber and Nate Burton clock in at three along with Greg Bell celebrating
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  two years with Gran Torre Motorsports.
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  If you'd like to become a member of the GTM Clubhouse, be sure
• 2:00:31
  to check out the website club.
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  gtmotorsports.
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  org and sign up today for free.
• 2:00:36
  With that, I'd like to thank our special guest host, William Ross,
• 2:00:41
  for filling in for Brad this month and sharing a ton of Ferrari news
• 2:00:45
  along with commentary along the way throughout our busy fall schedule here.
• 2:00:49
  But William, like any good Brake Fix episode, I want to give you
• 2:00:52
  the opportunity to shout out, promote, or mention anything
• 2:00:55
  that we haven't covered thus far.
• 2:00:57
  We covered a lot of bases, you know, going into this winter break here.
• 2:01:00
  We had a lot of fun with this, you know, just want to keep everyone
• 2:01:03
  in mind to pay attention to not only the Ferrari marketplace.
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  com, the Porsche marketplace.
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  com, but our umbrella site, exotic car marketplace.
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  com.
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  We have a lot of good stuff coming, a lot of collaborations and partnerships
• 2:01:15
  that are going to be coming up here in the near future that we're going to
• 2:01:17
  be putting a lot of things together.
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  It's going to be a lot of exciting stuff and.
• 2:01:21
  We're going to have a lot more stuff going on on the site itself in regards
• 2:01:24
  to not only cars available, but events pay attention to some vehicles we
• 2:01:29
  have, or I should say I have coming up that are going to be available.
• 2:01:32
  So it's going to be a lot of exciting stuff because we're going
• 2:01:34
  to really try and push it out in regards to not just written word,
• 2:01:37
  but also our YouTube channel, getting those things going as well.
• 2:01:40
  But we got a lot of exciting things coming your way, I should say.
• 2:01:44
  So just keep a track, just keep on checking the site and checking back.
• 2:01:47
  And a lot of the new things we got coming out, cause it's going to be a lot of fun.
• 2:01:50
  We're going to see a lot of cool stuff.
• 2:01:51
  Not only that, it's not going to be the last time we see William in
• 2:01:54
  the halls of break, fix podcast.
• 2:01:56
  That's for sure.
• 2:01:56
  We're going to have you back on subsequent.
• 2:01:59
  What should I buy as an other episode.
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  So it's always a pleasure to work with you, William.
• 2:02:02
  And thank you again for stepping up and filling in for Brad.
• 2:02:05
  Yeah, no, it's been a blast.
• 2:02:06
  And Hey, I'm Brad.
• 2:02:07
  If you're listening, I hope that baby's not keeping me up too much.
• 2:02:10
  And congrats.
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