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Female federal judge's son shot dead, hubby in ICU after daylight attack AT HOME. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, the
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Speaker 1: family of a federal judge has been ambust shot, her
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Speaker 1: only son shot dead in the family home. Why I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. First of all, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends NBC for York. It's believes Salis's husband, well known
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney Mark Andrell, was shot multiple times after
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Speaker 1: answering the door late Sunday. The couple's twenty year old
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Speaker 1: son was then shot moments later by a suspect, the
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Speaker 1: source confirms, dressed as a delivery truck driver. I never
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Speaker 1: even would have thought I go around here with my friends.
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Speaker 1: Every day we walk around here. I see Daniel out
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Speaker 1: with his dad baseball, playing with their basketball who all
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Speaker 1: the time. I wouldn't even imagine. Salis has served in
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Speaker 1: her role for the last nine years. She's the first
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Speaker 1: Hispanic woman to sit on the federal bench in New Jersey.
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Speaker 1: She made headlines after presiding over recent high profile cases
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Speaker 1: like the fraud trial of Real Housewife star Teresa Judy Jay.
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Speaker 1: I find it very difficult to believe that Teresa Juda Chay,
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Speaker 1: the Real Housewife, had anything at all to do with this.
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Speaker 1: The other high profile cases that the judge has presided
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Speaker 1: over include cases about gangs like the Crips and the
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Speaker 1: Bloods cartel members, even recently being signed a case related
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Speaker 1: to the billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. She just got that
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Speaker 1: case on Thursday, hasn't really even had a chance to
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Speaker 1: make rulings on it, good or bad? With me an
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Speaker 1: all star panel, including Mark Iglarsh, renown criminal defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Florida. He has a website, Speak
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow dot com and as author of a brand new book,
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Speaker 1: be Happy by Choice, Happiness Guaranteed or your money Back
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Speaker 1: on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold Psychiatrists, joining us out of
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortesi, former FBI Special Agent the
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Speaker 1: FBI now on the case. New guests joining us, Please
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Speaker 1: welcome Jennifer Schenn forensic pathologists, former director of the San
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Speaker 1: Diego Police Department Crime Lab. That's not an easy job,
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Speaker 1: and you can find her at jen Schenn forensics dot com.
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Speaker 1: But straight out now to Nicole Parton Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, Nicole, what do we know? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's very rare, statistically that a case goes down like
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Speaker 1: this in broad daylight on a Sunday afternoon and very
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Speaker 1: upscale neighborhood, low crime area, at someone's home. What more
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Speaker 1: you tell me, Nicole Parton. What we know, Nancy is
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Speaker 1: that sometime around five o'clock in this upscale community, the
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Speaker 1: doorbell rang and apparently the gunman was dressed as a
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Speaker 1: FedEx delivery driver rang the bell. The judge's son and
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Speaker 1: husband both come to the door and they're greeted with
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Speaker 1: a bombardment of gunfire. Son David twenty, is shot and killed.
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Speaker 1: Her husband bombarded multiple gunshot wounds. We know that he
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Speaker 1: is now fighting for his life in critical condition. The
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Speaker 1: judge was unharmed. Judge Solace was in the basement at
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Speaker 1: the time, but both of her family members gunned down
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Speaker 1: and what's being called an assassination attempt gone wrong. Jeff Cortesi,
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Speaker 1: former FBI special Agent. The FBI have been brought in
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Speaker 1: on the case. She is a federal judge. Of course,
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Speaker 1: the local police are on it too. We know that
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood at this moment is still cordoned off. Police
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Speaker 1: are going door to door asking people or any eyewitness
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Speaker 1: testimony anything that they can reveal as to that vehicle
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Speaker 1: or the shooter again dressed as a fed Ex delivery person.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes. First of all, it is not uncommon for
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Speaker 1: a judge or a prosecutor to get death threats. I've
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Speaker 1: had them. I've had my door kicked in, my mailbox,
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Speaker 1: ruined my car, tire slashed, the windows of my car
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Speaker 1: broken so many times. I knew the number for doctor
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Speaker 1: Glass by heart during trials, and I'd have my car
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Speaker 1: parked in the courthouse parking lot. So that's not unusual.
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Speaker 1: But for one of those threats to actually be carried
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Speaker 1: out is unusual. Jeff Cortesi, what do you think? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I know, I fully agree, Nancy. The death threats are
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Speaker 1: very common. Assassination attaps not so much, you know, showing
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Speaker 1: up in a fed uniform. Obviously you want to be
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Speaker 1: able to get close to the home without suspicion. You
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Speaker 1: know this, This certainly looks like something organized, well planned out.
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Speaker 1: You know, the canvassing of the neighborhood. There'll be talking
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Speaker 1: to the neighbors, asking Friday witness testimony, CCTV information, anything
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Speaker 1: they can do to identify vehicles, motor transportation, direction of travel, etc.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about a case we are all familiar with.
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Speaker 1: Mike Eigilars, criminal defense attorney out of Florida and author,
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Speaker 1: speak to Mark dot com. Mark, I know that you
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Speaker 1: and I both covered and carefully watched the Junifer Duelo's case,
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Speaker 1: the missing Connecticut mom of five. We all know she's dead.
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Speaker 1: Photus Duelos, the husband and his lover. Now, of course
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Speaker 1: the targets. Did you see the surveillance in that case,
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Speaker 1: Because cops put together surveillance leaving the victim's home through
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Speaker 1: the neighborhood, getting neighbors, burglar cams, front door security surveillance,
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Speaker 1: stop signs, all the way through to where the husband
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Speaker 1: had the vehicle cleaned at a car wash, and then
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Speaker 1: actually going to a location where they thought they thought
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Speaker 1: for a minute the body was but the mom's car
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Speaker 1: was found abandoned. They also threw use of security cameras
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Speaker 1: being on red lights at stores, in people's homes, outside
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Speaker 1: their homes. Even Mark R. Glash Eyeglash using video surveillance
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Speaker 1: from school buses when the doors would open, and public
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Speaker 1: transportation buses, you could see Dulos's car driving by. That
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Speaker 1: is very high tech. They could be doing that right
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Speaker 1: now in this case, I have that expectation. We're not
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Speaker 1: the seventies anymore. Now, there's an expectation that if something
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Speaker 1: is done in broad daylight like is that there must
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Speaker 1: be plenty of video that can show who it was,
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Speaker 1: who did it. I don't know if that's realistic. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what steps he took to conceal his identity
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Speaker 1: once he committed the act. I do want to go
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Speaker 1: back to one other point. Everyone seemed so far to
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Speaker 1: suggest this was like an assassination attempt. My thought wasn't
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Speaker 1: right away that they tried to kill a judge. My
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Speaker 1: thought right away was, Okay, who's this twenty year old son?
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Speaker 1: Who's the husband? You know? I think that this equally
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Speaker 1: could have been targeted towards them as well as a judge.
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Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that this was about killing a judge,
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Speaker 1: not just yet. You know what, Mark Iglarsh, That's exactly
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Speaker 1: what I said. First thing, Because the husband's the one
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Speaker 1: in the ICU right now, the sun is the one
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Speaker 1: that shot in the heart. We know the husband apparently
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Speaker 1: took multiple gun shots. There's been a lot of confusion
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Speaker 1: about who answered the door. Most outlets are saying that
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Speaker 1: the husband answered the door, and that the sun came
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Speaker 1: in right behind him upon hearing a commotion. Other reports
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Speaker 1: say the son answered the door. But long story short,
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Speaker 1: I believe we can all agree to cole Parton that
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Speaker 1: the husband took more than one gunshot wound. Correct. That's correct.
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Speaker 1: He received a multiple gunshot wound, the sun one or
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Speaker 1: more shots. We are being told that he was dead
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Speaker 1: upon arrival. Instantly he passed away. He was shot through
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Speaker 1: the heart, according to the local mayor Crime Stories. With
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace joining me now forensic pithologists former director of
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Speaker 1: the San Diego Police Department Crime Lab, Jennifer Schen For
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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, we are talking about
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Speaker 1: a federal judge whose family was gunned down in their
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Speaker 1: home of Scale neighborhood Low Crime, dressed as a FedEx
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Speaker 1: delivery person. Was it a hit on the judge? If not?
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Speaker 1: If so, why didn't they shoot the judge? Why the
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Speaker 1: defense attorney husband, Why the sun? Their only child a
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Speaker 1: student at Catholic University just twenty years old. Jennifer Schen,
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Speaker 1: I got a lot of ideas running through my head
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Speaker 1: about what I think they should be doing right now,
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Speaker 1: such as we know the delivery person had to ring
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Speaker 1: the doorbell or knock on the door. I'd be all
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Speaker 1: over that door, railings, posts, columns, glass on the door,
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Speaker 1: you name it. If there's a gate leading into the home,
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Speaker 1: the gate, if the perp walked by the car, the
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Speaker 1: family car, and touched it, anything he could have touched,
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Speaker 1: I put out an APB. Is it a white mail, blackmail,
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Speaker 1: haspanic mail? Everything we know which may not be a lot.
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Speaker 1: The husband's still an ICU. Jennifer, you can't really give
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Speaker 1: a description, but certainly that bullet needs to be sent
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Speaker 1: through the data bank for bullets to determine if it's
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Speaker 1: been used and another occasion, possibly get the gun, long shot,
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Speaker 1: trace the car, follow the car through video surveillance to
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Speaker 1: try to find it. It's probably destroyed by now, So
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Speaker 1: help me out. Jennifer Schen, you're the pathologist, you're the
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Speaker 1: forensic specialist. What do you think? Well, I agree with you.
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Speaker 1: That was an excellent rundown of the evidence that we
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Speaker 1: would look for. There could be quite a bit of
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Speaker 1: evidence that would help link someone to this crime. It's
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Speaker 1: hard to stay and you covered many of those things
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Speaker 1: that we would certainly be looking for. Fingerprints on those
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Speaker 1: surfaces they mentioned, and we'd be looking for a touch DNA.
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Speaker 1: I want to concentrate for a secondmount of cartridge cases.
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Speaker 1: So it depends on what type of weaponness was that
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Speaker 1: there was. There was there are several shots, they're likely
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Speaker 1: firearms evidence at that scene. And I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: super interesting about forensics is over the last five or
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Speaker 1: six years, it becomes we have advanced so much that
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Speaker 1: you can find DNA on almost anything, and you can
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Speaker 1: find DNA on fired cartridge cases, which seems like you
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Speaker 1: couldn't that we can do it. And so what we
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Speaker 1: would do then it's close those cartridge cases and we
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Speaker 1: would analyze into DNA because if there is being a present,
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Speaker 1: you may be able to link that to someone if
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Speaker 1: they convict they convicted the previous creme of some sort
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Speaker 1: more put into the DNA database. In addition to that,
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Speaker 1: we would you're right, we would take those cartridge cases
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Speaker 1: or the trajector the bullets, the missiles, and we would
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Speaker 1: put them into a national firearms database. For using microscopic
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Speaker 1: little marks on those cartridge cases, you can compare them
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Speaker 1: to other shootings from other places. Because if you can
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Speaker 1: connect shootings one scene to another. You might be able
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Speaker 1: to collect evidence from one scene and another together to
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Speaker 1: give you an idea who the suspect is if you
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Speaker 1: didn't have the evidence in just one pen alone. So
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of possibilities here. To Jeff Cortesi, former
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Speaker 1: FBI special Agent, to me, this sounds like a professional hit.
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Speaker 1: What do you think, well, you know, the degree of
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Speaker 1: professionalism is yet to be known, but it certainly is
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Speaker 1: a planned out hit. It's it's assuming that the information
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Speaker 1: we've received so far is correct, that they were wearing
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Speaker 1: the individuals wearing a FedEx shirt, you know, anything that
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Speaker 1: shows a certain degree of pre planning, the ability to
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Speaker 1: get close to the home without drawing suspicion, like a
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Speaker 1: delivery person. You know, thus far, it doesn't appear to
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Speaker 1: be something haphazard and unthought out. Of course, a professional hit,
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Speaker 1: I believe, could also tell someone lying in wait so
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Speaker 1: they're not identified in any way, which certainly was not
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Speaker 1: the case here. But to doctor Angela Arnold renounce psychiatrists
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Speaker 1: joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Arnold, either
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Speaker 1: this guy was paid to do the killing and if
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Speaker 1: the judge was the target, he failed, or it's someone
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Speaker 1: bearing a grudge. You would think if it was someone
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Speaker 1: bearing a grudge either against the judge, her defense lawyer, husband,
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Speaker 1: or their son. Hard for me to imagine it's their son.
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Speaker 1: He's just twenty. I mean, what has he really done
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Speaker 1: in life? You get a grudge that would conjure up
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Speaker 1: a hit man. But think about it, doctor Angela. If
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Speaker 1: it was a grudge, this person had to bide their time.
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Speaker 1: And when you're that angry you want to kill. Is
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Speaker 1: that consistent with biding your time and creating a well
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Speaker 1: thought out planned to kill. These are such high profile
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Speaker 1: cases that this judge has involved in. It doesn't sound
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Speaker 1: to me like this is someone that's holding a grudge.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like this was boy. I would not want
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Speaker 1: to be any part of a Jeffrey Epstein case, would you.
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Speaker 1: But now, wait a minute before he dragged Epstein into it? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Epstein ends up dead behind bars, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not convinced it was suicide. But she was just assigned
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Speaker 1: the Epstein case last week. She hasn't even had a
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Speaker 1: chance to make a ruling good or bad, to make
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Speaker 1: anybody mad. She just got the case, and it's a
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Speaker 1: very attenuated case, Doctor Angela. Because it involves Deutsche Bank
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Speaker 1: and claims against Deutsche Bank that they misled people about
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Speaker 1: their vetting process of people they gave loans to or
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Speaker 1: did business with, because they did business with Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: the billionaire pedophile. So it's Epstein adjacent. It's not really
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Speaker 1: a out Epstein. It's about Deutsche banks lending and business
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Speaker 1: policies and did they mislead people about how they vetted
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Speaker 1: their clients. I mean, if you give multimillion dollars loans
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Speaker 1: to people that can't pay or are criminals, those loans
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Speaker 1: are going to fall through and all of the bank
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Speaker 1: customers are going to take the heat for it. That's
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Speaker 1: what it's about. It per se about Epstein. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: she handle cases about the Crypts, gangs, the Blood Gang,
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Speaker 1: cartel members, Teresa, Judah, Jay the Housewife, a lot of
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Speaker 1: high profile cases. But all judges do that, not dra
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. Well, I'll tell you something. I think it's
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Speaker 1: best to go looking for what's head on in front
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Speaker 1: of you first instead of trying to look for Zebras.
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Speaker 1: She is a very she's a judge who takes care
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Speaker 1: of very high profile cases. And I have a feeling
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Speaker 1: that this assassination attempt, which we could possibly call it
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Speaker 1: is connected to one of those high profile cases. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the cases. Let's talk about the husband,
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Speaker 1: the defense attorney that was shot multiple times. I think
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Speaker 1: it's very critical. Mark I Glars joining me criminal defense
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Speaker 1: attorney out of Florida. You can find him at speak
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Speaker 1: to Martin dot com. Mark, don't you think if the
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Speaker 1: hit was on the judge, they would have killed the judge? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I'm not. I am not buying that the intended targets
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Speaker 1: were hit. Um. I mean meaning that that strike that
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Speaker 1: the targets were these these two. If they wanted the judge,
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Speaker 1: they would have walked into the house and finished the job.
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Speaker 1: So again, I want to know who this twenty year
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Speaker 1: old is. You say he's only been on this earth
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Speaker 1: a short time. In twenty years, he could and again
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Speaker 1: this is I don't mean to disparage you know, the
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Speaker 1: victim in any way, but I'd want to know his history,
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Speaker 1: you know, what was he involved with. I'd want to
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Speaker 1: know the judge, I mean the husband. Also, I've had
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Speaker 1: clients whom you have expressed desire to want to do
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Speaker 1: me harm after the results were not what they expected
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Speaker 1: i'd want to know the latest cases. I don't. I
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Speaker 1: am not jumping on the assassination bandwagon just yet. As
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Speaker 1: far as it relates to the judge, Yeah, crime stories
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, we are talking about the shooting death
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Speaker 1: of a judge's only child, her son, twenty year old Daniel,
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Speaker 1: and the very serious shooting of her husband. Defense attorney
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Speaker 1: Mark and Earl was the judge targeted. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. That husband and father rushed in very critical
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Speaker 1: and in surgery. The exact condition where he was shot,
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Speaker 1: we don't know that yet, but again we're being told
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Speaker 1: from our sources that he was shot multiple times. And
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Speaker 1: again within the last few moments, we've confirmed that the
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Speaker 1: couple's son, in his twenties, has died after this shooting.
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Speaker 1: As for the judge, we are told from our sources
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Speaker 1: she was actually in the basement of the home at
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Speaker 1: the time and was not injured. Taking back out live
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Speaker 1: here to the neighborhood where federal investigators right now continue
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Speaker 1: their search. We just got a statement in moments ago
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Speaker 1: from the FBI confirming that they are investigating the shooting,
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Speaker 1: and tonight that they say that they are looking for
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Speaker 1: one subject they're asking anyone who thinks they might have
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Speaker 1: information on who this shooter is, they're asked to turn
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Speaker 1: that person over to investigators immediately. Again. Judge Esther Salis
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Speaker 1: her son killed her husband now biting for his life
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Speaker 1: in the hospital right now as federal agents search for
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Speaker 1: a killer. Guys, you were hearing our friends at NBC four.
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Speaker 1: That was Adam Harning. Right now, the search is on
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Speaker 1: for a single gunman in the shooting death of the
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Speaker 1: family of Judge Esther Salis, a federal court judge who
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Speaker 1: has presided over a lot of high profile cases. Salis
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Speaker 1: herself apparently in the basement at the time of the shooting.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to take a look at what
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Speaker 1: happened to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special Agent Jeff The
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Speaker 1: shooting takes place broad Delight, five o'clock on a Sunday afternoon.
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Speaker 1: That's not typically a hot spot, a hot time for shootings.
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Speaker 1: Usually murders like this happen you know, at nighttime, not
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Speaker 1: in an upscale neighborhood with a low crime rate, not
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Speaker 1: in a neighborhood where you know everybody has surveillance video
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Speaker 1: out the ying yang. What do you make of the
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Speaker 1: timing of the shooting Jeff, Yeah, you know five o'clock
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Speaker 1: is not what it necessarily used to be. There a
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Speaker 1: lot of people working from home. Uh that that maybe
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Speaker 1: a historically would have been traveling to and from work
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Speaker 1: at that time. I don't know how much that necessarily
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Speaker 1: plays into it. But it's on a Sunday, there's the
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Speaker 1: five o'clock commute. It's not the same one Sunday as
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Speaker 1: it would be on Monday to Friday. No, absolutely, And
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Speaker 1: and you know, in light of the time, the lack
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Speaker 1: of cover from from the night, the likelihood of CCTV
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Speaker 1: being in the neighborhood, you know that there are, like
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, steps that were taken to get close.
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Speaker 1: But this is more about the completion than it is
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Speaker 1: about necessarily getting away with it, is what my read
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Speaker 1: would it would be. Um, you know, they were more
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Speaker 1: inclined or more interested in getting the job done than
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Speaker 1: maybe even necessarily getting away with it. And of course,
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Speaker 1: you Mark, I go oursh criminal defense turning out of Florida.
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Speaker 1: This is a federal judge that could make this a
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Speaker 1: federal case, and the fans do have the death penalty
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Speaker 1: for case is just like this, so somebody is risking
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Speaker 1: their own life to take out members of the judges family. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this could result the death penalty. I'd like to know
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Speaker 1: who it is who did it first. It's like to
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Speaker 1: see their background. There's a lot that goes into that
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Speaker 1: whole analysis. To Jennifer Shan, forensic pathologists joining me, former
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Speaker 1: director of San Diego Police Parma Crime Lab at jen
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Speaker 1: Schen Forensics dot com. Jennifer, how difficult would it be
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Speaker 1: to disguise that vehicle? We haven't been told if the
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Speaker 1: vehicle was outfitted to look like a FedEx truck or not.
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Speaker 1: But that VM number, the v I N that every
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Speaker 1: car is like a fingerprint and it's embedded into the
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Speaker 1: car that could be changed out. That that vehicle could
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Speaker 1: be at a chop shop right now. Yeah, you're right
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Speaker 1: about that. And I was actually wondering what kind of
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Speaker 1: vehicle the person arrived in. It's your point earlier. You know,
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Speaker 1: a neighborhood like this, it's going to have an exceptional
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Speaker 1: number of video cameras, surveillance systems, so it is you know,
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Speaker 1: there will be so many tools that can be used
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Speaker 1: to help find that car. And I don't know, I'm
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Speaker 1: listening to how this all went down. I wonder, I
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Speaker 1: wonder if it seems a little erratics, the shooting not
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Speaker 1: really completing. I don't know what job this person was
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Speaker 1: trying to complete, but in and out in a way,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that there would. I think there's a
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Speaker 1: good chance that they could find the car based upon
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Speaker 1: the surveillance videos, and after finding the car, then be
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Speaker 1: able to track down this person. It is. You are
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Speaker 1: capable of skyping vehicles. You can despise the license plate number,
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Speaker 1: as you said, you can change that the van number.
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Speaker 1: You can do the whole chop chop routine. But that's
22:43
Speaker 1: that's pretty advanced, and I don't know if that's the
22:46
Speaker 1: situation in this case, if this person is that advanced,
22:49
Speaker 1: or just scrape off the van and burn the saying right,
22:53
Speaker 1: an incredible amount of planning went into the shooting. But
22:57
Speaker 1: if this is a professional hit, does that mean that
23:03
Speaker 1: Judge Esther Salas was not the target? The husband shot
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Speaker 1: once he's in I see you the sun shot multiple times.
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Speaker 1: It's what we're getting right now from the crime scene.
23:15
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Who was the real target? Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS two, please telling
23:22
Speaker 1: us that that gunman was dressed up as a delivery
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Speaker 1: man when he rang the doorbell here at their home,
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Speaker 1: right here behind me, and when they opened the door,
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Speaker 1: he opened fire, shooting Federal Judge Esther Salis's husband and
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Speaker 1: killing their twenty year old son. Now please have been
23:38
Speaker 1: out here on scene investigating since this happened around five
23:41
Speaker 1: o'clock Sunday night. Her husband, Mark Andrell, a defense defense attorney,
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Speaker 1: answered the door and was shot and rushed to the hospital.
23:49
Speaker 1: Their twenty year old son, Daniel, was also shot and
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Speaker 1: according to authorities, was killed. Now sourced to say Judge
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Speaker 1: to Salas was not injured, that she was in the
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Speaker 1: basement at the time, and the gunman got away. Now
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Speaker 1: grief shooken Ebers are in shock and can't imagine why
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Speaker 1: anyone would want to harm the family. I mean, just
24:08
Speaker 1: very good natured, wonderful people. So hopefully they'll be okay.
24:12
Speaker 1: And that said, we love them very very much. That's
24:15
Speaker 1: all I can say. We love them very very much,
24:17
Speaker 1: and we do anything for them, and I think they
24:19
Speaker 1: would do anything for anyone. May to you Mark I
24:22
Speaker 1: Glass joining me, criminal defense attorney out of Florida. You know,
24:25
Speaker 1: at a certain echelon. Defense attorneys pick and shoes the
24:29
Speaker 1: cases they want. You know, like there's a lawyer that
24:33
Speaker 1: represents only Atlanta Falcons. They're defense attorneys that only do
24:40
Speaker 1: and I trust defense once you get to a certain
24:46
Speaker 1: let me just say, echelon, you're not wandering the courthouse
24:49
Speaker 1: getting a point of cases anymore, taking whatever the judge
24:52
Speaker 1: throws at you. Let's think about what was this lawyer
24:58
Speaker 1: her husband? What kind of case he says did he pick?
25:02
Speaker 1: He's a defense lawyer, was he appointed to take cases?
25:06
Speaker 1: Did he do drug cases? Did he do high profile
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Speaker 1: cases where someone would want to kill him? Did he
25:13
Speaker 1: know about criminal dealings that someone was afraid he would
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Speaker 1: right out to his wife the judge. I mean, when
25:20
Speaker 1: you look at it, the sun is the only one dead.
25:24
Speaker 1: But the sun was home from college. How did they
25:27
Speaker 1: even know if the sun was gonna be there? So
25:30
Speaker 1: there's so many questions right now about who is a
25:33
Speaker 1: real target. There's no rate, there's no sex assault, there's
25:36
Speaker 1: no theft, so we know it wasn't the typical reasons
25:40
Speaker 1: for burglary. We don't even know if the guy even
25:42
Speaker 1: went across the front threshold. It sounds like he started
25:46
Speaker 1: shooting when people came to the door. So what do
25:49
Speaker 1: you make about the possibility the husband was the target.
25:53
Speaker 1: I think that that's equally as plausible a scenario, just
25:56
Speaker 1: as it could be the sun, because I don't know
25:58
Speaker 1: if the Sun was into game, ambling or drugs or
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Speaker 1: anything like that, as it could be the judge. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would look into the latest cases this gentleman took.
26:11
Speaker 1: If there's some, you know, some drug cases involving some
26:16
Speaker 1: dangerous folks, I'd like to know that maybe he devoted
26:18
Speaker 1: his practice to only representing innocent people like I have.
26:22
Speaker 1: I mean, he hasn't had a case in years, But
26:25
Speaker 1: I digress. Let's take a look and see who he's
26:28
Speaker 1: really representing. And something tells me that in recent times
26:33
Speaker 1: it would be somebody who had a beef with him,
26:35
Speaker 1: who didn't get the outcome that they wanted, who pulled
26:37
Speaker 1: the cape fear on him in some way. I think
26:40
Speaker 1: that the police have to look into that. Angle Cime
26:55
Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, you guys were talking about a horror,
27:00
Speaker 1: terrific shooting. Judge Esther Salas on the bench the Federal
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Speaker 1: bench in the District Court at home on a Sunday
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Speaker 1: afternoon doorbell rings, husband's son go the door and they're
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Speaker 1: both shot multiple times. We know the sun shot through
27:20
Speaker 1: the heart. We've been told the husband has been shot
27:22
Speaker 1: multiple times. Is this a hit on the judge or not?
27:27
Speaker 1: The judge remains unscathed physically, although straight out to you,
27:31
Speaker 1: doctor Angela Arnold, I can't imagine a pain worse than
27:36
Speaker 1: losing your only child. Oh my gosh. And and she
27:40
Speaker 1: stands the chance of losing her husband also. It sounds
27:42
Speaker 1: like we know that this guy, the husband, was a
27:46
Speaker 1: former prosecutor for over ten years. He then became a
27:50
Speaker 1: defense attorney and has tried a lot of cases. And
27:53
Speaker 1: let me tell you, after trying a lot of cases,
27:55
Speaker 1: you make a lot of enemies to Nicole apartment. What
27:58
Speaker 1: do we know about the sun Daniel? We know that
28:01
Speaker 1: Daniel was entering his junior year at the Catholic University
28:04
Speaker 1: of America down NBC. We know that he made the
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Speaker 1: University of Arts and Science Being List in the spring.
28:10
Speaker 1: He was an up and coming baseball star. And we're
28:13
Speaker 1: hearing from a next door neighbor who frequently talked to
28:16
Speaker 1: the husband Mark that their Sunday afternoon routine was for
28:20
Speaker 1: Mark and his son Daniel to go down to the
28:23
Speaker 1: nearby baseball park where they tossed the baseball where the
28:27
Speaker 1: sun Daniel practiced baseball. A neighbor saying, they're even surprised
28:31
Speaker 1: that the two of them were home because typically they
28:34
Speaker 1: were gone on a Sunday afternoon. So okay, hearing that,
28:38
Speaker 1: Jeff CORTEZI, former FBI special agent, knowing those facts, is
28:42
Speaker 1: that change your opinion? Well, you know, I think it's
28:46
Speaker 1: too early to have too strong opinion one way or
28:48
Speaker 1: the other. I think, you know, all options have to
28:51
Speaker 1: remain open. That certainly is an important note. But again,
28:55
Speaker 1: we don't know the level of sophistication of the individual
28:58
Speaker 1: who fired the the rounds into their house. So you know,
29:02
Speaker 1: was it something that they would possibly know, what level
29:04
Speaker 1: of surveillance could they have conducted prior to? Was this
29:08
Speaker 1: a you know, a response to something recent that had
29:12
Speaker 1: occurred and it was you know, thrown a fed Ex
29:14
Speaker 1: shirt on and had an over there and doing it,
29:16
Speaker 1: or was it something more planned out? So you know,
29:19
Speaker 1: all options are on the table, All potential targets are
29:22
Speaker 1: on the table until proven otherwise. At this point, straight
29:26
Speaker 1: back out to you, Nicole parton what else, can you
29:29
Speaker 1: tell us anything about the neighborhood, about the family, anything
29:32
Speaker 1: at all, an upscale neighborhood. His colleagues, marks colleagues are
29:36
Speaker 1: beginning to speak out, saying that he was well loved,
29:39
Speaker 1: well liked among his peers, no known threats that he
29:43
Speaker 1: had spoke of amongst his peers or in the office.
29:47
Speaker 1: Son Daniel, a very upstanding young man doing well in college.
29:51
Speaker 1: At this point, the neighbors are just devastated, saying that
29:54
Speaker 1: they haven't heard of anything going on, that they can't
29:57
Speaker 1: imagine that anyone would want to harm them. You know,
30:00
Speaker 1: I still find it very unlikely that the sun is
30:03
Speaker 1: the target. To you, Jennifer Shan, forensic pathologist, help us
30:08
Speaker 1: illuminate this case with your knowledge. Well, you know, I've
30:13
Speaker 1: seen so many crime teams over the years, and it
30:15
Speaker 1: always surprises me what people do when committing crimes. So
30:19
Speaker 1: I'm still looking at this case and wondering. Because the
30:22
Speaker 1: person came to the front door. First of all, if
30:24
Speaker 1: the target was judge that this person would have to
30:27
Speaker 1: get through two men in the doorway. And I think
30:30
Speaker 1: once that you the door is open in your face,
30:33
Speaker 1: was not one but two, you know, essentially grown men
30:35
Speaker 1: and you opened fire to at that point in a
30:38
Speaker 1: neighborhood like that, go through the foyer and then into
30:42
Speaker 1: the house to find the judge that would be That
30:45
Speaker 1: would be a pretty gut see maneuver because you've already
30:48
Speaker 1: alerted everyone to your presence. So I I mean, I
30:52
Speaker 1: just I think it's going to be really interesting. I
30:55
Speaker 1: agree with the investigators who would say that it's all
30:59
Speaker 1: options are on the table because you just have no
31:02
Speaker 1: idea what was going on in that person's head. There
31:04
Speaker 1: is definitely some level of sophistication here, but it's not
31:08
Speaker 1: that high of a level of sophistication from what I've seen,
31:11
Speaker 1: because it was at five o'clock and it was in daylight,
31:14
Speaker 1: and it was in a low crime neighborhood, and it
31:16
Speaker 1: was somewhere with a lot of surveillance, and it doesn't
31:19
Speaker 1: look like unless the sun was the actual target, it
31:22
Speaker 1: doesn't look like the mission was accomplished. And I think
31:26
Speaker 1: with the forensics that are going to be found at
31:28
Speaker 1: that scene, it's highly highly likely they're going to catch
31:31
Speaker 1: this person, and it's just going to be fascinating to
31:34
Speaker 1: see what the actual motive was here. When you say
31:38
Speaker 1: the forensics get the scene make it highly likely the
31:42
Speaker 1: will be caught. What do you mean by that? What forensics? Well,
31:46
Speaker 1: I think that again we talked about surveillance. I think
31:49
Speaker 1: that there's going to be so much surveillance it's going
31:51
Speaker 1: to be easy to attract this person in and out
31:54
Speaker 1: of the neighborhood. And then my hope would be that
31:56
Speaker 1: there is some DNA and some I mean, it depends
31:59
Speaker 1: on who this person is, if they've never really done
32:02
Speaker 1: anything like this before. We may not have any We
32:04
Speaker 1: may have any databases that have anything in them that
32:07
Speaker 1: would be useful. You have to have to have a
32:10
Speaker 1: person in a database in order for DNA to make
32:13
Speaker 1: a difference for you. Same with a weapon. If it's
32:15
Speaker 1: a weapon that has never been used before, it would
32:19
Speaker 1: be difficult to come up with any clues. But touch
32:21
Speaker 1: DNA is amazing. They days fingerprints. Certainly most people are
32:26
Speaker 1: in a fingerprint database somewhere, and the surveillance is just
32:29
Speaker 1: going to be absolutely key in my opinion. Explain to
32:33
Speaker 1: our listeners what you made by touch DNA well away
32:36
Speaker 1: back in the day. You know you need it like
32:38
Speaker 1: a pool of blood or semen or spit or something
32:41
Speaker 1: you could actually physically see in order to get in
32:44
Speaker 1: s DNA to develop a profile to compare to someone.
32:49
Speaker 1: But in the last decade or so, it's the techniques
32:53
Speaker 1: are so sensitive that now as long as your perpetrator
32:57
Speaker 1: has handled something that not just barely brushed it, actually
33:00
Speaker 1: handled it. So for instance, a screwdriver or something at
33:03
Speaker 1: a scene that was used to wedge open a window
33:05
Speaker 1: or something, there would be enough contact from the person
33:09
Speaker 1: to handle that screwdriver, that DNA would be left on it,
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Speaker 1: enough of it, even though you can't see it and
33:15
Speaker 1: it doesn't come from a body fluid, you can develop
33:18
Speaker 1: a DNA profile and put it in the database and
33:20
Speaker 1: get it hit so you know if you have to
33:23
Speaker 1: hat or a shirt at the scene. That's the other
33:25
Speaker 1: thing is that oftentimes when people are running away in
33:27
Speaker 1: a high panic or a machine they drop things. Everything
33:29
Speaker 1: they drop can be related back to them, you know,
33:32
Speaker 1: us through investigation of where do they buy it or
33:35
Speaker 1: what is it, but also through DNA which you get
33:37
Speaker 1: from the sweat, fingerprints, some sort of sometimes dog hair
33:41
Speaker 1: or something is something that can compare that can that
33:44
Speaker 1: can giving enough evidence to connect that that thing back
33:49
Speaker 1: to the perpetrator. Further complicating it is that in the
33:52
Speaker 1: time of COVID. Jeff Cortezi, former special FBI special agent,
33:58
Speaker 1: he very well could have been wearing a mask and gloves.
34:04
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at FedEx delivery people, grocery
34:07
Speaker 1: delivery people, male people, they're all wearing very thin gloves
34:14
Speaker 1: and masks. What about that, Jeff, No, that's absolutely a possibility.
34:20
Speaker 1: You know, the current climate has provided for some natural
34:24
Speaker 1: cover that that doesn't stand out as odd or unusual,
34:28
Speaker 1: which again I think ultimately goes back to you know,
34:31
Speaker 1: a lot of that surveillance CCTV in and around the
34:34
Speaker 1: neighborhood is going to be very critical to, you know,
34:37
Speaker 1: the determination of who this person was, what direction they traveled,
34:41
Speaker 1: and in what vehicle they were they were transported in.
34:45
Speaker 1: Take a listen to this, Judge Estra Salas and her
34:49
Speaker 1: son Mark Andrell and Daniel, who is a freshman in college,
34:55
Speaker 1: live in North Brunswick and at some point today someone
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Speaker 1: who was apparently dressed as a Federal Express driver rang
35:06
Speaker 1: or knocked on the door and when it was answered,
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Speaker 1: he shot and the Mark Andrel has come through a
35:17
Speaker 1: surgery tonight and is now listed in stable condition, and
35:21
Speaker 1: very sadly Daniel has died, and I understand that Judge
35:28
Speaker 1: Salis is not physically harmed. You are hearing from the
35:33
Speaker 1: Mayor of North Brunswick. That's Francis Womack. The son Daniel
35:39
Speaker 1: shot and killed the husband, and I see you now,
35:45
Speaker 1: the judge standing vigil at the hospital. We wait as
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Speaker 1: justice unfoals. Nancy Grace Clime Stories signing off, goodbye, friend.
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Speaker 1: This is John Lemley with Crime online dot Com. Just
36:04
Speaker 1: as we're closing this hour of Crime Stories, we're learning
36:07
Speaker 1: from our friends at ABC News that the suspect and
36:10
Speaker 1: the shooting of New Jersey Judge Esther Solis's family has
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Speaker 1: been found dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot wound.
36:17
Speaker 1: ABC News is citing multiple law enforcement sources in the
36:20
Speaker 1: release of this story, ABC adding that the deceased suspect
36:24
Speaker 1: was an attorney who had a case before Judge Solace
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