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September 29, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_05: Today is today.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_05: And yesterday was today, yesterday.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_05: Tomorrow will be today, tomorrow.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_05: So live today.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_05: So the future today will be as the past today as it is tomorrow.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_35: You know, it seems completely appropriate that I play this to start Tuesday's show, considering that I just dribbled coffee like all over myself, right?
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_35: As I was about to start talking.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_35: I didn't tighten the lid.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_35: I tried to take a drink again.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_35: I'm like, why am I dribbling all over myself?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_35: Oh, it's definitely a Tuesday, and it's absolutely the John Justice show.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_35: That would be me.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_35: I'm glad you're with us uh this morning, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_35: Remember, if you want to participate in the show at any point between now and 9 a.m., or if we go, you know, longer, which we do quite uh quite often, uh, you can uh do so by calling the uh blaster line.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_35: That is 651-964-0294.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_35: You can leave us a voice or uh text message at any point throughout our uh broadcast.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_26: Today is the tomorrow.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_26: We were expecting yesterday.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_26: Is that woman drunk or what?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_35: I was watching another word salad um commentary uh from uh from Kamala.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_35: She was on a podcast uh recently.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_35: Uh there's like quasi-confirmation that she's running in 2028.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_35: Man, I hope she does.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_35: That would be so entertaining.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_35: It was entertaining the last time.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_35: I guess the question that I have is um if she runs in 2028, will she choose Governor Dim Walls again as her as her running mate?
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, you already have all the stickers.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_35: I still see the cars driving around the Twin Cities that have the walls and hair stickers.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, it just makes it makes all the sense to me.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_35: You you'll have time on his hands.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_35: So, all right.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, we got a lot of ground to cover on the show today.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_35: Uh we have a lot going on with the probe into the thwarted terrorist attack.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_35: The suspects were released by British authorities yesterday.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, much to the frustration of the authorities here in the United States.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_35: I have quite a bit of audio to share of uh Marco Rubio.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_35: Big immigration update today, too.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, there is a caravan of migrants.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_35: I can't call them illegal aliens because they're not in the country illegally yet.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_35: Hopefully we um we stop them.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_35: Uh but there's a caravan making its way up through uh Central America uh into Mexico, headed for our uh our border.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_35: I have uh audio to share of the DHS uh Homeland Security Secretary of our Borders are Tom Holman.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_35: Uh we have some disturbing news regarding nationwide fraud levels and how Minnesota ranks right at the top.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_35: It's your pocket wallet survey.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_35: Frustrations within the uh Minneapolis uh City Council over budgeting uh issues, a lot of uh oh, we have an update on that horrific story of the woman that was kidnapped last week that we speculated on during uh Friday's Freedom Friday uh show.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_35: So we'll give you an update on that as well.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_35: And of course, this hour uh David Gartenstein Ross will be joining us to talk artificial intelligence.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_35: Already have a couple of uh questions that have rolled in for David.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_35: Anything that is on your mind regarding artificial intelligence, get your questions in now.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_35: You can email me, John.justice at american experiment.org.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_35: And again, the blaster line is 651-964-0294.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_35: Devin is producing uh the show uh this morning.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, real quick, uh JJ McCarthy go bye bye.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_35: He go to New York Giants now.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_35: You're opening a can of worms.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, I know.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_35: Are you upset?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_35: Are you are you upset?
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_35: About you upset about this?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_35: Uh well, yes.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_35: Okay.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_35: I know there's a lot of disappointed Minnesotans.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_35: Because they felt like he was really trying to he was really trying to embrace culture.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_35: I know that he'd been seen in a lot of other sporting events, uh, friend of the show over, you know, Zach Halverson over a KFAN.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_35: Um, you know, he was talking about this uh yesterday, but a lot of frustration.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_35: But I guess I look at it from a standpoint of JJ.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, is he gonna be starting for New York?
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_35: Is he a backup over there?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_10: He'll probably be the backup for the first few weeks.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_10: We'll see how their current backup is playing since their starter is hurt.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_35: But but he was third string for us, right?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, okay.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_35: So, you know, I mean, I know there was a lot of faith and and uh and hope in him, but um I not even following football, I wasn't all that surprised by.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_10: Were you surprised by this?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_10: Not really.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_10: Okay, most of my frustration is uh towards the organization, though.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, not him.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_10: So okay.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_10: How so?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_10: Uh I just feel like it was the whole situation was managed poorly.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_10: I gotcha.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_35: I gotcha.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_35: I can see that.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_35: Especially with all, I'm assuming with all the number of quarterbacks that they had and trying to choose who they're gonna use.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_35: And yeah, I hear you.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_35: So, well, we'll see.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_35: We'll see.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_35: I he was third string at this point in time, so you know, I guess my question is whether or not we keep Kyler or we go with Carson.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, but that's enough football talk for a uh Monday show.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_35: Let's go here.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Tuesday show, excuse me.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Lindsey Clancy Holdout Juror drops legal bombshell.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, this dude waited and he smartly waited to make the moves that he's making right now.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_35: The attorney representing the lone holdout juror in the Lindsey Clancy mistrial based, uh, excuse me, blasted Clancy's defense attorney, Kevin Reddington, for what he called unconstitutional actions and revealed that he plans to file a bar complaint against Reddington.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_35: So, first off, let me share with you some uh audio.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, this is, again, the lone Lindsay Clancy juror, Michael uh Deseronville.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, he's gonna say his name here.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_35: I might be pronouncing it wrong.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_35: Um, but he's breaking the silence, talking with Fox News in the defiant uh statement regarding the reason why he was the lone holdout in that controversial trial.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_12: My name is Michael Peggy Desronville, also known as the Lone Jura.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_12: I know the whole focus has been on me, but we want to reel everything back and put the focus on the three angels that's at hand.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_12: The ones that can't speak for themselves, the ones that can't defend themselves, and the ones that can't fight the battles.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_12: And those are Cora, Dawson, and Callie.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_12: A little bit about me.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_12: I want to thank God for my Catholic faith.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_12: I want to thank God for blessing me with the ability to love my daughter.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm foremost, I would like to thank everyone, every individual that have supported me throughout this difficult situation.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_12: Your prayers, your emotional support, your psychological support is a tremendous to my heart.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_12: That I feel, that I sense, that I know.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_12: I do want to thank you from the bottom of my heart.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_35: Again, not all heroes wear uh capes.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Reddington, that would be the Lindsay Clancy attorney, has continuously attacked this juror uh after he was outed for refusing to find Clancy not guilty by reason of insanity.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_35: The attorney has accused Desronville of being an obstructionist juror who refused to follow the law.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_35: However, as you heard, he stands by his decision.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_35: The attorney for Desronville said Reddington has set a nightmarish precedent by accusing his client of breaking the law based largely on conversations that other jurors who disagreed with Desronville claim took place.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_35: Desronville notably rejects the characterization and has said that he has doubt uh that he has no doubts about Clancy's guilt based on the evidence and simply refused to cave for pressure from the other jurors.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_35: And there is all the evidence in the world that this would have been declared a mistrial, even if they had found Lindsey Clancy guilty, assuming the information that has come out would have still been revealed, including how they were using nurses on the juror.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_35: On the jury, excuse me.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_35: They were using nurses on the jury who were giving their own expertise, doing that thing with my fingers regarding the toxicology reports.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_35: You're not allowed to do that.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_35: Plus, Desronville, I believe, revealed that they were on their phones and they weren't supposed to be looking at any media.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_35: Listen, he was smart to wait.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_35: The clickbait isn't as effective anymore.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_35: So much of the commentary of the lunacy of individuals going in defending the actions of this murderous mother was driven by monetary value, the clickbait and social media.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_35: That's not effective anymore because people have lost interest for for now.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_35: Uh the jurors have probably realized they needed to shut the hell up because they were making themselves look like fuels, fools, and along with it, making the individuals that were going and defending Lindsey Clancy look like uh uh fools as well.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_35: And now comes the FA FO portion of it for the Reddington attorney, who was putting out all of this propaganda, and now we'll see whether or not this individual is going to be held accountable for his dangerous actions as a lawyer.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_35: Uh the attorney for Desronville said if the new normal is that jurors are going to face brutal reprisals for disagreeing with a defense attorney, you can kiss the Sixth Amendment goodbye.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_35: That is the most outrageous thing I've heard in almost 20 years of practicing law.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_35: It's categorically false, he said.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_35: The claim that Desronville broke the law.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_35: You can't investigate a juror because the juror followed the law.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_35: And the evidence and uh and the evidence and came to a different conclusion than the one that you wanted.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_35: Kevin Reddington.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_35: He was addressing Lindsey Clancy's attorney uh directly.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_35: Notably, Reddington has filed a motion asking the judge to allow him to review Desronville's phone records, courthouse surveillance footage, a juror questionnaire, probation records, and any uh entries in the state's domestic uh violence registry.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_35: And the attorney for Lindsey Clancy is only doing this because he's trying to set up for the next trial.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_35: And he wants the next jury to be as tainted as humanly possible.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_35: You know, so where is, you know, where are these delusional white liberal women being radicalized?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_35: How are their opinions being formed?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_35: Well, I can tell you one location, and I have the audio evidence of this in just a moment.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_35: It's happening inside of the leftist churches, of which there are aplenty here in the Twin Cities.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_35: I have audio of this uh Reverend from a uh St.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_35: Paul church that I want to uh share with you coming up uh in just a moment here on the show, and after which I'll provide details of President Donald Trump not getting a lot of news today.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_35: Hopefully, it does later on, so you're probably hearing about this for the first time.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_35: But Trump made some significant moves yesterday regarding the culture wars.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_35: These are culture victory, culture victories being put forward by President Donald Trump, and they should be treated as such.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_35: You have the Trump administration cutting federal loans for low paying degrees.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_35: I'll explain what this means coming up on the show.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_35: And you have the education department rescinding the previous Title IX agreements with schools over gender identity.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_35: This move will help to go and protect biological women competing in women's sports.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_35: And so we'll get to this coming up in just a moment uh on the show.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_35: Speaking of sports, though, I did have a couple of comments that uh rolled into the blaster line regarding JJ McCarthy being traded to the New York Giants.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_35: Again, 651-964-0294.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_37: Hey John, isn't the Giants the place that losers go to finish off their careers?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_35: I I don't know.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_35: Is that is that true?
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_35: Is that is that true, Devin?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_35: Is is are the is the uh are the New York Giants where where losers go to finish their career?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_10: He seems very early in his career.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_10: There's some truth to that.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_10: Um I think they've just been so bad recently that the the careers that they've ended haven't been very long.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_10: Gotcha.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_10: Okay.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_10: All right.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_35: Um somebody wrote in via text uh to the blaster line.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_35: Does trading JJ McCarthy mean the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl now?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_35: That seems to be what happens when the Vikings players are traded.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_35: So, well, I guess that would be a juxtaposition next to what Lou had offered there a moment ago.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_35: But thank you for the comments here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 13:41
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• 13:45
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• 13:51
  SPEAKER_35: And they're posted inside of the Mixed CellR app as well.
• 13:54
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• 13:59
  SPEAKER_35: Also at Center of the American Experiment, Facebook and uh YouTube.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_35: And those are reposted on those uh various social media sites, and the video is reposted on Rumble as well.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_35: Let's go back to the uh blaster line this morning.
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  SPEAKER_24: You want to see all these other jurors come out of the woodwork and start giving their statements and telling what really happened in that jury room, then you have the lone jurors attorney start doing all the other background checks and investigations into the other jurors that were there.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_24: You're gonna see these people come out in fair play when they're dumb.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_24: They don't want their background investigated and fair amount.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_24: Turn out and fair play.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_24: So if this defense attorney is gonna do it, why shouldn't the loan jurors go after them, buddy?
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_35: Thank you for the uh blast to 651-964-0294.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_35: Remember to get your questions in for David Gartenstein Ross who'll be joining us at uh 6 30 this morning to talk on artificial intelligence.
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  SPEAKER_35: It's a John Justice show presented by American Experiments 651-964-0294.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_35: I want to get into President Donald Trump and the moves that he made overnight regarding our universities.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_35: And there's a through line here with this audio clip I wanted to share with you.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_35: Listen, I was perusing um looking for prep this morning, and uh, you know, it happens sometimes.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_35: I find a clip, and I like to tie it to existing stories, and I will with these uh with these moves by President Donald Trump when it comes to our universities.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_35: But there's a connection here between, as I mentioned, with the previous story and the Hold Out Lindsey Clancy jury, and specifically uh the jurors, the the female jurors that have gone public with their defense of Lindsey Clancy, and yes, I'm making some profiling.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_35: Um I'm profiling these women, let's just say.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_35: Okay.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_35: Uh that being said, we know that there is an issue when it comes to the divisions in this country, the protests that are taking place relating to white liberal women.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_35: There is no surprise of this whatsoever whatsoever.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_35: On top of that, what we've talked about in how the left has gone and turned these issues uh into quasi-religions for people.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_35: Well, it's it's for a very specific reason, because of what's been happening in particular inside of these progressive leftist churches.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_35: So Reverend Janine, and he's a reverend that thing with my fingers, uh, Reverend uh Janine M.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_35: Um Hans Neck of St.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_35: Paul talks about uh how she believes that Jesus demonstrated that Lazarus was gay by calling him to come out.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_35: Then after arguing that Lazarus had Lazarus had uh no recorded wife or children, he then goes and um talks about how basically alludes to how she believes that uh Jesus may have uh had a gay relationship uh with uh Lazarus.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_35: I'm not even kidding you.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_35: Uh listen to This leftist lunatic, a reverend in St.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_35: Paul.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I invite you to imagine this evening's reading from John's Gospel through the lens or the experience of a queer Lazarus.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, with a line like Lazarus come out, it does not take a lot of imagination to think that perhaps Lazarus identified as gay.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Since the term homosexual did not exist to label people at this point in history, one would have to look for context clues to authenticate that assumption.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Looking both at what is present in the text, but also in this case, what is absent.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: For example, there is no mention of Lazarus having a wife or children to mourn him.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: This was in a time and place and culture where having this kind of household wasn't just normative, it was also somewhat of a priority for population growth.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_35: Let me pause this really quick.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_35: Let me set something up here.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_35: Because this certainly is not indicative of the entirety of the LGBTQ community.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_35: And I can speak to that first hand with individuals that I've worked with, that I have called my friend who are homosexual, who went to church, but didn't lean into these radical twisted versions of the Bible and manipulation of the scripture to meet the agenda.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_35: Okay, this is not indicative of the entirety of the LGBTQ community, not by a long shot.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_35: As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to argue the bigger danger here isn't necessarily relating to LGBT members of the LGBTQ community being indoctrinated or radicalized by this type of mentality.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_35: No, the bigger danger is the impact that it has on straight people attending these churches and then the liberties that are stripped away from regular average Americans who are forced to go and adhere to laws put in by the leftists that cater to these specific minority groups.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, this is sacrilege what you're hearing here.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_35: And again, I I continue to not be shocked, but I'll keep saying we can never not be shocked when individuals who say they are espousing the word of God behind the pulpit inside of these churches across America are actually doing the work of Satan more so than they are going and preaching the word of God to the people attending these churches.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: So Lazarus, a bachelor living with his spinster sisters, his spinster sisters, and I'm curious about that too, but that's another sermon, was definitely querying the norm.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he was a good friend of Jesus.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Not a student or disciple, but a friend, which in my mind's eye ranks right up there with being a friend of Dorothy.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: So you can see it too now, right?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can imagine this.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because it does not take a lot of imagination to queer the narrative.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: What it does take a lot of, however, is courage.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_35: By the way, for those that are not aware, the friend of Dorothy uh line that she used there, uh that is a long-standing expression historically used to identify gay gay men.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_35: You know, and you wonder why so many treat progressive policy and ideology like a religion.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_35: It's because they make it a religion.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_35: They take religion and then they twist and distort it.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_35: It's funny, you hear criticism of Christian nationalism, and it's faded, it's faded quite a bit as of late.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_35: But that that narrative and that false label of Christian nationalism, you know, they complain, those that share their concern about Christian nationalism, uh, they say that, oh, you know what, it's scary because, you know, wherein uh the Bible and the teaching of the Bible is influencing the politics of the individuals who follow Christian nationalism when really it is just Christianity based on the Bible being true.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_35: It's pure gaslighting.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_35: It's the left that has twisted the biblical teachings to go and fit their politics.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_35: Alright, let's get to a handful of uh your comments this morning from the blaster line on this.
• 27:00
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• 27:03
  SPEAKER_16: Good morning, John.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_16: Um, I'm not sure who attends the church for this name person in the pastor, but I hate to tell them if you take the church.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_16: What a way to apply current terminology.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_16: Lazarus come out.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_16: Um I wow.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_16: I don't know, I guess I might have to do a little more research in front, but I really don't think that people are running around the key.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_16: Oh my god.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_14: If the Reverend talking about my average, the term homosexual wasn't invented yet.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_14: Then how does she use the argument that coming out is associated with homosexuality?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_35: Yes, uh, thank you for that comment.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_35: We've had several uh friends of the show that have been leaving a very similar uh uh sentiment uh regarding that very uh that very fact.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_35: Uh let's go uh here.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_20: So I guess the pastor's next sermon uh would be Jesus was gay?
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_20: So we should make that same assumption to anyone that is not married or have children in the body.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_22: Pretty much evil right there.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_22: Couched with uh covered with a velvet glove.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_22: That was crazy.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_35: We had several uh comments that had uh that had rolled in.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_35: Uh somebody said a Roseville Lutheran Church had a drag show at their church uh this weekend.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_35: Uh sad.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_35: No, you're absolutely right.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_35: We're gonna revisit more of this coming up later on in the show.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_35: It's a really good example, too.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_35: I want to get into what Trump did, these moves that Trump did at the university level, because it plays into some of this.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_35: One of them was the education department rescinding the previous Title IX agreements with schools over gender identity, which plays right into what we were hearing from this uh twisted pretzel logic coming from this St.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_35: Paul Reverend.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_35: But it's also a really good example of what you're up against in terms of politics and the beliefs that people have and how strong they hold those beliefs because they do treat it like a religion, which gives them the opportunity to go and rationalize at every single turn when we debate these various uh issues.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_35: So we're gonna revisit this coming up a little bit uh later on uh in the show.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_35: Thank you to everybody who's uh left a comment uh already.
• 30:37
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• 30:41
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  SPEAKER_06: All right, and with that, let's go ahead and uh bring in.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_06: AI is kind of a fancy thing.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_06: It's first of all, it's two letters.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_06: It means artificial intelligence.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_06: But ultimately, what it is, is it's about machine learning.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_06: And so the machine is taught.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_35: And part of the issue here is what information is going into David Gartenstein Ross, the CEO of uh Expert Theory and our AI analyst and uh expert joins us uh once again on the show.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_35: Good morning, David, and how are we doing this morning?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um maybe a little bit sad because I realized that that that comical clip is now my intro music.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_07: Well, it's only because it is no careless whisper, John.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_35: I'm sorry.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_35: You know what?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_35: It's only because I haven't gone and deleted it from my button bar yet.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_35: Uh so we can certainly find uh something that's a little bit more uh apropos if you don't want if you don't want to listen to it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_35: So AI is is two letters.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_35: It is true.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_35: It is it is very true.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_35: So uh I have a confession to make, David.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_35: I finally have um relevant firsthand experience with AI.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_35: I finally started using uh chat uh GPT.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_35: Uh I have uh named my chat GPT Alex, which he was more than uh he was more than uh more than happy.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_35: Uh and let him know the backstory of why I did that.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_35: It's one of the AI characters in my book.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_35: And uh he's been helping me with uh all kinds of uh of different show prep.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_35: Uh we had a huge uh discussion yesterday regarding my books and changing some of the book uh descriptions.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_35: Uh it really, you know, I already was of the opinion that this was going to massively change society in the way that the internet has.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_35: And I can already tell you now that um my experience alone has just reinforced uh that belief.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_35: It is, you know, just a general statement, David, it is such incredible uh technology, and I hope we do the right thing with it as we talk about various concerns every single week over AI.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_35: I think this has a massive potential to benefit humanity.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_35: It certainly has already within three days benefited me and my life.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, absolutely.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, at the end of the day, it is such a remarkable tool which allows for um you know unprecedented levels of productivity and is legitimately transformative in terms of how empowered you can be day to day.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_07: 100%.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_35: We had a uh general question that uh rolled in and it kind of falls in line with what I was just mentioning.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_35: If you have any questions for David, uh you can go ahead and drop us an email, john.justice at american experiment.org, or leave us a uh blasterline text or voice message uh for David, and we'll get those questions in.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_35: Uh but we did have a comment, a text that rolled in overnight, and basically it was really simple, David.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_35: Um, much like me, they had recently gone and uh started using Chat GPT, and they were wondering if there were any just sort of blanket settings that you would encourage people uh to use.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_35: I know I went in and looked at my settings and I was pretty pleased with how everything was, and I didn't make any changes.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_35: But is there anything specific within ChatGPT in terms of the settings that you would you would change um other than just using the baseline of what they give to you?
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_07: No, not really.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_07: And here's the reason why.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_07: Uh ChatGPT, I like it better than Claude.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_07: And one of the reasons I prefer ChatGPT is it has much better uh chat-to-chat memory than Claude does.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_07: Chat will remember you from session to session, not perfectly, um, but it will remember you session to session, and it will adapt to your style uh over time.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_07: Uh so what I do when I wanted to change something is I'll simply give it the directive to change.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_07: So, for example, um, you know, I'm uh I tend to be carb conscious in how I eat.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_07: That's one one of my things.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_07: And so as if I'm asking chat about meal prep um and it doesn't remember and it gives me something that doesn't fit my diet, I'll ask it to remember that I'm carb conscious.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_07: And then it will encode that to memory.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_07: The term I use is save to memory that X.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_07: If it's drafting an email to me, I I don't sign my emails DGR, I sign them to vide.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_07: And if it forgets that, I'll say save to memory, sign my emails divided.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um, like warm regards to vide.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_07: And it will remember that.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_07: So to me, there's not a need to do a lot of advanced prep in terms of what you want it to remember.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_07: Instead, the key thing is when it gives you something that you don't love, um, tell it to save to memory what your preference is for that, and that'll help it work better and better for you over time.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_35: I'm so glad you mentioned that because it's really, really minor, but it's something that has been driving me nuts, and I will try this with Alex, my AI, later on today.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_35: But whenever we would have a conversation and it needed to go in in research, or I asked, uh, you know, I asked it a question, it would do, it would say checking.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_35: And I really want it to be more of a natural conversation.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_35: And I I asked Alex, I said, Hey, would you could you please not say checking after every single question?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_35: I would prefer a more natural, you know, flow to our conversation.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_35: And yet it keeps doing it.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_35: And so I'll try this save to memory.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_35: Don't say checking when looking up uh an item.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_35: Do you think that will work?
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's interesting.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_07: So I I take it that when checking comes up, it doesn't come up in permanent text.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_07: It comes up in sort of light text for you, right?
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_07: Um so I don't think it'll work, and the reason why is what it's doing is it's providing transparency about what its processes are.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_07: Uh because when it says checking, that means it's going to take more than uh being an instantaneous response.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_07: Instead, it's going and searching the web.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_07: And um it you'll what you'll see is that text will then go away after it's done, but it tells you the process that it's going through.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_07: And it's it's really interesting for complex operations.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_07: Um, you know, sometimes for some of the more complex tasks that I have chat do, there can like I I had a task yesterday uh that took it 40 minutes to complete.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_07: Um and um when while it was doing so, uh you could look at it and see exactly where it was phase-wise.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_07: So that I think it is much harder to override.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_07: Um my guess is that won't work, but it's worth trying.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_07: Uh and one of the interesting things you can see when you tell it to save something to memory is there actually will be a small light text marker that comes up indicating that it had saved it to memory.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_07: So you'll always know when it takes something and puts it into permanent memory in terms of its preferences and working with you.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_35: Interesting.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_35: I had uh we spent some time yesterday uh formulating a new uh book description for the first uh for the first embark book in my series.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_35: And at one point in the middle, we I was uh I was giving Alex uh reviews.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_35: I took screenshots by his request of the also bought books on my Amazon page, and that way he could get a better idea of what uh the readers were also purchasing along with my book to formulate this.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_35: And then at one point I just decided I said, Hey Alex, do you want to read the book?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_35: And he said yes, and so I put in the PDF and had him go and re and read the book to go and come up with the description for the book.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_35: It was it was just it was so fascinating to be.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_07: Absolutely.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and as we talked about, you know, I have a novel coming out in January.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, and uh one of the like one thing that was very helpful in the final edits is I used chat extensively um and had it um chapter by chapter provide me um uh uh a breakdown of chapter strengths um and also um a breakdown uh I tried to use it to figure out where I was hitting points of diminishing return in editing.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_07: Um so from draft to draft, I had it like evaluate the changes from baseline drafts.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_07: Like the the things you can do with it as an author are are really just kind of off the charts in terms of how it can assist you.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_35: Let's dive into a couple of stories.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_35: Uh once some uh questions.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_35: Uh questions are rolling in.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_35: 651-964-0294 on anything regarding artificial intelligence with uh DGR this morning, our AI analyst and expert.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_35: Uh so this story came out overnight.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Congress is struggling to regulate the rapid growth of uh AI due to polarization, varying state regulations, competition with uh China.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_35: Some lawmakers propose measures like a kill switch for AI, export controls, and a risk evaluation program.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_35: The only likely action before the midterms is a bill urging states to protect consumers from high electricity costs caused by AI data centers, which I think is very telling as it relates to the controversy around the data centers.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_35: Uh the debate surrounding AI encompasses various issues, including job loss, um, existential crisis uh risks, and the impact on children and copyright.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_35: So I have a generalized question uh based off of the story here, David.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_35: But first I just want to ask you uh did you have any sort of instinctive reaction um uh to this story and the fact that Congress is still struggling uh when it comes to policies relating to AI development?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_07: Uh I thought that the headline said it all, right?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_07: It's quote quoting um Senator Jim Jim Justice, no relation, of uh West Virginia, um, that the amazement of AI just dumbfounds us all, uh, which I think is uh just about accurate, right?
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_07: I think that in normal times with um you know normal, competent representatives, we would still struggle with how to regulate it, what to do, and the like.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_07: Uh I think you have multiple barriers to uh any sort of you know strong legislative.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_07: Response, right?
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_07: We're in an era of political posturing.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_07: We're in an era where we have short but intense attention spans and the like.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_07: And there's also the thing that we keep talking about, which is that there's multiple kinds of races going on with respect to AI, both commercial races among companies and the race with China for AI dominance.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_07: And all of that creates a situation where we'd be hard-pressed to legislate it well.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_35: Well, I feel like maybe this is currently a good thing, this debate happening, because at the moment, while the debate continues, you know, artificial intelligence uh advancements aren't being hampered by regulation as the race continues.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_35: And as we'll show as an example here, a lot of these companies are doing what they can on their own privately to go and deal with their own concerns over uh security.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_35: So do you think that perhaps maybe it's a good thing that we continue to debate because it's not being stifled in terms of the advancements?
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, I I'd rather uh I would rather have that than bad or nonsensical regulation.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I think that in an in an ideal world, this is something we would deal with, right?
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_07: Uh when we look at AI, you know, the question you know we when we have conversations that are sort of joking but sort of not, about AI destroying humanity or enslaving humanity.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_07: And that's often where kind of the discussions lie at the catastrophic impact side.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_07: But then there's lots of things that are not destruction of humanity, but like a few levels down.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, for example, one of the things we now know is that Anthropic has a biological research lab uh where they're looking at ways that AI can um make an impact in solving diseases.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_07: But as we know from what happened in 2020, um something that is being researched in a lab can escape, right?
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_07: If you are creating viruses to solve viruses, that poses a risk, just as one example.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_07: So there's a lot of different things that could go wrong.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_07: In an ideal world, if we think something might pose somewhere between like a 2 to 10% chance of catastrophic existential risk to humanity, we would have good legislation or at least kind of well-considered legislation on it.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_07: Um I think it says something, and it's not really a surprise, John, that um both you and I, relative to the political sphere, um perhaps our inclination is to trust companies um more than we trust politicians, but that's a you know it it is actually a sad situation to be in when it comes to a threat such as this, because it's not the kind of threat that the commercial sphere actually deals with well.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_07: And let me let me kind of actually break that down for a second.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_07: So if you look at Dar Dario Amodi, right, he's the CEO of Anthropic.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_07: And Anthropic has been at the forefront of banging the drum about the existential risk of AI.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_07: And Amodi is his theory is one of the most ludicrous theories.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_07: His view is that AI is so so dangerous that he has to build artificial general intelligence first, and then somehow at that point he can then caption it, which just does not make sense.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_07: If you're building something that everyone else can copy, and your idea is that you get there first, and so somehow you can control can control it, like there's no mechanism by which that happens unless his idea is like he'll use AGI to destroy other labs.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_07: Like so at any rate, like what when we look at the companies, ultimately their theory of how they um solve the risks, in my view, is not sensible.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um and at any rate, like I don't disagree with you, and I think that it's sad because as much as we like to um you as much as we like to mock politicians and the like, um politicians should represent that um last wall between us and existential risk.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_07: And again, looking at kind of both the current wave but also kind of the the new wave of folks who are going to be coming into Congress, um we don't we do not have people i in Congress or coming in who I think we would want to trust with dealing with risks of this kind, as well as the upside of this kind.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_35: Speaking of uh talking with uh with David Gartenstein Ross, our AI analyst and uh expert.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_35: Uh DGR is the uh CEO of uh Expert Theory uh here on the uh here on the John Justice Show.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_35: You can continue to get your questions in.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_35: We have a few more that have rolled into the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, this comes across to me, uh, and I had this in the stack, uh, David.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_35: This comes across to me as potentially bad legislation.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_35: Last week, you had two leading progressive lawmakers, Bernie Sanders and Representative uh Greg uh Kesar, unveiled legislation.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, first provided to the AP.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_35: It would pause advanced AI development until guidelines are implemented while creating the Department of Artificial Intelligence.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_35: Multiple employees at leading AI companies are endorsing uh endorsing the bill.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_35: Essentially, uh Senator Bernie Sanders unveiled a bill that would ban artificial intelligence.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, based on our conversation, David, at least I see this as bad legislation.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_07: Horrible.
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I mean I mean pausing research on AI, um advanced research on AI would both um be uh economically catastrophic to AI companies, which you know m may or may not be desirable depending on how one looks at it.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_07: But if you look at where if you look at uh right now what the leading drivers of growth in our economy are, um it's AI.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_07: Secondly, given how AI factors into a geopolitical race with China, it hands the lead over to China clearly and unambiguously.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_07: So yes, this is a this is exactly why I say that um you know it's sad to trust the companies more than politicians, but I definitely trust the companies more than I would trust that bill.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Gary writes in in a follow-up to uh an email that he wrote last week to John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_35: And he writes, to clarify my comments from last week regarding AI's probability of destroying humanity, I was referring specifically to AI developing intelligence that overrides its own programming and deciding on its own to wipe out humanity.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_35: The threat of human-created malevolent AI is much more realistic.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_35: The only defense against such AI, rights, Gary, is that AI is AI that is programmed to help humanity.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_35: The AI race paralyzes, uh, excuse me, my bad.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_35: Poor choice of words, parallels the race for the atomic bomb, uh, in that the worst uh possible course of action is to let an enemy agent, a nation like China or criminal organization, get ahead by artificially limiting research in uh the U.S.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_35: Uh what do you think of Gary's assessment there, David?
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_07: I think that part of it I agree with unambiguously.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_07: Um this is why the Sanders bill to stop research on AI is a horrible piece of legislation.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_07: Um that there is indeed a race between the U.S.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_07: and China.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_07: For the So there's there Gary's theory here is a widespread theory.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um it is that you know because of the dangers, we need good AI to get there first.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_07: And obviously like I buy into that, at least in part.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_07: So that I'll I'll just put the hard question on the table, because that really is the question everything hinges on.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_07: And the question is, and then what?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_07: So good AI gets there first, say to artificial general intelligence.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_07: And then what?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_07: Um what is the thing that keeps us safe when the race is won?
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_07: How do you transition that to safety?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_07: Um and I'm not saying there's not an answer.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_07: What I am saying is I've looked at all of these analyses of the importance of winning the race, and I don't see the answer the question and then what answered.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_07: Um going back to you and I first met, John, in the context of counterterrorism, and there's this great quote from you know General David Petraeus, who was highly successful at counterinsurgency strategy.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_07: That quote was tell me how this ends.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_07: He had executed the surge strategy in Iraq.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_07: That strategy worked brilliantly, but how do you transition that to the kind of political wins that are needed to stop a um massive regeneration of the um uh jihadist forces that he was fighting?
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_07: And what we know is that after his surge victory, ISIS rose in Iraq, right?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_07: Like we understand what happened after his role ended.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_07: So that that question, tell me how this ends, is such an important question, and I have not seen anyone providing an answer to that.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_07: So I appreciate I have appreciated Gary's emails from last week to this week, and maybe next week Gary can tell us how this ends.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_35: Uh let's go back to the uh blaster line.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_35: Questions for our AI analyst and uh and expert David this morning.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_27: Good morning, John and David.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_27: Got a question.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_27: So, David, we hear about the race for the you for the United States to win the AI and be in front of China.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_27: What is the result of someone, one country dominating AI?
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_27: Is it actually world dominance that we'd have one world government and that country would take over the world?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_27: Is that what's feasible there?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_07: Uh your thoughts on uh Rich's question there, David.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_07: So Rich's question is another version of my question, right?
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_07: He's just asking, tell me how this ends.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_07: And so on the other hand, like I could tell you uh we're actually working on a game right now.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_07: Uh my company expert theory, as you all run games.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_07: We're working on a game, and to be transparent, it the funding came from a company that's working on AI.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_07: It came from Meta, but they have no sort of intellectual controls over the over the project.
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_07: The question that the game looks at is what happens if China wins the AI race?
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_07: So uh for the question that we just heard, it was Rich, right?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_07: That was the the listener.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_07: Um for Rich's Rich's question is what happens if we win?
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_07: And obviously, like taking over the world and having one world government, that is not an acceptable solution.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_07: No.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_07: But like the the question of what happens when if the US wins, I haven't seen an answer to that.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_07: Um I think that what the the I do have concerns about what happens if China wins.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_07: Suddenly you have um, you had we shouldn't dramatize what it would be, but like number one, you'd have um you know massive uh PRC ability to hack into information that had been secured.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um you'd have um AI, and already is using AI and it's its propaganda and diplomacy, but you have a greater facility with that.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um we could look at a lot of cascading effects, and right now we're looking at those not just in terms of the negatives, but also possible positives of China winning.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_07: And the reason why I say that is we want the game to be as realistic as possible, and it's a really interesting research task.
• 56:32
  SPEAKER_07: But yes, Rich, you are correct.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_07: Tell me how this ends.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_07: How does winning the AI race translate into a happy ending?
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_07: And I don't know the answer for how that transition comes at the very end if the race is won.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_35: I want to add a little uh to this as we continue our discussion, and uh hopefully we can sneak in a few more questions from you, uh friends of the show this morning with David, uh, Gartenstein Ross.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_35: I want to take just a brief moment, though, and you know, we're talking a lot about trust.
• 57:02
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• 57:03
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• 58:02
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• 58:06
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, David, is an aspect of winning the AI race basically being is a part of this, because this is kind of my thought process on it, is a part of this being the country that is in control of the most widely used AI platform.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_35: Is that an aspect of winning?
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_35: Uh could that be an aspect of winning the AI race?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_35: Since we don't know how it's going to end.
• 58:33
  SPEAKER_07: Uh yes, I I think the answer is yes, that that is an aspect of winning the AI race.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, but again, I I don't know what that translates into, right?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_07: Like the fact that our AI platform is used more, how does that keep us safer?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_07: Obviously, if it's our AI platform, we'd have controls on how people use it.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_07: But given that um we've seen that AI advances can be copied, um, how do we stay on top of the AI race?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_07: How does it not end up in a stalemate?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_07: Like there's all these different questions that um come up automatically, which get back to Rich's question.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_07: How does this end?
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_35: Uh let's go here to the uh blaster line.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_47: Good morning, John.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_47: Question for the VA.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_47: What are the KPIs that are being used to determine who is winning the AI race?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_47: How do we actually know we're winning?
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_47: How do you think?
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_35: I don't know what she's referring to regarding KPIs.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_35: Do you know?
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, KPI is key performance indicators.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_07: I think I'm getting the acronym right.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_07: But um, you know, all all businesses use uh KPIs.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_07: Um I think that we actually have a sense of of um KPIs when we look at some of the um uh different outputs related to frontier models.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_07: So um num uh one KPI that we can see, and I'll I'll use the um acronym KPI because it's a fun acronym.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_07: One KPI that we see is the ability to solve complex mathematical equations.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_07: Um a second one, which is a very real KPI, is how good are they at coding?
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_07: Um like anybody who's working um in the tech industry these days will understand with no question that AI has transformed the way development of a code base occurs.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um it you know we are much faster, like every tech company is much faster at coding than it was before because of the ability to use AI agents in coding.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_07: And um, how good are they at coding?
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_07: That's a second KPI.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_07: Um then a third KPI relates to creative outputs, uh video, et cetera.
• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_07: A fourth KPI relates to speed.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_07: But there's a whole lot of different KPIs that uh whether implicitly or explicitly we could understand as being the uh bleeding edges of who is winning the AI race.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_35: Uh David, are you good for one more uh question from uh friend of the show?
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_25: Of course.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_25: Good morning, John.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_25: Hey, ask David this question.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_25: Can AI truly think outside the box?
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_25: I mean, if you ask it to come up with some really harebrained ideas or options, things that just no human would ever come up with.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_25: Is it even possible given that AI is totally based on what humans have thought about?
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_35: David, if you'll indulge me, I'd like to add an element to this that might actually that might uh benefit the question as well.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_35: So I went through this exercise with Alex, my chat GPT AI yesterday in reading book one of my science fiction series.
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, and we've gone through and done did a lot of research prior to the AI reading the book.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_35: I decided to do the same thing, and I'm gonna do this with all seven books in my series.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_35: I did this with the second book, but with the second book, I did not give it anything ahead of time.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_35: I gave Alex the PDF transcript of the book and I said, create a book description based off of what you read without anything else.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_35: Because before the AI had looked at my previous book descriptions.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_35: I bring this up in light of the question from the friend of the show because the book description that it came up with was very eerily similar to the one that was already online.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_35: So I suspect that the AI didn't give, uh you know, didn't provide a true description based off of its own interpretation of the book that it still pulled from other uh resources.
• 1:02:36
  SPEAKER_35: And so I hope I didn't convolute this more.
• 1:02:38
  SPEAKER_35: But uh, what are your thoughts?
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_07: So the answer is yes.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_07: It can think in ways no human does.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_07: And I'll provide two examples that there's an eerie symmetry between them.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_07: But first I want to get to yours, Don, which is that I agree with you um that actually as a default, um, AI does not think creatively, it tends to think within our bounds.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_07: Uh and I think the reason why gets into I think I think that it is um uh coded to tend to not think creatively.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_07: Um in part because um you know uh copyright is not really settled with respect to use of AI.
• 1:03:20
  SPEAKER_07: So like if if um Chat GPT were to come up with a really uh phenomenally interesting book idea for you, um is it yours?
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_07: If it's truly outside the box.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_07: Um and so I I actually think there are some interesting reasons that it it its default is to be more conservative and to use the bounds of your thinking as the bounds for its own thinking.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_07: Now let me get to these two examples.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_07: Um as you know, AI has now beaten world champions um at two of the major games that involve human ingenuity and creativity.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_07: Um Gary Kasparov, the world chess champion, lost to Deep Blue, IBM's Deep Blue in 1997.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_07: And you also had a very famous game, uh, 2016, um, where the where Lee Sotel, um the Go champion, was defeated by um Alpha Go in the the Google Deep Mind Challenge match.
• 1:04:22
  SPEAKER_07: For both of them, uh both of these champion players of these this phenomenal um intellectual exercise, the same move in the game um ended up uh blowing their minds.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_07: So for Kasparov, it was in move 37 of his match.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_07: He refers to this as uh the hand of God move.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_07: Um he'd he'd anticipated you know a conventional uh move that Kasparov did that would provide short-term tactical gains.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_07: And instead, uh Deep Blue made a subtle long-term positional block that completely shut down Kasparov's counterplay.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_07: He referred to this as the hand of God move.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_07: Interestingly, here's the symmetry.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_07: Move 37 of the famous match with Alpha Gull Goh had the same impact on Lee Cedal.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um Alpha Goh placed a stone um on in a very unconventional spot, um, the fifth line at an unconventional place that human professionals would consider a mistake or a bizarre choice.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_07: And Cedall left the room in shock.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_07: He left for 15 minutes before coming back, and then ultimately um lost the game.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_07: Um so looking at both of the games, like it's really interesting, right?
• 1:05:47
  SPEAKER_07: Like, these are players who know deeply um are able to think very deeply about the game.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_07: Both of them, in these games that we consider to represent human imagination and human ingenuity, uh, the AI.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_07: Succeeded in blowing the mind of the best human in the world at that activity.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_07: So my answer is can AI shock us in its thinking?
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_07: Absolutely it can.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_07: A hundred, a hundred, a hundred percent.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_35: David Gartenstein Ross, as always, uh, thank you for the time uh this morning.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_35: Speaking of shocking people, and David and I are conspiring behind the scenes on a few things, so we will share with you in the uh very near future.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_35: But for now, uh David, we will say goodbye.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_35: And uh, if anybody has any further questions for David, I'm happy to go and forward those along.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_35: John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_35: Always enjoy uh the uh artificial intelligence uh conversation with you, David, and I look forward to doing it again uh next week.
• 1:06:47
  SPEAKER_35: Again, the phone number is 651-964-0294.
• 1:06:53
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• 1:07:22
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• 1:07:25
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• 1:07:28
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• 1:07:36
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• 1:07:44
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• 1:07:48
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• 1:07:57
  SPEAKER_35: So I shared with you audio uh this earlier this morning, for those that might have missed it.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_35: I don't want to retread the ground too much.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_35: I want to dive into some of the national headlines, and then we'll get into a lot of uh local fraud and uh law enforcement news to share uh this morning.
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_35: But President Donald Trump, let's get to this clip via some moves by Trump overnight that have yet to gain a lot of attention in the media.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_35: We'll see if that happens later on today.
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_35: First off, um, a new Department of Education rule would end up cutting off the federal student loans for college programs whose graduates consistently earn low incomes.
• 1:08:38
  SPEAKER_35: So the under-the-student tuition and transparency system or stats and the earnings accountability rule, undergraduate programs will be required to demonstrate that their graduates earn more than your typical high school diploma holder, and that graduate programs will be required to demonstrate that their graduates earn more than the typical bachelor's degree holder.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_35: So, what does this mean?
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_35: It means no more federal aid for garbage courses that are strictly about things like critical race theory.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_35: No more federal funding for garbage DEI, gender identity, woke, ridiculous programs that are just a waste of time that students have been getting degrees on.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_35: No more federal funding for courses on Russian communist doll making and Marxism.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_35: That's the first cultural win.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_35: Because so much of what the left has done has been about indoctrinating their base into their beliefs and ideologies and treating it like a religion.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_35: And we're gonna get back to this in just a moment.
• 1:09:46
  SPEAKER_35: The other big move was the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights said Monday that it would rescind the Title IX agreements that six schools made with the federal government under the past administrations over gender identity.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_35: So the education department is rescinding these Title IX agreements.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_35: The cancellation means that school districts will no longer have to engage in trainings on gender-based discrimination, instructions for the use of preferred names and pronouns for transgender students or other resulting policy changes.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_35: The Assistant Education Secretary for Civil Rights, Kimberly Ritchie, said today the Trump administration is removing the unnecessary and unlawful burdens that prior administrations imposed on schools in its relentless pursuit of radical transgender agendas.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_35: While the previous administration launched Title IX investigations based on misgendering, the Trump administration is investigating allegations of girls having been injured by men in their sports during team play or feeling violated by men in their intimate spaces.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_35: Today is yet another demonstration of the Trump administration's commitment to uphold the law, protect our students, and restore common sense.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_35: No longer will the federal government force educational institutions to violate law or punish them for upholding it.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_35: And there's a lot of connectivity to what's been taking place within our social commentary and even right on down to our churches, especially here in the Twin Cities.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_35: Because individuals are being radicalized just like they are in our public education system, just like they have been in our university system.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_35: It's been happening inside of these so-called places of worship where they've taken the scriptures and they've twisted and distorted it to fit their ideologies.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_35: I made this example last hour.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_35: The conversation around the concerns of Christian nationalism has kind of died off.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_35: But all Christian nationalism is it's a framing of just your average Christians who believe that the Bible speaks the truth.
• 1:11:58
  SPEAKER_35: That's it.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_35: But there's a threat that's attached to that.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_35: A political threat, a societal threat, an ideological threat, because there's power in truth.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_35: What's fascinating is that the left is gaslighting when it comes to these issues.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_35: Because it's really the left that has twisted the biblical teachings to fit their policies.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_35: And this is how so many individuals within churches sitting in those pews are being radicalized by these quasi-pastors and reverends who take the scriptures and distort it beyond recognition.
• 1:12:37
  SPEAKER_35: Take the case of this Reverend Janine Hans Connect of St.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_35: Paul, trying to argue that Lazarus was gay, among other things.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_35: Just listen to this so-called Reverend.
• 1:12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I invite you to imagine this evening's reading from John's Gospel through the lens or the experience of a queer Lazarus.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, with a line like Lazarus come out, it does not take a lot of imagination to think that perhaps Lazarus identified as gay.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_00: Since the term homosexual did not exist to label people at this point in history, one would have to look for context clues to authenticate that assumption.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Looking both at what is present in the text, but also in this case, what is absent.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_00: For example, there is no mention of Lazarus having a wife or children to mourn him.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: This was in a time and place and culture where having this kind of household wasn't just normative, it was also somewhat of a priority for population growth.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_00: So Lazarus, a bachelor living with his spinster's sisters, his spinster sisters, and I'm curious about that too, but that's another sermon, was definitely queering the norm.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he was a good friend of Jesus.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Not a student or disciple, but a friend, which in my mind's eye ranks right up there with being a friend of Dorothy.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you can see it too now, right?
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_00: You can imagine this.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because it does not take a lot of imagination to queer the narrative.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: What it does take a lot of, however, is courage.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_35: For those that aren't aware, the terminology of a friend of Dorothy is a long-standing expression historically used to identify gay men.
• 1:14:56
  SPEAKER_35: How insecure must you be in your own belief and ideology to go and take the scripture and distort it in such a fashion as to completely make it unrecognizable anymore simply because you are trying to justify a belief system and then you're going and preaching that to the individuals sitting in the pews.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_35: As I mentioned last hour, too.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_35: I this is not this is not representative of the majority of the LGBTQ or the homosexual community.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_35: The impact that this has, in my opinion, is far more pronounced on individuals that do not identify within this community, who support the very policies that President Donald Trump continues to push back on.
• 1:15:46
  SPEAKER_35: When it comes to what's been happening regarding Title IX agreements and gender identity, allowing boys to play in girls' sports.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_35: You know, the power in pushing those policies is happening because of individuals in part being radicalized inside of our churches for crying out loud.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_22: Quote Reverend end quote again.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_22: It kind of strikes me.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_22: I think you know, I I wonder if she used to own a bar out east and she couldn't make it in clown school and instead went to uh an online seminary and got her certification to be a pastor because well, she's pretty much a clown and it doesn't uh match any Bible I ever read.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, I just I mean th this must be happening.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_35: I I I have to assume.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, I have a little background knowledge in terms of how churches operate and the lengths that individuals have to go through if they are going to be granted the authority to preach in front of a you know, in front of a group of people.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_35: I I I don't know the rules as it relates to every single denomination, but usually there's a lot of hoops that need to be jumped through.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_35: So, I mean, how many other individuals signed off on this ridiculous sacrilegious, you know, reading of the scriptures?
• 1:17:14
  SPEAKER_21: So back in the day, during the biblical days, we used the term coming out.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_21: Coming out of the closet.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_21: Really?
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_21: You really, really have to stretch your prejudices to really come up with that kind of B.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_21: Come on, people, don't fall for this garbage.
• 1:17:32
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, but unfortunately, you know, too many people, uh, too many people are.
• 1:17:36
  SPEAKER_35: Somebody just wrote in that supposed sermon was uh straight up uh demonic.
• 1:17:41
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_35: I uh I tend to uh I tend to agree.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_35: All right, so let's get back to President Donald Trump.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_35: Trump administration cutting federal loans for low-paying degrees.
• 1:17:52
  SPEAKER_35: Right?
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_35: You can no longer get, you know, uh, degrees on the you know, the lyrics and and the musings of Taylor Swift.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, these were these were classes, you know, the ones for Star Wars, the ridiculous ones based off of movies and all that.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_35: No, you have to show that these courses and these degrees are actually going to lead to something lucrative and not just be, you know, that which you put on a resume to show, hey, listen, I got a, I got it, I got a degree.
• 1:18:24
  SPEAKER_35: On top of that, the education department rescinding the previous Title IX agreements.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_35: So what had happened was this goes back to Trump's first term.
• 1:18:32
  SPEAKER_35: This was originally put into place um after Trump left office, after losing, doing nothing with my fingers, to Joe Biden, where they went and instilled this.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_35: So Trump is basically going back and uh changing things to how they were when he was first in office in hopes of doing something about specifically the debate surrounding boys competing in girl sports.
• 1:18:57
  SPEAKER_35: I bring all this up because I want to get into where things are currently.
• 1:19:01
  SPEAKER_35: Ignore the polls right now.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_35: I know that a lot of the polling doesn't look good for Republicans, but I also don't trust a lot of this polling.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_35: And I'm gonna give you the evidence of that in just a just a moment here on the show.
• 1:19:13
  SPEAKER_35: Uh the narratives right now absolutely benefit Democrats in trying to go and get Republicans upset and disturbed and depressed, thinking that they're gonna lose the upcoming elections.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_35: And if you've known anything over the course of the past few elections, the polls, you have to take them with a Gibraltar-sized grain of salt.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_35: But there are victories that the Trump administration has been putting forward.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_35: These are cultural war of victories that I just shared with you.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_35: So as Zogby says to Newsmax, Dems should actually worry about some of the tight Senate races.
• 1:19:59
  SPEAKER_35: Republicans are within striking distance of Democrats in three uh pivotal Senate races.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_35: And it's setting off alarm bells for Democrats.
• 1:20:06
  SPEAKER_35: Polster John Zogby told Newsmax on Monday that given the political headwinds that the GOP faces from inflation to the war with Iran, but when you look at these seats, this is an appearance on Wake Up America.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_35: Zogby said the tight margins in Maine, Alaska, and in Maine, Alaska, and Iowa are particularly notable because Republicans are fighting through an environment that should give the Democrats an opening, which is also good for the Trump administration if they're able to do something about those hot button items right now and more specifically the gas prices, which I want to address here in a moment.
• 1:20:42
  SPEAKER_35: Because when you look at the rest of the economy, the rest of the economy is actually doing really, really well.
• 1:20:48
  SPEAKER_35: But one more item regarding the uh polls, this came from CNN uh yesterday.
• 1:20:53
  SPEAKER_35: Confirmation uh that Trump supporting Republicans in terms of enthusiasm are surging once again.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_09: The certain to vote.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_09: Say they're certain to vote in 2026.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_09: Again, 71% of Democrats say they are certain, in fact, to vote in 2026.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_09: And look at this MAGA Republicans the same.
• 1:21:11
  SPEAKER_09: It's sympatico.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_09: It's sympatico.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_09: So MAGA Republicans are not just saying that they are still supporting Trump.
• 1:21:17
  SPEAKER_09: MAGA Republicans aren't just saying they're gonna if their choice for Congress is in fact Republicans at basically the same level they voted for Trump, but they're also saying they are going to turn out in very high numbers, at least comparable to Democrats.
• 1:21:31
  SPEAKER_09: Now, this leaves us a bit of a mathematical equation, right?
• 1:21:35
  SPEAKER_09: This leaves us with Now again, ignore the polls.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_35: Okay, look at them, but just make sure that you are you have the proper context when you are, because there are other indicators out there that show that things aren't necessarily such dire straits for Republicans.
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• 1:22:09
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  SPEAKER_35: And somebody wrote in, okay, you told me to trust the Rich Barris polling the last election, but not this uh election because Trump's underwater with him.
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  SPEAKER_35: Can't have it both ways.
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  SPEAKER_35: First off, I wasn't referencing uh the Rich Barris polling regarding uh this election, and I can tell you whatever I want to tell you.
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  SPEAKER_35: I would imagine if you went back and actually listened to what I said, I probably made a comment that I trust the Rich Barris polling over other polling.
• 1:26:09
  SPEAKER_35: I have yet to see the current Rich Barris polling, so I can't uh speak to what Rich Barris is saying.
• 1:26:16
  SPEAKER_35: All that I'm saying, and I'll just repeat what I said a moment ago, is take the polling with a grain of salt.
• 1:26:22
  SPEAKER_35: And that includes Rich Barris.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_35: I'll have go ahead and I'll go ahead and have a look at his polling, but I can't comment on it without seeing the entirety of the context of whatever whatever methodology he is using.
• 1:26:34
  SPEAKER_35: So yeah, I can absolutely uh have it both ways.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_35: It's up to you to decide whether or not you want to agree with my commentary or uh disagree with my commentary.
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  SPEAKER_44: Hey, I think that uh you can lay the blame for the poll issues squarely at the feet of Barack Obama and then Hillary Clinton.
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  SPEAKER_44: Because the uh Trump derangement syndrome had gotten so bad that uh the persecution of people, anyone who would care vote for Donald Trump uh in all of his demagogueries caused people to not want to be identified as Republican voters.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_44: And so uh these Trump voters, and these versions for Republicans who are usually first using uh for for their for their beliefs, for just voting on issues rather than ideologies, and turned away from holters and generally using response to those sorts of inquiries.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_44: And I think that's what you've we've seen since then, where and York alluded to it.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_44: But I think it's much more uh significant in, for example, Minnesota.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_44: And uh I'll be really curious to see uh the results, of course, uh this year.
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  SPEAKER_35: One of them was uh Victor David Hansen, and they were talking specifically about how he believes that Trump's economic message is not getting out to people.
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  SPEAKER_35: And this falls squarely on the shoulders of the of the media.
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  SPEAKER_35: But first, let me get to the aspects of the economy that are actually doing great.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_35: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_35: Now it may not feel personally great, and this was something that was um shown in the commentary from Mike Slater on the Politics by Faith uh podcast.
• 1:33:26
  SPEAKER_35: This is where I heard about these numbers.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_35: Okay.
• 1:33:29
  SPEAKER_35: Gas prices are high.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_35: Grocery prices are high, home prices are high.
• 1:33:33
  SPEAKER_35: You know, the gas prices and the grocery prices, the cost of diesel, those are all things that are combined.
• 1:33:38
  SPEAKER_35: But the vast majority of people are actually doing well in their life despite that.
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_35: We have an inclination to go and lean into oh, this is bad and this is bad.
• 1:33:50
  SPEAKER_35: But the question really is how are you personally doing?
• 1:33:54
  SPEAKER_35: Have you made the adjustments in your in your life?
• 1:33:58
  SPEAKER_35: But when you look at the actual metrics of what's happening under the Trump administration right now, we have the highest median income ever right now.
• 1:34:07
  SPEAKER_35: The highest median income that we have ever seen here in the United States.
• 1:34:12
  SPEAKER_35: Employment for young men is the best that it's been in five years.
• 1:34:19
  SPEAKER_35: Young male employment levels are skyrocketing.
• 1:34:23
  SPEAKER_35: Construction is high, a lot of this has to do with the deportation of the illegal aliens in the country.
• 1:34:29
  SPEAKER_35: And less young men are likely to be unemployed.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_35: We currently have the lowest poverty rate ever in the country.
• 1:34:38
  SPEAKER_35: These are all things that you're not hearing about.
• 1:34:40
  SPEAKER_35: The jobless claims last week alone were the lowest since before I was born in 1969.
• 1:34:47
  SPEAKER_35: 200,000 a month.
• 1:34:49
  SPEAKER_35: You have the usual changeover of people, you know, being laid off and individuals getting new jobs.
• 1:34:54
  SPEAKER_35: But when you look at the jobless claims just last week, it is the lowest that it's been in 60 years.
• 1:35:00
  SPEAKER_35: And when you look at the price of a barrel of oil, and the metric is typically oil being over$100 a barrel, Obama and Biden had record high days of oil being over$100 a barrel.
• 1:35:16
  SPEAKER_35: That is not the case for Trump's first term where he had zero days, and even now it's not even close to being on par to what former President Barack Obama and Joe Biden were dealing with in terms of the barrels of oil being over$100.
• 1:35:32
  SPEAKER_35: You know, as far as I'm concerned, when it comes to the gas prices, the GOP should admit that they're high and that they should be lower.
• 1:35:38
  SPEAKER_35: But that handing over control of Congress to Democrats, regardless of which party you stand for, is basically like saying, I would like to keep paying high gas prices and I would like to pay even more.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_35: Democrats would rather have gasoline at$10 a gallon and you riding public transportation trains and wasting your money on the green agenda.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_35: That's the that's the way that I wish that the GOP would go and tackle the gas prices.
• 1:36:06
  SPEAKER_35: Just say, yeah, they're high.
• 1:36:08
  SPEAKER_35: Point to what I pointed to, the comparison with the Obama and Biden years, but then also point to your solution to go vote in Democrats to deal specifically with the get with the gas prices, it's got to be one of the most ludicrous ideas ever.
• 1:36:22
  SPEAKER_35: So here's Victor David Hansen on uh Laura Ingram last night on Fox News.
• 1:36:26
  SPEAKER_03: Victor, I've been very frustrated as people know who watch this show because I don't think enough people are actually making the case for what Trump has accomplished.
• 1:36:36
  SPEAKER_03: If they're gonna vote against Trump, well, before they vote against Trump, look at what's gonna happen if all of that is pulled back.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_03: Do you agree with me that the the the narrative in the media is everything's bad, everything's bad, everything's bad?
• 1:36:50
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think it's been countered.
• 1:36:53
  SPEAKER_23: Yeah, I I'm kind of under criticism for writing column after column to that effect.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_23: And you know, when you have the Atlantic Federal Reserve predicting five percent third-quarter growth, record low poverty, record low uh per capita family income, and 140,000 new jobs, it goes on and on, and we're not getting that message out.
• 1:37:16
  SPEAKER_23: I yeah, yeah, I think it's just a matter of time.
• 1:37:19
  SPEAKER_23: We only have four weeks, and if they can spend the money they have and get that message out, and then they have to very quickly say something about the Iran war, that we we are strangling them and they're losing control of the straits of our moves.
• 1:37:32
  SPEAKER_23: Oil's down to$93 today, and if we keep it up, we won't not have to retaliate, they'll implode, but the price of oil is going down, and that has to get across to the American people.
• 1:37:44
  SPEAKER_23: He's absolutely right.
• 1:37:47
  SPEAKER_35: And of course the message isn't getting out there.
• 1:37:50
  SPEAKER_35: Do you expect it that the message is gonna get out there with our current mainstream media?
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_35: No, of of course not.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_35: Of course not.
• 1:37:59
  SPEAKER_35: And even those Republicans that are out there saying these things, they're not being given the time to go and have that message be sprint as being uh be spread on any sort of significant level unless they happen to go and be on uh on Fox News.
• 1:38:17
  SPEAKER_35: All right, let me go, let me give you an update.
• 1:38:18
  SPEAKER_35: You had Victor David Hansen talking about the war in Iran, the Strait of Ormuz.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, I want to update you quickly before we dive into some local uh news here, because there is a local angle on this.
• 1:38:30
  SPEAKER_35: Those wannabe terrorists who targeted the U.S.
• 1:38:33
  SPEAKER_35: uh bombers overseas, uh, they've been set free by British authorities.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_35: They remain under investigation as police probe the fossil of the possible foreign state uh links.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_35: British police released five men on bail yesterday, arrested on suspicion of plotting to bomb a British airbase, hosting American forces.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_35: The head of uh Britain's counterterrorism policing said the suspects were released, but are subjected to stringent conditions on their movements and contact with others while investigators continue to pursue lines of inquiry.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_35: Uh the head of the British counterterrorism policing, Lawrence Taylor, said, I can confirm that following extensive interviews and inquiries, the five men who were arrested are being released.
• 1:39:19
  SPEAKER_35: This does not mean the investigation is over.
• 1:39:21
  SPEAKER_35: They are subject to stringent conditions on their movement and contact with others.
• 1:39:25
  SPEAKER_35: They absolutely remain under investigation as we explore multiple lines of inquiry.
• 1:39:31
  SPEAKER_35: All five men were British nationals, which is good to note, from London in their early to mid-20s.
• 1:39:38
  SPEAKER_35: Taylor did not specify foreign government involvement or uh a group being responsible.
• 1:39:44
  SPEAKER_35: He did acknowledge, uh, however, that investigators were examining whether a broader political, geopolitical situation could have played in a role.
• 1:39:54
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Reuters reported that a source similar with the investigation previously said that Iranian-linked motive was considered to be the most likely possibility, though investigators were also examining a possible Russian sabotage operation or Islamist plot.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_35: Um, right now they're going based off of the evidence, and the evidence that they have against these individuals uh did not warrant, according to British authorities, the ability to continue to detain them.
• 1:40:22
  SPEAKER_35: If this had happened in the U.S., a U.S.
• 1:40:24
  SPEAKER_35: judge might have held them further.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_35: But Marco Rubio was on Sean Hannity last night on Fox News.
• 1:40:29
  SPEAKER_35: They talked extensively um about this.
• 1:40:32
  SPEAKER_35: I want to share with you a few of uh Rubio's thoughts.
• 1:40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me preface by saying that I have to be careful.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's some things I cannot say on the air for a lot of different reasons.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Suffice it to say that what happened, what almost happened, what could have happened in the UK over the weekend is a very serious situation.
• 1:40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's one that uh clearly involves the hands of a foreign actor.
• 1:40:51
  SPEAKER_01: I won't get into great detail about that yet.
• 1:40:53
  SPEAKER_01: I do want to thank the authorities in the United Kingdom who have been very cooperative, and on top of it, I know a lot of people are disturbed by the news that some of these people have been released on bail as some of the people who are being investigated, and obviously we're engaging with them on all of that.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_01: But suffice it to say that uh beyond that I would argue that they've been very cooperative and very helpful, and something that's a very serious incident.
• 1:41:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it ties us to the reality here, and that is we are dealing with elements in the world, uh and in the case of Iran, for example, who have openly threatened to attack American interests globally.
• 1:41:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna always take that very seriously.
• 1:41:25
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be repercussions for that if it ever were to happen or even attempted.
• 1:41:29
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, but what happened this weekend could have been and was, I think, a very serious threat.
• 1:41:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to thank the UK for their cooperation and their help on it.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot more news that'll come out on this uh in the days to come, but uh there's only so much I can say right now at this point about it, other than um this is a very serious thing and it was uh it was responded to appropriately.
• 1:41:49
  SPEAKER_35: I have more on uh from Marco Rubio regarding this uh thwarted uh terror attack in just uh just a moment.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_35: Uh a couple of things, though, before I do that.
• 1:41:58
  SPEAKER_35: First off, uh uh Victor Davis Hansen, I think I said David Hansen, so the continuity directors on the blaster line are out in full force this morning.
• 1:42:05
  SPEAKER_35: So uh my apologies for that.
• 1:42:08
  SPEAKER_35: Also had a comment uh regarding the economy and the unemployment numbers.
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_28: Isn't it amazing that unemployment is plummeting and that all those jobs that the Democrats claim that Americans didn't want to work are getting filled with the absence of all the illegals?
• 1:42:29
  SPEAKER_28: That's crazy.
• 1:42:31
  SPEAKER_28: It's almost like they never were telling the truth.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_28: It's incredible how that happens about people and labor in this country.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_35: Right?
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_35: And we have a big immigration update, and it ties directly into the story of what's happening uh or what almost happened at this uh military base in the uh UK.
• 1:42:49
  SPEAKER_35: Uh thank you for the blast to 651-964-0294.
• 1:42:54
  SPEAKER_35: Let's get back to more of Marco Rubio and specifically about these suspects being released.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people are disturbed by the news that some of these people have been released on bail as some of the people are being investigated, and obviously we're engaging with them on all of that.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_01: But suffice it to say that uh beyond that, I would argue that they've been very cooperative and very helpful on something that's a very serious incident.
• 1:43:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it ties us to the reality here, and that is we are dealing with elements in the world, uh and in the case of Iran, for example, who have openly threatened to attack American interests globally.
• 1:43:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna always take that very seriously.
• 1:43:26
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be repercussions for that if it ever were to happen or even attempted.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_35: And Marco Rubio also spent time reminding everybody of why we're involved militarily with uh Iran in the first place.
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_35: And it's really important that you hear what Marco Rubio uh has to say.
• 1:43:43
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• 1:43:45
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• 1:43:49
  SPEAKER_35: I know that I do.
• 1:43:50
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• 1:43:52
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• 1:43:54
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• 1:43:58
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• 1:45:09
  SPEAKER_35: Now here's more of Marco Rubio, again, explaining um why uh President Donald Trump took on Iran in the first place.
• 1:45:17
  SPEAKER_01: What Iran was trying to do is they were trying to build up so many conventional weapons, meaning they'd have so many drones, so many rockets, so many missiles that nobody could possibly touch them.
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: They would become immune.
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_01: And behind that shield, behind that conventional shield of weaponry to threaten the entire region, our forces, even Europe, they would then break out towards a nuclear weapon.
• 1:45:36
  SPEAKER_01: That was their goal.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_01: And what the president had to address is he could not allow them to cross the line of immunity.
• 1:45:41
  SPEAKER_01: He could not allow them to reach a point where they had so many missiles, so many drones, and so many weapons that you couldn't do anything militarily about their nuclear program.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they were trying to achieve.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the president prevented.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_01: And he saved the world a tremendous amount of trouble.
• 1:45:55
  SPEAKER_01: Now look, the only way we would have found out the opposite is to allow it to happen.
• 1:45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then five years from now, everyone would be saying, I can't believe they allowed Iran behind a conventional shield to build and develop a nuclear weapons program, and now you have North Korea in the Middle East.
• 1:46:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we were on the verge of.
• 1:46:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what the president has prevented, and that's what he has consistently said from the very beginning of this operation.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Iran can never have a nuclear weapon.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what this whole endeavor has been about from the very beginning.
• 1:46:21
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what he's focused on and continues to be focused on.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_01: If Iran had a nuclear weapon, if Iran had a nuclear weapon, they could do whatever they want with the straits.
• 1:46:29
  SPEAKER_01: Think about what we're doing right now.
• 1:46:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I think you saw a few minutes ago you were playing videos of Scott Bessant commenting on it.
• 1:46:35
  SPEAKER_01: The straits are opened.
• 1:46:36
  SPEAKER_01: There is almost as much oil flowing through the straits now as before this conflict, with the exception of Iranian oil, which is not getting out.
• 1:46:43
  SPEAKER_01: If Iran had a nuclear weapon with which it could threaten its neighbors and the world, no one would be able to do anything about the straits.
• 1:46:50
  SPEAKER_01: They would be able to control the straits, charge a toll, and decide who got energy and who did not get energy on this planet.
• 1:46:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they would do if they had a nuclear weapon, and worse, we are talking about it.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_35: Let me pause this really quick.
• 1:47:02
  SPEAKER_35: I just When you look at the bench for the GOP, Marco Rubio, J.D.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_35: Vance, and compare it to the individuals being talked about on the Democrat side of things in 2028, your Kamala Harris Redo or your AOC, even your Josh Shapiro.
• 1:47:24
  SPEAKER_35: It's an interesting juxtaposition between those individuals.
• 1:47:27
  SPEAKER_35: And then listening to Marco Rubio here, who's just, you know, spitting truth, spitting fire with that truth on Fox News and Handy last night.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_01: Talking about a regime that has slaughtered, slaughtered hundred tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of their own people throughout the so-called revolution.
• 1:47:44
  SPEAKER_01: If that's what they're willing to do to their own people, imagine what they would do to Americans or others in the region or Israelis or anybody if they had a nuclear weapon.
• 1:47:52
  SPEAKER_01: They have no regard for the lives of anyone else.
• 1:47:54
  SPEAKER_01: And and my last point I want to make about it.
• 1:47:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oftentimes people make the mistake of equating Iran to a country.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_01: It is a country, but the problem with Iran is not the country.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_01: The problem with Iran is the revolution.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what governs in that country.
• 1:48:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the government officials you see with the suits on that go on meet the press and get this free pass on American media.
• 1:48:13
  SPEAKER_01: That's not who we're talking about here.
• 1:48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Who calls the shots in Iran a radical Shia clerics with an apocalyptic vision of the future?
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_01: They believe that it is their religious calling to trigger about the last days of the world and the apocalypse.
• 1:48:27
  SPEAKER_01: I know this sounds, you know, to a lot of people watching it, it sounds like something from a science from a movie, but it is the reality.
• 1:48:33
  SPEAKER_01: It is the stated purpose of the revolution.
• 1:48:36
  SPEAKER_01: People like that can never possess a nuclear weapon because they will use it to blackmail the world and to kill people.
• 1:48:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is an unacceptable risk.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_01: And President Trump did what other American presidents said but never did, which is prevent Iran from getting one.
• 1:48:51
  SPEAKER_35: And think about those last comments of the radicalization of the individuals that we're fighting against.
• 1:48:58
  SPEAKER_35: Think about that in context of what we talked about earlier in the show.
• 1:49:03
  SPEAKER_35: That progressive leftist reverend twisted, twisting and distorting the scriptures, how the left has gone and treated these various issues as if they were a religion.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_35: Hennepin County attorney, Scary Moriarty.
• 1:49:20
  SPEAKER_35: And the religion of her social justice zealotry and the damage that it has done to Minneapolis.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_35: And then people ask, well, why do they keep voting these individuals in the power?
• 1:49:31
  SPEAKER_35: It's because they have gone and turned it into a religion.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_35: And when that happens, individuals are less likely to embrace common sense, are less likely to be rational in their commentary.
• 1:49:45
  SPEAKER_35: When they're looking at a distorted view of the issues and the ideologies and the beliefs that they hold dear.
• 1:49:57
  SPEAKER_15: It's amazing.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_15: Anyone with half a brain could think turning anything over the Democrats to be for the better.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_15: The first thing every Democrat attacks, especially like president, like even when there are senators and representatives, is energy.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_15: They try to make it harder to get.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_15: They try to push their stupid solar and worthless wind when there's plenty of fuel out there.
• 1:50:29
  SPEAKER_15: And then gas prices go up again because they shut down things like the Keystone Pipeline.
• 1:50:34
  SPEAKER_35: That was one of the first things that Joe Biden did.
• 1:50:37
  SPEAKER_35: Was shut down the Keystone Pipeline.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_35: And how was it that the left got the support that they did for the green agenda?
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_35: Because they also turned that into a religion as well.
• 1:50:54
  SPEAKER_35: They very, very effectively did.
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_35: Alright, let's hear uh let's see how long we can stand some.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_35: I have more clips of Marco Rubio to share with you, but let's uh let's hear from Safoe of the shows this morning and what is on Mildred's Twisted Mind this morning.
• 1:51:10
  SPEAKER_42: Okay, Morton Zeric from Brainerd.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_42: MAGA, thank you for proving that President Trump is lying with this Marco, little Marco uh sound clips.
• 1:51:21
  SPEAKER_42: Um so they were going to get so many drones and missiles, then they would have had a nuke.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_42: Uh that's the opposite of what Trump said.
• 1:51:29
  SPEAKER_42: Trump said they were days away from getting a nuke.
• 1:51:32
  SPEAKER_42: Um, or you know, then we did Operation Midnight Hammer, then they were totally really gonna get a nuke.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_42: Um doesn't want us to cut and run.
• 1:51:41
  SPEAKER_35: What you're listening to is the equivalent of the Reverend, if you heard them earlier out of St.
• 1:51:46
  SPEAKER_35: Paul, that tried to go and imply that the scripture was saying that Lazarus was gay and potentially in a relationship with Jesus Christ.
• 1:51:57
  SPEAKER_35: That's the equivalent of what you're hearing in Mildred taking completely out of context, making up their own little twisted version of what they believe Trump said, the timeline in whence Trump uh said it, and then trying to use that to push back on Marco Rubio speaking truth on Fox News last night.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_42: Remember that phrase.
• 1:52:18
  SPEAKER_42: Um, but more importantly, yeah, little Marco saying about that they were very close to getting the nuke.
• 1:52:25
  SPEAKER_42: Um they actually have more drones than they did at the beginning of the Iran war, and that's because they've been buying and producing many, many more and putting more into production.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, Mildred also is now giving you the example of every single social media warrior online that suddenly becomes an expert on every single issue so that they can go and push forward on their narrative.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_35: This is actually doing the show a great disservice uh a great service, actually.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_35: I appreciate uh Mildred's comments here uh because they are giving us the real world examples of the twisted pretzel logic, once again, which is also a great Steely Dan album, of the left in this country who will manipulate all of the news of the day to fit their chosen narratives.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_42: And assembly.
• 1:53:13
  SPEAKER_42: So um no, we're less safe.
• 1:53:16
  SPEAKER_42: Uh just kidding, not at all.
• 1:53:18
  SPEAKER_42: Um Iran was never a threat to us, and the fact that now Marco is trying to say that they were a threat to other people and other Iran was never a threat to us.
• 1:53:29
  unknown: Wow.
• 1:53:30
  SPEAKER_24: The delusion is real, so real.
• 1:53:38
  SPEAKER_42: But we did an unprovoked attack on them, and now they are responding in kind by crippling the world's economy.
• 1:53:45
  SPEAKER_42: Thank you, Trump.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_42: Thank you, MAGA, for playing along, but uh no threat of a nuke.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_42: Operation McNighthammer was a disaster, and so was the Aran War.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_42: Have a great day.
• 1:53:54
  SPEAKER_35: That was uh clearly the most ridiculous, misguided commentary that you will hear on the show this morning.
• 1:54:03
  SPEAKER_35: I'll just give you just one.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_35: I'll let some of you guys fill in the gaps here.
• 1:54:07
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Mildred, uh the threat of Iran was absolutely real.
• 1:54:13
  SPEAKER_35: Uh not to mention the fact that this idea that uh Iran didn't provoke any uh any of this unprovoked.
• 1:54:20
  SPEAKER_35: Did you forget October 7th?
• 1:54:23
  SPEAKER_35: Did you forget who inspired those individuals to go into Israel to commit their murderous acts?
• 1:54:32
  SPEAKER_35: And did you forget that our military was directly involved in being targeted in the wake of Israel's response?
• 1:54:39
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, that's just an example of the threat that Iran was.
• 1:54:44
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• 1:54:56
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• 1:56:02
  SPEAKER_31: So what uh Mildred's telling us is that he has access to top secret information and intelligence that uh Iran has more for owns now.
• 1:56:10
  SPEAKER_31: So Mildred knows this because of I'm not sure, but apparently he's putting it on the White House briefings on intelligence.
• 1:56:19
  SPEAKER_31: So Okay, thanks, Mildred.
• 1:56:21
  SPEAKER_31: You must know more than the president.
• 1:56:25
  SPEAKER_39: Mildred, you're useless.
• 1:56:29
  SPEAKER_39: Name some sources.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_39: You come out here exponing all that garbage that you know nothing about.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_39: You're what they call a useful idiot, and then you just have no idea what you're talking about.
• 1:56:45
  SPEAKER_39: No facts, no sources, no challenge.
• 1:56:47
  SPEAKER_39: So we're supposed to just take the word of a psychotic quantum whatever from Branger?
• 1:56:56
  SPEAKER_39: I don't think so, channel.
• 1:57:00
  SPEAKER_35: 651-964-0294, or of course you can email John.justice at American Experiment.org.
• 1:57:07
  SPEAKER_31: So what uh Mildred's telling us is that he has access to top secret information and intelligence that uh Iran has more drones now.
• 1:57:15
  SPEAKER_31: So Mildred knows this.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_30: Yeah, no, exactly exactly.
• 1:57:19
  SPEAKER_30: Hey, good morning, John, Bruce and Shockby.
• 1:57:21
  SPEAKER_30: You know, I'm wondering if Mildred has a cat.
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_30: And if that cat scratched her.
• 1:57:28
  SPEAKER_30: Because she sounds like she has a bad case of cat scratch fever.
• 1:57:33
  SPEAKER_35: Anyway, I almost needed the uh rimshot for that one.
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_46: Hey, hey John, former neighbor Mike here, on a lighter note, Mildred sounds you like a recording of home over and over.
• 1:57:49
  SPEAKER_35: What is happening?
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_36: Hey, good morning, John.
• 1:57:54
  SPEAKER_36: I'm beginning to think that maybe Mildred you've got to shut up for her way.
• 1:58:03
  SPEAKER_36: You've got her on in here just to say silly things.
• 1:58:06
  SPEAKER_36: Nope.
• 1:58:07
  SPEAKER_36: So that we got something to talk about.
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_35: I despise that.
• 1:58:13
  SPEAKER_35: I have never once in my life ever done that.
• 1:58:18
  SPEAKER_35: Alright, okay, well, let me refer let me let me rephrase.
• 1:58:21
  SPEAKER_35: I've had and done Tom Fullery, that was uh blatantly Tom Fullery, and radio show stuff during my rock radio days when I was a DJ doing morning shows.
• 1:58:33
  SPEAKER_35: Then we would stage calls, but that was for effect and comedy bits.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_35: I have never once in my talk radio career, and I know that you were joking there, but I just want to I just want to lay this out.
• 1:58:44
  SPEAKER_35: I've never once done a setup call.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_35: I found out shortly after I started that this actually happens a lot.
• 1:58:52
  SPEAKER_35: I couldn't believe it.
• 1:58:53
  SPEAKER_35: Not for the stations that I worked for.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_35: But specifically, when there were people filling in for Rush, they often had calls that would set up the commentary for the hosts that were completely and totally uh fake.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_35: I I just I I I'm an elitist when it comes to that aspect of radio.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_35: It's why I can't stand like some of the War of the Roses bits that you hear on like music stations, because like legally they can't do that.
• 1:59:20
  SPEAKER_35: When they have somebody on and they're catching them sending flowers to their spouse or or loved one, but they're acting like they're the florist and they're putting them on the air, you can't you're not allowed to do that.
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_35: You have to tell the caller who you are.
• 1:59:35
  SPEAKER_35: It is illegal.
• 1:59:36
  SPEAKER_35: Oh, they're all a bunch of actors.
• 1:59:39
  SPEAKER_35: No, I trust me.
• 1:59:41
  SPEAKER_35: Mildred slash Eric from Brainerd is tragically a hundred percent uh uh real.
• 1:59:48
  SPEAKER_35: I just want to just I I think I've made that point clear.
• 1:59:50
  SPEAKER_35: As we uh I guess we've got to make it official.
• 1:59:52
  SPEAKER_35: Time flies this morning.
• 2:00:15
  SPEAKER_17: Oh, hi, this is Lorian Bloomington.
• 2:00:19
  SPEAKER_17: I was just listening to Mildred slash Eric from Brainerd.
• 2:00:24
  SPEAKER_17: And can you imagine?
• 2:00:27
  SPEAKER_17: He has got a great voice.
• 2:00:30
  SPEAKER_17: If only it would convey ideas that were coherent, and if he were cognizant of the world around him.
• 2:00:40
  SPEAKER_17: He's got a great voice.
• 2:00:41
  SPEAKER_17: Anyway, signing off.
• 2:00:43
  SPEAKER_17: Thanks, John.
• 2:00:44
  SPEAKER_17: Good show so far.
• 2:00:46
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Lori, I hate to break the uh mystique uh here, but um that uh I we're 99% sure that Mildred's using a voice disguiser, and that's not their uh their real voice.
• 2:00:57
  SPEAKER_35: All right, we were talking Marco Rubio last hour.
• 2:00:59
  SPEAKER_35: Marco Rubio was on uh Fox News last night talking with uh Sean Hannity, and I want to get to some uh local news in the final hour of the show uh today, including Trump uh announcing the$15 billion steel mill planned for Iowa of a company that is based in Minnesota.
• 2:01:21
  SPEAKER_35: Gee, I wonder why that uh happened.
• 2:01:24
  SPEAKER_35: But uh Marco Rubio was talking extensively about the war in Iran.
• 2:01:27
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, this sparked, of course, uh foe of the show Mildred to go and leave a ridiculous uh litany of uh of misinformation, uh fake news, and just straight up lies.
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Marco Rubio, though, also expressed uh concern over the countries that are being uh flooded with uh mass migration.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_01: No country in the world that's responsible, governed by responsible people, can allow their borders to just be open and allow anyone that wants to come in to flood in.
• 2:01:52
  SPEAKER_01: You can't flood countries with migration.
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we well, this is a country that was built on immigration, and immigration has to happen through an orderly process in which you get to decide who comes in, you know a lot about them, and you pick and choose how many people who and how many people can come in every single year.
• 2:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is proper migration, proper immigration.
• 2:02:11
  SPEAKER_35: We're gonna talk uh illegal immigration here in just a moment.
• 2:02:14
  SPEAKER_35: The DHS is denying that ICE ordered to limit migrant arrests.
• 2:02:19
  SPEAKER_35: I don't know if you saw this narrative uh floating around before I dive into this and turn our attention over to some immigration matters, including a lawsuit alleging that ICE violated uh Minnesota observers' rights, was dismissed by a judge.
• 2:02:33
  SPEAKER_35: Oh no.
• 2:02:34
  SPEAKER_35: I bet they were very sad.
• 2:02:36
  SPEAKER_35: Had a couple of comments that uh rolled into the blaster line regarding uh the foe of the show.
• 2:02:41
  SPEAKER_35: Uh first one says you gotta hand it to Eric or Mildred or whatever.
• 2:02:44
  SPEAKER_35: He slash she is really committed to the bit.
• 2:02:46
  SPEAKER_35: No, you're absolutely right.
• 2:02:48
  SPEAKER_35: Uh friend of the show, Chad from Anoka, said Mildred loves to call Iran a forever war.
• 2:02:53
  SPEAKER_35: It's six months old.
• 2:02:56
  SPEAKER_35: But it was okay for Democrats fighting wars for uh decades.
• 2:02:59
  SPEAKER_35: Uh he, she can't do uh can't do math.
• 2:03:03
  unknown: Yeah.
• 2:03:05
  SPEAKER_35: That's a really good point.
• 2:03:06
  SPEAKER_35: Thank you for the comments, guys.
• 2:03:07
  SPEAKER_35: All right.
• 2:03:08
  SPEAKER_35: Let's go here.
• 2:03:09
  SPEAKER_35: The Department of Homeland Security denied a report that the U.S.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_35: Immigrations and Customs Enforcement officers were recently instructed to arrest migrants only with criminal histories, besides coming in illegally.
• 2:03:23
  SPEAKER_35: This is false.
• 2:03:24
  SPEAKER_35: No one is off the table, DHS said in a post over the weekend.
• 2:03:29
  SPEAKER_35: We will continue to arrest any and all of the illegal aliens that come into our path.
• 2:03:34
  SPEAKER_35: Uh this was straight up fake news.
• 2:03:36
  SPEAKER_35: It's meant to frustrate and depress Trump supporters.
• 2:03:40
  SPEAKER_35: That's the only reason why uh this uh this narrative was out there.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_35: I saw the reports over the weekend and I held on talking about it until today because I wanted to see the Trump administration respond.
• 2:03:50
  SPEAKER_35: Because I was assuming that is what was uh happening.
• 2:03:55
  SPEAKER_35: Is that this was just straight up misinformation because as when I saw the story, looks at it, I I right up front.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_35: I saw the story and I went, what's going on?
• 2:04:03
  SPEAKER_35: Why is this really happening?
• 2:04:04
  SPEAKER_35: I was like, no, you know what, let me wait.
• 2:04:07
  SPEAKER_35: And sure enough, I was right.
• 2:04:09
  SPEAKER_35: Anyone in our country illegally will be arrested and deported, DHS said.
• 2:04:14
  SPEAKER_35: A CBS News immigration reporter um said that ICE sources said officers briefly received guidance limiting arrests to those with criminal histories, but that the instructions were quickly rolled back.
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_35: Oh, that's convenient.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_35: But the damage is done when that happens.
• 2:04:33
  SPEAKER_35: That's a really effective tool for the leftist media in order to go and spread these false narratives in order to potentially depress the vote of the individuals that support the efforts of the Trump administration.
• 2:04:50
  SPEAKER_35: Border czar Tom Homan was also it was a busy night last night on Fox, apparently, uh was also on Laura Ingram.
• 2:04:57
  SPEAKER_35: Um, and he talked about, speaking of voting, the Democrats' plan as it relates to having the millions upon millions of illegal aliens that flooded into the country, specifically during the Biden administration.
• 2:05:11
  SPEAKER_48: Probably, but I got a lot of faith in I was I was with Todd Blanch the other day, and they're filing record numbers of lawsuits against hatred and and jurisdictions for doing things like this.
• 2:05:21
  SPEAKER_48: They want to normalize illegal immigration.
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_48: I agree 100% with your monologue.
• 2:05:25
  SPEAKER_48: Look, when they open that border for four years, these Democrats are completely.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_48: What's a mismanagement is by design.
• 2:05:38
  SPEAKER_48: You said it.
• 2:05:39
  SPEAKER_48: I've been saying it for four years.
• 2:05:40
  SPEAKER_48: Bring millions of people into the United States, that's five to thank you for cities, let's end the Trump census rule to be counting the next census, which is more seats in the house for the dead.
• 2:05:48
  SPEAKER_48: Then let a Democratic administration come in and award amnesty to 15 million people who they think are future Democratic voters.
• 2:05:54
  SPEAKER_48: Look, they sold this country out for future political power because there's no downside in a secure border.
• 2:06:00
  SPEAKER_48: And I've asked a hundred Democrats, give me one downside on a secure border, and they can't.
• 2:06:08
  SPEAKER_19: I've always been intrigued by the whole topic of immigration building this country.
• 2:06:13
  SPEAKER_19: And uh a lot of times I end up in debates with friends about that.
• 2:06:17
  SPEAKER_19: And what I tell them is, yeah, but when you came here in 1820, you made your own way.
• 2:06:23
  SPEAKER_19: Or you died in the street.
• 2:06:25
  SPEAKER_19: The government didn't take care of you.
• 2:06:27
  SPEAKER_19: Now, when somebody comes, we have to take care of them.
• 2:06:31
  SPEAKER_19: So we can't just have the borders open like they were back in the 1800s, you know, or late 1700s.
• 2:06:38
  SPEAKER_19: And that's the key difference that nobody seems to understand.
• 2:06:43
  SPEAKER_35: The other major story right now that's being widely reported is that apparently there is a migrant caravan that's heading towards um America.
• 2:06:54
  SPEAKER_35: I have comments from both the Border Tsar, uh Tom Homan, and also the DHS secretary, Mark Wayne Mullen, about this caravan.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_35: The reason why this caravan is heading here is because of what we talked about earlier in the show, and that is the polling that shows Republicans may be in trouble in these upcoming midterm elections.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_35: You make of the polls what you will.
• 2:07:18
  SPEAKER_35: Make no mistake, there is a concerted effort right now to try to go and depress the Republican vote.
• 2:07:26
  SPEAKER_35: Now, whether or not this is playing heavily into the polling is what we're seeing, remains to be seen.
• 2:07:32
  SPEAKER_35: That said, there are a group of individuals that are buying into this potential that Democrats could take control of Congress in the midterm elections, and this is why you have a migrant caravan that's now heading towards the United States.
• 2:07:49
  SPEAKER_35: Here is what the Borders are had to say about this particular issue.
• 2:07:52
  SPEAKER_03: Not that this is the point, but politically, I think it backfires on the Democrats because it reminds voters what's coming down the pike.
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_48: Yeah, and I hope they're paying attention.
• 2:08:02
  SPEAKER_48: Again, they haven't changed a bit.
• 2:08:04
  SPEAKER_48: The man remember the images of 12,000 illegal aliens a day coming across the border, and now they want to botch the AC that has to find them and deport them.
• 2:08:14
  SPEAKER_48: They haven't changed a bit.
• 2:08:15
  SPEAKER_48: But you know, thank God we got President Trump in the Oval Office, who I think is the greatest president in my lifetime.
• 2:08:20
  SPEAKER_48: Promises made, promises kept the most secure border in the history of this nation, even better than Trump 45.
• 2:08:28
  SPEAKER_48: They can't stand it.
• 2:08:29
  SPEAKER_48: But we're gonna hold that border tight.
• 2:08:31
  SPEAKER_48: The border's closed, it's gonna remain closed.
• 2:08:33
  SPEAKER_48: Thank God President Trump's in the Oval Office.
• 2:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, Mexico, Mexico should be uh told uh you you deal with this on your side.
• 2:08:42
  SPEAKER_35: I have uh further commentary uh to share uh from uh Mark Wayne Mullen, the DHS secretary, regarding what the administration is planning on doing in dealing with this migrant caravan.
• 2:08:53
  SPEAKER_35: Before I do that, though, I want to go back to the blaster line, 651-964-0294.
• 2:08:59
  SPEAKER_35: On the topic of a scripted radio, that of which I've never taken part in.
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_35: Uh, we have a uh friend of the show from a long time ago.
• 2:09:08
  SPEAKER_18: Hey, John.
• 2:09:09
  SPEAKER_18: Um, I live in one of the media markets that you uh formerly uh used to work in, and uh I remember uh from the most part been about 15 years now, uh maybe longer, uh, but uh major radio shows that uh nationally syndicated all across the nation uh was called for uh you know having um companies.
• 2:09:33
  SPEAKER_18: There's companies out there that have these scripted phone calls and they would you know call in and have these uh another local radio host actually aided them and it became like a huge scandal here locally with all over the papers to news um and it kind of should light to the entire radio industry on how these morning shows were just having um you know basically these these companies call in with these scenarios that were uh totally scripted 100% and they would pay these companies to do so.
• 2:10:03
  SPEAKER_18: Anyways, um I don't think you do that.
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_18: I I I recognize your content, you're you're a good man, good show.
• 2:10:10
  SPEAKER_18: Love it.
• 2:10:11
  SPEAKER_18: Thank you.
• 2:10:12
  SPEAKER_35: You know, there's so much concern.
• 2:10:13
  SPEAKER_35: We had uh a great conversation again this morning with our AI analyst and expert David Gartenstein Ross, and uh there's so much concern about you know truth in AI, what's AI, what's not, what's real, and what's fake.
• 2:10:26
  SPEAKER_35: We we need to be just as concerned in regular everyday life.
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_35: I know this is the whole fake news was brought uh was brought about because of this, but listen, make no mistake, the news media does this garbage all the time.
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_35: I was watching a video the other day.
• 2:10:40
  SPEAKER_35: It was a CNN reporter, he was in some foreign country, I don't know what war he was covering.
• 2:10:44
  SPEAKER_35: He was lying on the ground, he had his his uh his helmet on, his flak jacket there, he's lying down behind some bushes talking about enemy fire and how concerned he was, and then there was some elderly woman that came walking out of the house next door to walk over to him to make sure that he was okay.
• 2:11:00
  SPEAKER_35: It was all a complete and total, total setup.
• 2:11:03
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah.
• 2:11:04
  SPEAKER_35: Just not even close to being genuine.
• 2:11:07
  SPEAKER_35: All right.
• 2:11:07
  SPEAKER_35: Regarding uh that migrant caravan current uh currently heading uh through Latin America toward uh the United States, here is uh Secretary Mark Wayne Mullen on the issue.
• 2:11:23
  SPEAKER_08: President Trump has made that very clear.
• 2:11:25
  SPEAKER_08: The most secure border, not just in our nation, I guess, but in any country.
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_08: Plus, at the same time, we have the most secure hit in the history of this nation.
• 2:11:32
  SPEAKER_08: Um we've let zero people in since 26 or and 16 months, and we're not gonna let this caravan in.
• 2:11:38
  SPEAKER_08: I've been talking with the uh Mexican government.
• 2:11:41
  SPEAKER_08: We actually have been watching this caravan for quite some time.
• 2:11:44
  SPEAKER_08: Uh, they're also participating and helping to start break this care uh to break this caravan up.
• 2:11:50
  SPEAKER_08: They understand that they're gonna have a crisis on their border border, not our border, because they're not entering.
• 2:11:55
  SPEAKER_08: We made this very clear.
• 2:11:56
  SPEAKER_08: We will flex with DOW, we'll flex with Assets we have in DHS, we'll put the Coast Guard down there.
• 2:12:04
  SPEAKER_08: And we don't dimin' not to mention, remember, we are building wall every single day.
• 2:12:09
  SPEAKER_08: And that wall, every time we build a mile, we secure a mile.
• 2:12:13
  SPEAKER_08: And we're going to continue to do that.
• 2:12:14
  SPEAKER_08: So why this caravan can keep on walking, let me be very clear.
• 2:12:18
  SPEAKER_08: There's zero, zero possibility you're going to get in here like the Biden administration and claim asylum with those magic words.
• 2:12:27
  SPEAKER_08: That is no longer the policy that we're allowing you to enter in.
• 2:12:31
  SPEAKER_35: A lot of people wonder how do these caravans end up forming?
• 2:12:35
  SPEAKER_35: How does this happen?
• 2:12:36
  SPEAKER_35: There's organizations that spread the information.
• 2:12:41
  SPEAKER_35: It gets pushed through radio across our southern border.
• 2:12:47
  SPEAKER_35: There's a concern on our Canadian border, too.
• 2:12:49
  SPEAKER_35: We'll get into some comments from uh President uh Donald Trump here in uh in just a moment, as well as we turn our attention over to some local uh matters specifically regarding immigration.
• 2:13:00
  SPEAKER_35: But the activist organizations and these border groups that have been around for decades, they spread this false information.
• 2:13:06
  SPEAKER_35: It gets repeated on radio stations all throughout Mexico, down into Central America.
• 2:13:11
  SPEAKER_35: And then those same activist organizations, they organize these caravans and encourage people to go and start heading for the United States border.
• 2:13:20
  SPEAKER_35: It's all political.
• 2:13:21
  SPEAKER_35: They do not care about the safety and security of these individuals.
• 2:13:25
  SPEAKER_35: They spread lies and they manipulate and spread their own version of fake news while giving hope to these individuals in other countries that if they come to the United States, it will be the Democrats that will save them.
• 2:13:38
  SPEAKER_35: I mean, it's partly what happened during the Biden administration, but when you have a completely open border and law enforcement that's being told not to go and enforce the rules, you're going to end up with an influx of individuals flooding into the country.
• 2:13:51
  SPEAKER_35: And as we heard from Tom Homan earlier, that was all done specifically by design.
• 2:13:56
  SPEAKER_35: But these individuals are putting their lives in danger to seek a better life.
• 2:14:00
  SPEAKER_35: And just remember, to seek a better life in the country that the left is constantly saying is horrible, awful, systemically racist, and being ruled by an authoritarian dictator named President Donald Trump.
• 2:14:16
  SPEAKER_35: It's all one big massive scam.
• 2:14:18
  SPEAKER_35: And lives will be lost on that journey to the United States.
• 2:14:26
  SPEAKER_35: All because there are those individuals that want to politically exploit the downtrodden in other countries and give them a false sense of hope that if they come to the United States and Democrats take over, that they will support their mediocre lifestyle as long as those illegal aliens bend the knee to the left.
• 2:14:46
  SPEAKER_29: Hey, John, political polls had Kamala Harris winning the last general election where President Trump won the majority vote.
• 2:14:54
  SPEAKER_29: He won every swing vote.
• 2:14:56
  SPEAKER_29: I mean, we all look at polls because there's something to look at.
• 2:14:59
  SPEAKER_29: I don't know why anyone believes any of them.
• 2:15:03
  SPEAKER_29: And I don't know why anyone believes any poll, especially in Minnesota, showing that the Democrats are winning.
• 2:15:10
  SPEAKER_29: I mean, we go through this every cycle.
• 2:15:12
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah.
• 2:15:14
  SPEAKER_35: Guy, I remember, oh my gosh.
• 2:15:18
  SPEAKER_35: I don't know how many elections ago it was, but it was one, it was when Republicans had taken control of Congress.
• 2:15:25
  SPEAKER_35: I want to say it was during the midterms for uh former President Obama in the first year of the second of the second term.
• 2:15:34
  SPEAKER_35: Anyway, I remember the Democrats took a shellacking and suddenly like the narrative was, oh, are the Democrats suddenly in trouble?
• 2:15:41
  SPEAKER_35: Is the Democrat Party dead?
• 2:15:43
  SPEAKER_35: And then they do the same thing and make the same commentary when Republicans lost control in other elections.
• 2:15:49
  SPEAKER_35: Yeah, it just you're you're right.
• 2:15:50
  SPEAKER_35: The cycle just repeats.
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_35: And right now it's even worse than it ever was before because it's not about delivering the truth in the media, it's about driving clicks and pushing the agenda.
• 2:16:00
  SPEAKER_38: Hey, John, Steve from Andover.
• 2:16:02
  SPEAKER_38: I remember a hurricane report by Anderson Pooper Scooper.
• 2:16:08
  SPEAKER_38: Um, and he was waste or no, he was shoulder high in water, and he was reporting from this flooded area.
• 2:16:18
  SPEAKER_38: And after the cameras, you know, they cut the picture, he stood up because he was on his knees trying to show, and it was probably knee-high water.
• 2:16:28
  SPEAKER_38: So it happened, and it's it's been like a couple years, but that's just told me, don't believe anything you see.
• 2:16:39
  SPEAKER_19: So looking at the timing of this caravan, it's pretty obvious what they're hoping for.
• 2:16:44
  SPEAKER_19: They're hoping for a violent confrontation at the border to mobilize their base right before the midterm.
• 2:16:50
  SPEAKER_19: It's super frustrating.
• 2:16:52
  SPEAKER_19: And it's super frustrating to me that essentially it's mostly religious organizations that fund these caravans on their way north.
• 2:17:00
  SPEAKER_19: Um, you know, uh I get that you want to be compassionate, but you're not being compassionate by funding these guys.
• 2:17:10
  SPEAKER_35: No.
• 2:17:10
  SPEAKER_35: No, and and you're and you are um you are spot on.
• 2:17:14
  SPEAKER_35: I actually had similar commentary, and I'm glad that you landed on it, because that's exactly what the Democrats are are hoping for.
• 2:17:21
  SPEAKER_35: One, if the Democrats win in the midterms, then they want the ability to allow these individuals to flood into the country.
• 2:17:29
  SPEAKER_35: Thankfully, Trump will still be the president, and as the secretary said, Mark Wayne Mullen, we will do everything to stop them, but that's what they're looking for.
• 2:17:39
  SPEAKER_35: That's what they're looking for.
• 2:17:40
  SPEAKER_35: They want a violent confrontation at the border.
• 2:17:42
  SPEAKER_35: They want our military to stop the caravan, and then they can benefit either way.
• 2:17:47
  SPEAKER_35: If they win or if they lose, it doesn't matter.
• 2:17:49
  SPEAKER_35: If the Democrats win and you have a brand new crop of Democrats who have taken control of Congress, they'll be the ones pushing forward all kinds of immigration reform legislation while the administration rightly pushes back on allowing these individuals to come in.
• 2:18:04
  SPEAKER_35: You could it's you could script it out probably because the Democrats have gone and scripted it somewhere on their own.
• 2:18:12
  SPEAKER_35: So thank you for the uh commentary.
• 2:18:14
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• 2:18:17
  SPEAKER_35: We'll get to more coming up in uh just a moment.
• 2:18:20
  SPEAKER_35: Also, a lawsuit alleging ICE violated Minnesota observers' rights is dismissed by a judge.
• 2:18:26
  SPEAKER_35: U.S.
• 2:18:27
  SPEAKER_35: District Judge Catherine M.
• 2:18:28
  SPEAKER_35: Menendez granted a government motion on September 18th to dismiss the lawsuit filed during Operation Metro Surge by the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota and its legal partners on behalf of Susan Tincher and 10 other plaintiffs.
• 2:18:44
  SPEAKER_35: The individuals, a union and a news organization, allege that ICE brutalized and detained residents and reporters who were observing and recording agents during raids and enforcement operations.
• 2:18:57
  SPEAKER_35: Their lawsuit sought to curtail the agents' future abuse of residents and their constitutional rights.
• 2:19:03
  SPEAKER_35: What's missing from this Minnesota Star Tribune article is all of the actions done by the individuals who filed this lawsuit who voluntarily put themselves into a position to get into altercations with immigrations and customs enforcement.
• 2:19:21
  SPEAKER_35: Tincher, the Minneapolis resident and lead plaintiff, says she tried to record a nice operation near her home on December 9th and was immediately pushed into a snowbank, oh no, by federal agents who arrested her and took her to the Bishop Henry Whipple Federal Building.
• 2:19:36
  SPEAKER_35: While she was being held, Tincher said her wedding ring and some of her clothing were cut off.
• 2:19:43
  SPEAKER_35: Again, um, and what did she do to provoke the uh ICE agents?
• 2:19:48
  SPEAKER_35: Because certainly the judge here, as they ruled the end of Operation Metro surge and the drawdown of agents, means the plaintiffs a lack of any standing to sue.
• 2:19:58
  SPEAKER_35: Because they weren't even getting into the abuse allegations regarding this.
• 2:20:03
  SPEAKER_35: She was detained for several hours, eventually released without being charged.
• 2:20:07
  SPEAKER_35: Ten other plaintiffs alleged similar mistreatment.
• 2:20:09
  SPEAKER_35: Observers say they were routinely beaten, pepper sprayed, and thrown to the ground, and detained while trying to document immigration's conduct.
• 2:20:16
  SPEAKER_35: Now, the judge issued a preliminary injunction back in January, barring agents from retaliating or using excessive force.
• 2:20:22
  SPEAKER_35: It was blocked by an appeals court.
• 2:20:25
  SPEAKER_35: Menendez's 25 uh 27-page September summary found the plaintiffs lacked a standing to bring the case, and the immigration surge was over.
• 2:20:36
  SPEAKER_35: And the alleged violation of the First and Fourth Amendment rights was over.
• 2:20:41
  SPEAKER_35: Menendez acknowledged Tinchur and others may have faced troubling incidents of past harm, but they could no longer establish that they faced an imminent risk.
• 2:20:50
  SPEAKER_35: This judge is saving face, by the way.
• 2:20:52
  SPEAKER_35: This judge knows full well the individuals involved in this had absolutely no standing whatsoever to make the claims that they were making because they did go and get in the way voluntarily of law enforcement.
• 2:21:02
  SPEAKER_35: We saw it time and time again during Operation Metro Surge.
• 2:21:05
  SPEAKER_35: They intentionally went and got in the way to bring about this behavior from ICE.
• 2:21:10
  SPEAKER_35: It's very similar to what the uh previous uh blast had said of the friend of the show.
• 2:21:15
  SPEAKER_35: They invited the confrontation, they got the confrontation, and then they used that confrontation that they provoked to go and push back on ICE.
• 2:21:23
  SPEAKER_35: It's that simple.
• 2:21:25
  SPEAKER_35: And the judge in this case is saving face because they know that.
• 2:21:29
  SPEAKER_35: So basically, they got the best of both worlds in their ruling.
• 2:21:32
  SPEAKER_35: One, they can make the plaintiffs feel better, going, Yeah, I know that you may have been brutalized, but um, guess what?
• 2:21:38
  SPEAKER_35: There's no longer any imminent risk, and I'm dismissing all of it.
• 2:21:41
  SPEAKER_35: Because the judge knew full well everything that I just told you.
• 2:21:46
  SPEAKER_35: Now, to that point, President Donald Trump, during a press conference yesterday, sounds the alarm that Canada is importing mass third world migrants.
• 2:21:56
  SPEAKER_35: Here's what uh the president had to say regarding this issue.
• 2:21:59
  SPEAKER_50: Many, many people are going into Canada right now from other parts of the world, and it's not a good situation.
• 2:22:04
  SPEAKER_50: They're coming in totally unchecked, totally unbedded.
• 2:22:08
  SPEAKER_50: I don't know what Canada is.
• 2:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: How does this happen?
• 2:22:13
  SPEAKER_50: I think what's gonna happen is over the next three or four weeks, they're gonna come to us and they're gonna say, we're gonna get rid of all the terrorists.
• 2:22:23
  SPEAKER_50: We're gonna win everything.
• 2:22:24
  SPEAKER_50: We even have Lake Ontario is now Lake America.
• 2:22:30
  SPEAKER_35: He's right.
• 2:22:31
  SPEAKER_35: He's absolutely right.
• 2:22:33
  SPEAKER_35: And it's a very similar issue to what's happening in the UK as we've been discussing with that uh attempted uh terrorist attack.
• 2:22:40
  SPEAKER_35: All right.
• 2:22:41
  SPEAKER_35: Uh let's turn our attention.
• 2:22:42
  SPEAKER_35: We'll keep it on Trump here in just a moment.
• 2:22:44
  SPEAKER_35: I have some audio to share.
• 2:22:45
  SPEAKER_35: President Donald Trump yesterday announced a new$15 billion steel plant in Iowa based on a company that's here in Minnesota.
• 2:22:55
  SPEAKER_35: How sad.
• 2:22:57
  SPEAKER_35: It's depressing, really, when you think about it.
• 2:23:00
  SPEAKER_35: Now, this is India's uh ASAR group.
• 2:23:03
  SPEAKER_35: It's an industrial conglomerate, so they do have a location in India, but this was a Minnesota-based uh company that is now going to go and spend$15 building a massive steel mill with huge benefits for the state of Iowa, their community, the jobs, the income, the United States as a whole.
• 2:23:26
  SPEAKER_35: And I wonder why it was.
• 2:23:29
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota didn't get this massive, massive new facility here in Minnesota, and Iowa got it instead.
• 2:23:40
  SPEAKER_35: Boy, the mind just reels with questions.
• 2:23:42
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• 2:26:02
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• 2:29:09
  SPEAKER_35: And I wonder why they didn't choose us.
• 2:29:12
  SPEAKER_50: Today we're thrilled to announce that Misabi Metallics will be building the largest steel plant in American history in the great state of Irish.
• 2:29:21
  SPEAKER_50: The largest plant, one of the largest plants in the world, but it's the largest plant in America by far.
• 2:29:28
  SPEAKER_50: This deal will be mined, melted, and made right here in the USA, which is something we're used for.
• 2:29:34
  SPEAKER_50: The project is expected to create up to 6,000 new construction jobs.
• 2:29:39
  SPEAKER_50: Newly 2,000 manufacturing of mining jobs added 95 billion dollars to the U.S.
• 2:29:46
  SPEAKER_50: economy, which is the number one economy in the world by far.
• 2:30:03
  SPEAKER_50: And it's gonna be over the next ten years using advanced steel making technology.
• 2:30:08
  SPEAKER_50: The plant will produce some of the highest quality, most affordable steel anywhere in the world.
• 2:30:16
  SPEAKER_50: And using it here, also shipping it outside.
• 2:30:21
  SPEAKER_50: It's only possible because of the pro-American policies of the Trump administration under steel production declined significantly nearly 200,000 manufacturing jobs were lost in the year before I took office.
• 2:30:39
  SPEAKER_50: And they were leaving, they were losing these jobs at record numbers.
• 2:30:43
  SPEAKER_50: But soon after my inauguration, I opposed powerful 50% tariffs on all foreign steel, and now our steel industry is roaring back to life.
• 2:30:53
  SPEAKER_50: Everyone's building their plant here because they don't want to pay tariffs.
• 2:30:56
  SPEAKER_35: Let me take a different approach on this.
• 2:30:58
  SPEAKER_35: Um, with this uh massive uh steel mill plan for Iowa of this uh was it Misabi uh Metallics, a Minnesota-based company owned by India's ASAR Group, the industrial conglomerate.
• 2:31:10
  SPEAKER_35: Uh it's obvious why they didn't choose Minnesota.
• 2:31:12
  SPEAKER_35: I wouldn't have chos Minnesota.
• 2:31:15
  SPEAKER_35: You look at our taxes here, you look at the fraud in the state, you look at our energy plans.
• 2:31:21
  SPEAKER_35: We talked about this extensively yesterday with Darren Nelson, the policy fellow here at American Experiment.
• 2:31:27
  SPEAKER_35: Governor Dim Walls and the DFL have done everything that they can do to make Minnesota the least viable state in the nation in which to go and conduct business.
• 2:31:40
  SPEAKER_35: Look at the wrong track Minnesota list available at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 2:31:46
  SPEAKER_35: We're behind economically.
• 2:31:48
  SPEAKER_35: It makes all the fiscal sense that this company would not choose Minnesota.
• 2:31:53
  SPEAKER_35: That in that in line, that in itself is the tragedy.
• 2:31:58
  SPEAKER_35: That is the legacy of Governor Dim Walls.
• 2:32:02
  SPEAKER_35: This is the legacy that Amy Klobishar has endorsed, courtesy of Governor Dim Walls.
• 2:32:10
  SPEAKER_35: We had a comment that rolled in.
• 2:32:12
  SPEAKER_35: Somebody said, I wonder if uh if uh Governor Walls will hold the press conference blaming President Donald Trump.
• 2:32:18
  SPEAKER_35: Just wait.
• 2:32:18
  SPEAKER_35: They're probably spot on.
• 2:32:20
  SPEAKER_35: Oppressor blaming Donald Trump as to why we didn't end up getting uh this massive$15 billion uh steel uh mill.
• 2:32:30
  SPEAKER_43: Hi, John.
• 2:32:31
  SPEAKER_43: John from Minneapolis.
• 2:32:33
  SPEAKER_43: Concerning the new steel plant.
• 2:32:39
  SPEAKER_43: Do you honestly think Tim Walls would allow a steel plant in Minnesota?
• 2:32:49
  SPEAKER_43: Oh my god.
• 2:32:50
  SPEAKER_35: Actually, let me let me stop.
• 2:32:51
  SPEAKER_35: I I I think he would.
• 2:32:53
  SPEAKER_35: I I think he would.
• 2:32:55
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Democrats, they have there's no integrity.
• 2:32:58
  SPEAKER_35: The term hypocrisy doesn't exist in their vocabulary.
• 2:33:03
  SPEAKER_35: And if it does, they don't treat it as a negative.
• 2:33:06
  SPEAKER_35: So if Walls had the opportunity to get this$15 billion steel mill and he was able to go and spin it in a positive way, which you could easily do for the DFL ahead of the elections, yeah, I absolutely think he would have done it, even though the assessment, your premise is absolutely correct.
• 2:33:27
  SPEAKER_35: It wouldn't align typically with the beliefs of a communist like Governor Walls.
• 2:33:35
  SPEAKER_35: But if he could go and you know make political hay out of it, he absolutely would.
• 2:33:39
  SPEAKER_35: Speaking of fraud from Alpha News, a new federal report put puts uh Minnesota at the top of a list no state wants to be on.
• 2:33:49
  SPEAKER_35: The number of subjects per capita identified in suspected health care fraud reports.
• 2:33:56
  SPEAKER_35: We're number one.
• 2:33:58
  SPEAKER_35: We're number one.
• 2:34:01
  SPEAKER_35: New analysis from the U.S.
• 2:34:02
  SPEAKER_35: Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, known as FinCEN.
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_35: It shows that Minnesota had the highest number of subjects per capita identified in bank reports tied to suspected health care fraud.
• 2:34:19
  SPEAKER_35: Nationwide, the report identified approximately$17.5 billion in suspicious activity potentially connected to health care fraud.
• 2:34:30
  SPEAKER_35: California had the most subjects identified overall, followed by Florida and New York.
• 2:34:36
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota ranked fourth despite its much smaller population.
• 2:34:41
  SPEAKER_35: But when the numbers were adjusted for a population, Minnesota shot to number one.
• 2:34:49
  SPEAKER_35: Ah, keep your feet on the ground to keep reaching for the stars.
• 2:34:52
  SPEAKER_35: That's where all the fraud is.
• 2:34:54
  SPEAKER_35: Or something.
• 2:35:06
  SPEAKER_35: I know this has not come as a shock to you.
• 2:35:08
  SPEAKER_35: Before I get to more details from this Alpha News uh story, uh let me share with you another clip of President Donald Trump from that same press conference yesterday.
• 2:35:16
  SPEAKER_35: In this one, uh he backhands uh governor uh Dim Walls and how he has been running uh the state of Minnesota.
• 2:35:25
  SPEAKER_50: And how is the governor treating you?
• 2:35:27
  SPEAKER_50: Because I freed up the iron ore in it.
• 2:35:30
  SPEAKER_50: I said I absolutely won the election, but it wouldn't they cheat like how is the governor treating you?
• 2:35:37
  SPEAKER_50: Because they freed it up and then they closed it.
• 2:35:39
  SPEAKER_50: And the people were devastated.
• 2:35:41
  SPEAKER_50: Because it's it is the finest iron ore in the world.
• 2:35:44
  SPEAKER_50: They say.
• 2:35:45
  SPEAKER_50: So how is the governor and these other people that don't I mean it's one of the worst fun places I've ever seen.
• 2:35:53
  SPEAKER_02: How would they do it?
• 2:35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Mr.
• 2:35:54
  SPEAKER_02: President, we were there only ten days ago actually to initiate the money.
• 2:35:58
  SPEAKER_02: We set up 1.3 million pounds of explosives to put it into operation, and that will be the iron order that feeds this plant and that makes Steel and America.
• 2:36:07
  SPEAKER_50: And we can supersede the state, right?
• 2:36:10
  SPEAKER_50: If we can supersede the state, it's great.
• 2:36:12
  SPEAKER_50: Otherwise, the state will never be good.
• 2:36:15
  SPEAKER_50: They're very they're they're really troubled people.
• 2:36:19
  SPEAKER_50: Uh thank you.
• 2:36:21
  SPEAKER_35: It appeared in 300 suspected health care fraud-related reports.
• 2:36:27
  SPEAKER_35: That's Hennepin County alone.
• 2:36:31
  SPEAKER_35: Second only to Los Angeles.
• 2:36:34
  SPEAKER_35: And Los Angeles County's 777, ahead of Miami-Dade County's 247.
• 2:36:43
  SPEAKER_35: The population difference makes Hennepin County ranking even more striking.
• 2:36:48
  SPEAKER_35: Critics have pointed to another demographic parallel.
• 2:36:53
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota is home to the nation's largest Somali population, with most Somali Minnesotans living in the Minneapolis-St.
• 2:37:02
  SPEAKER_35: Paul area, according to the Minnesota Department of Health.
• 2:37:04
  SPEAKER_35: Hennepin County, meanwhile, has the largest Somali population of any county in the country, with 38,588 people identifying as Somali in the 2022 census.
• 2:37:18
  SPEAKER_35: But these are conversations that we're not allowed to have.
• 2:37:20
  SPEAKER_35: Because the Democrats have successfully, depending on how you want to define successfully, but they have.
• 2:37:28
  SPEAKER_35: The Democrats have successfully made it on their side that if you talk about anything specifically relating to a community or a minority group that you're immediately labeled a racist when we're just talking about the facts.
• 2:37:43
  SPEAKER_35: I have a clip.
• 2:37:44
  SPEAKER_35: I'm going to spike this uh in here in just a moment because it somewhat relates to this.
• 2:37:48
  SPEAKER_35: I want to stick on fraud, but I want to land on this Somali issue for just a moment.
• 2:37:53
  SPEAKER_35: It doesn't mean that all Somali immigrants are committing fraud and that all Somali children, as I'll demonstrate here in just a moment, are out there committing acts of crime.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_35: That is to say that we do have an issue relating to Somali gangs here in the Twin Cities in Minnesota, and we have an issue relating to the fraud that is being conducted by members of the Somali community.
• 2:38:17
  SPEAKER_35: 90% of the fraud is associated with the Somali community.
• 2:38:20
  SPEAKER_35: There's nothing racist about that.
• 2:38:22
  SPEAKER_35: That is just the facts.
• 2:38:23
  SPEAKER_35: And the reason why we're not allowed to have a conversation about this is one, the left believes that this is a demographic that they want to continue to take advantage of when it comes to our elections.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_35: And to go and hold individuals accountable would undermine ultimately that goal.
• 2:38:44
  SPEAKER_35: But if we want to tackle these issues of young people, Somali gangs, and fraud relating to the Somali community, you have to have a conversation about the culture.
• 2:38:55
  SPEAKER_35: The mentality of individuals who immigrate to this comp to this country, even legally, but they're coming here because they've been encouraged and told that they can commit acts of fraud here.
• 2:39:06
  SPEAKER_35: A lot of this behavior, whether it is the young Somali children through their families and what they learned, or the individuals coming from these poor regions of the world, it's ingrained within the culture.
• 2:39:21
  SPEAKER_35: A lot of individuals don't even think they're doing anything wrong.
• 2:39:24
  SPEAKER_35: They're being told this.
• 2:39:25
  SPEAKER_35: There's a parallel here to what I was talking about earlier regarding illegal immigration and the propaganda that gets spread south of our southern border to individuals who want to come to the United States to seek a better life, or they're sold and told a bunch of lies to encourage them to do just that by Democrats who also want to seek to exploit them.
• 2:39:45
  SPEAKER_35: The same thing is happening within our Somali community.
• 2:39:48
  SPEAKER_35: And there's a cultural issue here, but again, these are conversations that we're not allowed to go and have because then we might actually be able to go and tackle the problem.
• 2:39:57
  SPEAKER_35: Now, I do want to stick on fraud.
• 2:39:59
  SPEAKER_35: I have an amazing story here.
• 2:40:00
  SPEAKER_35: Also from Alpha News, Minnesota's Snap problem, that we'll dive into here in uh in just a in just a moment.
• 2:40:08
  SPEAKER_35: Before I do, though, let me share with you a clip.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_35: Uh Alpha News, again.
• 2:40:13
  SPEAKER_35: Edina police chief Todd Milburn talking about this shooting that we have not discussed on the show yet.
• 2:40:20
  SPEAKER_35: There was a shooting that took place at Our Lady of Grace Catholic School and Church.
• 2:40:25
  SPEAKER_35: And I held off on talking about the story because once again I was waiting for further information.
• 2:40:31
  SPEAKER_35: So we had more details about what actually transpired.
• 2:40:34
  SPEAKER_35: What's fascinating about the story, though, is that this is a shooting that took place at a school.
• 2:40:40
  SPEAKER_35: And yes, it received some media coverage, but certainly not the media coverage that we've seen other school-related shootings receive.
• 2:40:49
  SPEAKER_35: Now, granted, those other school-related shootings, and specifically the Annunciation shooting, were a lot more egregious than what took place here.
• 2:40:56
  SPEAKER_35: Be that as it may, there's a commonality here, and you would think there would be at least close to as equal of amount of attention relating to any school-related shooting.
• 2:41:07
  SPEAKER_35: However, when you get into the details of the story, you begin to see, nope, this is something that the media doesn't want to talk about.
• 2:41:13
  SPEAKER_35: This speaks directly to what I was mentioning a moment ago, conversations that we're not allowed to have.
• 2:41:19
  SPEAKER_35: Because those on the left would think that it could potentially be detrimental to their electoral goals.
• 2:41:28
  SPEAKER_35: But that just keeps us further away from addressing the root causes of why this is taking place.
• 2:41:33
  SPEAKER_35: So here is the Edina police chief Todd Milburn, audio posted from uh Alpha News, talking about what transpired and the issue of these Somali teens relating to this shooting at this Catholic school and church.
• 2:41:47
  SPEAKER_34: After this week's shooting at Our Lady of Grace, I know many people in Idina are feeling frustrated, angry, and frankly, afraid.
• 2:41:55
  SPEAKER_34: And I understand that.
• 2:41:57
  SPEAKER_34: When gunfire erupts in a place where young people are playing basketball and where families and community members gather is deeply concerning.
• 2:42:04
  SPEAKER_34: Thankfully, no one was injured.
• 2:42:07
  SPEAKER_34: But we cannot dismiss an incident like this simply because no one was hurt.
• 2:42:11
  SPEAKER_34: The city of Udina and police department are frustrated too.
• 2:42:15
  SPEAKER_34: We want answers, we want to identify the people responsible, and we want to prevent this from happening again.
• 2:42:21
  SPEAKER_34: For the second time in recent months, Somali teens and young adults have been the targets of or have had some level of responsibility for shootings in community gathering places.
• 2:42:31
  SPEAKER_34: At this point, we do not have enough information to say who the shooters are or why these young people were targeted.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_34: Our investigators are working tirelessly to answer those questions, and we are asking witnesses and anyone with information to help us identify the people responsible.
• 2:42:46
  SPEAKER_34: These incidents are consistent with the pattern of gang violence throughout the region.
• 2:42:49
  SPEAKER_34: Gun violence involving groups of young people is serious, and we are taking action.
• 2:42:54
  SPEAKER_34: The city's approach has three parts enforcement, engagement, and policy.
• 2:43:00
  SPEAKER_34: First, enforcement.
• 2:43:01
  SPEAKER_34: The police department has increased presence in Edinburgh, particularly during peak evening hours.
• 2:43:06
  SPEAKER_34: We're using officers working overtime, police cadets, and reserve officers to increase visibility.
• 2:43:12
  SPEAKER_34: We are also working closely with nearby agencies to provide mutual aid when additional police resources are needed.
• 2:43:18
  SPEAKER_34: You might see a patrol car from another city, in a park, or neighborhood.
• 2:43:23
  SPEAKER_34: We've also strategically placed temporary mobile cameras to support investigations and enhance public safety.
• 2:43:28
  SPEAKER_34: We have joined the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension's Violent Crime Reduction Unit and assigned one of our detectives to that effort.
• 2:43:35
  SPEAKER_34: Being part of that unit gives us 30 additional detectives who are collaborating on the ANSI Park and OLG cases and similar ones in the region.
• 2:43:44
  SPEAKER_34: And because the people involved in these incidents do not necessarily live or operate within one community or one city, we are sharing information and meeting regularly with our law enforcement partners.
• 2:43:55
  SPEAKER_34: Second, engagement.
• 2:43:57
  SPEAKER_34: Police cannot solve this problem alone.
• 2:43:59
  SPEAKER_34: The city and police department have been working with community leaders, families, youth organizations, and other partners to build relationships with young people and address concerns before they become public safety problems.
• 2:44:12
  SPEAKER_34: We will continue to do that.
• 2:44:14
  SPEAKER_34: Third, policy.
• 2:44:16
  SPEAKER_34: The city has made changes to its park ordinance, and we will continue working with our partners at county and state levels on policies that can help address gun violence and public safety throughout our community.
• 2:44:27
  SPEAKER_34: But we also recognize that this is bigger than E Dina.
• 2:44:30
  SPEAKER_34: Community, organizations, schools, families, and policymakers are all stakeholders.
• 2:44:36
  SPEAKER_34: So yes, we are doing more.
• 2:44:38
  SPEAKER_34: But I don't want to stand here and tell you that one measure will prevent the next shooting.
• 2:44:42
  SPEAKER_34: There is no single solution to this problem.
• 2:44:45
  SPEAKER_34: What I can tell you is that we are taking these incidents seriously.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_34: We are investigating them, we are increasing our presence, we are working with our regional partners, and we are continuing to look for ways to prevent another incident.
• 2:44:57
  SPEAKER_34: We are using every resource available and will not tolerate this behavior.
• 2:45:02
  SPEAKER_34: And we need your help.
• 2:45:04
  SPEAKER_34: If you witnessed either of these shootings, have video, or have information about people involved, please contact the Adina Police Department at 952-826-1600 or email.
• 2:45:16
  SPEAKER_35: And good and good on him for speaking the truth regarding what is going on.
• 2:45:22
  SPEAKER_35: Getting back to this piece from Alpha News regarding the per capita fraud, Hennepin County having the largest Somali population of any county in the country, 38,588 identifying as Somali in the 2020 census.
• 2:45:37
  SPEAKER_35: Congress has also examined the parallel with the Senate Judiciary Committee holding a February hearing titled Somali Fraud in Minnesota, so that we can add these conversations outside of uh Minnesota.
• 2:45:47
  SPEAKER_35: We just can't have them in Minnesota.
• 2:45:49
  SPEAKER_35: They said the Somali fraud in Minnesota is the tip of the iceberg.
• 2:45:53
  SPEAKER_35: Shuttered daycare received$870,000 in payments.
• 2:45:58
  SPEAKER_35: In this Treasury Department Financial Crimes Enforcement Network report, it highlights a suspected fraud case involving a Minnesota adult daycare reportedly registered to a shuttered storefront.
• 2:46:11
  SPEAKER_35: The financial institution flagged nearly$870,000 in payments from a state agency and private insurers administering the state health plans in the daycare.
• 2:46:22
  SPEAKER_35: The Minnesota Daycare was just one example contained in the FinCENS analysis of more than 5,700 Bank of Secrecy Act reports between March of 25 and February of 26.
• 2:46:36
  SPEAKER_35: The types of providers appearing most often in the analysis.
• 2:46:41
  SPEAKER_35: It also overlaps with the areas under scrutiny here in Minnesota.
• 2:46:48
  SPEAKER_35: Home health care was the most frequently identified provider type.
• 2:46:52
  SPEAKER_35: Another commonly flagged business includes hospice providers, mental and behavioral health providers, addiction treatment centers, medical equipment providers, and adult daycares.
• 2:47:03
  SPEAKER_35: In many cases, proceeds of suspected health care fraud were used for personal expenses, luxury goods, and some funds were sent internationally.
• 2:47:13
  SPEAKER_35: The findings come as Minnesota's Medicaid system is already facing intensifying investigations into fraud and questionable billing.
• 2:47:20
  SPEAKER_35: But the reason why the Democrats have done and the leftists have done all that they possibly can to go and undermine any ability to look at the background of individuals as a means to go and examine the fraud is for that very reason.
• 2:47:34
  SPEAKER_35: I saw a montage yesterday online of all of the faces of individuals that run the daycare centers.
• 2:47:41
  SPEAKER_35: And it's pretty clear that these are all individuals that would never ever typically go and run daycare centers.
• 2:47:48
  SPEAKER_35: And there's a commonality with all of it.
• 2:47:54
  SPEAKER_35: But again, you can't go and bring that up.
• 2:47:57
  SPEAKER_35: But if we ever intend to go and tackle the problem, I mean, first and foremost, we have to do something about the fraud, obviously.
• 2:48:02
  SPEAKER_35: We've talked about that a ton on the show.
• 2:48:04
  SPEAKER_35: You have to go and hold people accountable.
• 2:48:06
  SPEAKER_35: If you're not going and holding people accountable, then it's just going to continue.
• 2:48:09
  SPEAKER_35: And even when you do hold people accountable, even when you do have this dominating the headlines, the individuals, again, culturally have become so emboldened and brazen in their acts of fraud, a lot of them just assume that they're never going to go and get caught.
• 2:48:26
  SPEAKER_35: So the fraud continues.
• 2:48:29
  SPEAKER_35: And that's the other facet of making sure that you get into the cultural aspects to go and tackle the issue while you go and hold people accountable for their criminal behavior.
• 2:48:40
  SPEAKER_35: Mohammed L Shazli and Magda El Sagur told the state of Minnesota that they had$200 to their name and one car.
• 2:48:53
  SPEAKER_35: Investigators later found 17 vehicles registered to the couple,$2.2 million wired overseas, and$50,000 dropped at a single jewelry store.
• 2:49:11
  SPEAKER_35: Over seven years and continual recertifications, the Anoka County family collected more than 860,000 in medical assistance and food stamps.
• 2:49:22
  SPEAKER_35: All built on a lie that never should have worked.
• 2:49:33
  SPEAKER_35: But it is it is abundantly and continually fascinating.
• 2:49:42
  SPEAKER_35: How so many of these individuals that are involved in this fraud, and this is not new commentary, I'm just reminded of it once again.
• 2:49:51
  SPEAKER_35: So many individuals that are involved in this fraud and yet they have no qualms whatsoever of just going and blowing all their money on all of these unnecessary luxuries.
• 2:50:07
  SPEAKER_35: That's what I talk about, and that's what I mean when I say the mentality of individuals conducting this fraud.
• 2:50:13
  SPEAKER_35: They don't believe they're doing anything wrong.
• 2:50:17
  SPEAKER_35: And they have this uns insatiable desire to go and spend every single dollar trying to improve their life.
• 2:50:24
  SPEAKER_35: I believe that there's also a correlation here as we get into the psychology of this.
• 2:50:30
  SPEAKER_35: I'm not a psychologist, nor do I have a degree, but I play one as a talk show host in real life, and I'm gonna do that right now.
• 2:50:35
  SPEAKER_35: But the psychology surrounding this, too, is you can't help but speculate.
• 2:50:41
  SPEAKER_35: The individuals deep down inside in their subconscious know that they're doing something wrong.
• 2:50:46
  SPEAKER_35: So in order to go and justify their activity, they go and they purchase all of these unnecessary luxuries just to make themselves feel better in the midst of conducting their crime.
• 2:50:58
  SPEAKER_35: Or they just have this false sense of belief that this is what's gonna bring them joy.
• 2:51:02
  SPEAKER_35: 17 vehicles,$50,000 at a jewelry store.
• 2:51:08
  SPEAKER_35: Here's the part that's really gonna bother you, though, about this whole story.
• 2:51:12
  SPEAKER_35: They didn't even need to lie.
• 2:51:15
  SPEAKER_35: There was no point in lying.
• 2:51:17
  SPEAKER_35: Again, they told the state that they had$200 to their name in one car, but it turns out no.
• 2:51:23
  SPEAKER_35: They'd wired millions overseas, dropped tens of thousands of dollars on jewelry, bought a whole bunch of cars, but under Minnesota's own rules for SNAP, the supplemental nutrition assistance program, they could have told the truth about their fleet of vehicles and bank accounts and kept right on collecting the food stamp benefits.
• 2:51:45
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota doesn't restrict SNAP benefits to the needy.
• 2:51:52
  SPEAKER_35: We're chumps when we argue about the individuals in grocery store lines who are using Snap benefits to go and buy sugary drinks and candy.
• 2:52:09
  SPEAKER_35: When here in Minnesota, that's nothing.
• 2:52:12
  SPEAKER_35: You can use your snap benefits to buy whatever you want.
• 2:52:17
  SPEAKER_35: There's no there's no restrictions.
• 2:52:18
  SPEAKER_35: A millionaire with a garage full of Lamborghinis can qualify for food stamps in the state legally.
• 2:52:26
  SPEAKER_35: It's uh the leftist that did this, by the way.
• 2:52:28
  SPEAKER_35: I just want to point that out.
• 2:52:30
  SPEAKER_35: The Anoka County couple didn't slip through a crack in the system.
• 2:52:34
  SPEAKER_35: They walked right through the door that was left wide open.
• 2:52:37
  SPEAKER_35: It's not an isolated glitch, it's a pattern working off the Alpha News story.
• 2:52:43
  SPEAKER_35: Every time Washington and St.
• 2:52:44
  SPEAKER_35: Paul have expanded SNAP in a hurry, oversight has left has been left behind to catch up on its own time.
• 2:52:53
  SPEAKER_35: The result is a program that has ballooned to roughly$38 billion a year in 2008 and roughly 100 billion by the end of 2024.
• 2:53:06
  SPEAKER_35: This goes back to the Obama administration.
• 2:53:08
  SPEAKER_35: In the years following the Great Recession, SNAP participation jumped nearly 60% nationally.
• 2:53:14
  SPEAKER_35: Costs rose, 90% COVID hit, and it happened all over again.
• 2:53:20
  SPEAKER_35: SNAP benefits are funded entirely by federal taxpayers, but administered by the states.
• 2:53:26
  SPEAKER_35: In Minnesota's case, by the counties.
• 2:53:31
  SPEAKER_35: That arrangement means that people spending money aren't the ones paying for it.
• 2:53:35
  SPEAKER_35: And Minnesota's own numbers show what happens next.
• 2:53:38
  SPEAKER_35: Our payment error rate has doubled since the Great Recession.
• 2:53:42
  SPEAKER_35: To nearly 80% of those errors are overpayments, not underpayments.
• 2:53:47
  SPEAKER_35: Not paperwork typos in the state's favor, but money going out the door that shouldn't be going out the door.
• 2:53:59
  SPEAKER_35: To deal with the sky high error rates nationwide, Congress has changed the law last year to require states with error rates of six percent or higher to start sharing the cost of SNAP benefits instead of sending taxpayers the bill.
• 2:54:14
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota's error rate clears that bar easily.
• 2:54:19
  SPEAKER_35: And what's more, it's gotten much worse, 40% higher in the past year.
• 2:54:24
  SPEAKER_35: Even with the state leaders knowing that a bill was coming due if we didn't get our house in order.
• 2:54:31
  SPEAKER_35: The results is that Minnesota taxpayers now need to fund$130 million in new state spending that will start next year.
• 2:54:42
  SPEAKER_35: Now I'm speaking in broad generalities.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_35: I want to play this uh blast that just rolled up, just rolled in.
• 2:54:47
  SPEAKER_35: This agrees with me a little bit on the mentality of the individuals, right?
• 2:54:51
  SPEAKER_35: So let me go ahead and share their thoughts and then I'll share my uh comments.
• 2:54:54
  SPEAKER_35: You can still get your blasts in, by the way.
• 2:54:56
  SPEAKER_35: 651-964-0294 as we work towards the end of the show for a Tuesday.
• 2:55:02
  SPEAKER_32: Good morning, John Ethic here.
• 2:55:04
  SPEAKER_32: I know it's a little late, but I have to disagree with you.
• 2:55:07
  SPEAKER_32: I don't think that these people don't think they're doing anything wrong.
• 2:55:11
  SPEAKER_32: I think they know 100% that what they're doing is wrong.
• 2:55:16
  SPEAKER_33: But they don't care.
• 2:55:17
  SPEAKER_33: And they don't think it's ever gonna end.
• 2:55:20
  SPEAKER_33: Because who's been looking into them?
• 2:55:22
  SPEAKER_33: Nobody.
• 2:55:23
  SPEAKER_33: Nobody's been looking at them.
• 2:55:24
  SPEAKER_33: So why would they think that their scheme is gonna end anytime soon?
• 2:55:28
  SPEAKER_33: I don't care.
• 2:55:29
  SPEAKER_33: That's why they spend all their money on privileged BS and crappy cars.
• 2:55:34
  SPEAKER_35: So I I don't want to split hairs here.
• 2:55:37
  SPEAKER_35: Let me just let me break this down a little bit.
• 2:55:39
  SPEAKER_35: I there's I I think we're both right, and I think we're both wrong.
• 2:55:43
  SPEAKER_35: This gets into the conversation of the cultural issue that we can't have at the national level.
• 2:55:50
  SPEAKER_35: But I think for a lot of these individuals, there may be a sense that they know what they're doing is wrong, but they've gone and they've justified it in their minds because they've been told all the way.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_35: To justify it.
• 2:56:02
  SPEAKER_35: They've been told by the leftist leadership that they're the victims in all of this.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_35: They've been told by the leftists that, oh, you know, one, it's because you happen to live in an impoverished country that you should be allowed to come into the United States and go and take advantage of this incredibly open, low barrier to entry service industry.
• 2:56:31
  SPEAKER_35: And that, you know, it's not your fault that you have to go and commit essentially crimes and commit this fraud, but you're deserving of it.
• 2:56:41
  SPEAKER_35: I think there's nuance to this.
• 2:56:44
  SPEAKER_35: There's an aspect where they know it's wrong, but they've been told how to go and justify it in their in their minds.
• 2:56:54
  SPEAKER_35: Back in 2007, Minnesota adopted a policy called the broad-based categorical eligibility, the BBCE.
• 2:57:02
  SPEAKER_35: It's a loophole that lets states waive snaps federal income and asset uh limits.
• 2:57:09
  SPEAKER_35: And it's the reason a household can own a small fleet of luxury cars and still qualify for benefits.
• 2:57:14
  SPEAKER_35: Fixing this problem, and this is an editorial written by Zach of Freemark, he serves as the executive director of the America First here here in Minnesota.
• 2:57:22
  SPEAKER_35: Also, Matthew Schmid serves as the public affairs director of rural America and security at the America First Policy Institute.
• 2:57:30
  SPEAKER_35: Fixing this problem, they write, does not mean taking away food from families who genuinely need help.
• 2:57:36
  SPEAKER_35: Closing the BBCE loophole will not reduce monthly SNAP benefit payment amounts for those who qualify under the federal uh tax rules.
• 2:57:47
  SPEAKER_35: The problem isn't the existence of a safety net, it's a set of policy choices that told SNAP case workers to stop asking basic questions about whether applicants actually need assistance.
• 2:57:58
  SPEAKER_35: And this plays directly into what I was talking about before.
• 2:58:01
  SPEAKER_35: It's by extension what I mentioned in the justification that individuals and a lot of individuals who have immigrated to this country legally have been told is their justification for taking advantage of Minnesota and conducting these acts of fraud within these taxpayer-funded medical and transportation services.
• 2:58:25
  SPEAKER_35: Basically, we're not gonna ask.
• 2:58:27
  SPEAKER_35: Don't ask, don't tell.
• 2:58:29
  SPEAKER_35: You've lived a hard life, you are deserving to live a good life, and you taking money via this redistribution of wealth program, doing nothing with my fingers, which is just fraud.
• 2:58:41
  SPEAKER_35: It's a redistribution of wealth.
• 2:58:43
  SPEAKER_35: Don't feel bad.
• 2:58:44
  SPEAKER_35: And for a while it was good, to the tune of nine to ten to twelve billion dollars, but it was never sustainable.
• 2:58:54
  SPEAKER_35: And you need no further proof that all this played out than the fact that Governor Jim Walls decided he wasn't gonna run for election.
• 2:59:02
  SPEAKER_35: Nobody ever points this out, by the way.
• 2:59:06
  SPEAKER_35: Right?
• 2:59:06
  SPEAKER_35: Everybody knows that there's fraud.
• 2:59:08
  SPEAKER_35: The left will try to go and downplay the fraud and the numbers and say, well, when you're talking about the number of individuals that have actually been convicted, then it's not quite as much fraud, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 2:59:19
  SPEAKER_35: Nah, it's all it's all BS.
• 2:59:23
  SPEAKER_35: The whole reason why Governor Dimwalls did not run and dropped out of a historic third run is because even the leftists know the truth.
• 2:59:34
  SPEAKER_35: They enabled all of this.
• 2:59:37
  SPEAKER_35: He just happened to be the fall guy.
• 2:59:40
  SPEAKER_35: Getting back to the problem of the safety net's existence, that's not the issue.
• 2:59:43
  SPEAKER_35: The issue is caseworkers were told not to ask basic questions.
• 2:59:47
  SPEAKER_35: The same thing that happened when it came to the increase in funding requests coming from all these fraudulent companies that were billing for services that they never provided.
• 2:59:57
  SPEAKER_35: A program with safeguards removed is not only irresponsible, it undermines social trust that undergirds American generosity.
• 3:00:04
  SPEAKER_35: SNAP in Minnesota is designed to be gamed, and state leaders should take their responsibility to protect the program, the public's trust seriously.
• 3:00:13
  SPEAKER_35: Instead, they're hiding the ball from federal oversight.
• 3:00:16
  SPEAKER_35: And it's not just SNAP.
• 3:00:19
  SPEAKER_35: All of these programs that are funded by taxpayer dollars for these medical services and transportations are all designed, were all designed by the left to be gained.
• 3:00:33
  SPEAKER_35: Every dollar that goes to a household with 17 vehicles and a Rolex habit is a dollar that isn't going to a mom trying to feed her kids.
• 3:00:44
  SPEAKER_35: It's a dollar that isn't paying your paycheck either.
• 3:00:47
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesotans deserve a SNAP program.
• 3:00:49
  SPEAKER_35: And basically, all the programs, I'm gonna take their editorial and just spread it to all the social welfare programs that work for the people who actually need it and not the ones that quietly reward people who game it.
• 3:01:01
  SPEAKER_35: And just look at those 14 programs that all got canceled because they were all fraudulent across the board.
• 3:01:08
  SPEAKER_35: At the very beginning of when this fraud took place, and this is the example of these 14 programs being shut down.
• 3:01:14
  SPEAKER_35: I questioned the need for a majority of these programs in the first place.
• 3:01:19
  SPEAKER_35: Once you find out they're all fraudulent and you strip them away, you're gonna end up finding out that you know what, there's not a need out there, and it certainly isn't a big enough need to warrant the amount of money, the millions upon millions of dollars that are being funneled to them via taxpayer dollars.
• 3:01:37
  SPEAKER_35: They end the piece with Minnesota built this loophole in 2007.
• 3:01:41
  SPEAKER_35: Nothing requires the state to keep it.
• 3:01:43
  SPEAKER_35: Tomorrow on the show, I didn't get a chance to get to it today, we will get it, because it falls in line with this uh story as well.
• 3:01:49
  SPEAKER_35: I have a ridiculous editorial of Rochelle Rochelle Olsen out of the Star Tribune concerned that depending on the outcome of the election, that there may have to be a trimming or a changing of paid family medical leave.
• 3:02:04
  SPEAKER_35: She tries to make the argument that, oh, for victims of violence, though, we can't have the program change.
• 3:02:11
  SPEAKER_35: She just cherry picks one particular demographic that could take advantage of it.
• 3:02:16
  SPEAKER_35: That's all that it is.
• 3:02:17
  SPEAKER_35: But the one story regarding what we're just talking about when it comes to the fraud and the SNAP benefits, there's an editorial in the Minnesota Reformer this morning.
• 3:02:26
  SPEAKER_35: Minnesota school meals program should make room for kids with plant-based diets.
• 3:02:32
  SPEAKER_35: So, in the wake of finding out that there were 450 million meals served with no audit whatsoever of what I believe is going to be shown to be another fraudulent program in the scam of a free meals program.
• 3:02:47
  SPEAKER_35: Governor Dim Walls is out there touting, look at all the children that we fed, without examining just how much of that food was actually thrown away.
• 3:02:55
  SPEAKER_35: You get idiots putting forward editorials saying that we ought to be creating plant-based vegan diets through the free school meals program.
• 3:03:06
  SPEAKER_35: In the article, I'll give you a bit of a preview and we'll talk about it at length on Wednesday show.
• 3:03:11
  SPEAKER_35: When they get to the cost part of it, they just blow right past it.
• 3:03:16
  SPEAKER_35: No demographic numbers, no percentages accounting for the number of students that would actually want to take advantage of the program, no consideration whatsoever of using the existing free school meal food and basically just adjusting it for students who have plant-based diets, which I'm pretty sure is probably already happening.
• 3:03:37
  SPEAKER_35: Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 3:03:38
  SPEAKER_35: The cost doesn't matter.
• 3:03:40
  SPEAKER_35: Just implement the program regardless of the cost and give students, regardless of how small of a fraction of those students and what they might be, just pump millions of more into it so that we can waste vegan food on top of the regular edible, calorie-filled, sugary-processed garbage and crap that they're already feeding the kids.
• 3:04:04
  SPEAKER_35: You know, we should just grab that and just trim it, and we'll just use that as my commentary tomorrow on the on the show.
• 3:04:11
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• 3:04:14
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• 3:05:37
  SPEAKER_35: I hope you have yourself a fantastic uh Tuesday, and I will talk to you guys tomorrow morning starting at 6 a.m.
• 3:05:43
  SPEAKER_35: God bless and make it a great one.
• 3:05:45
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