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Patriots Catch-22 9/26: 3 Up/Down vs. Jets, Matchups to Watch Against the 49ers · Patriots Catch-22

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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Bart.
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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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Speaker 2: Part of me feels like they just want to put
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Speaker 2: a bunch of cool shun film and just like see
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Speaker 1: I got in trouble for saying that when I was
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Speaker 1: a kid, So my mind is a swear?
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Speaker 2: Parent? That's soft. My parents are strict. That's soft. Hello everybody,
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Speaker 2: it's Evan Lazarre, It's Alex Bart. Patriots Catch twenty two.
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Speaker 2: Uh with you here for the next couple of hours
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Speaker 2: talking Patriots. I feel like I haven't talked at all
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Speaker 2: about the San Francisco forty niners, which you know is
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Speaker 2: incredibly disappointing.
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Speaker 1: Well, no, because you don't have to talk about that
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Speaker 1: game from last week.
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Speaker 2: We still have to talk about the game from last week.
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Speaker 2: But I haven't really said one thing about Kyle Shanahan
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Speaker 2: and his forty nine ers, which you know, are basically
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Speaker 2: my second team at this point.
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Speaker 1: I honestly haven't said much about them this week either, which,
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Speaker 1: as you know, is a topic that I enjoy talking
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Speaker 1: about for different reasons.
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Speaker 2: So we'll get to that at some point today. But
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Speaker 2: we have some stuff to talk about from last week,
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Speaker 2: and we'll get to that as well. I know, it's
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Speaker 2: been a week. It's kind of weird to go all
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Speaker 2: the way back to last Thursday night, but it's our
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Speaker 2: first show since that game, and there's a lot to
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Speaker 2: talk about from that game and stuff that I've said
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Speaker 2: on on the X Machine that got me into, you know,
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Speaker 2: poked the beehive a little bit. But we'll talk about
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Speaker 2: here's where I wanted to start. I don't I don't
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Speaker 2: want to make this two hours of me screaming into
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Speaker 2: a void to start Drake May. I don't want to
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Speaker 2: make it that. So I'm gonna try my best not
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Speaker 2: to make it that. I can't make any promises, but
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try my best not to make it that.
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Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I look at with this Patriots
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Speaker 2: offense and with this Patriots team right now is a
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Speaker 2: general feeling of disappointment. I would say not in the
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Speaker 2: fact that they're not three and ohero in Super Bowl contenders.
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Speaker 2: We all are realistic about where they are right now,
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Speaker 2: but I look at where they are offensively, and my
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Speaker 2: frustrations with them offensively have morphed a little bit beyond
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Speaker 2: just blaming everything on the offensive line. The offensive line
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Speaker 2: is bad. We know the offensive line is an issue.
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Speaker 2: They are deficient personnel wise on the offensive line. Alex,
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Speaker 2: you and I have been out at practice the last
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Speaker 2: couple of days in the short time frame that they
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Speaker 2: allow us to watch practice, and it looks like Trey
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Speaker 2: Jacobs could be the left tackle this week for the
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Speaker 2: Patriots against San Francisco and Nick Bosa and the forty
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Speaker 2: nine ers. It's not a good situation. No period, full stop,
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Speaker 2: not a good situation. With that being said, coordinators quarterbacks
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Speaker 2: that coordinators and quarterbacks that are doing their jobs at
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Speaker 2: a high level can find ways to be productive offensively
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Speaker 2: around deficiencies. Whether it's a lack of weapons, it's a
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Speaker 2: lack of offensive line, it's a lack of you know,
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Speaker 2: there's injuries all over the place. And I'll give you
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Speaker 2: one example. I was watching a lot of the Rams
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Speaker 2: tape last week against the forty nine ers. Matthew Stafford
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Speaker 2: is throwing to two at well and Jordan Whittington, who
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Speaker 2: we both kind of liked in the draft.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I see where you're going with it. Go ahead,
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Speaker 1: I see you're going with this.
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Speaker 2: And because he has an elite play caller and Sean
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Speaker 2: McVay one of the best in the game, and Matthew
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Speaker 2: Stafford is a very good quarterback, they were still able
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Speaker 2: to score twenty seven points and stun the forty nine
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Speaker 2: ers for all intents and purposes. So my point being,
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Speaker 2: and I want to unpack this as we do on
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Speaker 2: this show. It's not I don't want to be two
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Speaker 2: service level about it by any means. My point being
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Speaker 2: is is that I'm now at the point with this
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Speaker 2: whole thing that the quarterback and the offense and the
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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Alex van Pelt, these two guys need to
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Speaker 2: come together and find a way to move the ball.
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Speaker 2: It's it's really that simple. And I'm not asking them
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Speaker 2: to be the seven Patriots, right, but you can't have
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Speaker 2: games like you had against the Jets last week where
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Speaker 2: you are melting down offensively. You have to be able
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Speaker 2: to find ways to move the football. I want to
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Speaker 2: let you chime in, and then I want to unpack
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Speaker 2: that even further.
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Speaker 1: So on the personnel thing, we're if I'm understanding you right,
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Speaker 1: basically saying, oh, they have all these injuries, they can't
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Speaker 1: do what they want to do offensively as a full excuse.
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Speaker 2: And it's not it's not even injuries like they weren't
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Speaker 2: gonna be good on the line no matter what.
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Speaker 1: Well Well, so that that's more my point to two
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Speaker 1: at Well and Jordan Whittington or NFL players, they're there,
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Speaker 1: may be are.
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Speaker 2: Too too, are too too at Well and Jordan Walling.
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Speaker 2: Sorry to cut you off, but are to two at
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Speaker 2: Well and Jordan and Whittington NFL players anymore than to
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Speaker 2: Mario Douglas and Jalen Polker NFL players.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm saying compared to like Tray Jacobs and right.
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Speaker 2: But they're not playing the same position right like I
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Speaker 2: look at to two at well. Okay, So I misunderstood
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Speaker 2: your take.
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Speaker 1: I thought you were just saying that, you like, there
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Speaker 1: are teams that don't have their starters that are still
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Speaker 1: figuring out ways to do things offensively. I am in reference, Okay,
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Speaker 1: But I would say the problem isn't the Patriots receivers
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Speaker 1: at this point, at least not mainly. The problem is
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Speaker 1: the offensive line, and they don't have a two to
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Speaker 1: two at Well equivalent.
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Speaker 2: They don't.
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Speaker 1: I guess Cayden Wallace would be their Jordan Whittington equivalent,
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Speaker 1: but they're putting him out of a position. I would relate
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Speaker 1: it more to if the Rams are trying to play
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Speaker 1: Jordan Whittington, it's tight end or at running back. So
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Speaker 1: that a little bit. You know how I feel about
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Speaker 1: right to left I feel.
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Speaker 2: But the point being like.
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Speaker 1: This to me goes back to Elliott Wolf In the
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Speaker 1: off season. They were not prepared to go through a
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Speaker 1: full season in terms of the offensive lineman they had
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Speaker 1: on the roster. They were not prepared for full offensive season,
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Speaker 1: and how many times did I say this, It's not
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Speaker 1: just the bat the starters were concerned about. The depth
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Speaker 1: is as much, if not more, of a question because
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Speaker 1: guys are going to get hurt.
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Speaker 2: You don't root for it.
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Speaker 1: But it's incredibly unrealistic to expect the same starting five
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Speaker 1: linemen to all play seventeen games over the course of
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Speaker 1: the season. I think we both agree on that. So
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Speaker 1: to me, it's look, the coaching staff still need to
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Speaker 1: figure out a way to make it work.
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Speaker 2: That's their job.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're wrong, but to me, it's more
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Speaker 1: of a reflection on Elliott Wolf in the front office that.
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Speaker 2: They're four weeks in.
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Speaker 1: It's not like the depth's been tested that much, and
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Speaker 1: already we're talking about a guy that was claimed off
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Speaker 1: waivers a month ago, who made his NFL debut last week,
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Speaker 1: maybe having to go up against one of the best
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Speaker 1: pass rushers in the league.
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Speaker 2: We're both right. We're both right because from a big
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Speaker 2: picture standpoint, you are one hundred percent right that this
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Speaker 2: is a personnel issue. My point is more so about
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Speaker 2: the fact that here you are, like the seasons, you're
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Speaker 2: in season at this point and we can go and
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Speaker 2: we can you know, we had a caller on pu Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we can revisit the draft, we can revisit how they
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Speaker 2: approach tackle in the offseason. We can talk and point
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Speaker 2: the finger at Elliott Wolf as you're totally justified to do.
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Speaker 2: But the point being is is that when I look
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Speaker 2: at it from an exus a nose perspective, now you're
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Speaker 2: in season, and as much as we're gonna excuse Alex
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Speaker 2: van Pelt that they're not going to average thirty points
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Speaker 2: a game, it needs to be better than it has.
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Speaker 2: It needs to be better than it has been.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not fully saying the coaches are off the hook,
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Speaker 1: like this is their job. Make it work what you have,
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Speaker 1: you know, I think some of it relates to, like
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Speaker 1: this conversation is being had with the Red Sox right
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Speaker 1: now in Alex Cora, what he has versus what he's
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Speaker 1: done with it. I just I do think the personnel,
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Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line, does put a ceiling on
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Speaker 1: what the expectations are. They can be better. There's what
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Speaker 1: they've been this year. They can certainly be better than
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Speaker 1: what they were Thursday night. That to me was coaching
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Speaker 1: that team was not ready to play against the New
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Speaker 1: York Jets. That to me is coaching. But to say, like, well,
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Speaker 1: the Rams are making it work and they have injuries,
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Speaker 1: it's a little bit different.
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Speaker 2: I don't feel it's that different. But we don't have
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Speaker 2: to get bogged down in the semantics of that. My
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Speaker 2: main point being is like, I hear what you're saying
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Speaker 2: about the personnel. I just we're in Week four of
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Speaker 2: the NFL season. Joe Thomas or whatever left tackle, Like
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Speaker 2: I know, I always go to Joe Thomas because he's
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Speaker 2: the pinnacle, but like the Trent Brown isn't even walking
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Speaker 2: through that door, right, So like at this point to
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Speaker 2: continue to harp on the personnel, to me is just yes,
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Speaker 2: we're right.
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Speaker 1: But where that's where you're gonna hear me say this
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Speaker 1: a lot today. The offensive line is not gonna get
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Speaker 1: not gonna be good this year because they don't have
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Speaker 1: the personal off the line, But that's sort of that's
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Speaker 1: not gonna change this year, but it can be better
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Speaker 1: than it's been. And that to me is where you
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Speaker 1: go to the coaching. It's not gonna be good, but
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Speaker 1: it can be better than it's been. And some of
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Speaker 1: that is personnel and some of that is scheme and
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Speaker 1: we can get in the different ways they can get there,
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Speaker 1: but it can be better. And now it's on the
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Speaker 1: coaching staff, especially as guys start getting healthy and it
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Speaker 1: looks like, you know, City So is back at practice
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Speaker 1: today and Kayden Wallace and Darian Lower out there. I
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Speaker 1: don't know how much they're participating, but they're out there
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Speaker 1: as guys get healthy. That to me is where it
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Speaker 1: becomes more about the coaching staff to maximize the group
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Speaker 1: you have, even.
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Speaker 2: If you can only be maximized so much. So I
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Speaker 2: want to talk about Van Pelt, and I want to
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Speaker 2: talk about to Kobe and the quarterback separately and bring
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Speaker 2: this all together. So with Van Pelt, my biggest gripes
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Speaker 2: right now with Van Pelt are number one. It it
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Speaker 2: feels to me right now based off of three games,
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Speaker 2: which I granted is not the biggest sample size, but
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Speaker 2: we're starting to get up there where three four games
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Speaker 2: is about what you would watch of an opponent to
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Speaker 2: get to know their tendencies and some of their base
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Speaker 2: concepts and like things like that, you know, what are
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Speaker 2: they trying to do offensively? The biggest thing that I
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Speaker 2: see with Van Pelt right now is that I believe
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Speaker 2: he's a good play designer. I don't believe he's a
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Speaker 2: good play caller. And those are two different skills. And
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Speaker 2: it's pretty understandable because as an offensive coordinator with the
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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, but the head coach is the play caller,
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Speaker 2: all you're really doing is cooking up stuff in the lab.
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Speaker 2: Right like that, you are probably gonna be predominantly designing plays.
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Speaker 2: That that's gonna be most of your job. They have
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Speaker 2: some cool play designs, you know, they have some cool
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Speaker 2: things going on in terms of their design of their offense.
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Speaker 2: The issue is is that there is a little bit
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Speaker 2: going on of whether or not it fits the personnel.
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Speaker 2: I do believe that that exists to Tad, But my
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Speaker 2: bigger concern about what they're doing offensively is that it's
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Speaker 2: getting Remember with the Patricia year, we talked about a
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Speaker 2: lot about the Madden offense, and he's just kind of
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Speaker 2: picking plays out of a hat. We're getting a little
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Speaker 2: bit into Madden offense territory with Alex van Pelt, where
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Speaker 2: it just feels like one play we're under center, one
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Speaker 2: play we're empty. Now we're in the gun. Now we're
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Speaker 2: in three by one now we're in two by two.
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Speaker 2: Now we are under center again, and none of it
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Speaker 2: really seems to be marrying up together. And my guess
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Speaker 2: is that he's probably just trying to throw s against
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Speaker 2: almost did it again, throw s against the wall and
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Speaker 2: see what sticks. Right, That could be an element of it,
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Speaker 2: because they just haven't been able to do anything particularly consistently.
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Speaker 2: But in general, you look at these teams that run
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Speaker 2: this type of offense that are a run first, run action,
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Speaker 2: play action off of it, West Coast third down team,
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Speaker 2: just like the Patriots. We're gonna see one on Sunday
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Speaker 2: that's gonna do it a lot better. Right in the
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers, they come into the game and they
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Speaker 2: have a plan of how they want to run the football.
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Speaker 2: They say, we're either gonna this week's an outside zone week,
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Speaker 2: this week's a gap week. That's how we're gonna run
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Speaker 2: the ball. Once we establish how we're gonna run the ball,
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Speaker 2: now let's put into the install our play action passes
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Speaker 2: off of that running game. And what I see with
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Speaker 2: Van Pelt is that you get into the game and
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Speaker 2: he's play actioning before he's setting it up. So you're
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Speaker 2: getting in and if we're gonna talk about him anyways.
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Speaker 2: I'll just talk about him with Kyle Shanahan. Shanahan has
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Speaker 2: usually a number of runs that he tries to get
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Speaker 2: to in a game. It is around thirty to thirty five.
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Speaker 1: As soon as he hits that number, he never runs
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Speaker 1: the ball.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll get there. He has thirty to thirty five
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Speaker 2: runs a game right that he tries to get to.
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Speaker 2: Then all of his play action passes are then married
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Speaker 2: off of that, so it's stretch runs, stretcher, stretch run,
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Speaker 2: boot stretcher run, Stretch run, stretch run, boot right, and
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Speaker 2: we sequence these things together with Van Pelt, it feels
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Speaker 2: like they are not building up to it in game
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Speaker 2: to be able to do that type of thing. The
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Speaker 2: other thing I would just say, and I thought he
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Speaker 2: mentioned it today, which I found interesting because it's like
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Speaker 2: he's communicating it in front of us and saying what
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Speaker 2: I want to hear him say. But I don't necessarily
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Speaker 2: think this presents itself. On Sunday, he's running all wide
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Speaker 2: zone play action concepts when sometimes they're not running wide
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Speaker 2: zone right. So like if you're if you're showing a
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Speaker 2: team duo or you're showing a team gap. You can't
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Speaker 2: then run gap, play gap, play gap, play bootleg like that.
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Speaker 2: Those things don't marry up together. If you're gonna run
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Speaker 2: gap or duo, which is just double teams on the inside,
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Speaker 2: move the line of scrimmage, and then you're gonna play
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Speaker 2: play action off of that, then you need to run
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Speaker 2: play action like the old Patriots used to run play
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Speaker 2: action right, like hit the second level of the defense,
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Speaker 2: crossing routes, you know, bang eights like things like that,
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Speaker 2: seam routes, like that's how you want to run those plays.
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Speaker 2: You want to get those linebackers up on those double
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Speaker 2: teams and throw it right past their ears, like that's
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Speaker 2: how you want to run it. You don't want to
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Speaker 2: duo duo duo, and then all of a sudden we're
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Speaker 2: running postcross down the field. That doesn't marry it doesn't
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Speaker 2: line up. So if Vanpeld install your runs makes and
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Speaker 2: install the pay action passes that marry off the runs,
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Speaker 2: it just seems to me right now, like it's a
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Speaker 2: Schmorgasbori of nothingness, Like it's all just a kind of
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Speaker 2: out there. The last thing I just want to say,
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Speaker 2: and then we can segue into Prisett because it connects
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Speaker 2: the Van Pelt offense. Yep, And I asked him about
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Speaker 2: this today. Teams they have a very high under center
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Speaker 2: rush rate on first down right now.
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Speaker 1: They have a pretty high under center rate in general.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, but it's first down rush. They're fifty percent
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Speaker 2: of the time they're running the ball from under center
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Speaker 2: on first down. It's one of the highest rates in
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Speaker 2: the league. When they when they're to have that tendency,
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Speaker 2: teams at this point are just blitzing. They're just setting
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Speaker 2: the house at the line of scrimmage because they're expecting
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Speaker 2: run or even play action off of that, and it
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Speaker 2: still works even if it is play action. So they're
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Speaker 2: just setting the house. They're blitzing. Guys. They have the
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Speaker 2: Patriots have to have the ability at the line of scrimmage, like,
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Speaker 2: what's our plan for handling this? It's it goes back
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Speaker 2: to something that Brady said, I thought was one of
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Speaker 2: the best pieces of commentary he's offered. Brady said that
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Speaker 2: a big part of his week was making sure that
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Speaker 2: they were snapping the ball into a defense that the
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Speaker 2: play was gonna work against. He never wanted to run
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Speaker 2: a bad play. Right now, the Patriots are running a
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Speaker 2: lot of bad plays where they get to the line
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Speaker 2: of scrimmage, they have a play call in the huddled. Well,
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Speaker 2: when the safety starts rolling down like he's gonna blitz
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Speaker 2: off the edge, you can't just snap the ball and
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Speaker 2: run that play action play into the teeth of the
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Speaker 2: defense because it's not gonna get off and that's exactly
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Speaker 2: what happens. It's not gonna work. So running the play
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Speaker 2: action in the run game together and then having a
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Speaker 2: plan of this is how we are going to handle
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Speaker 2: certain pressures and certain looks that the defense gives us.
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Speaker 2: That type of stuff goes a long way to helping
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Speaker 2: the offensive line. So when you have it, it's not
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Speaker 2: all just about let's just call bubble screens in quick
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Speaker 2: game to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands.
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Speaker 2: It's also about having a plan of how are we
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Speaker 2: going to block this when this is what they're sending
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Speaker 2: us right and right now. I don't feel like they
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Speaker 2: have much of a plan. I know, I'm with you,
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Speaker 2: and some of that may just be continuity.
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Speaker 1: It's hard to come up with a plan when they're
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Speaker 1: gonna have their fourth different starting offensive line in four games.
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Speaker 1: I would expect on Thursday and on Sunday afternoon. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm with you on a lot of that. I just
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Speaker 1: the sequencing isn't necessarily there. The individual it's all very
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Speaker 1: individual play calling. And you go back to the start
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Speaker 1: of that Jets game where they come right out with
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Speaker 1: play action, the Jets don't respect it, and Van Pelt
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Speaker 1: comes out the next day and basically admits, yeah, we
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Speaker 1: we were running the ball well the last two games,
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Speaker 1: so we thought we'd hit him with play action, but
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Speaker 1: you haven't run it well against the Jets, right, he
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Speaker 1: needs to show that to the Jets that doesn't apply.
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Speaker 1: And maybe he's learning on the fly here, maybe he's
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Speaker 1: learning in real time and we'll see if he adjusts
17:23
Speaker 1: this week. But yeah, some of the play calling has
17:26
Speaker 1: definitely seemed out of place.
17:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the biggest thing to me is getting
17:32
Speaker 2: that cleaned up. If you are gonna you're gonna have
17:36
Speaker 2: some one on one losses on the offensive line because
17:38
Speaker 2: you just don't have very good tackles, especially right now
17:42
Speaker 2: and left tackle particular, So you're you're gonna have some
17:46
Speaker 2: losses like Nick Bosa is gonna get home sometimes against
17:49
Speaker 2: Trey Jacobs and Caden Wallace, wherever is out there. Your
17:52
Speaker 2: first third down of the game against the Jets, they
17:55
Speaker 2: have a free runner through the B gap, right, Like
17:56
Speaker 2: those types of plays are avoidable, Like, that's not oh,
18:00
Speaker 2: we have like a backup guard playing right now. So
18:03
Speaker 2: he got beat by quinnin Williams. That's a avoidable mental error.
18:08
Speaker 2: And if they can get to the point where they're
18:10
Speaker 2: only errors, or if they are only breakdowns or just
18:13
Speaker 2: physical breakdowns, then at least they're gonna have some semblance
18:16
Speaker 2: of an offense at that point, right, So that that's
18:19
Speaker 2: where I'm at with that with Perset. I'm getting to
18:23
Speaker 2: the point with Persett where a lot of you know,
18:28
Speaker 2: the narrative coming in or the conversation coming in with
18:31
Speaker 2: Perset was that he was going to be a game
18:34
Speaker 2: manager for the Patriots, net neutral quarterback, whatever you want
18:38
Speaker 2: to call it. Game manager. He to me, is not
18:43
Speaker 2: checking those boxes off right now, you can there's more
18:46
Speaker 2: to being a game manager than just not turning the
18:48
Speaker 2: ball over, Like that's the That's just one on the
18:53
Speaker 2: list of what I would say are four items to
18:55
Speaker 2: game manager.
18:56
Speaker 1: Do you think they see it that way?
18:57
Speaker 2: Doesn't sound like it, which is frustrating to me. A
19:01
Speaker 2: little bit. It sounds to me like I'm with you.
19:03
Speaker 1: I think that their chief concern first and foremost is
19:06
Speaker 1: don't turn the ball over, and and I agree that
19:08
Speaker 1: that's high on the list. It's just not the only
19:11
Speaker 1: thing on the list. So to me, game managing is
19:14
Speaker 1: there's four elements to it. Not turning the ball over
19:17
Speaker 1: as one. Getting the team into the right play at
19:20
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmages too. If you're not gonna win physically,
19:23
Speaker 1: you have to win for me mentally, like you just
19:25
Speaker 1: there's no way I can have those two things go
19:27
Speaker 1: hand in hand. Number three, hit the layups in the offense.
19:32
Speaker 1: When Austin Hooper is wide open off they finally block
19:37
Speaker 1: up a play action play and get a receiver open
19:40
Speaker 1: down the field on play action.
19:42
Speaker 2: I need the quarterback to make that throw. He's got
19:45
Speaker 2: to hit that throw. Make the layups presented to you
19:47
Speaker 2: by the offense. The last thing is is that the timing.
19:51
Speaker 2: To me, you have to be sharp in terms of
19:53
Speaker 2: your timing within the framework of the offense. I'm not
19:56
Speaker 2: asking you to go make plays. I'm not asking Jacob
19:59
Speaker 2: Brissett to run around like he's Josh Allen and throw
20:02
Speaker 2: off his back foot and make ridiculous throws all over
20:04
Speaker 2: the field. I'm not asking him to do that, but
20:07
Speaker 2: the ball's got to come out on time, it's got
20:09
Speaker 2: to be in rhythm. We got to be able to
20:11
Speaker 2: get the football where it needs to go. There's too
20:14
Speaker 2: many instances on film. Well, first of all, the biggest
20:17
Speaker 2: one to me is snapping the ball into bad defenses
20:20
Speaker 2: like that. You get out there first play of the
20:23
Speaker 2: game and you know Will McDonald's unblocked on the end
20:25
Speaker 2: of the line of scrimmage and you snapped the ball anyways,
20:27
Speaker 2: I just can't really understand the logic behind that. The
20:31
Speaker 2: other thing though, in terms of the processing or the
20:35
Speaker 2: timing post snap, that lends itself a lot to pressure too,
20:39
Speaker 2: because now the quarterback's holding the ball in the pocket.
20:42
Speaker 2: So when they had to play on third down in
20:45
Speaker 2: the Jets game where they're running Hunter Henry on a
20:49
Speaker 2: little y option type of route and they're just going
20:51
Speaker 2: to clear it out for him, and he's just gonna
20:53
Speaker 2: break off and find a soft spot or breakoff of
20:56
Speaker 2: man coverage or whatever the case may be. And Brissett
21:00
Speaker 2: open to that side of the field and he's staring
21:02
Speaker 2: right at an open Hunter Henry at the sticks, but
21:05
Speaker 2: he wants to see it open. He doesn't want to
21:07
Speaker 2: throw it before Henry gets out of the break. He
21:10
Speaker 2: wants to be one hundred percent confirmed this is open.
21:14
Speaker 2: A lot of those throws into the sideline, whether it's
21:17
Speaker 2: like a free axis hitch or slant or comeback or
21:20
Speaker 2: something along those lines, is just a trust throw by
21:23
Speaker 2: the quarterback. The receiver's going to break the right way,
21:26
Speaker 2: the DB's off, the DB's giving the leverage away. I'm
21:29
Speaker 2: just gonna throw this ball. Those are anticipatory throws. You
21:33
Speaker 2: can't in the league. You can't just hold the ball
21:36
Speaker 2: and then throw it when it's open, because then now
21:38
Speaker 2: it's too late. Now the cornerback's breaking on the football,
21:41
Speaker 2: So he doesn't throw the ball at a Hunter Henry.
21:44
Speaker 2: He passes that open read up and then he comes
21:47
Speaker 2: back to the middle of the field for his second read.
21:49
Speaker 2: But now Caden Wallace at left tackle is later in
21:53
Speaker 2: the down, so now he's on skates at left tackle.
21:56
Speaker 2: Here comes the flag holding offense. Seventy hour and third
22:00
Speaker 2: and fourteen. If Jacoby bris said had just released the
22:03
Speaker 2: ball to Hunter Henry when he was supposed to on
22:06
Speaker 2: the first read of the progression, then Kenan Wallace never
22:09
Speaker 2: holts right, the flag comes like two beats the after
22:12
Speaker 2: the throw. So those are the types of things I'm
22:15
Speaker 2: seeing with Perssett on film. He's got to get the
22:18
Speaker 2: offense in and out of of the plays at the
22:19
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. That's number one to me. But number
22:22
Speaker 2: two is just some of these reads and these layup
22:25
Speaker 2: type of opportunities. They have to hit those because they're
22:29
Speaker 2: not going to get them very often. So if he's
22:31
Speaker 2: not doing that, if he's not truly managing the game,
22:36
Speaker 2: then I'm running out of reasons for him to be playing.
22:39
Speaker 1: It is so and it felt like he was doing
22:41
Speaker 1: that stuff better earlier in the season, Like I feel
22:43
Speaker 1: like he's back in terms of the hitting, the layups
22:45
Speaker 1: and things like that, like he astly did against Cincinnati.
22:48
Speaker 2: I don't think.
22:50
Speaker 1: At this point it's about why he is, why why
22:54
Speaker 1: they do want to play him. I think it's about
22:55
Speaker 1: why they don't want to play Drake May. Yeah, I
22:58
Speaker 1: mean right, I think that's what it's about. At I
23:00
Speaker 1: don't think Jacoby Brissett is showing you anything that you're like,
23:03
Speaker 1: this is the guy we need in the lineup. It's
23:04
Speaker 1: just we can get into the reasons we think, but
23:07
Speaker 1: for whatever reason or reasons, it's we don't want to
23:10
Speaker 1: start Trak May yet. Yeah, I think that's that's the
23:12
Speaker 1: difference right now. I agree with a lot of what
23:14
Speaker 1: you said about Jacoby Brissett. I just think from their
23:16
Speaker 1: point of view, and honestly, partially for mine, that's not
23:19
Speaker 1: the point.
23:20
Speaker 2: And I've said this before.
23:21
Speaker 1: I mean no disrespect to Jacoby Brissett, but he's thirty
23:23
Speaker 1: one years old, he's on a one year contract, and
23:26
Speaker 1: they just took a kid third. Overall, I know who
23:29
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett is as a quarterback. Everybody knows who Jacoby
23:32
Speaker 1: Brissett is as a quarterback. He's been the same guy
23:34
Speaker 1: for most of his career in the NFL. I do
23:36
Speaker 1: think he's a little underrated, but this is kind of
23:39
Speaker 1: what he is. He's gonna more or less get your
23:43
Speaker 1: offense through a sixty minute game and it's not gonna
23:46
Speaker 1: look horrific. But there's not gonna be too many high points,
23:48
Speaker 1: like true high points either. I that we're breaking down
23:54
Speaker 1: why that is. I get why we're doing it, but
23:56
Speaker 1: it's also like, okay, and what like what's the end goal?
24:00
Speaker 1: Is the goal to fix Jacoby Brissett.
24:02
Speaker 2: No, but I would say that the goal, the goal
24:06
Speaker 2: to me is to is to start laying a foundation
24:11
Speaker 2: of an offense. What this offense is going to look
24:15
Speaker 2: like more importantly around the quarterback, no I than the
24:19
Speaker 2: quarterback himself.
24:20
Speaker 1: I think they can kind of do that. And this
24:23
Speaker 1: is where we disagree. I go back to when you're
24:25
Speaker 1: facing a near fifty percent pressure rate.
24:28
Speaker 2: But why are they facing a near fifty percent pressure rate?
24:31
Speaker 2: I don't think that. The reason why is just because
24:33
Speaker 2: the offensive linding is. That's a large part of it.
24:36
Speaker 2: When you get into a game against the Jets and
24:38
Speaker 2: you get behind like they did against the Jets, and
24:41
Speaker 2: the Jets come out with a good plan, Like give
24:43
Speaker 2: Robert Saliz some credit. They blitzed a little bit in
24:46
Speaker 2: this game when the Patriots weren't expecting that. Go look
24:49
Speaker 2: at any game across the NFL. When a team gets
24:52
Speaker 2: down by two scores and they become one dimensional, the
24:55
Speaker 2: pressure right is going to go through the roof. I'm
24:57
Speaker 2: not telling you that they would have blocked the Jets
24:59
Speaker 2: awesome if it was a close game.
25:01
Speaker 1: But this is this is where I go back to, like, well,
25:03
Speaker 1: but it was a close game against Cincinnati. It was
25:05
Speaker 1: a close game against Seattle, and it was still they
25:08
Speaker 1: were I forget which is which, but they were first
25:10
Speaker 1: and second worst in in past in pressure rate each
25:15
Speaker 1: of those two games in the league. One week they
25:16
Speaker 1: were first, one week they were second. Again, I forget
25:18
Speaker 1: which ones which, but the point still stands, close games
25:22
Speaker 1: against lesser rushing teams are still not blocking anybody. That
25:25
Speaker 1: Jets game inflates the number a little bit because the
25:27
Speaker 1: Jets are still so good. It honestly reminded me a
25:30
Speaker 1: bit of the Eagles practice and what we said after that.
25:33
Speaker 1: Remember how shocked people were after the Eagles practice. It's
25:36
Speaker 1: not that that's going to be every game, but it's
25:38
Speaker 1: that that's where the floor is. Is more so what's
25:40
Speaker 1: shocking That is the floor and that goes beyond quarterback play.
25:44
Speaker 2: It just does.
25:45
Speaker 1: And they don't have an ability to execute a lot
25:49
Speaker 1: of what they want to execute because the line is
25:53
Speaker 1: where it is. I think some of the things you
25:55
Speaker 1: want to see them do, Evan, just regardless of who
25:58
Speaker 1: the quarterback is, even if it's into the right look,
26:00
Speaker 1: aren't feasible. There's times that they're leaving six guys in
26:02
Speaker 1: to protect against a four man rush and they're still
26:05
Speaker 1: getting through an under two seconds. That kind of that's
26:09
Speaker 1: going to be an issue no matter what you're calling.
26:11
Speaker 2: I just think that they can call it better.
26:13
Speaker 1: And I think they can call it better and maybe
26:15
Speaker 1: instead of being at I think they're at like forty
26:18
Speaker 1: six percent right now.
26:20
Speaker 2: Everybody has a different rate.
26:21
Speaker 1: I've been using next Gen stats just because that new
26:24
Speaker 1: NFL Pro setup is awesome and I enjoy it.
26:28
Speaker 2: That's surprising, honestly, why, because it's just very nerdy. They're
26:32
Speaker 2: not usually into the numbers. I'm just I'm surprised.
26:35
Speaker 1: Okay, we do this all time. I'm into the tangible numbers.
26:37
Speaker 1: There's there's two here to just give me the advance.
26:40
Speaker 2: If you haven't know how to work it, I'm surprised,
26:42
Speaker 2: Like you know, an old man over here. I thought
26:44
Speaker 2: maybe i'd have to show you, like a tutorial or something.
26:47
Speaker 2: How am I the old man?
26:48
Speaker 1: It's it's a much better user interface. That's why I
26:50
Speaker 1: like it. It is very easy to use. Forty seven point
26:53
Speaker 1: six percent. If they call it better, they at forty
26:56
Speaker 1: four forty five, maybe.
26:58
Speaker 2: I would say lower if they had get forty is
27:01
Speaker 2: it really I don't know. We're working and hypothetically, but.
27:07
Speaker 1: I just think I don't think calling it better at
27:12
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Jimmy's and Joe's right, and
27:16
Speaker 1: I just don't think they they have the personnel to
27:18
Speaker 1: block some of the fronts they're going to see.
27:21
Speaker 2: I just if it was me, I would just because
27:25
Speaker 2: it's our show, I will just tell you I would
27:27
Speaker 2: like to see them do more. From the play calling standpoint,
27:32
Speaker 2: you mentioned that they have plays in there where they
27:34
Speaker 2: have five, you know, six guys into block. Yeah, they're
27:37
Speaker 2: doing a lot of like chip and release with their
27:39
Speaker 2: tight ends. I would like to see a lot more.
27:42
Speaker 2: Let's have everybody into block and let's just send two
27:46
Speaker 2: guys into the route. And the other teams do this
27:48
Speaker 2: all the time, you know, and I'm not saying they
27:50
Speaker 2: can't do that. Let's get seven guys in there with
27:54
Speaker 2: the back also kind of as a last you know,
27:56
Speaker 2: line of defense off of play action or probably something
27:59
Speaker 2: like that. When you want to push the ball down
28:01
Speaker 2: the field, this should be max protection. This shouldn't be
28:04
Speaker 2: six guys, it should be eight. Good.
28:05
Speaker 1: But to go back to your point, which was they
28:08
Speaker 1: need to start developing what their offense is going to
28:10
Speaker 1: be around the quarterback. Is that going to be a
28:12
Speaker 1: staple of their offense or is that something that they
28:14
Speaker 1: have to do right now because of the personnel they have.
28:18
Speaker 1: And I'm less concerned of who the quarterback is. Yeah,
28:21
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying.
28:22
Speaker 2: I'm less concerned about the scheme element of getting their
28:24
Speaker 2: offense off the ground. I'm more concerned. We talk so
28:28
Speaker 2: much about Drake May's confidence and Drake May seeing some
28:32
Speaker 2: shots go through and things like that. What about Jaylen Polk,
28:35
Speaker 2: Like what about Caden Wallace? What about Leyden Robinson? Like
28:38
Speaker 2: those guys. I just feel like people don't think those
28:41
Speaker 2: guys matter. Like, if they're gonna get this plane off
28:43
Speaker 2: the ground, then those guys are gonna be a big
28:46
Speaker 2: part of what Javon Baker I'll throw his name in
28:49
Speaker 2: there as well. You know, if they're going to truly
28:51
Speaker 2: be a viable offense once Drake May is ready and
28:55
Speaker 2: they get in there, those guys need to make some plays.
28:58
Speaker 2: Like we don't know And from an La Wolf perspective,
29:01
Speaker 2: sure we don't know what Jalen Polk is because he
29:04
Speaker 2: doesn't get the ball.
29:05
Speaker 1: I believe with that, And this is where I think
29:07
Speaker 1: if you're those guys, you're coaching those guys, it has
29:10
Speaker 1: to very much be about individual progress. Like it probably
29:15
Speaker 1: would help Jalen Polk's confidence if he got to Baltimore.
29:18
Speaker 1: But he's getting open, like he's running good routes, he's
29:21
Speaker 1: not doing.
29:22
Speaker 2: His part, he has gotten open some no doubt.
29:24
Speaker 1: I would even say the same for guy. And we
29:26
Speaker 1: know Pop Douglas was discouraged the other week and they
29:28
Speaker 1: got in the ball more and that was good. But like,
29:30
Speaker 1: I almost feel like the message has to be, you know,
29:34
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing. And as much as the sucks,
29:39
Speaker 1: I know people are gonna roll their eyes to this,
29:40
Speaker 1: but it's almost like you're doing the right thing. You've
29:43
Speaker 1: got to give us a little bit of time to
29:44
Speaker 1: catch up to you, and that's where you're gonna roll
29:46
Speaker 1: your eyes and say, well, Wooden. Drake may help with that,
29:49
Speaker 1: maybe to an extent, but with where the offensive line's
29:52
Speaker 1: at again, I only think it's gonna help to a ceiling.
29:54
Speaker 1: And the reality is, if Drake May gets hurt or
29:57
Speaker 1: starts developing bad habits, then it doesn't help catch anybody
30:01
Speaker 1: up because now Drake May's in trouble.
30:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, so just I don't want to belabor this,
30:05
Speaker 2: but just two things I want to just point out
30:07
Speaker 2: with that we can watch on film, you and I
30:10
Speaker 2: or anybody can watch on film and say, oh, Jaylen
30:13
Speaker 2: Polk wins on that route, he wins on that route,
30:15
Speaker 2: he wins on nar rowt I would I would just
30:17
Speaker 2: say this as a general not even about Jalen Polk.
30:20
Speaker 2: If you guys that are listening to the show, If
30:22
Speaker 2: you guys do go watch the All twenty two and
30:24
Speaker 2: try to break these things down. I would just the
30:26
Speaker 2: one piece of advice I would give you is make
30:28
Speaker 2: sure you're a cognizant of where he is in the progression,
30:32
Speaker 2: because oftentimes he might look open, but he's actually on
30:36
Speaker 2: the back side of the read and the corner knows
30:39
Speaker 2: that the quarterback's not looking in that direction. Or the
30:42
Speaker 2: safety in the middle of the field. Who's helping, you know,
30:44
Speaker 2: the cornerbacks and help in a post safety coverage. You know,
30:47
Speaker 2: a single high safety over the top. If Jalen Polk's
30:51
Speaker 2: running a go route on the left hand side of
30:53
Speaker 2: the field, but Jacobe's eyes are on the right side
30:55
Speaker 2: of the field, and the safety is gonna gravitate towards
30:58
Speaker 2: his eyes. So even though he he looks open, if
31:01
Speaker 2: it was going to him, he might not be as open, right,
31:04
Speaker 2: And that's not a Polk thing, that's just a general.
31:06
Speaker 1: Well that's where you want a quarterback who's able to
31:08
Speaker 1: kind of flip that and go to the backside.
31:10
Speaker 2: But yeah, that just really quickly.
31:12
Speaker 1: But even within that, like you agree, he's been getting open.
31:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he has got up sometimes. The thing to
31:20
Speaker 2: me though with Polk and I know that you're gonna
31:22
Speaker 2: tell me that, well, we know he has good hands
31:24
Speaker 2: from the you know, draft film and all that, but
31:27
Speaker 2: what does he do with the catch point? That's a
31:30
Speaker 2: big element of playing receiver in this league. There's not
31:34
Speaker 2: a whole lot of wide open catches in the NFL.
31:38
Speaker 2: You're gonna be catching in traffic. You're gonna be catching
31:41
Speaker 2: with a man coverage defender draped all over you. Like
31:43
Speaker 2: the throw that everybody's going crazy about with Jaden Daniels,
31:47
Speaker 2: Dax Hill is like all over Terry McLaurin on that play.
31:50
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin finishes through contact to make that catch. What
31:54
Speaker 2: does Jalen Polk do in those scenarios? What does Jalen
31:57
Speaker 2: Pulk do after the catch with the football in his hand.
32:00
Speaker 2: It's like, does he have a yak gear in the
32:02
Speaker 2: open field? Is he gonna bring anything in that element
32:05
Speaker 2: of the game. These things are all going to decide
32:09
Speaker 2: what is Jalen Polk steiling as a player in the league.
32:12
Speaker 2: I hate to use these phrases because I don't think
32:15
Speaker 2: it's necessarily how the people in the league actually look
32:17
Speaker 2: at it. That's how we look at it. We all
32:20
Speaker 2: believe the Patriots need a wide receiver one, right, a
32:23
Speaker 2: number one alpha wide receiver? Is Jalen Polk a wide receiver? Two?
32:29
Speaker 2: Is Pop Douglas a wide receiver? Three? Like, is that
32:33
Speaker 2: a viable top three? Let's just play it hypotheticals again.
32:38
Speaker 2: Is T Higgins Jalen Polk Pop Douglas an actual receiving core?
32:44
Speaker 2: Not this is the best we got, but an actual
32:48
Speaker 2: receiving core on a good NFL offense. Until I see
32:52
Speaker 2: what Jalen Polk is made of in the league by
32:55
Speaker 2: throwing the ball successfully to him, I don't know that answer.
32:59
Speaker 2: If I'm Elliott w and that more importantly than this season,
33:02
Speaker 2: that makes next offseason more complicated because now I'm still
33:06
Speaker 2: asking questions about players on my roster, Caden Wallace, is
33:09
Speaker 2: he a serviceable NFL tackle? Is he gonna be able
33:12
Speaker 2: to be a right tackle of the future for this
33:15
Speaker 2: team if they have these issues with play calling and
33:17
Speaker 2: quarterback play and all this type of stuff, I might
33:20
Speaker 2: not know the answer to that at the end of
33:22
Speaker 2: the season. More importantly than wins, losses anything like that,
33:26
Speaker 2: this season is answering questions about the players that are
33:29
Speaker 2: already on your roster.
33:30
Speaker 1: Well, if you're gonna do that, you've got to get
33:33
Speaker 1: players playing in the right position. So that to me
33:36
Speaker 1: is like Kane Wallason right, They need to get Kane
33:38
Speaker 1: Waalson right to evaluate him right tackle whatever it looks like.
33:41
Speaker 1: They got to get Jalen Polk on the field to
33:43
Speaker 1: evaluate him in all of that. So I do agree
33:47
Speaker 1: with you on that, and again it goes back to
33:48
Speaker 1: the play calling.
33:49
Speaker 2: But again.
33:51
Speaker 1: I don't Jacoby Versett doesn't change that much or shouldn't change, Like,
33:57
Speaker 1: you should be able to play Kane wallasont right tackle,
34:00
Speaker 1: regardless of who's a quarterback. If you're not, that's on
34:03
Speaker 1: that's because you don't. You didn't have the right personnel
34:05
Speaker 1: going into the season, and you suddenly have to panic
34:07
Speaker 1: move them.
34:08
Speaker 2: If you put Kaden Wallace at right tackle and then
34:11
Speaker 2: I promise I'll let this go, but it's obviously irking me.
34:15
Speaker 2: If you play Caden Wallace at right tackle and as
34:18
Speaker 2: a rookie, you leave him on an island against Nick
34:21
Speaker 2: Bosa and the quarterback decides to hold the ball for
34:23
Speaker 2: three point five seconds in the pocket and he gives
34:25
Speaker 2: up a sack. What are we really learning about Caden Wallas.
34:31
Speaker 1: Well, you see how he competes up to that point,
34:34
Speaker 1: like you're not expecting him to win for three point five.
34:36
Speaker 2: I think you have to just go, okay, let's go
34:38
Speaker 2: it for what it is. Well, let's call it three.
34:39
Speaker 1: I would also say, you'd hope the quarterback, the veteran
34:43
Speaker 1: quarterback would understand that you would there's a rookie right tackle.
34:46
Speaker 2: IM I know, but I would. I just don't. He
34:50
Speaker 2: doesn't like. That's the thing. So just to move on
34:54
Speaker 2: because I know I'm belaboring it the way that I
34:57
Speaker 2: look at the Drake May of all of this, because
34:59
Speaker 2: I know that I've already said my piece about this
35:02
Speaker 2: on Tuesday with Drake May, that I would start. I
35:05
Speaker 2: didn't say this week, okay, I said, nah, you've kind
35:08
Speaker 2: of said this week. No, I did not say this week.
35:11
Speaker 2: I said specifically week five at the earliest against Miami.
35:15
Speaker 2: Next week, against whatever quarterback the Dolphins are gonna throw.
35:18
Speaker 2: And I know he's not playing the quarterback, but you
35:20
Speaker 2: understand my play whatever quarterback the Dolphins throw out against
35:23
Speaker 2: the Patriots next week at home here in Jillette Stadium.
35:27
Speaker 2: I like that landing spot for Drake May. The elements
35:31
Speaker 2: with Drake May that I wanted to bring up number one.
35:34
Speaker 2: I really feel like we all have to mentally prepare
35:39
Speaker 2: ourselves for the style of quarterback that Drake May is.
35:44
Speaker 2: Drake May is not going right away to be a
35:50
Speaker 2: precision pocket passer. He's not gonna have perfect footwork. He's
35:54
Speaker 2: not gonna throw on time to every single first read.
35:56
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be a step ahead of defenses. Like
35:59
Speaker 2: if Drake was making some of the mistakes that Jacoby
36:01
Speaker 2: Brissette was making, I'd say, oh, rookie quarterback, like that's
36:04
Speaker 2: gonna happen. He's not gonna see every blitz, He's not
36:06
Speaker 2: gonna read every coverage perfectly. That's the frustrating part to
36:10
Speaker 2: me with Jacob Rissette's like it's your nine, dude, and
36:12
Speaker 2: where we're still doing these things with Drake May. We
36:17
Speaker 2: have to prepare for the fact that this is early
36:19
Speaker 2: career Josh Allen. This is not early career Tom Brady
36:23
Speaker 2: right where like he's he that's how he's going to win.
36:26
Speaker 2: So on certain plays like I know the fourth down
36:29
Speaker 2: play I sent it to you last night where he
36:31
Speaker 2: scrambles for a first down in the game, you could
36:34
Speaker 2: make a case that he should have thrown that ball
36:36
Speaker 2: to Hunter Henry in the first window on a first
36:39
Speaker 2: window slant. That ain't Drake May's game. If that's the
36:42
Speaker 2: guy that you wanted that he was pre snap, he
36:45
Speaker 2: was going to recognize that Hunter Henry had to off
36:47
Speaker 2: coverage and had the matchup, and then he was gonna
36:49
Speaker 2: throw it right out of his release to get him
36:51
Speaker 2: the football. If that's the guy that you wanted to draft,
36:55
Speaker 2: then you drafted the wrong guy. Like that's more like
36:58
Speaker 2: Bo Nicks to be honest with you, like you know
37:00
Speaker 2: you drafted the wrong guy. What Drake May is going
37:02
Speaker 2: to do is he's gonna pick up the first down.
37:05
Speaker 2: When they leave the the edge uncovered and they give
37:08
Speaker 2: him the corner, he's gonna run for the first down.
37:10
Speaker 2: That's what Drake May is gonna do. So we all
37:13
Speaker 2: have to adjust because I feel like we've even though
37:15
Speaker 2: it didn't work out with Mac, it's still Mac is
37:17
Speaker 2: still in that pocket passer mold. He's still in that
37:21
Speaker 2: more towards that Brady side than the Josh Allen side.
37:24
Speaker 2: We have to prepare ourselves for the fact that this
37:26
Speaker 2: is a playground quarterback, Like this is a different style
37:30
Speaker 2: of QB. I know, the Allen stuff. Uh, that drives
37:34
Speaker 2: you nuts. It We're gonna see that what Drake May.
37:36
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts when when somebody leads the league
37:39
Speaker 1: turnovers and is hailed as you know, arguably the best
37:43
Speaker 1: of his position. That that's what bugs me. It's not
37:45
Speaker 1: worth style itself. It's just recognizing what it is. If
37:49
Speaker 1: Drake May him play it and not lead the league
37:51
Speaker 1: in turnovers, great, it would be awesome. I know there's
37:53
Speaker 1: gonna be turnovers early in his career. I'm not expecting
37:55
Speaker 1: him to figure it all out right away. I think
37:58
Speaker 1: that's ridiculous. But like you said, not throwing the ball
38:01
Speaker 1: to Hunter Henry and taking off and running instead. How
38:04
Speaker 1: many times at least early in his career did Josh
38:07
Speaker 1: Allen try to force that throw and get picked because
38:08
Speaker 1: he doesn't have the accuracy to make it.
38:10
Speaker 2: It's possible And to.
38:11
Speaker 1: Your point, I think that's a growing moment for Drake
38:13
Speaker 1: May where he realizes that's not a throw he can
38:16
Speaker 1: make and takes off and runs instead because he finds
38:18
Speaker 1: the opening that's encouraging. It is a completely different style
38:21
Speaker 1: of quarterbacking, and I'm with you on that the Patriots
38:23
Speaker 1: fans are not used to and there is gonna.
38:25
Speaker 2: Be And I'm not like finger wagging. I am finger
38:27
Speaker 2: wagging a little bit at some of the draft analysis
38:31
Speaker 2: of Drake May because I think this is to me,
38:33
Speaker 2: this is where the draft analysis missed the mark with
38:37
Speaker 2: Drake May the most because they, you know, people like JT. O.
38:40
Speaker 2: Sullivan and Dan Orlovski watch his footwork and are like
38:43
Speaker 2: this is a mess, Like this is not functional. But
38:47
Speaker 2: Drake May is also just not that kind of quarterback.
38:50
Speaker 2: Like he's not gonna have perfect footwork, right, He's not
38:52
Speaker 2: going to make perfect reads. What he's going to do
38:55
Speaker 2: is he's gonna throw some beauties down the field, Like
38:59
Speaker 2: he's gonna have some perfect passes down the field, and
39:02
Speaker 2: his unc tape is a lot of peaks and valleys.
39:06
Speaker 2: It's a lot, it's a roller coaster. But what you hope,
39:08
Speaker 2: just like what happened eventually with Josh Allen, is you
39:11
Speaker 2: hope that the highlights outweigh the low lights by so
39:15
Speaker 2: much that it ends up evening itself out right or
39:18
Speaker 2: even being a net positive with Gonna go down that.
39:21
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert Path gets real talent around him and it
39:24
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do as much of the heavy lifting
39:26
Speaker 1: on his own.
39:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really fine point too, the way I
39:30
Speaker 2: would like them to go. So that that's one thing
39:33
Speaker 2: with Drake May. The other thing with Drake May is
39:38
Speaker 2: why I I think he's their best chance to win
39:41
Speaker 2: football games right now, not not even just because I
39:45
Speaker 2: want him to play because it's my best interest or
39:47
Speaker 2: because it's the most exciting or any of those types
39:49
Speaker 2: of things. I think it's a little bit of that,
39:51
Speaker 2: But for me personally, yeah, it's a little bit of that,
39:53
Speaker 2: but in their best interest. The style of play that
39:57
Speaker 2: they can play with Drake May, a lot of the
40:01
Speaker 2: play calling elements that we're talking about with the quarterback
40:04
Speaker 2: and with the play caller, they can do a lot
40:07
Speaker 2: of things with Drake May that they simply cannot do
40:11
Speaker 2: with Jakobe Wesset from the shotgun. And if I'm Alex
40:14
Speaker 2: van Pell and I'm Ben McAdoo, I think has a
40:17
Speaker 2: big hand in sort of the schematic direction of the offense.
40:20
Speaker 2: And Van Pelt said it today. If a quarterback's a
40:23
Speaker 2: run and shoot quarterback, we're gonna run the run and
40:25
Speaker 2: shoot right. So Drake May is a gun quarterback, I
40:28
Speaker 2: would put him in the shotgun. My early down offense
40:32
Speaker 2: would be gun run, read option, RPO, quick game, all
40:37
Speaker 2: these types of elements. Guess what that does for the
40:39
Speaker 2: offensive line. That makes life easier on the offensive line.
40:43
Speaker 2: If the quarterback is a factor in the run game,
40:46
Speaker 2: now the offense has an advantage in the blocking game, right,
40:50
Speaker 2: like they have a plus one in the blocking game.
40:52
Speaker 2: It makes it easier for the offensive line. Quick game
40:55
Speaker 2: in RPO are ways to move the football on first
40:58
Speaker 2: and second down that are easier for the offensive line.
41:01
Speaker 2: If he throws a bubble out to Pop Douglas on
41:03
Speaker 2: an RPO, the offensive line doesn't even need to block anybody, right,
41:07
Speaker 2: they don't even need to worry about it. So I'm RPO,
41:10
Speaker 2: I'm quick game I'm gun run and gun action. Obviously
41:13
Speaker 2: off the gun run, and then on third down you
41:16
Speaker 2: do what you did in the game on Thursday night
41:19
Speaker 2: when he got in there, You put him in the shotgun.
41:21
Speaker 2: You run some layered in breaking routes over the middle
41:23
Speaker 2: of the field. If you get man to man coverage
41:26
Speaker 2: and everybody's covered, guess what, you have a six foot
41:28
Speaker 2: four to two hundred and twenty five pound guy that
41:30
Speaker 2: can get outside the pocket and move. So that their
41:33
Speaker 2: whole offense right now is predicated on all these under center,
41:38
Speaker 2: seven step drop bootleg actions, like all these delayed type
41:42
Speaker 2: of offense that is taking a while to get these
41:45
Speaker 2: plays off, and I just feel like the play calling
41:49
Speaker 2: can be morphed and changed to better suit not just
41:53
Speaker 2: the quarterback with Drake, but also with the supporting casts.
41:57
Speaker 2: Like the line is gonna have a much easier job
42:00
Speaker 2: blocking these types of concepts than they would blocking a
42:04
Speaker 2: seven step drop from under center for Jacoby Brissett. So
42:08
Speaker 2: in some ways, it's about Drake may getting out there.
42:10
Speaker 2: It's selfish. In some ways, I also believe that it
42:13
Speaker 2: would really benefit the rest of the offense in the
42:16
Speaker 2: supporting cast to have him out there, so I think
42:18
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get my wish, So I'm not gonna go
42:20
Speaker 2: all crazy about it, because it sounds like we're building
42:23
Speaker 2: up towards that based off of everything that we're hearing.
42:26
Speaker 1: Very complimentary from the coaching staff last couple of days.
42:28
Speaker 1: And I'll say to that, the big takeaway is Van
42:31
Speaker 1: Pelt saying today he makes a point of tailoring the
42:34
Speaker 1: offense to the quarterbacking out the other way around. So
42:36
Speaker 1: the people who I've seen some people say like what
42:39
Speaker 1: they're running with Burssett right now is what they're gonna
42:41
Speaker 1: run with May, I wouldn't expect that to be the case.
42:45
Speaker 2: No, And I also I wouldn't expect that to be
42:48
Speaker 2: the case because Number One, in the preseason and in
42:51
Speaker 2: the twelve snaps or twelve dropbacks, I should say that
42:53
Speaker 2: he had in the game on Thursday night, he was
42:56
Speaker 2: barely under center in both instances, like he had I
43:00
Speaker 2: want to say a handful of under center plays in
43:02
Speaker 2: the preseason, like it was very low number. And then
43:05
Speaker 2: and the other night, granted they're down and maybe they're
43:07
Speaker 2: still kind of in like a four minute hurry up
43:09
Speaker 2: type of offense, but he wasn't under center at all.
43:12
Speaker 2: Every single drop back he took was from the gun,
43:14
Speaker 2: So I don't think they plan on pigeonholing him into
43:18
Speaker 2: being an under center quarterback. With that said, I'm not
43:22
Speaker 2: with everybody quite. I think it's we're going a little
43:25
Speaker 2: overboard with it. I don't think it's a totally terrible
43:28
Speaker 2: fit for Drake May's skill set. A lot of the
43:32
Speaker 2: downfield route combinations that they run off their under center
43:35
Speaker 2: looks off play action. He was running a lot of
43:38
Speaker 2: that stuff at North Carolina, just out of the pistol, right,
43:41
Speaker 2: and but they were running a lot of those like
43:43
Speaker 2: let's flood the sideline and he's gonna throw off the corner,
43:47
Speaker 2: big posts, you know, crossing routes like they were running
43:50
Speaker 2: a lot of those types of things at North Carolina.
43:52
Speaker 2: So I don't necessarily agree that it's a it's an
43:55
Speaker 2: awful fit for what Drake made.
43:57
Speaker 1: I think as long as Van Pelt is willing to
44:00
Speaker 1: good on that, he's not gonna shoehorn him into some
44:03
Speaker 1: of the more concrete stuff we know Van Pelt wants
44:06
Speaker 1: to do, but just isn't a fit.
44:07
Speaker 2: I think that's fine. Yeah, all right, I got all
44:10
Speaker 2: everything off my chest. I think because I just when
44:12
Speaker 2: we don't have a show, when they play on Thursday
44:14
Speaker 2: night and then we don't have a show to do
44:16
Speaker 2: until Thursday. There's a lot of stuff that's been on
44:18
Speaker 2: my mind, but I think I'm gonna get my wish,
44:21
Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna scream and yell today about playing
44:24
Speaker 2: Drake may I just I love Jacoby. He's been a
44:28
Speaker 2: really great guy to cover. You can tell he's a
44:30
Speaker 2: great teammate, he's a good person, he's a great dude,
44:33
Speaker 2: all these types of things. But we're getting to the
44:36
Speaker 2: point if they play like they did last Thursday night
44:39
Speaker 2: on Sunday in San Francisco, which is very possible, then
44:43
Speaker 2: we're getting to the point where it's just it's not
44:46
Speaker 2: good enough. It's not NFL caliber.
44:49
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm ready that once they have a
44:51
Speaker 1: representative offensive line, I'm ready to start having the conversation
44:54
Speaker 1: about making the change. This is I've been consistent on this.
44:58
Speaker 1: I've said this since the spring. Right find the best
45:01
Speaker 1: five and then make the change. I think we know
45:04
Speaker 1: what the best five is at this point. It may
45:05
Speaker 1: be by default just because this five hasn't played together,
45:09
Speaker 1: but just looking at all the other options they've tried
45:11
Speaker 1: and might also be the only five where they get
45:13
Speaker 1: everybody in their true position left to right. Vanderian Lowe
45:17
Speaker 1: honestly at left guard. Whether it's City so, Michael Jordan,
45:20
Speaker 1: Laden Robinson, you can have those guys. You could still
45:22
Speaker 1: kind of be mixing it up there, and I think
45:24
Speaker 1: be good, be ready for Drake May. Your best answer
45:26
Speaker 1: is probably City. So, but Michael Jordan has not been bad.
45:29
Speaker 2: No, I's been uncovered a lot like he hasn't had
45:31
Speaker 2: as many pass rushers line up over him for whatever
45:34
Speaker 2: and just the way they're friends or have been a line.
45:37
Speaker 2: But he's probably been their most steady guy.
45:39
Speaker 1: So Vaderian Lowell left tackle, called City So, Michael Jordan
45:43
Speaker 1: left guard. Whoever, David Andrews at center, Mike go and
45:46
Speaker 1: went who.
45:47
Speaker 2: At right guard?
45:47
Speaker 1: You can take your victory lap on this one if
45:49
Speaker 1: you want, but I think it's clear at this point
45:51
Speaker 1: he is a guard. And then Kane Wallace at right tackle.
45:54
Speaker 1: You have everybody playing in position, you get, for the
45:57
Speaker 1: most part, your best line and all on the field together.
46:01
Speaker 1: If you can put that line out there, I'm honestly
46:04
Speaker 1: at the point where I don't even need to see it. First,
46:06
Speaker 1: I kind of just trust that group again, mostly because
46:09
Speaker 1: I'm putting that group in by default, and there's nobody
46:12
Speaker 1: I even wonder, outside of maybe figuring out a left
46:14
Speaker 1: tackle what you want to do. Once you can put
46:17
Speaker 1: that group on the field, I'm ready to say, Okay,
46:20
Speaker 1: let's do the thing. Let's put the kid in. Once
46:22
Speaker 1: you can put that group on the field. If it's
46:24
Speaker 1: Dementrey Jacobs at left tackle, who just does not approve
46:27
Speaker 1: an NFL player, if it's Kaden Wallace at left tackle
46:29
Speaker 1: who's playing out of position. If it's Mike going Winnowitt
46:32
Speaker 1: right tackle who's playing out of position. If it's Leyden
46:34
Speaker 1: Robinson in there, who has really struggled as a pass
46:37
Speaker 1: protector through three games. I do worry about developing bad habits.
46:42
Speaker 1: I worry about a long term injury, which is the
46:44
Speaker 1: worst case scenario, because then he Drake may lose a
46:47
Speaker 1: whole year of development and people.
46:48
Speaker 2: Say, oh, he's a quarterback. He's gonna get hit, He's
46:50
Speaker 2: gonna face pressure. He has to learn how to deal
46:52
Speaker 2: with it.
46:53
Speaker 1: Yes, to an extent, he's gonna have to learn how
46:55
Speaker 1: to deal with that, and he will need to learn
46:56
Speaker 1: how to face it. But where they're at right now
46:59
Speaker 1: with this group is not the risk is higher than
47:06
Speaker 1: it realistically needs to be. I would compare it to
47:08
Speaker 1: you know, learning how to drive. We all learned how
47:10
Speaker 1: to drive because when of our parents took us to
47:13
Speaker 1: an empty parking lot somewhere on a Saturday, right you
47:15
Speaker 1: drove around at fifteen miles an hour. Right now, Drake
47:19
Speaker 1: May going in and learning how to handle pressure and
47:21
Speaker 1: taking hits in the NFL. And this environment, to me,
47:24
Speaker 1: would be like learning how to drive by racing the
47:26
Speaker 1: Daytona five hundred. It's just it does it. You don't
47:30
Speaker 1: need to do that. It doesn't need to be that extreme. Yes,
47:33
Speaker 1: he's gonna need to learn it. Yes, there will be
47:35
Speaker 1: some risk at some point, and you just have to
47:37
Speaker 1: take the risk. And that's part of it. And you
47:39
Speaker 1: hope that you drafted a guy who's good enough that
47:41
Speaker 1: he com mitigates some of that. Right now, you're just
47:44
Speaker 1: asking him more than you realistically should need to ask
47:46
Speaker 1: him to do. And that is the one thing holding
47:49
Speaker 1: me back from saying put Drake May in right now.
47:51
Speaker 1: But again, once you get a representative doesn't have to
47:53
Speaker 1: be good. I'm not saying the line has to be perfect.
47:55
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying it has to be good, it
47:57
Speaker 1: just has to be better. Once you get a better
48:00
Speaker 1: representative offensive line, then I think it's time to make
48:04
Speaker 1: the change in that. I don't think it's gonna happen
48:05
Speaker 1: this week, just based off what we're seeing in practice.
48:08
Speaker 1: If Venerian Loan and Ken Walls are going to go
48:11
Speaker 1: Week five against Miami, let's have the conversation.
48:14
Speaker 2: I'm ready for it. Yeah, I hear you about the
48:16
Speaker 2: offensive line. I don't know if they're going to be
48:19
Speaker 2: in a position for everybody to be in their quote
48:22
Speaker 2: unquote natural spots like Ken Wallace might have to play
48:26
Speaker 2: left tackle this year. That just might That might be
48:29
Speaker 2: this week.
48:30
Speaker 1: I'm fine with Darian Lowell left tackle. You think Verdarian Low'
48:32
Speaker 1: is gonna miss the season?
48:33
Speaker 2: No, I well, he's gonna be out this week, I think,
48:35
Speaker 2: But I think this week. But could he be back
48:37
Speaker 2: against Miami. It's possible. Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
48:42
Speaker 2: For me, I'm with you, like I don't want to
48:45
Speaker 2: throw him out there behind Trey Jacobs and Zach Thomas
48:47
Speaker 2: on the left side a lot either. That's what they
48:49
Speaker 2: did at the end of the game. On Thursday night,
48:51
Speaker 2: the Jets had called off the dogs for.
48:53
Speaker 1: All at that point, whatever, I'm not against if they're
48:56
Speaker 1: down twenty five to the Niners, because the team's not
48:59
Speaker 1: you know, Boss will be out of the game. They're
49:01
Speaker 1: not hinting their ears back there in prevatt. I'm talking
49:04
Speaker 1: about a full sixty minutes behind that unit with it
49:09
Speaker 1: against the defense that is going to blitz the crap
49:12
Speaker 1: out of you.
49:13
Speaker 2: If I had more faith in the in the play calling,
49:15
Speaker 2: in the coordinating on offense, where they were gonna put
49:19
Speaker 2: him into the game and they were going to really
49:23
Speaker 2: script it to the point where some of the things
49:27
Speaker 2: I was talking about just a few minutes ago, with
49:29
Speaker 2: some of the concepts that they could run with him
49:31
Speaker 2: to get the ball out of his hands. If they
49:33
Speaker 2: were gonna do those types of things, and I felt
49:35
Speaker 2: confident in them designing it and calling it, then I
49:39
Speaker 2: would feel I'm at one hundred percent. Let's play Drake
49:43
Speaker 2: May I'd be had one hundred and ten percent if
49:45
Speaker 2: I really had a ton of confidence in the coordinator.
49:47
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that's like holding me back a
49:49
Speaker 2: little bit is that if they're gonna put him in there,
49:53
Speaker 2: they have to put him in there, and then they
49:54
Speaker 2: have to manage the situation. I'm not talking about putting
49:57
Speaker 2: training wheels on Drake necessarily. I'm more about talk about
50:00
Speaker 2: putting training wheels on the offensive line, right, and like
50:02
Speaker 2: making it as easy as possible for the offensive line
50:06
Speaker 2: to block people so that he doesn't get killed. To
50:08
Speaker 2: your point, right, if they had a little bit more
50:11
Speaker 2: faith in that, If I had a little bit more
50:13
Speaker 2: faith I should say in that, then I would be
50:15
Speaker 2: all gung ho about this. That does give me a
50:19
Speaker 2: little bit of pause that right now, the combination of
50:22
Speaker 2: things is not working right, And that's sort of what
50:24
Speaker 2: I'm getting at. The quarterback, the play caller, the deficiencies
50:27
Speaker 2: they have on the offensive line. The combination of those
50:30
Speaker 2: three things doesn't fit together. And there's one thing that
50:34
Speaker 2: can actually change, the line in the play caller is
50:36
Speaker 2: not changing. Vampelt's going to be the coordinator and the
50:38
Speaker 2: line's going to be the line. There's just one person
50:41
Speaker 2: that can change, and that's the.
50:42
Speaker 1: Quarter But the line's not gonna be the line because
50:44
Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys back.
50:45
Speaker 2: You're gonna get I hope, yeah, I hope.
50:48
Speaker 1: So they're gonna get some of these the fact that
50:50
Speaker 1: low and walls are out there even if they're not
50:52
Speaker 1: fully participating, like those are short term injuries. Those are
50:55
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Speaker 2: England Patriots. Let's go to the phones. Thank you all
51:49
Speaker 2: for waiting. I appreciate it. Patty is an ago on
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Speaker 2: what's up?
51:52
Speaker 4: Patty good after Agen? Hey, So got a bold prediction
52:00
Speaker 4: for you, and then I got a question for you.
52:02
Speaker 4: So I Brooke. Last week Evan had the prediction that
52:06
Speaker 4: Drake we were going to see Drake May in the
52:08
Speaker 4: Jets game. So my bold prediction is that Drake May
52:11
Speaker 4: is going to start the second half of this game
52:13
Speaker 4: in San Francisco because Jacoby is going to be so
52:16
Speaker 4: bad that they're going to have no other choice. And
52:18
Speaker 4: he's not giving up the reins. He's just this is it, baby,
52:22
Speaker 4: And don't I can't tell you why. I think this
52:26
Speaker 4: way is just a gut feeling. And this question, and
52:30
Speaker 4: this question is is more so geared towards Alex because
52:33
Speaker 4: Alex here is kind of a sickle like me. You
52:36
Speaker 4: love college football, and you live in New England, and
52:40
Speaker 4: and I know you you probably have you know, talked,
52:44
Speaker 4: talked through your guides and watch your games and looked
52:48
Speaker 4: at a few different people. So we all know that
52:50
Speaker 4: we need less tackle talent in depth So have you
52:54
Speaker 4: seen anything or have you looked up this kid Wyatt?
52:57
Speaker 4: I think you spell say his last name Milam for
53:00
Speaker 4: West Virginia as a depth piece maybe in this upcoming draft.
53:05
Speaker 4: Three years, three years started. So far this year and
53:08
Speaker 4: the last two years, he has not given up a sack.
53:11
Speaker 4: I think he's given up a total of maybe twenty
53:14
Speaker 4: four pressures too in three years. Have you looked at him?
53:18
Speaker 4: What do you think of him? And if not, check
53:21
Speaker 4: him out? That's all I got.
53:23
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty. Do you got anything?
53:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to pull up I actually wrote about
53:28
Speaker 1: this guy when I did my college football preview back
53:30
Speaker 1: in August, So just give me a second.
53:31
Speaker 2: To pull up my notes and find out. Of course
53:32
Speaker 2: you didn't.
53:33
Speaker 1: I did on the on the first point, I don't
53:38
Speaker 1: think that's gonna happen in terms of like Drake May
53:41
Speaker 1: is gonna start second half. If you do that, that's
53:43
Speaker 1: the switch. That's the switch at Drake May's team at
53:45
Speaker 1: that point. You're not gonna I.
53:47
Speaker 2: Don't love the idea of of doing that. Now. I don't.
53:50
Speaker 2: If Jacobe gets hurt, he gets hurt. I'm just saying,
53:53
Speaker 2: if he gets hurt, he gets hurt. But I would
53:57
Speaker 2: I'd much rather go in in on Wednesday he's he's
54:02
Speaker 2: the starting quarterback or giving him all of the first
54:05
Speaker 2: team reps were prepping the entire call sheet around Drake.
54:07
Speaker 2: May like throwing him in there at halftime to actually
54:11
Speaker 2: play competitively, not in garbage time like they did last
54:14
Speaker 2: Thursday night. I understand that we all want to see him,
54:17
Speaker 2: but myself included obviously, but that's a little bit risky.
54:21
Speaker 1: The other thing about that, it just feels like a
54:25
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, it feels like a
54:26
Speaker 1: very preseason thing to do. Yeah, And they had their
54:30
Speaker 1: chance to take the preseason approach, calling it tight out
54:32
Speaker 1: at the end of that Jets game, and they didn't. Yeah,
54:34
Speaker 1: So that leads me to believe that they're not of
54:36
Speaker 1: that mindset right now. So I think it is Milam
54:39
Speaker 1: Wylett Wyatt MILEM Wyatt Millium at West Virginia really good size,
54:45
Speaker 1: six six, three seventeen. He's allowed just two sacks in
54:49
Speaker 1: coming into the season, allowed just two sacks and eleven
54:52
Speaker 1: hundred career pass blocking snaps. Both of those came as
54:55
Speaker 1: a true freshman when he was a right tackle. He's
54:57
Speaker 1: been at left tackle. He was at left tackle the
54:59
Speaker 1: last two years. It didn't allow a single sack. So
55:04
Speaker 1: far this year in four games, he hasn't allowed of pressure.
55:09
Speaker 1: He hasn't allowed a single pressure in under twenty three
55:11
Speaker 1: pass blocking snaps.
55:12
Speaker 2: Now the knocks on him.
55:15
Speaker 1: He gets penalized a lot, and that's probably part of
55:19
Speaker 1: the reason that those holes and whatever are are further down.
55:24
Speaker 1: He's also a little bit I don't know if narrow
55:27
Speaker 1: is the right word.
55:28
Speaker 2: He's not.
55:29
Speaker 1: He's built more like a guard than a tackle in
55:32
Speaker 1: like his torso. Yeah, and I'll be interested to see
55:34
Speaker 1: his arm length now, doesn't have a big butt, that
55:37
Speaker 1: what you're saying, kind of yeah. I also I get
55:40
Speaker 1: I wonder about his arm length. He's he's going to
55:44
Speaker 1: be a good NFL player because he does have the
55:49
Speaker 1: raw size and athleticism and experience. He might be a guard.
55:54
Speaker 1: He might be one of these guys that plays multiple positions.
55:57
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember Evan, a guy I
55:59
Speaker 1: think was last year draft from Pitt Matt and Calves yep,
56:02
Speaker 1: who kind of was a tackling college but guard he was,
56:07
Speaker 1: But there were NFL teams in certain schemes that I
56:09
Speaker 1: think could see him as a tackle, probably right, So
56:12
Speaker 1: Mylam is a much better player, but that same kind
56:15
Speaker 1: of guy where there's probably gonna be half the team
56:17
Speaker 1: seem as a guard half the team, A bunch of
56:19
Speaker 1: teams seem as a guard, an equal amount of teams
56:22
Speaker 1: will seem as a tackle. Some teams might try him
56:24
Speaker 1: at center, like he's just a good player you want
56:27
Speaker 1: to get out on the field, but he doesn't really
56:28
Speaker 1: have a position. He's currently projected to be like a
56:30
Speaker 1: late day two pick for a team that also needs
56:33
Speaker 1: depth on the offensive line, Like, wouldn't be a bad
56:36
Speaker 1: guy to bring in. Now, They're gonna have a lot
56:38
Speaker 1: of other needs, and I don't know that they can
56:39
Speaker 1: afford to go offensive line twice that high in the draft.
56:42
Speaker 1: But sirt I get I had him on my players
56:45
Speaker 1: to watch, so take that for what it's worth.
56:47
Speaker 2: There you go, all right. Quinn is in Louisiana. Oh,
56:49
Speaker 2: I've dropped you, Quinn by a mistake. Call back, Quinn,
56:52
Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Daniel is in California. Let's up, Daniel. Good?
56:59
Speaker 2: How are you hey?
57:00
Speaker 4: I'm good. So I'm actually going to be at the
57:04
Speaker 4: game in San France.
57:06
Speaker 2: Nice.
57:06
Speaker 5: That's actually be my first Patriot game. That I'll be going.
57:09
Speaker 3: So of course I would rather like to see Brady
57:12
Speaker 3: and drunk, the good old David ones.
57:14
Speaker 6: But I'm okay with this game.
57:15
Speaker 4: So my question.
57:16
Speaker 3: Is is, obviously, you know our offense and now our
57:20
Speaker 3: defense is struggling, but and I am expecting the game
57:24
Speaker 3: to get out of hand, just how last week was.
57:26
Speaker 3: But what certain matchups or strategies do you guys think
57:30
Speaker 3: the Patriots should focus on to exploit some weaknesses and
57:35
Speaker 3: maybe pull off the upset this week and I can
57:37
Speaker 3: take it off there.
57:37
Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks Daniel. I appreciate the question, and I
57:40
Speaker 2: promise we're going to get to that. But I did
57:42
Speaker 2: want to wrap up our thoughts on the on the
57:44
Speaker 2: last game, and that's like where we're going to go
57:47
Speaker 2: right after that. So I promise we're going to get
57:48
Speaker 2: to all that. Let's do three up, three down really
57:51
Speaker 2: quickly from last week from Thursday. Again. I know it's
57:54
Speaker 2: a whole week ago and it's kind of weird to
57:56
Speaker 2: do it, but I like doing this, so we're going
57:59
Speaker 2: to do it. It's our show, right, we drive the bus,
58:02
Speaker 2: all right? So I did two and a half up
58:05
Speaker 2: because this is a tough one for me. I didn't
58:07
Speaker 2: even know that I'm getting I had a tough time
58:09
Speaker 2: with this one, but I do want to give some
58:11
Speaker 2: flowers out and then I have four down right, So
58:14
Speaker 2: I would sometimes on these types of games, I I
58:17
Speaker 2: do it one way or the other. So my number
58:20
Speaker 2: one up in this game was Pop Douglas. I thought
58:24
Speaker 2: that even though it didn't work, like in a big
58:26
Speaker 2: picture sense, the strategy of throwing the ball and attacking
58:31
Speaker 2: through the air a little bit more, especially early on
58:32
Speaker 2: in the game, didn't work, it was encouraging to see
58:36
Speaker 2: Pop get to eight touches for seventy eight yards, caught
58:39
Speaker 2: the crosser from Jacoby Brissett, caught a nice indcut from
58:42
Speaker 2: Drake May, and late in the game had the cool
58:45
Speaker 2: scheme touch on the on the pitch play, which I
58:47
Speaker 2: thought was nice. Yeah, so they've put in an orbit
58:51
Speaker 2: package orbit motion package. Orbit motion when the receiver goes
58:55
Speaker 2: behind the quarterback like on an end around, instead of
58:58
Speaker 2: a jet sweep, which would be in front of the quarterback.
59:01
Speaker 2: So you're like orbiting the planet, right, Yeah, so you're
59:04
Speaker 2: going behind the quarterback. Yeah, sure, going behind the quarterback.
59:08
Speaker 2: They've put the orbit motion package in with Pop, He's
59:11
Speaker 2: motioned at the snap seventeen times already this season, and
59:16
Speaker 2: they've done a bunch of cool things off of it.
59:18
Speaker 2: This is what I'm talking about when I say that
59:20
Speaker 2: AVP is actually a decent designer. He's just not a
59:22
Speaker 2: good play caller. This is a cool design like this
59:25
Speaker 2: actually works, and they've done a nice job with it.
59:28
Speaker 2: Against Seattle, they hit Hunter Henry on that thirty five
59:31
Speaker 2: yard screen. The window dressing or the eye candy was
59:34
Speaker 2: this motion by Pop Douglas This week they ran it
59:37
Speaker 2: and then they faked an inside handoff and ended up
59:40
Speaker 2: pitching it out to Pop Douglas and he had some
59:42
Speaker 2: green grass for a nine yard game. If this is
59:45
Speaker 2: how they're going to use him, I see a plan,
59:47
Speaker 2: Like this is a plan. Thank you. You have a
59:49
Speaker 2: plan for somebody. This is how we are going to
59:52
Speaker 2: use you. I thought was good. Now they just have
59:56
Speaker 2: to figure out the rest of everything that's going on
59:58
Speaker 2: with the offense. But if that's how Pop is gonna
1:00:01
Speaker 2: be eight for eighty and those are gonna kind of
1:00:03
Speaker 2: be his contributions to the game, then I like where
1:00:06
Speaker 2: things are headed with him. So he was my number
1:00:08
Speaker 2: one up.
1:00:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, same with me. Just to see him getting involved. Now,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: I do think there's a difference between or there's a
1:00:14
Speaker 1: fine line between involving your best players enforcing the ball
1:00:19
Speaker 1: to players. Yeah, and ideally you want your best player
1:00:22
Speaker 1: to get touches in a way that elevates the rest
1:00:23
Speaker 1: of the offense. Yeah, I don't think that's what Thursday
1:00:25
Speaker 1: night was. I think Thursday night was just getting the
1:00:27
Speaker 1: ball to force Douglas regardless. And the numbers were good, Now,
1:00:31
Speaker 1: a lot of them were in the second half. I
1:00:33
Speaker 1: think he had two catches for twenty five yards. Yeah,
1:00:37
Speaker 1: just came on that last Drake may drive. So it's
1:00:40
Speaker 1: got a rising tide. Lifts all boats, right, it's got
1:00:43
Speaker 1: to start to benefit the offense in other ways, which
1:00:45
Speaker 1: wasn't there. And to me, some of the numbers are
1:00:48
Speaker 1: kind of hollow. But for him specifically, I thought he
1:00:51
Speaker 1: had a good game.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't hold it against Pop Douglas that he's their
1:00:54
Speaker 2: best receiver, right And at the same time, don't let
1:00:59
Speaker 2: Van Pelton and the coaching staff off the hook for
1:01:02
Speaker 2: not involving Pop Douglas just because you might not think
1:01:05
Speaker 2: that he's Tyree Kill. He's their best playmaker on offense.
1:01:08
Speaker 2: In the passing game, they need to find ways to
1:01:11
Speaker 2: get him in the ball right like that. That's the
1:01:13
Speaker 2: bottom line. Just because he's not a number one quote
1:01:16
Speaker 2: unquote receiver in the league doesn't mean that we can
1:01:20
Speaker 2: just sit here and say, well, we really need to
1:01:22
Speaker 2: get Pop Douglas involved. Yes, you do need to get
1:01:24
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas involved. This team needs Pop Douglas to be involved,
1:01:28
Speaker 2: so he's gonna have to be involved. He was my
1:01:30
Speaker 2: number one up both of ours, I think, right, you
1:01:33
Speaker 2: said who was your number two?
1:01:34
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez. Yeah, just you know, was it his best game? No?
1:01:39
Speaker 1: He allowed officially his first career touchdown. I know some
1:01:41
Speaker 1: people wonder about the DK Metcalf one last week that
1:01:44
Speaker 1: was mainly put on Kyle Dugger because Kyle Dugger said
1:01:47
Speaker 1: to put it on Kyle Duggar. Yeah, this one was
1:01:49
Speaker 1: allowed by Gonzalez, and honestly, not much more he could
1:01:51
Speaker 1: have done on the play. Really good throw by Aaron Rodgers,
1:01:53
Speaker 1: who was excellent in this game. But was it five
1:01:57
Speaker 1: catches thirty five yards a Gonzalez. If you're holding guys
1:02:01
Speaker 1: like Garrett Wilson to those numbers week in and week out,
1:02:05
Speaker 1: you should be in most games, you're gonna be competitive
1:02:07
Speaker 1: in most games, especially defensively. So to me, Christian Goanzalez
1:02:10
Speaker 1: continues to pass tests and he continues to look like
1:02:13
Speaker 1: he's making that year two jump.
1:02:14
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you brought up Gonzalez because I wanted
1:02:17
Speaker 2: to soap box the first second on Gonzalez. I'm an
1:02:20
Speaker 2: apologist for Christian Gonzalez. I'm sorry, I just am. I'll
1:02:23
Speaker 2: own this. The reason why I'm an apologist for Christian
1:02:25
Speaker 2: Gonzalez is because they have so many issues wrong with
1:02:29
Speaker 2: their team and their roster. Picking on probably their most
1:02:32
Speaker 2: talented player just feels so wrong to me, Like he's
1:02:36
Speaker 2: the one guy that I feel like I can sit
1:02:38
Speaker 2: there and watch and him, like that's a blue chip talent?
1:02:41
Speaker 2: Has he realized it yet? Not necessarily, Like he's still
1:02:45
Speaker 2: a work in progress to an extent as a younger
1:02:47
Speaker 2: player in this league. But he is clearly physically a
1:02:51
Speaker 2: blue chip talent. So can we can we give him
1:02:54
Speaker 2: some time to develop? He's only played seven NFL games.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: I think people forget about that because he's technically in
1:03:00
Speaker 2: his second season in the league. But he only played
1:03:02
Speaker 2: three and a half games as a rookie. So we're
1:03:04
Speaker 2: seven NFL games in I know you know this, but
1:03:08
Speaker 2: just play with me for a second. The receivers that
1:03:11
Speaker 2: he has faced in those seven games. Garrett Wilson twice,
1:03:15
Speaker 2: AJ Brown and a little bit of DeVante Smith and
1:03:18
Speaker 2: the opener last year against the Eagles, Tyreek Hill, Ceedee
1:03:21
Speaker 2: Lamb Jamar Chase, DK Metcalf and on Sunday, oh wait,
1:03:26
Speaker 2: you have Brandon Ayuk coming your way on Sunday. That
1:03:29
Speaker 2: is a gauntlet. That is an absolute gauntlet. And this
1:03:32
Speaker 2: is to be fair. He is getting drops Aayuk. Yeah
1:03:36
Speaker 2: he can't catch. Yeah, yeah, but that is a list
1:03:41
Speaker 2: Like if you made a list of the top ten
1:03:44
Speaker 2: receivers in the NFL, how many of the receivers I
1:03:47
Speaker 2: just named would be on that list? Quite a few,
1:03:50
Speaker 2: quite a few of them. He's facing some of the
1:03:52
Speaker 2: best competition in the league. He has not looked out
1:03:55
Speaker 2: of place. He's not looked overwhelmed by those matchups. Him
1:03:58
Speaker 2: and Marlon Humphrey are the only corners in the league
1:04:00
Speaker 2: that haven't given up an explosive yet. Now, if you
1:04:02
Speaker 2: want to put the metcalf on him, fine, but that's
1:04:05
Speaker 2: a mental error. That's not a physical error of him
1:04:08
Speaker 2: getting burned in man coverage. Last thing. He's shadowing these guys.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: He's going inside and outside. He's playing in the slot
1:04:15
Speaker 2: when Garrett Wilson plays in the slot, and he's playing
1:04:18
Speaker 2: on the boundary when Garrett Wilson goes out and lines
1:04:20
Speaker 2: up out wide. This is not SaaS Gardner. I'm just
1:04:24
Speaker 2: gonna take the right side of the field and the
1:04:25
Speaker 2: rest of you guys can figure it out. No offense
1:04:28
Speaker 2: right like, this is not a zone corner. This is
1:04:31
Speaker 2: a man to man corner. Law reevus to leave like
1:04:35
Speaker 2: that father. You have Ayuk and you are following him
1:04:40
Speaker 2: everywhere he goes. That's what Christian Gonzalez has done since
1:04:44
Speaker 2: day one with the Patriots. Just the list that you
1:04:47
Speaker 2: just read off Reevius Gilmore law to leave. If you
1:04:52
Speaker 2: expected him to be that seven games into his NFL career,
1:04:55
Speaker 2: then your expectations were too high. He's a growing young
1:04:59
Speaker 2: player in this league. He's been really, really good. He
1:05:02
Speaker 2: has some reps on film where he has perfect coverage
1:05:06
Speaker 2: on some of the best receivers in the NFL. And
1:05:08
Speaker 2: the touchdown that he gave up to Garrett Wilson. I
1:05:11
Speaker 2: don't mind the gamble there. Your team is down, your
1:05:14
Speaker 2: offense has done nothing all night long, so he gambled.
1:05:18
Speaker 2: He tried to go for the pick instead of the
1:05:20
Speaker 2: instead of just covering the receiver. If he picked six,
1:05:22
Speaker 2: is that then we're all going googly eyes over the
1:05:26
Speaker 2: fact that he did that. It was a gamble. It
1:05:28
Speaker 2: was a boomer bust gamble. It busted on that particular play.
1:05:31
Speaker 2: It was also a perfect throw by Aaron Rodgers. So
1:05:34
Speaker 2: end of rant. I just I feel like, out of
1:05:37
Speaker 2: all the people that have played Keon White, Christian Gonzalez,
1:05:40
Speaker 2: to me right now are off limits. Like those guys
1:05:43
Speaker 2: are doing their job to the best of their abilities
1:05:46
Speaker 2: as young players in this league. Pick on the guys
1:05:48
Speaker 2: that are actually worth picking on, not those two. Kobe,
1:05:53
Speaker 2: just say it you want, no, I do whoever the
1:05:56
Speaker 2: offensive line, Jacoby said, whoever else you want to pick on,
1:06:00
Speaker 2: I'm game. They have a lot of issues, So I'm game.
1:06:03
Speaker 2: But Christian Gonzalez has been perfectly fine. All right? Uh
1:06:07
Speaker 2: one my other half up? Did you have any more
1:06:10
Speaker 2: were in the.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: Day I was talking about puting, I thought about putting
1:06:12
Speaker 1: on Aaron Rodgers. He was just really impressive in that game,
1:06:14
Speaker 1: and after he'd kind of struggled the first couple of weeks. Uh,
1:06:18
Speaker 1: the bad Man might be back.
1:06:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's unfortunate. I was the first couple of weeks
1:06:23
Speaker 2: and I was dead wrong in everything I talked about
1:06:25
Speaker 2: that game. Last week, I went off of the first
1:06:28
Speaker 2: couple of weeks of Aaron Rodgers, and he did not
1:06:30
Speaker 2: look as nimble as he did on there.
1:06:31
Speaker 1: We were all off, everybody, even even Felger, who's you
1:06:34
Speaker 1: know mister Packers? Right, I was on with him and
1:06:37
Speaker 1: he was saying, Rogers is checked out. He looks done,
1:06:39
Speaker 1: he looks like he's quiz.
1:06:40
Speaker 2: He just didn't look like he could move around very
1:06:42
Speaker 2: well on the on the Achilles, it looked like he
1:06:45
Speaker 2: was still on Thursday night, he looked like MVP's Aroon Rodgers. Yeah,
1:06:51
Speaker 2: my half up, because you know I had half up
1:06:54
Speaker 2: Austin Hooper. I thought Austin Hooper actually got open in
1:06:57
Speaker 2: this game. And it's not his fault that Jacoiber said.
1:07:00
Speaker 2: Sailed the pass left, you know, wide left of him,
1:07:02
Speaker 2: and then he got up. He got he made a
1:07:05
Speaker 2: catch on a nineteen yard crossing route that got called
1:07:07
Speaker 2: back because of a penalty. So in another alternate universe,
1:07:11
Speaker 2: in this game, Austin Hooper has like two or three
1:07:13
Speaker 2: catches for like sixty five seventy yards in this game.
1:07:16
Speaker 2: It just happened that, you know, one of them was
1:07:18
Speaker 2: amiss by the quarterback. One of them gets wiped out
1:07:21
Speaker 2: by a penalty. He had the screen. He caught a
1:07:24
Speaker 2: nineteen yard screen that actually counted in this game as well.
1:07:28
Speaker 2: So you put those three catches together, what is that
1:07:30
Speaker 2: two for seventy, three for seventy maybe three for seventy
1:07:33
Speaker 2: five if he breaks a tackler or two. I thought
1:07:35
Speaker 2: he actually got opened down the field a little bit
1:07:37
Speaker 2: in this game. So I'll give him some flowers. Let's
1:07:39
Speaker 2: move over to the downs. What did who did you
1:07:41
Speaker 2: have as your number one down?
1:07:44
Speaker 1: Sir?
1:07:45
Speaker 3: So?
1:07:46
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I honestly didn't know what we were
1:07:47
Speaker 2: doing up and downs this week. I'll tell you this.
1:07:50
Speaker 2: Just the offense. The offense, let me give you one.
1:07:53
Speaker 1: It wasn't good, no, no, but like it's just in
1:07:57
Speaker 1: no way did that team come out ready to play?
1:08:00
Speaker 2: Always do ups and downs?
1:08:01
Speaker 1: All right?
1:08:02
Speaker 2: So I'll do this.
1:08:03
Speaker 1: The offense is number one. Go ahead, I put Alex
1:08:06
Speaker 1: van Pelt, Okay, I that's fair. When you come out
1:08:11
Speaker 1: the day after the game, I don't want to like
1:08:13
Speaker 1: continue to kill him. So when you come out the
1:08:15
Speaker 1: day after the game and you admit that the play
1:08:17
Speaker 1: the game plan was not good, you're on the downs list.
1:08:20
Speaker 2: Like he publicly wore it. To his credit, the plan
1:08:24
Speaker 2: of going in without establishing any sort of run game
1:08:28
Speaker 2: and trying to be this play action pass team backfired.
1:08:31
Speaker 2: I understand the thought process behind it, but it backfired.
1:08:34
Speaker 2: So you're my number one down.
1:08:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just say the offense, I guess I'll say
1:08:37
Speaker 1: Alex van Pelt as representative of the offense as a whole.
1:08:40
Speaker 1: I didn't think they had a good game plan. I
1:08:42
Speaker 1: even think the game plan they had they didn't execute.
1:08:44
Speaker 1: They get executed at a higher level. Would it have
1:08:46
Speaker 1: ultimately worked, I don't know. But for what they were
1:08:48
Speaker 1: trying to do, they didn't do well. Couldn't block, couldn't run,
1:08:52
Speaker 1: turn the ball over and have a ton of guys
1:08:54
Speaker 1: getting open. Jacoby had some misses. I don't know if
1:08:57
Speaker 1: there's much there to hang your hat on offensively, All.
1:09:00
Speaker 2: Right, number two down for me, I'm just gonna go
1:09:03
Speaker 2: and you can piggyback off of me tackling. So I
1:09:06
Speaker 2: was gonna say the defense just tackling. Yeah, it's a
1:09:11
Speaker 2: short week. I'm gonna give him that caveat. They really really.
1:09:15
Speaker 1: Missed Jewan Bentley in this game, and I'll get to
1:09:17
Speaker 1: that in a second. More that I thought they would,
1:09:19
Speaker 1: and I thought they werenna miss.
1:09:20
Speaker 2: Him a lot, but they missed thirteen tackles in this game.
1:09:24
Speaker 2: It was very poor fundamental football in terms of tackling,
1:09:28
Speaker 2: And probably my biggest issue with the defense right now
1:09:32
Speaker 2: is containing quarterbacks and keeping the quarterback in the pocket,
1:09:35
Speaker 2: especially on third down. So over the last two weeks,
1:09:37
Speaker 2: I have here's a staff for you. Over the last
1:09:40
Speaker 2: two weeks, Gino Smith and Aaron Rodgers on extended plays,
1:09:44
Speaker 2: which next Gen tracks is four plus seconds to throw right.
1:09:48
Speaker 2: So these plays, you know, Josh Allen Mahomes, apparently Rogers
1:09:53
Speaker 2: is back to doing this where we're just running around
1:09:55
Speaker 2: and making plays out of structure. Gino Smith and Aaron
1:09:58
Speaker 2: Rodgers eight for nine for one hundred and fourteen yards.
1:10:01
Speaker 2: That is twelve point four yards per attempt on extended plays.
1:10:05
Speaker 2: The domino effect that that has, especially on third down,
1:10:09
Speaker 2: is massive because you should be off the field in
1:10:12
Speaker 2: those situations. So if you are fundamentally sound and you
1:10:16
Speaker 2: keep the quarterback in the pocket and you make the
1:10:18
Speaker 2: tackles that you're supposed to make. Now you're off the field,
1:10:21
Speaker 2: and those drives don't get extended and you don't give
1:10:24
Speaker 2: up all these extra yards that in fact, because I
1:10:26
Speaker 2: know one hundred and fourteen out of six hundred doesn't
1:10:28
Speaker 2: sound like a lot, but it's a domino effect that
1:10:31
Speaker 2: it has too on the entire game that I'm hoping
1:10:35
Speaker 2: the tackling improves just organically.
1:10:37
Speaker 1: I mean, you basically gave them sorry to catch up.
1:10:39
Speaker 1: You basically gave them an extra trip down the field, right, So, yeah,
1:10:43
Speaker 1: the tackling you think.
1:10:44
Speaker 2: Will be better.
1:10:45
Speaker 1: Like you said, short week, they were missing guys all that,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: but this wasn't an issue of they got out schemed.
1:10:51
Speaker 1: This wasn't an issue of even I would say personnel.
1:10:55
Speaker 1: I mean it is and it isn't. But it wasn't
1:10:57
Speaker 1: issue personnel. It wasn't getting out coach, It wasn't getting
1:10:59
Speaker 1: out schemed.
1:10:59
Speaker 2: They or not.
1:11:00
Speaker 1: They just weren't ready to play. It was effort plays
1:11:02
Speaker 1: that just didn't go their way. And I think what
1:11:05
Speaker 1: hurt is Jilani Tavai try to give him some juice
1:11:07
Speaker 1: early in the game. Yeah, makes that that hard tackle
1:11:10
Speaker 1: on Breeze Hall. I don't think that was a penalty.
1:11:12
Speaker 2: It was. It was a very not a wrestling guy,
1:11:16
Speaker 2: but it was. It was a body slam, but that's legal.
1:11:19
Speaker 2: But he wrapped him the whistle blue and then he bought.
1:11:23
Speaker 1: See and this is what's tough. You can't see on film,
1:11:25
Speaker 1: but like I went back and watched, assuming Amazon had
1:11:28
Speaker 1: the sound synced upright, Yeah, that whistle like he's already.
1:11:32
Speaker 2: Starting to throw him to the ground when he whistle blows.
1:11:34
Speaker 1: To me, it's if, yes, after the whistle, that's a penalty.
1:11:39
Speaker 1: I don't think that play was after the whistle.
1:11:40
Speaker 2: Maybe if you were there, it was borderline. I think.
1:11:43
Speaker 2: To me, what what it was was like he was
1:11:46
Speaker 2: in the grasp, yeah, and and Brisaw was, you know,
1:11:50
Speaker 2: kind of giving himself up on the.
1:11:51
Speaker 1: Play, very clearly off the ground before the whistle blows.
1:11:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I just thought that it was like those
1:11:58
Speaker 2: are like those little extra yeah pieces of contact at
1:12:03
Speaker 2: the league. I hear you, and I'm not I kind
1:12:06
Speaker 2: of thought it was a little bit of a BS
1:12:08
Speaker 2: call watching live, and that's a big play in the game.
1:12:10
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I'm not sitting here saying It
1:12:12
Speaker 1: was the smartest play ever, right, but try to inject
1:12:15
Speaker 1: a little juice in early. They get called for it
1:12:17
Speaker 1: and they just never bounced back. They were just the
1:12:20
Speaker 1: tackling wasn't there, the physicality wasn't there, the effort wasn't there.
1:12:24
Speaker 1: And that's on Jerod Mayo. That's an Amarcus Covington. That's
1:12:26
Speaker 1: on the players. They just didn't they didn't get off
1:12:28
Speaker 1: the bus.
1:12:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that was another thing that I
1:12:32
Speaker 2: undersold about this game was how much juice was in
1:12:35
Speaker 2: that building. And it was Aaron Rodgers' first game back
1:12:39
Speaker 2: since the injury. They had just come off a big
1:12:42
Speaker 2: win in Tennessee the week before. That place was was
1:12:46
Speaker 2: for a Jets game. And I'm gonna throw some Shane
1:12:48
Speaker 2: at the Jets fans because why not. I haven't been
1:12:51
Speaker 2: in that building in my career and had and had
1:12:54
Speaker 2: a real crowd because it's always been Belichick versus Zach
1:12:58
Speaker 2: Wilson or like something like that. That was a real
1:13:03
Speaker 2: That was a real crowd. That is prime time. It
1:13:06
Speaker 2: was Rogers' first game like that was a There was
1:13:08
Speaker 2: a lot of juice in that building and the Jets
1:13:11
Speaker 2: played like.
1:13:11
Speaker 1: It, but match it a Belichick team would have marriaged
1:13:14
Speaker 1: it like like to me a lot of what that
1:13:16
Speaker 1: game was. This was one of the first real in
1:13:20
Speaker 1: season tests for the girod Mao coaching staff. Yeah, short week,
1:13:23
Speaker 1: you lose your left tackle, you lose your captain, middle linebacker,
1:13:28
Speaker 1: you know, uh, defensive one of your best defensive players
1:13:31
Speaker 1: going in And I get it. It's not easy, but
1:13:34
Speaker 1: rise to the occasion, meet it, Bill Bellich, I don't
1:13:36
Speaker 1: know that Bill Belichick wins that game. The team comes
1:13:39
Speaker 1: out with more effort. The team comes out with more effort.
1:13:42
Speaker 1: And when I say girod Mayo, I mean the coaching
1:13:44
Speaker 1: staff as a whole. The coaching staff did not rise
1:13:47
Speaker 1: to meet the challenge of the short week, and I
1:13:50
Speaker 1: would say they failed that test. And look next year,
1:13:52
Speaker 1: first Thursday night game. I would expect this game to
1:13:55
Speaker 1: be a major talking point. As you know, they couldn't
1:13:58
Speaker 1: get the team ready last year on the short week.
1:14:00
Speaker 1: Can they do with this time around?
1:14:01
Speaker 2: It's a good point. And it's a young coaching staff
1:14:03
Speaker 2: or an inexperienced coaching staff, and in places where it's
1:14:07
Speaker 2: not necessarily young, and uh, it was a short week
1:14:10
Speaker 2: and it looked they looked unprepared.
1:14:11
Speaker 1: They it looked like a coaching staff coaching their first
1:14:14
Speaker 1: ever game on a short week.
1:14:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, A couple more? Yeah,
1:14:17
Speaker 2: uh number three? Can I give him my third? Just
1:14:20
Speaker 2: to finish my thing? Yeah?
1:14:21
Speaker 1: Special teams, offense, defense, specialty. I think I did this
1:14:23
Speaker 1: once last year too.
1:14:24
Speaker 2: Did I think it was the Cowboys game or the
1:14:26
Speaker 2: Saints game? That one of those sounds about right. So look,
1:14:31
Speaker 2: I know the game fell. I thought Barringer was fine.
1:14:34
Speaker 2: Baringer continues to be just the best play.
1:14:37
Speaker 1: It's twenty twenty Jake Bailey vibes where it's like, this
1:14:40
Speaker 1: guy's the best guy on the team. I know nobody
1:14:42
Speaker 1: wants to hear it. I know everbody's gonna roll their
1:14:43
Speaker 1: eyes at it. Bryce Baringer is the best player on
1:14:46
Speaker 1: the Patriots right now. He just is.
1:14:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was really good five. It was a
1:14:50
Speaker 2: twenty twenty that Bailey made All Pro by and and Gunner.
1:14:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, who you said didn't belong in the NFL camp.
1:14:55
Speaker 2: I knew that was kind of course he did.
1:14:57
Speaker 1: Yeah no, But it was that year where the whole
1:14:59
Speaker 1: year was like, yeah, they have two All pros on
1:15:01
Speaker 1: special teams, like there's nothing else.
1:15:03
Speaker 2: To build one.
1:15:04
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so Baringer's really good. Five punts, three
1:15:08
Speaker 1: inside the twenty, no touchbacks again like a forty four
1:15:12
Speaker 1: yard net. But now, look, I know the game felt
1:15:15
Speaker 1: out of hand after about a quarter and a half, right,
1:15:17
Speaker 1: but they come out of the locker room, they go
1:15:19
Speaker 1: three and out, they punt. It is still fourteen to three,
1:15:22
Speaker 1: So you're still very much fourteen three run driving in
1:15:26
Speaker 1: the third quarter is still very much a game. Yeah, Barringer,
1:15:29
Speaker 1: great kick fifty one yards down to the Jets, thirteen
1:15:31
Speaker 1: yard nine, real chance to flip the field. Breton Schooler
1:15:34
Speaker 1: gets right down there, beats the blockers, whiffs on the
1:15:37
Speaker 1: tackles Xavier Gibson twenty one yard return, and that just
1:15:41
Speaker 1: it felt like took a lot of air out of
1:15:43
Speaker 1: the defense. Yeah, and it's the second week in a row,
1:15:45
Speaker 1: because remember this happened against Seattle too.
1:15:48
Speaker 2: It was against Seattle.
1:15:49
Speaker 1: It was right at the end of the first half
1:15:50
Speaker 1: where they allowed the big return and Seattle gets a
1:15:53
Speaker 1: field goal gifted to them essentially that they.
1:15:55
Speaker 2: Probably shouldn't have had.
1:15:56
Speaker 1: Barringer's gonna knock some of these balls deep, and you
1:16:00
Speaker 1: you'd argue he's out kicking his coverage. I think you
1:16:02
Speaker 1: gotta know what kind of puntery is at this point,
1:16:04
Speaker 1: and you need him to flip the field like that.
1:16:06
Speaker 1: They've got to capitalize on some of these bigger kicks
1:16:09
Speaker 1: better and not you know, first guy down whiffing on
1:16:11
Speaker 1: some of these bigger kicks.
1:16:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as I'm not the special teams guy,
1:16:15
Speaker 2: and I let you handle that, yeah, side of the street,
1:16:18
Speaker 2: but this team. As much as I hate how this
1:16:22
Speaker 2: team wants to play, and you know that, but.
1:16:24
Speaker 1: Well, you don't need to be a special teams guy
1:16:26
Speaker 1: as a defensive coach, would you rather defend a team
1:16:28
Speaker 1: starting on the thirteen yard line or the thirty four
1:16:30
Speaker 1: yard line? Yeah, that's that's what I'm talking, right And
1:16:33
Speaker 1: I and I say this because I just I have to.
1:16:35
Speaker 1: I hate how this team has to win games right now,
1:16:39
Speaker 1: but I still have to call a spade a spade.
1:16:42
Speaker 1: They need to play complimentary football in all three phases
1:16:45
Speaker 1: right Like they're gonna be a run first offense, which
1:16:47
Speaker 1: I hate, But they're gonna be a run first offense.
1:16:50
Speaker 2: Uh. They're going to be a team that's gonna need
1:16:53
Speaker 2: field position and it's gonna need the punter and the
1:16:55
Speaker 2: punt team to be a factor, and they're gonna need
1:16:57
Speaker 2: to flip the field, and they're gonna need to put
1:16:59
Speaker 2: other team on long fields and things like that. All
1:17:02
Speaker 2: is going to be a thing this team needs to
1:17:04
Speaker 2: do to win football game.
1:17:06
Speaker 1: That's why it's it down for me, because if you
1:17:08
Speaker 1: are that team, you can't be missing tackles and punt coverage.
1:17:12
Speaker 2: You just can't do it all right. Number three here
1:17:16
Speaker 2: Jelani tava and ray Kuan McMillan. This was one of
1:17:19
Speaker 2: the worst inside linebacker tapes I've ever seen from the Patriots.
1:17:25
Speaker 2: Just soft up the middle, not getting off blocks. Looked
1:17:29
Speaker 2: a little bit overwhelmed by some things. Missing tackles like
1:17:32
Speaker 2: Rayqwon McMillan comes in and has Braylan Allen and the
1:17:35
Speaker 2: whole like very very early in this game and could
1:17:38
Speaker 2: have made a big play in the game early on,
1:17:40
Speaker 2: completely whiffs on the tackle attempt. Tavai looked a little
1:17:43
Speaker 2: bit overwhelmed, looked like he had a more responsibility without
1:17:47
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley, maybe a little bit more mic linebacker instead
1:17:50
Speaker 2: of will linebacker, wearing the green dot, all those types
1:17:53
Speaker 2: of things. I asked Marcus Comington today about you know,
1:17:58
Speaker 2: do things change mechanically up front now that Jawan Bentley
1:18:02
Speaker 2: isn't there, And he said no, that we just have
1:18:04
Speaker 2: to be better, and I didn't really love that answer.
1:18:07
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you, and I know that
1:18:08
Speaker 2: they're going to make little tweaks and like things like that,
1:18:10
Speaker 2: and they're not going to make necessarily wholesale changes. But
1:18:14
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley is a very unique player with the way
1:18:18
Speaker 2: that he takes on blocks and the way that he
1:18:20
Speaker 2: plays the run game almost like a defensive lineman that
1:18:23
Speaker 2: I don't think you can just expect Joannie to buy
1:18:25
Speaker 2: in ray Kwan McMillan to play the run as well
1:18:28
Speaker 2: and in the same way that Jawan Bentley does. So
1:18:31
Speaker 2: I do think it has to change a little bit
1:18:33
Speaker 2: how you are playing from a front mechanics and a
1:18:36
Speaker 2: structure standpoint like it just you can't play too high
1:18:40
Speaker 2: expecting the two gap and get the numbers back that
1:18:43
Speaker 2: way when you don't have a thumper in the middle
1:18:45
Speaker 2: of the defense like Jawan Bentley, It's just you're gonna
1:18:47
Speaker 2: get run on all day, especially by this team coming
1:18:50
Speaker 2: up on Sunday. If that's how they play the run
1:18:53
Speaker 2: on Sunday against Shanahan. The Niners are going to run
1:18:56
Speaker 2: for two hundred yards, so they have to do something.
1:18:58
Speaker 1: It just flashed me back to specifically remember his first
1:19:02
Speaker 1: year here when he just.
1:19:02
Speaker 2: Really didn't look right.
1:19:05
Speaker 1: And then Bill comes out that offseason when we all
1:19:09
Speaker 1: expect to buy to not make the team, and it's like,
1:19:11
Speaker 1: this guy's gonna be a crucial part of what we
1:19:12
Speaker 1: do and we're like what, And then they moved him
1:19:14
Speaker 1: to the edge and he suddenly became a good contributing player.
1:19:19
Speaker 1: Now he's back playing that position he was his first
1:19:21
Speaker 1: year here in New England, which I think is out
1:19:23
Speaker 1: of position for him. So hopefully once Talkie gets back,
1:19:26
Speaker 1: you know, there's a little less of that. It kind
1:19:29
Speaker 1: of hint today that Marte mop who might get some
1:19:31
Speaker 1: snaps of linebackers, so.
1:19:32
Speaker 2: We get to do this thing again, Evan. But I
1:19:35
Speaker 2: would devise out a position filling in for Yeah, I'm
1:19:39
Speaker 2: more on the with you on the the out of position,
1:19:43
Speaker 2: just asking him to do some things that he he's
1:19:46
Speaker 2: not necessarily the take on, like the block deconstructor that
1:19:50
Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley is. He is much more of an athlete,
1:19:54
Speaker 2: like let's fly to the football un blocked, or let's
1:19:57
Speaker 2: drop into some space and make plays. He's not He's
1:20:01
Speaker 2: not a take on linebacker in my opinion. So I
1:20:04
Speaker 2: don't know if maybe that you just have Raekwon McMillan
1:20:07
Speaker 2: just kind of run full force into blocks and not
1:20:10
Speaker 2: worry so much about making the tackle but more so
1:20:12
Speaker 2: worry about disruption and kind of blowing things up. And
1:20:15
Speaker 2: then you allowed to Vie to come in and clean up.
1:20:17
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's the better way to go about things
1:20:20
Speaker 2: than what they did the other night. I don't necessarily
1:20:23
Speaker 2: think the green dot is as big of a deal.
1:20:26
Speaker 2: I think it's more about where he is in the defense. Yeah,
1:20:29
Speaker 2: like the positional type of stuff. So they were on
1:20:32
Speaker 2: my list number four down the entire offensive line, Like
1:20:36
Speaker 2: you have to call him out at some point.
1:20:38
Speaker 1: You've been the one who's been telling me for like
1:20:41
Speaker 1: two weeks now, the offensive line is not as big
1:20:43
Speaker 1: of an issue as I think it is.
1:20:44
Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear you say no, it's a big deal. No,
1:20:47
Speaker 2: it's a big issue. I'm just not willing to let
1:20:50
Speaker 2: everybody else off the hook for the entire season just
1:20:53
Speaker 2: because we're the offensive line isn't good, right, Like eventually
1:20:58
Speaker 2: figure it out, like and not again, not thirty points
1:21:01
Speaker 2: a game, figure it out, but like, can we not
1:21:03
Speaker 2: have what we had last Thursday night? Right right? That's
1:21:06
Speaker 2: all it is. But fifty two point two percent pressure
1:21:09
Speaker 2: rate on Jacob Brisett in this game, Canaan Wallace, David Andrews,
1:21:13
Speaker 2: Mike on One who Leiden Robinson all three pressures each,
1:21:17
Speaker 2: sixteen total pressures allowed in this game. Just in terms
1:21:20
Speaker 2: of volume, I thought all of them struggled across the board,
1:21:23
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan maybe was a little bit out got
1:21:27
Speaker 2: away with this one one hurry allowed just for him.
1:21:31
Speaker 2: Wallace obviously a rookie playing out a position in his
1:21:34
Speaker 2: first NFL game. Not a great spot for him, so
1:21:36
Speaker 2: I'm willing to give him a break. David Andrews and
1:21:39
Speaker 2: Mike on Winner need to be better. Like, those are
1:21:41
Speaker 2: your two veteran guys on the line. Those are the
1:21:43
Speaker 2: two guys that are starters in this league and belong
1:21:46
Speaker 2: in the starting lineup, and we're not It's not Trey Jacobs, right,
1:21:49
Speaker 2: We're not forcing you into the lineup. That's where you belong.
1:21:52
Speaker 2: Those two guys need to be better for this team.
1:21:54
Speaker 1: I think with on Winn it's just a matter of
1:21:56
Speaker 1: he he is what he is, a tackle and they've
1:21:58
Speaker 1: got to get him moved inside guard and he's going
1:22:01
Speaker 1: to continue to struggle.
1:22:02
Speaker 2: Trying to tell you all last one just because I
1:22:05
Speaker 2: don't want people to think I'm leaving letting him off
1:22:07
Speaker 2: the hook. D Mayo Rod Mayo's got to be a
1:22:10
Speaker 2: down too. Yeah.
1:22:10
Speaker 1: They weren't all right, so I said, offense, defense, special teams,
1:22:12
Speaker 1: give me a fourth coaching.
1:22:14
Speaker 2: He's they weren't prepared to play. They weren't ready.
1:22:16
Speaker 1: They want to talk about this before, but they weren't ready.
1:22:18
Speaker 1: And that's on the coaching stuff. Yeah.
1:22:19
Speaker 2: So I don't want girod Mayo everybody to think that
1:22:22
Speaker 2: girod Mayo at you know all, they won't criticize Mayo Mayo.
1:22:26
Speaker 2: Uh he he deserves to be on the down list too.
1:22:29
Speaker 4: Uh.
1:22:30
Speaker 2: They weren't prepared to play. They got out coached. I
1:22:33
Speaker 2: believe they kind of got out coached for the second
1:22:34
Speaker 2: straight week. I think them too. Uh So we're starting
1:22:38
Speaker 2: to see some of the uh the cracks and the
1:22:41
Speaker 2: foundation of a young coaching staff and a and an
1:22:44
Speaker 2: inexperienced coaching staff. So those are ups and downs. Let's
1:22:48
Speaker 2: talk a little bit of Niners. Let's take John here
1:22:51
Speaker 2: on the phone first and then uh, we'll do the
1:22:53
Speaker 2: last thirty minutes on San Francisco. What's up, John? How
1:22:56
Speaker 2: you doing?
1:22:57
Speaker 6: Hey? How you guys doing good?
1:23:01
Speaker 1: Good?
1:23:01
Speaker 6: Good? So you guys actually kind of just touched on it.
1:23:04
Speaker 6: But I have two points on the offensive line. So
1:23:07
Speaker 6: my thought process is a little bit with on when
1:23:09
Speaker 6: who kind of being out of or not out of position,
1:23:12
Speaker 6: but not at his best at tackle, and you've got
1:23:15
Speaker 6: a rookie starting at guard next to him, you know
1:23:19
Speaker 6: what do you have to lose by basically getting on
1:23:21
Speaker 6: who in his rightful position, either moving the rookie over
1:23:26
Speaker 6: to left guard or when that so comes back, having
1:23:30
Speaker 6: him there, and just dealing with one person as a
1:23:33
Speaker 6: weak spot at left tackle. And then just one other point,
1:23:36
Speaker 6: I'll let you guys go. I heard Doug Kaide talking
1:23:41
Speaker 6: about Donovan Smith, the you know, the Kansas City left
1:23:44
Speaker 6: tackle from last year. I know he probably sucks because
1:23:48
Speaker 6: he's not signed by somebody, But in a situation that
1:23:53
Speaker 6: we're in, wouldn't he be better than what we have?
1:23:55
Speaker 6: And he's just sitting out there, maybe he's not in shape, whatever,
1:23:58
Speaker 6: it's just it feels like it'd be a worth a
1:24:00
Speaker 6: shot and have Wallace over at right tackle where he belongs.
1:24:05
Speaker 6: Just try it out anyway, Thanks.
1:24:07
Speaker 2: Guy, Thanks John so Uh to the first point they
1:24:11
Speaker 2: have on right tackle out of necessity, like they just
1:24:14
Speaker 2: don't have bodies at.
1:24:15
Speaker 1: That I agree with the point, like what do you
1:24:16
Speaker 1: have to lose by just having the one guy at
1:24:18
Speaker 1: left tackle? The problem is who you're playing a right guard?
1:24:20
Speaker 1: You can do with Kiten Wallace, then I'm all for
1:24:22
Speaker 1: it because I then, yeah, left tackle is probably a
1:24:25
Speaker 1: big weak spot.
1:24:26
Speaker 2: If it's gonna be.
1:24:28
Speaker 1: Who even would be the back of you tackle at
1:24:30
Speaker 1: this point is Trade Jacobs their swing tackle?
1:24:33
Speaker 2: Is it Trade Jacobs? It would probably be uh, the practice.
1:24:38
Speaker 1: Squad right Caleb Jones, who's never played in a pre set,
1:24:41
Speaker 1: who's never played an NFL game at right tackle without
1:24:44
Speaker 1: you know, I Vederian Lowe's not back, He's still.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: It's it's both tackles.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: You can't just move Mike and one who back inside
1:24:51
Speaker 1: and get to one position of question, you need other
1:24:53
Speaker 1: guys to get healthy first. When those guys do get healthy,
1:24:55
Speaker 1: they should make that move.
1:24:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. If they don't make that move, then I'm going
1:24:59
Speaker 2: to start to criticize the for not making that movie.
1:25:01
Speaker 2: Everybody else.
1:25:01
Speaker 1: They can't right now because guys aren't healthy, like you said,
1:25:03
Speaker 1: But yeah, just as soon as possible.
1:25:05
Speaker 2: I just thought of something really quickly, and then I
1:25:07
Speaker 2: do want to go forty nine ers. Yeah with your
1:25:11
Speaker 2: odd Mayo, go ahead. What were you gonna say?
1:25:13
Speaker 1: I just saw on Donovan Smith. Yeah, oh yeah, watch
1:25:15
Speaker 1: him from last year once, I mean right now with
1:25:19
Speaker 1: Darian Low hurt. Yeah, he'd help. I don't know that
1:25:22
Speaker 1: he's an upgrade over Darien Low at this point his career.
1:25:24
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, it doesn't seem like they want to
1:25:27
Speaker 2: make that move right now. I know, Doug. I saw
1:25:30
Speaker 2: a tweet, Doug, So if you didn't actually report this,
1:25:32
Speaker 2: and I apologize, but that the tweet from one of
1:25:35
Speaker 2: the Patriots aggregators said that Doug said that they're not
1:25:39
Speaker 2: at this time looking into bringing in any of those
1:25:42
Speaker 2: veteran tackles, you know, Donovan Smith, David Bachtiari one of
1:25:45
Speaker 2: those players. My guess is Donovan.
1:25:48
Speaker 1: Donovan Smith will had fifty three pressures and was called
1:25:51
Speaker 1: for ten.
1:25:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, penalties were an issue for him.
1:25:54
Speaker 1: That's those are both excessive numbers.
1:25:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would. I would just say that those
1:26:01
Speaker 2: guys are available for a reason, whether it's injury, whether
1:26:05
Speaker 2: it's that people think Donovan Smith is washed, whether Baktiari's
1:26:08
Speaker 2: not playing is kind of pseudo retired, right, like, whatever
1:26:12
Speaker 2: the case may be with all those Uh, there's plenty
1:26:15
Speaker 2: of teams like Kansas City. As much as we railed
1:26:18
Speaker 2: the Patriots for not drafting Kingsley, Yeah, he's been benched,
1:26:21
Speaker 2: and it's just to be like full you know, transparency.
1:26:26
Speaker 2: He's been benched and Janya Morris started in their game
1:26:28
Speaker 2: last week at left tackle. Like you don't think if
1:26:31
Speaker 2: Donovan Smith could play that the Chiefs would call him
1:26:33
Speaker 2: and say, hey, why don't you come back and play
1:26:34
Speaker 2: down the stretch for us this year? Like I My
1:26:37
Speaker 2: guess is that everybody knows stuff about those guys that
1:26:40
Speaker 2: we know. You know, I'll throw Charles Leno and DJ Humphries,
1:26:42
Speaker 2: who's coming off an injury to in that category as well.
1:26:46
Speaker 2: The rest of the league and the people that know
1:26:47
Speaker 2: more than we do about about what's going on with
1:26:50
Speaker 2: these players obviously know something about those guys, otherwise they
1:26:53
Speaker 2: would be on rosters at this point. Yeah, really quickly
1:26:57
Speaker 2: on Mayo, my big thing about him in terms of
1:27:04
Speaker 2: head coach in the role in general, is that I
1:27:07
Speaker 2: look at the head coach as a quality control coach
1:27:13
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Sure, And if I'm jirod Mayo.
1:27:17
Speaker 2: When they got back into the building, I think it
1:27:20
Speaker 2: was Monday that the coaches came back after the Thursday
1:27:22
Speaker 2: night game. When they got back in the building, I'm
1:27:27
Speaker 2: sitting down and they did talk a little bit about
1:27:29
Speaker 2: non negotiables, right, And I'm sitting down with a VP,
1:27:32
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting down with the Marcus Comington, and I
1:27:35
Speaker 2: I this is what Bill would have done. Bill would
1:27:37
Speaker 2: have had a list of like four or five things
1:27:40
Speaker 2: that it's not everything right. It's not like, let's come
1:27:43
Speaker 2: in this weekend, let's fix everything that's wrong with this team.
1:27:46
Speaker 2: It's four or five really specific things where I would
1:27:50
Speaker 2: look at my coaching staff and I would say, this
1:27:53
Speaker 2: is non negotiable, DeMarcus, we need to keep the quarterback
1:27:57
Speaker 2: in the pocket. This is non negotiable. Can't continue a VP.
1:28:02
Speaker 2: We need to run the ball. No more of these.
1:28:05
Speaker 2: You know of your your play actions for now until
1:28:08
Speaker 2: it starts to work, right, we need to run the ball.
1:28:12
Speaker 2: It's on him to do those types of things. I'm
1:28:15
Speaker 2: not necessarily saying that it's on him to fix the
1:28:17
Speaker 2: offensive line or to you know whatever. It's on him
1:28:21
Speaker 2: to be the last line of.
1:28:22
Speaker 1: Defense him to make sure it gets fixed.
1:28:25
Speaker 2: Right, to say, hey, this is what we're doing along
1:28:29
Speaker 2: those same lines. If their quarterback play doesn't improve, if
1:28:34
Speaker 2: I'm drawed Mayo, because i my senses is that there's
1:28:38
Speaker 2: pushback internally from Van Pelt, Elliott Wolf, maybe a little
1:28:43
Speaker 2: bit of Ben McAdoo where they're sitting to Girod Mayo,
1:28:47
Speaker 2: be patient like you're doing with me, right, be patient.
1:28:51
Speaker 2: His time will come. He's not ready. Be patient. Well,
1:28:54
Speaker 2: I'm he's not ready, but yeah, we're not ready. He's
1:28:57
Speaker 2: not ready. It's not ready, whatever you want to call it.
1:29:00
Speaker 2: But if I'm Drod Mayo at some point in time,
1:29:03
Speaker 2: and I'm not saying it has to be this week,
1:29:05
Speaker 2: I'm not saying whenever he feels it's right, he needs
1:29:08
Speaker 2: to come into the room and he needs to look
1:29:10
Speaker 2: at Alex Van Pelt and Ben McAdoo and say, Drakes
1:29:14
Speaker 2: the quarterback, coach him the f up.
1:29:17
Speaker 1: Right, this was a big question in the offseason, right,
1:29:19
Speaker 1: who ultimately makes that decision is it van Pelt, isn't Mayo.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: And I had kind of said at the time my
1:29:24
Speaker 1: view on it was Van Pelt gives the green light,
1:29:28
Speaker 1: and then it's up to Mayo whether or not to
1:29:29
Speaker 1: make the move. Yeah, and then the question is what
1:29:32
Speaker 1: happens if Mayo wants to make the move before he
1:29:33
Speaker 1: gets the green light. Here we are, and this is
1:29:36
Speaker 1: going to be a big test for Girod Mayo and
1:29:38
Speaker 1: this whole collaborative approach and all that, which I'm not
1:29:41
Speaker 1: against collaboration to extent, but at the end of the day,
1:29:43
Speaker 1: somebody has to final say Elliot Wolf has it over
1:29:46
Speaker 1: the roster.
1:29:46
Speaker 2: He doesn't have it over the depth chart, or should he?
1:29:48
Speaker 2: That should be the head coach?
1:29:50
Speaker 1: Can Gerod Mayo when the time comes, And by the way,
1:29:53
Speaker 1: I don't know that I necessarily want him to do this,
1:29:56
Speaker 1: but if this is the best path of action, can
1:29:59
Speaker 1: he owen of the room put his foot down and
1:30:01
Speaker 1: say Drake made his the quarterback.
1:30:03
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be easy to do. It's not gonna
1:30:05
Speaker 2: be easy to do, but this is his team and
1:30:08
Speaker 2: he has to go off of his instincts and uh
1:30:11
Speaker 2: in what he sees with his eyes, and he told
1:30:14
Speaker 2: us in the summertime, right after the preseason that Drake
1:30:17
Speaker 2: may outplayed Jacob Brissetta in the summer and the breadcrumbs.
1:30:21
Speaker 1: Are there that Gerad's ready to make the move and
1:30:24
Speaker 1: Van Pelt isn't if you want to, I don't want
1:30:27
Speaker 1: to put Elliot Wolf in either side because he just
1:30:29
Speaker 1: hasn't really openly.
1:30:30
Speaker 2: Talked about it.
1:30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you want to assume which side
1:30:32
Speaker 1: Elliot Wolf is on, well, sense right. But you have
1:30:37
Speaker 1: Gerd Mayo saying Drake's outperformed him, said one my choice
1:30:42
Speaker 1: to put him in Thursday night against the Jets. Meanwhile,
1:30:45
Speaker 1: you have Van Pelt saying, yeah, you know, he's still
1:30:48
Speaker 1: got a lot to work on. He's not ready. Even
1:30:49
Speaker 1: when he was in there on Thursday night, his footwork
1:30:51
Speaker 1: wasn't greatful.
1:30:52
Speaker 2: Yah.
1:30:52
Speaker 1: Well, like you can kind of see these two guys
1:30:55
Speaker 1: if you if you go back him. Even even this week,
1:30:57
Speaker 1: Garrod Mayo was asked about about Van Pelton practice and said,
1:31:02
Speaker 1: he's been good in practice. That's the kind of guy
1:31:04
Speaker 1: you want to get on the field. You had Van
1:31:06
Speaker 1: Pelt on Friday say I think he can learn more
1:31:09
Speaker 1: from watching than from being on the field, and then
1:31:11
Speaker 1: basically come out today and say you're starting to see
1:31:15
Speaker 1: him get better, as if like there's still a ways
1:31:17
Speaker 1: he needs to go. Yeah, the bread crumbs are absolutely
1:31:20
Speaker 1: there between Mayo and Van And again I don't exclude
1:31:23
Speaker 1: Wolf to let him off the hook. I just exclude
1:31:26
Speaker 1: him because these are the two guys we have quotes
1:31:28
Speaker 1: from over the last month.
1:31:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:31:29
Speaker 1: Right, the bread crumbs are there, Girod Mayo basically saying
1:31:34
Speaker 1: I want the kid to play, and Alex Van Pelt
1:31:37
Speaker 1: saying I don't, he's not ready.
1:31:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point, the head coach has to win
1:31:42
Speaker 2: that argument, and any real organization, I shouldn't said it
1:31:46
Speaker 2: that way, and in a well run organization, Yeah, Mayo
1:31:51
Speaker 2: wins that argument.
1:31:51
Speaker 1: But this is why I think it's difficult. You, Hi,
1:31:55
Speaker 1: if you're Jared Mayo, you hired Alex van Pelt to
1:32:00
Speaker 1: be the head coach of the offense, not the offensive corner.
1:32:03
Speaker 2: The head coach of the offense. We heard that term.
1:32:05
Speaker 1: You hired Alex Van Pelt and Ben McAdoo and TC McCartney.
1:32:09
Speaker 2: To be the quarterback experts.
1:32:11
Speaker 1: How does it look if one month into the season
1:32:15
Speaker 1: you're now telling the experts get the f out I'm
1:32:18
Speaker 1: doing this, Like, what message does that send to the
1:32:20
Speaker 1: rest of your staff people in this league talk? What
1:32:23
Speaker 1: message does that send to coaches you're trying to hire
1:32:25
Speaker 1: in the future. It's more than just saying I'm the
1:32:30
Speaker 1: head coach, I want this pulling rank.
1:32:33
Speaker 2: There's ripple effects from.
1:32:34
Speaker 1: That, which is what I think he's fighting right now,
1:32:37
Speaker 1: and he should consider that. And I'm not saying that
1:32:41
Speaker 1: it doesn't get to the point where. I'm not saying
1:32:43
Speaker 1: it will never get to the point where he needs
1:32:44
Speaker 1: to just put his foot down. It's a lot more
1:32:47
Speaker 1: than just There will be fallout from that decision, and
1:32:51
Speaker 1: it can potentially be catastrophic if that's the way he
1:32:53
Speaker 1: goes about it. Ideally he talks Van Felt into it
1:32:58
Speaker 1: rather than just goes down the hall and says, it's
1:33:00
Speaker 1: my decision. It may not be that easy, but you
1:33:03
Speaker 1: do have to kind of You're not making that.
1:33:06
Speaker 2: Move in a vacuum.
1:33:08
Speaker 1: Again, just Van, what does that mean for Van Pelton
1:33:10
Speaker 1: his future? What does that mean for macadew and McCartney,
1:33:13
Speaker 1: What does that mean for future coaches? What does that
1:33:15
Speaker 1: mean in other positions?
1:33:16
Speaker 2: You know?
1:33:16
Speaker 1: Or are you going to have other coaches now? Maybe coaching,
1:33:20
Speaker 1: scared or doing things because they don't want to be
1:33:22
Speaker 1: in this spot.
1:33:23
Speaker 2: With Mayo, it's it's.
1:33:26
Speaker 1: Ideally, it's not a situation you want to be in
1:33:28
Speaker 1: because ideally everybody's on the same page and you're in
1:33:30
Speaker 1: a place where you can just put the kid in
1:33:32
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, yeah, it's.
1:33:33
Speaker 2: The Tom Pelts and I don't and I'm not. I know,
1:33:36
Speaker 2: I'm railling on him a lot today. Yeah, I just
1:33:38
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever going to be in a place
1:33:40
Speaker 2: where he thinks Drake is ready this year.
1:33:43
Speaker 1: I feel like, okay. And so there's give and take
1:33:46
Speaker 1: in this. You have to be realistic about what the
1:33:48
Speaker 1: organization wants. You can't if you're Alexually and Pelt allowed
1:33:52
Speaker 1: to become you versus the entire Patriots organization. And I
1:33:54
Speaker 1: would imagine at the draft there was some sort of
1:33:58
Speaker 1: conversation that was had or when Van Pelt was hired,
1:34:01
Speaker 1: even Hey, we're gonna draft somebody third overall to play quarterback.
1:34:05
Speaker 1: We expect him to play this year. We expect him
1:34:08
Speaker 1: to play. I don't know, maybe the exact date wasn't given.
1:34:11
Speaker 1: And I'd say the same thing for Gerd Mayo. If
1:34:12
Speaker 1: you told Alex Van Pelt, we are okay with him
1:34:15
Speaker 1: not playing this year. You kind of can't go and
1:34:18
Speaker 1: pull rank on him. Yeah, you kind of have to
1:34:20
Speaker 1: live in the in the bed you made with that one.
1:34:23
Speaker 2: Now.
1:34:23
Speaker 1: I doubt that conversation would have happened. I don't think
1:34:26
Speaker 1: they would have completely closed the door on Drake May
1:34:29
Speaker 1: playing this year. In fact, I would bet they didn't
1:34:32
Speaker 1: because if that was truly their approach, there'd be a
1:34:36
Speaker 1: veteran buffer quarterback here, and Gerd may was very clear
1:34:39
Speaker 1: yesterday that they're not doing a buffer quarterback. And that
1:34:42
Speaker 1: would also go to if you want to bring Elli
1:34:43
Speaker 1: wolf into it. Elliott Wolfe totally has the ability to
1:34:46
Speaker 1: pull rank on Gerrod Mayo and say we're bringing in
1:34:49
Speaker 1: a veteran. He's the backup. Drake May is gonna be
1:34:51
Speaker 1: ineligible on game days. He's gonna be the emergency third, right,
1:34:54
Speaker 1: Elliot wolf has power to do that. He hasn't done it,
1:34:57
Speaker 1: so I do. I don't think if Pelt's plan is
1:35:02
Speaker 1: to not play Drake May this year, I think he's
1:35:05
Speaker 1: alone in that. Even when it comes to Elliot Wolf. Yeah,
1:35:08
Speaker 1: the question is just do the timelines differ? And what
1:35:11
Speaker 1: was said about the plan.
1:35:12
Speaker 2: Going into the season. Yeah, I just I know, I
1:35:15
Speaker 2: just rammed a little bit. I don't know that makes sense,
1:35:17
Speaker 2: but I would say my mind's more than just Sorry.
1:35:19
Speaker 1: Last point, Yeah, this is where and you hate this
1:35:22
Speaker 1: and I honestly kind of hate it too, But I've
1:35:24
Speaker 1: gotten to the point, Well, we both started our careers
1:35:28
Speaker 1: very big on We're going to cover the football of it.
1:35:31
Speaker 1: We're not going to cover the politics and the interpersonal
1:35:33
Speaker 1: part of it. We want to cover the ex and
1:35:35
Speaker 1: o's and we both still feel that way. This is
1:35:38
Speaker 1: one instance where I do think you have to consider them,
1:35:40
Speaker 1: and you do have to consider the politics of what happens.
1:35:43
Speaker 1: If you're Gerd Mayo, you go down the hall and
1:35:45
Speaker 1: you say, Drake's QB one deal with it?
1:35:47
Speaker 2: Well, why do you think that as somebody that really
1:35:51
Speaker 2: does want to focus on the ex's and hoss when
1:35:53
Speaker 2: I watch the offensive film every single week and I
1:35:56
Speaker 2: know what's in the garage, Like, why do you think
1:35:58
Speaker 2: that this is driving me crazy? Because to as a
1:36:01
Speaker 2: as a a football nerd, I'm just like, there's no
1:36:06
Speaker 2: way that Drake may is not better than this. I
1:36:08
Speaker 2: get that there's a bigger picture here and we all
1:36:11
Speaker 2: understand the bigger picture. And you remind me of the
1:36:14
Speaker 2: bigger picture every single day when I text you why
1:36:16
Speaker 2: isn't Drake may playing? But that's where it comes from,
1:36:20
Speaker 2: is that as a football guy, I just I know
1:36:24
Speaker 2: that Drake may is a better quarterback than Jacoby Brissett is,
1:36:27
Speaker 2: and that is a struggle for me and I I
1:36:31
Speaker 2: believe that Girod Mayo, not saying I'm Girod Mayo, but
1:36:34
Speaker 2: I believe that Girod Mayo is having the same internal
1:36:37
Speaker 2: struggle I do too.
1:36:37
Speaker 1: But now it becomes look, we so they were report
1:36:41
Speaker 1: the whole and it's obviously kind of a different situation.
1:36:44
Speaker 1: But last year what happened the head the offensive coordinator
1:36:49
Speaker 1: kind of got isolated, Yeah, but from the rest of
1:36:52
Speaker 1: the coaching staff. And you can go back and read
1:36:54
Speaker 1: the Boston Herald uh kind of report expos on how
1:36:58
Speaker 1: things went last year between Billichick and Bill O'Brien and
1:37:01
Speaker 1: the rest of the offense coaching staff like that Drake
1:37:04
Speaker 1: may or No. If you create essentially a war between
1:37:08
Speaker 1: Girod Mayo and Alex van Pelt, that's not good for anybody.
1:37:11
Speaker 1: That's not good for Drake, that's not good for rest
1:37:13
Speaker 1: of the offense. That's not good for the rest of
1:37:14
Speaker 1: the organization. So Girod Mayo kind of has to be
1:37:17
Speaker 1: diplomatic and Alex van Pelt to. I don't mean to
1:37:20
Speaker 1: keep putting on Mayo, but Mayo's said, coach, you got
1:37:22
Speaker 1: to be diplomatic about this, and maybe you put pressure
1:37:24
Speaker 1: on Alex van Pelt without outright telling him. Honestly, the
1:37:29
Speaker 1: best thing that can happen is Drake May put pressure
1:37:33
Speaker 1: on Alex van Pelt. And I don't mean that by
1:37:35
Speaker 1: Drake May start in the mouth off. I mean go
1:37:37
Speaker 1: out there, ball out and practice. Suddenly the other players
1:37:41
Speaker 1: get talking while you see this guy starting. Because if
1:37:43
Speaker 1: you get the locker room to want Drake May out
1:37:46
Speaker 1: there now, the clock's ticking on Alex van Pelt no
1:37:49
Speaker 1: matter what he wants.
1:37:49
Speaker 2: We're not gonna that. That's based off of everything that
1:37:52
Speaker 2: we've heard from the coaches this week especially, but just
1:37:56
Speaker 2: the rumblings in general, is that he's he's been practicing
1:37:59
Speaker 2: pretty well.
1:38:00
Speaker 1: That's for us, And I know you want to get
1:38:02
Speaker 1: to the Niners. I'm sorry, but for the whole ten
1:38:04
Speaker 1: minutes we just spent on this, that's what it comes down. Yeah,
1:38:07
Speaker 1: when does the locker room want them to make the change?
1:38:08
Speaker 1: Because when that happens, then it's going to happen.
1:38:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, h forty nine ers, And then there's
1:38:13
Speaker 2: a couple of good emails that we can wrap up.
1:38:15
Speaker 2: Another call too. We got, we got.
1:38:17
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's a guy you hung up on,
1:38:18
Speaker 1: I think you got to take it.
1:38:19
Speaker 2: No, it's not, but Q, if you want to call back, Q,
1:38:21
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard me, but that was
1:38:23
Speaker 2: my fault. I dropped you by mistake. Anyways, forty nine ers.
1:38:26
Speaker 2: I do want to talk a few things about the
1:38:28
Speaker 2: forty nine ers. Do you have key matchups prepared? Did
1:38:31
Speaker 2: you do your homework on that or no? Yeah?
1:38:33
Speaker 1: So I do five things now every Friday on ninety
1:38:35
Speaker 1: five sports dot Com. It's it's key matchups, but it's
1:38:38
Speaker 1: evolved a little bit, but I have some matchups in there.
1:38:40
Speaker 2: People love things like lists, you know, ten observations, ten takes,
1:38:45
Speaker 2: just call it five.
1:38:47
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's about the game, sometimes it's about the week
1:38:50
Speaker 1: as a whole. But I always put a couple of
1:38:52
Speaker 1: key matchups in there.
1:38:53
Speaker 2: Okay, so, uh, just really quickly on the forty nine ers,
1:38:57
Speaker 2: because unfortunately and sincerely. I really really hope Alex, that
1:39:03
Speaker 2: we are start doing shows soon where the matchup in
1:39:06
Speaker 2: that particular week actually matters like it used to. I
1:39:10
Speaker 2: really hope we get to that point. All of you
1:39:13
Speaker 2: know my love for Kyle Shanahan. I have enjoyed my week.
1:39:16
Speaker 2: I've had some extra time after I've had some extra
1:39:19
Speaker 2: time to this week. You were in a rough spot
1:39:22
Speaker 2: on Sunday. I've watched I watched the Vikings game, and
1:39:26
Speaker 2: I watched the Rams game in full on film and
1:39:29
Speaker 2: got to watch Kyle Shanahan's offense for like a full day,
1:39:32
Speaker 2: which was just not only Kyle Shanahan's offense, but also
1:39:36
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Connell and se So this was just like a
1:39:41
Speaker 2: fever dream for me.
1:39:42
Speaker 1: I was having a blast Matt Stafford. I didn't realize
1:39:45
Speaker 1: you were this high on Matt Stafford.
1:39:47
Speaker 2: Oh God, he was cooking in that game. I'll best
1:39:50
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league. Yeah, I'll maybe I have some
1:39:53
Speaker 2: Rams thoughts that I think pertain to the Patriots.
1:39:55
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll have also get those in
1:39:57
Speaker 1: a few weeks.
1:39:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. There. Maybe I'll save him then with
1:40:01
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. A couple of things I think
1:40:04
Speaker 2: are important to point out with their offense, and then
1:40:06
Speaker 2: I'll get to the defense too. Offensively, the number one
1:40:11
Speaker 2: thing that worries me about their offense is their run game.
1:40:14
Speaker 2: By a country mile.
1:40:17
Speaker 1: They are a stretch outside zone run game. They're really
1:40:22
Speaker 1: become most effective on outside zone toss, so instead of
1:40:27
Speaker 1: Purty actually reaching out and handing the ball off on
1:40:30
Speaker 1: the stretch action, he just tosses it out to Jordan Mason,
1:40:34
Speaker 1: and that has really been extremely effective for them. There
1:40:38
Speaker 1: are some blocks on tape of Trent Williams and George
1:40:42
Speaker 1: Kittle just absolutely owning dudes in the run game. They
1:40:46
Speaker 1: are a very, very physical team. They are a run
1:40:49
Speaker 1: first team in some respects. They are willing to run
1:40:52
Speaker 1: the ball. If you don't stop the run game, they
1:40:54
Speaker 1: will keep running the ball on you.
1:40:56
Speaker 2: They are a really effective run run operations if it
1:41:00
Speaker 2: is still stretch. Like McVeigh has transitioned a lot more
1:41:03
Speaker 2: to duo and to gap, Shanahan has stuck with the
1:41:07
Speaker 2: stretch for the most part, so they're gonna be stretch
1:41:10
Speaker 2: run game. In the past, they've been notoriously play action
1:41:14
Speaker 2: off of stretch run. This year, they're actually only at
1:41:17
Speaker 2: a sixteen percent play action rate. It's the fifth lowest
1:41:20
Speaker 2: in the league, and they actually were pretty low in
1:41:22
Speaker 2: the league last year on play action. So what they're
1:41:25
Speaker 2: actually doing now is is cans or like a can
1:41:30
Speaker 2: system where Brod Perdy's getting to the line of scrimmage
1:41:34
Speaker 2: when they give him a tell, like some sort of
1:41:36
Speaker 2: motion or shift pre snap to give him a coverage tell.
1:41:39
Speaker 2: If they have a single high coverage, then he's gonna
1:41:41
Speaker 2: check into a pass play. If it's too high, or
1:41:44
Speaker 2: if it's a good run look, then he'll just hand
1:41:46
Speaker 2: the ball off and run the run play. So instead
1:41:48
Speaker 2: of doing play action all the time, they are doing
1:41:51
Speaker 2: a lot more of that, like you know, at the
1:41:53
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, we're gonna get into the right play
1:41:55
Speaker 2: and where he might drop that pass or we might
1:41:57
Speaker 2: run the football based off of your look. They're very
1:42:00
Speaker 2: effective at that, and that's where Party's at his best.
1:42:03
Speaker 2: I believe is just a field general type of stuff,
1:42:06
Speaker 2: like he's very good pre snap. He gets them into
1:42:09
Speaker 2: the right plays. We talked about that earlier with Jacob,
1:42:11
Speaker 2: were said, gets into the right plays. The two keys
1:42:14
Speaker 2: to me of stopping it. Number one penetration to this
1:42:17
Speaker 2: stretch game outside zone. The death of outside zone is
1:42:20
Speaker 2: interior penetration. If you can get your tackles up the
1:42:24
Speaker 2: field and you can penetrate the badfield, then that they're
1:42:27
Speaker 2: longer developing. They're trying to get outside. If you get
1:42:30
Speaker 2: it right up through the middle and you get in
1:42:33
Speaker 2: up the field on them, that can be a death
1:42:36
Speaker 2: nil to this system. So vertical, get vertical, get up
1:42:40
Speaker 2: the field. Penetration on early downs is key. Brian Flores
1:42:44
Speaker 2: gave them a little bit of a roadmap here. They
1:42:46
Speaker 2: were really good in Minnesota's defense against this offense. A
1:42:49
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago. He would change the picture on
1:42:52
Speaker 2: Party so pre snap, Party would think it's a single
1:42:55
Speaker 2: high coverage, you know, post safety up top on the defense,
1:42:58
Speaker 2: and then post snap it would rotate into his too
1:43:00
Speaker 2: high structure. And now he's got a pass play on
1:43:03
Speaker 2: into a too high defense and there's no place to
1:43:06
Speaker 2: go with the football. So they were really good with that.
1:43:09
Speaker 2: I expect the Patriots to copy that from Brian Flores.
1:43:12
Speaker 2: Spin the dial a little bit on Purty. Don't let
1:43:14
Speaker 2: the system beat you make Brock Purdy beat you make
1:43:17
Speaker 2: him beat you with post snap, with his processing, with
1:43:20
Speaker 2: his arm. It's a lot like the Patriots game plan
1:43:22
Speaker 2: against Jared Goff and the Super Bowl and Super Bowl
1:43:25
Speaker 2: fifty three, and I mean your help, but look, the
1:43:27
Speaker 2: injuries are going to be a massive, massive part of
1:43:29
Speaker 2: this game. Yeah, Kittle if he plays, will be limited.
1:43:32
Speaker 2: Trent Williams, if he plays, will be limited. They won't
1:43:35
Speaker 2: have Deebo Samuel.
1:43:36
Speaker 1: They want of Christian McCaffrey, Brandon and I don't know if
1:43:39
Speaker 1: you saw today, he was like, teams are playing me
1:43:40
Speaker 1: different this year. Yeah, dude, you're just dropping every pass. Like,
1:43:44
Speaker 1: I don't know how much you saw of that. I
1:43:46
Speaker 1: actually meant to pull up his d.
1:43:47
Speaker 2: Get more, getting more of that number one receiver coverage,
1:43:51
Speaker 2: you know, because McCaffrey's out, Kittle's been banged up. Debos
1:43:54
Speaker 2: now out. So my guess is that he's seen number
1:43:56
Speaker 2: one corners and he's seeing some tilted coverages and dire.
1:43:59
Speaker 1: Pff only hasn't for two drops. I know that's not right,
1:44:01
Speaker 1: because I saw him drop at least two balls in
1:44:03
Speaker 1: that game.
1:44:03
Speaker 2: You might have had some like sometimes when they're like
1:44:06
Speaker 2: contested drops or like tough drops a lot on the
1:44:09
Speaker 2: sidelines and stuff. These were these were easier drop. Anyway,
1:44:14
Speaker 2: I used to say this with the Patriots a lot
1:44:17
Speaker 2: that oh hang on, here we go, advance receiving drops.
1:44:21
Speaker 2: They also have them for oh no, they have them
1:44:23
Speaker 2: for five Okay, that sounds closer I say Patriots, Like,
1:44:27
Speaker 2: do you remember that year I think I was seventeen,
1:44:30
Speaker 2: when like when Gronk put that hit on tre Davius White. Yeah,
1:44:33
Speaker 2: and everybody was like, just suspend them till the playoffs.
1:44:35
Speaker 2: It's fine, like, you know, we'll have them healthy. But
1:44:38
Speaker 2: they were so banged up on offense at that point.
1:44:41
Speaker 2: They didn't have had home in that year, and it
1:44:43
Speaker 2: was like, no, Like, at a certain point, the logo
1:44:46
Speaker 2: on the helmet doesn't mean anything. Yeah, you actually need
1:44:48
Speaker 2: the players to perform. That's what makes the team good.
1:44:50
Speaker 2: We know that. Now.
1:44:52
Speaker 1: That's kind of how I feel about the Niners right now.
1:44:54
Speaker 1: And that's not to say they're bad. I mean, they
1:44:55
Speaker 1: still have a lot of good players, but the Niners
1:44:58
Speaker 1: that this offense, well, they don't have CMC, they don't
1:45:02
Speaker 1: have Debo. Kittle might be playing hurt, Kittle will be
1:45:05
Speaker 1: playing hurt. Trent Williams got hurt last week, came back
1:45:08
Speaker 1: in he was on the injury report with an illness
1:45:09
Speaker 1: where is he at? They're not bad, but they're not
1:45:14
Speaker 1: what that team was. So let's say they had the
1:45:18
Speaker 1: fully loaded offense right at that point, it's just hold
1:45:22
Speaker 1: on for dear life, and we'd be talking a lot
1:45:24
Speaker 1: more about fundamentals and just don't allow good plays to
1:45:27
Speaker 1: become great plays and kind and things like that, because
1:45:29
Speaker 1: there really is no matchup to pick on where they're
1:45:33
Speaker 1: at right now. You can, I think the Patriots do
1:45:37
Speaker 1: have the horses to play some more matchup football with them.
1:45:40
Speaker 1: Right You're gonna put Christians Auce on Brandon Ayuk and
1:45:42
Speaker 1: kind of hope he takes him out there. You got
1:45:45
Speaker 1: to figure out what you're gonna do against Juwan Jennings
1:45:46
Speaker 1: because they This was something we didn't talk about in
1:45:49
Speaker 1: the Jets game that where I think the Patriots did
1:45:51
Speaker 1: get exposed. They somehow got small at corner again and
1:45:55
Speaker 1: we thought they'd fix this. They're small on the boundary.
1:45:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder when talking about this a little bit
1:46:00
Speaker 2: out of practice. I know he had a rough preseason,
1:46:03
Speaker 2: but like Marcella's dial, Isaiah bol.
1:46:06
Speaker 1: Bolden would be the guy that practice. Juwan Jennings big,
1:46:09
Speaker 1: bigger receiver. Yeah, dk Metcalt he's a big guy.
1:46:11
Speaker 2: Yeah. And Bolden's played a little bit inside the slot
1:46:14
Speaker 2: over the summer and Juwan Jennings is going in and out.
1:46:17
Speaker 2: He's like his split is basically right down the middle
1:46:20
Speaker 2: of slot. Bolden to me just a good matchup.
1:46:23
Speaker 1: I give him a look this week, certainly, but you know,
1:46:25
Speaker 1: you got to figure outw you're gonna match up on him.
1:46:26
Speaker 1: But you know, if Trent Williams is out, can you
1:46:29
Speaker 1: use key on white pick on that matchup? Brock Purdy
1:46:32
Speaker 1: has a little more on his shoulders now, Like I
1:46:34
Speaker 1: feel like the Patriots.
1:46:35
Speaker 2: Will have more.
1:46:40
Speaker 1: More of an ability to pick matchups and pick spots
1:46:42
Speaker 1: defensively in this game than they would otherwise because of
1:46:44
Speaker 1: all these injuries.
1:46:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you make a really good point there
1:46:47
Speaker 2: at the end, not to like go on the whole
1:46:48
Speaker 2: party thing, but it does seem just the way he's
1:46:53
Speaker 2: been playing this year, that brock Purdy is feeling that
1:46:57
Speaker 2: there's more on his plate because he doesn't have all
1:47:00
Speaker 2: of the weapons at his disposal. So he ran the
1:47:03
Speaker 2: ball ten times last week. He had ten rush attempts
1:47:06
Speaker 2: against the Rams. They don't that's not how they want
1:47:08
Speaker 2: property to play, Like Kyle Shanahan wants Rock Party to
1:47:11
Speaker 2: sit in the pocket and when I tell you to
1:47:13
Speaker 2: smash be on the controller, you smash b right, Like
1:47:16
Speaker 2: that's how he wants him to play. And right now,
1:47:19
Speaker 2: Party is like extending plays and running and like making
1:47:23
Speaker 2: out his structure throws and like, I don't think that
1:47:25
Speaker 2: that's what they want him to do, but because of
1:47:27
Speaker 2: the injuries to the playmakers, they don't really have a choice.
1:47:30
Speaker 2: If you're the Patriots, that's the one thing that you
1:47:33
Speaker 2: might be able to take advantage of is if Party's
1:47:36
Speaker 2: going to try to be the best athlete on the field, right,
1:47:39
Speaker 2: you might be able to get him sent key on
1:47:41
Speaker 2: white after Yeah, he might turn the ball over a
1:47:43
Speaker 2: couple times. That's what happened against Minnesota. He had two
1:47:45
Speaker 2: turnovers in that game, one fumble in one interception because
1:47:49
Speaker 2: he's trying to do a little bit too much fumble problems.
1:47:51
Speaker 1: That's been a thing going back to Iowa State with him.
1:47:53
Speaker 1: If you can look, he rarely gets hit in the
1:47:55
Speaker 1: pocket because as a runner, he doesn't have fumble problems.
1:47:58
Speaker 2: Let me be clear about that.
1:47:59
Speaker 1: He's actually pretty good at I think sliding, getting down,
1:48:02
Speaker 1: getting out of bounds, taking care of himself. Going back
1:48:04
Speaker 1: to Iowa State, he had some trouble with like stripsacks
1:48:07
Speaker 1: or just holding onto the ball through contact in the pocket.
1:48:10
Speaker 2: He has Trent Williams.
1:48:11
Speaker 1: He has that offensive line that hasn't been something he's
1:48:13
Speaker 1: dealt with a ton in the NFL. If you're the Patriots,
1:48:16
Speaker 1: you may be able to capitalize on that this week.
1:48:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. So moving over to the defense. Yeah, their defensive
1:48:21
Speaker 2: coordinator is somebody whose name I've fumbled all week long
1:48:24
Speaker 2: because that's how little I know of him before this week.
1:48:27
Speaker 2: Nick Sorenson is their defensive coordinator. He is a Pete
1:48:32
Speaker 2: Carroll guy. He came from the Seahawks, was there for
1:48:35
Speaker 2: years with Seattle. Is now in San Francisco. So he
1:48:39
Speaker 2: grew up in the Seattle three system, right. He grew
1:48:41
Speaker 2: up in the Legion of Boom and the zone in
1:48:44
Speaker 2: the zone system and rush four, drop seven, play cover three,
1:48:48
Speaker 2: play Mabel, like all that kind of stuff. Brandon Staley
1:48:51
Speaker 2: is also there, which I know you're gonna pick at.
1:48:53
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's where some of these problems are
1:48:55
Speaker 1: coming from. To a less roster in the league and
1:48:57
Speaker 1: suddenly you're one and two it's a little Matt Patricia,
1:49:00
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, it's a little bit. It's a little Napatrischy.
1:49:03
Speaker 1: You were never a stately guy though, either Like, no,
1:49:06
Speaker 1: you admit that he's not a head coach.
1:49:08
Speaker 2: No, he had some good game plans defensively when he
1:49:11
Speaker 2: was with the Chargers. He had a really good game
1:49:14
Speaker 2: plan for Miami. That team started to copy like a
1:49:16
Speaker 2: blueprint with the Dolphins. But not in terms of like
1:49:19
Speaker 2: being a head coach in the league anyways. Defensively, they
1:49:24
Speaker 2: have played a lot more man coverage this year. They're
1:49:27
Speaker 2: up nine percent in terms of their man coverage rate
1:49:29
Speaker 2: this year compared to last year. So one of the
1:49:32
Speaker 2: things that I do think the Patriots can exploit that
1:49:35
Speaker 2: the Rams did. The Rams just put two to two
1:49:38
Speaker 2: at well into foot races. Run run across the field
1:49:42
Speaker 2: this way, and then run across the field that way,
1:49:44
Speaker 2: and every once in a while, we're gonna send you
1:49:46
Speaker 2: a vertical right, and he just ran you know, five eight,
1:49:50
Speaker 2: one fifty five with the four to three nine. Kind
1:49:53
Speaker 2: of sounds a little bit like Tomorio Douglas, right, you know,
1:49:56
Speaker 2: similar kind of players at Wells a little bit bigger
1:49:59
Speaker 2: in terms of length and like you know, just catch
1:50:01
Speaker 2: radius and stuff like that, but pretty similar for the
1:50:05
Speaker 2: most part. So if they get them into man to
1:50:08
Speaker 2: man coverage, McVeigh spammed the crossers against man to man
1:50:12
Speaker 2: and they got him on a bunch of those you know,
1:50:15
Speaker 2: motion to two at well or shift to two at
1:50:18
Speaker 2: well late into in the in the pre snap, and
1:50:20
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you snap the ball and
1:50:22
Speaker 2: he gets this free release and he's just running across
1:50:24
Speaker 2: the field against man coverage with the free release. Do
1:50:27
Speaker 2: some stuff like that, they but they still for the
1:50:31
Speaker 2: most part, are a zone defense. They still play a
1:50:33
Speaker 2: lot of Mabel coverage, which is a Cover three variation
1:50:38
Speaker 2: where the backside defender, the Richard Sherman, he's gonna be
1:50:41
Speaker 2: locked into the X receiver in man to man coverage
1:50:44
Speaker 2: and they use Fred Warner to kind of cut off
1:50:47
Speaker 2: the crossers from like the passing strength. I know that's
1:50:50
Speaker 2: very technical, but that's that's Mabel coverage. So they still
1:50:54
Speaker 2: do a lot of that. They still play a lot
1:50:55
Speaker 2: of quarters, you know, four high across the top of
1:50:57
Speaker 2: the defense and that kind of stuff. But my guess
1:51:00
Speaker 2: is is that watching this Jets film from last week
1:51:04
Speaker 2: and knowing the struggles the Patriots had with blitzing, with pressure,
1:51:07
Speaker 2: with all that kind of stuff, I would expect them
1:51:10
Speaker 2: to try to play a lot of man like the
1:51:12
Speaker 2: Jets did, blitz per set a little bit and challenge
1:51:15
Speaker 2: these receivers on the outside to win. And I do
1:51:18
Speaker 2: think that McVeigh gave them some things that they can
1:51:20
Speaker 2: do to get Pop Douglas in particular, some opportunities. And
1:51:24
Speaker 2: I would also say Hunter Henry too on linebackers, like
1:51:27
Speaker 2: they'll give their you know, Devondre Campbell got exposed in
1:51:30
Speaker 2: that game. They'll put linebackers in man coverage as well.
1:51:33
Speaker 2: But it's Warner. I'm probably not throwing the ball that way,
1:51:36
Speaker 2: but it's if it's Devondre Campbell against Hunter Henry, I
1:51:39
Speaker 2: like that matchup.
1:51:40
Speaker 1: I would expect them to turn up the heat. I
1:51:42
Speaker 1: would expect them to turn up the heat on the Patriots.
1:51:44
Speaker 1: Blitz them, forced Kobe to makeset, forced cover set to
1:51:48
Speaker 1: make decisions quickly.
1:51:49
Speaker 2: See how that goes.
1:51:50
Speaker 1: But they're going to test the Patriots ability to pass
1:51:54
Speaker 1: block and just block in general. And I do you
1:51:56
Speaker 1: blame them?
1:51:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I just couple of things with the run
1:52:01
Speaker 2: game for the Patriots we all believe. I think that
1:52:06
Speaker 2: they need to run the ball, and they need to
1:52:07
Speaker 2: get back to that identity of running the ball that
1:52:09
Speaker 2: they had in the first two weeks of the season.
1:52:11
Speaker 2: This forty nine Ers defense is giving a five and
1:52:16
Speaker 2: a half yards per carry against duo runs, gap double
1:52:20
Speaker 2: teams in the interior. Just all you're doing with duo
1:52:24
Speaker 2: is you're creating Usually duo teams will put like seven
1:52:28
Speaker 2: guys across the line of scrimmager eight guys across the
1:52:30
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage, and then you're just creating as many
1:52:33
Speaker 2: double teams on the line of scrimmage as you possibly
1:52:35
Speaker 2: can based off of the defense as alignment. And the
1:52:39
Speaker 2: Rams ran right over this forty nine ers front with
1:52:43
Speaker 2: duo just right at them, right over them. I don't
1:52:46
Speaker 2: think you want to go side to side against Fred
1:52:48
Speaker 2: Warner and Bosa, right Like, that doesn't sound like a
1:52:51
Speaker 2: good idea.
1:52:52
Speaker 1: Don't let those Oh yeah, we're going to test what
1:52:54
Speaker 1: good athletes Boson Warner are they?
1:52:56
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not what you want to be the approach, right,
1:52:59
Speaker 2: So running right downhill with duo at them is a
1:53:02
Speaker 2: way to maybe possibly run the football. I also just
1:53:06
Speaker 2: think the Patriots are best at running duo, so it
1:53:08
Speaker 2: kind of works out in that sense. Kind of getting
1:53:12
Speaker 2: over the outside zone game if you can't tell so duo,
1:53:16
Speaker 2: I think is one way that they might try to
1:53:18
Speaker 2: do that the Browns go. The Browns won a game
1:53:21
Speaker 2: in with PJ Walker against this team last year with
1:53:24
Speaker 2: the Alex Van Pelton Stefanski coaching up PJ Walker our guy,
1:53:28
Speaker 2: and they ran a lot some toss stuff to the
1:53:31
Speaker 2: boundary instead of outside zone. They tried to hit it
1:53:34
Speaker 2: faster to the outside with like cracked toss schemes and
1:53:36
Speaker 2: things like that. Those hit a little bit quicker to
1:53:39
Speaker 2: the perimeter, so you don't let Fred Warner run over
1:53:42
Speaker 2: there as quickly. You know he's coming from the middle
1:53:44
Speaker 2: of the field, and it hits a little bit faster.
1:53:46
Speaker 2: So I would expect him early on in this game
1:53:50
Speaker 2: to run some of those cracked toss plays or some
1:53:52
Speaker 2: of those toss plays to the outside. Even if they don't.
1:53:55
Speaker 2: Freak out if you're the Patriots or as a fan, yeah,
1:53:58
Speaker 2: if those don't work, it's set up that they're gonna
1:54:01
Speaker 2: run it inside hopefully, right like that. That's what I'm
1:54:04
Speaker 2: hoping for is the Browns also mixed in one reverse
1:54:09
Speaker 2: that went for an explosive in that game too, to
1:54:12
Speaker 2: also get something going horizontal and getting outside the tackle.
1:54:16
Speaker 2: So early on in this game, I hit him with
1:54:18
Speaker 2: a reverse, hit him with the toss, hit him with
1:54:21
Speaker 2: something outside, just to get them thinking about that. And
1:54:23
Speaker 2: that's when you start to run it up the middle
1:54:25
Speaker 2: and start to gash them up the middle. That that's
1:54:27
Speaker 2: what I hope is the plan. This is one of
1:54:29
Speaker 2: those games where Van Pelt literally has a blueprint from
1:54:33
Speaker 2: last year with the Browns of how to run the
1:54:35
Speaker 2: football with a limited quarterback like he literally did it
1:54:38
Speaker 2: a year ago. So obviously execution is big, but there
1:54:42
Speaker 2: is something there for them. Is there anything else on
1:54:44
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers? I wanted to get to Bosa Bosa.
1:54:50
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Trey Jacobs one on one
1:54:52
Speaker 2: with Nick Bosa in this game, not once, not once.
1:54:56
Speaker 2: Leave the tight end and over there. I'm even willing
1:54:59
Speaker 2: to go six a line and put two linemen on
1:55:02
Speaker 2: him because that it's that bad of a mismatch. If
1:55:05
Speaker 2: you're gonna try, if you know you're gonna try to
1:55:07
Speaker 2: push the ball down a field on the play, just
1:55:09
Speaker 2: go tackle eligible and put two linemen over him. You know,
1:55:12
Speaker 2: I put two guys over there. This has got to
1:55:14
Speaker 2: be And this is another one of those coaching staff
1:55:17
Speaker 2: things I'm gonna be looking for. Bill Belichick in his
1:55:21
Speaker 2: time with the Patriots used to have some really unique
1:55:24
Speaker 2: game plans for players that he thought were truly like
1:55:28
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame elite guys.
1:55:29
Speaker 1: He would call them game wreckers, and Drawn Mayo used
1:55:32
Speaker 1: that term today.
1:55:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember when they played Tony Gonzalez years
1:55:35
Speaker 2: ago and they like jammed them. Ke to Lee was
1:55:38
Speaker 2: on him the entire game. Yeah, it was like it
1:55:41
Speaker 2: was literally like he was a gunner on special teams
1:55:43
Speaker 2: and they just jammed him immediately with two guys off
1:55:46
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. That's what I'm looking at this week.
1:55:49
Speaker 2: Obviously in the reverse with Nick Bosa, Like you can't
1:55:52
Speaker 2: let Nick Bosa take over this game. You just if
1:55:55
Speaker 2: you do, in my opinion, going back to our whole
1:55:57
Speaker 2: debate about the line versus the play calling, if you
1:56:00
Speaker 2: let Nick Bosa take over this game, I'm going to
1:56:02
Speaker 2: point the finger at the coaching I'm not going to
1:56:04
Speaker 2: point the finger at Trey Jacobs. It's not his fault
1:56:06
Speaker 2: that he can't block Nick Bosa. I'm going to point
1:56:08
Speaker 2: the finger at a VP and the coaching staff if
1:56:10
Speaker 2: that happens. Is there anything else on the on the
1:56:13
Speaker 2: Niners you wanted to get to you Before you take
1:56:15
Speaker 2: these last few things and wrap it up.
1:56:17
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what happens if the Patriots are
1:56:18
Speaker 1: down ten to fourteen points in the fourth quarter. And
1:56:20
Speaker 1: I don't say that's to poke the needle at you,
1:56:22
Speaker 1: like I really mean it. This is something that the
1:56:24
Speaker 1: Niners have struggled with. They struggle to close out games.
1:56:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they want to close I'm sure if you're
1:56:29
Speaker 2: saying Drake may or you were saying that, I wasn't
1:56:31
Speaker 2: sure me.
1:56:32
Speaker 1: Well, that would be interesting if it's straight May but
1:56:33
Speaker 1: because you still obviously have to score to close the gap.
1:56:35
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Niners want to close out games throwing
1:56:39
Speaker 1: the ball. They don't want to close out games running
1:56:41
Speaker 1: the ball. That seems to be exacerbated without Christian McCaffrey.
1:56:45
Speaker 1: Now they don't know some of their top pass catching
1:56:46
Speaker 1: options either. But if you have to admit at this
1:56:50
Speaker 1: point it's a thing.
1:56:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's between it and nine after the game Sunday.
1:56:54
Speaker 2: Close out.
1:56:55
Speaker 1: Now, it's one thing to close out the Chiefs or
1:56:58
Speaker 1: the Rams. It's another thing that close out this Patriots team,
1:57:01
Speaker 1: but they can't close out these games. And if the
1:57:04
Speaker 1: Patriots keep it close, like, you have to feel good
1:57:06
Speaker 1: about that. If you're the Patriots, that we're in a
1:57:08
Speaker 1: ten point game against a team that just puked all
1:57:10
Speaker 1: over itself last week in this exact same.
1:57:14
Speaker 2: Sounds like a big deficit. But if you're down three
1:57:16
Speaker 2: or down one score, let's call it, then I would well.
1:57:19
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like towards the end of the third quarter,
1:57:21
Speaker 1: if it's.
1:57:21
Speaker 2: Ten, yeah, I just don't know if the Patriots offensively,
1:57:24
Speaker 2: So that's why it's different.
1:57:25
Speaker 1: But again, you gotta you gotta feel good about that
1:57:27
Speaker 1: if you're the Patriots, and I'll be interesting to see
1:57:29
Speaker 1: what happened.
1:57:29
Speaker 2: Like the Rams and Stafford doing it is one thing,
1:57:32
Speaker 2: the Patriots doing it is another. I hear.
1:57:35
Speaker 1: I am acknowledging that, but I'm saying, like, yeah, you know,
1:57:38
Speaker 1: if it's yeah, if it's a one score game going
1:57:39
Speaker 1: to the fourth quarter, fine.
1:57:41
Speaker 2: So it's a problem, and this is a first world problem,
1:57:45
Speaker 2: Like they're not going to win the Super Bowl because
1:57:47
Speaker 2: of this problem. But them closing out games is a problem.
1:57:50
Speaker 2: I know, that there probably are numbers to back you up,
1:57:54
Speaker 2: but they get too far away from the running game. Uh,
1:57:57
Speaker 2: their their past game execution really suffers, and crunch time
1:58:00
Speaker 2: as well, which is my point. Run the ball.
1:58:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not talking about when they're down, talking abou
1:58:05
Speaker 1: when they're up.
1:58:06
Speaker 2: This is a team.
1:58:07
Speaker 1: Remember how I came in leading into the Seahawks game
1:58:10
Speaker 1: and said, you're not gonna be able to take this
1:58:11
Speaker 1: team to the hill as easily as he took the
1:58:13
Speaker 1: Bengals to the hill. Yeah, if the Patriots put themselves
1:58:16
Speaker 1: in position, that's a big if. But if the Patriots
1:58:19
Speaker 1: put themselves in position, the Niners are a team you
1:58:22
Speaker 1: can absolutely take to the hill.
1:58:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with you. I
1:58:27
Speaker 2: can't disagree with you until he proves otherwise. It hurts me,
1:58:30
Speaker 2: you can tell it hurts me that I have to
1:58:32
Speaker 2: be critical of Kyle Shanahan in this way. My instinct
1:58:39
Speaker 2: with all this has always been that when they get
1:58:43
Speaker 2: into these tight games, and I'm not talking about against
1:58:45
Speaker 2: the Patriots on Sunday, I'm talking about good against good teams,
1:58:48
Speaker 2: but I'm.
1:58:48
Speaker 1: Saying, if you're the Patriots, like you have to have
1:58:50
Speaker 1: that approach of like, these guys can be had in
1:58:51
Speaker 1: this situation, Yeah, regardless of if the teams that had
1:58:54
Speaker 1: them are better than you.
1:58:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Just in general though, like talking about the Chiefs
1:58:58
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl right rams last week, like these
1:59:01
Speaker 2: types of games sometimes, what I feel like with the
1:59:05
Speaker 2: forty nine ers and why I get on brock party
1:59:07
Speaker 2: in defense of Kyle Shanahan is because in order to
1:59:13
Speaker 2: win the games at the highest level, again not the
1:59:16
Speaker 2: Patriots on Sunday, but the Super Bowl last year, in
1:59:19
Speaker 2: order to win the game at the highest level against
1:59:22
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes and that the bully that
1:59:26
Speaker 2: is Kansas City right now, you need to have a
1:59:30
Speaker 2: quarterback and have a passing game that rises to that occasion,
1:59:34
Speaker 2: like the Super Bowl. First time they lost in the
1:59:36
Speaker 2: Super Bowl to the Chiefs with Kyle Shanahan, it's Jimmy
1:59:40
Speaker 2: Garoppolo overthrowing Emmanuel Sanders for a walk in touchdown. This
1:59:44
Speaker 2: Super Bowl last year, it's the blitz packages from Spagnolo
1:59:48
Speaker 2: that get to party and he's Frazzles.
1:59:50
Speaker 1: Goes back to my point, why can't you just run
1:59:53
Speaker 1: the ball and kill the clock. You don't need a
1:59:56
Speaker 1: passing game. You need a pass game to get there
1:59:58
Speaker 1: and get that lead?
2:00:00
Speaker 2: How many of like? And I don't want to go ten,
2:00:03
Speaker 2: you know, twelve rounds with you about Kyle Shanahan. But
2:00:05
Speaker 2: it is forty nine ers week, so we have the
2:00:07
Speaker 2: house or what the people want?
2:00:09
Speaker 5: Uh.
2:00:10
Speaker 2: The biggest thing I would say about that, though, is
2:00:13
Speaker 2: that a lot of these things happen and it's like,
2:00:16
Speaker 2: what are you on third and eight? You want him
2:00:18
Speaker 2: to run the ball, Like a lot of these.
2:00:20
Speaker 1: Things this great running attack. Why are they getting a
2:00:22
Speaker 1: third and eight? They're getting the third and eight.
2:00:24
Speaker 2: Because the other team gets paid too well.
2:00:27
Speaker 1: No, but a lot of it is either incomplete passes.
2:00:29
Speaker 1: They're throwing the ball in their sacks and there's penalties
2:00:31
Speaker 1: and things like that. They don't run the ball when
2:00:36
Speaker 1: they should late as much as they should late in
2:00:38
Speaker 1: these games, the clock is a non factor Kyle Shanahan.
2:00:41
Speaker 1: It seems like to me his philosophy is just score
2:00:44
Speaker 1: as many points as possible.
2:00:46
Speaker 2: Period.
2:00:47
Speaker 1: And that's not to say NFL teams shouldn't be trying
2:00:49
Speaker 1: to score points. But if you're up two scores and
2:00:54
Speaker 1: get you have a chance to take two and a
2:00:56
Speaker 1: half minutes off the clock with five minutes to go,
2:01:00
Speaker 1: scoring points is not the most important thing in that moment,
2:01:03
Speaker 1: and that is what I think escapes them.
2:01:05
Speaker 2: My third and eight.
2:01:07
Speaker 1: Honestly, in some of these situations, and I said this
2:01:09
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, maybe run it. Maybe picking up
2:01:12
Speaker 1: you also have an all world defense over there. Maybe
2:01:15
Speaker 1: if it is. And they did this last week. They
2:01:18
Speaker 1: threw like a deep pass on a third I don't
2:01:20
Speaker 1: remember the exact situation, but they do it. They threw
2:01:22
Speaker 1: a d pass on a third down late in the
2:01:25
Speaker 1: game when it's like if you run the ball here,
2:01:28
Speaker 1: even if you don't get the first they either have
2:01:30
Speaker 1: to take a time out or it was under three
2:01:33
Speaker 1: minutes to go, Like they're putting themselves seriously up against
2:01:36
Speaker 1: it and getting down the field for this last score.
2:01:38
Speaker 1: And this is where we disagree. I think your philosophy
2:01:41
Speaker 1: is just light up the scoreboard and all that and
2:01:43
Speaker 1: control the ball. My philosophy in that moment is take
2:01:47
Speaker 1: the time off the clock may put put them. You're
2:01:51
Speaker 1: putting yourself in an uncomfortable spot. Trying to pick up
2:01:53
Speaker 1: a third and eight is an uncomfortable spot.
2:01:55
Speaker 2: At some point you have to play the clock.
2:01:57
Speaker 1: You can you can flip it on them and maybe
2:01:59
Speaker 1: maybe you're not gonna get it, but if you accept,
2:02:00
Speaker 1: we're probably not gonna pick this up. But we can
2:02:03
Speaker 1: make them go down the field with either one less
2:02:04
Speaker 1: timeout or forty less seconds on the clock. I'll put
2:02:08
Speaker 1: the onus on them to be uncomfortable. And I just
2:02:10
Speaker 1: don't think Kyle Shannyan believes in that approach, and it
2:02:13
Speaker 1: continues to cost him, and unless he's willing to invest
2:02:16
Speaker 1: in a truly elite quarterback, it is going to continue
2:02:18
Speaker 1: to cost him.
2:02:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a big part of it. I
2:02:22
Speaker 2: can't I can't run away from from the fact that
2:02:25
Speaker 2: they keep on choking games late in the game. It's
2:02:27
Speaker 2: it's just a fact. The thing with with Shanahan is that,
2:02:32
Speaker 2: And to your point, when they sometimes he goes for
2:02:36
Speaker 2: the haymaker, like he goes for the knockout punch. He
2:02:40
Speaker 2: did it it all going all the way back to
2:02:42
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty one against the Patriots, yep, where he's
2:02:45
Speaker 2: throwing the ball in those positions because they were what
2:02:48
Speaker 2: right before the sack that kicked that sacked them out
2:02:51
Speaker 2: of field goal range. Julio Jones makes the catch on
2:02:54
Speaker 2: the sideline, the insane catch that he makes on the sideline.
2:02:57
Speaker 2: They're in field goal range and all they have to
2:03:00
Speaker 2: do is run the ball and just kick a field goal,
2:03:02
Speaker 2: and I think they would have gone up like ten
2:03:03
Speaker 2: points or something like that, ten points like fourn A score. Right.
2:03:07
Speaker 2: He goes for the knockout and matt Ryan takes a
2:03:10
Speaker 2: sack and a sack that pushes them out a field
2:03:14
Speaker 2: goal range. I think there was a holding call in
2:03:16
Speaker 2: there on Jake Matthews too. The same thing happens in
2:03:21
Speaker 2: the next Super Bowl against the Chiefs, where he goes
2:03:24
Speaker 2: for the knockout punch, He calls a deep pass, gets
2:03:28
Speaker 2: a wide open Emmanuel Sanders, and Jimmy G misses a throw. Now,
2:03:32
Speaker 2: an apologist for Shanahan like me, is gonna sit here
2:03:35
Speaker 2: and say, well, if Jimmy G didn't stink, then they
2:03:38
Speaker 2: would have scored a touchdown there and they would have
2:03:40
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl.
2:03:41
Speaker 1: And I will say, who made Jimmy G the starting
2:03:44
Speaker 1: quarterback and who decided to let him throw in that situation?
2:03:49
Speaker 2: There we go that this is our delight. That's what
2:03:51
Speaker 2: it comes down to.
2:03:52
Speaker 1: The game the other day, By the way I found
2:03:55
Speaker 1: the play, it wasn't even a third and long.
2:03:56
Speaker 2: It was a third and one, so I don't know
2:03:58
Speaker 2: which play. We might be talking about two different plays
2:04:01
Speaker 2: the game. The other day they called a pass play.
2:04:04
Speaker 2: I believe it was third down or it was it
2:04:06
Speaker 2: might have just been late in the game and it
2:04:08
Speaker 2: could have basically a first down would have ended the
2:04:11
Speaker 2: game effectively. And he called a pass play, and the
2:04:16
Speaker 2: I think it was. Is it David Bell like one?
2:04:19
Speaker 2: Here it is?
2:04:19
Speaker 1: I found it, So it's Ronnie Bell Sonny. They they
2:04:23
Speaker 1: get the they pick up a first down on a
2:04:26
Speaker 1: traces the two minute warning. Okay, so they the the
2:04:28
Speaker 1: Rams kicked the field goal to get within three. The
2:04:32
Speaker 1: Niners get the ball back with one fifty one to go,
2:04:35
Speaker 1: so the two minute warning is gone. Yeah, the two
2:04:38
Speaker 1: minute warning has gone. The Rams have one time out left.
2:04:41
Speaker 1: Here's what they do, pass play Brock Party Scramble, goes
2:04:45
Speaker 1: out of bounds. Well that's about that's okay, but they
2:04:48
Speaker 1: call he called a pass play pass play complete to
2:04:52
Speaker 1: Brandon Nyuk. Pass play incomplete short left, Brandon Nyuk, pass
2:04:58
Speaker 1: play deep right, Ronnie l on second and ten. On
2:05:02
Speaker 1: the third and ten, they call another pass play Party scrambles.
2:05:05
Speaker 1: This time he goes down and bounds the Rams use
2:05:07
Speaker 1: their final time out. If you just run the ball there,
2:05:12
Speaker 1: game's over.
2:05:12
Speaker 2: Okay, so the game's over or sorry, So I think
2:05:15
Speaker 2: the game is the game is Also that's when it
2:05:17
Speaker 2: was tied.
2:05:18
Speaker 1: That's when it so they weren't down, that's when it
2:05:20
Speaker 1: was tied. So he's trying to go down the field
2:05:21
Speaker 1: to kick the winning field goal. But at a certain
2:05:23
Speaker 1: point he'd understand, like, we can't give the ball back.
2:05:25
Speaker 2: So Ronnie Bell, the wide receiver, is why they open
2:05:30
Speaker 2: in on that throw. Perdy puts it on his hands
2:05:34
Speaker 2: and the dude drops the ball, yeap. And because it's
2:05:38
Speaker 2: the same thing as the Emmanuel Sanders overthrow, right Like,
2:05:40
Speaker 2: it's the same thing as as all these other instances
2:05:43
Speaker 2: where someone who's team Shanahan like me can sit here
2:05:46
Speaker 2: and say, well, if the cock the receiver just catches
2:05:49
Speaker 2: the ball, then we're not talking about this. And you
2:05:51
Speaker 2: are saying, well, why make the receiver catch the ball?
2:05:53
Speaker 1: Right they it's just don't put yourself in that situation.
2:05:56
Speaker 1: The receivers keep not catching the ball. Julio Jones made
2:05:59
Speaker 1: that unbelieve once in a lifetime catch, and it's like
2:06:02
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan saw that and said, this will happen every
2:06:05
Speaker 1: time the dude.
2:06:06
Speaker 2: The dude's unlucky. That's what you're saying. That's okay. We
2:06:09
Speaker 2: make our own luck in this world. His luckill, crew, We.
2:06:13
Speaker 1: Make our own luck in this world. Evan, all right,
2:06:14
Speaker 1: so does Kyle Shannon.
2:06:15
Speaker 2: Let's take Mark's call and then we got to get
2:06:17
Speaker 2: out of here. Mark, what's going on? How you doing?
2:06:21
Speaker 3: Hey?
2:06:21
Speaker 6: You guys.
2:06:21
Speaker 5: Always appreciated you guys taking my call.
2:06:24
Speaker 2: Yep.
2:06:26
Speaker 5: So I was on with Mike Reese the other day
2:06:29
Speaker 5: on ninety eight five in Sports so and I got
2:06:32
Speaker 5: some good intel on him on a kid that I'm
2:06:35
Speaker 5: really interested in, Caleb Jones.
2:06:39
Speaker 6: I said, you.
2:06:39
Speaker 5: Can't teach side. The kid's a left tackle. I'm wondering,
2:06:42
Speaker 5: why isn't he out there? He's been on the team
2:06:44
Speaker 5: now for a couple of weeks. So we picked up
2:06:46
Speaker 5: off the wave a wire and the only thing I
2:06:49
Speaker 5: can think of is his feet work?
2:06:52
Speaker 6: You know, what is it about this kid?
2:06:53
Speaker 5: And I figured i'd ask you, Weven, because you're at
2:06:55
Speaker 5: practice all the time. I mean, is this kid legit?
2:06:57
Speaker 6: Like he's got the five?
2:06:59
Speaker 4: Why isn't he out there?
2:07:01
Speaker 2: Uh? Because he just has size? Mark and I don't
2:07:04
Speaker 2: mean to be snarky with you, and thank you so
2:07:06
Speaker 2: much for the call. But he's he's a big body,
2:07:10
Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. Other than that, on tape,
2:07:14
Speaker 2: he doesn't show much outside of just being Trent Brown massive.
2:07:20
Speaker 2: You know, like I get it, we all it's I
2:07:23
Speaker 2: made the joke the other day. It's it's like an eclipse, right,
2:07:26
Speaker 2: you just think, just put big dude in front of quarterback. Right.
2:07:30
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to pick on Mark. I understand
2:07:33
Speaker 2: where the philosophy, but on film he doesn't show much.
2:07:37
Speaker 1: You're talking to somebody who wanted to see tackle fall
2:07:39
Speaker 1: get a lot more minutes for the Boston Celtics a
2:07:41
Speaker 1: few years ago. Because he can't teach size. You're you're
2:07:43
Speaker 1: big on that in basketball, you can't, Yeah, you can't
2:07:46
Speaker 1: your rebound like put the seven foot three guy under
2:07:49
Speaker 1: the hoop basketballs.
2:07:51
Speaker 2: It must. It must drive you nuts that Christaps Porzingis
2:07:53
Speaker 2: hangs out of the three point line. It must.
2:07:55
Speaker 1: I severely underestimated Chris tops porzing is his game because
2:07:58
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I realized earlier he was as good exactly,
2:08:02
Speaker 1: I didn't realize he was as good on No ideally
2:08:04
Speaker 1: you get a seven to three guy that can do everything.
2:08:05
Speaker 1: I didn't realize how well rounded his game was.
2:08:07
Speaker 2: He can do everything.
2:08:08
Speaker 1: When it comes to Caleb Jones, like would I maybe
2:08:12
Speaker 1: try him against or would I maybe try him over
2:08:15
Speaker 1: trade Jacobs because of that size, there's an argument to
2:08:18
Speaker 1: be made now this week, I think it's more about
2:08:19
Speaker 1: speed than size when you're facing a guy like Bosa,
2:08:22
Speaker 1: and I.
2:08:22
Speaker 2: Thought trade Jacobs athletically, Trade Jacobs reminds me, and I
2:08:27
Speaker 2: know this is not like trying to keep it realistic.
2:08:31
Speaker 2: He reminds me a little bit of Calvin Anderson, just
2:08:33
Speaker 2: in terms of his athleticism and like that. Yeah, he
2:08:36
Speaker 2: moves well, like that's sort of like the call mark
2:08:39
Speaker 2: of his game.
2:08:40
Speaker 3: Uh.
2:08:40
Speaker 1: And he bought had some really nice box in the
2:08:42
Speaker 1: preseason in space, you know, getting out in front of
2:08:45
Speaker 1: runs and that that's what you need in the game
2:08:47
Speaker 1: this week, specifically against the forty nine ers. You know,
2:08:49
Speaker 1: I'd like to see I will admit I would like
2:08:52
Speaker 1: to see Caleb Jones get a chance.
2:08:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, but not if Fiderian Low is healthy.
2:08:57
Speaker 1: And this is a tough matchup for him because he's big,
2:08:59
Speaker 1: But that's kind he's big.
2:09:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of the practice squad guys. They have
2:09:04
Speaker 2: been traveling a handful of practice squad guys every single week.
2:09:08
Speaker 2: Some of that might be injury protection, there's no doubt
2:09:11
Speaker 2: about that, but there's also some guys that have just
2:09:13
Speaker 2: been traveling in general.
2:09:14
Speaker 1: And that can be they want guys staying. You know,
2:09:17
Speaker 1: this is what it's like on a game day. This
2:09:19
Speaker 1: is our operation because they want those guys, especially this year.
2:09:22
Speaker 1: We have so many road games early there's not a
2:09:23
Speaker 1: ton of chances to see it. Okay, I didn't mean
2:09:26
Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I assume what you were
2:09:28
Speaker 1: gonna say. Caleb Jones is one of these guys who's
2:09:29
Speaker 1: been traveling. Yeah, that tells me that they are invested
2:09:32
Speaker 1: in his development, where Like it's not off the table
2:09:35
Speaker 1: that he plays at some point.
2:09:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he's a be all end all
2:09:39
Speaker 2: answer it left. Yeah, Caleb Jones, I know Brian Hudson,
2:09:42
Speaker 2: Mike Reeves reported what traveled with the team, Joe Giles, Harris,
2:09:46
Speaker 2: Kevin Harris, like these those guys have been traveling a
2:09:49
Speaker 2: decent amount from the practice squad to the point where,
2:09:52
Speaker 2: you know, I don't get any tips of who's being
2:09:55
Speaker 2: elevated because there's too many guys. So you know, that's
2:09:58
Speaker 2: that's what's going on at that I just really quickly
2:10:03
Speaker 2: is one last question and then we're gonna wrap it
2:10:05
Speaker 2: up here. I've been going for like two hours. Might
2:10:08
Speaker 2: be like the longest show we've done. I know, I know,
2:10:09
Speaker 2: but I think this is a good question. This is
2:10:11
Speaker 2: from Brian. Uh. He says that he understands that people
2:10:17
Speaker 2: are tiptoeing around the David Andrews drop off. I use
2:10:23
Speaker 2: that term. I don't. I don't know if I want to,
2:10:26
Speaker 2: but I did because of who didn't you know, consummate
2:10:29
Speaker 2: pro veteran guy gonna be in the Patriots Hall of Fame.
2:10:33
Speaker 2: I would assume someday a really good player for this team. Uh,
2:10:38
Speaker 2: but you know, he Brian says, don't be afraid to
2:10:42
Speaker 2: talk about the fact that he hasn't played as well
2:10:47
Speaker 2: this season. His past protection has dropped off a little bit.
2:10:51
Speaker 2: These last two years really started last year where he's
2:10:55
Speaker 2: dropped off in pass pro. He still grades out really
2:10:57
Speaker 2: well in the run game, but pro has been a
2:11:00
Speaker 2: little bit down. I would say the last two years
2:11:03
Speaker 2: the one defense because you got a defending guy like Dkay,
2:11:07
Speaker 2: the one defense I would say with David Andrews is
2:11:09
Speaker 2: that if he had stable guard play right, Like, how
2:11:12
Speaker 2: much of this is that David Andrews is in the
2:11:14
Speaker 2: middle of this line and just holding on for here.
2:11:16
Speaker 1: He asked to do so much. Yea, Look, I'm not
2:11:19
Speaker 1: gonna say he's the player who was in his prime.
2:11:21
Speaker 2: He's not.
2:11:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, there has been a notable
2:11:24
Speaker 1: dip there. But I let's see him in the again,
2:11:28
Speaker 1: Let's see him with actual talent around him.
2:11:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if he has like City and Anu right
2:11:33
Speaker 2: next to him for like eight games down the stretch
2:11:35
Speaker 2: this year and they aren't a good interior, then I
2:11:39
Speaker 2: would start to have questions about you're drafting his successor,
2:11:43
Speaker 2: which I would probably do that anyway. But yeah, Yeah.
2:11:45
Speaker 1: The other thing about David Andrews, which is I don't
2:11:49
Speaker 1: want to say it's a reason not to criticize him,
2:11:51
Speaker 1: but almost makes his performance a moot point. Yeah, they
2:11:54
Speaker 1: don't have another center on the roster now, but Brian
2:11:57
Speaker 1: Hudson might be their backup center. Bryan Hudson, who is
2:12:00
Speaker 1: a rookie who's never played an NFL game, who we
2:12:02
Speaker 1: don't really know about, wasn't with the team in camp
2:12:05
Speaker 1: and Nick Leverett who's guard. So even if David Andrews
2:12:08
Speaker 1: isn't playing well, it's gonna have to be really, really
2:12:12
Speaker 1: ugly before it becomes worthwhile to make a change. And
2:12:14
Speaker 1: again that's not necessarily in defense of him. Maybe goes
2:12:17
Speaker 1: back to Elliott Wolf again, but.
2:12:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, about time with knowing what is David Andrews' fault
2:12:25
Speaker 2: and what is it the fault of you know, he's
2:12:28
Speaker 2: got a rookie guard on run side and Laden Robinson
2:12:30
Speaker 2: he's got a revolving door or like a practice squad
2:12:33
Speaker 2: elevation at left guard, and we did like, well, how
2:12:36
Speaker 2: much of it is just that the line is a mess,
2:12:38
Speaker 2: and how much of it is d and.
2:12:39
Speaker 1: We and we and again we have an opportunity to say,
2:12:42
Speaker 1: even if it is Andrews and I I generally default
2:12:44
Speaker 1: to saying, you know, if there's a miscommunication, I assume
2:12:47
Speaker 1: David Andrews was right, and I think he's earned that right.
2:12:49
Speaker 1: But even if he is struggling, you know, we can
2:12:52
Speaker 1: look at We could look at Chukes of Corp for
2:12:54
Speaker 1: it and say, okay, play and play Caden Walls. We
2:12:56
Speaker 1: can look at it at Leidon Robinson struggling and say Okay,
2:13:00
Speaker 1: City Soul.
2:13:01
Speaker 2: Will come back or play Michael Jordan.
2:13:03
Speaker 1: You really can't do that with David Andrews because maybe
2:13:07
Speaker 1: if Jake Andrews was healthy, but he's not, so you
2:13:10
Speaker 1: can't have that conversation.
2:13:11
Speaker 2: We're leaven with the date we brought on that one.
2:13:14
Speaker 2: He's the center and then we're going I don't feel
2:13:16
Speaker 2: it's not a bad center.
2:13:17
Speaker 1: No, And I don't fault them for that. Everybody knows
2:13:19
Speaker 1: how I feel about the left tackle situation. Yeah, that
2:13:22
Speaker 1: one's coming from a mile away. I don't fault them
2:13:25
Speaker 1: for trying to bank on. If I'm going to bank
2:13:26
Speaker 1: on a guide, I'll go down banking on David Andrews.
2:13:29
Speaker 1: I have no problem with that. I'll sleep fine at
2:13:32
Speaker 1: night knowing I put my trust in that guy.
2:13:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we just went two plus hours. I think
2:13:36
Speaker 2: I'm gonna because how could we not get bogged down
2:13:40
Speaker 2: by a Kyle shanahana baby.
2:13:41
Speaker 1: We didn't even get into you being a Morgan Wallen fan.
2:13:45
Speaker 2: Now, I don't even know why that's a thing, because
2:13:48
Speaker 2: I said I liked one song.
2:13:50
Speaker 1: Guy, No, that's not how you said it. You're you're
2:13:53
Speaker 1: you're I'm constructing the tape.
2:13:55
Speaker 2: I I in my older age, my music taste is
2:13:58
Speaker 2: shifting slightly, and nowadays I want some like chill music
2:14:03
Speaker 2: to listen to. And uh, post Malone is now a
2:14:06
Speaker 2: country singer. Apparently, I feel a little bit better about
2:14:09
Speaker 2: listening to post Malone because it's rap adjacent, because he
2:14:12
Speaker 2: used to be a hip hop artist. So I feel
2:14:14
Speaker 2: it a little bit. So you're dipping your.
2:14:16
Speaker 1: Toe in and that's fine. And I'm sitting here offering
2:14:19
Speaker 1: to help you on this journey. You say you want
2:14:21
Speaker 1: chill music.
2:14:21
Speaker 2: I'm more than.
2:14:22
Speaker 1: Help me, help you, evan, help me help you only
2:14:26
Speaker 1: go on post Malone.
2:14:27
Speaker 2: See you say that, but you would have never even.
2:14:29
Speaker 1: Gone post Malone a year ago. And now you're just
2:14:32
Speaker 1: just I'm here. I'm here when you're ready to talk, Okay.
2:14:35
Speaker 1: I will help you on this journey. I will help
2:14:37
Speaker 1: open up a whole new musical world for you. Morgan Walland,
2:14:40
Speaker 1: by the way, is a pretty extreme what way her cultured?
2:14:44
Speaker 2: In that one song I can post to, I do
2:14:48
Speaker 2: not I think you did. I think you did. You
2:14:50
Speaker 2: were surprised by what you I listened to? What's like
2:14:53
Speaker 2: his other big hit, The Couple? I don't know? I
2:14:56
Speaker 2: don't listen to Morgan Wallen. There was one I listened
2:14:59
Speaker 2: to that.
2:15:00
Speaker 1: As long as it wasn't Cover Me Up because that.
2:15:03
Speaker 2: You know me though, I'm like, I like to my
2:15:06
Speaker 2: guilty pleasure is like top forty pop music, like you know,
2:15:09
Speaker 2: like Taylor Swift like that. That's my guilty pleasure and
2:15:12
Speaker 2: I'm I'll admit it. And if Morgan Wallin's on the
2:15:16
Speaker 2: Spotify Top forty playlist and I do listen to that, Okay.
2:15:20
Speaker 1: If you're gonna listen to cover Me Up, listen listen
2:15:22
Speaker 1: to Jason Isbell version and maybe maybe there's a little
2:15:25
Speaker 1: more depth there than you realize. Maybe you go beyond
2:15:27
Speaker 1: the top forty, you find something you like when you're
2:15:29
Speaker 1: ready to have that conversation. I'm here, it's all I'm saying.
2:15:32
Speaker 2: One last thing about this and then we really have
2:15:34
Speaker 2: to go. Uh, Sabrina Carpenter doesn't do it for me.
2:15:38
Speaker 2: You know, I'm like a big girl music artist like
2:15:41
Speaker 2: Ariana Grande back in the day, Taylor Swift. I'll listen
2:15:44
Speaker 2: to that kind of stuff. I really don't see it.
2:15:47
Speaker 1: There's just that one song, Espresso that's everywhere that I've heard. Yeah,
2:15:50
Speaker 1: I get why she's popular. Not my thing, but I
2:15:53
Speaker 1: totally like she's incredibly talented. I very much understand why
2:15:56
Speaker 1: she's popular, A ton of respect for her music.
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