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Movies & Marketing: Double Vision · Presented by Speaking Human

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  Speaker 1: In a world where movies rely on marketing more than
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  Speaker 1: ever to connect with audiences, one podcast aims to make sense.
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  Speaker 2: Of it all.
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  Speaker 1: This is movies and marketing. Next Saturday Night, where's sending
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  Speaker 1: you back.
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  Speaker 2: To the future?
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, make my day, Corbut no.
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  Speaker 2: You're crazy Dutch past.
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  Speaker 1: What we've got here is failure mill Gate.
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  Speaker 2: Take them at where a cross all of pow for
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  Speaker 2: we might as well good time. I am an f
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  Speaker 2: B I agent.
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  Speaker 1: Movies and marketing. Man, it feels like it's been one
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  Speaker 1: hundred years since we've done an episode. I know it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been that long, but it feels that way.
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  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, a million even I don't know just it
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  Speaker 2: was one day, was the summer movie draft, then it's
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  Speaker 2: action one liners, and then you know here we are
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  Speaker 2: a double vision. It's almost the end of the summer.
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have eighty other podcasts that we do, so
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  Speaker 1: it's not fair to say that we haven't been podcasting,
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  Speaker 1: but it definitely feels like movies and marketing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: got the shaft in a way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, we've had some vacation time. You spent
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  Speaker 2: most of July weeping in a corner about your draft decisions.
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  Speaker 2: You know, some of the summer movies you picked maybe
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  Speaker 2: didn't pan out like you'd hoped.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, no one understands.
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  Speaker 2: We've all been there, but you're out of it now,
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  Speaker 2: and we've got a doozy of a show.
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  Speaker 1: It is a bit of a doozy.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to get into actors playing dual roles as
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  Speaker 2: their own brother or sister in movies. Sibling if you will.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, Patrick, actors playing multiple parts in films
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  Speaker 2: has a long and storied history. Thought i'd ask you
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  Speaker 2: a few trivia questions, you know, related to the topic,
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  Speaker 2: just to start things off, to break the ice a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, get everybody warmed up.
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  Speaker 1: I like it. Let's do it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's start here with a little multiple choice question, maybe
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  Speaker 2: a bit challenging. We'll say, can you tell me how
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  Speaker 2: many different roles does actor Johnson George hold the Guinness
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  Speaker 2: World Record for playing in a single movie, that movie
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  Speaker 2: being the twenty eighteen Indian film I'm Gonna Butcher this raw, Najohn.
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  Speaker 2: Here are your choices, which you probably don't even need
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  Speaker 2: because you already know the answer. So Guinness Book of
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  Speaker 2: Role Records Johnson George for playing how many roles in
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  Speaker 2: a single movie? Is it A twenty two, B forty five,
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  Speaker 2: C sixty three or D eighty nine?
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  Speaker 1: How many roles this one guy played?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, remember he's in the Guinness Book of World Records
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  Speaker 2: for this playing most parts in a single movie.
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  Speaker 1: I really honestly don't have any idea because if it's
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  Speaker 1: a Guinness book, I want to say it's probably pretty
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  Speaker 1: high because of the Guinness C or D whatever those
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  Speaker 1: numbers were.
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  Speaker 2: C was sixty three and D was eighty nine.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like the twenty one, the
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  Speaker 1: twenty something, twenty two, Yeah, I feel like that's pretty high,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like they would go over the top
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  Speaker 1: of the Guinness. So let's just say sixty three.
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  Speaker 2: Sixty three is a lot. Yeah, that is not the
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  Speaker 2: correct answer.
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  Speaker 1: Though, Yeah, was it a no twenty two?
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  Speaker 2: You're not going Guinness for twenty two. Anybody could do
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  Speaker 2: twenty two parts. So it's the forty five. It is
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  Speaker 2: B forty five, Okay, that is a lot. That is
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  Speaker 2: a lot of parts in one movie. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Never seen this movie. I don't know if anybody else
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  Speaker 2: has a part in the movie, or if it's just him.
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  Speaker 1: It's just him and he's playing everyone. Yeah, that'd be fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: I would have to watch that movie.
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  Speaker 2: But it's possible with forty five roles. Well, let me
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  Speaker 2: ask you another one here. Let me take you, you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe into American film. Maybe you're more familiar with that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe as you know, you know a lot of these
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  Speaker 2: when people are playing different roles. It's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: makeup visual trickery being used to show kind of multiples
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  Speaker 2: on screen. But sometimes, Patrick, sometimes it's the real deal too.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what nineteen seventy seven movie features real
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  Speaker 2: life hockey playing brothers as the characters. They actually inspired
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  Speaker 2: hockey playing. Yes, nineteen seventy seven movie.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know. It's a hockey movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's a hockey movie.
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  Speaker 1: The Mighty Ducks. I know that's not from seventy seven,
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  Speaker 1: but just not. It's the only movie that I could
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  Speaker 1: think of.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you guessed a hockey movie, so you get
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  Speaker 2: half a point.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks for that.
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  Speaker 2: The movie is slap Shot.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, I do remember the name of that, Paul Newman.
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  Speaker 2: So in that movie, Steve and Jeff Carlson play Steve
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  Speaker 2: and Jeff Hanson. Two thirds of the insanely violent Hanson
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  Speaker 2: brothers in the movie. Now, their older brother, Jack Carlson,
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  Speaker 2: was supposed to play the third Hanson brother in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: but all of them were hockey players and he was
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  Speaker 2: called up by the Jets, the Johnson Jets parent team
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  Speaker 2: at the time, so he was replaced by another member
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  Speaker 2: of the hockey team, the actual hockey team, Dave Hanson.
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  Speaker 2: So two out of the three that were playing brothers
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  Speaker 2: in the movies were actual brothers.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy. Do they all look alike?
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  Speaker 2: They do?
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: I mean in the movie they look you know, they
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  Speaker 2: all wear kind of glasses, they all have kind of
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  Speaker 2: long hair, they all like to beat the crap out
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  Speaker 2: of people, So they seem very similar. And I think
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  Speaker 2: even in real life, these guys would end up in
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  Speaker 2: like the nineties maybe beyond, would go to hockey games
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  Speaker 2: and kind of appear they became like these cultural celebrity figures.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember this movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big, big fan of this movie. Recommend.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, so I'm not doing great.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you didn't do great. That's all I got for you.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, that's it. So I'm basically zero for two.
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  Speaker 2: You're zero for two. But you know, the point wasn't
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  Speaker 2: really to get them right. It was more just you know,
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  Speaker 2: educational for all of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so a little background to people playing multiple roles.
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  Speaker 1: The idea of one actor playing multiple characters or two
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  Speaker 1: characters usually wins or siblings. So this is interesting. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't realize this, but this goes back really to the
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  Speaker 1: early days of film. In the very beginning, filmmakers used
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  Speaker 1: a split screen effect. This is what I think is cool,
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  Speaker 1: like because I've always loved camera trickery. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: this idea of like making something seem like a magic
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  Speaker 1: trick essentially, and the twin feature like of having an
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  Speaker 1: actor play themselves is really that's the epitome of that,
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  Speaker 1: like being able to make one character into two. So
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  Speaker 1: they literally locked the camera in place in the early days,
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  Speaker 1: film one half of the frame with the actor on
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  Speaker 1: one side, and then rewind the film and shoot the
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  Speaker 1: other side. And then because there was no you know,
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  Speaker 1: fancy CGI, they basically just had careful planning that allowed
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  Speaker 1: for this trickery to happen, and hoping the whole time
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  Speaker 1: that the actor didn't accidentally like lean over, you know,
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  Speaker 1: over the line and ruin the shot because then they'd
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  Speaker 1: have to do it all over again. But then like
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  Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties, then we had things like
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  Speaker 1: motion control cameras, you know, the rigs that they put
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  Speaker 1: together that could repeat the exact same movement, the camera
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  Speaker 1: movement twice, and so you could have more dynamic shots
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  Speaker 1: the same actor playing the multiple roles in the same frame.
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  Speaker 1: And then today, you know, clearly we've got the whole
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  Speaker 1: full on digital with compositing and you know, face replacement
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  Speaker 1: and even deep fake effects where you can have the
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  Speaker 1: actor play themselves doing almost anything now, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they've gotten really good. But it is crazy
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  Speaker 2: going back some of the ways they pulled it off,
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  Speaker 2: and people were probably like, you know, you can going
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  Speaker 2: back to like the thirties or something like that, people
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  Speaker 2: are probably blown away by some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even today, like if you think about it, listeners
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  Speaker 1: out there, I'm sure you've probably experienced this. There's some
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  Speaker 1: of these viral sensations in social media where some people
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  Speaker 1: are using the old style of camera trickery to create
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  Speaker 1: these really kind of magic trick esque social reels and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and so it lives on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can call it a gimmick you can call
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  Speaker 2: it a novelty, whatever you want. It doesn't take much, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: even you know, just the simple editing trick of cutting
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  Speaker 2: back and forth between one person having a conversation with themselves,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, where you would show the actor standing
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  Speaker 2: there and then you see somebody wearing a wig so
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  Speaker 2: it looks like the back of their head, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in front of them. Little tricks like that, It works.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it creates the feeling to you that you're
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  Speaker 2: watching that person having a conversation with themselves or interacting
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  Speaker 2: with you know, themselves, or these are two different people.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily take a whole lot to pull this off. Granted,
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  Speaker 2: we've got to the point where people always want to
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  Speaker 2: stretch farther and like, let's you know, let's really have
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  Speaker 2: them do more. Or let's have them like put their
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  Speaker 2: arms around each other, let's have the punch each other.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have them do all this stuff and make it
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  Speaker 2: look real. You know, let's let them see their faces
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  Speaker 2: and uh, it's gotten pretty good. But even these like
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  Speaker 2: little things like just the just the cross cutting back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. You know, if the actor's pulling it off,
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  Speaker 2: you kind of buy into it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you have a really neat story
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  Speaker 1: or a way you're approaching it, it can be something
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  Speaker 1: that's very unique and fun, you know what I mean
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  Speaker 1: for anybody even today. Here's an interesting little tibit. You
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  Speaker 1: gave me a trivia but let me let me ask
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  Speaker 1: you this. Do you know the first known twin trick
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  Speaker 1: in film? Do you know when that was?
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess it's, you know, going back to early film.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it's like nineteen thirty one or you know,
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  Speaker 2: something like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I mean it goes back further eighteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety eight.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, yeah, yeah, that's airly.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the earliest same actor to rule films
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  Speaker 1: was The Corsican Brothers eighteen ninety eight. That was filmed
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  Speaker 1: so really far back. That's what amazes me is like
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  Speaker 1: they thought of that back then, Like I bet I
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  Speaker 1: could do this, you know. The concept is pretty neat, which.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of leads us into how we came up with
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  Speaker 2: this episode. How we got to this idea. We both
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  Speaker 2: recently watched the movie Sinners, which I think we both liked.
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  Speaker 2: Both thought that was a pretty good movie. But when
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about it. You know, I noted it
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  Speaker 2: does something that almost always works for me in movies,
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  Speaker 2: which is this novelty, this gimmick one actor playing twins
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  Speaker 2: or siblings. Almost impossible for that not to be entertaining.
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  Speaker 2: So the seed came from Sinners, which I think pulls
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  Speaker 2: this trick off really well.
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  Speaker 1: It does. It does. It's become so seamless you could
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  Speaker 1: swear that there's two people there that they could be
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  Speaker 1: twin brothers or whatever, especially in that movie. You know,
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  Speaker 1: once upon a time you could always kind of see
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of like they can't cross paths or
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  Speaker 1: they can't you know whatever. But now it's like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, did they duplicate him? Did they clone him?
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  Speaker 2: For that? The way they interact in that movie. The
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  Speaker 2: technology is really good. But you know, the whole kind
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  Speaker 2: of twin idea is an interesting thing one because of
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  Speaker 2: the technical piece of it, you know, how they put
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  Speaker 2: it together, but also kind of the acting piece of it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's a challenging thing because the actor basically
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  Speaker 2: has to give two entirely different performances within one movie,
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  Speaker 2: and then the movie has to pull it off around
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  Speaker 2: them to make you believe it at some point, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, ah, this is this is creative and fun,
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  Speaker 2: and at some point your brain has to let that
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  Speaker 2: idea kind of bubble away and just be like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: these are two characters. Now I'm thinking about for the
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  Speaker 2: ones that do it well?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, because in the end, you know that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be incredibly difficult. Even if in reality they're giving
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  Speaker 1: those on two separate days, you know, they're not really
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  Speaker 1: probably doing it. I don't know. I guess it depends
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  Speaker 1: on the film and the production, but seems like it
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  Speaker 1: would be difficult.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good actually a good question. I wonder
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  Speaker 2: how they do approach this on most films. Is it
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  Speaker 2: like film this whole part first, and then do this
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  Speaker 2: whole part.
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  Speaker 1: Hmmm.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder what the best way to do that is anyway,
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  Speaker 2: Sinners kind of where this started with, you know, Michael B.
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  Speaker 2: Jordan doing the two roles, But that got us thinking
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  Speaker 2: about other movies that have done the twin things and
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  Speaker 2: done it well. So we decided to pull out some
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  Speaker 2: of our favorite we'll call them twin movies. They could
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  Speaker 2: be siblings. They don't have to be twins. They can
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  Speaker 2: be they can look different.
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  Speaker 1: Like Arnold and Danny DeVito that different?
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean they could be. If Arnold was playing
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  Speaker 2: Danny DeVito.
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  Speaker 1: That would be great, or if Danny Davito was playing Arnold.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be fair about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, either way or vice versa, but it has to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the same actor playing the twins, siblings, relatives,
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  Speaker 2: whatever you want to call. So we each kind of
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  Speaker 2: picked two movies, talk a little bit about what's you know, interesting, notable,
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  Speaker 2: what made this movie pop to us? And also touch
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  Speaker 2: on the marketing a little bit. How does the marketing
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  Speaker 2: use the twin angle? Is this a selling point? Is
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  Speaker 2: this something that gets people to the theater? You know,
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  Speaker 2: we'll talk about that a little bit as we go
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  Speaker 2: through these movies. So let's dive in to the cinematic magic. Patrick,
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  Speaker 2: what's your first twin movie?
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't do this episode without Van dam Yes, I
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  Speaker 1: was worried to do this because A I thought maybe
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  Speaker 1: you would choose a Van Damn twin movie, and B
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  Speaker 1: if you did, which one did you pick? Because there's
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  Speaker 1: so many to pick?
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  Speaker 2: How many are there?
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  Speaker 1: I think there's at least three. Okay, there's at least
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  Speaker 1: three movies where he plays his identical twin.
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  Speaker 2: I thought there were only two. I didn't know there
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  Speaker 2: were three.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Double Impacts the one I chose. It's from ninety one.
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  Speaker 1: It was shot in the late eighties. I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: if you knew that. The summary of this is pretty great.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he plays twin brothers separated at birth who
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  Speaker 1: reunite to avenge their parents' death and reclaim their legacy.
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  Speaker 1: That's fantastic. But the box office on this I thought
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  Speaker 1: was pretty good. This was made on a fifteen to
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  Speaker 1: sixteen million dollar budget and it earned thirty million domestically
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  Speaker 1: in about eighty worldwide, So it did really well at
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  Speaker 1: the box office at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a banger too. It's a top three
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  Speaker 2: fandamn movie for me.
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  Speaker 1: Probably the thing about it is it was a very
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  Speaker 1: hard sell on the twins. This is what I liked
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  Speaker 1: the marketing aspect. So the tagline for the movie was
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  Speaker 1: double Van Dams, double the Van Damage, which is ah,
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  Speaker 1: so good, I mean so good. It's probably one of
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  Speaker 1: my all time favorite taglines. I think in marketing it's
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  Speaker 1: got to be up there. I mean, I just love
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  Speaker 1: saying it. I could say it all day. And so
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  Speaker 1: Van Dam in this movie played the twins Chad Wagner
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  Speaker 1: and Alex Wagner, which is also kind of funny because
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  Speaker 1: he is French for you know, the muscles from Brussels,
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  Speaker 1: as they say, but he has like a French accent.
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that he played a Chad and an Alex,
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  Speaker 1: I think, are you know, a little sort of comical
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  Speaker 1: in that way. But good flick. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: watch some splits martial arts.
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  Speaker 2: This is a great pick to kick us off. This
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  Speaker 2: is one of those twin movies too, where they're like
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  Speaker 2: complete opposites mm hm. You know, so they're like total contrasts,
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  Speaker 2: and so one's wearing a leather jacket, one's wearing like
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  Speaker 2: a pink polo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well yeah, he's got like greased back hair, the
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  Speaker 1: leather jacket version. He's the bad villainous kind and the
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  Speaker 1: other guy's kind of a goody two shoes m m
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  Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So you get to see them kind of play off him,
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  Speaker 2: playoff himself, you know, in that way. Also, you know
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  Speaker 2: you mentioned with the technology, this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: ones where he can see the seams in some parts.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you definitely can, and that almost makes it
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  Speaker 2: more enjoyable. In some ways. Now, you know, it's got
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  Speaker 2: that kind of vintage aspect to it. It's also probably
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  Speaker 2: very close to peak Van Damn. It was when he
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  Speaker 2: was like really working his way up the ladder. And
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if like Universal Soldiers the top or
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  Speaker 2: where the top of the ladder is, but it was
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  Speaker 2: probably shortly after this.
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  Speaker 1: That's sort of the reason why the tagline works because
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  Speaker 1: at that time it was all about him. Everybody wanted
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  Speaker 1: double Van dam and they definitely wanted double the Van Damage.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say, can I say the tagline when we're
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  Speaker 1: time in this episode? I feel like I could be
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  Speaker 1: that guy double the Vendem, double the Van Damage.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it just rolls right off the tongue.
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  Speaker 1: So was that on your list?
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: That was not one of the ones I was going
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about. I thought you, I suspected you mind,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: but okay, you know, I just feel like I've been
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: It almost seemed too obvious for me to take it,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: especially since you know, we just did the action movie
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: one liners, and I feel like I had so many
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: like right there, picks off the tree, the low hanging fruit.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I have a slightly long list of honorable mentions. And
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that was like right at the top of that one,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: because I think it is probably when I think of
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: twin movies, probably the one I think of first. You
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: think it holds up if you watch it today. Have
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you tried it's been a little bit. I think I
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: would still enjoy it. I don't know if you got
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: like a twenty year old off the street and showed
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: it to him, if they would be like, this is great.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: The way they film action has changed a lot since
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: that time. You know, it's all like these one take
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: It looks like it's all happening at once now, whereas
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of it back then was like editing tricks
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and stuff like kind of like the MTV style a
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, So I don't know. I don't know
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: how that would go down with today's audiences. So let
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: me take us in a completely different direction, but yet
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: a similar time period. Would you say that was eighty
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: eight or.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Eighty nine, Well, the movie's ninety one.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Ninety one. Okay, Well I'm gonna take us to nineteen
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: eighty eight and something a little more feminine, which the
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: movie is big business. This movie largely forgotten to time,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: but available to stream on Disney Plus Now and a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: moderate hit in its moment. It was the twenty third
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: highest grossing movie of nineteen eighty eight million dollars at
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: the domestic box office. For comparison, the number one movie
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: was Who Framed Roger Rabbit? That made one hundred and
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: fifty six million. But this was a comedy starring Bette
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Middler and Lily Tomlin Patrick. Do you remember this movie
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: at all?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: I can't recall it. I I'm sure I saw it,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: especially because it was right around that time.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: M hm.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: You know, it's one of those things you see it
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and you go, oh, yeah, okay. That's kind of how
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I feel that it would be about that movie.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen this since I was a kid, and
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I suspect it's not very good. But it immediately popped
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: into my mind when we were thinking of twin movies
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: because it uses the actor twin concept not just once,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but twice in the same movie. So we've got both
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Bette Midler and Lily Thompson playing sets of twins in
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: this movie. So there may not be another movie that
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: is more twin forward than this movie. It's really like
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: pushing that novelty on the audience. It's the whole reason
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: basically this movie exists. So the plot of this movie
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: is this, two women give birth to sets of twins
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: in a small town hospital on the same day in
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: the nineteen forties. One's kind of a country resident and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: another is a city commuter who's just passing through. Amidst
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the chaos. The twins get switched at birth by a
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: you know, flustered nurse, so one twin from each family
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: ends up getting paired together. So, you know, one set
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: of twins is raised in the country, one set of
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: twins is raised in the city. They don't find out
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: about each other until forty years later in Hi, Jenson sue, Yeah,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: So that's the basic plot in the idea, the entire movie,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: and the marketing. It's based on the contrast between the
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: two twins, you know, played by two actors again playing
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: two opposite characters, one city, one country. I don't know
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: if you got it, but they're different because ones from
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the city they're all business and ones from the country
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: they're nice and friendly, you know, and there's a lot
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of mistaken identities and things like that. So the poster
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of the movie shows the two twins on opposite sides
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: of a fancy new York City building, revolving door and
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: different outfits. So you got the Lily Tomlin Bent Miller,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: you know, dress nice. They're like business women on this side,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: and you've got the country version. You know, they're in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: their country dresses looking real friendly on the other side.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Clothes are used prominently in the movie to signal the
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: difference between you know, which twin is which, which is
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: often the case in some of these movies, and you
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: can tell them when they like switch clothes or something
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: or wear the same thing. That's when you get like, oh,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I thought you were that twin something like that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which you have to do.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: You you know, you got I thought you were this person.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Why are you acting like this? So the poster has
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: two taglines mixed up at birth two sets of twins
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: finally meet their match. It's no van damage and then
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the other ones. This is more of the actual tagline.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Two's company. Four's a riot a riot, so that is
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: big business. The other thing, you know, they're again really
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: like going hard on the twin aspect. If you watch
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the trailer, the voiceover guy even says, you know, he's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like Bette Midler and Lily Tomlin and Bette Midler and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Lily Tomlin.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Of course, yeah, yeah, and it's eighty eight, so the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: movie guy was pretty prominent in that.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, the voiceover guy is in there.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But you know it's like, hey, two actors playing different characters,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they're opposites. This is going hard. It's going hard on
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: your very I would call it stereotypical movie twins.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I like going back to those movies. So you said
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that's on streaming.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: It is. It's actually I'm surprised to find it streaming
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: on Disney Plus, okay, because I like going back to
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: those for the simple fact of seeing the comedy of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: that time period because it's changed a lot.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But also the things that we take for granted that
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: have changed over the last forty years, the fact that
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: we didn't have phones, you know, they had to like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: go to a payphone to call somebody. The really old
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: person thing inside of me who finds that stuff, I
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: guess nostalgic. It's not like I'm romanticizing and I'm just like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: oh that happened, Yeah, I forgot about that. Oh people
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: smoking in the restaurants everywhere you go, you know, that
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. So I'm sure it's a lot of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that happened in that movie. I'd like to see that again.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, also probably even the general premise in many ways,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know, like something can happen like another town away
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and you don't know about it, you know what I mean.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: They're like completely isolated from this. So you have these
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: another twin and you have just no idea. Yeah, that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: could happen back then.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Could you imagine somebody like posts something on Facebook,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: you know, their kids like, isn't that so and so skid? No,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: this is so and so from down the street. You're like, no,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it's not that's so and So's kid. I know them.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it would just be really hard I feel, like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to not know that person existed a town away. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it's a good pick. Was not on my radar, but
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: now it is so Like all the listeners out there,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: who are man, We've been dying for an episode of
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: movies and marketing and this is what you're giving us,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: big business and double impact? Are you guys? Do you
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: guys do anything unique and different and fun and exciting
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: for your listeners, not for you? Well, every had a
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: really hard time with the second one. I really wanted
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: to pick which I know it's not a fair pick,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: so I'm not, but I'm gonna mention it. I really
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to pick multiplicity.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I would have probably allowed it. This was an honorable
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: mention for me. It was it's toe and the line
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it is clones, but you know, you could call them siblings.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Because we could have a whole episode on clone movies too.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: We could.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of those, a lot. As a matter
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: of fact, I'm pitching it right now, we should do
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a clone movie episode. So I ended up going with
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: something that I don't even really remember if I've seen,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: but it's one of the most underrated movie marketing of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: siblings that I've seen in recent memory, and that is
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Jack and Jill with Adam Sandler.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I say that is because, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: he plays himself and his sister, his twin sister, and
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: they don't look very dissimilar. But it's kind of funny
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: his interpretations of what a brother and a sister like
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a sister, of the reactions that she has and stuff
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like that. On the poster and on the cover, you know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: she's got like a hair band and a dress or
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: whatever she's wearing, and she's like really excited facially and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: he looks irritated. You know, it's the it's the classic
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: brothers sister the tagline his sister is coming for a
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: visit dot dot dot and it ain't pretty, right, So
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: they're kind of making a play on the fact that
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: he is his own sister and he's not pretty. So
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the summary of this is, you know, it's a twin comedy.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: He's portraying both siblings, but it's marketed aggressively as he's
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: playing the dual roles. I mean it's on the cover,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: it's on everything, right, like it's you know, it's him
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: playing both roles. Here's what I'll say the movie, whether
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: or not I've seen it, it doesn't seem like it
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: did great, But it didn't do bad. So it was
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: budgeted about a seventy nine million dollar movie made seventy
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: four domestic, seventy five almost one hundred and fifty worldwide,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: So I mean it made money. I guess technically.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Probably like a break even, maybe a little more.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, with the marketing budget and stuff like that. Yeah,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't do terrible. Like I don't
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: I really don't see this movie doing one hundred and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: fifty million dollars personally, because it's just it seemed like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: it was a real dud. And I like Adam Sandler
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: generally me too. Most of his movies are kind of fun.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I just don't remember this movie. I don't even remember
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: wanting to see this movie. And I guess I was
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: over the whole like actors doing the same roles or
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: playing multiple roles within the same movie. I think I
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was just kind of burned out at that point.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Interesting thing like, I feel like I don't even remember
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: this movie coming out, Like I have no memory of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it like being released. I never saw it. You know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: it looks like funny enough. Interesting note al Pacino's in this.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Movie, Yeah, yeah, isn't that so funny? And I think
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: he if I and see this is why I think
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I've seen parts of this movie because I think he
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: kind of comes on to the sister. Yeah, so he's
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: like trying to get it on with Adam Sandler as
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: the sister, which is what I guess is supposed to
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: be comical about that, But it's like weird. It's it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: kind of weird when you think about it, you know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and weirdly, what is that fourteen years ago. Yeah, al
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Pacino looks like a young dude comparatively to what he
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: looks like right now. Yeah, in fourteen years he aged
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a lot. I guess Sandler has too. I guess maybe
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: this is where we're getting in our lives. But Katie
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Holmes is also in that movie.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an interesting cast all around. That's why I feel
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: like it's weird that I just feel like it was
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: not on my radar at all, or maybe I just
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: blocked it out. But Sandler playing not just twins but
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: brother and sister. I mean, this is like an extra challenge.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: We don't have a lot of these.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: For sure, and we're just coming off the heels of
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Happy Gilmore too, So you know, I just felt obligated to.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: If I'm going to choose a brother, sister or a sibling,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: why not give it to Sandler. You know, something that
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: was kind of underrated or maybe overrated, depending on who
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: you are and what you like to watch. So maybe
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: check that out. Maybe The Jack and Jill will be
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: your next play on streaming.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, people love the Sandman and he's a good actor.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: He's proven time and time again he's a good actor. Obviously,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: he could pull off a twin roll my second pick.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Also a good actor, giving one of his greatest performances,
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: maybe his greatest performance, one of my favorite performances ever
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: from an actor in a movie ever.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, time, now I'm intrigued. I don't I don't know
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: what you could possibly be talking about right now.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It's the two thousand and three movie adaptation and the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: actor is Nicholas Cage. Like you choosing a movie from
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: this century? This is a you know, indie movie, was
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: kind of like an Oscar type release. Made a decent
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: twenty two million, Pretty good for a small oddball movie,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: you know, from the writer of being John Malkovich. An
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: eternal sunshine of this spotless mind. This is one of
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: my top five movies of all time. Top five, Yeah,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: top five all time. Never miss an opportunity to talk
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: about it, and you know, the twin aspect of it
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: is particularly good in this one. This movie has a
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: pretty wild premise. So here's what happens in it. Where
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: do I start with this one?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, no spoilers though, because I don't know if I've
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: ever seen this movie.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let me give you the I'll give you
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: the background. So the origin of the movie, which kind
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: of lights my head on fire every time I talk about.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: It's an adaptation of the book The Orchid Thief, which
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: was a nineteen ninety eight nonfiction book by an American
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: journalist named Susan Orling, based on her investigation of the
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four arrest of horticulturist John L. Roach and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: a group of seminoles in South Florida for poaching rare orchids.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: A screenwriter named Charlie Kaufman was hired to write the
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: screenplay for The Orchid Thief. Charlie Kaufman, as I mentioned,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you know, wrote Being John Malkovich, Eternal Sunshine in The
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Spotless Mind, some surreal kind of mind bending movies. Instead
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: of making a straightforward adaptation of The Orchid Thief, he
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: wrote adaptation, which is a movie about his struggle to
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: adapt The Orchid Thief into a movie. So he writes
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: himself as a character, Susan Orlean, who wrote the original book,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: as a character, and John L. Roach, who she wrote
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the book about, is also a character in the movie.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: He also writes a part for his twin brother, Donald Kaufman,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: who is not a real person.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So the plot Thickens.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Nicholas Cage plays these two screenwriting brothers. One
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: of them's kind of anxious and uncertain and ones sort
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: of irrationally overconfident. Even though they're both overweight with one
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: of the worst hairstyles in film history. Cage makes these
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: characters unique and distinct. You can tell them apart from
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: their expressions, you know, how they carry themselves, their posture,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: everything about them, even though they pretty much look exactly same.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: They don't even like super dressed different. You know. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like Michael B. Jordan and Centers, except they're
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: not wearing the you know, different colored hats to tell
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: them apart. But you can just tell them apart by
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: who they are. So it's a very much a meta movie.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: It just goes down some wild roads and this whole
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: time you got kind of Cage in this twin performance,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: anchoring the whole thing. So the twin aspect is unique
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: in the marketing here where it wasn't really front and center,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: kind of similar to Sinners, you know, it was like
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: a little piece of the movie, but it wasn't like
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: the main thing the movie was sold on. This wasn't
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: big business where they're like look at these twins getting
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: into antics. It was more just like another quirk of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the movie, so we don't really get it on the poster.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We get mentioned of the twins in the trailer. You
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: kind of see them, you know, they kind of like
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: show them, give you a sense that they're two brothers
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: in it. But it's not sold as like he's playing
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: two parts. Look at him, he's doing this thing. So
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: it's really just a small piece. They more sold the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: movie on like the people who are making it, you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the people who are in it. It's kind of like,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: come see this interesting, unique movie. Nick Cage got only
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: his second ever Oscar nomination for this movie. First one
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: was Leaving Las Vegas, which he won. He didn't win.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: This one. He should have won, but he was robbed
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: by Adrian Brody for The Pianist. Oh yeah, but yeah,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: only the second. I thought Cage would add more Oscar nominations,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: but just two with.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: The seven, six hundred and fifty three movies that he's
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: done in the last three months.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with the volume, you know, he should have got
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: should have got some more.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good one and one that is actually
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: on my streaming list. I've never seen this movie. You
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: talk so highly of it.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I love it. I don't know that everybody will love it,
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: but it's so just strange and unique, and you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: if you like movies, it's pretty interesting and just goes
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: down some weird but makes sense for what's happening roads
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: and the way they kind of use the twins in it,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I think is pretty good. And Cage, it's just an
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: all out Cage all timer.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: If there's anybody that should act in one movie and
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: play multiple versions of himself, it should be Nicholas Cage.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: If anybody can pull it off, it's him, because he's
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: just crazy, you know in that way. Yeah, I think
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: your pick is more in line with like a more
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: sophisticated cinema goer where his mind was like the lower echelon,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: like kinda just comedy, dumbing it down maybe a little.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Well. I think we got a good mix here.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So, no matter what you're looking for, if
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you're trying to find a movie to watch and think, oh,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I need something that's light and airy and dumb, it's
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: got some dumb comedy in it. Maybe al Pacino making
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: out with Adam Sandler as a girl. That could work.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: You know or hey, you know, I need a little heavier.
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  Speaker 1: I need this down the rabbit hole Alice in Wonderland adaptation,
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  Speaker 1: You got that, You got silly eighties Bette Midler and
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin. Lily Tomlin which most people don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: You might know listeners because you know we're you're probably
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  Speaker 1: our age. Maybe not.
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  Speaker 2: You're way younger than us.
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  Speaker 1: I would think, I would think nobody's as old as us.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Well, let me throw out some more.
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  Speaker 1: OK.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you have any honoraballs, but here
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  Speaker 2: are just some that I thought about when we were
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  Speaker 2: putting this together. So you already mentioned Double Impact top
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  Speaker 2: of my list, you know, also the social network.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Armie Hammer.
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  Speaker 2: Armie Hammer as the Winklevoss Twins nineteen eighties. Here as
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  Speaker 2: I'm taking it back for the young people used cars.
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  Speaker 2: Kurt Russell's in this movie. He's not the Twins, though.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Jack Warden plays these two brothers who own rival car dealerships.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: This is a pretty good comedy from the early eighties.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: We've got Dead Ringers from nineteen eighty eight, where Jeremy
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Irons plays identical twin guynecologists who were up to no good.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You talked about multiplicity. Another one that's kind of a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: cheek because they're not really twins or brothers. The movie
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Dave with Kevin Klein, where he's the guy who replaces
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the president. Mmm, he's a look alike.
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  Speaker 1: I liked that movie. I remember liking that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked it a lot when it came out.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen it since.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really good honorable list. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: there's anything really to add to that unless you wanted
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  Speaker 1: to add, you know, maybe the One or Twin Dragons.
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  Speaker 1: Those are both martial arts movies, one with Jackie chan
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  Speaker 1: Will with Jet Lee both doing what Van Dam did?
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  Speaker 2: Where those after so they copy double impact? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Twin Dragons was ninety two and the One was
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: two thousand and one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, those are good ones. You can't go wrong with
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: some martial arts and Twins mm hmm. And Twins. Do
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you remember that used to be like a Budweiser commercial
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  Speaker 2: or something.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I do remember that. And Twins.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: We should do another episode to clone follow up about
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: actors who should be in twin movies? Not a clone
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: fall up, a twin follow up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, maybe we should come with who should play
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  Speaker 1: a twin and then give a summary for a plot.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's pretty that's pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: I like that idea. All right. Well, we hope you
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  Speaker 1: got a lot out of this one and maybe some
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  Speaker 1: exciting options for when you're watching movies this weekend or
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: next weekend or whenever. Twin marathon, twin marathon. All right,
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  Speaker 1: that's it for this episode of the Movies and Marketing Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Until next time, let's fade to black. I'll be back.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He's not coming back.