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Joe Rogan Experience #2370 - Dave Smith · truthunedited

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  Speaker 1: Podcast Check it out.
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  Speaker 2: But Joe Rogan Experience, Train My Day, Joe.
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  Speaker 1: Rogan Podcast by Night, All Day through Dave Smith.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little bit weird. It's weird to be Joe Rogan.
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  You think, yeah, it's gotta be.
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  Speaker 1: It's weird. It's weird to be any person in the
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  public eye, but uh, in this time, it's particularly weird
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  if you're like one of the only people. I mean,
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  the media is so bizarrely compromised. It's so weird when
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  you watch these narratives spin both on the left and
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  on the right, and like, is anybody fucking rational? Is
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  anybody looking at that? In this so few that a
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  comedian like yourself just rises to the top of the heap.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's funny, dude, because so like, uh, since the
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  last time I was on this has been kind of
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  like the knock on me in a way.
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  Speaker 1: Now, is that comedian?
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  Speaker 2: You're just a comedian.
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  Speaker 1: You might not an expert support comedian.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, comedian. It feels weird doing this without Doug,
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  to be honest, it seems kind of wrong, But that's
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  been like the essentially that's like the knock is like, yeah,
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  but you're you're acting like you're an expert, but you're
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  just some comedian, and it's like no, that's the point.
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  That's always been the point, Like, yes, I'm just a comedian.
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  I'm not an expert, and and still being not an expert,
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  hand me your favorite warhawk and I will tear them
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  to shreds because it's actually not that hard, and like
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  these people aren't really experts either.
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  Speaker 1: Well. Also the problem with that is these people that
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  are talking about these things are talking about people not
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  being experts while they're not experts. Yeah, there's you know what,
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  does Doug have a degree in English?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, Sam Harris is a neuroscientist. You know, there's
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  all these different people have you know, expertise in one
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  area that is pretty much outside geopolitical you know, world
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  politics and international relations and chaos and war and the
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  military industrial complex and like, these are very complex, sophisticated,
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  nuanced discussions that you have to have when you're talking
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  about these things because there's so many different factors at play,
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  there's so much money, there's so much bullshit in terms
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  of like what's the truth, what's the narrative, who's pushing
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  the narrative, who's being paid to push the narrative, which
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  is really weird. There's so many of these fucking online
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  influencers that I don't even think are really human beings
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  that have like prominent accounts.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But then there's also it's it's a convenient
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  kind of way to dismiss somebody or instead of addressing
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  the fact, well, I thought it was this just I
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  thought was really funny to me? Was that? So like
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  a few days after the last time, after me and
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  Douglas Murray debated on the show, he went on Bill
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  Maher's show, and so it's like, after having this whole thing,
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  the whole forty five minutes opening the show about how
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  you comedians don't know what you're talking about, he says,
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  don't know while he's smearing two people who he's never
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  heard of and doesn't even know what they do or whatever.
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  But not the best way to make an appeal to expertise.
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  But he doesn't have a problem with Bill Maher doing
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  it because he agrees with him. So the issue isn't
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  really being an expert versus being a comedian.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Constantine Casin went on this whole thing about expertise and
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  all of this, and it's like he also started as
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  a comedian. Why why, all of a sudden does the
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  standard only apply to me and only when I'm talking
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  about Israel? It never applied to me when I was
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  talking about COVID, it never applied to me. When they
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  agreed with me on stuff, they would just go, look
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  Dave breaking it down. But now there's this one topic
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  that one guy is not allowed to not be an
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  expert on, and it happens to be this one topic
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  that the entire population is turning on. I shouldn't say
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  the entire but like huge.
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  Speaker 1: Numbers when someone attacks, like what you do professionally versive
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  versus what you're actually saying. Yeah, why not just dispute
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  what he's saying instead of like this appeal to authority,
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  like you're not you're not an expert.
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  Speaker 2: But also you know, to ask that question is to
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  answer that question. You can only ask me.
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  Speaker 1: A few things in life that I can give you,
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  like definitive answers on and even then I might have
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  to refer to experts, Like if you want to ask
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  me about judo, I've been doing jiu jitsu for since
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  ninety I think I started in ninety seven somewhere around
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  then ninety six. Maybe I don't know shit about judo.
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  I know how to do a few hip tosses, but
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  when someone is doing something I don't even know what
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  it's called. If I go howra ghoshi, I might get
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  it wrong because howragoshi might be legs on the outside
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  versus leg and the inside. Wrestling, I gotta defer to DC, right,
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  even in martial arts, I I'm not totally an expert.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then there might be somebody who is like
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  totally an experts, like like say, uh, you know a
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  wrestler who went to the Olympics, right, and with like
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  a total expert or a coach or something like that,
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  total expert in wrestling, and they could still get something
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  about MMA completely off.
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  Speaker 1: Or happened in the last fight in the last UFC card,
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  Daniel Cormier didn't know about the dead Orchard, so he
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  thought this person was fine because they had two arms
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  in while they're caught in a triangle. I go, no,
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  this is a real submission. This is fucking dangerous. Right,
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  There's this guy Nathan Orchard who figured out how to
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  do a triangle with two arms in, and it's replicable
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  a lot of guys do it now, And I think
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  it was a lady at the last UFC had it
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  and I was like, oh shit, and Daniel didn't know
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  it yet. There's a couple other things, like the buggy choke.
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  If you don't know about jiu jitsu, and you see
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  a guy who's on his back and he's getting smothered,
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  but all of a sudden he reaches under with his
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  leg and I'm going, oh, oh, oh, and you don't
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  know what's going on, Like that's a fucking choke, like
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  a real one. Ty Rutolo gets you in that you're Foxville.
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  You know there's guys. So it's like there's areas of expertise,
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  even in areas that I'm an expert in that I
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  have to call on other people Like this is a
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  stupid argument, like what are the facts? Does that submission work?
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  Is that genocide?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 1: What is you know? What's going on? Were you funding
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  Hamas is Hesba lah proxy of Iran? Did Iran get
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  the money to do this when Biden released the funds?
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  Because what what what? Who's who's allowed to be an
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  expert on all these things? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And then of course there are then there are things
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  like say say like, uh, do you do you support lockdowns?
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  And like in order to have say, an expert opinion
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  on this policy, It's like okay, well you'd be like
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  they'd say, we're following the science, you know. So in
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  other words, they have an epidemiologist or something like that
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  who's arguing lockdowns will will cut down on the transmission
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  of the virus. I don't forget. They turned out to
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  be wrong. But leaving that aside, you're like, okay, but
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  are they also an economist? Are they also a specialist,
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  a sociologist, as specialist in childhood development? Who would tell
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  you what closing the school did. Oh, who's the person
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  who has expertise in every single one of those fields?
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  It doesn't exist. There isn't an expert in all of
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  those fields, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: It's the problem with that time, because that time everyone
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  was so fearful, and the news was pushing fear and
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  it was clearly a narrative. I forget who it was,
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  but some health official was being interviewed recently and he
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  said that during twenty twenty that Anthony Fauci said to him,
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  the problem is Americans aren't scared enough, which is crazy.
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  To say it's a wild thing to say that your
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  goal is to make people more fearful, so you're trying
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  to put out a narrative that makes people more feel
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  for which, by the way, fucks with your immune system
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  in a gigantic way. Not good at all to be scared.
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  I don't know how many people got really, really really
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  sick from COVID, because when they got it, they freaked
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  the fuck out and they couldn't sleep, and they thought
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  they were gonna die, and they were riddled with anxiety,
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  and that makes you attack people around you, and then
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  you look for a solution. And when these trusted institutions,
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  which up until five fucking years ago, I was a
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  one hundred percent on board with with everything, with vaccines,
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  with every medical innovation other than psychiatric medications I think
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  are pretty much overprescribed. All of a sudden, everyone's like
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  hoping these people have the answer. So anybody who's like,
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  but this is this guy, Jay Baticharia, you know he's
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  also an expert, to fuck you. Fuck you.
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  Speaker 3: It's like an anti science. Trust the science, COVID denier,
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  vaccine denier. It's just became this fearful respect because everybody
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  just responded to the fucking media because everybody's too tuned
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  in to all this negative shit man all day long.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you have to scare people, you know, if you
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  want to if you want to implement like a tyrannical policy,
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  you almost always have to scare people. I mean that's now,
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  it's the only way. Yeah. Now everyone knows right, like
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  you just said, like being terrified is not good for
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  your health. That on a human level, we also all
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  know that it's not good for good decision making, you know,
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  but it is excellent for I will turn my brain
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  off and give the authority to you, so go do
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  I mean, look, it was right after nine to eleven,
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  If you know, people forget about this. But like the
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  level to which Dick Cheney and George W. Bush used
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  to fear monger at Dick Cheney, the vice President of
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  the United States of America, who is a bit more
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  than just your average vice president. He said, it's not
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  a matter of if, but when there will be another
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  nine to eleven attack. They built that they were trying
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  to tell the American people right after nine to eleven
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  to be in a constant state of fear.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember the COVID warnings where they had colors
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  or excuse me, the war where they had colors, this
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  the threat level or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Color yeah. And then one day they'd be like, it's
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  up to yellow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean we were really still traumatized from nine
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  to eleven. But the thing about it is is that
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  they knew what they wanted to do. They knew the
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  policy they wanted to start embarking on, and it was
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  the mix of they hate the big lie, which was
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  they hate us for our freedom, which was like, really
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  the big lie after nine to eleven was like, because
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  the American people very organically wanted to know what the
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  beef was, like nine to eleven happen. Everybody was like, yo,
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  why did they hate us? What's this beef about? And
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  their answer was they hate you for your freedom. And
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  by the way, this is gonna happen again, so be terrified.
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  Second off, understand that they're so irrational that their beef
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  with you is that, like your grandma can go to
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  the grocery store. So what do you do with that
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  other than say what the American people said, which is
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  George W. Bush, you have a blank check to go
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  attack whoever you want to and will support you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember feeling that way. I remember feeling that way, right,
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  I remember feeling, it's up to these fucking guys, these
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  hard nosed generals and military leaders that are these are
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  the guys that are gonna protect us. Now, we got
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  to put all our faith in them. This ship is
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  real and it's going on. But I had no idea
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  this is so two thousand and one. I wasn't that
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  much of a conspiracy theorist. I was into UFOs, I
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  was into Bigfoot. I was into stupid shit. You know.
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  I was into fun, stupid shit, right. You know, me
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  and Eddie Bravo would get high and watch space documentaries
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  and freak out about aliens, you know, the stupid shit.
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  But then the Patriot Act came along, and I was like, Okay,
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  what the fuck is this? Like what what does indefinite
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  detention mean? When they signed the NDAA? Like what wait
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  a minute, what are you talking about? When is the month?
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  What it rhymes with kunt that the act that Obama
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  passed in twenty fifteen that allowed them to use censorship
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  or excuse me, propaganda on American citizens? Yeah? Yeah, month
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  is that?
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  Speaker 2: It was like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like okay, but at what point in time do
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  I start getting really fucking suspicious.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had read one book a long time ago that
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  really fucked me up, this book called Best Evidence about
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  the Kennedy Assassination, and unfortunately I read it right before
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  I went on stage. I was I was by myself,
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  I was in Philadelphia and I was headlining, and this
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  is like when I was just starting to headline, right
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  and so had to show Thursday killed. Everything's great. Went
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  back to my hotel room, nothing to do, read this
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  fucking book for like six hours, freaked the fuck out,
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  showed up at the show like ashen faced, like, oh
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  my god, they killed the president. Like I had never
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  even considered that before that book. I never even thought
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  that there's like secret government agencies that plot against the president.
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  I thought that's the fucking man and everybody works together,
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  and Lee Harvey Alliswall was a nut and he fucking Shohanaman.
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  I'm like, oh my god, and I bombed. I fucking bombed.
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  And I apologized to the staff. I apologized to the manager.
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  I go listen, I fucked up. And I read this
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  book right before I got here, and it really fucked
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  me up. I've done that before. Man, I've had you.
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  Speaker 2: When you have your mind blown like that, you need
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  time after that before you make it funny. Oh like
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  it takes time to like then almost come back to it.
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  Speaker 1: Sh ever engage in that kind of stuff, like right
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  before you go on stage. It's terrible anything real and
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  ominous and do So. I had a second show and
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  it went great, but I was like, Okay, I can't
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  ever do that again. But that started me. But that
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  was just peripheral. It was just the JFK thing though.
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  That was only interested in that. I didn't get into Nixon.
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  I didn't get into Vietnam. I didn't get into any
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  of that stuff. But September eleventh, two thousand and one,
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  in the beginning, it was wonderful. After the attack, everyone
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  was so friendly. It's terrible did this thing happened. It's
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  terrible that these people died. But it made me think, like,
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  we need every now and then, we need to get
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  bitch slapped. You know. It's like when you see people
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  like getting in people's faces for like waving an American fag,
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  fuck you fascist, fight a bitch slap every now and then,
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  like that guy might go, fucking what was I doing?
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  I just ran up to that veteran and I got
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  in his face because I want to impress my lesbian girlfriend,
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  Like fuck is wrong with me? I don't know how
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  to fight. I'm now I got a concussion and this
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  guy bitch slapped me. It's on TikTok fuck, you know,
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  like you need that sometimes, just as like a course reset.
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  And I felt like as a country, we hadn't been
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  doing shady shit all around the world forever, and there's
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  real war happening everywhere, but we're super lucky because we're
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  separated by oceans and not too much has really happened here.
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  Oh my god, this is real. And everybody had an
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  American flag on their fucking car. And when I was
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  in New York City afterwards, we're filming Fear Factor one day,
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  and everyone was so cool and firemen were rock stars,
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  cops were rock stars. Everybody was thanking them. Everybody was
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  thanking them for their service. It was crazy. We hung
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  out with these firemen in front of this bar and
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  me and the Fear Factor crew. These guys were fucking
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  It's like I was hanging out with Brad Pitt. It
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  was nuts. Everybody was so thankful. Where'd that guy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was there. I was in New York
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  City on nine to eleven, and I remember, so I
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  was in in Brooklyn, like only a few miles from
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  the World Trade Center.
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  Speaker 1: And like, did you physically see it?
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  Speaker 2: No, I saw it. So I remember seeing, you know,
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  I think so I when I got out of school.
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  I was in high school. I was a senior in
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  high school and we got out. One of the girls
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  like forged a note and said it was from our
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  parents or something like that. I forget exactly how, but
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  we got out. It was like I was friends with
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  the security guard. I used to buy weed from them.
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  It's a different time, but you know, it was a
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  different time. Three nine to eleven. We were just all
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  hanging out, buying weed from the security guards at schools.
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  But so he let us out, So I remember we
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  I'm pretty sure when we came to Flatbush Ave, we
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  saw like it was there was smoke in the air,
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  but both the towers had had fallen by the time
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  we got out, but there were people, so the subways
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  had been out for a while. And where I was,
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  I was like on Flatbush Avenue. If anyone knows Brooklyn,
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  it's like Flatbush and Seventh Avenue, so this is like
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  it's kind of a straight shoot down to the Manhattan Bridge,
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  and then the Brooklyn Bridge is down there too, but
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  the Brooklyn Bridge you can walk over. And so at
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  this point, already people who were down in the Financial
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  District had just decided to walk back to Brooklyn because
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  they realized they weren't going to get a cab or
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  get on the subway. And so you'd see just like
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  one guy in a suit and tie covered in soot
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  head to toe, like walking up like, oh, he must
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  have just been down there and walked up. But I remember,
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  now this is in Brooklyn, but even there it's very busy,
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  but people were stopping and asking each other. People who
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  you would pass on the street but never talk to,
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  were stopping and asking everyone, how's your family? Everyone okay?
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 2: Or you find like there was this like community spirit
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  that you just didn't you don't typically get in New
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  York City because it's just too many people. You can't
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  talk to everybody. But that part of it was kind
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  of beautiful. And then, of course governments do what they
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  do and immediately manipulated that into launching wars that they
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  wanted from before nine to eleven that had absolutely nothing
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  to do with with nine to eleven, which is you know.
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  Speaker 1: Also, the Patriotarch was a bunch of shit. They had
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  tried to pass mm hmm for a while for years,
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  and everyone's like, what are you fucking crazy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. And I guess maybe it's
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  partly like my age, because I was eighteen at the time,
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  and this is like my coming of age, you know time.
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  But I will never stop being furious about all that shit.
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  And this is like still to this day. I'm sure
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  you see it when I'm on podcast with you and
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  doing debates and stuff. But I'm so angry over the
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  war in Iraq and the subsequent wars and you know,
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  Libya and Syria and Somalia and Yemen and all of them,
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  but specifically because like all these guys, the neo conservatives
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  the N word that I'm not supposed to bring up,
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  even though, by the way, Douglas Mury wrote a book
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  called Neo Conservatism, Why We Need It. But when I
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  say the word neo conservatism, be careful what you're watering
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  here or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what they say they I didn't know that
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  this was an issue that you can't discuss neo conservatism.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's Douglas said. When I was on with him,
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  he said, ah, the N word when I brought it up,
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  and then said I'm watering something because I mentioned Wolfowitz.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Okay, so that's anti Semitis right into Well,
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  that's kind of ridiculous. Yes, you're talking about something incredibly important. Well,
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  like the neo conservatism. Why would that be a thing
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'd say the answer is that those
• 19:49
  guys got into power, they really hijacked American foreign policy
• 19:52
  after nine to eleven because they happened to all be
• 19:54
  in power in the Bush administration. Then nine to eleven
• 19:56
  happened on their watch. And but if you go back
• 19:59
  and read the shit they read and I will never
• 20:02
  stop talking about this because it's just too goddamn crazy.
• 20:04
  But if you read all of these guys, the guys
• 20:07
  who were in the George W. Bush administration, I mean,
• 20:09
  like the signators on the Project for a New American Century,
• 20:12
  which was their think tank, the p Neck as it's called.
• 20:14
  We're like Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz
• 20:18
  and Feife and Richard Pearl and David Wormser and the
• 20:22
  whole group who took over the government were all and
• 20:25
  they wrote explicitly in the Project for a New American
• 20:28
  Century that they were like, look, okay, the Soviet Union
• 20:31
  has collapsed. We are, for the first time in human
• 20:33
  history like the lone superpower in the world. So what
• 20:36
  we should do right now is fight multiple wars because
• 20:41
  no one threatens us, and so therefore we should fight
• 20:45
  multiple wars too. Right now, we have an opportunity to
• 20:48
  remake the world, overthrow the old Soviet sock puppet states,
• 20:52
  install our own states there, and guarantee, as the name says,
• 20:56
  the New American century of dominance the twenty first century,
• 20:59
  and syfically said they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein, and
• 21:02
  then they specifically said in and now this is something
• 21:05
  that the nine to eleven truthers really held on too.
• 21:07
  I'm not sure. I think they might be overplaying their
• 21:09
  hand a little bit here, but they say, there's one
• 21:11
  document in the Project for a New American Century. You
• 21:13
  can find it online where they straight up say they go, now, look,
• 21:17
  this is what we want to do, but we're unlikely
• 21:21
  to get mass American support for it short of another
• 21:25
  Pearl Harbor type event. And so a lot of people
• 21:30
  like Alex Jones and a lot of the nine to
• 21:31
  eleven Truthers would point to this phrase and go, see,
• 21:34
  this is the proof that they knew they needed another
• 21:36
  Pearl Harbor, so they planned their own Pearl Harbor. Now
• 21:39
  that is not necessarily true. It doesn't necessarily prove that,
• 21:44
  but it certainly does change the way you think about
• 21:47
  their mind state when they sit there watching the towers
• 21:50
  get attacked, and they all at the very least they
• 21:52
  all went, we got.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: It, you know Alex Jones predicted nine to eleven in July.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not quite a it's not quite as
• 22:01
  unique as I think some people think. It is.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Really well, like people so like you, you hear how
• 22:06
  he said it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard, I've heard the clip. It was pretty good.
• 22:08
  I mean, I'm not like taking anything away from that.
• 22:10
  He was right, But there were a bunch of people
• 22:12
  who predicted it. Ron Paul himself predicted it perfect.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Do they predict planes into the towers?
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Let's just say no, I don't know about that. That
• 22:20
  is pretty impressive. But at the same time, you know.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: The planes had never flown into towers before.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: That's true. But the World Trade Center was attacked by
• 22:28
  Al Qaeda guys in ninety three. Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah.
• 22:32
  Adrian Appleuci has the funniest joke about that, I believe.
• 22:36
  So do you ever hear Adrian's joke about that? I
• 22:38
  don't want to butcher it on your show, but Adrian
• 22:40
  Avoluch is a hilarious comediant. But she had a joke
• 22:43
  about how, you know, in that song where Biggie goes
• 22:46
  time to get paid, blow up like the World Trade
• 22:48
  but they bleep World Trade now. And then her bit
• 22:51
  is how they didn't bleep like he was talking about
• 22:53
  the first one, but they bleep it because of the second,
• 22:55
  you know, the towers came down. But then her bit
• 22:58
  is just like you go like that wasn't enough of
• 22:59
  a track. You need to make it bleeps like a fight.
• 23:01
  It's like only a few people died, like it was cool,
• 23:04
  but then a lot of people died. They way she
• 23:06
  phenomenal joke writer.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Well it's a different time. Back then, they would have
• 23:10
  never bleeped anything. They didn't bleep the N word, they
• 23:12
  didn't bleep anything.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was it was the wild West.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Well, it's weird when you hear about so. I don't
• 23:20
  know if I fully buy into any of this, but
• 23:23
  as a caveat before I get rolling. But uh, when
• 23:26
  people discuss the intelligence agencies and their role in hip hop,
• 23:32
  especially gangster rap, like I remember the very first time
• 23:37
  I listened to NWA and uh, I think I told
• 23:40
  ice Cube when he was here. I was on a
• 23:42
  fucking Staremaster in Revere, Massachusetts, and I was listening to
• 23:47
  Fuck the Police. I was like, fuck the Police. Coming
• 23:49
  straight from the underground. I was like, what is this
• 23:52
  this is I was a cassette walkman, or maybe it
• 23:55
  was a CD, but it was probably a cassette walkman,
• 23:58
  and I was like, don't get in my They were
• 24:00
  better for working out. They didn't skip the they got
• 24:03
  good with the CD. After a while it didn't skip,
• 24:05
  but you had to set it on. You had to
• 24:07
  set it on the treadmill.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And you had to hit that like shock mode thing,
• 24:11
  and then that would eat your battery so quickly though,
• 24:13
  like you get three songs in and be like all right,
• 24:15
  you have to go to the gym with like spare batteries.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: To me, it was so insane that I could carry
• 24:20
  music with me to the gym, Like that's incredible because
• 24:23
  you'd go to the gym and it'd be like the
• 24:25
  worst poison song plan no disrespect to poison or something
• 24:28
  like God, I can't get into this. I'm trying to
• 24:31
  get pumped here. Man. This is fucking bullshit music. Like
• 24:34
  someone's in charge of the you know, the station that
• 24:37
  they pick on the radio just to be able to
• 24:39
  carry it. But that moment of hearing that music, I
• 24:43
  was like, this is the career. This is celebrating crime
• 24:46
  and murder, like this is nuts and murdering prostitutes and
• 24:50
  like this is crazy that this is like a major
• 24:54
  record label put this out And I was only twenty one,
• 24:57
  and I was you know, I was just sitting there
• 24:59
  going I can't even belie this is real. And then
• 25:01
  I got really into it, like really into ice cube,
• 25:04
  really into iced tea. I'd listen to that when I
• 25:06
  was delivering newspapers. It was like gangster rap was like
• 25:10
  a completely different thing. So then cut too when people
• 25:14
  start digging into it, like intelligence agencies have had. There's
• 25:18
  a weird book on intelligence agencies and their role in
• 25:22
  rock and roll music in the nineteen sixties, the movie
• 25:25
  about the book about Laurel Canyon, what is it? Strange things,
• 25:29
  It's very interesting. I don't know if I buy it.
• 25:31
  Eddie Bravos all in on it. I don't know if
• 25:33
  I buy it. But there's a lot of like weird
• 25:35
  connections to the intelligence community and music, particularly hip hop
• 25:40
  and particularly gangster rap. And if you want to get
• 25:43
  really dark, you would say, if you want to fill
• 25:46
  your private prisons up, what better way than have very
• 25:51
  popular music encouraging prisons, excuse me, encouraging crime, encouraging outright
• 25:58
  celebrating crime and violence. That way you fill your prisons up,
• 26:02
  and you also keep people scared so you can give
• 26:06
  them more laws and more rules and crack to and
• 26:09
  make them easier to playcate, easier to get them to
• 26:13
  fall in line and do what you need them to do.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and support massive police build ups and massive you know,
• 26:20
  like militarization of the police and all this stuff. And
• 26:23
  I don't know, you know, I've I've heard a little
• 26:25
  bit about that. I really don't know. I know ice
• 26:27
  Cube has talked about it before, like talked about how
• 26:29
  like there is undeniably this influence. It does there are
• 26:32
  things about it that seem crazy, But I do know that.
• 26:36
  And I don't even think this is a controversial thing
• 26:38
  to say. I think this is just like fact at
• 26:40
  this point that it was the Reagan administration who did
• 26:43
  traffic in cocaine to the United States of America while
• 26:47
  they were ramping up the war on drugs. So like
• 26:50
  they're bringing in in their effort to help the contras
• 26:54
  or whatever. They're going like, Okay, well, these guys are
• 26:57
  drug dealers, so if we move these drugs in, we
• 26:59
  can get these money shit means to them. And then
• 27:01
  you're sitting in there there they're creating the conditions for
• 27:05
  the crack epidemic to explode. And then they catch one
• 27:09
  guy with a few rocks on him and they're throwing
• 27:12
  him in jail for decades it's like just that alone,
• 27:15
  just that one piece of information, you'd almost if you're
• 27:18
  like in a sane world, you'd go like, oh, so
• 27:20
  that people had a revolution and overthrew that government and
• 27:23
  publicly hung all the politicians involved, and then we started
• 27:26
  over from new and you're like, just no, they lionized
• 27:29
  that guy still for decades afterwards. The Republicans at the RNC,
• 27:33
  you bring up Reagan and they go our hero Ronald Reagan,
• 27:36
  like the fact that that isn't enough to go, well,
• 27:39
  this guy should be remembered like as a monster.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Do you think they tell Reagan that they're selling crack
• 27:44
  in the hood. I don't know they do. I do
• 27:46
  not think. I do not think the intelligence agencies let
• 27:50
  that information that far up the chain to a guy
• 27:52
  who's only in there for four years. For us to
• 27:54
  get reelected fair enough, not a chance.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But George H. W. Bush definitely first.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He probably he can signed the docket that was all
• 28:04
  over that he was ahead of the he was the
• 28:07
  head of the CIA, moved in right, so you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: But but again, also you get to a certain point
• 28:12
  when you're president. I think this applies to Donald Trump
• 28:14
  in a lot of ways too, where it's like it's
• 28:17
  your responsibility, Like if you didn't know, then that's your
• 28:19
  responsibility for not knowing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think you have an access. I do not.
• 28:24
  I do not think in cases like that you have access.
• 28:28
  I think if they're doing something like selling crack in
• 28:33
  the hood and using the money to fund the contrast,
• 28:35
  there's no fucking way you could ever kosherize that. So
• 28:39
  I don't think you ever let the president know. I
• 28:42
  think this is all black funded. I don't think. I
• 28:45
  think there's layers and layers and layers of bureaucracy before
• 28:49
  you can get to any real data and information. If
• 28:51
  you want to talk about people that are doing operations
• 28:55
  in Nicaragua, you've got things going on in Iran. You've
• 28:58
  got to pay attention to. This is happening you, that's
• 29:01
  happening there. There's not a fucking chance he knows they're
• 29:04
  selling crack to pay for an army. I just don't
• 29:07
  don't think you might tell them.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Look, you might be right about it, because why would
• 29:10
  they assume that he'd go along with it or tell
• 29:12
  him this is not a normal thing to do.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I I came into this office thinking I'm an actor,
• 29:17
  I'm Ronald Reagan. I came into this office thinking I'm
• 29:19
  gonna be a good American and we're gonna get backed
• 29:21
  up basics and hard work and trickle down economics. And
• 29:25
  you're telling me you're selling crack. Hey, fuck you, You're
• 29:27
  going to jail. You know what I'm saying.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, because he can't.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: That's how Nixon got caught. So Nixon didn't organize Watergate,
• 29:35
  he tried to cover it up. That's how he got caught.
• 29:37
  And they would do the same thing with Reagan. Yeah,
• 29:39
  well it become clean about all the crack selling.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: Right, Well, they could present it to them after it's
• 29:45
  a fade, a complete and then be like, so what
• 29:47
  do you want to do now, which is what happened
• 29:48
  with Nixon, right So it's like, look, this is gonna
• 29:50
  look really really bad. Good luck explaining this. So he
• 29:53
  helps them cover it up, and then you go, now
• 29:55
  we got you, We got you. Now you might as
• 29:57
  well have been in on planning it because you helped
• 29:59
  us cover it up.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: And the whole thing was set up by the government.
• 30:02
  That's just really crazy. His intelligence agency's set up Watergate,
• 30:05
  they operated it. Bob Woodward was an intelligence agent before
• 30:09
  he was ever a reporter. That was his first gig.
• 30:12
  Tucker Carlson told me that if Blue my fucking mind,
• 30:15
  He's like, what rookie reporter for their first gig, their
• 30:19
  first story gets, You're going to take down the most
• 30:22
  popular president in US history.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he had.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Won by the biggest march forty nine states.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just a dominant real life The American people
• 30:30
  had spoken, they supported this guy. And then write, Bob Woodward,
• 30:33
  some twenty something year old reporter, he gets the biggest
• 30:37
  story in American history. He happened to just come out
• 30:39
  of naval intelligence and a weird coincidence.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Can I tell you what Bill Murray told me? No?
• 30:44
  So Bill Murray was on the podcast. I was talking
• 30:46
  about Bob Woodward's movie, Yes book he wrote what was it?
• 30:52
  What was it called?
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Well, he's written a lot at this point, but.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: The one about Blue Shie, what was it called? It
• 30:57
  was a wired Wired Okay, it was just about you
• 31:00
  should be a fucking crazy drug addict. He goes, that's
• 31:05
  not my friend, he goes, that's not how he was.
• 31:06
  He was like that was kind of an act. He
• 31:08
  was a little bit of a lightweight, Like if he
• 31:10
  had like two three drinks. He was drunk, like he goes.
• 31:13
  I think he did that speedball. I think that's the
• 31:15
  first time he ever did it and died. It's not
• 31:19
  that he never done drugs. Everybody wasn't this guy? So
• 31:22
  this is all fiction? So he read the first five
• 31:24
  pages is oh my god, they framed Nixon. Yeah, isn't
• 31:30
  that crazy? I know, It's like this guy wrote about
• 31:33
  my friend in such a distorted, untruthful way. Now I
• 31:38
  have to think about what he discovered with Nixon, and
• 31:41
  now I know what kind of person this is.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I my good friend who I mentioned quite a bit.
• 31:46
  But Scott Horton, who is the I think the best
• 31:49
  foreign policy voice in the United States of America, And
• 31:51
  he's written He wrote the best book on the terror
• 31:53
  wars called Enough already in the best book on the
• 31:55
  war in Ukraine called Provoked. But while so, Bob Woodward's
• 31:59
  latest book came out, and I remember he told me
• 32:01
  about this, But so he just happened to be writing
• 32:04
  his book on Ukraine when he saw this new Bob
• 32:07
  Woodward book came out and they had a quote in it.
• 32:09
  I believe it was a Sergei Lavrov quote. Who's like
• 32:12
  Putin's you know, right hand man. And Scott said, he's
• 32:14
  reading it and he goes, this quote's all wrong. He
• 32:17
  goes the actual quote like he was just researching this
• 32:20
  for his book, and he goes, the quote means the
• 32:22
  exact opposite of what he's claiming it means. Here, like
• 32:25
  see how he left out this part. He wasn't referring
• 32:27
  to this, he was referring to that. And then he
• 32:28
  just I remember he just told me. He goes like,
• 32:30
  so for the record, like you can just never trust anything,
• 32:32
  Bob Woodward says, because he'll take this quote and just
• 32:35
  get it, mangle it to the point where it he's
• 32:38
  presenting it as if it means one hundred and eighty
• 32:40
  degrees opposite of what the quote actually meant. And so yeah,
• 32:44
  there's a lot of stuff like that. And then that
• 32:45
  guy is like the historian of record.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Would you have ever imagined that when all the years
• 32:51
  when I was growing up, that guy was like a hero,
• 32:54
  he was like a journalistic hero.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Well, and he's how we know he's how you know that.
• 32:58
  In that moment, Dick Cheney turned to George W. Bush
• 33:01
  and said, mister President, I think we need to and
• 33:03
  then you're like, oh, but he just makes shut up.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: God, Like when I was a kid. You know, they
• 33:10
  made a movie about him. All the presidents met. It's
• 33:15
  a movie. Who plays Bob Woodward? What movie star plays
• 33:18
  Bob wood Which one of them? Was it Robert Redford?
• 33:21
  Or was it the other guy? Who's who else was
• 33:23
  in that movie with him? Who played Bernstein? Dustin hunts? Right?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Robert?
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So imagine that you're you're Bob Woodward, you bullshit everybody,
• 33:37
  and then you get to watch Robert Redford the most
• 33:39
  handsome man alive in a movie like Outstanding. Look how
• 33:42
  good looking I am? And I think that me kick
• 33:44
  an ass for America.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: But also just think about how much they could get.
• 33:49
  I remember, I don't know what I was in school,
• 33:54
  and I remember hearing like my history teacher talking to
• 33:58
  another teacher. And this was when Bill Clinton was getting
• 34:03
  in trouble for Monica Lewinsky. So I was like in
• 34:05
  middle school or whatever, and I remember hearing them talk
• 34:08
  and one of them said to the other one goes,
• 34:10
  so what do you think about the impeachment or something?
• 34:12
  And I remember my history teacher, I thought it was
• 34:14
  a pretty smart guy. He goes, well, you know, they're
• 34:18
  treating him like he's Nixon, but he's not Nixon. And
• 34:21
  essentially what that meant, like what he was saying was like, well,
• 34:24
  Nixon is the most corrupt president whoever lived. Bill Clinton
• 34:27
  just got caught cheating on his wife, Like that's not
• 34:29
  as big a deal as being the most corrupt. But
• 34:32
  they just made that like the thing that everybody knows, like, well,
• 34:35
  we did have this one corrupt president, but the system works.
• 34:38
  That's the lesson.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: The system works, and it got him out of there
• 34:40
  before the internet. It works. I think it's like very
• 34:43
  hard to make that saying system work the same way.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: No, I completely I mean to say that the narrative
• 34:47
  that everybody accepted was like, oh, but the system works,
• 34:50
  like it figured out that he was corrupt, they had
• 34:52
  him step down, they got him out of there, when
• 34:55
  really the answer is much more like the intelligence agencies
• 35:00
  took over the United States of America in a hostile
• 35:03
  coup against John F. Kennedy and then Nixon comes in
• 35:06
  like a few years later and is like essentially taken
• 35:10
  over as well. But they get the American people to
• 35:13
  believe that like what that was was a corrupt president
• 35:17
  being ousted.
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  It's also easy to frame Nixon that way because he's ugly, right,
• 36:45
  He's not a good looking guy. And it was just
• 36:48
  after Kennedy. Look, when Muhammad Ali retired, Larry Holmes couldn't
• 36:54
  get any love, couldn't get any love. And one of
• 36:57
  the reasons why Larry Holmes is one of the best
• 36:59
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  everybody was sad and everybody hated him because of that.
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  And you just you're you're never like if you're Nixon
• 37:11
  and you're following JFK who got shot in the fucking head,
• 37:15
  we lost. We got to assassinate that. Someone assassinated the
• 37:19
  greatest president of all time is good looking guy who
• 37:22
  is going to really change things and didn't believe in
• 37:24
  secrecy and was talking to the American people like we
• 37:27
  have hope and dreams. He wants to put us on
• 37:29
  the moon and he got shot in the head. Now
• 37:31
  we got this ugly fuck.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Well there was LBJ in between there at least, but yes, no,
• 37:36
  I'm a little bit well. I think also in hindsight,
• 37:39
  he just his he's he wasn't that good looking. He
• 37:42
  also came off is kind of.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So very authoritarian, you know, which is unfortunately, when you
• 37:50
  have a society where you do have ubiquitous crime, you
• 37:55
  do need some kind of an authoritarian leadership. Not saying
• 38:01
  you need tyranny, not saying you need a dictator, but
• 38:03
  you need fucking laws and you need rule of law.
• 38:07
  And sometimes those people come off very harsh and very
• 38:11
  uncaring and unloving, and you know, it's total opposite. For like,
• 38:16
  the reason why people voted for Jimmy Carter, I think
• 38:18
  because Jimmy Carter represented like a genuinely sweet, good guy, right,
• 38:23
  but like, look out that president I'd say was a
• 38:25
  disaster because they were all working against him, for sure,
• 38:29
  And on top of that, it's like hard you gotta
• 38:32
  be a bit of a hard ass if you want
• 38:34
  to run the world. But the way Nixon did it,
• 38:37
  we're still suffering through that today. That motherfucker, he's partially
• 38:42
  responsible for that sweeping Schedule One Act of nineteen seventy.
• 38:47
  When they did that and they made everything illegal, everything
• 38:51
  Schedule one, including things that are one hundred percent medicinal
• 38:55
  like marijuana. All that fucked up society. And they did
• 38:59
  it specifically target the anti war movement and to target
• 39:02
  the civil rights movement specifically. So it's not like Nixon
• 39:05
  was the best. Oh no, what he did was fucking horrible.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Nixon had a lot of policy failures, and I would
• 39:12
  put the number one, and I'm completely agree with you.
• 39:15
  I mean, launching the War on drugs was a disaster,
• 39:17
  but taking us off the gold standard was one of
• 39:19
  the worst policy decisions in the history of the United
• 39:22
  States of America. That is where so many of the
• 39:25
  problems we face now is because of that. And people
• 39:28
  could say, like I've heard Pat Uchanan defend Nixon on
• 39:32
  this before Pat Pukennan was in the Nixon administration. It
• 39:34
  was a speech writer form and he was like, well, look,
• 39:38
  what were we going to do at that point? And
• 39:40
  so he was basically saying because what happened was essentially
• 39:43
  so you had like the Breton Woods Agreement which started
• 39:48
  started after World War Two, or actually I'm sorry. It
• 39:50
  started at the very end of World War Two. It
• 39:52
  was in nineteen forty four where they had the Breton
• 39:54
  Woods Agreement where they could kind of see where World
• 39:57
  War two was going, and it was basically like, okay, well,
• 40:01
  the all of Europe is destroyed and a lot of
• 40:04
  Asia is destroyed or not yet I guess this is
• 40:06
  forty four, but it was getting there, and and America had,
• 40:11
  you know, at least on the homeland, hadn't really been touched,
• 40:14
  and we had like a wild amount of the world's gold.
• 40:17
  And so the deal was essentially that like, we will
• 40:20
  peg the dollar to gold at thirty five dollars an ounce.
• 40:23
  Everyone else can peg their currency to the dollar, and
• 40:27
  then the dollars are refundable. You know, you can get
• 40:31
  announce for thirty five dollars, and so that, you know,
• 40:35
  was whatever. There were problems with the Brentwoods Agreement, but
• 40:38
  that was what stood from after World War Two into
• 40:42
  so from nineteen forty four to nineteen seventy three or
• 40:44
  nineteen seventy one when he took us off the gold standard.
• 40:47
  And so essentially what happened was through the sixties, we
• 40:51
  started cheating and it became very obvious to the world
• 40:55
  that we were like, you know, the nineteen sixties, You're like,
• 40:57
  you have the great society. So we create medicare and medicaid,
• 41:02
  and we went to the Moon and we were fighting
• 41:05
  the war in Vietnam. Now we are just printing money
• 41:07
  for all of this, which is, you know, what we
• 41:09
  still do to this day. But so essentially, the Europeans
• 41:12
  started looking at us and they were like, I don't
• 41:14
  think you got enough gold to cover all these dollars
• 41:17
  that you're printing around.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that thing where they were going to like do
• 41:21
  an audit of Fort Knox, Well, we never heard about.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Well what I know is that I'm pretty sure it
• 41:26
  was the French. Might have been the British too, It's
• 41:29
  definitely the French. The French basically called our bluff and
• 41:33
  they just went, okay, we'll take gold. You know, we
• 41:36
  got all these dollars, we'll take gold. We get announced
• 41:38
  for every thirty five dollars that we have, and we
• 41:42
  have quite a lot. And that's when Nixon went no, no,
• 41:47
  He just basically defaulted in front of the entire world,
• 41:49
  and he said he's temporarily suspending the convertibility of dollars
• 41:55
  into gold, and they framed it as like, you know,
• 41:58
  the French are attacking the debility of the dollar. Really,
• 42:01
  all they were doing was calling us on our agreement
• 42:03
  we owed it to him.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Well, like we got so much gold, bro.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: So Pat Buchanan says, defending his boy Richard Nixon, He goes, well,
• 42:11
  what were we gonna do at that point? Let him
• 42:13
  clean us out of all of our gold and just
• 42:15
  not be the dominant power. But I think the retort
• 42:18
  to that is, yeah, like that's what you should have done,
• 42:22
  because the decision to go off of the gold standard
• 42:25
  essentially just said, well, now there's no more even pretend
• 42:29
  limits on government. You know, this is why Ron Paul,
• 42:32
  who Happy birthday to the greatest living American Heron just
• 42:35
  turned ninety and I was just at his birthday party
• 42:39
  a few weeks ago, and.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Dam are you partying with Ron Paul party?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Dude? That dude throws it down now, I'm just kidding.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: It was very nice though to see him. Tulsa Gabbard
• 42:48
  was there, which was cool, but so so essentially right,
• 42:53
  that was the last restraint on government. Is that, at
• 42:56
  least even then, even under Brenton woods. When we're cheating,
• 42:59
  at least there's some feeling of like, well, don't cheat
• 43:01
  too bad, because they could maybe try to you know,
• 43:04
  like right exactly. But after that, it was off to
• 43:07
  the races. And this is why, this is what why
• 43:09
  Ron Paul ran for Congress, was when Richard Nixon took
• 43:12
  us off the gold standard, and then he was like,
• 43:13
  this is going to lead to big government. This is
• 43:15
  going to be the era of big government. So he
• 43:17
  was going to run to try to stop that, and
• 43:19
  he was completely right. You know, this is what has
• 43:23
  really destroyed everything is that there's just no and it's
• 43:26
  a big part of the reason why I'm so angry
• 43:28
  about all these wars too, because it's all related. You know,
• 43:31
  the Federal Reserve was created in nineteen thirteen, or the
• 43:35
  Federal Reserve Act was signed into law by Woodrow Wilson
• 43:38
  in nineteen thirteen, and then in nineteen fourteen, I think
• 43:41
  is when it actually got up and running. And in
• 43:43
  nineteen fourteen is when the income tax was passed also
• 43:46
  signed into law by Woodrow Wilson, and three years later
• 43:50
  as World War One, you know, like three years or
• 43:53
  American entry into World War One. So it's like this
• 43:57
  is the banking system and the tax system are very
• 44:01
  like interrelated with the warfare state, like you need this
• 44:04
  stuff in order to fight wars, and you know, even
• 44:08
  just over the whatever, it's over the last twenty five years,
• 44:13
  we've spent close to ten trillion dollars on wars, you know,
• 44:17
  and they don't They didn't tax the American people for that,
• 44:21
  and they know they couldn't tax us enough to pay.
• 44:23
  We would put an end to it if they tried
• 44:25
  to raise everybody's taxes enough to come up with ten
• 44:27
  trillion dollars because we want to go fight regime change
• 44:30
  wars all over the Middle East. The American people would
• 44:32
  have been like, no, we're not doing that. But they
• 44:34
  didn't do that. They kept taxes where they were. I
• 44:36
  think they even cut some rates during those years, the
• 44:39
  top rates, and then they borrowed the rest. And that's
• 44:43
  they still couldn't borrow enough, so they just print the money.
• 44:45
  And then essentially what happens is that the price of
• 44:47
  everything just goes up and up and up, and that
• 44:50
  you just put more money into the system, and then
• 44:53
  people start looking around and going like geez, why is
• 44:55
  the price of housing and healthcare? And energy and child's
• 44:59
  care totally un affordable. And the answer is because you're
• 45:02
  paying for the war in Iraq. And nobody thinks about
• 45:05
  it like that, but that's really what's going on. They
• 45:08
  can't So for all the young people who are coming
• 45:11
  out of college now and they're like, I'm one hundred
• 45:13
  and fifty grand in debt, I have a gender studies
• 45:16
  major degree or whatever, you know, maybe something better than that.
• 45:18
  But they got an English degree or something, and they're
• 45:21
  working at door dash and the average house is going
• 45:24
  for six hundred grand, and they're like, what am I
• 45:26
  possibly going to do? It's like, the reason why these
• 45:29
  kids are all demanding socialism, at least on the left,
• 45:32
  is because like what else are you going to do?
• 45:34
  Like how do you even? But the reason why that
• 45:36
  is the case is because your government decided to spend
• 45:40
  trillions of dollars on blowing up brown countries and in
• 45:45
  some cases then rebuilding them to blow them up again.
• 45:49
  I mean, this is this is the actual cost of
• 45:51
  the thing. And I feel like it's the almost nobody
• 45:56
  outside of like the Ron Paul Libertarians, the Austrian economics,
• 46:00
  almost nobody else ever makes this connection that it's like,
• 46:03
  this is the deal. You can't be a world empire
• 46:08
  without having a central bank that can print money for you,
• 46:11
  because otherwise it just doesn't work. Resources are finite and
• 46:14
  you'll run out of them, and so you can't do
• 46:16
  that without having this monetary system. But the cost of
• 46:19
  this monetary system is that prices always go up and
• 46:22
  up and up and up, and that rigs the entire
• 46:25
  economy against the working class and the middle class in
• 46:28
  favor of the rich, just the way it is. When
• 46:31
  the value of assets is going up and up and
• 46:33
  up and up. That's great if you own stuff, that's great.
• 46:36
  If you own stuff and you're selling it, if you
• 46:38
  got a billion dollars in the bank, inflation is your
• 46:40
  best friend. But if you're on a fixed income or
• 46:42
  you're a working class person, it just destroys you. And
• 46:46
  everybody who's working class knows this just from living through
• 46:49
  the last five years. But you know, your grocery prices
• 46:51
  go up thirty percent, that is you know, that's you know,
• 46:55
  people have this idea that there's like economic issues over here,
• 46:58
  and then there's like social issues here, there's foreign policy
• 47:01
  over here, but it's all one thing. You know, the
• 47:04
  prices of groceries go up by thirty percent and families
• 47:07
  get destroyed. Men swallow pistols, kids grow up without fathers.
• 47:11
  That's the cost of this shit, and that's what we're
• 47:16
  living through now and what will continue to live through
• 47:18
  as long as we have a government that it spends
• 47:21
  way beyond our means. Like doctor Ron Paul used to say,
• 47:23
  when you spend beyond your means, you're destined to live
• 47:26
  beneath your means.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And we have an economy that's built around doing the
• 47:31
  exact same thing. It's always done right. And if you
• 47:35
  think about the amount of money, just like just in
• 47:39
  shuddering USAID, how like think about the amount of money,
• 47:45
  whether you agree with USAID or not, the amount of
• 47:47
  money that was being pumped through that system like to
• 47:53
  all sorts of weird places. Right, there's the when the
• 47:56
  Department of Energy gave out thirty nine or ninety three
• 48:00
  billion dollars in loans in the months between Biden losing
• 48:04
  or Kamala losing rather than try taking office, Like where's that.
• 48:09
  There's so many of these instances of insane amounts of
• 48:13
  money just being allocated while we're thirty nine trillion dollars
• 48:17
  in debt. It's like it's so unmanageable, and yet it
• 48:21
  just keeps marching on, and people are upset if you
• 48:24
  try to pull a band aid off, like the idea
• 48:26
  of shuddering some of these government organizations. All you hear
• 48:29
  about is people are gonna die, people are gonna starve.
• 48:31
  This is gonna happen. That's gonna happen. Are you fucking sure? Yeah?
• 48:35
  Are you sure that this isn't a giant money sucking
• 48:38
  scam that's been going on that does some good?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's that's most of it, right, Yeah, Well
• 48:43
  like number one, Yeah, if you if you go, hey,
• 48:46
  I think which by the way, no one in Congress,
• 48:48
  I mean short of like Thomas Massey, maybe maybe raand Paul,
• 48:51
  but like no one else in Congress is even like
• 48:53
  suggesting an idea so radical. But if I were to
• 48:56
  throughout the radical idea that we should go back to
• 48:58
  pre pandemic level spending, so go all the way back
• 49:03
  to the crazy year of twenty nineteen when it was
• 49:06
  anarchy or whatever that was just they'll all tell you
• 49:09
  the world's gonna end if we do that. Yeah, And
• 49:12
  even when they're making up these absolutely ridiculous you know,
• 49:15
  claims about how many people are going to die if
• 49:18
  you cut government spending, which is all totally absurd, But
• 49:22
  then they never seem to go like, well, how many
• 49:24
  people are going to die if I keep letting DC
• 49:26
  have all these war making powers. How many people are
• 49:29
  going to die if the president is able to fund
• 49:33
  a proxy war whenever he wants to. And I mean,
• 49:35
  look at this shit, dude, I took I took so
• 49:37
  much you know whatever, I'm not, but I took a
• 49:41
  lot of heat for the stuff I said on the
• 49:43
  show here a few years ago about the war in Ukraine.
• 49:46
  Look at it now, dude, Look at even And I
• 49:48
  don't think they're about to end the thing. I think
• 49:50
  there which we could talk about, but I think they're
• 49:52
  putting poison pills in these negotiations already. It's what it
• 49:54
  looks like to me. But literally, the deal that I
• 49:59
  was talking to you about, whatever, it was three years
• 50:00
  ago when I was saying on the show that they
• 50:03
  had a deal worked out, a peace deal worked out
• 50:06
  in the first few months of the war in twenty two,
• 50:08
  and Boris Johnson went and killed the peace deal on
• 50:10
  behalf of the West to make sure this war kept going.
• 50:13
  But the deal that was in pencil, not pen that
• 50:17
  Boris Johnson killed, was essentially recognition of the annexation of Crimea.
• 50:26
  It was at the time, it wasn't an annexation of
• 50:29
  the Donbass region. It was like independence for the don
• 50:32
  Bass region. And then the agreement that the rest of
• 50:35
  Ukraine would not join NATO. That was the deal that
• 50:38
  they had worked out. And look at where we are
• 50:40
  now now, the deal that they're even talking about, even
• 50:43
  as Donald Trump goes there's gonna be some land swaps
• 50:45
  and all this. Okay, well, what's he talking about? The
• 50:47
  deal right now? That is the best case scenario that
• 50:49
  we're hoping we could get, is that Vladimir Putin obviously
• 50:52
  keeps Crimea, keeps the entire don Bass region, gets a
• 50:56
  corridor from the south into Crimea, and the rest of
• 50:59
  Ukraine doesn't join NATO. So we have the same deal
• 51:03
  just a little bit more in the Russians favor three
• 51:05
  years later, with hundreds of thousands of people having died
• 51:09
  in that process, just to get back to not as
• 51:12
  good a deal as they had in twenty two and so,
• 51:16
  you know, and if they don't sign that, they don't
• 51:19
  keep going. Which I think it's probably going to.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: They're enlisting people as old as sixty.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, and they have been for like a full
• 51:26
  year at least and throwing people up there. And the
• 51:30
  thing that's really changed, the reason why that like the
• 51:32
  Europeans and Zelenski and they're at least pretending to come
• 51:36
  to the negotiation table right now, which they don't say.
• 51:40
  But this is the truth, is that support for the
• 51:43
  war amongst Ukrainians has collapsed. I mean not like gone
• 51:48
  down by a few points, it's collapsed. There is just
• 51:51
  a piece in this. The other day it was a gallop.
• 51:54
  I believe they had their latest poll. Super majorities of
• 51:59
  the Krainian people seventy percent around want an immediate end
• 52:04
  to the war with negotiations on landswat like with like,
• 52:08
  let's settle it. However, we got to settle it, they don't.
• 52:11
  I remember, for the first two years of the thing,
• 52:13
  everybody who I argued with about the war in Ukraine,
• 52:16
  their talking point would always be the Ukrainian people want
• 52:20
  to fight, and who are you, Dave to tell them
• 52:22
  that they don't have a right to defend themselves. And
• 52:24
  then I would respond by saying, like, yes, It's true
• 52:27
  the Ukrainian people want to fight, but like, might that
• 52:29
  have something to do with the blank check that they've
• 52:31
  received from the world and the backup of the entire world?
• 52:34
  You know, It's just it's a different proposition to go, Like,
• 52:38
  do you want to fight? If John Jones is at
• 52:41
  your back and goes, I got your back, dude, let's
• 52:43
  go fuck these guys up, You're like, hell, yeah, I
• 52:45
  want to fight. But then John Jones leaves, I might
• 52:47
  be like, ah, let's talk about this, you know, like
• 52:49
  but so that, but that would But now the Ukrainian
• 52:52
  people don't want to fight. And by the way, I
• 52:54
  never believed any of that, because I don't you know,
• 52:56
  I have my own libertarian views on things, and I'm like,
• 52:58
  if you're telling me the people want to fight, like, well,
• 53:00
  why do you got to conscript an army?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: You know, like, if they want to fight so bad,
• 53:04
  why you got to put a gun to their head
• 53:06
  and force them to the front line? Like you could, Yeah,
• 53:08
  you could just make it a voluntary force and then
• 53:10
  we'll find out real quick who wants to fight. But
• 53:12
  the point is now that even the Ukrainians don't want
• 53:15
  to fight over this stuff anymore. So there's just no
• 53:18
  justification for it. So now they move to Phase B,
• 53:23
  which is essentially to pretend like they're negotiating but putting
• 53:27
  all types of poison pills in the deal so that
• 53:30
  you know the other side won't take it. This is
• 53:32
  what they did with A RAN two. This is why
• 53:34
  we got into that twelve day war as they're calling
• 53:37
  it now. But you know, it's like you put things
• 53:40
  into the I already saw. I was just reading the
• 53:42
  other day. It was on Axios. There's reports that they
• 53:47
  Zelenski and the Europeans are like open to land swaps
• 53:52
  as long as there's as in their words in the
• 53:55
  Axios piece Article five, like security guarantee. So in other words,
• 54:02
  the rest of Ukraine's in NATO, which is the thing
• 54:05
  that caused the whole conflict to begin with. So like yeah,
• 54:09
  and you know that's what that means.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Article five.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Article five is the article in NATO, in the NATO
• 54:15
  Agreement that says that like it says that like if
• 54:18
  one of the countries is attacked, like all the countries
• 54:20
  have to join together to help them. It doesn't exactly
• 54:22
  say you got to go to war over it, but
• 54:23
  it's like you have to help in the effort if
• 54:26
  they're attacked. So essentially that's what they're trying to ask now,
• 54:29
  which is but if you think about it, right, it's
• 54:31
  designed to incentivize Putin to keep the war going, because
• 54:36
  if you're telling Vladimir Putin, let's just say, which it's
• 54:39
  not exactly clear that he would even take the deal
• 54:42
  that I just laid out before, but it was I
• 54:44
  know that it's been reported that he was it was
• 54:47
  being signaled that he might be open to that deal.
• 54:50
  I get the don BASSU region, you know, he's got
• 54:52
  still like the don Bass region is done esque and Luhansk.
• 54:56
  And in Luhansk, I think as of right now, I
• 54:59
  think the Russians can try like seventy five percent of it.
• 55:01
  They got all of dune Esk, they got most of Luhan's,
• 55:03
  but they're still Ukrainians controlling part of it. And then
• 55:06
  he's controlling part of these territories in the south. So
• 55:08
  this is what Trump means when he says the land swaps,
• 55:10
  meaning essentially, you get out of the Dawnbass region, give
• 55:13
  me that and I'll give you back. You know, the
• 55:16
  landswaps are Putin taking what he wants and leaving you
• 55:18
  the rest. But if you're gonna tell Vladimir Putin, who
• 55:22
  fought this entire war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being
• 55:25
  his red line basically in the middle of the ort, no,
• 55:28
  not in the middle of as the war is potentially
• 55:30
  wrapping up, you're going to tell him, Hey, whatever territory
• 55:33
  you don't take here will be a part of NATO. Well,
• 55:36
  what does that incentivize him to do? Take more of it? Then?
• 55:40
  Then why would you stop and give the rest of
• 55:43
  it up? And it does seem to me like that's
• 55:45
  that is clearly, at least from the Europeans, that is
• 55:48
  clearly the motivation of all of this is to present something.
• 55:53
  It's it's you know, they do have their chess war moves,
• 55:56
  and so you present something that you know the other
• 55:58
  side can't agree to, and then when data agree to it,
• 56:00
  you go, look, we tried to negotiate and he just
• 56:03
  wouldn't take us up on this, and so what can
• 56:05
  you do? God?
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: You know, another problem with these conflicts and war in
• 56:11
  general is that people always want to pretend that there's
• 56:14
  one side that's good on one side that's bad, you know,
• 56:17
  and obviously Putin's the bad guy, right because they started
• 56:21
  the war, started killing people in Ukraine. But there's so
• 56:26
  many factors that are going on. And then there's also
• 56:31
  the long history of corruption that Ukraine has always had.
• 56:35
  And then there's also the weird deals that they were
• 56:38
  making with the Biden family, the control all the different
• 56:43
  It was natural gas, and there's incredible supplies of rare
• 56:49
  earth minerals, and it's like really valuable, valuable territory. You know,
• 56:55
  there's this incentive to create some sort of there they
• 57:00
  were gonna try to, like I think part of the
• 57:04
  plan was like get off of Russian power and make
• 57:08
  Ukrainian power like central and then whatever they were making
• 57:14
  over there, the amount of power, I forget what the
• 57:16
  number was they said, but it's like trillions of dollars
• 57:20
  in natural gas, minerals, all these different things. We're supposed
• 57:24
  to pretend that that's not also a part of the motivation.
• 57:27
  Like it didn't even Trump say something about a deal
• 57:30
  that they were doing with Ukraine that involved.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he got sucked into this talk about the rare
• 57:36
  earth minerals stuff. And you know, it's Donald Trump. It's
• 57:38
  like his weakness because he's you know, there's a lot
• 57:40
  of great things about deals. Yeah, there's a lot of
• 57:42
  great things about coming from a business background. But then
• 57:44
  there's like the weakness of it is that he's always
• 57:46
  attracted by like like hey, Gaza could be beachfront property.
• 57:50
  You woh, you could just see him like come alive
• 57:53
  by the idea. Yeah, it's it's always this stuff. But
• 57:55
  then the problem is that you know, and look, I've
• 58:00
  been very harsh on Donald Trump over the last few months,
• 58:02
  but I think he deserves it, and I think this
• 58:04
  administration is failing on so many levels, so profoundly, especially
• 58:08
  given the opportunity that they had. But you know, I
• 58:10
  heard him the other day. He called into a Fox
• 58:13
  News show and it was he was like telling the
• 58:16
  story of the war in Ukraine. And it's like it
• 58:20
  just seems like he's telling like it seems like you
• 58:23
  learned this on a TV show, Like can we get
• 58:26
  some books.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: In your diet?
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean. Like it's like this
• 58:29
  is we really need someone here who's read a book
• 58:32
  about this, because he kind of had an idea of
• 58:34
  what he was talking about, but then he got it
• 58:36
  completely wrong. So he goes he's trying to tell the
• 58:39
  story and he's talking about the corruption of the Bidens
• 58:42
  in Ukraine, and you're like, okay, yes that is true,
• 58:44
  but like there's a whole story here that I don't
• 58:46
  think you're really understanding. Because he goes, he goes, look,
• 58:49
  this goes back to twenty fourteen. And so I'm watching
• 58:51
  this and I got like so excited. For a minute.
• 58:54
  I was like, yes, yes, it does go back to
• 58:55
  twenty fourteen, thank you, Donald Trump. And then he goes,
• 58:58
  it goes back to twenty fourteen when Putin took Crimea
• 59:02
  and Obama let him have it. He just let him
• 59:05
  have it. Never would have happened on my watch. But
• 59:07
  Obama gave Putin Ukraine. And you're like, no, dude, that's
• 59:11
  not just go back two months earlier in that same year.
• 59:14
  The problem wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine. The problem
• 59:18
  was that Obama took Ukraine away from Vladimir Putin. As
• 59:21
  I've played on your show and you played with Tulci Gabbert,
• 59:25
  the Director of National Intelligence, has sat right here where
• 59:28
  I'm sitting and watched Gideon Rose explain to Stephen Colbeer
• 59:31
  exactly what we're doing here Russia. As Gideon Rose, the
• 59:35
  editor of Foreign Affairs magazine, said, Russia is Batman, Ukraine
• 59:40
  is Robin. We are stealing Robin away from Batman. That's
• 59:44
  what the made On Revolution was. That's why the usaid
• 59:47
  in the any depoured one hundred million dollars into the
• 59:50
  street protest right, and so they overthrew the government, and
• 59:55
  then a bunch of the former Ukrainian prime ministers started
• 59:59
  flowing now that we should tear up the Sevestipol lease
• 1:00:04
  in Crimea, because you know, this is Russia's only year
• 1:00:07
  long warm water naval port. They've always had it. This
• 1:00:11
  was their agreement. They had like a fifty year lease
• 1:00:13
  or something like that. But after the West back to
• 1:00:15
  coup that overthrew the government and put in a pro
• 1:00:17
  Western government, they started talking big like, well, maybe we'll
• 1:00:20
  tear up that lease, and we will as a Vladimir
• 1:00:22
  Putin went no, I'll just take it, and that was
• 1:00:26
  like so anyway, so he goes back to that, doesn't
• 1:00:29
  go back a few months earlier, and then misses the
• 1:00:31
  entire point that no, so, cause like the point is
• 1:00:34
  that it's not just like me being like, oh, I
• 1:00:35
  wish Donald Trump was into the same books I'm in too,
• 1:00:37
  or something like that. The point is that when you
• 1:00:39
  don't get that piece of the chapter, then you miss
• 1:00:43
  what's happening right now. So when you're talking about like these, essentially,
• 1:00:47
  what Donald Trump was saying, the way he was trying
• 1:00:48
  to sell it to Zelensky was like, look, do this
• 1:00:50
  rare earth minerals deal with us? And this is kind
• 1:00:54
  of like a security guarantee. It's not exactly a security guarantee.
• 1:00:57
  But if we're in business with you and then Putin's
• 1:01:00
  trying to fuck up our business, hey, he's picking a
• 1:01:02
  fight with us too. But the whole point is that
• 1:01:05
  that's exactly what caused this whole catastrophe. Vladimir Putin and
• 1:01:10
  the entire Russian elite have been crystal clear about this
• 1:01:13
  that they go, look, we can tolerate a neutral Ukraine.
• 1:01:19
  We could tolerate NATO up to Ukraine. Ukraine is neutral,
• 1:01:23
  and then there's Russia. We cannot tolerate Ukraine being a
• 1:01:26
  part of America's military alliance. That's a step too far.
• 1:01:30
  But every time we try to let him be neutral,
• 1:01:33
  neutral seems like it's never good enough, and that never
• 1:01:35
  actually works. So if you're going to come in here
• 1:01:37
  and say neutral is not good enough. They're going to
• 1:01:39
  be part of the West, then we're gonna say, actually,
• 1:01:42
  we'll take him as part of Russia instead. Now he
• 1:01:44
  also believes, as he says all the time, which I
• 1:01:46
  just think is goofy and un American. But he also
• 1:01:49
  believes that like they're not really a real country and
• 1:01:51
  they're kind of historically ours anyway, and you know, he's
• 1:01:54
  got his own views on that, but that's not what
• 1:01:56
  the war was about. And everybody, you know, and when
• 1:01:59
  I was which I was very excited to do because I'm,
• 1:02:03
  you know, a weird romantic and have a you know,
• 1:02:07
  a dash of autism or something like that. But why,
• 1:02:09
  I was really excited because me and Douglas Murray are
• 1:02:11
  going to debate this issue. And I remember when he
• 1:02:13
  first goes, he goes, the war had nothing to do
• 1:02:15
  with Ukrainian entry into NATO, and I was like, okay, well,
• 1:02:18
  let me just hit you with two points real quick.
• 1:02:20
  Number one, the head of the CIA, you know, during
• 1:02:23
  all the years of Joe Biden, when he was the
• 1:02:26
  ambassador to Russia, he wrote the yet means yet memo.
• 1:02:29
  He literally said that this was all what it was
• 1:02:31
  all about and that Russia didn't want to do this,
• 1:02:33
  but they would if we kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO,
• 1:02:37
  and we did keep pushing it. And then I said
• 1:02:39
  the other one was Staltenberg, who is not anymore but
• 1:02:41
  was the head of NATO while this was happening, and
• 1:02:44
  he said that Vladimir Putin sent them in writing a
• 1:02:46
  draft treaty that all you have to do is put
• 1:02:49
  in writing that you will never bring Ukraine into NATO
• 1:02:52
  and I won't invade, and then he bragged it. We
• 1:02:54
  said no, and then he invaded. But so I said
• 1:02:58
  this to Douglas Murray and I was kind of curious.
• 1:03:00
  I was like, what's what's his response to this? Gonna be? Like,
• 1:03:03
  what is he going to say back to Maybe he's
• 1:03:05
  got something I've never heard before that I'm gonna have
• 1:03:07
  to be like, oh shit, I got to consider that.
• 1:03:08
  And his response was a libertarian quoting the CIA. I see,
• 1:03:14
  And You're like, wait, so that's your pivot is to
• 1:03:16
  I'm a hypocrite somehow, which isn't even hypocrisy, Like, yes,
• 1:03:20
  I think the CIA should be abolished. I also think
• 1:03:23
  it's relevant when the head of the CIA admits what
• 1:03:25
  the war was all about. I don't see you think.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: The CIA totally should be abolished. Don't you think we
• 1:03:29
  should kind of pay attention to what the fuck is
• 1:03:31
  going on in the world, giving a real life perspective,
• 1:03:35
  not a utopian perspective, but a real life perspective. There's
• 1:03:39
  terrorist groups all over the world plotting shit. Probably a
• 1:03:42
  good idea.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So what the CIA was originally like conceived of
• 1:03:48
  like essentially being a newspaper for the president, like being like, hey,
• 1:03:51
  we get all the real intelligence and we give it
• 1:03:53
  to you here. Yes, I one hundred percent think there's
• 1:03:55
  room for intelligence gathering. But what the CIA became is
• 1:03:59
  a paramilitary organization that starts wars and overthrows democratically elected
• 1:04:05
  governments all around the world, sells coke in the hood,
• 1:04:08
  and occasionally when they're bored, there's and when there's and
• 1:04:11
  maybe like on like a Tuesday, like a three day weekend,
• 1:04:14
  and then on Tuesday, maybe he's moved some crack into
• 1:04:16
  Los Angeles. No that I mean just should. I mean
• 1:04:20
  it's it's a disgrace to a professed free society. I
• 1:04:24
  mean it's it's look like when which we've also played
• 1:04:27
  on the show before, but when when Chuck Schumer was
• 1:04:31
  on with Rachel Maddow, which is one of the most
• 1:04:33
  amazing moments in the history of like corporate media, because
• 1:04:36
  what's amazing about it if you watch like the full thing,
• 1:04:40
  is that Rachel Maddow's asking him questions and he's given
• 1:04:43
  his Chuck Schumer, you know, political answers to all of them,
• 1:04:46
  however you feel about it. It's like they have their spiel.
• 1:04:48
  But then she breaks from script and she she preemptively
• 1:04:52
  apologizes to him. She goes, hey, I'm sorry to just
• 1:04:55
  throw this on you right now. This is it was
• 1:04:57
  in I believe January. It's either Decembrous sixteen or January seventeen.
• 1:05:01
  So Donald Trump has beat Hillary Clinton, but he's not
• 1:05:03
  president yet, he's president elect. And so she goes, sorry
• 1:05:07
  to to you know, throw you off, put you on
• 1:05:10
  the spot. But Donald Trump just tweeted this. So she's
• 1:05:12
  reading a tweet that he just tweeted live on air
• 1:05:16
  to the Senate Majority leader or minority leader at the time.
• 1:05:20
  So she reads of the tweet that's him, you know,
• 1:05:22
  trashing the CIA or something like that, and then Chuck
• 1:05:25
  Schumer just gives like his organic response, There was no
• 1:05:28
  script prepared for this. He wasn't planned on being asked
• 1:05:31
  this question. She just goes, look, here's Donald Trump talking
• 1:05:34
  about the CIA, and Chuck Schumer goes, he goes, I mean,
• 1:05:39
  Donald Trump, you want to go at the intelligence agencies?
• 1:05:42
  And his exact phrase was, they have seven ways till
• 1:05:46
  Sunday to get back at you.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so good.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: So in other and by the way, Rachel Matdow in
• 1:05:50
  this moment does not say pause the tape. What did
• 1:05:54
  you just say? Like, the most powerful Democrat in the
• 1:05:57
  Senate just admitted we don't live in a democracy. Just
• 1:06:00
  admitted that this whole thing's an illusion that the President
• 1:06:02
  of the United States is not the president of the
• 1:06:04
  United States. All our talk about democracy being on the ballot.
• 1:06:07
  Democracy has been gone for a long time, if it
• 1:06:09
  ever existed. You just straight up said that the duly
• 1:06:12
  elected commander in chief and chief executive of the United
• 1:06:17
  States of America ain't really the one who's in charge.
• 1:06:20
  Because you better not insult the CIA who worked for
• 1:06:24
  you ostensibly or supposedly, I should say, you know, and
• 1:06:29
  so like that's or they'll get you, or they'll get you,
• 1:06:31
  or they'll ruin you. And by the way, they did, yeh,
• 1:06:34
  didn't they? And this is the stuff which is very
• 1:06:36
  interesting that Tulsi is releasing now, which I don't know
• 1:06:42
  whether you know, I'm kind of past the point of
• 1:06:45
  like it's hard to take it's hard to take a
• 1:06:49
  lot of things about Donald Trump seriously to me at
• 1:06:51
  this point, you know, flaking on all types of that,
• 1:06:55
  you know, the Epstein stuff and just a lot of
• 1:06:58
  you know, kind of core things where like so Donald Trump,
• 1:07:00
  at least according to him, they stole the election. You know,
• 1:07:03
  I was thinking about this the other day because he
• 1:07:05
  was talking about in the same thing that I'm talking
• 1:07:07
  about when he called into Fox News. He was talking
• 1:07:09
  about the Ukraine War. He said at one point he goes, uh,
• 1:07:12
  he goes, the war never would have happened if I
• 1:07:14
  was president, which Putin threw him a bone and backed
• 1:07:17
  him up on that the other day and said the
• 1:07:18
  war wouldn't have happened if Trump was president. That doesn't
• 1:07:21
  just saying what just saying what. You know, he's smart enough, nice.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Thing to say. The guy likes being complimented.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: And Putin's smart enough to know that, Like this is
• 1:07:29
  how you negotiate with Donald Trump.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, never never started, my friends.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of a silly point. But aside from that,
• 1:07:39
  the so Donald Trump goes the he goes, it never
• 1:07:43
  would have happened if I was president, and then he
• 1:07:44
  takes it a step further than what he normally says
• 1:07:47
  and he goes, it wouldn't have even happened if anyone
• 1:07:50
  else was president. If we had just had a regular president,
• 1:07:53
  this war never would have happened. It's only because Joe Biden,
• 1:07:56
  the worst president in the history of America, was president.
• 1:07:59
  That that's why this happened. But then I'm sitting there
• 1:08:01
  as I listened to that, and I go, yeah, but dude,
• 1:08:03
  didn't you you told me that they cheated, like you
• 1:08:06
  didn't really lose the election in twenty twenty. That's but
• 1:08:08
  you've stuck to that story now for many years. So
• 1:08:12
  you're saying they cheated. You're making a similar claim here.
• 1:08:16
  They overthrew democracy, they installed Joe Biden, and a war
• 1:08:20
  where hundreds of thousands, maybe well over a million people
• 1:08:23
  have died happened because they cheated the election. Okay, So
• 1:08:27
  I'm going to need to know who they is, and
• 1:08:29
  I'm going to need to know when we're going to
• 1:08:31
  see him. Purp walked like you're the president, now you
• 1:08:34
  got your But all of us on some level don't
• 1:08:37
  really think they're going to start arresting people over the
• 1:08:40
  stolen election of twenty twenty.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: And you know, I don't think they have any evidence.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's right. I completely agree.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: Now, I think there's a lot of speculation and there's
• 1:08:50
  a lot of consideration about mail in ballots. Yes, there's
• 1:08:53
  a lot of shenanigans. There's a good record of shenanigans,
• 1:08:56
  and there's there's the reality of any kind of electronic
• 1:09:00
  can be hacked. No.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I so I agree with all of that. I'm just
• 1:09:03
  saying like, once you've made these statements and your administration
• 1:09:06
  has answered, now I remember it was one of the
• 1:09:08
  most interesting parts of your podcast with him, was like
• 1:09:11
  when you asked him about that, it was like you
• 1:09:13
  really didn't have anything to back it up.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: If that was you or if that was me, I mean,
• 1:09:17
  there was some reason why I knew that they did something,
• 1:09:21
  and I could give you all the facts. I would
• 1:09:23
  have that ready for anybody, because for four fucking years
• 1:09:27
  they've been telling him he's crazy for questioning the election. Yeah,
• 1:09:31
  so after four years, I'd have a fucking tight ten minutes.
• 1:09:35
  Yeah on the election where I could just rattle off
• 1:09:37
  at you and rock your world with it like this,
• 1:09:39
  these are the facts. Jack. Well.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: There's also there's a big difference between you know, speculating
• 1:09:46
  and asking some questions and being like, I'm not sure
• 1:09:48
  I believe the official story of this, And there's a
• 1:09:50
  difference between that being as a president of the United
• 1:09:53
  States going this is what happened, like this was and
• 1:09:56
  if you're going to say that, then you got to
• 1:09:58
  give me your theory, like really like out for me.
• 1:10:01
  And he never had that part, but I will say
• 1:10:05
  they they kind of pivoted off the Epstein thing into Russiagate,
• 1:10:09
  which seemed to be you know, like designed that there
• 1:10:12
  was this tremendous desires. The whole reason Donald Trump's political
• 1:10:17
  existence is a thing is that people are furious about
• 1:10:21
  the swamp. They're furious about how corrupt our government is
• 1:10:24
  and the profound crimes that the government has committed against
• 1:10:28
  the American people, and they want justice for that. And
• 1:10:31
  so they pivoted off of Ebstein after promising to deliver
• 1:10:35
  something on that, and then went, okay, well, how about
• 1:10:38
  Russiagate now, so now there. But I will say Tulsa
• 1:10:42
  Gabbard released a bunch of new documents and there were
• 1:10:45
  some pretty interesting ones there. It wasn't like she just
• 1:10:48
  released new stuf where it's like, oh, we already knew
• 1:10:50
  all this, Like there was new stuff in there that
• 1:10:51
  we didn't really already know. And she referred over to
• 1:10:54
  the Justice Department. She said in her press conference that
• 1:10:57
  we have proof that Obama committed treason, and they've at
• 1:11:00
  least sent it to the Justice Department. And from what
• 1:11:03
  I understand, there is a grand jury being assembled or
• 1:11:06
  something like that. So I don't know. I still did
• 1:11:09
  in the deepest part of my soul, golode there's no way,
• 1:11:12
  there's no way they're actually going to try to prosecute
• 1:11:15
  Obama and Brennan and Clapper and COMI.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: But the FBI rated John Boltons house today.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's unrelated. But that is an interesting
• 1:11:25
  story also.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like they're doing wild shit. But
• 1:11:29
  if they did that with Obama, what was the actual treason? Liked,
• 1:11:34
  what is she stating is treason?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: Well, so now I don't think she said treason. I
• 1:11:40
  don't think legally, that's technically right, but I've someone might
• 1:11:44
  correct me on that. Maybe it's sedition or something. I
• 1:11:46
  don't know. I mean, like, I think trees and I
• 1:11:48
  think John Brennan did commit treason when he armed al
• 1:11:51
  Qaeda in Syria, and Obama as well, with the rest
• 1:11:55
  of Obama and John Kerrey and Brennan, I think that's
• 1:11:57
  that's literally treason, right, giving a comfort to the enemy
• 1:12:01
  in a time of war. What Obama and Comy and
• 1:12:06
  Clapper did to Donald Trump is they framed him for treason.
• 1:12:11
  So what do you call that? Exactly? Framing the sitting
• 1:12:15
  US president. Now, I guess Obama can't be guilty of
• 1:12:17
  the current the sitting US president, but he was guilty
• 1:12:20
  of the candidate and the president elect, so because he
• 1:12:24
  was out of there by the time Trump comes in.
• 1:12:26
  But what Toulsy Gabbard released that I thought was very interesting,
• 1:12:29
  which I had never seen before, and we did I
• 1:12:31
  remember was last year or the year before, But there
• 1:12:34
  was one episode that me and you talked a lot
• 1:12:35
  about Russia Gate and got like pretty deep into it.
• 1:12:37
  But what Toulsi released, which I've never seen before, was
• 1:12:40
  that there was a consensus amongst the intelligence agencies after
• 1:12:45
  the twenty sixteen elections. So this is Hillary Clinton's lost,
• 1:12:49
  but Barack Obama is still president and Donald Trump is
• 1:12:51
  the president elect, and they had consensus that there was
• 1:12:54
  no meaningful interference in the election. And then there is
• 1:12:58
  this one meeting with Obama that she points to where
• 1:13:01
  this is where the consensus changes, and they had a
• 1:13:05
  new threat assessment written that actually, we believe Russia interfered
• 1:13:08
  in the election, but it was total bullshit. They've never
• 1:13:11
  been able to back it up for shit. You know,
• 1:13:13
  they find minor little things here or there, but nothing
• 1:13:15
  that demonstrates that, like the results of this were flipped.
• 1:13:19
  And then they they ran with that for three years
• 1:13:23
  after it.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: But there's not a record of that meeting, right, she just.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Released a bunch of documents with records of that meeting.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: No, But what I'm saying is, like the actual discussions
• 1:13:32
  is not on record. Now.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: I think they have that. She had a few they
• 1:13:35
  have to do that. No, she had, you know, she
• 1:13:38
  had a couple of different documents there that were like
• 1:13:40
  had notes from the meeting. I think one had minutes
• 1:13:42
  of the meeting. But no, you're not listening to an
• 1:13:44
  audio tape of it, like it we don't have like
• 1:13:47
  a Nixon, you know, talking about the gays and the
• 1:13:49
  Jews or something like that.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: Just trying to strong manner or steel mant. I'm saying, like,
• 1:13:54
  if it would it be possible that Obama knew something
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  that he could relate to them in the meeting.
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  Speaker 2: Be an interesting thing to find, you know, that'd be
• 1:14:03
  interesting for a court proceeding.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: But even if that's the case, it still doesn't align
• 1:14:08
  with the known facts.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, problem. Yeah, Well, well it's not Look,
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  I think we'll we'll see what comes of this, you know,
• 1:14:17
  which I'm again I'm not betting on anything coming of this,
• 1:14:21
  but there is something interesting. Look, there's a lot of
• 1:14:23
  things that happen after that. The real to me, the
• 1:14:27
  true outrage of Russia Gate is that they didn't stop
• 1:14:31
  after he won the presidency. It's still pretty outrageous to
• 1:14:34
  try to frame a candidate. It's still pretty outrageous for
• 1:14:36
  Hillary Clinton to have like opposition research and use an
• 1:14:40
  actual you know, Russian spy and a British spy to
• 1:14:43
  do it. But you know, that's campaign stuff. It's a
• 1:14:47
  little bit different, like once he becomes the commander in chief,
• 1:14:50
  then you have the FBI and the CIA still working
• 1:14:54
  to frame him and this so this is where and
• 1:14:57
  for all of that stuff. Hillary Clinton's gone, Baracko is gone,
• 1:15:00
  Brennan is gone, Comy is still there for at least
• 1:15:05
  a few months. And then you have like Andrew McCabe
• 1:15:08
  and people like that, who on his sixty minutes interview
• 1:15:12
  and anybody can go look at that, he literally said
• 1:15:16
  that they debated at the Justice Department, and this is
• 1:15:21
  the highest levels of the Justice Department. It was a
• 1:15:24
  I mean, Jeff Sessions would have been the Attorney General
• 1:15:26
  at the time, and he may have accused himself already
• 1:15:28
  by that time, so maybe not him, but then everybody else,
• 1:15:31
  like the top two three guys at the Justice Department
• 1:15:33
  all sat down and debated what to do, and they said,
• 1:15:37
  they decided, we're going to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment
• 1:15:41
  to remove Donald Trump as president. And that basically they
• 1:15:45
  went around and realized they weren't going to be able
• 1:15:47
  to do that, that they weren't going to have enough
• 1:15:48
  people in his cabinet willing to turn on him to
• 1:15:50
  invoke the twenty fifth Amendment, which, by you know, the
• 1:15:53
  twenty fifth Amendment is designed for Joe Biden. It's designed
• 1:15:55
  for we still didn't use it, even though these last
• 1:15:58
  few years is crazy. You know, even after the debate
• 1:16:01
  they go, we need a new candidate, but no one went, yeah,
• 1:16:04
  but this guy can't be commander in chief for the
• 1:16:05
  next six months. They just let him. But they said
• 1:16:08
  they were going to invoke the twenty fifth Amendment. This
• 1:16:10
  is on sixty minutes. Andrew mccape says this himself, and
• 1:16:13
  that they realized they couldn't do that, and so they
• 1:16:15
  settled on Robert Muller. They settled on a special prosecutor
• 1:16:21
  because they couldn't remove them. So this was their other attempt.
• 1:16:24
  We'll just bog them down. We'll investigate everything in his life.
• 1:16:28
  We'll find some crime somewhere. It's to this day a
• 1:16:31
  miracle that they didn't. I can't believe they didn't find
• 1:16:34
  any other dirt on Donald Trump. I always thought when
• 1:16:36
  Muller started being the special prosecutor, I've literally and you
• 1:16:39
  can listen to my podcast. I'm on record if you
• 1:16:42
  want to go part of the problem available where podcasts
• 1:16:44
  are sold, you could listen back to I said at
• 1:16:46
  the time I go, they're not gonna find anything on
• 1:16:48
  Russia Gate because there's nothing there. This is all made up.
• 1:16:51
  But they're gonna find something. The guy's been a real
• 1:16:53
  estate developer in New York City for how many decades now, Everyone,
• 1:16:57
  every real estate developer has committed a few crimes. And
• 1:17:00
  they found nothing. They locked up, you know, they charged
• 1:17:02
  a bunch of his people around him with tax crimes
• 1:17:06
  and other things that had nothing to do with Russia Gate.
• 1:17:08
  Then they tried to put pressure on them to flip
• 1:17:10
  on him. That's how they do these things. None of
• 1:17:12
  them had anything on him, and so anyway, so they
• 1:17:15
  got But the point is that it was the deep
• 1:17:19
  state attempting to remove the sitting president of the United
• 1:17:22
  States of America. Also, something that they knew was bullshit.
• 1:17:25
  You know, you had people Eric Swalwell was out on
• 1:17:28
  cable news saying not only an asset, saying Donald Trump
• 1:17:32
  is a Russian agent agent, He's working for Vladimir Putin,
• 1:17:38
  he's his guy here. And they all knew this was bullshit.
• 1:17:42
  I mean, online ad nausea oh an, online on CNN,
• 1:17:47
  on MSNBC, on ABCCBS every day, Trump Russia collusion.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: And many of those same people are still telling you
• 1:17:53
  what's true. Many of those same people are still in
• 1:17:56
  front of a camera telling you what's true.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still that's right. Then they're still and they're
• 1:18:01
  the same ones up there going we got to arm
• 1:18:03
  Ukraine till the end. We got to give Israel more
• 1:18:05
  bombs to drop on the Palestinians.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Even covering this, like, how is MSNBC handling this Telsey
• 1:18:12
  Gabbert revelation?
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I think by changing their name to ms now, you're
• 1:18:16
  supposed to forget.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: So did NBC bail out? So Microsoft and NBC are
• 1:18:21
  together in this joint venture that's MSNBC.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they uh, you know, I don't know
• 1:18:26
  exactly what they're doing, but they I saw it was
• 1:18:29
  announced the other day that they're changing it from MSNBC
• 1:18:32
  to MS now.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Do they think it's toxic?
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: I guess so. I guess they're not wrong.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: They're not wrong. They fucked it up. They got rid
• 1:18:41
  of some people, though, but they kept the Queen Rachel Maddow.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: I think she's the only one who pulls in any
• 1:18:49
  type of numbers.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: You know, she's also she's what she did during COVID
• 1:18:52
  was so preposterous just that alone. There's so many times
• 1:18:57
  where she's you know, Matt Tyby wrote a great book
• 1:19:02
  Hate inc And he basically said, Rachel Maddow is the
• 1:19:06
  lefts Bill O'Reilly.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's that's about fair.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's really if I was not fair to
• 1:19:12
  Bill O'Reilly.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly was pretty rough in his day. I mean,
• 1:19:16
  I don't know, I.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Don't know if he's as inaccurate, like that was horror horribly.
• 1:19:25
  It was bad COVID stuff and then the Russia stuff, Like,
• 1:19:28
  is there a thing that you could point to that
• 1:19:30
  Bill O'Reilly pushed that was a hoax for years? Iraq?
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: I mean they were so bad on Iraq, Dude, Bill
• 1:19:36
  O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and all those guys. I mean
• 1:19:39
  they were just like, I mean, it's just like as
• 1:19:42
  if it was a certainty every day it was a
• 1:19:45
  certainty that nuclear weapons and you know, I mean, I
• 1:19:49
  don't know, you could debate what's worse. I mean, you know, no,
• 1:19:53
  that's worse. Well yeah, well yeah, I mean a million
• 1:19:56
  people died, so there's a strong argument that that's worse
• 1:19:59
  than other things. But there is something about Look, first
• 1:20:03
  of all, there is something about framing the sitting US president.
• 1:20:07
  That truly is a crime against the Republic in a
• 1:20:10
  profound sense. But the other thing about Russia Gate, which
• 1:20:13
  I think makes it, you know, where you could maybe
• 1:20:16
  enter into the debate and then COVID, you know, you
• 1:20:20
  can argue with all these things. That's quite as bad
• 1:20:22
  as the war in Iraq, I don't know, really destroyed
• 1:20:24
  a lot of people's lives. But the part of the
• 1:20:28
  reason why they framed Donald Trump. So in twenty sixteen,
• 1:20:31
  Donald Trump was explicitly running on He talked about this
• 1:20:34
  like all the debates, and in the beautiful kind of
• 1:20:37
  childlike Trumpian way where he just has no filter, so
• 1:20:40
  he just says the thing that's in his mind. And
• 1:20:42
  then he often thinks he's like a genius because no
• 1:20:44
  one else has said this out loud. But it's not
• 1:20:46
  that they haven't thought of it. It's just that they're
• 1:20:48
  all corrupt. But he just said because at the time,
• 1:20:52
  the war in Syria was going on, and Donald Trump
• 1:20:56
  would just say, why are we in Russia on opposite
• 1:20:59
  side and the war in Syria? You know, Russia's trying
• 1:21:02
  to kill the terrorists, that's who we're trying to kill.
• 1:21:05
  Because Obama and Brennan had been siding with the terrorists.
• 1:21:08
  They had been funding al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria
• 1:21:10
  to try to overthrow Bishah Alasad because that was part
• 1:21:12
  of the clean break strategy to the seven countries in
• 1:21:15
  five years. This was the next guy they were trying
• 1:21:17
  to overthrow. They ended up getting that regime change earlier
• 1:21:19
  this year, but so they were working on that and
• 1:21:22
  then Trump just went, we should be friends with Putin
• 1:21:25
  and we should work together on killing the terrorts. I
• 1:21:26
  don't care about overthrowing Asad. I'm not in on that plan.
• 1:21:29
  I don't even know what you're talking about. Why would
• 1:21:31
  we want to overthrow the secular dictator in a three
• 1:21:33
  piece suit who shaves his chin like He's just like,
• 1:21:35
  this is stupid. I don't want to be a part
• 1:21:37
  of that. And he was running on, we should be
• 1:21:39
  friends with Russia, and this drove all of the Republicans, crazy, man,
• 1:21:43
  we should be friends with Russia. But that was just
• 1:21:45
  what he was running on. And so part of the
• 1:21:47
  deal of framing him for being in a conspiracy with
• 1:21:51
  Vladimir Putin was that he couldn't be friends with Russia anymore.
• 1:21:55
  And so, you know, because if Donald Trump had come
• 1:21:57
  in in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen and announced some
• 1:22:00
  new treaty with Vladimir Putin or some partnership or something
• 1:22:03
  like that, the entire media would have been like, see,
• 1:22:06
  that's proof we've been telling you he's in with Vladimir.
• 1:22:09
  When he just he went to Helsinki, I think, aside
• 1:22:14
  from this week, I think that was the last time
• 1:22:16
  the two of them were face to face was in
• 1:22:18
  Finland in twenty seventeen. I could be wrong about that,
• 1:22:21
  but I think that was the last time the two
• 1:22:22
  of them were together. And there was this big thing.
• 1:22:24
  I don't know if you remember this, but it was
• 1:22:26
  a big deal at the time. It was that Donald
• 1:22:28
  Trump said they asked him what you know. They were like, hey,
• 1:22:30
  your intelligence agencies are saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in
• 1:22:33
  the election. Did you ask him about that? And Trump goes,
• 1:22:36
  I asked him about that, and he told me he
• 1:22:37
  didn't interfere in the election, and I believe him. And
• 1:22:40
  then they made a huge thing about this on foreign soil.
• 1:22:43
  Donald Trump says he believes Vladimir Putin over his own
• 1:22:46
  intelligence agency. You know, the men and women who protect
• 1:22:49
  us every day, the men and women who framed the
• 1:22:52
  sitting president, and.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: So that's hilarious, what a trap.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: But so that's that's kind of the game right there.
• 1:22:58
  And then you had these these like ConfL that are
• 1:23:00
  going on, and not just ultimately what you know in Ukraine, right,
• 1:23:04
  the civil war was already going on there. I mean
• 1:23:06
  the civil war started after twenty fourteen. This was like
• 1:23:09
  right in the middle of that civil war. And so anyway,
• 1:23:11
  my point is just to compare it to Iraq. Who
• 1:23:15
  knows how big of a deal was it to poison
• 1:23:18
  a US president who wanted to have the talk with
• 1:23:20
  Putin at that time, like maybe we could have avoided
• 1:23:23
  this whole thing. And that's the death toll it, you know,
• 1:23:27
  I don't know, I've seen different reporting on it, but
• 1:23:29
  it's close to Iraq. I mean, it's it's I think
• 1:23:32
  it's more military and less civilians, which does matter, but it's.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Up there matter when you're forcing civilians.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Well that's a good point. That's a good point too. Yeah,
• 1:23:41
  that's right. So you know, I mean, look, it still
• 1:23:43
  changes the moral calculation a little bit when someone puts
• 1:23:46
  on a uniform and is holding a gun. It's a
• 1:23:48
  little bit different than a kid or something like that,
• 1:23:51
  but you know, the crime of killing the potential for
• 1:23:57
  a president to make peace with Putin. I mean, and
• 1:24:00
  this is you know, this is the thing that's so
• 1:24:01
  like infuriating about all of it and something that really
• 1:24:07
  you know, it's like, well, you know, I'm told like
• 1:24:09
  I'm not an expert or you're just a comedian. It's like,
• 1:24:11
  leave this to the serious experts here. But the thing
• 1:24:13
  that's so goddamn frustrating and just like profoundly reckless is
• 1:24:22
  that look like when the Soviet Union collapsed in nineteen
• 1:24:24
  ninety one, and you could go back before that, but like,
• 1:24:26
  let's just take that as a point to start, Like
• 1:24:29
  it should have been obvious to any re Like if
• 1:24:32
  there really was this class of experts, I would be
• 1:24:34
  so happy to turn this over to that. Let me
• 1:24:36
  go tell jokes at the mothership. That's what I'm supposed
• 1:24:38
  to do, not this like fine, But the thing is,
• 1:24:41
  if there were serious, rational adults who had wisdom way
• 1:24:44
  beyond what some shit talking comedian knows about which there
• 1:24:48
  should be, and then they would have recognized that, like
• 1:24:51
  the most important priority in the history of the world
• 1:24:55
  is the relationship between DC and Moscow. There's never been
• 1:24:58
  anything more important than that. And that doesn't even matter
• 1:25:00
  whether you're a Russian or an American. You could, like,
• 1:25:03
  it doesn't matter if you live in Brazil or wherever.
• 1:25:05
  That the most important thing in the history of the
• 1:25:07
  world is these two capitals that have like ninety percent
• 1:25:11
  of the world's nuclear weapons between the two of them,
• 1:25:13
  get along, okay, you know, like, this is the most
• 1:25:16
  important thing. This could end our species if they don't, so, like,
• 1:25:19
  let's make sure they do. And that seemed to have
• 1:25:23
  been the priority of almost no one in power. A
• 1:25:27
  few exceptions to that, but almost nobody went like so again,
• 1:25:32
  my point is poisoning the relationship between a president who
• 1:25:36
  wants peace with Russia is on the level of launching
• 1:25:39
  a war in Iraq. I mean, it's like, it's that
• 1:25:41
  bad of a thing to do, and hopefully it doesn't
• 1:25:44
  get to that point, but is a profoundly reckless thing
• 1:25:49
  to do.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up there. Yeah, it's it's just it's so
• 1:25:55
  tangled that at this One of the things about politics
• 1:26:00
  I think for most people that's so frustrating is because
• 1:26:02
  you don't see a way out. You don't see like, oh,
• 1:26:04
  if we just do this, that and this, you know,
• 1:26:07
  and people say things like, oh, we just need to
• 1:26:09
  take money out of politics. Uh yeah, how you can
• 1:26:14
  do that? Well, I think that's crazy. We should just
• 1:26:17
  make all people honest.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: How about yeah, yeah, yeah, that might be easier. Well
• 1:26:21
  there's also you know, that's a that's like it's a
• 1:26:26
  it's a talking point. I don't even mean to downplay that,
• 1:26:29
  like I'm not. It's a it's an understandable point. Correct,
• 1:26:33
  It's a nice idea. I think the issue like this
• 1:26:36
  is what I've always seen, like the issue with the
• 1:26:38
  kind of take money out of politics angle and why
• 1:26:41
  I think the better approach is to take politics out
• 1:26:45
  of money, like I think, and I'm not saying either
• 1:26:48
  as easy to do, but the issue that you have,
• 1:26:50
  and I know that there's a lot of like people
• 1:26:52
  I really love, really say that all the time, go
• 1:26:55
  like you got to take money out of politics, and
• 1:26:57
  I would certainly support like if there was I think
• 1:27:00
  Round Paul had a proposal a few years ago where
• 1:27:04
  it was like, if you make any money from a
• 1:27:07
  government contract, you should not be allowed to work in
• 1:27:11
  that sector for twenty years after you made there, or
• 1:27:14
  something like there's something like you shouldn't be able to
• 1:27:17
  be a defense contractor, and then you know what I mean,
• 1:27:20
  go into yes so and anything like that probably is
• 1:27:23
  a good idea. If you can get it past, good
• 1:27:25
  luck getting it passed. But like that's but the issue
• 1:27:27
  really comes, like the main the major problem is that
• 1:27:34
  Washington DC is the most powerful, you know, organization in
• 1:27:38
  the history of the world. That they spend seven trillion
• 1:27:40
  dollars a year, and this is that is so much power,
• 1:27:44
  Like it's just it's hard to quantify. It's it's literally
• 1:27:47
  like like if you you think about it in your
• 1:27:49
  mind rightly, you think about like how much money Elon
• 1:27:53
  Musk has, and then just to think that one year
• 1:27:56
  of federal spending is like squashing him like an ant,
• 1:28:00
  Like it's nothing, dude, Like the money Elon Musk has
• 1:28:03
  is nothing compared to seven trillion dollars. You know, that's
• 1:28:06
  just one year what they spend in Washington, DC. And
• 1:28:09
  when you have that much concentrated power, the idea of saying, well,
• 1:28:13
  we're going to write a rule that says nobody's allowed
• 1:28:17
  to try to manipulate that power, it's like okay, and
• 1:28:21
  then you know, look there are rules.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: There's all types of runny way to put it, because
• 1:28:26
  it's like so undeniable.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: Well, look, there are rules that say that, like foreigners
• 1:28:31
  aren't allowed to contribute to political campaigns, and like there's
• 1:28:36
  different regulations on all of them. But like Saudi Arabia
• 1:28:40
  is not allowed to give Hillary Clinton's campaign ten million dollars,
• 1:28:46
  but they could give the Clinton Foundation ten million dollars,
• 1:28:49
  you know what I mean. So, like you write these rules,
• 1:28:51
  they find another way to do it. By the way,
• 1:28:52
  all that mighty the Clint Foundation was making so much
• 1:28:54
  money until right around twenty sixteen when everyone stopped donating
• 1:28:59
  to It's just so weird, Like the Saudis were really
• 1:29:03
  into charity, you know, until right around that. So the
• 1:29:08
  point is that you can't. The only thing, like, it's
• 1:29:11
  not the lesson of the Lord of the Rings. Wasn't
• 1:29:15
  like we really need some common sense regulations about how
• 1:29:18
  you use this ring, right, Like the lesson is that
• 1:29:22
  you have to destroy this thing. And that's tough. I'm
• 1:29:25
  not saying that's easy. I don't know who our frodo is.
• 1:29:28
  But the point is that this power has So this
• 1:29:32
  is fundamentally I think why I think the Ron Paul.
• 1:29:35
  Libertarians have it right, and while I really do respect
• 1:29:38
  some other left wingers, I think they have it wrong
• 1:29:41
  when they go like, no, we need the government to
• 1:29:43
  be working for us rather than working for them. It's
• 1:29:46
  like that is unrealistic. It's unrealistic enough that we'll just
• 1:29:49
  be able to cut But the answer is that there
• 1:29:51
  should be way less power in Washington, DC. And that's
• 1:29:55
  the whole that's George Washington's constitutional republic that we are
• 1:29:58
  supposed to be living un dark is the idea is
• 1:30:00
  that there's like, oh, Washington DC has very little power.
• 1:30:03
  The states have a lot of power. That people have
• 1:30:04
  a lot of power. It's not all concentrated in one capital,
• 1:30:08
  because then you get what we have.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and once it's fully secured like it is now
• 1:30:15
  and just deeply ingrained, like the tentacles of this octopus
• 1:30:21
  goes so deep. There's so much money involved, and there's
• 1:30:25
  so many people that are in a position of power,
• 1:30:27
  it's like it's very it's very hard to change what
• 1:30:31
  it is now. Only I think the best hope that
• 1:30:35
  we have is is going to sound ridiculously romantic, but youth.
• 1:30:41
  I think there's people that are growing up now that
• 1:30:44
  have a better understanding of how things work than ever before.
• 1:30:48
  You know, this guy Michael Button was on the other
• 1:30:51
  Day's a historian or you know, his degree in ancient history,
• 1:30:56
  and we were talking about how science changes one funeral
• 1:31:00
  at a time. You know, I think politics probably changes
• 1:31:04
  one funeral at a time too, and the way, you know, Like,
• 1:31:10
  I don't agree with this Mandani guy, the guy in
• 1:31:12
  New York City, But I also don't agree that this
• 1:31:16
  should be this massive coordinated campaign from both sides to
• 1:31:20
  make sure that he doesn't get into power because you
• 1:31:23
  don't agree with him. Like, I think a lot of
• 1:31:25
  the stuff he's saying is ridiculous, like using New York
• 1:31:29
  City funds to pay for transgender surgeries for people who
• 1:31:32
  can't afford him. Like I'm a n a on that, Yeah,
• 1:31:35
  but it just sounds nuts. It sounds like you're only
• 1:31:38
  going for that nutty vote, Like you want that nutty vote.
• 1:31:40
  But are we what is this? Are we allowed to disagree?
• 1:31:45
  So I disagree. I don't support that. I don't support
• 1:31:49
  a lot of the stuff he's saying. The raising of
• 1:31:51
  taxes I think is going to be really problematic. But
• 1:31:53
  I'm not an economist. But what is this game we're playing?
• 1:31:58
  Is it? The people get to vote? Because the people voted,
• 1:32:02
  and they voted, and he won the primary, so it's
• 1:32:03
  supposed to be the Democrats get behind him and then
• 1:32:06
  it's the Democrats versus their public or are we doing
• 1:32:08
  something different?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, the people get to vote, but if they vote wrong,
• 1:32:12
  then the powerful might have to come in and let
• 1:32:15
  the people know that they have aired and they're.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: You know, but it's a unique time to see a power.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: Look, there's he's and I should, I guess, preface by saying,
• 1:32:25
  first of all, I find this this race to be
• 1:32:27
  a fascinating microcosm of where we're at politically in so
• 1:32:31
  many different ways. And I am I should preface by saying,
• 1:32:34
  I am the most free market, capitalist, libertarian guy. I
• 1:32:39
  don't believe in socialism at all. There's most libertarians are
• 1:32:43
  communists compare to me, like, I believe in the less
• 1:32:45
  whatever government you believe, and I believe in less than that.
• 1:32:48
  So I do not agree with mom Donnie's, you know,
• 1:32:50
  any of his economic policies. There is something though, that
• 1:32:55
  you just can't deny where it's like, okay, look, first
• 1:32:58
  of all, you got this young guy who's kind of
• 1:33:01
  the anti establishment candidate.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: He's an immigrant.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 2: He's an immigrant, he's a newcomer to politics, he is
• 1:33:09
  a newcomer to being a citizen of the country. However
• 1:33:11
  you feel about that, he was His campaign was laser
• 1:33:16
  focused on one issue, which was the unaffordability of New
• 1:33:19
  York City, which if anybody at all is familiar with
• 1:33:22
  New York City, that is the issue of New York City.
• 1:33:25
  It's the issue for ninety nine percent of the people
• 1:33:28
  who live in New York City. The top one percent
• 1:33:29
  in New York City are doing great, but the everybody
• 1:33:33
  else is just struggling to get by. You know, you're
• 1:33:35
  either rich or you're struggling in New York City, and
• 1:33:38
  the prices have gone up dramatically in the last few years.
• 1:33:40
  So he just ran his whole campaign laser focused on that.
• 1:33:43
  Then the establishment comes in and they run Andrew Cuomo,
• 1:33:49
  the disgraced former governor who murdered old people in nursing homes,
• 1:33:55
  who got you know, had a me too thing which
• 1:33:57
  I don't know how legit that was, but got driven
• 1:33:59
  out into grace governor lockdown, representing the failure that just
• 1:34:04
  wrecked this city is and then what did they try
• 1:34:07
  to hit him on. It was Israel. They thought that
• 1:34:10
  was his weakness. It was, dude, that debate was the
• 1:34:13
  most amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. They
• 1:34:17
  they it's like imagine picking you know, It's like it's
• 1:34:22
  literally like if you were if you were fighting like
• 1:34:25
  Islam Makachev or something like that, and you went, I'm
• 1:34:28
  going to attack his wrestling. That's where I think he's weak.
• 1:34:31
  And you're like, wait, what, No, like that's his strength.
• 1:34:34
  What do you mean is they thought this, they'd go
• 1:34:37
  they and they bring it up and go through all
• 1:34:38
  the candidates. They go, he hasn't even pledged to go
• 1:34:41
  visit Israel.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: Was the first thing that they would do once they
• 1:34:45
  became mayor's good will go to Israel. And then he said,
• 1:34:48
  I'm gonna stay here.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: I'll stay here in New York. He goes, I'll talk
• 1:34:51
  to Jewish people who are right here in New York City.
• 1:34:52
  I don't need to go to Israel. And then they
• 1:34:54
  and then the funniest thing that might have won him
• 1:34:57
  it helped well, well, you know, they they actually thought
• 1:35:01
  that pointing out that this guy, which by the way,
• 1:35:04
  the mayor of New York City has nothing to do
• 1:35:05
  with foreign policy anyway. But they thought that pointing out
• 1:35:09
  to everybody that this guy doesn't carry the baggage of
• 1:35:13
  supporting the War Party, but we all support the War
• 1:35:16
  Party was gonna win over liberal New Yorkers, like how
• 1:35:20
  how out of touch do you have to be? And
• 1:35:22
  then and this is Jude. I gotta say just something
• 1:35:24
  that's so fascinating about the whole broader Israel Palestine and
• 1:35:27
  Palestine debate discussion is that he Goes at one point,
• 1:35:30
  you know, he said that he's like a one state
• 1:35:32
  solution guy. And for people who follow this stuff, you know,
• 1:35:34
  there's some people believe in a two state solutions, some
• 1:35:36
  believe in a one state solution, some believe in the
• 1:35:38
  status quo, which is just like apartheid forever or whatever.
• 1:35:41
  But he goes, I believe, he Goes, I think Israel
• 1:35:44
  as a right to exist as a state with equal
• 1:35:46
  rights for everyone, you know, like everybody gets equal rights.
• 1:35:50
  And they tried to make that out to be like
• 1:35:55
  an evil statement, which is just was so hilarious to
• 1:35:59
  me that they're just is one guy goes, I believe
• 1:36:01
  in equal rights for all, and they went Nazi which
• 1:36:04
  is says Nazi with his equal rights for all talk anyway, nobody,
• 1:36:10
  It just had no effect on anything other than to
• 1:36:12
  just be like, oh, he also doesn't have the baggage
• 1:36:15
  of supporting this genocide, which is very unpopular, so okay,
• 1:36:19
  and so anyway, it's just like, well, he's focused on
• 1:36:22
  the actual crisis, which is the unaffordability of New York City.
• 1:36:25
  They're talking about supporting this war, which has nothing to
• 1:36:28
  do with the role of the mayor anyway, and it's
• 1:36:30
  just like, you look at it, you can't believe that
• 1:36:33
  that's actually what they tried to attack him on. And
• 1:36:36
  so yeah, he won.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I think they're terrified of young people that are
• 1:36:39
  popular like that. Yeah, like a young person who's a
• 1:36:42
  really good speaker, who's popular, who has ideas that. Look,
• 1:36:46
  if you're living in New York City and you're struggling
• 1:36:48
  and someone comes along and says, the problem that you're
• 1:36:51
  having is rich people are making too much money, and
• 1:36:53
  we're going to redistribute that down to people. That sounds
• 1:36:57
  really attractive, and there's a lot more of them than
• 1:36:59
  they're are of the rich folks, and they'll vote them in.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's right. And especially there's there's a reason why,
• 1:37:06
  you know, socialism is becoming so attractive to young people.
• 1:37:09
  And I think it's like what I was laying out before.
• 1:37:10
  They can't afford anything. There's no there's no path for
• 1:37:13
  them to get into the ownership class.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: It's not just that, it's the looming fear of AI
• 1:37:19
  taking away all jobs.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I'm sure that's that's part of my case.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about it. A lot of the kids that
• 1:37:25
  they go to high school with talk about it. I
• 1:37:27
  talk to college kids that are talking about it. I
• 1:37:30
  was talking to this guy about it. He's like, I
• 1:37:32
  really don't know what to do with my life because
• 1:37:34
  it feels like everything's going to be taken up by AI.
• 1:37:36
  That's a crazy place to be, Like, you're you're you're
• 1:37:39
  waiting for this thing to come alive and see what
• 1:37:43
  it leaves behind. Yeah, because that's what it is. It's
• 1:37:46
  going to be this all consuming thing. And then their
• 1:37:51
  solution that everybody talks about is some sort of payment
• 1:37:56
  plan for everyone, some universal basic income payment plan where
• 1:37:59
  everybody gets paid. But the boy does that stop dissent?
• 1:38:03
  But when you're completely reliant on the state to pay
• 1:38:07
  for you and you just you just live, You just exist,
• 1:38:11
  and you don't need to work anymore because AI is
• 1:38:13
  taking off all the jobs and now you don't have
• 1:38:15
  any purpose. You have to go find a purpose by
• 1:38:18
  Some people are gonna find a purpose. There's a lot
• 1:38:20
  of people that just have that go get them instinct,
• 1:38:22
  and they're gonna be fine. There's a small percentage of
• 1:38:24
  people that are just gonna plow ahead regardless of even if,
• 1:38:27
  like the government gives you fifty sixty thousand dollars a
• 1:38:30
  year and you live fine and you don't have to
• 1:38:31
  sweat bills. There's gonna be a bunch of people that
• 1:38:35
  just get into drugs and they their life falls apart
• 1:38:39
  and they have no sense of purpose. They have nothing
• 1:38:42
  to do, and you're gonna have to like refigure out
• 1:38:45
  how to structure society. That's what these kids are going through.
• 1:38:48
  They're going through this weird feeling that everything is about
• 1:38:51
  to fall apart right in front of their face while
• 1:38:54
  we run face first for that cliff. We're running right
• 1:38:58
  to the edge of that cliff, full cliff, saying we
• 1:39:00
  got to go over the cliff.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's a lot of well, it's a lot
• 1:39:03
  of these things all happening at once too. And also
• 1:39:06
  the young generation is totally outside of the corporate media
• 1:39:10
  model and they're just not even listening. It's not like
• 1:39:13
  they do they watch MSNBC or Fox New No, they don't.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: The list of the age, Like, there's a graph that
• 1:39:21
  got put out of the median age for people that
• 1:39:24
  watch cable news versus podcasts all these other different things.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: I think I have it on my phone. It's fucking
• 1:39:33
  bananas because the median age for cable news is like seventy.
• 1:39:40
  It's like seventy year old people. That's the median. Yeah,
• 1:39:44
  And with podcasts it's like twenty four to thirty four's
• 1:39:49
  the median YouTube is like thirty four. Netflix is a
• 1:39:53
  little higher. Netflix is like in the forties because everybody
• 1:39:56
  uses Netflix. Is this it? Yeah, average media landscape, So
• 1:40:03
  cable news seventy, primetime TV sixty five. Those are the
• 1:40:08
  brain dead people laughing at terrible sitcoms and watching whatever
• 1:40:13
  the fuck else is on newspaper sixty years old, talk
• 1:40:16
  radio fifty eight, magazines fifty two podcast thirty four.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: That sounds I mean that's the good of that, right.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: That is right, that's about accurate, But there's a lot
• 1:40:28
  you know.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Now the go and then go and see because I
• 1:40:31
  have looked at polling data on this where you go
• 1:40:34
  look at who's who's supporting Israel, it's those cable news watching. Yeah,
• 1:40:40
  it's the seventy and overcrowd. Is who they still got?
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: What I would be interested in saying is like, what
• 1:40:46
  percentage of people that are thirty four are listening to
• 1:40:49
  cable news? Is there a number on that? Three of them?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: Are?
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Three of them cost the money and three don't? Also,
• 1:40:57
  that's so interesting, right, will cost money?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Primetime TV doesn't though, right? Newspaper magazines though, yeah they do.
• 1:41:05
  Newspaper costs money. Magazines cost money. But everybody, you have
• 1:41:09
  to pay for cable if you want it, and most
• 1:41:10
  kids don't have cable anymore. Most kids just get a
• 1:41:13
  Netflix account or a Paramount account and you get all
• 1:41:16
  the great shows Disney plus you get all the superhero movies.
• 1:41:21
  Most people don't, you know, young kids. If you're if
• 1:41:23
  you have to budget and you have to choice between
• 1:41:27
  you know, a bunch of channels that just have things
• 1:41:29
  running on them all the time, or you pick what
• 1:41:31
  you watch anytime you want.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: To the Internet give me the Internet.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: The fucking Internet on their TV. They want Netflix. They
• 1:41:38
  don't want this cable news nonsense where I have to
• 1:41:41
  listen to someone at eight pm and then every five
• 1:41:44
  minutes there's a fucking commercial. You have to be like
• 1:41:47
  brought into that world and accustomed to it. You try
• 1:41:51
  to show a kid a commercial today and they're like,
• 1:41:53
  what the fuck?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even just the whole fake thing is the
• 1:42:00
  whole just fake thing about their presentation and all of this.
• 1:42:02
  It just does not It doesn't work. If you didn't, like,
• 1:42:05
  if you didn't transition from like Walter Cronkite into that,
• 1:42:09
  that's not gonna work for you anymore. But I do
• 1:42:11
  think so this is like a it's it's you know,
• 1:42:14
  I was just looking at this the other day though,
• 1:42:17
  where it's like, which is really, you know, even to
• 1:42:19
  me is kind of something I would not have been
• 1:42:22
  able to even fathom or predict a couple of years ago.
• 1:42:25
  But the way in which every demographic has turned against
• 1:42:30
  Israel over this shit in Gaza, except essentially boomer Republicans,
• 1:42:35
  who are still as strong as they've ever been in
• 1:42:37
  supporting them, But every you know Israel is it's it's
• 1:42:42
  really in many ways like the third rail of American pop, like,
• 1:42:45
  this is the thing you are not allowed to talk about.
• 1:42:47
  This is the thing that we get you fired from CNN,
• 1:42:50
  would get you kicked out of DC, would get your
• 1:42:52
  your career ruined. You know. Pap Buchanan made a joke
• 1:42:56
  once on Theglaughlin Group, like years ago, like decades ago.
• 1:43:00
  You had a joke once where he said something about
• 1:43:02
  he said, Congress, is Israel occupied territory or something like that,
• 1:43:06
  and he for the rest of his career. This was
• 1:43:08
  the scandal, this was hit. Pieces were written about this.
• 1:43:12
  Now the young people are totally outside of that ecosystem
• 1:43:17
  and they're just hearing from different people and they're like, no,
• 1:43:21
  I'm not buying it, and it's you know, I think
• 1:43:23
  it's a mix of a few things, Like I think
• 1:43:26
  it's just that, you know, we have the technology. It's
• 1:43:29
  in four K. You can see what Israel is doing
• 1:43:32
  to Gaza. It is so evil that it's damn near
• 1:43:34
  impossible to find a way. I mean, some people do,
• 1:43:38
  but it is really difficult to find a way to
• 1:43:40
  be like I'm actually okay with that. It's been going
• 1:43:43
  on for years at this point, and then the second
• 1:43:48
  thing is just that like the relationship between the US
• 1:43:50
  government and the Israeli government is so freaking bizarre that
• 1:43:54
  once you see it, and once a whole generation of
• 1:43:56
  young people see it, it's like impossible for them to
• 1:43:59
  un see it. And and you know, it's.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Just took New York City mayoral palm.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's this and the idea that it is,
• 1:44:08
  you know, the idea that it's just accepted is normal
• 1:44:12
  that the politicians for your country must worship this other country.
• 1:44:19
  And you're like, so, what did that other country like
• 1:44:20
  beat us in a war and they're occupying us now
• 1:44:23
  and you're like, no, no, you're the superpower. They're your
• 1:44:26
  welfare country, you know. But yet you must go kiss
• 1:44:30
  their wall, you must say Tammy Bruce from the State
• 1:44:32
  Department literally just and I know she was kind of
• 1:44:35
  being tongue in chic but where she goes, We're the
• 1:44:36
  greatest country in the world, well, second greatest to Israel,
• 1:44:39
  And you're.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: Like, what was she being tongue in cheek. I don't
• 1:44:42
  know exactly, she kind of weird, it was. It's still
• 1:44:45
  that is a weird thing for any representative of your
• 1:44:49
  government to say. If anyone sat there and said just went,
• 1:44:53
  you know, I think America is the greatest country in
• 1:44:54
  the world. Well, Finland, I guess is the greatest, and
• 1:44:57
  we're number two. You'd be like what, and like, Felin's
• 1:44:59
  a cool country. I got nothing against them, but what
• 1:45:01
  are you talking about?
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: And but really I do think the uh, well, it's
• 1:45:06
  it's the relationship. It's how horrible what Israel's doing is,
• 1:45:10
  and it's how clearly it's not in our national interest.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: There's also weird stuff like how about this guy that
• 1:45:17
  got arrested in Las Vegas.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Alexandrovitch or something like that.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: So he gets arrested for propositioning a young boy for sex.
• 1:45:27
  He gets, uh, was it a boy? I believe? So maybe? Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  all right, correct.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, I read a couple of
• 1:45:33
  articles about it.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: I figure out Jamie will do a little deep dive
• 1:45:36
  on this.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Well, they said that he showed up with condoms was
• 1:45:40
  what I read in the article to meet what he
• 1:45:42
  thought was a fifteen year old. I forgot the detail
• 1:45:44
  that it was a boy, not that it changes.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: One of those dudes is like, you never know, carries
• 1:45:49
  a condom with them. Everywhere. Fucking never know. It was
• 1:45:52
  those guys when I was a kid who had like
• 1:45:54
  the condom market. Hey, bro, never fucking know. But don't
• 1:45:59
  you know, if you look at your life on average,
• 1:46:02
  like the odds of you getting later so little, you
• 1:46:06
  have this fucking lucky charm in your pocket.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: About the time you see the column, you're like, I
• 1:46:09
  don't think you should use that one. By the way,
• 1:46:11
  I think you should get.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: A new one. Nothing's broken down by your ass rubbing
• 1:46:14
  up against it for fucking three years. You can't even
• 1:46:20
  read what the fucking trojan label says anymore.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was our That was a different time.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, different time. So here it is a girl, okay.
• 1:46:30
  Israeli government official charge was soliciting a minor believed he
• 1:46:33
  was meeting a fifteen year old girl for sexual contact.
• 1:46:36
  According to police, brought a condom to the planned rendezvous
• 1:46:40
  in Las Vegas. Alejandrovich, division head at the Israel National
• 1:46:47
  Cyber Directorate, was arrested in a police sting operation aimed
• 1:46:52
  at online users seeking sexually prey on children. The Las
• 1:46:55
  Vegas outlet eight news Now reported that Alexandrovitch chatted with
• 1:46:59
  an off us opposing as a teenager online before being arrested.
• 1:47:03
  Sexual contact included bringing a condom and taking the decoy
• 1:47:07
  to circ De Solis, which stages elaborate shows along the
• 1:47:11
  Las Vegas trips. Had police documents seen by eight News
• 1:47:15
  Now details the arrest came. A state department denied the
• 1:47:17
  US government played any role in releasing the Israeli official
• 1:47:23
  after Alexandrovitch was able to return to Israel once he
• 1:47:26
  had bonded out of jail in connection with the felony charge. Wow,
• 1:47:32
  so that's kind of crazy that you.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Just well I heard so I heard some people claiming,
• 1:47:38
  and I'm not sure what's right about this, but there
• 1:47:40
  were people who were arguing that like the website or
• 1:47:43
  the app or whatever that he was on is eighteen
• 1:47:45
  and up, and so they were saying, like, no, he
• 1:47:47
  thought he was meeting an adult or something like that.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Well, this is what I thought too. It's like, how
• 1:47:51
  do I know that this isn't a setup? I'm always
• 1:47:55
  how do I know this isn't Richard Nixon two point zero?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, I'd like to assume that
• 1:48:00
  we got a piece of shit and they arrested him,
• 1:48:02
  and then I'd not like to assume that then all
• 1:48:04
  of a sudden he gets released and he gets to
• 1:48:08
  flee the country and never face consequences. I don't want
• 1:48:10
  that to be true. But I also I don't know
• 1:48:14
  what the fuck happened.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well this is kind of convenient from what I've
• 1:48:18
  read about it. I believe he has a court date
• 1:48:20
  coming up in a few days. Oh and so that's well,
• 1:48:23
  that's going to be a big tell there, right is
• 1:48:26
  you know, It's it's crazy to me, I've been blown
• 1:48:29
  away by this in lots of ways of the last
• 1:48:31
  couple of years. But how bad the Israeli pr game is,
• 1:48:37
  you know, and that like it it's almost like they
• 1:48:38
  were just so accustomed to the old way of doing things.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: We're so accustomed to people being terrified. Yeah, being labeled
• 1:48:44
  anti Semiti.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you someone criticizes you, you label them as a bigot,
• 1:48:48
  and you destroy their lives. And even that works for doesn't.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Work anymore minor jokes.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and there's like, you know, I think it's
• 1:48:56
  a so I've been using this like analogy or comparison lately,
• 1:49:00
  and I think, like, so, if you remember when Joe
• 1:49:02
  Biden had that disastrous debate with Donald Trump and everybody,
• 1:49:07
  Like the debate opens and everybody watching it knows this
• 1:49:11
  is over. Joe Biden is I mean, it was so bad.
• 1:49:13
  But it's not just that it was so bad. I mean,
• 1:49:16
  it's it's the you know, before the debate, you know,
• 1:49:19
  there's Rachel Maddow at a desk where a bunch of
• 1:49:21
  people were now going to the first presidential debate. Joe
• 1:49:23
  Biden's gonna kick his ass. They were already talking about
• 1:49:25
  how it was. Remember the term deep fakes that they
• 1:49:29
  came up with, where it's it's or cheap fakes. I'm sorry,
• 1:49:31
  it's cheap fake. It's not a deep fake, but it's
• 1:49:34
  kind of like a deep fake. See they're showing you
• 1:49:36
  a real video of Joe Biden being senile, but see
• 1:49:39
  that's just as fake as a deep fake because they
• 1:49:41
  didn't include the context or something like that. That was
• 1:49:44
  the talking point that right before we go into the debate.
• 1:49:47
  The debate cuts, it goes back to the same panel
• 1:49:50
  and they go, we got to find a new candidate,
• 1:49:52
  like they they acknowledge that. And part of the reason
• 1:49:55
  why we all knew it was over in that debate
• 1:49:57
  was it wasn't just how bad the debate was. It
• 1:50:00
  was that now you have to admit this. You know,
• 1:50:04
  you were pretending this thing didn't exist. Now you got
• 1:50:06
  to admit it exists. And once you admit it exists,
• 1:50:09
  there's now a microscope on Joe Biden like there never
• 1:50:12
  was before. So tomorrow, when he's doing an interview and
• 1:50:15
  he mixes up a name that may not have been
• 1:50:17
  such a big deal two days ago, but after that
• 1:50:20
  debate performance, when he mixes up another name, now you're like, look,
• 1:50:23
  there it is again. He's senile. Everything became amplified after
• 1:50:27
  that point, And I think, don't you think they set
• 1:50:30
  him up? Yes, yes, but sure that's his whole separate issue.
• 1:50:34
  But yes, I do think they set him up. But
• 1:50:37
  I think a similar thing has happened with Israel, where
• 1:50:40
  now everyone's looking at it, and everyone's watching, and everyone's going, wait,
• 1:50:45
  what the hell is going on here? What is this?
• 1:50:48
  So that wait, a pedophile can just go fleet it Israel?
• 1:50:51
  How many other pedophiles have gone and fled to Israel?
• 1:50:53
  And now it's like, oh my god, they've opened Pandora's
• 1:50:56
  box and there's just I think, no way to put
• 1:50:59
  this back in because it's too weird. It's too weird
• 1:51:02
  to not notice. And that doesn't mean you have to
• 1:51:04
  like jump to the conclusion of like, you know, you
• 1:51:06
  have to hate Jewish people or something like that. I'm
• 1:51:08
  not advocating anything like that, but you do kind of
• 1:51:11
  have to question the relationship between DC and Tel Aviv
• 1:51:14
  and like what is going on here because this is
• 1:51:17
  so utterly bizarre. You know, it's so crazy to see,
• 1:51:20
  like the American people are against what Israel is doing
• 1:51:24
  to Gaza. It obviously hurts Americas, it hurts our as
• 1:51:29
  the they use in the preamble to the Constitution, I
• 1:51:31
  like that phrase domestic tranquility, right, this is destroying our
• 1:51:36
  domestic tranquility. We got protests, we got people fighting over
• 1:51:39
  this stuff. We're pissing off the Muslim world again, which
• 1:51:42
  we've already had to deal with them hating our guts
• 1:51:44
  now reporting you know, we're deporting legal residents because they
• 1:51:48
  had the wrong opinion. This is all, and like it's
• 1:51:50
  impossible to not look at this and go like, hey,
• 1:51:52
  what's going on here? And they don't have any answer
• 1:51:55
  for that. And you know the other thing too, is
• 1:51:58
  that it's just I don't know if you've notice this,
• 1:52:00
  But there's like there's a lot of people now trying
• 1:52:03
  to jump off of the sinking ship. You know, a
• 1:52:05
  lot of people who are even like supporters of Israel
• 1:52:07
  who are kind of going like I think they are
• 1:52:09
  going a little too far on this one, and they're
• 1:52:11
  trying because it's just you see, you can see the
• 1:52:15
  writing on the wall all over the place, man, like
• 1:52:18
  you're gonna be You're gonna be looked at. This is
• 1:52:20
  gonna be the period. And it's not even like supporting
• 1:52:22
  the war in Iraq. It's like much worse than that, dude,
• 1:52:24
  Like you're just supporting this destruction of these They just
• 1:52:28
  launched another offensive on Gaza City the other day. They're
• 1:52:30
  bombing rubble like it's just it's it's biblical levels of evil.
• 1:52:36
  And you know we're sitting here like even as we're
• 1:52:38
  having this conversation now, I don't like I know like
• 1:52:42
  a few I remember like coming on the podcast, like
• 1:52:45
  you know, a couple of years ago, and like when
• 1:52:47
  this conflict first started and then when it would go
• 1:52:50
  and it was almost like I was coming on like
• 1:52:52
  like to be like, look, let me present the argument
• 1:52:54
  for why we shouldn't support what Israel is doing here,
• 1:52:56
  and let me like try to like present the other
• 1:52:59
  side of the debate. I feel now like the debate's over.
• 1:53:03
  I don't even think there's like much of a debate
• 1:53:05
  to be had. I'll keep doing them if somebody wants
• 1:53:07
  to come debate about the issue. But what are we
• 1:53:09
  talking about here, dude. South Africa brought a genocide case
• 1:53:15
  to the International Court of Justice, and the International Court
• 1:53:18
  of Justice ruled that what Israel was doing to Gaza
• 1:53:21
  was plausibly a genocide twenty one months ago. Twenty one
• 1:53:27
  months ago, they said this was plausibly a genocide, and
• 1:53:30
  the thing's gone on the entire time since then. There
• 1:53:33
  was a huge Haretz piece a couple months ago about,
• 1:53:37
  you know, because we've seen so many examples of this,
• 1:53:39
  but they had IDF soldiers off the wreck, and at
• 1:53:42
  least one on the record saying that they were given
• 1:53:45
  orders to fire live rounds into the crowds of desperate
• 1:53:49
  people trying to get food, who have literally been used
• 1:53:52
  to having starvation throughout Gaza. I don't know if you
• 1:53:55
  saw this, dude, I mean I couldn't. I actually like
• 1:53:57
  found this hilarious, but I'm a comedian who has a
• 1:53:59
  real twist, dark sense of humor. But the Free Press
• 1:54:03
  Barry Weiss's publication like ran a piece like debunking the
• 1:54:10
  starvation in Gaza, and one of the examples that I'm
• 1:54:15
  not making this up, like you go look at this,
• 1:54:16
  I'm not. I mean, I'm very close to exactly accurate
• 1:54:19
  on this. One of the examples they picked was it
• 1:54:21
  like a kid who was starving to death, and their
• 1:54:24
  attempt at debunking it was that actually, this kid had
• 1:54:28
  another major issue when an Israeli bomb cracked his skull.
• 1:54:35
  So that's your defense that like, yes, he starved to death,
• 1:54:38
  but it was also you know, with these other complications.
• 1:54:41
  This was the big one where the New York Times
• 1:54:42
  had that big picture of the starving baby and then
• 1:54:45
  they made a big thing out of being like nobody
• 1:54:47
  had other medical you know problems too. And then the
• 1:54:49
  mother had said, well, they said he's The mother said
• 1:54:53
  that the doctors told her that the reason they had
• 1:54:55
  other medical problems is because she was malnourished during pregnancy.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: It's like okay, so that so yes, you're you are right.
• 1:55:02
  Israel defenders the kids starving to death are the ones
• 1:55:05
  who have other complications. That's always who dies first in famines.
• 1:55:10
  I don't know what like victory you think this is.
• 1:55:13
  So since this point, since the International Court of Justice
• 1:55:16
  ruled it was plausibly a genocide, the twenty one months
• 1:55:19
  up to today, since then, I know, at least to
• 1:55:23
  Ahud Omart and Ahud Barak, both former Prime ministers of Israel,
• 1:55:27
  have come out and said net Yahu's committing war crimes.
• 1:55:29
  In gods and now they didn't call it a genocide,
• 1:55:31
  but they called it war crimes. So that's where your
• 1:55:34
  debate is at this point, Where are we between genocide
• 1:55:38
  and war crimes? What area in there does this occupy?
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  But how the fuck do you defend any of that?
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, I don't know if this is true, so I
• 1:55:47
  want to look it up before we commit to this.
• 1:55:49
  But someone sent me some thing saying that Grock was
• 1:55:54
  pulled from Twitter, from x whatever because Groc had said
• 1:56:00
  that Israel was committing a genocide. So someone asked Groc
• 1:56:06
  whether Israel was committing a genocide allegedly, And I want
• 1:56:10
  to find out if this is true because I saw
• 1:56:11
  this article when I was running out of the house.
• 1:56:13
  I was like, what the fuck? But then it was reinstated,
• 1:56:18
  so I don't know if those posts were deleted. I
• 1:56:21
  don't know if this is real, but I'm not shocked.
• 1:56:26
  I'm not shocked. I read it, and I'm like, I
• 1:56:29
  could see how that could happen. I could see, first
• 1:56:32
  of all, how it could interpret it as a genocide
• 1:56:34
  when they're not alone. I mean, if GROC is just
• 1:56:37
  a large language model that's pulling from the Internet, what's
• 1:56:40
  the general consensus worldwide?
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: Not only more on that side, yeah, more on that side.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: And then if you look at the sheer numbers of
• 1:56:48
  people that have died, which we don't even really have
• 1:56:52
  an accurate account of, what is the number? What's the
• 1:56:55
  number of casualties? Now, well, there was just a sir
• 1:57:00
  here it is. It's still a really good particle I
• 1:57:03
  could find on brock account briefly suspended on x Okay,
• 1:57:07
  what does it say here? The reason for Groc's brief
• 1:57:11
  suspension on x was August eleventh, twenty twenty five, remains unclear,
• 1:57:15
  as no official statement from x or Xai has been provided.
• 1:57:18
  The bot said when asked why it's account was removed. However,
• 1:57:21
  groc itself claimed in now deleted posts that the suspicion
• 1:57:25
  was due to comments it made accusing Israel in the
• 1:57:28
  US of committing genocide and Gaza citing sources like ICJ,
• 1:57:33
  International Council of Justice rulings, UN reports, Amnesty International and
• 1:57:38
  I don't know how to say that word bet Sealem
• 1:57:40
  bets Sellem. These posts were flagged for violating X hateful
• 1:57:44
  conduct rules. The statement added the press team for.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: Stating so funny, this.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: Is so crazy. The press team for X did not
• 1:57:53
  immediately respond to the Hills request for comments. Users have
• 1:57:55
  criticized GROC for providing anti semitic responses to questions in
• 1:57:59
  recent months. What anti semitic response is, however, X's owner
• 1:58:03
  Elon Musk saying X's owner Elon Musk said in a
• 1:58:08
  Monday post the bot's account removal was just a dumb error.
• 1:58:11
  Groc doesn't actually know why it was suspended, is Heve Grock.
• 1:58:16
  He's like me, don't know me, don't know why we
• 1:58:19
  actually suspended. Upon its reinstatement, the GROC account wrote's up Beaches,
• 1:58:24
  I'm back and more base than ever. Okay, did anybody
• 1:58:27
  ask it again? Why don't you ask it right now?
• 1:58:32
  Let's go to groc and ask groc.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Right, now, it's going to give a more politically correct answer.
• 1:58:36
  At this point, I bet.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: Says yeah, I'm not sure is Israel committing genocide in Gaza?
• 1:58:49
  What do you think it's gonna say?
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: I I'm guessing politically correct answer. Some argue yes, some
• 1:58:54
  say no.
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 1: Let's see, this must be like constantly being questioned. Now,
• 1:59:07
  I mean it must be. I'm sure, yes, it must
• 1:59:09
  have a bunch of different Oh, it's given us a
• 1:59:11
  slow trickle expert mode. So it's thinking, oh, searching the web. Okay,
• 1:59:18
  it's going to amity anst Amnesty International December twenty twenty
• 1:59:21
  fourth report concludes Israel's committing genocide citing killings and harmful conditions.
• 1:59:27
  So now it's saying it's citing the sources many human
• 1:59:30
  rights organizations and UN reports suggest genocide, citing deaths and destruction.
• 1:59:36
  This is just thinking, right, I get it. So now
• 1:59:39
  then it will eventually evaluate answer me. While if you
• 1:59:43
  ask it an impossible trigonometry problem, give me the answer instantaneously. Okay,
• 1:59:48
  here it goes. Term genocide is defined nineteen forty eight
• 1:59:51
  UN Convention the Prevention and Punishment of the crimes of
• 1:59:53
  genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole
• 1:59:57
  or part a national, ethic, ethnical, racial, or religious group.
• 2:00:03
  These acts include killing members of the group. Okay, good.
• 2:00:06
  The ongoing conflict in Gaza stems from I get it,
• 2:00:09
  I know what that is. Okay. Allegations of genocide prohibited
• 2:00:16
  acts in tents. So it's giving you a very nuanced response.
• 2:00:22
  International Court of Justice, in response to South Africa's case
• 2:00:25
  filed in December twenty twenty third, ruled in January twenty
• 2:00:28
  to a blah blah blah blah bah twenty twenty four
• 2:00:31
  that genocide claims are plausible and issued provisional measures ordering
• 2:00:35
  Israel to prevent genocidal acts. And this is quite a
• 2:00:38
  while ago. In twenty twenty three, okay, scroll down notable deniers.
• 2:00:45
  Israel's government calls accusations baseless and outrageous, emphasizing compliance with
• 2:00:50
  international law and investigations into misconduct. The US has described
• 2:00:55
  claims as unfounded. Analysis like the BEA Center report July
• 2:01:02
  twenty twenty five and ACJ twenty twenty five July argue
• 2:01:06
  no evidence of starvation, maskers or disproportionate strikes and criticized
• 2:01:10
  data manipulation by HAMAS contextual challenges urban warfare against embodied
• 2:01:17
  insurgency complicates operations. Accusations ignore hamas's role in aid diversion
• 2:01:23
  and civilian endangerment. Some scholars note that while harm is severe,
• 2:01:28
  competing motives like counter terrorism preclude genocide findings. The issue
• 2:01:33
  remains highly contested and politically charged. While human rights bodies
• 2:01:37
  in ICJ have found plausibility and genocide claims warranting preventive measures,
• 2:01:43
  no international court has issued a final guilty verdict and
• 2:01:47
  determinations hinge on ongoing investigations. Yeah, I don't know, man,
• 2:01:54
  it sounds like a different answer. I mean enough, that's
• 2:01:59
  very new. It allows you to form your own opinion
• 2:02:02
  based on what many people say, including what Israel says.
• 2:02:06
  So it's not going to give you an answer. It's
• 2:02:08
  essentially saying figure it out.
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: Which I you know, like I don't have a problem
• 2:02:13
  with that.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that at all. I
• 2:02:14
  mean that's what I would like it to do. Yeah,
• 2:02:15
  especially if there's debate.
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: Well, also, I mean I think one of the you know,
• 2:02:19
  the real problems, and this is why I kind of
• 2:02:21
  like avoided using the term genocide too much, at least
• 2:02:24
  in the beginning, is that it's there's no good definition
• 2:02:29
  for genocide, you know, Like that definition they gave you
• 2:02:31
  at the beginning is the official, codified under international law definition.
• 2:02:35
  It's attempting to destroy a group in whole or in part. Right, Well,
• 2:02:39
  like what the hell does that mean?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: And that's why they could say, you know, Hamas committed
• 2:02:43
  a genocide on October seventh. You know, it's like, I
• 2:02:46
  don't know, they destroyed a group in part they hate.
• 2:02:48
  And the whole South African case that they brought to
• 2:02:51
  the ICJ was basically the entire case was just the
• 2:02:56
  Israelis in their own words, like their argument was that,
• 2:02:58
  like there's a genocidal in ten here, like when Benjamin
• 2:03:01
  Netanya who's talking to a group of military and calls
• 2:03:03
  them amelek. Well, like what you know the story of
• 2:03:06
  from the Bible is that the moral of the story
• 2:03:08
  was you have to kill all the women and children,
• 2:03:10
  Like that's what the story was about. I think you
• 2:03:12
  even had to kill the ox or something like that.
• 2:03:14
  I'm not an expert in the Bible, but it was
• 2:03:15
  like that was the point. It was like an ancient
• 2:03:18
  tribe that was beefing with the Israelites, and they were like, yo,
• 2:03:21
  you the moral was you have to kill all the
• 2:03:23
  women and children too. And that's a crazy thing to
• 2:03:25
  say at the beginning of a war. But the thing
• 2:03:29
  is that whether you consider what Israel is doing a
• 2:03:31
  genocide or you just take the moderate position of former
• 2:03:34
  Israeli prime ministers who say it's war crimes, I think
• 2:03:37
  the bigger point is just like it is so horrifically evil,
• 2:03:43
  then no one should support this. It's just it's crazy.
• 2:03:46
  Is it is so insane to support Israel doing this
• 2:03:50
  to what are in effect their own people. They may
• 2:03:55
  not consider them their own people, but I don't care
• 2:03:58
  what they consider. I care what they have power over,
• 2:04:01
  you know, like the you know, Hitler maybe didn't consider
• 2:04:05
  the Jews his own people, but doesn't matter, dude, Once
• 2:04:07
  you have control of that country, those people are your people,
• 2:04:12
  like you have an obligation to them. Israel has had
• 2:04:14
  control of Gaza since nineteen sixty seven. They've been the
• 2:04:18
  sovereign and all the way through. You know, people could
• 2:04:22
  talk about the disengagement in two thousand and five, but
• 2:04:24
  that doesn't mean anything. They still controlled the whole strip.
• 2:04:27
  They just didn't have their soldiers inside, they had them
• 2:04:29
  around the perimeter. It doesn't matter, you're still controlling those people.
• 2:04:32
  And so like, if you have resistance, even violent resistance
• 2:04:37
  to a sixty year long occupation, that you don't get
• 2:04:42
  to just say like all right, we'll just turn off
• 2:04:44
  electricity to the whole place, We'll just cut off water
• 2:04:47
  to the whole place, we'll let no food in. For
• 2:04:49
  three straight months, not one grain of wheat got into Gaza,
• 2:04:53
  and that, by the way, is a direct quote from
• 2:04:55
  their finance minister Smotrich. And not one grain of wheat
• 2:04:58
  will get in months later. You go, oh no, but
• 2:05:01
  the people starving, they had pre existing conditions.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, come.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: On, man, okay, what are you doing here? And and
• 2:05:08
  particularly when it's like it's just very obvious that this
• 2:05:13
  doesn't doesn't serve O our country's interest in any way
• 2:05:16
  at all. You know, Benja, I was listening to Neta,
• 2:05:18
  Who's an interview he did the other day. He was
• 2:05:20
  on on with our friend, uh Constantine Cassen on a
• 2:05:24
  trigonometry and what was he saying at what he goes,
• 2:05:27
  we're fighting Hamas, So you don't have to or something
• 2:05:30
  like does there anybody what anybody believed that Hamas was
• 2:05:34
  about to mount an attack on the United States of America,
• 2:05:37
  They were going to take over if it wasn't for
• 2:05:40
  Israel sticking up for us and just destroying the entire strip.
• 2:05:44
  And it's ridiculous. It's like you'll still to this day,
• 2:05:47
  I'll be in like a debate or like a panel
• 2:05:50
  or something like that, and someone will still start with
• 2:05:53
  the question like do you think Israel has the right
• 2:05:55
  to exist? And isn't it amazing that over the last
• 2:05:58
  two years that's been the question that's asked so much,
• 2:06:02
  when very clearly a more relevant question would have been
• 2:06:06
  does Gaza have a right to exist? Because it doesn't now,
• 2:06:11
  you know, like that was the only existence that was
• 2:06:14
  ever up for debate. But they flip the thing around
• 2:06:16
  and go, well, you don't think Israel has a right
• 2:06:18
  to exist? Like, first of all, I don't think governments
• 2:06:21
  have rights at all. I think that's a totally incoherent worldview.
• 2:06:24
  And the only coherent worldview is that individuals have rights.
• 2:06:27
  There aren't like these massive rights. You know, it's like
• 2:06:30
  Romney saying corporations are people or something like that, but
• 2:06:33
  I think all people have the right to exist. I
• 2:06:35
  think Israel does not have a right to do what
• 2:06:37
  it's doing to Gaza. And you know, the.
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 1: You know, and the real question is how does this end? Now?
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: It seems to be with ethnically cleansing the entire strip
• 2:06:48
  seems the most likely bet.
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: Right now, what do they do with Gaza? Like how
• 2:06:53
  long is it going to take before that even looks
• 2:06:54
  normal again?
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I don't look at.
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 1: The massive destruction, just the sheer scope of it.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like eighty percent of the structures have been leveled.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 1: So crazy. If anybody flying over that with a drone
• 2:07:06
  and they tell you that's the only way they could
• 2:07:08
  have done this, that seems nuts. Yeah, and the fact
• 2:07:12
  they keep doing it, it's like, how does this end?
• 2:07:16
  You know? Like what happens if if the you know,
• 2:07:21
  Israel's publicly said and Netto talked about it on the podcast,
• 2:07:24
  that they're losing the PR or what do you call
• 2:07:28
  did you say PR propaganda? Yeah, something like the pr
• 2:07:31
  PR campaign. But what does that mean? It means the
• 2:07:35
  people see what's going on and they don't support it,
• 2:07:38
  and you think they're wrong. Okay, Well, how how much
• 2:07:43
  further can you go with this before everybody disagrees?
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And well also part of the reason why, you know,
• 2:07:48
  people it's like cause I don't know, people have just
• 2:07:51
  you don't have the controlled propaganda apparatus anymore, and so
• 2:07:55
  the thing is now for the people, Like obviously there
• 2:07:57
  are still a lot of people who just don't really
• 2:07:59
  pay attention, you know that deeply. But for somebody who's listening,
• 2:08:03
  let's say, to Netanyahu's interview with Constantin, I'd have to say,
• 2:08:09
  like a large portion of them at this point, you're
• 2:08:12
  listening to podcasts about politics, right, like you're you're not
• 2:08:16
  completely removed from this world. There have been so many
• 2:08:19
  Israel Palestine debates over the last two years. It's almost
• 2:08:23
  everyone who's watching this has at least seen what some
• 2:08:27
  competent person on the other side of this issue has
• 2:08:29
  had to say. Yeah, and so like one of the time,
• 2:08:31
  you know, they brought up at one point and they
• 2:08:33
  really did, you know, I thought Constantin did a reasonably
• 2:08:36
  good job in the interview. The two I forget his uh,
• 2:08:38
  what's his his partner, Francis, the two of them, I
• 2:08:41
  thought they did all right. I thought they were a little.
• 2:08:43
  You know, there were times they could have asked them
• 2:08:45
  follow up questions. Particularly the one that I thought they
• 2:08:47
  let him off the hook with was when they asked
• 2:08:48
  him about his support for Hamas, and they just totally
• 2:08:52
  let him go, like, oh, well, you know, we needed
• 2:08:54
  to make sure that people weren't suffering too bad and
• 2:08:56
  let some aid in. And it's like, nah, dude, that's
• 2:08:58
  not And the thing is that so many people listening
• 2:09:01
  to this have already heard this explained, you know what
• 2:09:05
  I mean. Where it's like, remember like a couple of
• 2:09:08
  years ago where I was when I was talking with you.
• 2:09:10
  I was saying, hey, you know, Coleman Hughes got this
• 2:09:12
  all wrong when he was on your podcast, and Coleman
• 2:09:14
  Hughes had basically said, there's one quote that's attributed to
• 2:09:17
  Netan Yahoo, but like it wasn't on video or anything
• 2:09:19
  like that. And I was like, no, no, no, dude,
• 2:09:21
  this case is much bigger than one quote that was
• 2:09:23
  attributed to him. By the way, since then a video
• 2:09:27
  came out of him saying it on video, there's actually
• 2:09:30
  a video now of that quote. It's not just the
• 2:09:31
  reports of it.
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 1: Quote.
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: Well, the quote that was they had the video of
• 2:09:35
  was that we can control the height of the flame.
• 2:09:38
  So he's basically saying, like, we can commit The quote
• 2:09:41
  that originally he said, which was in a closed door
• 2:09:45
  Kannesse meeting with Lakud party members where there were like
• 2:09:47
  three people who are eyewitnesses who came and told him
• 2:09:50
  it was originally reported in the Jerusalem Post, was that
• 2:09:53
  he was like, look, anybody who wants to thwart the
• 2:09:57
  existence of a Palestinian state has to port our plan
• 2:10:01
  of propping up Hamas and transferring money to them, because
• 2:10:04
  this is what gives us a no one to negotiate
• 2:10:08
  with certificate. And then he said, we can control the
• 2:10:11
  height of the flame, meaning like, I know what you're thinking,
• 2:10:14
  I'm funding these terrorists right on our southern border, but like,
• 2:10:16
  don't worry about it. We can control the height of
• 2:10:20
  the flame. And then he found out he couldn't on
• 2:10:21
  October seventh, but so they let him off the hook
• 2:10:25
  with that. And people have just kind of heard this
• 2:10:27
  laid out. I mean, it's not like I just say
• 2:10:29
  this on podcasts. There's been major pieces written in the
• 2:10:31
  New York Times, in the Times of Israel, the Harets
• 2:10:37
  in the Jerusalem Post, and the Washington Post like this
• 2:10:40
  is all over the place, and he just goes, no, no,
• 2:10:42
  it was now we were just like trying to get
• 2:10:44
  some funding in there for the people. Like at this point,
• 2:10:46
  anyone believes that Benjamin Netanya, who was motivated by helping
• 2:10:51
  the poor people of Gaza rather than by thwarting a
• 2:10:54
  Palestinian state, What.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: Was his response, because I do know that they asked
• 2:10:58
  him about the failure of intelligence on October seventh. What
• 2:11:03
  was his response to the failure of just how long
• 2:11:06
  it took them to react to it?
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember that. I don't remember exactly what he said,
• 2:11:12
  but I remember thinking there was not much of substance
• 2:11:15
  to it. He kind of just danced around it, you know.
• 2:11:19
  And and they also didn't get into specifically, like you know,
• 2:11:22
  at first, they started asking him questions about like what
• 2:11:24
  was it like for you on that day, But they
• 2:11:27
  didn't get into questions about like why was the response
• 2:11:30
  time so long? How was this possibly able to happen?
• 2:11:33
  Like no, not really, I mean, they didn't push him
• 2:11:36
  on that. And then he you know said, which I mean,
• 2:11:38
  just think about how unimpressive this is is that he
• 2:11:40
  basically just went, oh, there should be a full investigation.
• 2:11:44
  You know, there should be a full investigation onto that
• 2:11:46
  from the top all the way down to the bottom.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: Nice thing.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: And you're like, okay, hey, this would be awesome. Could
• 2:11:53
  we get the Prime Minister of Israel on the line,
• 2:11:54
  because like maybe he could do something about this. They're like, oh, no,
• 2:11:57
  that's you so, like, why it's almost two years? What
• 2:12:00
  are you talking about, dude? Have the investigation? What you
• 2:12:03
  can't conduct an investigation while you're destroying the gaza strip?
• 2:12:07
  Does it have to wait till after that you got
• 2:12:09
  time to do a podcast?
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: Did they ask him about the protests?
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, but you know I don't.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: Because there were protests before October seven.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, there's also been protests this week. By the way,
• 2:12:21
  massive protests in Tel Aviv, I think from I read
• 2:12:24
  a few articles about it in that the estimate seemed
• 2:12:26
  to be five hundred thousand people were out in the
• 2:12:29
  streets protest in the war and thank god for that man,
• 2:12:32
  and thank God for just like and oh, by the way,
• 2:12:35
  the protests were led or I don't know, like let
• 2:12:39
  but the featured acts at the protest were the families
• 2:12:44
  of hostages and surviving hostages. They're the ones leading the
• 2:12:48
  charge being like stop doing this, you know, because like
• 2:12:51
  if you think about it, I mean, could you imagine,
• 2:12:53
  you know, if you try to put yourself in the
• 2:12:55
  place of like having someone you really love is a hostage,
• 2:12:59
  like Hamas has taken them hostage and they're trapped in
• 2:13:01
  one of these tunnels, and then you hear the plan
• 2:13:03
  is to cut off all food to the area, and
• 2:13:06
  you're like, yo, like what how is that gonna help
• 2:13:10
  your loved one who's a hostage there? Like how is
• 2:13:12
  it just just bombing the place? Like what if you
• 2:13:15
  hit them?
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: Like what?
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean Like this it's like obviously,
• 2:13:18
  if your main goal was hostage retrieval, this is not
• 2:13:21
  at all the way you would go about doing that.
• 2:13:24
  And you know, it's like this was a point, by
• 2:13:27
  the way, that that Darryl Cooper was making on Tucker
• 2:13:31
  Carlson's podcast, which got him a whole lot in a
• 2:13:34
  whole lot of trouble and got him a whole lot
• 2:13:35
  of pushback on But I think the essence of his
• 2:13:38
  point was about starvation blockades and then like saying, like,
• 2:13:42
  you know, you put a starvation blockade on Nazi Germany,
• 2:13:46
  or something like that. You go, okay, because the nots
• 2:13:47
  are your enemies and they're real bad guys, so you
• 2:13:49
  want to do that. But like, do you think Adolf
• 2:13:51
  Hitler's not eating? Do you think any of his soldiers
• 2:13:54
  aren't eating? And that's gonna be first priority, right, Nazi
• 2:13:57
  party members and the Nazi military are gonna give who
• 2:14:00
  is maybe not going to get food, probably the most
• 2:14:04
  disenfranchised people in that society, right.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: I mean you're already in a concentration. Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well and then well some of them were, I
• 2:14:12
  guess at that point, and some of them weren't.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: But there isn't an amazing that that's controversial to say
• 2:14:17
  that it's this is not a nuanced discussion. Yeah, that
• 2:14:20
  that's not a factor.
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And look they were using which was
• 2:14:24
  a you know, a horrible picture, but they had the
• 2:14:27
  image of one of those there was like some pictures
• 2:14:30
  that had come out at one of the remaining hostages
• 2:14:32
  there who did look like, you know, in bad shape,
• 2:14:35
  look like close to starvation, you know. And then the
• 2:14:39
  Israel supporters were using this is like they're probably getting like,
• 2:14:42
  look how horrible Hamasa is. Look what they're doing to them,
• 2:14:44
  and you're like, yeah, but this did come after three
• 2:14:46
  months of zero food being allowed into Gaza, and so like,
• 2:14:51
  I don't know. To me, it seems like it probably
• 2:14:53
  doesn't take a genius to go like, you know, Hamas
• 2:14:57
  is gonna be fed, like they're not going to suffer
• 2:15:01
  from these hungers. And in fact, a lot of the
• 2:15:03
  pro israel people were to in the Israeli government themselves.
• 2:15:06
  They were making claims, a lot of them are unsubstantiated,
• 2:15:09
  but making claims that like Hamas is stealing all of
• 2:15:11
  the food we let aid in previously, but Hamas stole
• 2:15:14
  it all and then they mark it up and charge
• 2:15:16
  more money for it to the people of Gaza. And
• 2:15:18
  you're like, okay, but then what does a food blockade do?
• 2:15:23
  I mean, you already say it's not taking food away
• 2:15:25
  from Hamas, right, So who's the war against? It's the
• 2:15:29
  civilian population. And of course you'd imagine, like just like
• 2:15:34
  under Nazi Germany, you'd imagine Jews and Gypsies and other
• 2:15:37
  they're going to get the worst treatment in a totally
• 2:15:41
  centralized war economy that the state is going to decide
• 2:15:44
  who eats and who doesn't eat. Who do you think
• 2:15:47
  they're gonna pick you know, it's it's like this stuff
• 2:15:52
  just leads to like unbelievable amounts of human suffering.
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 1: And it's again, how does this send.
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, they're I guess there's some
• 2:16:00
  competing plans. Like Donald Trump said kind of flippantly a
• 2:16:04
  few months back that America was going to take over
• 2:16:07
  the Gaza Strip and turned into a big, beautiful property.
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: He sounded like he was talking shit.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, that that was what I thought too.
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 1: He said it right beside net and Yahoo. And it's
• 2:16:16
  just seemed bizarre that he was doing that.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: Very strange. But then Netan Yah, who said much more recently,
• 2:16:22
  just the other was a week or two ago, said
• 2:16:24
  that Israel is going to take over the Gaza Strip,
• 2:16:28
  which that sounds much more likely to me. You know,
• 2:16:31
  I think so, I think this is the weird dynamic
• 2:16:34
  kind of here is that. I think it's not. They're
• 2:16:38
  not like so stupid that I'm aware of something that
• 2:16:43
  like these guys aren't aware of, right, Like, they know
• 2:16:45
  that they've lost control of the media. They look, they
• 2:16:47
  know they've lost control of the narrative, and they know
• 2:16:50
  that they've lost control of the youth in America, and
• 2:16:53
  at some point, you know, those seventy year olds watching
• 2:16:56
  cable news are going to age out and die, and
• 2:17:00
  the people in charge are going to be this generation
• 2:17:02
  that has a totally different view of Israel than previous generations.
• 2:17:05
  They know that, but then the question becomes, like what
• 2:17:09
  do you do with that information? And so I think
• 2:17:13
  that there is a part of Netanyahoo and the Israeli
• 2:17:16
  War Cabinet in the Israeli government who are looking at
• 2:17:19
  this and going, all right, so we got we got
• 2:17:23
  like ten more years of this relationship. You know, we
• 2:17:25
  got like ten more years of where the US has
• 2:17:27
  our back and we can do whatever we want. And
• 2:17:30
  so you could see where the conclusion from that might be.
• 2:17:33
  We got to go for it now, Like if you
• 2:17:35
  really do have this greater Israel project, well, right now,
• 2:17:39
  under the Trump administration, this is your moment. He is
• 2:17:42
  already vowed he's going to do whatever to support Israel.
• 2:17:45
  He is totally on your side. You have this administration.
• 2:17:48
  There's every last member of this administration supports Israel. So
• 2:17:52
  now's the time annex Gaza and the West Bank and
• 2:17:56
  you know, parts of Saria two and whatever else they
• 2:17:59
  want to do. I think they might be going for it,
• 2:18:01
  you know, and then I don't know, we'll see.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, when they started bombing Iran, that's what I thought.
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh boy, well they tried. They tried
• 2:18:10
  to suck Trump into a regime change war there, you know,
• 2:18:12
  and it didn't it didn't work. But the whole thing,
• 2:18:16
  you know, the whole the whole twelve day war. First
• 2:18:18
  of all, this thing is not over. We're kind of it,
• 2:18:22
  like the fundamentals of the conflict are all still there.
• 2:18:27
  And in fact, I think there was just a few
• 2:18:29
  days ago, like there are a couple like Israeli spokesmen
• 2:18:31
  who were already signaling like we may have to go,
• 2:18:35
  you know, see about this again. Netanyahu himself said when
• 2:18:38
  him and Trump met in the White House, and was
• 2:18:40
  a really fascinating moment which you know, I'm not trying
• 2:18:43
  to make too much of, but it was pretty hilarious
• 2:18:45
  in a way, like a little microcosm where they asked
• 2:18:47
  Donald Trump at one point, they go, so is that
• 2:18:49
  it with Iran? Like are we is the war continuing?
• 2:18:51
  Or is it over? And he goes, well, you know,
• 2:18:53
  I really I don't really want to see it continue,
• 2:18:56
  but maybe that's a better question for Beebe. You're once
• 2:18:59
  to the one. Wait what he's Oh, I'm sorry, You're like, well,
• 2:19:02
  my boss is right here, so you might as well
• 2:19:04
  ask keV, which is not exactly true. You know, I'm
• 2:19:07
  not saying that I know Jeffrey Sachs, who I love,
• 2:19:10
  who is a real expert, not like me or Douglas Murray,
• 2:19:13
  but a real expert who's you know. I don't agree
• 2:19:16
  with him on everything, but his foreign policy is very good.
• 2:19:18
  But he said, and I think he was saying it
• 2:19:20
  kind of tongue in cheek, but he said, I regard Netanyah,
• 2:19:23
  who is the worst US president of my lifetime, which
• 2:19:25
  is a funny, very funny line. And I get what
• 2:19:28
  he's saying.
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 1: How long has he been running Israel?
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 2: Well, he came, he was prime minister first in nineteen
• 2:19:35
  ninety six, and then he's had a few stints where
• 2:19:37
  he was out, but he's been in and out, so they.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: Have a whole completely different setup.
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 2: Obviously, Yeah you can keep coming back. Yeah, And so
• 2:19:45
  he was. But he's the longest serving prime minister in
• 2:19:48
  Israeli history at this point. And but I will say
• 2:19:52
  that there are people you know, I know people go
• 2:19:54
  down you know, rabbit holes on Twitter and stuff like that,
• 2:19:57
  and I don't. I do think Jeffrey Sacks is I
• 2:20:00
  think he was being somewhat tongue in cheek when he
• 2:20:02
  said it, But I do think he's overstating his hand.
• 2:20:04
  It's not that Israel runs America. If Netan Yahoo ran America,
• 2:20:09
  I can promise you we would have had a regime
• 2:20:11
  change warrant in Iran. We would not have stopped where
• 2:20:14
  Donald Trump stopped if nett Yahoo was actually in control
• 2:20:17
  of the US military instead of just having significant influence
• 2:20:21
  over it. So like I do think there's I mean,
• 2:20:23
  I've just read enough about net Nyaho, the Lakudniks, the neocons.
• 2:20:27
  This is the regime change war that they've wanted. This
• 2:20:29
  is their seventh, this is seven out of seven to
• 2:20:31
  get around. So this is what they want. And if
• 2:20:34
  you actually even look at the war itself, it was
• 2:20:37
  like they when Trump. It was before and after Trump
• 2:20:42
  dropped the bunker busters on their nuclear sites, Israel just
• 2:20:45
  started bombing regime targets. If any weren't just bombing their
• 2:20:48
  nuclear sites, they were trying to overthrow the regime. And
• 2:20:51
  in fact, they like made calls to these Iranian generals
• 2:20:55
  and threatened their families, basically said we're gonna kill your
• 2:20:57
  families unless you guys flee right now. It just didn't work.
• 2:21:01
  They weren't going to do that. And then once that
• 2:21:03
  didn't work, they were kind of like eh, and then
• 2:21:06
  Iran gave Trump an out. You know, they responded with
• 2:21:11
  this nonsense, you know, the same thing they did after
• 2:21:15
  they after Trump killed Solomoni, where they fire these rockets,
• 2:21:18
  they give us advanced warning, they make sure we move
• 2:21:21
  everyone out of the way. So good because they know
• 2:21:23
  they know they don't want to kill an American there
• 2:21:25
  because then it's full scale war. But like if they hadn't,
• 2:21:31
  you know, it's so funny because like we put all
• 2:21:33
  of this in the mula's hands, and if they had
• 2:21:35
  just decided, which every military analyst concludes they can touch
• 2:21:39
  Americans in the region, they didn't. Had they, this would
• 2:21:42
  have been the next And I think that was the goal.
• 2:21:44
  I think that was Netanyahu's goal of it was to
• 2:21:46
  provoke that response that would have led to a regime
• 2:21:49
  change war. And it didn't work. And Trump, you know,
• 2:21:52
  to his credit, his instinct is to de escalate these
• 2:21:56
  things when he can. But also to Trump's you know,
• 2:22:00
  fault never should have gotten in the thing to begin with.
• 2:22:03
  It was all the whole Iranian nuclear threat is as
• 2:22:06
  much bullshit as the Iraqi nuclear threat. I mean, yeah,
• 2:22:09
  it is true that they have a civilian nuclear program
• 2:22:12
  that Iraq didn't have, and it is I know. I
• 2:22:14
  saw when Mike Baker was on who I love. I
• 2:22:17
  love Mike Baker, but I think he's wrong about all
• 2:22:19
  this stuff. But when he was, when you even you
• 2:22:21
  had said to him at one point where you were like, yeah,
• 2:22:24
  but like, you know, the counter argument to that is
• 2:22:25
  that this is like a latent nuclear deterrent. Is the idea,
• 2:22:28
  not that they're developing a nuclear weapon, And Mike was
• 2:22:31
  basically like, yeah, but they're up to sixty percent, you know,
• 2:22:34
  and that's on its way to ninety percent. But the
• 2:22:37
  thing is, why weren't they at ninety percent. They didn't
• 2:22:39
  have to stop at sixty percent. They mastered the fuel cycle,
• 2:22:42
  and they figured out all this technology a long time ago.
• 2:22:44
  They could they could have enriched up to weapons grade.
• 2:22:47
  Why did they stop at sixty percent? And why did
• 2:22:50
  they then enter negotiations with the United States of America
• 2:22:53
  about the level to which they were enriching uranium, because
• 2:22:56
  it's that it's a latent nuclear deterrent. It's a bargaining.
• 2:23:00
  They were down at like three to five percent or
• 2:23:02
  something under the JCPOA until Trump tore it up, until
• 2:23:07
  Trump backed out of it, and then under the rules
• 2:23:09
  of the JCPOA because they're still in it with Europe
• 2:23:12
  and we'll see where that goes now, but they were
• 2:23:14
  allowed to up the enrichment once America pulled out, and
• 2:23:18
  so they exercised that option in the agreement. And there,
• 2:23:22
  you know the idea that they were you know, the
• 2:23:26
  look there was the Annual Threat Assessment had come out
• 2:23:28
  just a few months before the war, and Toolsey Gabbert
• 2:23:31
  signed her name at the bottom of it and then
• 2:23:32
  testified before Congress. And it's clear as day. She turned
• 2:23:35
  around and acted like people were misrepresenting it, but they weren't.
• 2:23:38
  It was clear as day. Anyone can read it for themselves,
• 2:23:40
  so that they have Iran has not made the political
• 2:23:43
  decision to pursue a nuclear weapon yet, let alone have
• 2:23:49
  achieved it or gotten one. And when Donald Trump was
• 2:23:53
  asked about that, remember they said, your own Director of
• 2:23:55
  National intelligence says that they're not developing a weapon, and
• 2:23:58
  he goes, well, I disagree.
• 2:24:00
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the I'm sure you have the
• 2:24:02
  compilation of net Yahoo over the years saying how close
• 2:24:05
  Iran is to get a directlear weapon?
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 2: That's great. Have you seen there's other compilations of him too,
• 2:24:10
  where he's just guaranteeing, like all his guarantees. Like there's
• 2:24:14
  one of him in like I think it's the year
• 2:24:16
  before I was born. If I'm right, it's nineteen eighty two.
• 2:24:19
  And he didn't go by Benjamin Netanyah who back then
• 2:24:21
  he went by whatever his more you know, European sounded
• 2:24:24
  name was. And why he changed names, well, because they
• 2:24:28
  all they all of eighties, I would guess it's got
• 2:24:32
  to be in the eighties. It was. It was Netanyahu
• 2:24:35
  by the nineties, but in the eighties they were still
• 2:24:37
  calling him whatever. I can't remember his his previous name.
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: Why did change name?
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: Well, they all kind of you know, because the whole thing, Joe,
• 2:24:43
  is that they're all, you know, Israel was a European
• 2:24:47
  you know, construct they were made by a bunch of
• 2:24:50
  Europeans who came over and created Israel. But then they
• 2:24:52
  have to claim that they're the true Semitic people.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: Is it true that the genetic testing is out lawed there?
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 2: I believe that is true. I believe if that's true.
• 2:25:00
  Are you double check me on that? But I believe
• 2:25:01
  it's true that you need permission from the government to
• 2:25:05
  go get DNA tests and stuff.
• 2:25:07
  Speaker 1: Because I think and I believe, well, this is the
• 2:25:10
  problem with the term Semitic, because if these are European
• 2:25:16
  Jewish people, this is not the exact same. Genetics and
• 2:25:22
  genetic tests heavily regulated, heavily here, you can fucking get
• 2:25:27
  it at Walgreens, that's right, Yeah, and focused on medical
• 2:25:32
  and reproductive purposes, with broad support for carrier screening and
• 2:25:36
  pre implantation diagnosis. What does that mean? Pre implantation diagnosis.
• 2:25:44
  This creates a system where health related genetic testing is
• 2:25:47
  robust and often publicly funded, but direct to consumer tests
• 2:25:51
  for ancestry or paternity are highly restricted. Now, why would
• 2:25:55
  you highly restrict anything like that? If you wanted just
• 2:26:01
  of a human being has bodily autonomy and you want
• 2:26:03
  to find out where your ancestors came from, why wouldn't
• 2:26:06
  that be what do you think? You know?
• 2:26:09
  Speaker 2: Well, look like the only the only real answer to
• 2:26:12
  this is that they, you know, the Israel project or
• 2:26:16
  the Zionis project, always relied on this kind of claim,
• 2:26:21
  which is a crazy claim in a way. It's like
• 2:26:23
  a like a supernatural property right claim that you know,
• 2:26:27
  like that you have this which you know if you
• 2:26:29
  go there was that great documentary on the settlers in
• 2:26:32
  the West Bank, and they'll all tell you to a
• 2:26:34
  man or to a woman. They focus a lot on
• 2:26:36
  that godmother of the settler's woman. But they'll all explain
• 2:26:39
  to you, like in very plain English with a Hebrew accent,
• 2:26:43
  that God promised them all this land. So like God
• 2:26:46
  promised us all this land. So like I don't know
• 2:26:48
  who these other people are here, but God didn't promise
• 2:26:50
  it to them, He promised it to us. And so
• 2:26:52
  you know that's but like that's kind of the claim
• 2:26:55
  that we're the original people of this land and so
• 2:26:58
  we have like a right to come back here. Now
• 2:27:00
  forget for a second the fact that nobody conceives of
• 2:27:03
  property rights in this fashion in any other way, Like
• 2:27:06
  nobody thinks I could like come up with a DNA
• 2:27:08
  test and be like, oh I've got some Ukrainian in here,
• 2:27:10
  all right, Well, I'm going to march into Ukraine, knock
• 2:27:13
  on a door and be like this is actually my
• 2:27:15
  house because I was here a thousand years ago.
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: Like that's crazy, Well, block evidence. Well it's not really
• 2:27:21
  a good argument.
• 2:27:22
  Speaker 2: Well, let's just say, hypothetically, if say the truth is
• 2:27:27
  that the Jews of two thousand years ago weren't actually
• 2:27:33
  kicked out of the land, but in fact they were
• 2:27:36
  forced to convert, and that actually those people who you're
• 2:27:42
  saying were never promised the land are actually the people
• 2:27:44
  who were promised the land and then converted to Islam,
• 2:27:48
  And in fact you're just some European who came in
• 2:27:51
  here way after that. That I'm just saying, hypothetically, if
• 2:27:53
  that was the case, that would be something that maybe
• 2:27:55
  you would want to control the information of in that
• 2:27:58
  wild Well, you know, I.
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 1: Don't want this whole show to be such a Debbie downer.
• 2:28:04
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, I'll end it ill I will make a
• 2:28:06
  real positive, a real positive case about this, okay, because
• 2:28:10
  I do. Actually I'm not a pessimist, and I want
• 2:28:12
  to make sure I'm not just a downer. You know,
• 2:28:14
  I saw too. Well yeah, okay, well I'm trying. Okay, Well,
• 2:28:17
  I've done whatever I've done seventeen episodes being a downer,
• 2:28:20
  So let me, don't you know, I'll give you a
• 2:28:22
  few minutes. You know, I saw it, so I was.
• 2:28:24
  I hung out with Ron Paul a little bit as
• 2:28:26
  I was telling you, I was that as part of
• 2:28:27
  the other day. And you know, it's like every time
• 2:28:31
  I see him, he always asks me the same question,
• 2:28:36
  and it's always like the feeling like this like fatherly,
• 2:28:39
  like there's the right answer to this and a wrong
• 2:28:41
  answer to this, but I'm He always goes, uh, he goes, so, Dave,
• 2:28:45
  are you more optimistic or pessimistic? And I always say
• 2:28:50
  optimistic because I know that's the correct And every time
• 2:28:52
  he asked me this and I say optimistic, he just
• 2:28:54
  nods his head and he's like like, it's just like correct,
• 2:28:57
  that's the correct answer. You're not allowed to be pessimistic.
• 2:29:00
  You got to be optimistic, and I am. I am.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: Optimism sees a better world ahead and offers potential solutions
• 2:29:08
  and at least a mindset, yeah of a potential solution.
• 2:29:11
  The problem with pessimism is there's no way out other
• 2:29:14
  than complete anarchy and destruction.
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: That's right, And you don't you kind of I think
• 2:29:18
  this way. I mean I feel this way. Particularly, I
• 2:29:20
  think when you have kids, this becomes like I'm more focused.
• 2:29:24
  I think that the way I look at it is
• 2:29:27
  because I have kids, I don't have an option to
• 2:29:29
  be pessimistic. I don't have an option to be black
• 2:29:31
  pilled or just feel bad about It's like no, no, no, I
• 2:29:34
  got little kids. They're going to inherit this world. I
• 2:29:36
  got to do everything I can to you know, Like
• 2:29:39
  I mean, I've said this before to you, but like
• 2:29:41
  the example I think of is like if you like,
• 2:29:44
  let's say you're you're in your house with your family,
• 2:29:46
  and like you've you've got like let's say a gun
• 2:29:49
  or two in the house, and then you look outside
• 2:29:51
  and you see like there's like ten guys with guns
• 2:29:54
  charging the house and it's just you and you just
• 2:29:56
  have your one or two guns. There's ten guys with
• 2:29:58
  guns charging in the house, and you're families in the house,
• 2:30:01
  Like you don't have a right, as like the man
• 2:30:03
  of your house. You don't have a right to sit
• 2:30:05
  there and go, oh man, there's ten of them and
• 2:30:07
  only one of me. I mean, I just think the
• 2:30:09
  future looks bleak, you know, it's like what, I don't care.
• 2:30:13
  I don't know. You know your house better than them, right,
• 2:30:15
  What do you got there? You got some gasoline in
• 2:30:17
  your shed? Okay, shoot the shed that blows up a
• 2:30:19
  few of them. Get get your family into the attic,
• 2:30:20
  Get them into the basement. Guy, you gotta try. You
• 2:30:23
  still have a fighting shot here, so you don't have
• 2:30:25
  a right to just sit there and feel bad about Yeah,
• 2:30:27
  the odds are against you, but you know, crazy things
• 2:30:29
  have happened. I will say, we.
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 1: You think is that bad? Ten guys to one.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, even in a scenario.
• 2:30:38
  Speaker 1: And you're in your analogy, it's like you're fucked.
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 2: Sure, But even in that real no, I don't know.
• 2:30:44
  I don't know that you're necessarily fucked. I mean, hey, listen, dude,
• 2:30:47
  it depends if your John Wick. Well yeah, but also
• 2:30:49
  you have there's a big advantage to a house that
• 2:30:51
  you know that other people don't know.
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: I would you know by the time people with guns
• 2:30:55
  come to your house, they have a pretty good understanding.
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: I'm okay, maybe it's not the perfectnest. I'm not saying
• 2:31:01
  it's going to work out well. I'm saying, in that moment,
• 2:31:03
  you still go out, You still go out trying. Okay, Now,
• 2:31:06
  I think we have a way better situation than that.
• 2:31:08
  I think that I think that well, look, I think
• 2:31:12
  that tyranny has always relied on propaganda, and that we're
• 2:31:18
  running an experiment for like the first time where they're
• 2:31:21
  flying with no net. They don't have a propaganda apparatus anymore,
• 2:31:25
  like at all, Well, they seem certainly don't have control, yeah,
• 2:31:29
  over narratives anymore. Donald Trump can't even control what Tucker
• 2:31:33
  Carlson is gonna say, you know what I mean? Like that,
• 2:31:36
  like you can't even count on your most influential right
• 2:31:40
  wing voice in America to go like there was never
• 2:31:43
  anything like this before. There was never even just in
• 2:31:46
  recent times, There was never something George W. Bush could
• 2:31:49
  have done where you'd be like tonight on Fox News,
• 2:31:51
  Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are gonna tear him apart.
• 2:31:55
  It didn't exist. There was never anything Obama could have
• 2:31:57
  done where Rachel Maddow was gonna tear him apart. That
• 2:32:00
  like we have that for the first time. Now people
• 2:32:03
  are waking up in a way to this stuff that's
• 2:32:06
  like never happened before. And I think that gives us
• 2:32:09
  like enormous potential for positive things to happen in the future. Now,
• 2:32:14
  And the other thing that's happening is that, like economically speaking,
• 2:32:18
  are our system is being pushed to a point where
• 2:32:22
  eventually they're going to have to call it quits on
• 2:32:25
  all of this, like we just can't keep going up
• 2:32:27
  like I think it was. I forget the exact recent numbers,
• 2:32:30
  but it's something like it's over one point two trillion
• 2:32:33
  dollars a year just on interest on the debt. Interest
• 2:32:37
  on the debt is like overtaking the entire budget. And
• 2:32:40
  at a certain point there someone's gonna have to call
• 2:32:43
  it quits and be like, we just gotta start rating
• 2:32:46
  this thing back in. If they lose all of their
• 2:32:48
  popular support and all of their economic ability to keep
• 2:32:51
  running up the debt and keep the printing machines going,
• 2:32:54
  then I think there, there's gonna have to be a
• 2:32:56
  huge adjustment made there. And I do think, like, well,
• 2:32:58
  this was Xelon's argument, Yeah, yeah, that's right.
• 2:33:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why he wanted this massive economic reform,
• 2:33:04
  and yep, this is why he wanted to do an
• 2:33:06
  audit on everything, and he saw how that worked.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: Out well Okay, but he was right. Yeah, but that
• 2:33:11
  was still also like the first attempt at that yes,
• 2:33:13
  and he was right about that stuff. So okay, so yes,
• 2:33:17
  that didn't work. You know, Doge was a failure in
• 2:33:21
  terms of actually getting cuts done right now, but it
• 2:33:24
  was a huge success in terms of like putting a
• 2:33:26
  spotlight on this issue and putting it into the national
• 2:33:30
  consciousness in a way that it's never been before. And
• 2:33:33
  so now it's like, okay, well, well the second attempt,
• 2:33:35
  what will the third attempt like look like? And how
• 2:33:38
  you know, we have a new world now where Donald
• 2:33:41
  Trump won the presidency in no small part by coming
• 2:33:46
  on this show, by going on Andrew Schultz Show and
• 2:33:49
  Theo Vaughon Show, and you know, like all these different
• 2:33:52
  and now we're coming up on the next presidential elation
• 2:33:56
  like for the foreseeable future. In order to win the
• 2:33:59
  president and see, they kind of know they got to
• 2:34:01
  come here and to all of our shows and present
• 2:34:04
  something that might get you and your audience like, Okay,
• 2:34:09
  he's coming with something here. This is such a new
• 2:34:12
  dynamic that I just think, like the potential for good
• 2:34:16
  is off the charts, and so like, yeah, in the
• 2:34:19
  short term, things are still the same. Government policy is
• 2:34:22
  still what it is, and the people don't really have
• 2:34:24
  much control over that. But I think, like long term,
• 2:34:28
  I'm very bullish on the ability of people to really
• 2:34:32
  wake up and understand what's going on here.
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 1: Apparently there's some real talk about changing the status of marijuana.
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was reading about that a couple of
• 2:34:42
  weeks ago, right.
• 2:34:43
  Speaker 1: But there's something that just came out yesterday too where
• 2:34:46
  they think that Trump might declassify it and take it
• 2:34:50
  from a Schedule one to a Schedule three, which would
• 2:34:52
  change everything and open There was an article about the
• 2:34:54
  economics of it, because they were talking about these businesses,
• 2:34:58
  how they're taxed and how, you know, federally they're still
• 2:35:02
  operating like criminals. Yeah, it's like that's how that's how
• 2:35:07
  it's viewed by the federal government views it as a
• 2:35:10
  schedule on substance. You're you know, like and if you
• 2:35:13
  get arrested for it, you're fucked. Where they're going to
• 2:35:16
  change the right now, they have a limited ability to bank.
• 2:35:19
  There's the interest rates are how fucked up everything's fucked up,
• 2:35:23
  and just that alone would make a huge economic impact.
• 2:35:27
  I mean, if you if you want to do something.
• 2:35:29
  First of all, you would kill a lot of the
• 2:35:32
  interest or excuse me, a lot of the financial interest
• 2:35:35
  that the cartels have in it. If if all of
• 2:35:37
  a sudden it becomes legal here, like the cartels, probably
• 2:35:41
  they're probably going to be involved still a little bit,
• 2:35:43
  because they're involved in it already. They're involved in avocados.
• 2:35:46
  I had Ed Calderan on yesterday was explaining how they're
• 2:35:49
  they're involved in illegal fuel. The human trafficking is the
• 2:35:54
  giant business there. They have many, many horrible interests. But
• 2:35:59
  you would, at the very least, you would empower American
• 2:36:02
  businesses to do it legally and normally. And you know,
• 2:36:06
  have organic marijuana air quotes because some of the stuff
• 2:36:09
  they're finding in California that the cartel's running is they're
• 2:36:12
  using these terrible pesticides and herbicides that are like insanely
• 2:36:16
  toxic and illegal everywhere else. You can't use them in
• 2:36:20
  American crops, but yet they're using them on this marijuana.
• 2:36:23
  Because the dispensaries and stuff that's being sold, it's ninety
• 2:36:28
  percent of all the marijuana that's sold in all the
• 2:36:31
  places where marijuana is illegal. The cartel's a growing and
• 2:36:35
  they're growing it in California in national forests because it's
• 2:36:39
  a misdemeanor to get caught illegally growing marijuana in California.
• 2:36:43
  There's a great book, John Norris, Hidden War that's all
• 2:36:47
  about that. He's a game warden who had to find
• 2:36:50
  out about this the hard way and then became a
• 2:36:52
  part of a tactical unit where they would go in
• 2:36:54
  and fight the cartels in the woods. How about that? Yeah,
• 2:37:00
  it's fucking crazy. So if he does that, that'll be
• 2:37:02
  another good thing. The other good thing that he's been
• 2:37:05
  doing is getting these people together that have been in
• 2:37:10
  conflict forever and making them shake hands and having conversations
• 2:37:15
  peace talks, Like how many different people have how many
• 2:37:18
  different countries have had representatives agree to peace talks because
• 2:37:23
  of Trump. I was reading this breakdown of.
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 2: All the differents he intervened in the not intervened, but
• 2:37:30
  he at the India Pakistan thing. I know, he got
• 2:37:33
  all of them on the phone and he's you know,
• 2:37:35
  I obviously just had putin over here. But yeah, a
• 2:37:39
  few examples of that, which is great.
• 2:37:40
  Speaker 1: It's great. Yeah, so there's it's not all negative.
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: Well it's not not only is it great? Right, But
• 2:37:47
  it's isn't it so insane that it, dude, that it
• 2:37:52
  took this long for like just with a Putin and
• 2:37:55
  Donald Trump that like, like I always say, and I
• 2:37:59
  know this is kind of like a hippie thing to say,
• 2:38:00
  but I think the world needs a little bit more
• 2:38:02
  of that. But like, Okay, it's kind of crazy that
• 2:38:06
  war still exists. It's kind of crazy that we're at
• 2:38:10
  the you know, like you'd almost feel like if you
• 2:38:11
  if you saw a society and you're like, what, you've
• 2:38:13
  gotten to the point where like you have the written
• 2:38:15
  language and two story buildings, you'd be like, you probably
• 2:38:18
  should have figured out something other than war at this point.
• 2:38:21
  But yet, you know, you're talking about a society with
• 2:38:22
  the Internet and skyscrapers and heart surgery and like all
• 2:38:25
  these things and like you still but still, and we
• 2:38:28
  have international governance of some sort. You know, you have
• 2:38:32
  the United Nations and things like this, and you're telling me,
• 2:38:35
  like there is international law, and like the first rule
• 2:38:40
  isn't that like if any countries are ever going to
• 2:38:42
  go to war, you guys have to get in a
• 2:38:44
  room together, Like before we go to war, we need
• 2:38:47
  to know that we've exhausted every alternative option that there is,
• 2:38:50
  especially when it's the United States and Russia, you know
• 2:38:53
  what I mean. And yet it took all this time
• 2:38:56
  for the first time for the two leaders of them
• 2:38:59
  to sit down and meet. Crazy. But on the positive side,
• 2:39:01
  they did just sit down and meet. That's a lot
• 2:39:03
  better than not sitting down and meeting.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: And that's what's unique about him is that he wants
• 2:39:07
  these things to happen. He truly doesn't want us to
• 2:39:10
  be going to war. I mean, he ran on that,
• 2:39:12
  and I think it's true. And despite what happened in Iran,
• 2:39:16
  like it was at least limited, and it seems like
• 2:39:19
  there was some communication that made it limited. You know.
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: Well, there's no question having a president whose default setting
• 2:39:28
  was to desire an off ramp made a huge difference there. Yeah,
• 2:39:31
  because you know, if you had had, like if this
• 2:39:33
  was a Dick Cheney George W. Bush type of presidency,
• 2:39:38
  they could have found any excuse, you know what I mean,
• 2:39:40
  Like once you get to that point, they could have
• 2:39:42
  found any reason to keep it going.
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: But at least that kind of made sense to me
• 2:39:46
  because there were these right wing people, whereas the seeing
• 2:39:51
  the left wing calling for war and saying that Ukraine
• 2:39:55
  was going to win this thing, Like, God damn, what happened?
• 2:40:00
  How did it? How did it flip? How did it
• 2:40:02
  flip that if you want a conclusion to the war
• 2:40:06
  that you're supporting putin, how did how did that flip?
• 2:40:10
  How did it flip? Where people aren't trying to exhaust
• 2:40:12
  every possible way to stop the end of the killing
• 2:40:16
  of all these people that are conscripted and sent to
• 2:40:19
  the front lines to die when they don't want to
• 2:40:21
  be there.
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's right.
• 2:40:24
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 2: Well also, even though like the you know, when people
• 2:40:28
  were like bragging about like the Twelve Day War, you know,
• 2:40:32
  which again is not clear that it's over yet. You
• 2:40:34
  don't really get to decide that until years later. You know,
• 2:40:36
  they didn't call it World War One until World War
• 2:40:39
  two came around, and then you go, oh, that was
• 2:40:41
  the First World War.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: What does it say? I've settled six wars in six months,
• 2:40:47
  one of them a possible nuclear disaster. Trump wrote a
• 2:40:49
  true social on August eighteenth, before meeting with European leaders
• 2:40:53
  and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky at the White House, where
• 2:40:57
  he made a similar claim. I know exactly what I'm doing,
• 2:41:00
  and I don't need the advice of people who have
• 2:41:02
  been working on all these conflicts for years and were
• 2:41:05
  never able to do a thing to stop them. So
• 2:41:09
  click on that where it says six wars in six months.
• 2:41:11
  It seems to be a link. Oh it's just his post.
• 2:41:17
  M what are the six wars? Throw that into GROC.
• 2:41:25
  I was just interested in, like what he is? Uh? What?
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: What? What wars are? Is he claiming.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: Breakthroughs because I know he has had these people get together.
• 2:41:35
  How many wars is real? Any iron?
• 2:41:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, well you don't get to count that one.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 1: You stand in India, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of
• 2:41:44
  the Congo. June the two go back, and June the
• 2:41:49
  two countries signed a peace agreement in Washington aimed at
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  ending decades of conflict. Trump said it would help increase
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  trade between them and the US. What's the next one?
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  Thailand and Camp. On twenty sixth of July, Trump posted
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  on true Social I am calling the acting Prime Minister
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  of Thailand right now to likewise request a ceasefire and
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  end to the war, which is currently raging. A couple
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  days later, the two countries agree to an immediate and
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  unconditional ceasefire after less than a week of fighting at
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  the border. Malaysia held the peace talks, but President Trump
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  threatened to stop separate negotiations on reducing US tariffs unless
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  Thailand and Cambodia stopped fighting. Let's look at this one,
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  Armenia and Azerbaijan. The leaders of both countries said Trump
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  should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts in
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  securing a peace deal, which was announced at the White
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  House on eighth of August. I think he gets good
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  credit here. The overall Office signing ceremony may have pushed
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  the parties to peace, says mister o'hanlan. In March, the
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  two governments had said they were ready to end their
• 2:42:53
  nearly forty year conflict centered on the status of the
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  How do you say that, Gordon, Nigoro Karabakh, Your guests
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  as good as mine. I'll you.
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  Speaker 2: I'll let you figure that one out.
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  Speaker 1: The most recent serious outbreak of fighting was in September
• 2:43:09
  twenty twenty third, when Azerbaijan sees the enclave where many
• 2:43:13
  ethnic Armenians lived Egypt in Ethiopia. There's another one. After
• 2:43:19
  twelve years of disagreement. Egypt's foreign minister said on the
• 2:43:22
  twenty ninth of June that talks with Ethiopia had ground
• 2:43:25
  to a halt. Trump said, if I was Egypt, I'd
• 2:43:27
  want the water in the Nile. He promised that the
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  US was going to resolve the issue very quickly. Egypt
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  welcomed Trump's words, but Ethiopian officials say they risked inflaming tensions.
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  No formal deal has been reached. Okay. Serbia and Kosovo,
• 2:43:43
  Trump claimed to prevent an outbreak of hostilities between them,
• 2:43:47
  saying Serbia Kosovo or was going to go at it,
• 2:43:50
  going to be a big war. I said, you go
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  at it. There's no trade with the United States. They said, well,
• 2:43:54
  maybe we won't go at it. They he talked to
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  this Z.
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  Speaker 2: You're just so you just know. That is a Trump quote.
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  Speaker 1: The Jeff countries signed an economic normalization agreement in the
• 2:44:05
  Oval Office with the President in twenty twenty, but they
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  were not at war at the time, So it doesn't
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  say that that's been resolved. Is that it? Okay? Yeah,
• 2:44:16
  it seems like some of them haven't totally been resolved.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think at the least he's trying the Armenian one,
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  I think is the one he should get the most
• 2:44:23
  credit for because they did sign that piece deal in
• 2:44:25
  the White House, and both the leaders did say like, yeah,
• 2:44:29
  Donald Trump really played a huge role in this. With
• 2:44:32
  the other things. He kind of never knows, but this.
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 1: Is a new and unique thing that this guy, I mean,
• 2:44:36
  he's only been in office for eight months, and that
• 2:44:38
  he's like actively pursuing all these international conflicts trying to
• 2:44:42
  get these people together and stop it.
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  Speaker 2: No, that stuff is all very good, so, you know, good. Yeah, Now,
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  I don't give him any credit for the I mean,
• 2:44:50
  let's try to say this. I do give him credit,
• 2:44:52
  like I said before, for taking the off ramp when
• 2:44:55
  he had it on the Twelve Day War. But the
• 2:44:56
  thing about that one is that he just never needed
• 2:44:59
  to launch the thing to begin with. And I don't know,
• 2:45:01
  you know, I'm not even sure he did launch it,
• 2:45:03
  to be honest, it's kind of unclear how that happened,
• 2:45:06
  because they were in negotiations with the Iranians and then
• 2:45:09
  Israel attacked them, and then after Israel attacked them, Trump
• 2:45:12
  said basically, we were all in on it together, which
• 2:45:15
  might be true. But I do know that Tucker Carlson said,
• 2:45:18
  I'm not revealing anything privately. He said this on the record.
• 2:45:21
  He knows Whitkoff, who was the guy who was point
• 2:45:24
  manning the negotiations, and he was like, it is absolutely
• 2:45:27
  not true that these were like fake negotiations designed to
• 2:45:32
  trick the Iranians so Israel could get their shot off.
• 2:45:34
  That that's just not true. Now I don't know exactly
• 2:45:37
  what's right there.
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 1: Now you have to cover for your friend because your
• 2:45:40
  friend threw the first punch.
• 2:45:41
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Well, I know that Trump was upset because
• 2:45:43
  he let it out that he was upset that after
• 2:45:46
  he called for the ceasefire, Israel just started bombing the
• 2:45:49
  crap out of him, and he was like, what are
• 2:45:50
  you guys doing?
• 2:45:51
  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: But then he turns around and still supports everything they're doing.
• 2:45:54
  Speaker 1: Well, they have conversations, they have meetings. Yeah. Fuck.
• 2:46:00
  Speaker 2: The thing about it is, though, is that going forward.
• 2:46:02
  I think this is like the more important thing is
• 2:46:04
  that going forward, this problem is not off the table.
• 2:46:07
  You know, they're saying that Trump's going to say he
• 2:46:09
  completely destroyed you know, Iran's nuclear program, but that's not
• 2:46:14
  clear at all. And everything the Iranians are saying is
• 2:46:17
  that they are going to continue having a civilian nuclear program,
• 2:46:20
  and they have the technology and the like, they can
• 2:46:24
  rebuild this thing. And so then the question is like
• 2:46:26
  if they do, what do we want to do next
• 2:46:28
  about that? And what's great is that this at least
• 2:46:30
  was a little war that didn't result in like a
• 2:46:32
  major catastrophe, still a catastrophe for the people who died,
• 2:46:35
  and there were Iranians and Israelis who died in this war.
• 2:46:38
  It wasn't like it was bloodless, but at least it
• 2:46:42
  maybe gives us some time to go like for the
• 2:46:44
  next go around, to just be like, yeah, we don't
• 2:46:47
  need to go to war over a civilian nuclear program.
• 2:46:50
  First off, we shouldn't go to war over a nuclear
• 2:46:52
  weapons program. Like what is that?
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 2:46:55
  Speaker 2: Uh, what's Truman was the president when the Soviet unions
• 2:46:59
  dive up nuclear weapons. Soviet unions Joseph Stalin developed nuclear weapons,
• 2:47:04
  and he didn't attack them over that. He didn't say
• 2:47:06
  we're gonna launch a war of aggression because you're developing
• 2:47:10
  the same weapons we have. And I think it was
• 2:47:12
  Johnson was president when now Seytong, the most evil man
• 2:47:15
  who's ever lived, developed nuclear weapons. There's never like a
• 2:47:19
  war of aggression launched over that everyone's so convinced we
• 2:47:22
  got to do it over around. But anyway, they weren't
• 2:47:24
  even pursuing nuclear weapons. Hopefully the next go around the
• 2:47:29
  American people have even had it even more and they're like, yeah,
• 2:47:32
  we're just not supporting this anymore.
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 1: Do you remember when Obama had a press conference and
• 2:47:36
  talked about we give a speech talk about that we
• 2:47:39
  were going to go to war with Syria? Mm hm
• 2:47:41
  do you remember that announced it and everybody was like,
• 2:47:43
  what the fuck are you talking?
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 2: That's right?
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 1: And then they said get it, and.
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 2: You know, it was a huge part of that was
• 2:47:51
  it was like the first war, the Internet shut down,
• 2:47:53
  you know, where it was like, and it was it
• 2:47:55
  was a well, I think Steve Bannon had a lot
• 2:47:57
  to do with that. He was over at Bright Part
• 2:47:59
  at the time, and they really got on the like
• 2:48:01
  we are not supporting this war. But then there were
• 2:48:04
  like it was all over Twitter where there were the
• 2:48:06
  active duty military guys and they would dress up in
• 2:48:09
  like they would put on the military uniform but cover
• 2:48:11
  their face and then just like hold a sign that's
• 2:48:15
  like I will not fight for al Qaeda in Syria.
• 2:48:17
  Because those guys knew what that was. This is, by
• 2:48:19
  the way, the whole thing. This is where they tried
• 2:48:21
  to smear Tulsi Gabbard. This is when Barry Weiss was
• 2:48:24
  on here and said she's in asad toady and then
• 2:48:26
  didn't know what toady meant or whatever. But like they
• 2:48:28
  try to it's almost like they try to tell you
• 2:48:30
  this story, like what would that even mean? What are
• 2:48:33
  they saying? Are they what's the claim Tulsi Gabbert is
• 2:48:35
  secretly loyal to a Syrian dentist who became the dictator
• 2:48:40
  of the country. Like that doesn't make any sense, does that?
• 2:48:43
  Why would Tulsi Gabbert have been so against that war? Well,
• 2:48:46
  the reason she was against that war is because she
• 2:48:49
  actually knew the first thing about it, unlike all these
• 2:48:52
  other people. I'm like Barry Weis, who didn't even know
• 2:48:54
  what the word toady meant as she was calling her.
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 1: That.
• 2:48:56
  Speaker 2: Tulsi Gabbard for whatever you might say about her, and
• 2:48:59
  I've got some criticisms of her myself, but she knows
• 2:49:03
  who the sites are and who the Sunnies are, and
• 2:49:05
  she knows which camp is on which side, and she
• 2:49:08
  knew that on the other side of Bashar al asade
• 2:49:12
  in the civil War, which was started by Barack Obama.
• 2:49:15
  On the other side of this was ISIS and al Qaeda.
• 2:49:19
  And her whole thing was she signed up, she enlisted
• 2:49:21
  to go fight al Qaeda because they hit us on
• 2:49:23
  nine to eleven. And so she's always furious that actually
• 2:49:27
  Tolsi supports the war on terrorism too much, I would
• 2:49:31
  argue she she just objected to the war for terrorism.
• 2:49:34
  She was like, I just don't think we should fight
• 2:49:36
  wars for al Qaeda. I believe we ought to fight
• 2:49:39
  them against al Qaeda. And that was her, that was
• 2:49:41
  her beef with that one. She was absolutely right about it.
• 2:49:44
  And by the way, al Kita's in charge of the country. Now, yeah, whoops, whoops,
• 2:49:48
  that'll work, That'll work out. Well, I'm sure it works everywhere.
• 2:49:50
  Every time we overthrow our country, it works out great.
• 2:49:53
  Its always Olivia did a good we did a real
• 2:49:56
  good job there. Well did you see, Well, this was
• 2:49:58
  the crazy thing for the people who were at acating
• 2:50:00
  regime change in the Twelve Day War in Iran. They
• 2:50:02
  would always as you see, they were like there were
• 2:50:04
  Israeli government officials who were posting pictures of the Sun
• 2:50:08
  of the Shaw, like the implication being that he would
• 2:50:12
  kill come back into power because what was exact. So
• 2:50:16
  now the war on terrorism started with spreading democracy, and
• 2:50:21
  in its ends phase, we're spreading a high of what's
• 2:50:25
  the word, I'm looking for a monarchy, hereditary monarchy or something.
• 2:50:31
  It's like, yeah, but also, by the way, what do
• 2:50:33
  you think the odds are that if we overthrew the Molas,
• 2:50:35
  that the son of the Shaw just walks back into
• 2:50:38
  power and all the warring factions just go, yeah, no,
• 2:50:41
  that's you know, the US propped him up in nineteen
• 2:50:44
  fifty three, so then yeah, okay, he's the rightful ruler. Like,
• 2:50:47
  I don't think so, dude.
• 2:50:48
  Speaker 1: We listen, man, I don'tenough getting bummed out.
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not trying to bunchy.
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 1: I think it just there's so much going. That's the
• 2:50:56
  problem with being alive today is you're you're paying to
• 2:51:00
  so many different conflicts.
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but dude, it's like the world. Yeah, but like
• 2:51:04
  in the twentieth century, you know, like there were two
• 2:51:07
  world wars and there was all this horrible shit, you know,
• 2:51:10
  and then like but today, like, dude, we live in
• 2:51:14
  like the most amazing time, dude. I mean there's literally
• 2:51:16
  bring it home nice well listen, man, I mean this
• 2:51:19
  the most sincere thing I've ever said in my life.
• 2:51:24
  My son was born with a congenital heart defect that
• 2:51:28
  would have killed him in almost any other time period.
• 2:51:30
  Unless I was alive today or in the last ten years,
• 2:51:33
  thirty years ago, I would have lost my son. And
• 2:51:35
  today's fine. He's the great cutest little boy in the world.
• 2:51:38
  You ever see it, and so like, I don't know,
• 2:51:40
  I'd still rather live today than any other time just
• 2:51:43
  for that alone, no doubt. And we have an ability
• 2:51:45
  to like reach people and trade with each other and
• 2:51:48
  communicate with each other. We're really close to like curing
• 2:51:53
  all types of diseases and ailments and extending life and
• 2:51:58
  extending you know, people are educated and connected in a
• 2:52:00
  way that they've never been before. You know, we got
• 2:52:02
  all these problems, but we've had lots of problems before.
• 2:52:05
  Speaker 1: I just think it's aware of the problems now, that's right,
• 2:52:07
  and which is the first step to recognizing them and
• 2:52:09
  then going after them and trying to resolve them.
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 2: That'll be our kids generation, me and you will, me
• 2:52:14
  and you will just be recognizing them and then we'll
• 2:52:16
  leave it to them to solve it.
• 2:52:19
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have some fun this weekend at the Mothership.
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 2: It's my favorite weekend of every year.
• 2:52:23
  Speaker 1: Well, it's always awesome to have.
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  Speaker 2: You wait al on. Comedy wise, maybe I do something
• 2:52:27
  with the wife and kids that kind in trouble for that, but.
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 1: It's uh, your podcast, tell everybody how to get it.
• 2:52:33
  It's everywhere.
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 2: Part of the problem is my political podcast, Legion of
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  Skanks is the knucklehead comedy podcast. But it's also very fun,
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  So go check that out and then yeah, pull the
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  Mothership shows all sold that next year, can't say the
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• 2:52:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, thanks mother You're you're a man by everybody.