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Bite Into Your Gut Health · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma, getting to the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
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on discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, ballistic practitioners, loved ones,
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and anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in. Well, hey, my favorite listeners on
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the planet, my little VIPs. I would like to start today with everybody
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just taking a deep breath and freaking smiling, because I want everyone to just
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smile, like bigheartedly right now, because just for even a second, even
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if you don't feel like doing it, just do it. You know.
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I, even in the middle of all of the bullshit that I go through
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with my body and all of that, I really try to still bring my
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smile and bring my sassiness and my depravity and all of my stuff with me.
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But you know, it's sometimes it's really hard for us to smile just
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show that window to our happiness because we all struggle with so many things in
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life, whether it's trauma or chronic pain, or family issues or death.
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In this and that. I mean, we all have so many things going
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on and we forget to breathe. Lindsay needs to breathe, and we forget
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to smile. And you know, I sometimes I feel like I'm crawling out
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of my skin because of my pain, and it is hard to smile.
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So I need to smile, damn it, right, And that is what
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I'm encouraging you guys to do. I have been blessed in my life with
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I would say if I could pat myself on the back with a pretty decent
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smile, and I've been told I have a contagious bit of a laugh,
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right, But when it comes to my teeth, I've been very very good
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with my healthcare with teeth, but over the past or my oral healthcare over
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the past two years or so, I'm really struggling with the sensitivity within my
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teeth that crpsism. Because as you guys know that I've listened so far,
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and if you haven't welcome, I'm a disaster and I love being a hot
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disaster sometimes. But I've learned that I have the nerves, the nerve endings
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of everything in my body is super sensitive and my teeth have jumped into that
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role, and it's a struggle, like breathing in and out. My teeth
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feel like I've got like ice cold like wind blowing on my teeth all the
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time. And it's hard to eat because of all of this. And as
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my listeners know, at this point, I talk about my disordered eating and
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how that came to be, and I know that now my teeth have come
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into a bit of my disordered eating because I'm afraid to eat certain things.
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I'm afraid to get hot cold whatever it hurts to two. There's all kinds
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of weird things that are going on, and so I've been hunting at I
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don't like going to the dentist, right, forget it. Who likes going
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to the dentis nobody? Everybody raise your hand if you like going to the
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dentist. No, no hands are going up, right. But I'm struggling
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with I know the fact that I need to take better care of my oral
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health because it affects so many other parts of our body. And I didn't
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actually really know that. I mean, I'm a smart chick, but I
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just didn't know. And I've been hunting down somebody to talk about this,
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and I've found her so out further ado, I'd like to introduce you to
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my guest today, Rocky Norris. Rocky, Yes, girl, Hi,
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thank you so much for having me. Oh my god, I love having
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you here. And I love your name like nobody's business. Yeah, nobody
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forgets it, that's for sure. I love that. Yeah. So let
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me introduce you to Rocky. She's a nutritional therapy practitioner, a registered dental
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higdenist for over fifteen years. She's also a licensed restart instructor and has really
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seen firsthand how our overall health is affected by what's going on in the gut
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and the mouth. And a lot of the episodes that I've been doing recently
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and have been releasing have been about the fact, really talking about gut health
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and nutrition because it's something that's so important to the chronic pain community that's also
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incredibly important to everybody. So we hear a lot about that got health these
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days and how it affects our well being and we don't all necessarily know the
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effects of it, and how the signs of our health issues around our body,
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shope and our mouth. So little miss Rocky road and roll about the
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red carpet for you. First of all, I applaud you for working with
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people's mouths, because too, it's not oo to me. It makes everybody's
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At the end, I don't know how you do it. Nobody has to
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do it, but I actually like it. It's pride and enjoyed for me.
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What's good. So how did you get into dentistry in the first place
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when we all basically hate you people? Well, I personally always love to
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get my teeth clean, so that, oh you are a weirdo. Yes,
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that I think that's where it started from. And I veered towards not
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the normal population. I went off by myself, by myself. Well you
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know, I always end up like rescheduling all of my dential appointments and ends
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up being like three four times. Then I finally make it in, Oh
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but you have a beautiful mouth, thank you. Done would not agree with
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that, I mean maybe cosmetically. So how did you get let's talk about
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your dentistry, and then how you got into gut health and oral health and
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holistic nutrition and the connection between those two or those three or all of those
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things above. So I got into dentistry because I was in the military and
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I was deployed to Iraq and on our free time, we could volunteer.
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So I volunteered and it was called Sea Mock and it was the medical and
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dental team that would help out the local nationals. And I started to assist
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a dentist there and I was like, ooh, I like this, I
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want to help people. So of course, when I was overseas, I
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was starting to look. And then once I got back to the States,
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that's when I rolled into school and got into dental hygiene and it was like
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perfect for me because it's so structured, you know, you have to have
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everything clean, but it's an art form too so and the creativity of cleaning
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somebody's mouth is an art form. But then down the line, about ten
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twelve years into it, I started to notice that people that actually did do
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the rushing and flossing, because I was seeing patients regularly, they would still
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have problems like you know, cavities, Harry Donald disease, gingivitis that just
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wouldn't go away even though they were doing all the things at home. So
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that's when I was like, something's missing, something's missing in the modern day,
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you know, dentist right, that were not correlating. So I started
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to do a lot of research, and even family members started coming up to
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me saying, I'm doing all this stuff, but you know, my implant
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has failed. That was somebody in their thirties, one of my family members.
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Yeah, and my mother. They were telling her to extract three teeth
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because it got so bad. But I know her home care was good.
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And I was like, there's a missing link. And that's when I started
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to veer out, Wait, what are we putting on our mouths other than
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brushing of flossing food? Food? Is the correlation between what's going on in
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the mouth and the gut in the whole body. We're not viewing the body
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as a whole. We are dissecting it. We're not running heads. You
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know, we don't run around with just our heads. We run around with
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this whole body. So and I think a lot of people forget that.
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So I feel like I run around with my head cut off all the time.
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So maybe I'm no. No, I do too. I cracked my
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body with me sometimes, but slow down. So that's really interesting because I
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also I'm like, I'm like anal retentive about it. Like I brushed my
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teeth and I do my flossing, and I've got my water pick and my
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suit is the same thing. We do all of that, but I'm like,
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I've got problems with my mouth. Like I don't have bad breath or
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anything like that. My teeth are pretty okay, but they hurt, and
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my gums are starting to hurt, like really bad. And I'm getting a
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receding gum on one side and so now the top I can feel the top
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of my tooth on one side of my mouth now, and I'm like,
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oh, it's going on because I've always taken really good care of my teeth.
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So when you've made this connection between what the heck is going on with
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these mouths because they're doing all of the right things that we say to do.
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Make sure you're doing your this and you're that, and you're all the
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So what's happening, then what the heck is happening Where we're doing good care,
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we're taking care of our teeth, but yet we're still coming up with
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all of these problems and health issues. It's because we're still dissecting it and
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only viewing it as a mouth because these are just exposed bone. Your teeth
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are just exposed bones. So if your teeth aren't healthy, in your mouth,
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then what is the rest of your bones look like? And what bones
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need? They need vitamins, they need minerals, and they need nutrition so
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that they can regenerate. And I don't believe in today's society with our food,
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our food actually regenerates our bones and our teeth. They're literally getting softer
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and they're getting meeker, and they're not thick, healthy teeth anymore. They're
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very brittle, especially people that age on. They're brittle. They fall apart,
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like you were saying, receiving gums. It's a big factor in sensitivity
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is skyrocketed. People grinding and clenching their teeth as skyrocketed because of twenty twenty.
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So there's different factors that we're not taking into consideration. We're just putting
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band aids on things instead of getting to the root cause. And so how
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do we get to the roots, Because I love the word root you a
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little sneaky devil, even conspiring with the Rocky Nors. So yeah, I
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mean getting to the root cause I know is different for every person. Yeah,
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because something that you mentioned, which is so ricken crazy to me,
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is that could each tooth be connected to different organs, I would like to
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talk to you about that because that is like almost creepy. We talked about
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it about like reflexology like on our feet and how we like press onth This
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is your liver and this is that, and the same thing like with our
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ears, like we can do ACU pressure there and all these things. Your
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teeth, I was mind blown. So can we talk about that because that's
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really interesting. So there's different roots that connect to your nerves, and those
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nerves are connected to the same sensors that are connected to other organs in your
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body. So you know, when a tooth fails or you get a cavity
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on it, or let's just say wisdom teeth. Let's go to wisdom teeth.
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Most people get them extracted, right, But those wisdom teeth are actually
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connected to your heart. Oh yeah, so that's why whoa yeah. Your
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front teeth are usually considered your kidneys, your bladder, and the sex organs,
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So those are your front teeth. In between, like the front teeth
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and the wisdom teeth are small intestines, large intestine, your gi track and
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that's where we see a lot of cavities forming ching service when we're chewing,
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and we see a lot of cavities is because there's nutritional imbalance that's happening in
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your gun. So of course your gi track is going to take the nutrition
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from the food you eat to put it in your system instead of leaving it
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with your teeth because there's an imbalance. Yeah, that's so weird. So
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where's your liver in your mouth? I think that's the second molar? Oh
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okay, all right, and she's doing okay, just checking in on the
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old liver. You know, that's so interesting because I mean, it makes
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sense. I mean, we're all everything is so connected, and we I
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like that you talk about we like dissect these certain parts of our body,
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and that is what our health care system has done. And we can only
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speak to a cure in America, which as we know, is such a
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lovely system. But that I'm gonna get me started. I'm so frushed in
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but like, okay, now you just have this issue with this one tooth
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or these two teeth or what have you. But it could actually have something
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to do with your intestine. That's insane to me. Yep, yep,
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And what does that have to do? I mean, I gut health.
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I know I've talked. There's a Gallot's coming. Actually, she was on
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my show a couple of weeks ago, and we talked about stomach acid,
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because she's specific about gut health that particular episode, and we talked about stomic
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acid and how it's almost counterintuitive where you think, like if I'm getting like
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acid reflects or GIRD or whatever, that I have too much stomach acid in
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my body, and it's quite the opposite. And so we're taking stuff to
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get rid of stomach acid and instead we're supposed to be raising our alkaline and
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our aid in our stomach. So we're being completely brought down the wrong road
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just in relation to that and gut health, and how does that affect our
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teeth in our oral health, Well, that brings down bone structure, honestly,
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to tell you, that's where and I honestly believe that's what happened to
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a family member of mine. Net fails our implant because she didn't have enough
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phone. But she was on inhibitors for I can't think of the word right
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now, but as ad reflex, she is GIRD and she's beating her over
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I don't know, ten or fifteen years now, and so it literally ate
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away at the implant yeah, you do, like the omnipresenel and the pep
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said and all those things. You're welcome. This is what I do for
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a living. No, I don't. I just talk about this shit all
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the time. No, but that's so interesting because it's so counterintuitive to what
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we've been told to do. Do this, do this, do this,
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and you'll be fine. Guess what, like fifty percent of those things were
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actually the wrong decision for oral healthcare. So what are you doing in relation
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to Oh? Oh, there was another thing I want to talk to you
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about, which was in relation to parasites and oral health problems, because I
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was diagnosed with this random parasite called age pylori in my gut and I don't
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don't google it, all right, just don't do it. I'm not going
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to answer any of your questions as to how or why so we end up
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getting these parasites, we end up getting these weird bacteria and our gut.
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How in the hell are these all happening? And are they coming from oral
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healthcare or are they causing oral health or is a little bit of both.
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I think it's a little bit of both. But any grinding or clenching that's
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a parasite. Whoa, yeah, yeah, we're told that it's actually stress.
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It's not. It's that the little suckers like to run around at night.
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That's how my whole body feels. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, so
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um yeah, and it's it's really if we actually focused it more on the
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gut and cleared out the gut and made sure that we had a balance,
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then we would see a lot less trauma in our mouth, including our whole
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body. So yeah, so interesting, it is crazy. And because I
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know that like a lot you've you've talked about the dissecting, and we talk
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about the band aid part of medicine as a whole. Yeah, so I
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know that's not how you work, not doing band aids. So can we
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talk about what it is that you do to help your clients in relation to
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healthy mouth, healthy body, healthy gut. How do we get started with
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somebody like you and what are you doing to help us in this regard?
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Well, I'm like the first stop you want to see before you actually are
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going in to see, like a GI specialist. Nothing against you, I
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specialists, They're doing their job. But what I will do is dissect what
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is going on. So I will get to the nitty gritty, and that's
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what I really focus on and see what's actually going on systemically throughout your body
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instead of just saying, oh, you have to introvite us or you have
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gum disease, let's fix that. No, there's an underlying you have an
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autoimmune disorder. Let's figure out what's going on with that autoimmune disorder. Let's
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build a foundation from that and work our way up. And how do you
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go about doing that? What kind of are there tests involved? Or how
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do you go about doing that? It's let's say just me like like,
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hey, rocky girl, Um, I have all of these problems, as
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everybody on this Steve that listens too knows, So how do I how would
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you onboard somebody like me? It's like, Okay, I've got all this
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crazy sensitivity, I've got gut health, I've got disordered eating. Do you
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do you work with people with disordered eating? And relationship? Okay? Yes,
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it has it has it all. It's encompetition in it all. But
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what so everybody's bioindividual. That's the other thing that I think in America we
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kind of just put everybody in this pot and say, okay, one size
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fits all. Which is not the case because something you can digest or eat,
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I can't. So that's what I'm trying to dissect. I'm trying to
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make sure that we've covered all the bases and going from that, then the
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testing comes, if need be, then the supplementation right, because we can't
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Our food is great if we're eating the right foods for our body, but
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still the nutrients that we're getting from our food nowadays isn't nearly what it was
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even fifty years ago, so we have to have some type of supplementation to
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add in more vitamins and minerals. And then from there that's when we would
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structure something that can help you digest your food better and kind of let the
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funnel I call it funneling filter everything out because you don't want to keep toxins
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in your body because then I start building up and then those nice bugs that
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you have in your body are like, yes, I get more food,
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and then your body never gets the nutrients. You know. It's like a
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big bug party over here, it is, and they love it. They're
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like, yes, even more, you know, like that Disney Pixar movie
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like bugs or ants or whatever. I don't have any kids. I don't
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watching any of that stuff, but that's what I feel like is going on
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in my body. And like I've got this weird theme in my legs.
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I call it the worm we squirmys, and it feels like I have little
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worms running through the veins of my body. And there are times like over
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the past two weeks in particular, I've had some pretty decent like pain days.
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I can literally see the pain moving through my life. It is like
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creepy. My sweeten are like this is like like this is like alien,
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like what is happening everybody? And my dad is so funny because he always
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has told me, because you weren't born, you were hatched, And I'm
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like, wow, that actually may have come to fruition. I might actually
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be an alien. No, but I hear you so from me personally.
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I started these supplements that I use personally because I had postnasal drip my whole
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adult life. Never could get rid of it. I just thought it was
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the thing. I was from southern California and then I moved to Massachusetts.
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I just thought, oh, it's really damp here. It's just not as
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dry. Like I'm just gonna deal with it. My whole adult life.
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Once I started taking these supplements, I have not had any postnasal drip,
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no dripping. I don't know even know because you're from California too, so
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I don't even know if you know what postnasal drip is. I do,
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Okay, So it's literally dripping and then you start coughing and it's just horrible.
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I haven't had it for a year and a half. Well, it's
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mostly from cocaine us. So I'm glad that you. I'm glad you put
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that. Yeah, I'm definitely not doing that. That is not holistic,
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but it was in my early twenties. Come on, there's a lot of
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post nasal drip going on. But I had parasites, and there can be
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parasites all over your body, not just in your gut, in your nerving
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things, to you know, all your lymphatic system. So the holistic dentist
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that I worked for, she went to a chiropractor and they did some weird
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funking moves on her and then the next thing she knows she had a parasite
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coming out of rock Oh not up. Yes, and yep, I'm telling
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you it's They're everywhere, and we think we just we live in America,
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so we don't get it because you know, we're not a third world country.
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I was under that delusion too, but like, no, my my
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body was was literally living in parasites my whole adult life. Wow. Yeah,
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parasite out of her eye, out of her eye. It was dead,
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but it but it was it was there. Yeah, Like I have
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this view of like a maggot, like just fully, you know, she
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thought it was like an eyegunky and she like pull it out. Yeah,
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yes, Oh my god. Well if I didn't think I was gonna barf
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before, I'm totally gonna barfe. Now this is so incredibly interesting because I
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just can't even believe that. I mean, I'm not stupid. Like That's
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the thing that drives me nuts when I when I have conversations like this where
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I'm like, I have a smart, bright little lady, how do I
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not know these things? You just you just named so many things that I'm
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like, oh great, oh fa, oh wonderful, oh oh great,
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great great, But parasites at the nerve endings is what just really made my
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stomach Like what what does that even mean? How? Like? Am I
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literally just a walking parasite? I feel like I am a walking parasite right
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now. Thank you. I wasn't meaning that at all, trusting, but
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but there are so many toxins in our body that we're not even aware of,
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and that we come from our environment to the food we eat, to
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you know, what we're doing on a day to day basis. Like I
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said, I had it my whole adult life thinking it was normal, And
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like you, I was like, oh, I'm pretty smart, Like I
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know, I just every winter I'm gonna have poison as drift. I just
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knew it, like it just was a thing. And then I was like,
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oh my gosh, I haven't had it for a year and a half.
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And so what did you do? What? What? What helped with
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thought? So I started taking the supplements that I usually give my clients so
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or if they need them. I mean, based on every body. We
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like to talk about it here. Just like you mentioned, we're all very
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we're all different people. Yeah, bioindividual. I love that because it's true,
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Like, don't treat me like you treat this dude over here exactly exactly.
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No, No, in that the thing we put it in, that's
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a whole system. Now, Yes, you know, if you have these
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symptoms, that's what you have. Well, no, can we like reverse
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and go back a little bit like what is this person eating? What is
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this person taking? What are their environments? Like, what is their stress
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level? Like? Nobody talks about these things in the modern day well dentistry.
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So now working with a functional dentist, we talk about all of that.
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You know, I collaborate with these functional dentists and it's amazing what we
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discover just sitting down and just talking about the person as a whole instead of
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just their mouth. Yeah. Well, and I think that that's one of
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the things that we've talked about this at infant Am on the show and we
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will continue to do so, which when it is about the fact that we
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aren't treated as holistic beings. We're treated as a one diagnosis that's like,
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oh, well this is it. You're like, well, okay, I
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have CRPS. Let me tell you all the things that it's caused. It's
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caused disordered eating, and it's caused gut problems, it's caused vision problems,
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it's caused sleeping issue, it's caused it to cause it's cause it's cause so
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great. Well, nothing is going to just treat the RPS, I have
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to treat a couple of these different things. And I know for me,
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my number one issue is food and so I just didn't know that it was
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actually happening until it was like almost too late for me, Like, oh
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great, now I've got to like fix all of these things. So with
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your experience, and I'm putting it on the spot here, how long let's
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just say, for example, I've had some oral health issues for the past
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a couple of years. I've got some gut health problems that have come up.
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How long when we start really working on it with somebody like you in
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your experience, are you able to reverse some damage or at least help support
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some damage. Are we talking like, well, we'll see in two years
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and I hope this all shakes out, or what are we talking about as
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far as timeline, because I know we're all about, like, let's fix
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it now. I know that it is a marathon and not a sprint when
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it comes to my body, So I'm much more patient when it comes to
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that. But I know a lot of people aren't. Well, you said
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it wonderfully, as your body is amazing and if you give it the credit
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that it deserves. Because it has, you know, traveled with you this
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whole time. It will give it back tenfold. So with that being said,
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if you treat it kindly and slowly, like the body needs to regenerate
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itself and it sells, it will do wonders for you. Usually with my
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clients, we start to see change in the first two months program than I
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do is three months. But I've had actually people piggyback and do like a
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six month because they seem the progress. I mean, I had somebody that
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had heartburn for I don't know, like ten years and she literally doesn't have
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it anymore because she followed the protocol and understood her body and then from there
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and then she had psoriasis disappear. So it's just, yeah, it's very
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interesting what the body can do if you give it what it means. And
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everybody's different, so I can't say she did X, Y and Z,
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and that's why I work for you, So I'd have to sit down talk
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to you, discuss what your body likes, what it doesn't like, because
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you know your body much better than I do. But I'm there just a
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guide and say, oh, let's try this or you know what, let's
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move away from that and see what your body does react to. To get
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down to the nitty gritty, it's something that your cells, which is your
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mitochondriact, which is that's where you get energy. If you have so much
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mitochondriact, you're gonna have a lot more energy. It's going to help with
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your immune system, it's going to boost all your gi track, and you're
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just gonna flourish and you're gonna have all this energy. If you do not
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have a lot of mitochondriact, which is the cell in your body, then
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it can't regenerate itself. And I get like I said, I get to
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the ninty gritty, to the mitochondriact. I want that healthy mitochondriact to the
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cell level. I want to get to that baseline so that you can build
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and build and build so that you can do it for X amount of years.
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I just find this so amazing just as a whole doing the show and
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speaking with people like you. There's a wonderful healers and so smart and so
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interested in You're so laser focused on care, like for me and my business
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and what I do. I am so broad stroked and I have so many
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different verticals and I mean, I'm good at what I do for a living,
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but like when it comes to being laser focused on something specific to oral
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healthcare, that's just like so neat because especially when you know the trickle down
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effect. And I don't love that phrase, but that's what came out of
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my mouth. But the fact that you can make these little changes, like
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I've always said, you make a small changes to make huge results. Yeah.
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And if everybody looks at like, oh my god, I have to
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eat an elephant right now, you do not have to. You just have
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to reach out to some people where you are suffering with whatever pain you are,
26:45
whatever ailment you are, whatever health condition you have, and be your
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own advocate. That is something that is huge for me is to make sure
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that we are and so with you. How do we find you, how
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do we get in touch with you, and how do we get started with
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you to help get these little mini parasite parties that are going on out of
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here. I feel like I've got a band in my stomach all day.
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Well, you can find me. It's at toothgut dot com on my website
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and I do have a free discovery call and we'll discuss if we're you know,
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a good match because it's by individual of them, so we have to
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see if we're a good match, and then we go from there and that's
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how most people contact. I love it. And then she's also on Instagram
27:25
at tooth Underscore Gut Underscore Nutrition. She's also on Facebook Nutrition with Rocky.
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And then, like she mentioned toothgut dot com. Is there anything else that
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you'd like to leave our listeners with before we kick the can here? Yes,
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I am going to be launching a cheat sheet for oral healthcare, so
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it'll be tartar free teat because that is everyone's number one goal to have tartar
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free teat and I don't even know what really causes tartar honestly, I have
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the cheat sheet. Oh good, Okay, well I'll get that into social
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and on the website and show notes and all of that. Jazz, thank
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you so much for being here today, Rocky Start. Thanks so much for
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having me. I love talking with you. I know I love talking with
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you too. Thank you so very much. Thank you. You are exclusively
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