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NUCLEAR LAB WORKER: 2 SHOCK ITEMS IN GRISLY DISCOVERY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight in the case of dead and missing US
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Speaker 1: scientists with top clearances across the board. Tonight, a nuclear
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Speaker 1: lab worker dead. We find out about two shock items
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Speaker 1: near her dead body in a grizzly forest discovery. This
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Speaker 1: as the body count seventeen. Good evening, I Meancy Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. Melissa Cassias gun found near her body.
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Speaker 1: She was completely skeletonized by the time her body has
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Speaker 1: been found. The family says, that's not her gun, that's
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Speaker 1: not our gun. Where did that gun come from?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, none of this makes any sense. There are a
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Speaker 2: lot of unanswered questions, especially in Cassis's case.
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Speaker 3: We cannot locate my wife. We haven't heard from her
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Speaker 3: all day from work with this morning was the last
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Speaker 3: time I started work. She my daughter saw her around
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Speaker 3: one o'clock. All the stuff insod in the house, but
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Speaker 3: she's not here. And it's just not like her.
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Speaker 4: To not call vote to check in and and take
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Speaker 4: her purse and her phone. And it looks like her
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Speaker 4: phone has been My daughter says, it looks like it's
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Speaker 4: been reset.
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Speaker 3: But there, you know.
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Speaker 4: So we left all around the house, everywhere on our property.
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Speaker 3: We cannot find her or nothing, and uh, I don't
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Speaker 3: know what to do. The carl she was in this
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Speaker 3: marcher at the house.
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Speaker 4: The keys are here.
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Speaker 3: The house was lost, everything everything was wash is here,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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Speaker 4: So she she went from the bus, she came home
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Speaker 4: so far with here parked in the yard. The keys
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Speaker 4: are on the kitchen table.
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Speaker 3: What's her name?
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Speaker 4: A Melissa to see us?
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Speaker 3: And we called the hospital see because I mean, you know,
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Speaker 3: if any.
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Speaker 4: There's no one ei there, uh you know at all,
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Speaker 4: like because we thought, well, maybe something.
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Speaker 3: Happened to her, her personality secure since normal be able
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Speaker 3: to identify her.
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Speaker 1: That is Mellisicasius, his husband's nine on one call that
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Speaker 1: we have just obtained. She is a nuclear lab worker
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Speaker 1: that worked very closely with General McCasland who also went missing.
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Speaker 1: You know, just for context, I want you to understand
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Speaker 1: who these people are, why it's so significant straight out
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Speaker 1: to crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney Sylvanni Sidney. Melissa's body
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Speaker 1: was found with two shock items, which completely torpedoes the
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Speaker 1: sanitized version of how she ended up skeletonized in a
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Speaker 1: densely wooded forest where she had never hiked or been
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Speaker 1: before with an un known and unidentified weapon lying beside her.
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Speaker 1: But before I get into that, I want you to
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Speaker 1: explain exactly who is McCasland. Well.
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Speaker 5: Nancy McCasland is a Air Force general retired at this point,
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Speaker 5: who worked now that he's retired, with UAP research groups,
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Speaker 5: and General McCaslin disappeared in a very similar way to
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Speaker 5: Melissa Cassius. His wife leaves to go run some errand
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Speaker 5: she says, I'll see you later. They make plans to
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Speaker 5: go to the gym, and when she returns home, he's gone,
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Speaker 5: change of clothes, is missing, a backpack with a few items,
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Speaker 5: and she has no idea where her husband is going,
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Speaker 5: what he is planning on doing.
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Speaker 1: General McCaslin, senior Pentagon roles he actually oversaw nuclear research
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Speaker 1: at Loewe's almost national lab. He oversaw multiple of the
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Speaker 1: missing people, Jacentosa and Chavez. Many people believe that several
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Speaker 1: of the seventeen missing or dead are connected to mccason
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Speaker 1: also missing. Now tonight we're talking about Melissa Cassius, nuclear
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Speaker 1: lab worker found dead in a densely wooded area, leaving
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Speaker 1: behind her daughter and taking with her two very odd items.
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Speaker 1: I want to hear more of the nim on one call.
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Speaker 6: And as you said it, she took with her phone.
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Speaker 6: She didn't take nothing, seeing her phone and everything here
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Speaker 6: and she always takes her stuff with her. My daughter
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Speaker 6: was trying to attract her location and they always track
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Speaker 6: each other, but her, but her phone's white. The thing
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Speaker 6: is what given she would never have wiped all the
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Speaker 6: pictures off and all the information life of repult.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand, Lauren Conlin, the connection between Melissa Cassius,
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Speaker 1: an administrator at l a n L Los Alamo's Nuclear
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Speaker 1: Lab and afr L. That's the Air Force Research Lab.
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Speaker 1: That's Melissa, okay, who took where her two very odd
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Speaker 1: items at torpedoes. The working theory as to how she died. Now,
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Speaker 1: both Cassius and Chavez were at af RL Air Force
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Speaker 1: Research Lab. Okay, now wait for it. McCaslin, General will
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Speaker 1: William Neil McCaslin oversaw the funding, all the funding at
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Speaker 1: a f r L. He also oversaw Monica Jacinto USA,
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Speaker 1: who also disappeared. Also Stephen Garcia built parts for nuclear
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Speaker 1: weapons connected to a f r L Air Force Research Lab.
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Speaker 1: That's how they're all connected, and the connections they're like tentacles.
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Speaker 1: They go to all of these missing and dead scientists.
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Speaker 1: Now they want me to believe that Melissa Cassius shot herself.
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Speaker 1: What like Amy Escridge, like the other scientists that we
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Speaker 1: find at the bottom of lake, like Sully, we find
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Speaker 1: odd on bed wedding medications for children. No tell me.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin guys investigative reporter LA Magazine, star of Pop
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Speaker 1: Crime TV. Also she has been dropping investigative journalistic pieces
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Speaker 1: on this story in LA Magazine. Lauren tell me the
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Speaker 1: two items Melissa Cassilla's took to her self inflicted gunshot wound?
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Speaker 1: What were they?
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Speaker 7: Nancy reportedly, and this was first reported by the Crime
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Speaker 7: Junkie podcast months ago. Sierra Cassius said that her mother
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Speaker 7: took her thyroid medication and her toothbrush. And I am
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Speaker 7: actually on simthroid thyroid medication. And if I wanted to
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Speaker 7: live my life Nancy, and I wanted to live it
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Speaker 7: comfortably and I wanted to be healthy, I would take
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Speaker 7: that with me straight.
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Speaker 1: Out to Joseph Scott Morgan joining US Professor Forensicks Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University. He is the author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. He's the star of hip podcast series
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Speaker 1: Body Bags is Joseph Scott Morgan, but for my purposes,
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Speaker 1: he is a death investigator with over ten thousand death
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Speaker 1: scenes of all sorts under his belt. Joe Scott, have
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Speaker 1: you ever ever seen a case deemed self inflicted gunshot wound?
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Speaker 1: A We can't find the bullet, the bullet's gone. It
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Speaker 1: was allegedly a gunshot wound to the head. New Mexico's
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Speaker 1: had the body for over a month now, no cood,
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Speaker 1: cause of death, no bullet. The family says, what is
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Speaker 1: that gun? We've never seen it. That's not hers, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't belong to anyone in our family. So you've got
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Speaker 1: a stranger weapon, no bullet, not in her head, not
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Speaker 1: around her. And now she took her thyroid medicine and
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Speaker 1: a toothbrush. I've never seen a self inflicted gunshot wound
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Speaker 1: where somebody thought to pack their toothbrush.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it is kind of bizarre, wouldn't you think so? Toothbrush,
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Speaker 8: thyroid medication. And by the way, if she's off of
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Speaker 8: this mid this is not a It's not a good
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Speaker 8: position to be in. If you're deepended upon the synthroid,
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Speaker 8: it will increase your heart rate. If you're absent, you
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Speaker 8: can have excessive sweating. It really makes you feel miserable
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Speaker 8: if you're not taking it, as Lauren had mentioned just
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Speaker 8: a moment ago. But let's get back to the gunshot wound.
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Speaker 8: They're saying that they conducted that the new Mexico State
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Speaker 8: Medical Examiner's Office actually did a CT of the skull
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Speaker 8: and they did not find a projectile contained therein. I
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Speaker 8: think my biggest question relative to a self inflicted gunshot
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Speaker 8: wound is is it a through and through wound, which
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Speaker 8: means you have an entrance and an exit To this point,
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Speaker 8: I haven't seen information about that. However, CT's are very
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Speaker 8: very sensitive, so most of the time you will get
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Speaker 8: some type of shearing off of the projectile itself, and
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Speaker 8: we call it a lead storm. There would be fragmented
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Speaker 8: bits that probably couldn't be seen with the unaided human eye,
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Speaker 8: but you could pick up on them on CT. So
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Speaker 8: is this a through and through wound or is it
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Speaker 8: a single defect in the skull? That's one of the
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Speaker 8: big questions. And if so, why are there no metal
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Speaker 8: fragments in the skull.
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Speaker 1: Let me see that picture one more time of her
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Speaker 1: walking along the bridge. This is the last known photo
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Speaker 1: of Melissa Cassius, the last, the final image of her alive.
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Speaker 1: It's from a surveillance camera in your state, Road five
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Speaker 1: one eight in New Mexico. This is three miles from
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Speaker 1: her home. That's something to ponder as well. Typically in
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Speaker 1: self inflicted mortal wounds, the person doesn't go for a
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Speaker 1: hike first. They are within the vicinity of their work,
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Speaker 1: their home, or their hotel room. Also, look at this
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Speaker 1: John Nance joining us, former supervisory special agent with the FBI.
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Speaker 1: He was assigned to Miami and DC, as I recalled
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Speaker 1: over twenty years. You can find him at townhall dot
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Speaker 1: com slash columnist slash John Nance na ntz. But what
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Speaker 1: I want to emphasize is supervisory special agent FBI. If
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Speaker 1: he managed to survive in Miami, which is crawling with crime,
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Speaker 1: it's like roaches and DC, which I think I'd take
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Speaker 1: Miami over DC with the politicians that said you survived, Nance.
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Speaker 1: Everything about this is wrong. What did she have in
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Speaker 1: the backpack? Look at the picture, John Nance? Why is
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Speaker 1: she going to her own self inflicted gunshot wound with
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Speaker 1: a backpack full of stuff including thyroid medicine and her toothbrush.
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Speaker 1: It's bs nance.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, none of this makes sense. It just doesn't add up.
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Speaker 2: I mean, why would you bring equipment, you know, as
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Speaker 2: presumably a backpack full of items that you would need
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Speaker 2: maybe to stay out in the out in the open
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Speaker 2: over an extended period of time. The thyroid medication, the toothbrush.
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Speaker 2: None of that points to self inflicted gunshot wound. In fact,
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Speaker 2: your previous guest was talking about CT scan, the the
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Speaker 2: bullet fragments that would most likely be present in the skull.
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Speaker 2: What would be really interesting to know is the caliber
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Speaker 2: of the pistol that was found near her. A small
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Speaker 2: caliber weapon like a twenty two would not be indicative
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Speaker 2: of a self inflicted gunshot wound. That would be highly
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Speaker 2: unusual and that would point actually more toward a homicide.
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Speaker 2: If it were a larger caliber pistol, like maybe a
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Speaker 2: nine millimeter or something of that nature, then you would
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Speaker 2: expect a through and through gunshot wound with a larger
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Speaker 2: caliber weapon like that. And the reporting regarding the state
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Speaker 2: of her body is also very confusing. I saw some
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Speaker 2: reporting discussing skull fragments and reconstructing her skull, but then
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Speaker 2: we have evidence of a CT scan, which would indicate
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Speaker 2: maybe a more complete skull, or perhaps tissue still remaining
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Speaker 2: inside the skull. So there are a lot of unanswered questions.
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Speaker 2: What does seem to me to be very very likely
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Speaker 2: is number one, she erased or factory reset her phones,
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Speaker 2: which would indicate that she intended to leave her life
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Speaker 2: behind for whatever reason, and her bringing a toothbrush her
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Speaker 2: thyroid medications indicate that she intended to continue to live.
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Speaker 2: So I think that the likelihood of some sort of
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Speaker 2: foul play outside of a quote unquote self inflicted gunshot
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Speaker 2: wound is very very high. And I've also seen reporting
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Speaker 2: that is discounting her position as an administrative assistant at
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Speaker 2: Los Alamos, which I think is erroneous because I spent
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Speaker 2: the first part of my career in Miami as a
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Speaker 2: counterintelligence agent, and I can tell you from my experience
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Speaker 2: that administrative assistance secretaries, people in those kinds of positions
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Speaker 2: are often targeted by foreign intelligence services because they do
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Speaker 2: have access to classified information. And you have to also
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Speaker 2: remember that people in these positions can be developed to
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Speaker 2: obtain higher positions and higher accesses. So I wouldn't discount
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Speaker 2: the possibility of foreign adversary action in this particular case.
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Speaker 1: Interesting you bring that up, John Nance, former Supervisory special
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Speaker 1: Agent FBI, because I noticed the last time we talked
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Speaker 1: on air, many people were minimizing her position. That's entirely untrue.
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Speaker 1: Access to everything that was passing through her computer, passing
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Speaker 1: through her hands, every document, you name it. And you
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Speaker 1: stated that very often people are quote developed to go
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Speaker 1: higher and higher and higher within an organization. What did
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Speaker 1: you mean by that, Well.
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Speaker 2: There's a recruiting process as part of an intelligence operation,
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Speaker 2: spotting assessment, those are components of the recruiting process. And
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Speaker 2: once you have an individual who who is willing to
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Speaker 2: participate in passing often initially it's very innocuous information. That's
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Speaker 2: how you begin to develop an individual in terms of
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Speaker 2: an intelligence asset. So you can have an individual who
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Speaker 2: starts off passing relatively innocuous information and you continue to develop,
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Speaker 2: meaning you could even bring in a directory information or
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Speaker 2: you know, more commonly known as blackmail type of information
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Speaker 2: to force an individual to provide classified information that they
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Speaker 2: normally wouldn't and that can go on for decades, and
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Speaker 2: a person in her position could be encouraged to seek
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Speaker 2: higher accesses and that that happens, you know, as a
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Speaker 2: matter of course, when you're developing and utilizing.
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Speaker 1: Intelligence asset, you know an issue that springs to mind.
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Speaker 1: John Nan says, very often people think of spies, and
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Speaker 1: you know what, let me go to Frank Milburn on
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Speaker 1: this and I'll follow up with you. John. Frank Milburn
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Speaker 1: is joining us former British intelligence officer who you Amy Eskridge,
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Speaker 1: very very well. He does not believe her injury was
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Speaker 1: self inflicted. So now you've got molistic CEUs, you have
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Speaker 1: Amy Escridge, you have Sully who was this close to
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Speaker 1: testifying in front of Congress on sensitive matters and he
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Speaker 1: dies of an od on bedwedding meds for children in
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Speaker 1: a hotel room far from home Sydney and Lauren. We
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Speaker 1: also have another related scientist dead at the bottom of
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Speaker 1: a lake, ostensibly self inflicted. I need to dig up
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Speaker 1: his name. But Frank Milburn, in your capacity, is a
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Speaker 1: British intelligence officer. Very often spies. I'm not saying Molistic
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Speaker 1: Ceous was a spy. Was she approached to pass off information?
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but very often so called spies are clerks, secretaries,
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Speaker 1: delivery people that have access to information. It's not every
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Speaker 1: spy is not James bond, they're an attache, they work
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Speaker 1: in an embassy, they work in an office, they work
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Speaker 1: in a lab. Explain whose spies really are?
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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I mean in this case, I mean, if
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Speaker 9: you had like an administrative assistant, and you're going to
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Speaker 9: think you know anybody who's working office from mirth. You
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Speaker 9: have the secretary administrative assistant, They've got all the partner's diaries,
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Speaker 9: that the principles diaries. They know who's going to meet who, when,
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Speaker 9: who's having lunch with who. All of this is absolute
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Speaker 9: sort of goal to a foreign adversary intelligence officer if
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Speaker 9: you're trying to do that, because these people literally have
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Speaker 9: their fingers on where people are, where they work, where
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Speaker 9: they're going, who they're meeting with, and also you know
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Speaker 9: potentially what programs they're working on as well. So as
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Speaker 9: John said that, you know that that can be also
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Speaker 9: they can be developed further. But I mean, as an
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Speaker 9: administer of assistant and you're going to have your figure
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Speaker 9: literally in everybody's business who's working in that particular location.
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Speaker 1: Frank as I said, very often as many as general public,
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Speaker 1: including myself called him. Spies are lower level administrators. They
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Speaker 1: can even beat delivery people. But they have access to
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Speaker 1: knowledge like Melissa ca see is what did she have?
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Speaker 1: What did she have access to? What did she know? Now?
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Speaker 1: Self inflicted? There's no bullet. Her body is propped up
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Speaker 1: against a tree like a Halloween prop. She's gone somewhere
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Speaker 1: as if she's going on a trip with a heavy backpack.
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Speaker 1: You can see it. Let's see it again. It's hanging
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Speaker 1: down on her back like it's full full of what
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Speaker 1: I know her thyroid medicine and toothbrush. Where's she going?
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Speaker 1: Why is your backpack full? This must be reminiscent to you,
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Speaker 1: especially Frank of your friend Amy Escridge.
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Speaker 1: It's all her amy scritch. You heard her. She is
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Speaker 1: not crazy. And shortly before her death, she insisted to Milburn,
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Speaker 1: if I'm found dead, I did not commit suicide. Now
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Speaker 1: fast forward to Melissa to see us, and I thought
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Speaker 1: of who the individual was I was trying. It was
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Speaker 1: on the tip of my tongue. Is Jason Thomas to
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin. Isn't it Jason Thomas who was found at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of a lake.
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Speaker 7: Yes, Jason Thomas was bound at the bottom of a
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Speaker 7: lake in Massachusetts, but he also worked for Novartis Nancy
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Speaker 7: he didn't exactly have government eyes. But Nancy, if I
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Speaker 7: could add just a few things about Melissa Cassias that
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Speaker 7: don't really add up with the day that she went missing.
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Speaker 7: I spoke to someone who actually worked at Los Alamos
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Speaker 7: and they told me that if you quote forget your badge,
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Speaker 7: which Melissa said she did. And keep in mind she
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Speaker 7: lived over an hour away from Los Alamos National Lab.
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Speaker 7: So when she drove herself and her husband Mark to
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Speaker 7: work that day and she forgot her badge, this employee
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Speaker 7: told me, all you have to do is go to security,
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Speaker 7: show your ID, and get a temporary badge.
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Speaker 1: For the day.
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Speaker 7: But Melissa here chose to drive all the way back
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Speaker 7: to Taos County. That doesn't add up.
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Speaker 1: And she say that she couldn't get in because she
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Speaker 1: didn't have a badge, But she did get in. She
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Speaker 1: badged herself in because the driver of the car I've
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Speaker 1: been told has to show their badge. She was driving
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Speaker 1: her husband. She comes all the way back to get
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Speaker 1: her a badge after she just badged in, then decided
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Speaker 1: to work from home. None of it adds up. The
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Speaker 1: Middlesex District Attorney's Office says the body of who they
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Speaker 1: believe to be Jason Thomas now has been identified, was
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Speaker 1: pulled from the Lake Quanta Powat. He was ideed based
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Speaker 1: on his clothing. He likes so many others like McCaslin,
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Speaker 1: like Cassius, walked away from his home and ends up dead.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, John Nance, We keep referring to
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Speaker 1: Sully Sullivan, he died within hours of speaking to authorities about.
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Speaker 2: What well about testifying before Congress on the UAP subject matter. So,
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Speaker 2: and that that relates directly to McCaslin because he was
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Speaker 2: responsible for I think eighty percent of the Defense Departments
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Speaker 2: U S a P programs, which are special access programs
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Speaker 2: in which a lot of this U A P U
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Speaker 2: technology and UH discussion is held within these programs. So
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Speaker 2: it's very very interesting. And also McCaslin was on the
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Speaker 2: short list for congressional testimony with regard to the same
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Speaker 2: subject to to the U A P subject matter. So
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Speaker 2: there is this this strange nexus between this topic which
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Speaker 2: which directly, you know, despite what you may think or
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Speaker 2: believe about U A P, whether they're you know, you know,
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Speaker 2: from from another dimension or another planet. UH, this does
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Speaker 2: this does directly inate UH government transparency issue. So it's
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Speaker 2: a very serious topic, regardless of what your position is
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Speaker 2: on what exactly UA are. But this, this nexus with
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Speaker 2: McCaslin and others is very, very disturbing, and it also
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Speaker 2: implicates nationals.
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Speaker 1: So I want to give you another fact, John, regarding
25:28
Speaker 1: Jason Thomas, he like others, leaves behind his phone and
25:33
Speaker 1: his wallet on the bathroom counter. His wife heard him
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Speaker 1: go to the mailbox that night. She heard the mailbox
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Speaker 1: open and close. Guess what he put in there. His
25:45
Speaker 1: Apple Watch, just like McCaslin, Just like Cassias. He was
25:53
Speaker 1: later caught on camera walking near a set of train
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Speaker 1: tracks on North and Chestnut, just like the others. But
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Speaker 1: I want to get us back on track. Regarding the
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Speaker 1: death of Melissa Cassius. I want you to hear something
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Speaker 1: significant that the husband says in his nine to one
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Speaker 1: one call.
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Speaker 6: And as you said it, she took with her phone.
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Speaker 6: She didn't take nothing seeing her phone and everything's here,
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Speaker 6: and she always takes her stuff with her. My daughter
26:28
Speaker 6: was trying to attract her location and they always track
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Speaker 6: each other, but her, but her phone's wipe. The thing
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Speaker 6: is what we give and she would never have wiped
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Speaker 6: all the pictures off and all the information off of
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Speaker 6: her pope.
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Speaker 1: That's one of my biggest treasures, the thousands of pictures
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Speaker 1: I have on my phone, and she wiped them all.
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Speaker 1: Visited her daughter at work and took her lunch. Then
26:53
Speaker 1: takes off with a backpack including toothbrush and thyroid medicine.
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Speaker 1: But the phone was white, just like Thomas, just like
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Speaker 1: mccason and the others. Leaves her phone and everything behind.
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Speaker 1: Back to Joe Scott Morgan joining as Professor Forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University and star off body bags with Joe Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about how long Melissa's
27:21
Speaker 1: body has been at the Medical Examiner's office. It's a month.
27:26
Speaker 1: A month. We know they did a cat skin, we
27:29
Speaker 1: know there is a quote fracture to the skull. Why
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Speaker 1: don't we have a COEOD cause of death.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, given the fact that she's in an
27:41
Speaker 8: advanced state of decomposition, sometimes they wait, and just because
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Speaker 8: the medical examiner is not saying anything doesn't necessarily mean
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Speaker 8: that they don't want to. Because many times, particularly in
27:58
Speaker 8: a case like this that's so high profile, Nancy, the authorities,
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Speaker 8: the investigative authorities, as far as law enforcement goes, are
28:06
Speaker 8: still working the case, and they're doing things behind the
28:08
Speaker 8: scene that we can't fully be aware of, and so
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Speaker 8: they're waiting for that data. Theme is potentially waiting for
28:14
Speaker 8: that data to come in so that they can formulate
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Speaker 8: what they want to list as the COEOD and also
28:21
Speaker 8: the classification of the manner. All that stuff feeds into
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Speaker 8: one another, and then they'll retain those remains as long
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Speaker 8: as they need to. I've seen cases like this go
28:32
Speaker 8: on for a protracted period of time, and they might
28:36
Speaker 8: be bringing other people in to do consults as well,
28:39
Speaker 8: which is something that you have to keep in mind.
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Speaker 8: The medical examiner for the state, which they have a
28:45
Speaker 8: state medical examiner, they don't have corners in New Mexico,
28:49
Speaker 8: is very highly regarded. They have huge staff relative to
28:54
Speaker 8: forensic pathologists, but not just forensic pathologists. They have at
28:59
Speaker 8: their dispose usual forensic anthropologists that would have played a
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Speaker 8: key in here. One of my real problems with this,
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Speaker 8: Nancy is a lack of recovery of this alleged round.
29:11
Speaker 8: And I want to know how well that scene was processed,
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Speaker 8: because it's very standard practice nowadays. It used to be
29:18
Speaker 8: one of these things that you didn't think about. It's
29:21
Speaker 8: very standard practice now for crime scene units to all
29:24
Speaker 8: have metal detectors. How well did they process that area
29:28
Speaker 8: looking looking for this round that's missing, and working the
29:34
Speaker 8: area very very thoroughly, And I don't you know. Look,
29:37
Speaker 8: it's one thing to bring crime scene investigators out there,
29:39
Speaker 8: God bless them, you know, whole nine yards. However, I
29:43
Speaker 8: would prefer to have a forensic anthropologist out on the scene,
29:47
Speaker 8: working the scene grid by grid, square meter by square meter,
29:52
Speaker 8: and covering this area to recover any kind of valuable
29:55
Speaker 8: evidence that might be out there.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining US investigative reporter with LA magazine and
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Speaker 1: star of Pop Crime TV. Lauren, I want to talk
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Speaker 1: to you about the area, the search of the area
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Speaker 1: where Melissa's body's found, and I also want to talk
30:13
Speaker 1: to you about PO boxes. When I was prosecuting felonies
30:20
Speaker 1: and I found out somebody had a PO box or
30:22
Speaker 1: multiple PO boxes as well as a home address and
30:25
Speaker 1: a work address, I'm like, why why do they need
30:27
Speaker 1: a PO box? Many times it's completely innocent, but many
30:32
Speaker 1: times it's not. So take it on.
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Speaker 7: Yes, Well, I'll start with the the area Melissa was
30:38
Speaker 7: found in Carson National Forest, Nancy. I just want to
30:41
Speaker 7: put it in perspective for people. This area is one
30:45
Speaker 7: point five million acres. I mean, I think that's like
30:49
Speaker 7: three times the state of Rhode Island. So this is
30:52
Speaker 7: not this is not a small area. And the family
30:56
Speaker 7: had previously put out on Facebook that they had already
31:00
Speaker 7: searched it, and I'm sure they did. They you know,
31:03
Speaker 7: they were searching for her extensively. However, I spoke to
31:07
Speaker 7: the New Mexico State Police and they confirmed that their
31:10
Speaker 7: official search and rescue agency had not searched this area. Additionally,
31:15
Speaker 7: I've seen comments of people saying, you know, it's not Melissa,
31:19
Speaker 7: it can't be her. Well, the police confirmed that they
31:22
Speaker 7: did identify her body through dental records, so it is
31:25
Speaker 7: most definitely her. And additionally, what you had said about
31:30
Speaker 7: the po boxes, I was investigating this the other day
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Speaker 7: and I noticed that Melissa had several attached to her name,
31:37
Speaker 7: and I couldn't figure out why I did match one
31:41
Speaker 7: to a potential business. But it's odd. It's generally if
31:45
Speaker 7: you don't want mail sent to your home, so I
31:48
Speaker 7: don't have answers for that just yet.
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Speaker 11: Well, I find very curious about Melissa is if you
31:53
Speaker 11: take these two things together, one she leaves her house
31:56
Speaker 11: with the toothbrush, with a medication, and with okay, which
32:01
Speaker 11: looks full from what I can see from the blurry photograph.
32:04
Speaker 11: So those odd things we know that you're going to
32:06
Speaker 11: take if you want to.
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Speaker 9: End your existence.
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Speaker 11: And then at the other end of that we find
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Speaker 11: her body, and it looks like a very very sloppy
32:19
Speaker 11: kind of end of your life scene.
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Speaker 2: How you would stage if you.
32:24
Speaker 11: Wanted to show that somebody had ended their own life,
32:26
Speaker 11: that would seem to be a very very sloppy way
32:28
Speaker 11: to do it. So if you put those two things together,
32:30
Speaker 11: leaving home with all those things that you wouldn't take
32:33
Speaker 11: with you, and then the very very sloppy scene at
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Speaker 11: the end, I find I just don't understand how that
32:38
Speaker 11: came about or who would have.
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Speaker 2: Thought that up.
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Speaker 1: Another issue that has emerged is her own daughter, Sierra, stating,
32:48
Speaker 1: contrary to Mini reports, her mother did not carry a weapon,
32:55
Speaker 1: specifically in Mini accounts, described as a Glock subcompact nine millimeter.
33:01
Speaker 1: She did not have a weapon, she had never purchased
33:05
Speaker 1: a weapon, and did not have a license for a weapon.
33:09
Speaker 1: So where is all of this false information coming from
33:14
Speaker 1: who's putting it out there? Back to John Nance joining
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Speaker 1: US former supervisory special agent with the FBI, who would
33:22
Speaker 1: be putting out disinformation trying desperately to make her death
33:28
Speaker 1: look like it's self inflicted.
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Speaker 2: Who, Well, a disinformation campaign like that, you would ordinarily
33:36
Speaker 2: think of maybe a larger entity, like a corporation or
33:41
Speaker 2: maybe even a you know, a government entity, not necessarily ours.
33:45
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's you know, a US government entity
33:49
Speaker 2: that would be doing that. I mean, you have foreign
33:51
Speaker 2: actors that plant misinformation in our media all the time,
33:56
Speaker 2: so that that's the potential. I'm very interested. You mentioned
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Speaker 2: that it's a subcompact nine millimeter, so to me, that
34:05
Speaker 2: would indicate that if this was a self inflicted gunshot wound,
34:10
Speaker 2: then it would be it would be a through and
34:11
Speaker 2: through wound. So I don't I don't see how what
34:16
Speaker 2: we're hearing aligns with this, this narrative, this self inflicted
34:21
Speaker 2: gunshot wound narrative. And also to Frank's point about the
34:25
Speaker 2: position of the body, that is to me that points
34:28
Speaker 2: to maybe this occurred elsewhere and the body was placed
34:33
Speaker 2: there after Cassius's death. That's that's what that would indicate.
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Speaker 1: To me, Well, I'm going to circle back with Joe
34:43
Speaker 1: Scott regarding the nine millimeter possibility and what that means
34:47
Speaker 1: as to you know, probably what does it prove if
34:49
Speaker 1: it was a nine block? Would I find the bullet?
34:53
Speaker 1: Would I find a shellcasing? For Pete's sake, That's a
34:57
Speaker 1: whole other can of worms. Where's the shellcasing? Hold that thought?
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott to Sydney Silvanni joining US Investigative Report of
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Speaker 1: crime stories. There's also been a campaign of misinformation regarding
35:10
Speaker 1: her husband, to the point the husband has filed a
35:13
Speaker 1: tro people keep putting out there. Someone is putting out
35:17
Speaker 1: there that they had all these marital problems and that
35:21
Speaker 1: they had a financial situation that was about to blow up.
35:25
Speaker 1: The daughter has blasted that narrative regarding marital trouble, regarding
35:31
Speaker 1: money issues before she goes missing. And I really wonder, Sydney,
35:35
Speaker 1: if that narrative is being pushed out there to support
35:39
Speaker 1: a false claim of self inflicted Right.
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Speaker 5: Well, it's very very clear that Mark Casias had.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing to do with this. He was at work
35:51
Speaker 1: all day.
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Speaker 12: He got a ride there from his wife, and he
35:54
Speaker 12: got a ride home from his coworker. And Melissa was
35:57
Speaker 12: gone before any of that occurred, and he stands by
36:01
Speaker 12: the fact that their marriage was tight. It was great,
36:04
Speaker 12: they were in a good place.
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Speaker 1: So all of this is.
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Speaker 5: Just generating noise around this investigation. It's people pointing the
36:13
Speaker 5: finger at other places to distract from the discrepancies that
36:17
Speaker 5: we are seeing. It's highly improbable that Melissa Cassius packed
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Speaker 5: a bag of just a toothbrush and three months worth
36:27
Speaker 5: of medication to turn around and.
36:30
Speaker 1: Take herself out of this world.
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Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense, and that's what we need
36:35
Speaker 5: to be focused on.
36:37
Speaker 1: Lauren Comin is joining us if SKA Reporter LA magazine,
36:40
Speaker 1: a start of Pop Crime TV. The husband has been
36:43
Speaker 1: so harassed about this he's had to get a troo.
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Speaker 7: Yes, he was just granted one last week. And actually
36:52
Speaker 7: the private investigator did not even show up to this
36:55
Speaker 7: virtual hearing, so it's temporary. It will last until September
36:59
Speaker 7: of twenty twenty six, and it doesn't bar the private investigator,
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Speaker 7: who by the way, is working with Melissa's parents and
37:07
Speaker 7: her nieces and another part of her her family. Unfortunately
37:11
Speaker 7: they're at odds about this, but it doesn't bar him
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Speaker 7: from talking about the case. It just bars him from
37:17
Speaker 7: pointing fingers and harassing Mark online.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything, even if
37:23
Speaker 1: you consider it to be insignificant regarding the missing and
37:28
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Speaker 1: eight hundred two two five five three two four two
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Speaker 1: two five five three two four. Tonight we remember an
37:43
Speaker 1: American hero, Corporal Scott Wheeler, Howard County, PD, Maryland, just
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Speaker 1: thirty one, leaving behind his grieving wife now widow, Tracy.
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Speaker 1: American hero Corporal Scott Wheeler. Thank you to our guest,
37:59
Speaker 1: but especially for being with us tonight. Nancy Gray is
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Speaker 1: signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friend
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