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August 10, 2026 | The Jon Justice Show · The Jon Justice Show: Presented by Center of the American Experiment

• 0:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment and American Experiment.org.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_04: And welcome to the Monday edition of the show.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_04: Remember, you can listen live at American Experiment.org.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_04: Also on the Mix LR app, where you can get caught up on the podcast and you can watch the show at MN Think Tank on X, also on Facebook and YouTube at the center of the American Experiment pages.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_04: My name is, of course, John Justice, and joining me is uh producer Devin uh this morning.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: Good morning, Devin.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_04: How was your weekend?
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: It was very good.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_04: How was your weekend?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_04: I was very busy.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: I was here quite a bit.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_04: I was here on Saturday and Sunday for a very good reason.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_04: So continuing uh to uh work out uh the bugs in the system.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm pleased to say that I believe that we have.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_04: So um totally worth it.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it was a great weekend.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: Great weekend.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: My drivers didn't do very well in the NASCAR race yesterday.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: That's okay.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_04: I don't let it upset me.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_04: Excited for this week and the primary coming up on uh Tuesday, and a lot of guests uh this morning regarding uh the uh primary.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: We'll get to that in in just uh just a moment.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: So yesterday I am I'm doing prep for the show.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_04: I'm on Facebook uh and I'm just kind of perusing things, and I came across a post from a former program director back when I was working in music radio uh at X103.9 KCXX in Riverside San Bernardino, California.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, this former program director, Kelly Kluquet, had uh she'd bounced around a bit, but had eventually landed at a competitive at the time when I was working there.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um 1996, 97, 98.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_04: This was one of the first places that I worked in my radio career.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, she was working for the crosstown relatively short drive, but um rock station called K Cal.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: K Cal's been there forever.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_04: It's been a staple in the inland empire.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_04: That's the region that they that they call it for uh for decades.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_04: Uh KCXX has long since gone away.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's funny, all these radio stations I used to work at that no longer exist anymore.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_04: This station, though, had been uh, you know, had been still doing its thing all these years uh later on.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_04: And I have a few friends that work there, not only the former program director, but another uh radio host, John DeSantis, who worked there, and uh several other people just from my time working for the Alternative Rock Station, because we all worked at that station as well.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_04: The reason I bring it up is because her post was talking about how um she was saying goodbye to everybody.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, I wonder if she's leaving the industry.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, no, she's not leaving the industry.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, that radio station, some 40 some odd years it'd been there, they unceremoniously fired their entire staff and have now gone fully automated.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_04: I just I wasn't surprised, but still my eyes just went wide going, oh my gosh.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, this is where things are heading.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_04: It it um reminded me how incredibly uh grateful and blessed that I am uh that I have uh this job, and how you know I feel like this is the future of where things are are going relating to terrestrial radio, and that's another uh that's another example.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_04: It's gonna be a slow turnover for terrestrial radio.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um I still believe that there are formats, uh, especially when it comes to sports, that are that are viable and are going to remain uh viable for a while.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_04: But, you know, the clusters surrounding those particular shows are going to shrink smaller and smaller and smaller.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_04: And again, it reminded me why I was, you know, very it was like the best thing that could have happened to me.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_04: If you listened to the launch show uh for for this show here at Center of the American Experiment, I told the story in uh in detail of what had happened to me over the previous employer and how it really ended up being a blessing in disguise in a very short period of time.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_04: And this story that I saw yesterday was certainly a reminder of that.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's just wild to me.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_04: I never imagined that I would be involved in an industry and be doing the job within that industry for as long as I as long as I am to see this type of wholesale change take place.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know, the good news is though, is that I I I hope other people and other hosts who want to continue to do what it is that they're doing are able to go and branch out and take advantage of the emerging technologies and how people are going and consuming their news through different through different outlets.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's not an easy thing of what we pulled off here.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_04: We've talked about that a lot, but if it were easy, everybody would be doing it.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I still firmly believe in that story that I saw yesterday of this again, this was a famous just outside of Los Angeles, but in that region, this was a massive radio station.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_04: And I don't know how they end up surviving being fully automated like this uh moving moving forward.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_24: John, I was just wondering, are they really gonna be able to go moderated or automated?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_24: Because people like me won't listen to it.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_24: And if there's no listening base, what value is there to an automated radio spacer?
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_24: Just thinking it probably won't work, at least in my opinion.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know what the model's gonna be for this.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_04: I I really don't.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, essentially, you are providing a random playlist on a terrestrial radio stream with no ability to go and connect with the audience at all because you have no live hosts.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_04: My guess is that this is a precursor to a move in the future, wherein a lot of these companies are gonna spin off and sell off their terrestrial radio signals and and and just maybe maybe I need to spend a post-show talking about this so I don't wipe out too hard on a Monday, a Monday morning.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: Because I do want to take what I'm talking about now and apply it to what's going on uh today, because I do have a reason why I'm bringing this up uh this morning.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: But my guess is you're going to see this cycle take place.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna see a lot of these large corporations.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's rumors of my former employer being bought out by a major uh satellite company like Sirius XM and the potential of them going and dumping all of the subscriber content onto the terrestrial radio signals simply to go and advertise the subscription service that they already offer.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I think on a long enough timeline, what you'll see is a lot of these terrestrial signals, they'll end up going back to how it used to be.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think eventually what you'll see is you'll see a desire to use these signals at the local level and smaller groups catering to smaller communities with these signals, wherein, you know, corporate, you know, corporations have obviously come in, gobbled up a lot of these signals.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_04: They've gone and they've branched out and they've done voice tracking across the country and syndication.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: But as we see this train, this changeover of terrestrial radio, my guess is they'll probably be dumping grounds for product that aren't going to make a lot of money.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_04: And then on a long enough timeline, those signals will be sold off to other companies that'll bring back truly local radio.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: But in the interim, you're gonna see this change.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, this is just the beginning, in my opinion.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: And like I said, why I feel so blessed to be doing uh this job.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_04: And the good news is you're already seeing, like within talk radio and the political sphere, you know, those candidates running for uh office, you know, are immediately identifying the places that they need to go to let their voices be heard, especially ahead of tomorrow and primary day here in Minnesota.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_04: And to that point, we do have Andrew Langer, the president of the uh Institute for Liberty.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_04: He'll, of course, be uh joining us coming up just after 6:30 uh this morning.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna talk a lot about the Democrat Socialists of America, the continued takeover of the Democrat Party, audio from over the weekend from prominent members of the Democrat Party embracing these Democrat uh socialists.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh in the 7 o'clock hour, lawyer extraordinaire will make his first appearance on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, he was a staple on my previous show.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Jeff O'Brien will be joining us as uh Lamy Klobuchar attempts to take claim for a change in the hemp uh restrictions and rules at the federal level that would have been devastating to businesses here in Minnesota.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, Jeff O'Brien's gonna join us to talk about how um uh Amy really shouldn't try, shouldn't be trying to take credit for any of this because she really didn't have anything to do with it.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_04: Then after that, we have gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damath.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: She'll be on the couch here in the American Experiment Studios.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_04: That'll be at uh 7:30.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_04: Coming up at uh 8 o'clock, a Senate candidate Michelle Tefoya will take over after the seat was warmed by Lisa Damath on the couch here at the Center of the American Experiment uh Studios.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh also uh coming up at 8.30 this morning, candidate for the Hennepin County Attorney's uh office, uh Diane Krentz will also be joining us on the couch here this morning.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_04: So it is a packed show for a Monday ahead of tomorrow's primary.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, throughout the entirety of today's show, if you want to email me, John.adjustice at AmericanExperiment.org, or you can leave us a blast on the blaster line, 612-584-4565.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_04: That's the number if you want to leave a comment for any point throughout the show this morning.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_17: Hey John, good morning.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_17: So I don't know if today you're looking to do predictions.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_17: That would be fun, but if you wanted to only talk about the Democrats, because you don't want to put your thumb on the scale.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_17: Um today on the news for the first time.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_17: I heard Andy Craig was ahead of Peggy's plan again, which I don't necessarily consider good news.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_17: And I'm hoping to still feel it.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_17: Uh I definitely think Peggy is the one we want to run again.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_17: So just curious.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, I would tend to agree with that assessment.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: I also saw that uh same uh polling.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um in terms of predictions, I don't know if I want to do any predictions or not.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Is it worth it for me to do predictions?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_04: Does it matter if I do predictions?
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_04: The problem with doing predictions is that, you know, there's a chance you could be wrong.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_04: I don't come off as smart as I'd like to, as I'd like to think.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_04: Honestly, right now the races are all so close, apart from the Senate race.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think Michelle Tefoya is on the Republican side.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think Michelle Tefoya is in a pretty good position.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_04: That prediction I feel fairly confident in.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_04: But everything else, dude, I really don't know.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_04: It all depends on turnout.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_04: We had the conversation on Friday with the Freedom Friday crew, and uh A.K.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_04: Kamara laid out, you know, really succinctly uh the scenario in terms of voter turnout, what kind of impact that's going to have on these potential races.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_04: And so, really, without knowing what the voter turnout is going to be, uh, it's really difficult to sort of weigh in on, you know, who exactly is going to pull off the nomination for the, you know, the gubernatorial race on the GOP side, foregone conclusion of Lamy Klobichar, obviously.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: And certainly um the uh the Senate race for for Democrats.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go back to the blaster line this morning here on the John Justice Show.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_26: Good morning, John.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_26: Um, if you are interviewing any governors, I was wondering if you would ask them what they think about the next council or what they're gonna do about it.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_26: They're an awfully strong organization without being voted in.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_26: Thank you for today.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know what, Lori?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm uh I'm writing that down right now.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_04: If you're watching at uh MN Think Tank uh on uh X or on Facebook or YouTube, you can actually uh see me uh doing that right now.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: So when uh Lisa Damoth joins us coming up at uh 7 30 this morning, I will absolutely uh ask her that question.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: I'm curious as well.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh we haven't talked about the Met Council a lot, even though uh the Met Clouncil has been a topic of discussion in years past.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's they've kind of flown under the radar, mostly because they haven't done anything really stupid as of late.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um that being said, they're sort of always in a constant state of stupidity.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: So maybe I shouldn't use that as a as an excuse.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: Um before we take a quick break and get you up to speed on some commentary that you might have missed from Center of the American Experiment, I want to share this from over the weekend.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Uh a lot of individuals, myself included, have uh called into question Joe Biden and his cancer diagnosis going back to the presidential uh campaign and the fact that we hadn't heard about it ever since it was originally uh brought up.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: Well, President Joe Biden's uh prostate cancer has apparently, at least according to Hunter Biden, metastasized into his bones and even further.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um Hunter Biden shared the news in an interview on the BBC Friday um saying the cancer has spread and it's gone to his bones and further.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's very painful, it's very deliber uh debilitating in many respects.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um Biden said, uh Hunter said the diagnosis has been hard on his family.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_04: It's really sad to watch, he continued.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, the only thing that I'd say about my dad, about his health right now is I wish he would complain more because it's not good.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Hunter Biden said his father remains out there speaking publicly about the issues that are important uh to him.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_04: He's still doing his thing.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_04: He still believes uh in this country.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_04: Uh look, despite your opinions of Joe Biden, I certainly have my own.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_04: Um I pray for him and his health.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's, you know, to see anybody have to go through that, I don't care who they are.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it it's it's tragic.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_04: I, you know, I don't wish I don't wish uh cancer upon anybody, regardless of political affiliation.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um from a more political standpoint, I do find it interesting going back to Kamala Harris taking over um during that uh election, uh, after that disastrous uh June 27th, 2024 uh debate.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_04: But one of the things that as I was doing my notes this morning reading up about Biden's uh cancer spreading, I was just thinking in my head, you know, well, what if, you know, the the the what ifs if Kamala wasn't replaced, if Biden did run against Trump and if Biden were to have won and he were dealing with this now, uh, all of it uh underscores what so many of us had already thought that Joe Biden shouldn't have ran the last time.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_04: He wasn't in the right uh mental or physical health when he was running, when he ran and campaigned and won, doing that thing with my fingers against Trump the first time.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_04: And the reason for pitching him off and bringing Kamala on was certainly the ramifications of that debate, but ultimately it was his health.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_04: That finally the rest of America woke up to what everybody else had already seen of Joe Biden.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: So that being said, um, I wish for Joe Biden's health that he would stop going out and and doing things.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think, you know, not that I want to help the Democrat Party, but I don't think he's necessarily helping the Democrat Party.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think he's really necessarily helping anybody.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: And at this point, based off of his diagnosis, he probably would be better served writing, again with my fingers, his book and uh enjoying the time that he has left with his friends and uh family.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Ahead of my conversation with Andrew Langer, the president of the Institute for Liberty, uh, Sophie Cunningham got smacked during a WMBA game over the weekend.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_04: Devin, did you see the did you see the footage on this?
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't believe I did.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'd be curious to get if you have a chance and you can watch it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_04: She just got clobbered.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_04: Uh the only argument that I have with with regard to what happened is this type of physical contact within the the WMBA, you know, it's pretty common.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, it it's hard because you see Sophie Cunningham and all the controversies surrounding her within the league, and then she gets nailed the way that she did, and you want to go and chalk it up to being, you know, targeted.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_04: Well, at the same time, you know, the women in the WMBA are they're jumping all over each other all the all the time.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: We'll give you the latest, though, because despite whether or not it was intentional or not, uh, the commentary surrounding the aftermath of this physical contact during the game is absolutely ridiculous.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, on the heels of that, former NBA players, including Senate candidate Royce White, of which I have some thoughts on, are testing the WMBA's policies by declaring for the women's 2027 draft, which apparently has caused the WMBA to go into emergency mode.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: They are supposed to be going behind closed doors to have a meeting on exactly what a woman is.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: I can't believe that we're even debating this issue, but nevertheless, here we are.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: All right, reach out to the show 612-584-4565.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: Leave us a blast.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_04: We'll share those comments coming up, and you can email me uh john.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_23: Now that school's out for the summer, how are Minnesota students doing?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_23: Not very well.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in ten years.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_23: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota's students can either read or do math at grade level.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_23: We used to brag about our schools.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_23: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_23: Visit AmericanExperiment.org for more information.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_02: There is certainly a culture at the City Council and at the mayor's office, again, over the last 10 years, that has just not been willing to hire police officers.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: And we have seen rhetoric and action that has very much been about defunding the police.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: We filed a petition called a Ret of Commandamus, which is basic basically a Latin word for we command, uh where we're asking the court to hold the mayor to his duty and hire those police officers.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: And we have tried to detail in our court papers the real world effect this has on people, including our brave clients who've come forward and put their name on court papers and who've experienced everything from bullet holes in their houses to family members who've been struck by a vehicle and in a hit and run never solved to personal vandalism at their homes and property where they've had property stolen, to murder in their neighborhoods where they don't feel safe, they don't feel protected, they literally feel they cannot go out at night.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because we challenged it on behalf of the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: And we said this is a violation of the single subject and title clause of the Minnesota Constitution.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_02: We are challenging this one section on behalf of our clients, the binary trigger clause, which had to do with how you define a trigger that can, with one pull, fire off multiple shots.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that's mashed into this 1,400-page thing, right?
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: That covers everything from health, higher education, firearms, energy, agriculture, human services, health, and paid leave.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: Not a single subject.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: The court in August of 2025 struck down the bill and s severed basically one provision relating to the binary triggers.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Judge Castro had some interesting words for this, and he said, out of respect for precedent favoring severance, I'm just gonna strike down the binary trigger amendment.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_02: But then he says, quote, make no mistake, during the late hours of May 19, 2024, lawmaking did not occur within the framework of the Constitution.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: This court respectfully suggests that if there has ever been a bill without a common theme and where all bounds of reason and restraint seem to have been abandoned, this is it.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota has always been a low crime state.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_23: But according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes, a category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota is now a high crime state.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_23: Visit highcrime.com to learn more.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if you want to listen to more of uh that commentary and the other uh podcasts hosted by American Experiment, not just the uh John Justice show, head on over to AmericanExperiment uh.org and check that out.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of great new pieces up, a few of which I'll be referencing on the show today.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm glad you're with us on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you can follow me on X at John J-O-N Justice.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_04: Remember, you can listen and watch at MN Think Tank on X as well.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: Friend of the show, Pat, uh posted, I thought when they first announced a Biden's cancer diagnosis in 2025, it had spread to his bones then.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I seem to recall hearing something similar, but at the same time.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: My guess is if we were to go back and look, there was probably nothing official coming from the Biden campaign regarding that the fact that it had spread.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe it's because I believe it was stage four cancer when it was first announced.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: And so there might have been an extrapolation of it having spread given the severity of the original diagnosis.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um either way, according to Hunter Biden, now that is the case.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_04: And as I mentioned before, prayers out to the uh Biden family.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_04: All right, before we dive into nonsense in the WNBA, let's go back to the blaster line this morning, 612-584-4565.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_04: That is the number to leave us a comment.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_20: John, great to hear you again.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_20: Got a question for Lisa Damon.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_20: Have her explain to us why she's not a DFL in vinyl clothing.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_20: What has she done over the last five years that would make me think she's not a rhino?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh thank you for the comments uh this morning and the kind words.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um with all due respect, yeah, I'm not answering, I'm not asking her that question.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um and listen, this is again, no disrespect to uh to you, Russell, for your for your comment, but that seems like an issue for you personally.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the easiest answer for Lisa Damuth to give if I were to ask her that question, and it's the answer that I would expect is uh expect is for her to say, well, I don't consider myself to be a Republican in name only.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_04: So therefore I just reject the premise of the of the question.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to leave specific comments as to why you believe personally she is a rhino, that's a different ballgame altogether.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_04: Go that route, Russell.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm not just gonna say, convince uh Russell why you're not a rhino.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's not how.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_04: That's not how things are gonna work.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, at least on all my shows, that's not how things are gonna work.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: Indiana Fever Guard, Sophie Cunningham, pushed it back after uh Chicago Sky Guard on Dejanai.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_04: Am I saying that correctly?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_04: Carrington blamed with my fingers white privilege for her own rejection from Saturday's game, a post that Carrington later deleted.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_04: Cunningham dismissed the accusation outright.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: She pointed to her own ejection last season for a similar foul.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think the league is taking care of that, she said.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: This has nothing to do with race.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_04: Last year I did the same thing and I got kicked out.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I deserved to be kicked out.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: There's no reason to even play that hard.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_04: Of the foul itself, Cunningham said clearly, I think it was unnecessary.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: I've never really spoken to her, and I have no beef with her, but I guess she has some pent-up stuff.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: So get your stuff off.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's fine.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: I can take it.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_04: Now, Devin, you you went and you watched the clip.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I'm watching it as we speak again.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: She got clobbered.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_28: Yeah.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_04: You think it was intentional though, or was it just a matter of that's just how they play in the WNBA?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I I think there's a level to intention there.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: You think so?
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit?
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she went further, agreeing with Devin, calling the hit deliberate.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: She says, Yeah, it's intentional.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: I do think that when people play the fever, we're nationally televised.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of eyes on us, and people just want attention, and that's her trying to get uh attention.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_04: Video the interaction, which showed uh Carrington uh her clothes uh lining Cunningham as she went in for a layup.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, clotheslining, excuse me, my bad.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_04: That's a thing.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: Closelining.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_04: I read that my inflection was completely off.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_04: Showed Carrington clotheslining Cunningham as she went in for a layup, spread quickly across social media.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_04: The foul landed Cunningham on her back on the court.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: It was upgraded to a flagrant two after review with official citing wind-up impact and follow-through and high potential for injury for a player in a vulnerable uh position.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I so this is these are obviously all gauges in which the WMBA uses when they're going to go and issue penalties.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: I have something similar, but I won't bore you with the terminology relating to uh NASCAR.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_04: Cunningham, of course, made waves when she said in an ESPN interview last month that she did not believe it was fair for women and girls to compete in athletics against biological males and has been the target of protest and criticism ever since.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, and therein lies the problem.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_04: Uh this is all because she simply voiced her opinion.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's all that it is.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, thank, you know, thank the good Lord Almighty that Republicans don't act the same way or else it would just be chaos everywhere.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: If you, if, if Republicans just in all different aspects of life, politics, sports, pop culture, just decided to go and attack, and in this case, violently individuals because they shared a different um uh view and and opinion.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: And hat tip to Sophie Cunningham for continuing to put up with it.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: Now that wasn't the only controversy from over the weekend regarding the WMBA.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_04: Two former NBA players have announced plans to enter the 2027 draft for a top professional women's basketball league.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: So Ennis Cantor Freedom and Senate candidate Royce White both had careers in professional men's basketball league on August 7th, announced their intentions to put their names forward for selection for the upcoming Women's National Basketball Association draft.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_04: Both said they believe they are eligible to join based on the WMBA's current policies if they temporarily identify as female.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: So unless my order of how all of this played out is off, Royce should have simply gone and vocally, in my opinion, vocally supported Ennis Cantor Freedom, because I believe he was the first one to step forward to offer up the suggestion that he would place himself in the draft for the WNBA.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: And then Royce White, seeing what Cantor Freedom did, decided, oh, I'll go and do the same thing.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: Now it just looks like he's jumping onto his coattails.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_04: We don't need two NBA players going and making this point.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_04: I think Anna's Cantor Freedom was carrying the water.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and there was no need for Royce White to go and get involved in this, but be that as it may, here we are.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: So take of it what you will.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_04: I might be nitpicking, but I just thought I was like, dude, just support the other guy.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_04: You're running for Senate.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, is the ex because the other part of this too is is the expectation here for Royce White?
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: Is he just assuming he's not going to win tomorrow and so he's gonna go ahead and do this?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_04: What if the WNBA decides, yeah, you're a woman, come play for us.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_04: The 11-seasoned uh player, turned human rights advocate, said his announcement was not meant to mock or disrespect the transera uh transgender identifying individuals, saying he simply wants the NBA WNBA to apply the stated rules equally.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'm declaring for the 2027 WNBA draft, said White, who was campaigning for Republican Minnesota U.S.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_04: Senate seat.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: I identify as a sometimes identifying transgender woman.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Their announcement was met with a response from the Labor Union, the League for Players, the W uh WNBPA.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_04: They released a statement saying they do stand for embracing justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_04: The WNBA is now under pressure to clarify its policies on whether athletes born male can join the league launched by the NBA for elite female players.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_04: Is that terminology elite?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_04: Is that should we well?
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_04: I can't, I cannot judge this at all, and I probably shouldn't criticize.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: I've never watched a WNBA game.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_04: Although I've considered it.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_04: No, I take that back.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_04: I take that back.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_04: I did watch a portion of a WNBA game when Caitlin Clark was the hot thing.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: What a disappointment that's been, because she could be a great advocate and she's not.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_04: I have considered watching a WNBA game with uh Sophie Cunningham.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: I just haven't gone in and done that yet.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: So uh recent addition to The Friends of the Show and the Guests, social media influencer and defender of uh Minneapolis to bring back its vibrancy.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Becca Thompson, who was on the show uh last week, she posted on social media about this very issue and specifically the emergency meeting being called by the WNBA to try to identify for them definitively what is and isn't qualifications to be a woman.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: Here's Becca Thompson.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_10: Definitional thing.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_10: What in your mind is the difference between socialism and communism?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, my apologies.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_04: That is the that is the uh that is the wrong clip.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_04: And that is absolutely on me.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna have to go and track down the uh track down the right one.
• 30:41
  unknown: All right.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Coming up in just a moment on the show.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna find the right clip of uh of Becca Thompson, so my apologies for that.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll be talking with Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty, far left uh governor candidate, taps only fans model as deputy campaign manager.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_04: At least it's making things more interesting when it comes to the Democrat Socialists of America.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: And is the rise of the DSA essentially a new progressive Tea Party?
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_04: We'll talk with Andrew Langer about these issues uh next if you want to leave a comment and drop us a blast at 612-584-4565, or you can email john.justice at american experiment.org.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_11: What's that thing that Keith Ellison said in the December 2021 meeting with fraudsters?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_11: Money is freedom.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_11: Money is power.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_11: Yeah, right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_11: I mean, that's happening in Minnesota.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_11: And you don't just see it with public sector unions generally, but it's I mean, look at the teachers' union.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_11: It is truly, it is like cartel levels of control that they hold over the DFL here in Minnesota.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_11: So even if there were some DFL legislators who say wanted school choice and thought it was a great policy, the teachers' union is so against it and so against any meaningful reform that they really can't come out and support it because they're being funded, their campaigns are being run by the union.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_23: Now that school's out for the summer, how are Minnesota students doing?
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_23: Not very well.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in 10 years.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_23: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota students can either read or do math at grade level.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_23: We used to brag about our schools.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_23: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
• 32:20
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• 32:23
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• 32:28
  SPEAKER_11: Minnesota is the second most generous state in the nation, spending$46,000 on public welfare per person in poverty in 2023.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_11: Second most generous.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_13: Just really quick, if those people in poverty had the$46,000, they wouldn't be in poverty.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_13: So I just would like to court as right now, checks.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_13: Quickly point out that the government is once again like the least efficient organization in the world.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota has always been a low crime state.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_23: But according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_23: A category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota is now a high crime state.
• 33:11
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• 33:14
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• 33:19
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• 33:20
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• 33:26
  SPEAKER_23: But in a world full of AI and fake news, where can Minnesotans find the facts?
• 33:30
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• 33:41
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• 33:44
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• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: And remember to head on over to AmericanExperiment.org to check out more of that commentary.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna bring in president of the Institute for Liberty, Andrew Langer, in just a moment.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: First off, though, I have gone and tracked down that the clip from Becca Thompson talking about the WNBA.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_32: My sister gave it to me.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_32: She was like, Your hair's in your eyes, right?
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_32: Let's keep I'm somewhere between like an eight-year-old girl and an oxygenarian.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: She's talking about her haircut.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_32: Let's do this.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_32: Okay, so the WNBA, because W stands for whatever, is now holding an emergency summit to determine what a woman is.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_32: And I would just like to explain a little something if you didn't already know.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_32: Now I'm sure I'm gonna get heat for this, but I actually am done caring, so I'm just gonna say it, okay?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_32: We are not the smartest civilization to ever walk the earth.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_32: Like far, far, far, far from it.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_32: Our arrogance about us being the most enlightened is a real problem, but we're definitely not.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_32: Now, you can understand what ancient civilizations thought about the matter from our words.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_32: So without getting into all the words of all the times, which I could, let's just stick with English.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_32: Obviously, we have man, which comes from Adam and Om and all these other things.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_32: Man.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_32: But then Woman is in Kingdom Vhylum class, order, family, genus, species.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_32: Remember that.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_32: What's up, biology class?
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_32: Man meant hue-man, human beings.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_32: Hue being meaning color spectrum.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_32: Hue man, human beings.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_32: Hue colors.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_32: Man, beings.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_32: But woo man came from wom.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_32: Wom man.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_32: The womb man.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_32: Because one group has the womb.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_32: It's defined that way.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_32: So if you don't have a womb, let's just use that WMBA.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_32: Whatever, National Basketball Association.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: See you out there.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Becca Thompson on her uh on her X feed.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Andrew Lager, president of the Institute for Liberty, just as a complete aside, I don't know if your mind went to where my mind went, but I started thinking about the uh debate poetry.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_07: She stole my heart.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_07: She stole my cat.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, that's exactly where I went with it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_07: So I married an axe murderer.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_07: Whoa man.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_07: This is why gentlemen have been friends for 15 years.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, man.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: Too funny.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: That movie's impossible, by the way.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_04: That movie is impossible to find on streaming.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_07: Well, that and PCU, right?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_07: The two of them.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: They have not been able to find either of those on streaming.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_04: Good morning, buddy.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_07: So I was thinking of you because I uh I uh I I took a subway ride up to the Bronx on uh on Friday night and was thinking about the Warriors.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_07: Um yeah, it was uh I was I was in New York over the weekend.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_07: We um we went to the Yankee game on Friday.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_07: You know, I for those of you who don't know, um my my dad passed away in May.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know if we ever really talked about him in the air, uh maybe a little bit.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_07: And um three months ago, uh this past Saturday, and so we had a bit of a family gathering.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_07: We we haven't done a more a memorial service yet, but um my trip to Yankee Stadium on Friday certainly uh helped to suffice for some for some of that, which which was which was good.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_07: But also was sorry, go ahead, John.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I was just gonna ask if you were declaring your uh your uh putting your name into the ring for the WMBA for the uh for the draft, for the 2027 draft for the WMBA.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_07: I would be one of those uh one of those guys um on the adult team or high school team who would absolutely 100% lose to anybody on the WNBA.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_07: No, I I uh uh uh plus I don't I don't have the legs for it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_07: If I were Tim Curry, you know, getting from from Rocky Hart, maybe.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_07: No, I I this is this is so funny.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_07: You we really are through the looking glass in so many ways on these things.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_07: I mean this is this is what happens.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_07: And there was that there was she a Minneapolis TV host who got all upset about what Clay Travis has said.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_07: It was Minneapolis, right?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_07: So anyway, bring it back to the yeah, yeah.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: Janna, uh Jana Shortall.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_04: If uh by the way, quick production meeting, if you have the if you have the chance to turn your mic down on your end just to scoche, you're clipping uh a little bit, uh a little bit over here on our end.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_04: Not a huge deal, but I can just tell as we're as we're talking.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_04: If you can't, then don't worry about it.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: So I I maybe a little hard for me to figure out.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: I gotta put my Mr.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_07: McGoo glasses on.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: All right, there you go.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_04: Well, or or uh yeah, maybe maybe uh maybe hold hold back on your uh on your tone.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_04: So again, a little on her production meeting.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_04: No, Janice Shortall, um that was a really interesting clip that we played last week from her because she her argument only made sense from the premise of what she believes, and that is that men can identify as women.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_04: So she, you know, makes the comment of, well, this is just because, you know, they don't like women athletes.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, no, you the whole baseline premise of your argument is completely false because you're associating a man saying that they're a woman, and that just simply isn't the case.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_04: And unfortunately, you know, as we'll talk about, there's too many individuals that just buy into all of that, which makes any sort of debate, you know, nigh impossible to have.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, listen, it's funny.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_07: I had a um, I had a conversation with uh a rather progressive member of my family uh over the weekend, and this person admitted to me this is someone who was you know run the gamut of of sort of the the the the terms that are that are out there, but uh uh uh she expressed frustration to me about the concept of him, her lesbians, which is not something I'd ever really considered before, but essentially it's trans men um who no, I'm sorry, it is tran it is women.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_07: See, I can't even get this.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_07: Women who identify using him her pronouns, but are nevertheless declaring themselves to be lesbians.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_07: And like, okay, I just you know, and this person's like, this is this is this is too much even for me, which is I guess the point out there.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_07: When you go on ad nauseum, uh when words mean everything, then words mean nothing.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_04: Let's talk about uh letters, specifically DSA, and let's start here.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_04: Senator John Fetterman uh criticized uh Senate uh Democrat Senate nominee Abdul El Said for his alliance with uh far left streamer Hassan Piker in opposition to military aid for Israel, warning that it could jeopardize the Michigan Senate seat.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_04: He also challenged El Said to continue uh campaigning with Piker, highlighting the potential risks of associating uh with controversial figures.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Now, all of these things sort of fall under the category of the Democrat Socialists uh of America.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I do want to talk a little bit more about El Said, especially I have some uh audio to share regarding his uh negative commentary around Mackinac Island.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_04: But let me start here, though.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez making the rounds as of late, talking about the potential that she could be a 2028 presidential nominee for the Democrats.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, she was asked about this over the weekend regarding her affiliation with the DSA, uh, as we talk with Andrew Langer here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiments.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_10: Okay, just a quick definitional thing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_10: What in your mind is the difference between socialism and communism?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_36: I think to me, the fundamental differences uh I mean there's there's many.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_36: One prevailing one is democracy.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_36: And I believe that uh democratic socialists are fundamentally pro-democracy.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_36: And we believe in the ballot box, we believe in in respecting the the outcomes of elections and governing democratically, and ensuring that that the ideas that and policies that are implemented are won through popular vote and popular opinion.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_36: And so that I think that's why so much of what we focus on is also making sure that we are providing for the majority of Americans, guaranteeing health care, raising wages, strengthening the right to a union.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_36: And and I think that that's at its core what we're about.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_10: Are you still a member of Democratic Socialists of America?
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_36: Of the New York City chapter.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_07: The New York City chapter, not the national.
• 42:18
  unknown: No.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_07: She said that so very proudly.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_07: She's just a a New York socialist.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_04: Just a New York socialist.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_04: Is there a difference?
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_04: So I have my thoughts on this, but Andrew Langer, uh, your thoughts.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: And you, you know, ahead of our conversation, we usually chit-chat back and forth about what we wanted to talk about.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_04: And you kind of likened the rise of the DSA to the Tea Party movement, if I'm correct, right?
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, no.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_07: Let me be really clear.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_07: Other folks are trying to liken it to the Tea Party movement.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_07: You know, the same way that that they tried to say that with Occupy Wall Street.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_07: Um here's what I what I love about this new show, John, you know, is that, you know, having this put on and being sponsored and the platform of the Center for the American Experiment, you know, means that we can we can have an in-depth conversation uh about stuff.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um and let's, you know, there are two there are two ways to go with this.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_07: Number one is to get into classical Marxist theory, right?
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_07: Which is, you know, Marx laying out in Das Capital and the Communist Manu Manifesto, the difference between communism and socialism, and that socialism was the transitional phase between capitalism and and pure communism, that communism was the goal.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_07: So we can we can talk about that.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_07: There, there are two halves of the same whole there.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_07: So the idea that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or anybody else is going to try to distinguish between the two is a form of ignorance and insanity.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_07: And again, trying to say that words no longer have meaning, but of course they do.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_07: The other part of this is uh really fascinating to sort of get in depth on it.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_07: And and just stick with me for a second, John.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_07: Which is the so-called obsession by democratic socialists with democracy.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_07: Now, I know your listeners, because you have some of the best listeners in radio, sat there and said, Well, you know, um, you know, the the the the socialists, uh um, you know, whether it was the USSR or you know, the various socialist republics in in Eastern Europe, they all declared themselves as sort of democ democratic socialists.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_07: Is that on your end or my end?
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_04: That's on our end, and I have, yeah, the uh fire alarm has just gone off.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_07: Listen, I will take over the I can take over the show from here if you you need me to.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, see, that's the unfortunate thing is that the previous employer, the alarms always took place outside of the studio, not in uh the studio.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_04: So um, Devin, why don't you wander out?
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_04: Leave it, leave it up for now.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_04: Why don't you wander out and see if you can't find out what's going on?
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and we'll continue to work through a bit of the conversation here.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_07: Finish your thought.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_07: So the point is that you had these republics that sort of declared themselves as democratic socialists, and of course they were not.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_07: So there's that aspect of it.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_07: But most importantly, the obsession on the part of democratic socialists with so-called democracy, right?
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_07: This is the further extension of the Democrats not willing to not being willing to recognize that in our system we balance rights and we balance the mob rule.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_07: Because what AOC at the core, what AOC and her democratic socialist brethren are talking about is the ultimate mobocracy.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_07: Right?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_07: And so, there we go.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_07: And so what happens is that that when you have the pure democracy that AOC is talking about, uh, what that does do is it shortchanges so they can go after and shortchange the the free speech rights of people that they don't like, they can seize the property of people that they don't like, uh, they can make all kinds of rules to restrict the the movement and actions of people they don't like in the name of democratic rule.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_07: If the majority says that it's so, that's the way it's going to be.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_07: We don't live in a democracy.
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_07: We certainly don't live in a socialist democracy.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_07: Uh we live in a capitalist democratic republic, and all of those things play together.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_07: And there you go.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_04: And now Devin's gone and put the he's put the fire out.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so let me so let me take that.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: Let me let me add another element because I want to get your thoughts on this.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: Because it kind of plays into my thoughts of what the Democrats have been trying to do.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's like they want the best of both worlds.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: This version of the Democrat Socialists of America within the Democrat Party, so many of them, and AOC did it in the clip.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_04: They want the they want all the good things when it comes to democracy and fair elections.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_04: They want to take advantage of capitalism where it benefits them.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_04: But at the same time, they're touting this Democrat socialism in this new sort of twisted Frankenstein version of progressivism.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_04: And the two cannot coexist it together.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_04: They're they're antithetical to one another, and yet they're trying to put forward this hey, we're gonna combine the best of both worlds, everything that you love that makes America prosperous, but also the Democrat socialist and the socialist angle of it.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_04: And it just simply it can't exist.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's like it's a Frankenstein monster that's gonna fall over and die.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_07: You know, at least you have to respect the honesty of the brutality of the Chinese communist state-run capitalism model, right?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_07: At the end of the day, the the Chinese are unapologetic in terms of the fact that they use the proletariat as grist for the mill, uh, and everybody else sort of benefits, uh, uh uh benefits.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_07: I use air quotes there.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_07: But yeah, I mean, that's that's just it.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_07: It is it is trying to create this warm and fuzzy socialism without understanding, you know, why we do what we do, why things matter.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_07: You gotta, what was the line?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_07: Oh good lord, you gotta understand.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_07: Oh, no, it's Captain Kirk, right?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_07: You know, uh uh uh saying to uh Christie Elli in Star Trek 2, you have to understand why things work the way that they do on a starship.
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_07: And you know, listen, I I will say that that clip you played at the at the beginning where we, you know, we're we're talking about how we don't understand where we're coming from, woman woman and all that jazz.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_07: Um you know and the arrogance of our society.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_07: You know, the arrogance of our society in the late 19th, early 20th century was to get rid of the prime example of this, John, is getting rid of the way that the Senate was being elected out of state legislatures, the United States Senate, you know, um in a in a fit of democratic impulses, right?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_07: We passed the 17th Amendment, which said that no longer were we going to elect senators out of state legislatures, uh, but we were gonna have direct election of senators.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_07: And isn't this gonna be so much better?
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_07: Without understanding why it was that the founders wanted to do this and and you know, messing up what was a pretty good system in terms of the idea that you had a body uh where they were more responsive to local concerns because they were they were elected out of bodies of of legislators that were closest to the people.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_07: You know, so so you know, this is the same the same mistaken impulse uh without understanding why it is that we have this system of cooperative federalism that we do.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_04: What do you think uh the is it too soon to make any predictions on how some of these Democrat Socialist candidates are going to fare against uh against uh against Republicans?
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_04: I I saw somebody post it online last week after you know some of these wins, especially El Said, and they were asking the question, and I'm curious your thoughts on whether or not does this give Republicans an an advantage, or does it increase Democrat turnout because they are passionate over these radical individuals that they have chosen uh to go and be their nominees?
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_07: All all Republicans have to do is not be crazy, right?
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, listen, it this is this is this is essentially it.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_07: And and it really doesn't matter how you define crazy, um, you know, don't say stupid stuff.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_07: Uh be reasonable.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_07: Uh and and maybe because, you know, again, being home and being with a bunch of, and I I'll say this, a bunch of my my you know, New York leftist, and you know, I I was raised culturally Jewish, uh, not particularly religious, but same way as a a lot of my a lot of my relatives were, you know, who are genuinely scared of the anti-Semitic impulses uh of the far left DSA.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_07: And so all all our Republicans have to do is be reasonable on a bunch of things and and make it really clear that they're not anti-Semitic.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, and maybe just maybe we can stem what otherwise would probably be a blue a blue tide this year.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_07: I listen, I think the blue tide is blunted.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I think it's gonna be a blue trickle like it was a red trickle in in 2022.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but you know, nevertheless, it's 2026, anything can happen.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_04: Talking with Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty, let's go back to the blaster line this morning.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_04: Got a couple of comments that have rolled in um on topic here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_19: Hey John, I'm here.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_19: I think when uh Democratic Social America says that they believe in dark democracy, they're lying to their team.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_19: They don't actually believe in that.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_19: In fact, if they do like the vote, it'll be like uh whatever is the tool that you can have.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_19: That's what you get to vote on.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_19: Everything else will just thank you.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_19: Have a great day.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh thanks as always, uh, Hans.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh appreciate uh appreciate your comment.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_04: Andrew, do you have any uh anything to add to what Hans had to say there?
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_07: I get I get what he's what he's saying, and insofar as you know, this is why Democrats, you know, really do oppose they hate Trump and they don't want Trump to have executive branch power.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_07: But anytime, you know, we we try to move to lessen that power in the centralized government, the Democrats oppose that, right?
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_07: You know, the Supreme Court, it's a prime example.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_07: The Supreme Court overturns the Chevron doctrine, which allowed, you know, an enormous power to be concentrated in the executive branches they could have discretion to make interpretations of laws.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_07: The Supreme Court overturns this a couple of years ago, and what does socialist Elizabeth Warren want to do?
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_07: Well, she wants to pass a law to give that power back to the executive branch.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_07: So the the the blaster is right insofar as, yeah, they don't want to get rid of that power, but they do want democracy insofar as they believe in mob rule.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_07: Whereas we believe, we as as Republicans or we as conservatives believe that mob rule is always balanced out by the Constitution.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_04: Let's go back to the uh blaster line.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_04: 612-584-4565 is the number if you want to leave us a comment throughout the show.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_21: Well, I just heard ALC comment as a Democrat socialist or behind whatever the popular vote won, whatever the popular vote line gets after policies, which are pushing back against all the policies just won in understanders by our president.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_21: So he's lying for always lying, but she just said it allowed.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_21: They don't care.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it it you know, Andrew Langer, it's so difficult whenever you hear uh pretty much any Democrat because they'll say whatever.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, really to kind of bring it down to a base level, they will say whatever they they need to say in order to grow their power, retain their power, bring in more votes.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_04: So they've it it kind of you know dovetails off of what we were talking about.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_04: They're all over, they're all over the map and they're willing to say whatever they need to say.
• 54:13
  SPEAKER_07: They believe in democracy insofar as you know, whatever they can do to get as many people on their side voting for them.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_07: And what I mean by this is, you know, this is why they want the national popular vote in presidential elections as opposed to the Electoral College.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_07: This is why they want to make it so that illegals can vote, you know, or non-citizens can vote, you know, in some places.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_07: They want to lower the voting age to 16, you know, because they what they want to do is they want to um uh artificially increase their popular vote numbers um so that they can then have this bizarro mandate, right?
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_07: You know, the thing they always point to is the popular vote.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_07: This is why I I have an inherent distrust of any Republican who who believes in changing our system from the Electoral College to the National Popular Vote.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_04: Let's wrap up on a couple of uh different items.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_04: Let's move over to uh Congress, uh Senate, of course, has called it a day temporarily and uh hasn't gotten very little accomplished to uh say that it's frustrating would be an understatement, uh Andrew Lynn.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_07: You know, listen, I get it, and I get that we we need the Save Act again to get at this issue of who actually can vote in our elections.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_07: The Democrats want everybody and their brother to do it.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_07: There was a cryptocurrency regulation bill, which I I, you know, I I get a little a little sketchy about, but on the other hand, we want Congress to be the ones to determine how we're gonna regulate cryptocurrency.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_07: We don't want it left to the agencies to sort of decide for themselves.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_07: On the other hand, listen, I'm always tempered, my disappointment is always tempered by the fact that yes, the Senate is the place where when we have good bills, you know, bills that we like coming out of the House, the place where good bills go to die.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_07: On the other hand, uh, it is also the place where when Democrats have bills that they like uh in the House that come out, it's the place where good bills go to die.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_07: So I I I, you know, as I as I've said in the past, though, listen, guys, if you wanna, if you wanna fix this, let's repeal the 17th Amendment and have uh and have senators elected out of state legislatures.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_07: That would make them uh a little bit more responsive.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_04: And speaking of the Senate, we're actually gonna be talking with lawyer extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien coming up right around 7.15 ahead of gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damath uh joining us on the couch here in the American Experiment Studio.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_04: And uh he's gonna lay out how uh Lamie Klobishar, uh Democrat gubernatorial candidate, she's trying to take credit for the extension of the new hemp restrictions that would really harm businesses here in Minnesota.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_04: But she's had no, she had nothing to do with any of this apart from just being a vote in in in the Senate, and she's out there trying to tout that it's because of her that there may be an extension on pausing this particular regul uh regulation.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I mean, listen, this is this is this is what this is what they do.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_07: They take credit for things for things circling.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, that's that's what uh that's uh that's what they do.
• 57:04
  SPEAKER_04: Last item of note showing our age.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: I wasn't aware of this, but uh um former congressman, but also known as Cooter from Dukes of Hazard, uh passed away.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_04: He shared this news with me as we started this morning.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_07: No, there was that moment of time where we were getting a uh getting folks out of 70s TV elected to office.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_07: You know, Ben Jones Cooter from Dukes of Hazard and and uh and uh uh gopher Fred Grandy from uh from the Love Boat.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_07: Uh I believe they're saved time in Congress, which is Fred Thompson, right?
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_07: Uh uh no Fred Grandy.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_07: Fred Thompson.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_07: No, no, I was but I was saying you know Fred Thompson, you can also.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_07: Yes, that's that's very true.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_07: Uh movie actor, though not uh though not uh they're not TV.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_07: Um that's true.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, Fred Fred Thompson's uh wife, Jerry, a longstanding uh uh uh conservative activist uh as well.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_07: So but at least at least Fred Thompson had had the experience before he became an actor of working up on the hill.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know if you know this, but he was one of the counsels to the Watergate committee.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_07: Um so he'd he'd spent some some time up there doing that.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_04: So you know I was a huge Fred Thompson fan, not just home for Red October, but also his time in office.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_04: I I was it was such a such a loss when he was great.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_04: He was gone too.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, that was that was that was good stuff.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_07: But yeah, so safe home uh uh Ben Jones.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_07: Uh that's uh sad news.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_04: Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_04: What have you been involved in?
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_04: And where would you like the listener to uh head on over to when they're done listening to this fantastic program?
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_07: Obviously, tout this next week.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but uh we recorded the 200th episode of uh of uh uh the lunch hour podcast, my weekly public policy podcast.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_07: That'll be up next Monday.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_07: Uh this week over, and John, you're gonna appreciate this, I think, very much because it gets into your your creative uh writing work.
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_07: Uh uh this week's episode, Rainer Zeidelman, uh, who's written a book, a series of books about privatization and and space exploration.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_07: Uh, I sit down with him and talk about space policy.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_07: Uh so check that out.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_07: Uh at the lunch hour pod is is that uh Twitter account at Andrew underscore langer is how you find me.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_07: Uh go and check it out.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_04: Woman, whoa man.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_07: Whoa man, whoa man.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_04: Betty Judy, yes.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_04: Andrew Langer, as always.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, buddy.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_04: It was great talking with you.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_04: Better man, talk to you later.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: All right, let's go back to the blaster line.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_04: Friend of the show, Brandon, has um some thoughts at 612-584-4565.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_22: Well, I'm pretty sure we should have a week for what a month.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_22: I think we have this sound like you have a personal issue with her personal reason rather than actually looking at what she's worried about.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_04: Brandon, of course, was referencing a previous talk back that was uh basically asking me to ask Lisa Damath uh why she's not a rhino, which I'm just going to reject a question like that uh outright.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_04: All of this goes to point to two things, though.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, one, why we need to get rid of the endorsement process here in Minnesota.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_04: And two, on top of that, why primaries like tomorrow are so crucial.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_04: And an official welcome in to you new arrivals this morning as we start hour two here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:00:57
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• 1:00:58
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• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_04: We have producer Devin uh pushing the buttons and keeping the show on track this morning, lawyer extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien joining us in about 15 minutes from now.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_04: And then we got a packed show of guests ahead of uh tomorrow's primary.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_04: As I mentioned, gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damath will be sitting on the couch here in the American Experiment Studios at uh 7.30.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_04: Michelle Tefoya will go and uh occupy that seat starting at 8 o'clock, and then at 8 30, uh Hennepin County Attorney candidate Diane Krentz will be joining us uh here as well.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_04: So a busy uh day this morning here on the John Justice Show.
• 1:01:54
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• 1:01:59
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• 1:02:00
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• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_04: All right, a couple of holdovers from last hour, dovetailing off of uh my conversation with um Andrew Langer, president of the Institute for Liberty, talking about the Democrat Socialists of America, uh Michigan Democrat Senate candidate Abdul El Saeed facing backlash after he trashed a beloved Michigan vacation spot in a resurfaced videos, and then he did video and then he doubled down when confronted on it.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_04: He said, I don't think most uh I don't think the most American place in Michigan is a place that bans cars, he said.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_04: Mackinac Island banned motor vehicles back in the 1890s.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_04: It's part of the charm of Mackinac Island, leaving the island to horse-drawn carriages, bicycles, and foot traffic.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_04: It wasn't for some green initiative.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's essentially one of the reasons and draws to why people go there.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's a rule that generations of Michigan families, working off of an article from Daily Wire, have treated as part of the island's charm.
• 1:03:04
  SPEAKER_04: El Said, though, sees it differently because he sees American exceptionalism, America patriotism differently.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_04: The dude is twisted and should never have been running for office, certainly not nominated.
• 1:03:17
  SPEAKER_04: He says, I hate Mackinac so much in a resurvice documentary from his failed 2018 gubernatorial campaign.
• 1:03:24
  SPEAKER_04: Every time I've ever come here, I've hated it.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_04: Why am I here?
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_04: The island has also hosted the governor's official summer residence since 1945.
• 1:03:32
  SPEAKER_04: A fact that El Said jokes about in a clip, noting that a win would have made Mackinac his summer home.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_04: He'll be facing off against Republican nominee Mike Rogers, a former U.S.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_04: representative who has already taken uh two digs at El Said since then, uh asked on CNN Tuesday night whether uh he was comfortable with El Said's connection with Hassan Piker, that radical leftist, given remarks about 9-11 and other comments that he's made.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_04: Senator Bernie Sanders admitted um that he was not.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_04: He said, I think it's a dumb statement, but he quickly pivoted to defend uh the streamer.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_04: Now, be that as it may, I do want to get into some commentary of um Bernie Sanders relating to the Wisconsin uh gubernatorial candidate that's been making headlines.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_04: Before I do that, though, uh Kid Rock, who has some familiarity with Mackinac Island, was talking, I believe, with Fox News over his thoughts about L Said's comments.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_04: Here's what Kid Rock had to say.
• 1:04:31
  SPEAKER_31: Mackinac is one of the most beautiful places in America.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_31: And don't take my word for it, ask the millions of people who have visited.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_31: I just recently had some friends up here at my my lake home in Charlevoix, Michigan, from South Alabama, from Birmingham, Alabama, but have a lake house in Alabama.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_31: Knew nothing about northern Michigan.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_31: So one of the first things I do is take them over to Mackinac Island.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_31: There's no cars there.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_31: You get a you get a buggy pulled by horses, you tour the island and the old Fort Mackinac there.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_31: You see the beautiful landscape and homes overlooking Lake Michigan and the Mackinac Bridge.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_31: And then my favorite thing to do, one of my favorite things on earth is to end up at the Grand Hotel, which is one of the largest front porches in the world, if not the largest, in America, but lined with American flags, and you're sitting there having a whiskey drink before you go to dinner, and it's just it's God's country.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_31: Every every little town up here in North Michigan is like a Norman Rockwell, Norman Rockwell painting come to life.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: And he's not wrong.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: He's not wrong at all.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know, unfortunately, as I mentioned, too many individuals are just because they want to thumb their nose at conservatives, are throwing their support behind these dangerous candidates.
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_04: And Democrats are attempting to obviously go and capitalize on this.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_04: And the excuse that they've been using is this well, we're a Big Tent party.
• 1:05:48
  SPEAKER_04: We invite all of these individuals into our party.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_04: So we welcome these Democrat socialists.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_04: This is bogus.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_04: You know who the Big Ten Party is right now?
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_04: And I wish that Republicans would go and capitalize on this?
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's Republicans.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's Republicans that are willing to take anybody, regardless of their political affiliation, under the banner of conservatism right now.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_04: I have some clips that I'll share with you that play that play into this very point.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_04: We've seen over and over again prominent political figures, social media influencers, uh local um politicos, for lack of a better way to describe them, who are who have been disenfranchised with the Democrat Party and have been looking over to Republicans as sort of the last bastion of sanity.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, Democrat socialists, it's in the name.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: They still tout themselves as Democrats, even though they are this Frankenstein monster of ideologies, attempting to take advantage of what America has to offer and what we all love about it, but combining it with this far leftist Marxist ideology that simply cannot coexist uh together.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's not a big party.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's the Democrats basically just leaning into communism, going further left than what they already believe.
• 1:07:03
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's the Republican Party that's the Big Ten Party.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_04: You look at as we played social media influencer and uh an individual fighting to bring about uh a resurgence in Minneapolis, Becca Thompson, she was a former Democrat.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_04: Callie Proctor, friend of the show, you know, ended up sort of ditching her more moderate Democrat leanings, moving towards conservatism because of how much they see the Democrat Party moving to the left to communism and the fact that they tout how much they hate America.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, the Big Ten Party, it's Republicans.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_04: Let me play this for you.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_04: I want to talk briefly about the um far speaking of far-leftists, uh Democrat uh Francesca Hong's campaign for governor, right?
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_04: Talk about the most radical of radicals.
• 1:07:53
  SPEAKER_04: But two of those individuals that are so close to coming over to the Republican Party for good, Bill Maher, to the point where the Democrats have gotten so have gone so far left, Bill Maher now sounds like a conservative talk show host.
• 1:08:08
  SPEAKER_04: Now, granted, I have not paid attention or watched like a Bill Maher show in its entirety.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen a bunch of clips, so maybe this is in line with commentary that he typically does.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_04: But when I saw and heard this clip, I just I had to chuckle out loud talking about Francesca Hong because again, he sounds like a conservative talk show host.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_15: Democrats have found a candidate who hates Thanksgiving and wants to get rid of it.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_15: Yes, running for governor in Wisconsin, Francesca Hong.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_15: Have you heard about this?
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_15: Yeah, Thanksgiving, she says, should be canceled.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_15: I say good.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_15: Finally, a politician willing to stand up to big stuffing.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_15: Of course, yesterday she went on scene and renounced it.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_15: I don't believe you.
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_15: I don't believe you people who renounce things.
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_15: We know what you said, you mean it, live by it, you fucking squirrely out of it.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_15: No, you meant it.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_15: You know why you know she meant it?
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_15: Because she hates all holidays.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_15: She talked about be feeling attacked on Christmas when someone put on her computer a Christmas scene.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_15: Doesn't like fireworks, Fourth of July.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_15: Halloween.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_15: All the far lefties hate Halloween.
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_15: Costumes that are inappropriate.
• 1:09:17
  SPEAKER_15: This woman doesn't like Valentine's Day, another way of capitalism taking over my love life.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_15: She said, Valentine's Day, the holiday that brings out the worst of humanity.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_15: That's the holiday that's the holiday that brings out the worst of humanity.
• 1:09:35
  SPEAKER_15: Have you ever been to a Black Friday sale?
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, I'm gonna pat myself on the back.
• 1:09:43
  SPEAKER_04: I had I've done commentary regarding Democrats hating Halloween going back like a decade.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_04: I've been saying that for the longest time.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_04: Because all the Halloween is, is basically you appropriating somebody else.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_04: So of course the Democrats would go and hate it.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um but when uh Bernie Sanders is asked about the uh radical leanings of uh Francesca uh Hong, here is what he had to say over the weekend.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's been some attention to some of her social media posts recently, but she has this platform of free child care, state-run grocery stores, more health care subsidies.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_03: She wants to raise income taxes on millionaires.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_03: Some of this does seem to align with your platform.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm wondering, you know, why don't you support her?
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Is some of what she supports too extreme for you?
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Raising taxes on the rich, making sure that everybody in Wisconsin or America has healthcare as a right sounds quite reasonable to me.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, of course it does for Bernie Sanders.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_04: The multimillionaire who uses socialism essentially to reap millions of dollars, and has no, it has no impact or bearing on him whatsoever if the country were to go full socialism for an individual like Bernie Sanders.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_04: So comments like that do not shock me in the uh in the least bit.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Now, there is a new controversy relating to Francesca Hong's campaign for governor of Wisconsin.
• 1:11:22
  SPEAKER_04: I want to share it with you in just a moment.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_04: But first, uh friend of the show, uh Congressman Tom Tiffany, also gubernatorial uh candidate, uh, talking about this very issue of how the potential gubernatorial opponent in the Wisconsin governor's uh race is this extreme radical.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_04: Here's a little uh from uh Congressman Tom Tiffany.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_08: You look at the debates two weeks ago.
• 1:11:45
  SPEAKER_08: Uh none of them, none of the Democrat candidates would take on Ms.
• 1:11:48
  SPEAKER_08: Long and the crazy stuff that she says, like abolish prisons, abolish police, none of them would take it on.
• 1:11:55
  SPEAKER_08: So you know that ultimately the leadership of the Democrat Party in Wisconsin, they are all in for this big government socialism.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_08: And we have to be the firewall here in Wisconsin that stops it right here in the heartland from spreading across America.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_08: And that's what we're doing every day is delivering that message.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_08: And it is resonating across Wisconsin.
• 1:12:16
  SPEAKER_08: Wisconsin, Wisconsinites are deeply concerned about what they're hearing.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they are.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I wish that I had a better assessment for you of how these elections are going to play out.
• 1:12:31
  SPEAKER_04: I would love to believe that in November, these far leftist communist, self-proclaimed Democrat socialists like Francesca Hong, I would like to believe that this will be a bridge too far for most Democrat voters.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_04: But I simply don't know.
• 1:12:51
  SPEAKER_04: It all depends on just how effective the Democrats' propaganda has been in convincing their broken and base set of voters to go and support these individuals simply because they run fully counter to Republicans.
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, that's another reason why all of this has happened, why there's been this rise of communists on the left.
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's because the Democrats created a pathway for them to come in and essentially fully take over the party.
• 1:13:21
  SPEAKER_04: They were always a part of the party, but now they've grown in numbers because it has been a political winner for them.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_04: You can't get any, you can you can't put forward a better contrast to Republican and conservative values and ideologies than communism.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_04: So it makes sense that those on the left would be embracing this now as a means to thumb their nose, throw their middle finger up at conservatism.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_04: In the meantime, Renee Faust previously went by the name of um Renee Olstead, serving as the deputy campaign manager for Francesca Hong's campaign for governor of Wisconsin, according to the Heartland Post.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Faust first became known as a child television actress.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_04: She played Lauren Miller on the uh CBS sitcom Still Standing, never watched it.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_04: 2002 and 2006.
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, she later appeared on The Secret Life of an American Teenager.
• 1:14:19
  SPEAKER_04: Never heard of that either.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_04: I never watched it at least.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_04: Recorded jazz albums produced by David Foster.
• 1:14:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:14:25
  SPEAKER_04: So you might be thinking, John, why are you bringing this up?
• 1:14:27
  SPEAKER_04: I'm bringing it up because in around 2020, apparently uh she wasn't making any more money for through the legitimate means of entertainment.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um and she moved into adult modeling, launched an OnlyFans account.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_04: In January of 23, she was named Pet House Pet of the Month.
• 1:14:45
  SPEAKER_04: Which answers uh the question for me of whether or not they still had penthouse pest uh pets.
• 1:14:50
  SPEAKER_04: I guess they I guess they do.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_04: And in March of 2025, the magazine crowned her as uh the 2024 pet of the year.
• 1:15:01
  SPEAKER_04: By the way, how come that hasn't been canceled?
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_04: Calling a woman a pet?
• 1:15:06
  SPEAKER_04: I get it, because it's pet house, it's penthouse, pet of the month, display on words, but still seems very counter to what Democrats and liberals believe.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_04: She's publicly called herself a sex worker and uh founded the Coalition for American Sex Workers known as uh CASW Local 304, the group lobbies for uh decriminalizing prostitution and related policy changes.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know, in the past, uh this would have been something that would have been devastating to a candidate, would have gone and destroyed any chances that they had of actually winning an election, let alone a primary.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_04: And yet in today's world and today's uh Democrat uh party, unfortunately, uh this is uh touted as uh something to be applauded.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Right, it's women's power, right?
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_04: Coming up, Minnesota hemp industry gets a lifeline as U.S.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_04: Senate votes 61 to 32 to delay the federal ban prior to them going on recess.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_04: Now, Lammy Klobichar has been out attempting to take credit for all of this.
• 1:16:10
  SPEAKER_04: And we're gonna talk with lawyer extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien in just a moment about how essentially uh Lamy Clobuchar should not be trying to take any credit for uh this uh delay in the federal ban that would have been devastating uh to the businesses uh selling these products here in Minnesota.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll talk with our lawyer extraordinaire here in uh just a moment uh on the show.
• 1:16:33
  SPEAKER_04: Ahead of tomorrow's uh primary.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Here's some commentary from Center of the American Experiment and Bill Walsh talking about appalling numbers in the past.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_04: You can check out this commentary at AmericaneExperiment.org and we'll talk with Lawyer Extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien in just a moment here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_37: Is the Declaration of Independence worth celebrating?
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_37: 66% of Minnesota said yes.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_37: The Declaration of Independence worth celebrating.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_37: Uh 4% said boycott.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_37: That's that's just 4% crank, you know, in this in this poll.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_37: Um we can we can ignore that.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_11: It really is.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_11: When I have to picture all of the protesters that I see every weekend with their upside-down American flags, the no kings, and the signs cycle every few months because someone's making them for them and giving them their messages.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_11: Those people must be included somewhere in here, right?
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_11: I don't know.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_11: That's incredible.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_37: Is America generally a force for good in the world?
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_37: And again, remember this came out right before we bombed uh Iran.
• 1:17:30
  SPEAKER_37: This these numbers might be different today, but 54% thought America was a force for good in the world, 41% not a force for good, five percent unsure.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_37: So not a horrible uh uh result there, I think.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_13: Forty-one percent say not a force for good.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_13: How do you think that?
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota has always been a low crime state, but according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data, we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes, a category that includes crimes like murder, assault, rape, and carjackings.
• 1:18:03
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota is now a high crime state.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_23: Visit highcrime.com to learn more.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 1:18:15
  SPEAKER_11: Now, one of Keith Ellison's campaign donors has pleaded guilty to fraud.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_11: Now, shocking, I know.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_11: For what it's worth, uh became the last of a seven-member family group to plead guilty in the sprawling Feeding Our Future fraud scandal last week.
• 1:18:30
  SPEAKER_11: Akram Youssef Mohammed, who once worked as a Feeding Our Future employee, but more excitingly, was present at the infamous 2021, December 2021 meeting where Keith Ellison, our own attorney general, met with some fraud-connected individuals.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_11: She was in that meeting.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_11: So a few days after that meeting took place, back in December 2021, her brother, Gandhi, who just pled guilty last week, donated the maximum allowed amount to Keith Ellison's campaign.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_11: That was$2,500.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_11: So this is so interesting because Gandhi was not only being investigated for food fraud.
• 1:19:03
  SPEAKER_11: And we've seen this with several fraudsters.
• 1:19:05
  SPEAKER_11: Gandhi Muhammad received at least$36 million in Medicaid reimbursements, as well as the stuff that he was making off the free food fraud case.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_11: But he hasn't been charged with fraud in those programs yet.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_11: So were those ill-gotten games?
• 1:19:19
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_23: A famous politician once said, you're entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
• 1:19:26
  SPEAKER_23: But in a world full of AI and fake news, where can Minnesotans find the facts?
• 1:19:30
  SPEAKER_23: Center of the American Experiment is Minnesota's go-to source for fact-based analysis and common sense solutions for taxes, energy, public safety, and our kids' education.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_23: Visit AmericanExperiment.org for more information.
• 1:19:44
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 1:19:49
  SPEAKER_04: And again, if you want more of that commentary, also check out the other podcasts produced by Center of the American Experiment.
• 1:19:56
  SPEAKER_04: Head on over to American Experiment.org, American Experiment.org.
• 1:20:01
  SPEAKER_04: Joining us now, his first appearance on the new iteration of the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_04: Lawyer Extraordinaire, uh Jeff O'Brien, who was very fired up about Lamie Clobeschar yesterday to the point where he called me up because he had things to say.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_04: Good morning, uh Jeff O'Brien.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_04: How are we doing this morning, sir?
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_05: Good morning.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_05: I'm good, John.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I should say I'm was it lawyer extraordinaire and a former American Experiment intern.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_05: I was an intern there 30 years ago.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_05: If I uh if I wasn't the first, I was or I was one of the first, but it's a great organization.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_05: It's a lot of fun.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know what?
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_04: That bodes well for a uh for a long and fruitful uh future here uh for the John Justice Show at American Experiment, based off of uh the length of time that you've been involved with the uh with the organization.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_04: Before we dive into um uh Senator Lamy Klobishar, uh de facto gubernatorial uh candidate after uh tomorrow.
• 1:20:55
  SPEAKER_04: Talk a little bit about your background within this industry and you know, let the audience, for those that may be newer to the show, uh, you know, get a little bit more acquainted with uh lawyer extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 1:21:06
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I'm a transactional attorney to corporate and real estate, but for the last, oh gosh, 16, 17 years, I think I started out working with uh craft breweries here in Minnesota, who of course have become very big into manufacturing these hemp beverages or THC beverages, whatever you want to call them, um, do some cannabis stuff too.
• 1:21:27
  SPEAKER_05: So I, you know, I get to do all these heavily regulated industries or some people call them vice industries.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_05: So I've been, you know, for the last, you know, since 2022 when Minnesota created their regulatory system for these what they now call low potency hemp products here.
• 1:21:43
  SPEAKER_05: Um I've been very involved with this and um have been tracking what's been going on at the federal level since last November when this uh delayed ban went into effect.
• 1:21:55
  SPEAKER_05: I that I we're our firm is members of a group called the Hemp Beverage Alliance, and I'm on like calls every other week trying to find out what the status of the efforts were to either delay the ban or put regulations in place similar to what Minnesota has.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_05: And we've talked about this on the old show, John, that we don't see this in Minnesota and don't understand why this is happening, but there are states that have no had no regulations whatsoever, and they were literally selling you know cannabis strength products in gas stations.
• 1:22:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and that's what led to this.
• 1:22:29
  SPEAKER_05: And so there's been a lot of people touting Minnesota.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_05: You know, Minnesota doesn't do a whole lot right when it comes to leg legisl with its laws, but this is one example.
• 1:22:39
  SPEAKER_05: The the regulation of these hemp beverages is a one example of where Minnesota got it right, and having license now we have a system where you can't make them or sell them if you don't have a license.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_05: Um some cities have their own license for it, so um you know, and there's there's oversight from the state.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_05: So we don't have those issues like other states have had.
• 1:23:02
  SPEAKER_05: And that's part of why there's some there's some um proposed legislation now that would would would start to look have the federal system look a lot more like what Minnesota has.
• 1:23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Let me ask you before we dive into um this particular hemp, uh, this delay in this federal ban and uh Senator Lamie Klobishar, uh would you mind sharing your thoughts on the the the recent um law that went into uh that went into place on August 1st regarding the Kratom uh products that were being sold at the uh at the convenience stores?
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_04: I know that those were um more heavy they're more heavily regulated than they were before.
• 1:23:40
  SPEAKER_04: There were concerns uh over, you know, health consequences.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_04: A woman suffered a cardiac arrest taking these products.
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_04: Um any thoughts on them on this new law um regulating Kratom?
• 1:23:51
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I haven't done a lot with Kratom, John, but I can tell you that it it's uh my understanding of it is it's moving again towards this system we have towards the with we do regulating these these lower strength hemp products, um, you know, having some sort of of uh you know monitoring from the state.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_05: You know, the you know one of the things with the with the with the hemp products and the licensure requirement was to thin out the num the availability of some of these products.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_05: So it's not at every you know, in every convenience store and every gas station, that it would, you know, you right now you have a lot of liquor stores that applied for for licenses, other you know, you have gonna have dispensaries that that apply that have applied for them.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_05: The idea being um they want to control obviously getting it in the hands of miners, uh, you know, you know, anybody under the age of 21, they don't they just as an odd have these products, and just making sure that we we try to minimize the you know having these stories of somebody you know taking the wrong thing or you know, a child getting into it and having an adverse consequence.
• 1:24:56
  SPEAKER_05: So um, you know, I'm I'm I'm all in favor of continuing this path that Minnesota has adopted in regulating these products so they because any any bad thing that happens, the the um the other, you know, the the opponents of all of this seize on that as well, we can't have this.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_04: The Senate passed a bipartisan bill.
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_04: I'm looking at the Fox 9 version of the story.
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  SPEAKER_04: I know this is gonna wrankle you.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's true, but I just want to read you what they wrote.
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  SPEAKER_04: The Senate passed a bipartisan bill with the provision from Senator Amy Klobishar to delay the federal hemp ban until December 11th, 2026.
• 1:25:32
  SPEAKER_04: Did um Amy Klobishar have anything uh to do with that uh provision?
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  SPEAKER_04: Was that written by her, Jeff O'Brien?
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  SPEAKER_05: I don't you know, John, I don't know if she wrote some sort of provision.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_05: This was here's what happened in this.
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  SPEAKER_05: So this is, you know, this there was a delay that the last fall, should back up to last November, Mitch McConnell got a provision into the bill to reopen the government after the shutdown that closed this what they called the hemp loophole out of the 2018 farm bill.
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  SPEAKER_05: Essentially put a ban on these products and they delayed the effective date of it to November of this year.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_29: Right.
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  SPEAKER_05: And so all of the effort from then until now has been either getting a delay of the ban and continuing to work at the federal level to come up with some sort of regulatory structure so they wouldn't so the ban would never go into effect.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um and there's been a lot of different competing proposals.
• 1:26:28
  SPEAKER_05: There's one in the House right now that's Andy Barr from Georgia.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_05: And if there's any Democrat in Minnesota that's been doing anything on this, it's been Angie Craig.
• 1:26:36
  SPEAKER_05: She's the co-author of the Bar bill in the House.
• 1:26:40
  SPEAKER_05: But um where this came from is about a week and a half ago, we got word that the White House was insisting that this hemp band delay be included in the continuing resolution.
• 1:26:50
  SPEAKER_05: It was Susie Wiles that that that put the that put the edict out there, and I JD Vance was up on Capitol Hill on Thursday meeting with Senator Republican senators who were squeamish about it, right?
• 1:27:02
  SPEAKER_05: And so um, so uh I I've I've heard you know, I've in these calls we do on every other Tuesday, you know, I think Amy's name came up once and it was dismissed like, well, she's in the minority, it's not going anywhere.
• 1:27:20
  SPEAKER_05: So she may have introduced a a similar bill that that mirrored the language that was included in the CR.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_05: Um, Tim Shee, the Republican senator from Montana, has been done a lot of the heavy lifting on on this in the Senate.
• 1:27:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and so so I but not I I've never heard her name attached to this until she put the videos and the posts out on the socials over the weekend, you know, c touting it was her provision.
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe at one time there was some langu I don't know, but I've never heard her name brought up in terms of one who is working in a bipartisan way.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_05: with or working with the White House to get this delay in.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean kudos to her, I guess, for voting for what was eventually, you know, uh passed because she's done that before, John.
• 1:28:12
  SPEAKER_05: She for years, and I and I say this as a conservative Republican, I supported her for a number of years because in the in the boom days of the craft beverage industry, I know.
• 1:28:22
  SPEAKER_05: Well, here's the thing she was she for years she was co-author and a and a big advocate for a tax relief bill for craft beverage companies.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_05: And she was even back our old friend, our late friend Drew, when he had the beer podcast, she was on it talking about it.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_05: I mean we all were, you know, hey look at our say our senior senators doing something for a big uh industry that provides a lot of jobs and tax revenue in Minnesota.
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_05: That bill that tax bill ended up getting folded into the first uh tax bill in the during the first Trump administration in December of 2017.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_05: Guess who voted against it?
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_05: Amy Klobishar.
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  SPEAKER_05: So all the years of her pushing it when it came to I don't like it's it's not my it's not my bill it's not my party um pushing this not my president I'm going to vote against it.
• 1:29:07
  SPEAKER_05: So she's pulled this before where she you know she'll say that she's for something and then when it comes down to actually voting for it um she goes the other way.
• 1:29:16
  SPEAKER_05: So I just I just thought it was kind of galling that she was out there taking such a big it is and I hadn't heard from you know barely heard from her on this um going into this this weekend in these votes.
• 1:29:28
  SPEAKER_05: So I mean it's just it's very disingenuous on her part in my opinion that she's acting like she she wrote this and and took the laboring or she she like I said she may have had one of another one of these companion bills but this wasn't her effort.
• 1:29:42
  SPEAKER_05: This was the White House telling the Republican senators you're doing this.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh and she's trying to you get further into this Fox 9 piece and she's trying to take a victory lap the article goes on to say the Senate rejected an attempt to remove the delay provision showing strong bipartisan support Klobachar worked late into the night to secure support from both sides of the aisle and she gives this lengthy statement about all of the greatness that she's done for these businesses here in Minnesota.
• 1:30:09
  SPEAKER_04: You know and again there's a reason why as you mentioned our dear friend Drew called her the senator of small things right she's done so very little in her you know in her past that she has to try to take credit for anything she can take credit for because she has so little to go and hang her hat on.
• 1:30:24
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah well you know and this was and this is you know the it was this wasn't the only instance this weekend where she was doing stuff like that and you see you know I've I do some stuff obviously you know I do some stuff with some retired professional athletes so I'm in the I I I'm around the uh the the Vikings folks sometimes and you know her dad used to be a call was a her was a columnist and way back when he was a beat writer for you know for the you know for the Star Tribune for the Vikings and he um she's got a picture up this weekend of her with Bud Grant because she was up at game fair and did like talking about her outdoors and conservation plan and then all of a sudden just out of the blue fires up this photo of her with Bud Grant who's been deceased for three years and everybody kind of called her on this one.
• 1:31:04
  SPEAKER_05: Like what you know okay we it's it's pretty obvious what you're doing.
• 1:31:08
  SPEAKER_05: I'm guessing he wouldn't like you using his this photo for votes um I thought one a couple comments I said I'm guessing he had opinion about biological males competing in women's sports too.
• 1:31:18
  SPEAKER_05: But um you know that's just the stuff that she does and it's just yeah I mean it's it's when you say when I heard you about your show last week John you're talking about you know when you heard when she got booed at FarmFest and kind of chided the crowd you said that she's beatable.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_05: I think she is I think it's I think it's her race to lose but I think she could lose it with this kind of behavior.
• 1:31:38
  SPEAKER_05: I mean this this shtick is is gotten old.
• 1:31:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: Lawyer extraordinaire uh Jeff O'Brien thank you so much for joining us this morning and providing your insight it's always great to uh talk and see you and I look forward to the next time uh you can come and join us on the show my friend good to be on congrats to the new show John thank you so much well and speaking uh of uh gubernatorial candidates we're actually going to be talking to an individual who who hopes uh that uh they can do their part to make sure that uh Amy Klobichar is not the governor here in the state of uh Minnesota we'll talk with gubernatorial candidate uh Lisa Damouth she's joined us on the couch here at the Center of the American uh experiment studios we'll do that in just a moment here on the John Justice show I want to take a second though and just uh talk about NeutroWave for just a moment.
• 1:32:22
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• 1:34:28
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• 1:34:37
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  SPEAKER_13: And they also state that Box said on the telephone that her criminal defense attorney and the editor of the Star Tribune were making plans as to when to publish the article to garner the most strategic advantage.
• 1:35:17
  SPEAKER_11: So that's like pretty high level collusion between the Star Tribune and this woman who's sitting in a jail waiting to be sentenced for her role in the fraud scheme.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 1:35:27
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota has always been a low crime state but according to the most recent Bureau of Criminal Apprehension data we are now above the national average when it comes to part one crimes a category that includes crimes like murder assault rape and carjackings.
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  SPEAKER_23: Think about it Minnesota is now a high crime state visit highcrimemn.com to learn more think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment Minnesota's think tank.
• 1:35:56
  SPEAKER_11: Most Minnesotans based on our polling would agree it was temporary from the beginning.
• 1:35:59
  SPEAKER_11: It was temporary temporary COVID going to people who don't need it they can work or they're illegal immigrants shouldn't be benefiting from the system anyway.
• 1:36:07
  SPEAKER_11: Yep they're able bodied or they're not Americans.
• 1:36:09
  SPEAKER_11: We're gonna kind of roll through a few of the senators' opinions on why this funding is so crucial.
• 1:36:14
  SPEAKER_40: Let's roll it work reporting requirements don't work.
• 1:36:17
  SPEAKER_40: The Trump administration and Republicans in Congress are forcing states to adopt these work reporting requirements so they can kick enough people off Medicaid to justify the tax cuts they gave to billionaires.
• 1:36:27
  SPEAKER_40: The single purpose of this is to kick people off of their health insurance except to corporations and super rich donors the only people who stand to gain from this deal.
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  SPEAKER_23: Think about it now that school's back in session how are Minnesota students doing not very well.
• 1:36:42
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in 10 years.
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  SPEAKER_23: In fact fewer than half of Minnesota students can either read or do math at grade level.
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  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
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  SPEAKER_23: We used to brag about our schools now we're losing to states like Mississippi visit americanexperiment.org for more information think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment Minnesota's think tank.
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  SPEAKER_09: Even though it included public schools and their basic thing was we are testifying against this because it'll decrease the enrollment in public schools decrease teacher uh teacher funding in public schools and basically take money away from our teachers in public schools and when they did that what was what just became so crystal clear and every DFL representative fell in line repeated the same talking the same anti-Trump talking points what what stuck out to me was like wow you really don't care about the kids you really really don't the only thing you're prioritizing is public school enrollment not for the sake of the we need more kids in public school because they'll get the best education.
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  SPEAKER_13: The justification was we need more kids in public school so that our teachers can get paid in public school yeah they should be happy that there's going to be more private money under this program going to schools more money in general but they're not yeah because some of it might go to private schools.
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  SPEAKER_09: Meanwhile in other states that are run by Democrats they did opt into this program and their kids are going to benefit from Virginia Minnesota New York did the Michigan Michigan Colorado you had these other states that are blue states that were opting into this program and I think just the most jarring part of it was listening to these DFL representatives this DFL testifier from Education Minnesota and going wow the point is not educating our children.
• 1:38:47
  SPEAKER_04: The commentary from Representative uh Max Reimer our uh frequent uh Free Day Friday guest uh Freedom Friday uh guest here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment who'll of course be in on uh Friday morning as well and if you missed Friday's uh Freedom Friday uh show it was one for the ages I think it's safe to say I had multiple individuals after the show on Friday tell me that they had to pull over the car while they were listening because they were laughing so hard.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah to say that it went off the rails would be uh an absolute uh understatement so jam-packed uh show uh today especially ahead of uh the primaries uh tomorrow of course you can already go and go and vote right but I'm waiting until tomorrow to make it official uh joining us on the couch here at the Center of the American Experiment uh studios I am very pleased to welcome into the show a gubernatorial candidate uh Lisa Damouth good morning Lisa uh great to great to see you this morning thank you for the invitation great to see the new place here John we're getting our uh microphones in a row we got it we're good now thank you so much uh I really uh really appreciate it so listen let's uh let's just start here how are you how are you feeling heading into tomorrow I know some of the polls have been tightening over the course of the past week are you putting much stock in those polls what is your general mood about your campaign as we head into tomorrow John we've got one day and 12 hours before those polls close and yes I have a countdown on my phone um you know thinking about it and we had our team meeting last night with our campaign team and I think the way that I'm looking at this we've got all of today all of tomorrow but we have done the work as a campaign.
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  SPEAKER_38: When I entered this race last November I had said let's work as hard as we can and do the right thing for the people of Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_38: And I never want to have regrets.
• 1:40:40
  SPEAKER_38: I don't want to look back and say oh we should have done this.
• 1:40:43
  SPEAKER_38: We have done absolutely everything that we could to connect with Minnesotans and give Minnesotans the chance to be involved and choose who is going to go up on that November ballot and turn the state around really so I think the best way to explain how I feel is really excited and at peace that we have done absolutely everything.
• 1:41:04
  SPEAKER_38: I think the people that I've gotten to meet because of this process, that's my favorite part of getting to do this.
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  SPEAKER_38: Everyday Minnesotans, I was in Grand Rapids just a week ago at their parade and people couldn't believe that I bothered to come up that way.
• 1:41:17
  SPEAKER_38: I said well you're part of Minnesota.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_38: Why wouldn't I be here?
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  SPEAKER_38: So I feel really good about it.
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  SPEAKER_04: You guys have worked really hard I mean correct me if I'm wrong um you know from my perspective um it seems as if um the Lisa Damath campaign has worked really hard to develop that grassroots level support.
• 1:41:36
  SPEAKER_04: You know things have dramatically changed.
• 1:41:38
  SPEAKER_04: You can reach individuals in ways that you never could before a lot of individuals take advantage of that and try to push those new methods as opposed to going more traditional routes.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_04: But it seems as if you've taken kind of a more traditional route to your campaign.
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  SPEAKER_04: Am I right or wrong on that?
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  SPEAKER_38: I think a little bit of both.
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  SPEAKER_38: And so I think it's an all of the above.
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  SPEAKER_38: I'm really glad that we can't do robocalls here.
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  SPEAKER_38: So it's forced us to contact people that have wanted to be a part of change here in Minnesota, wanted to be a part of the Damuth Wilson campaign saying how can we be involved?
• 1:42:12
  SPEAKER_38: Yesterday at my hometown parade I had well over 50 volunteers just walking with us.
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  SPEAKER_38: Great reception from everyone we've had thousands of phone calls made by grassroots volunteers over the last number of weeks and now especially leading in we've had a really heavy heavy focus this weekend.
• 1:42:32
  SPEAKER_38: I think it's that traditional that voter contact that Minnesota contact and then of course using the technology that we have uh you know digital and some of those other ways to to find voters and and to hear from Minnesotans.
• 1:42:45
  SPEAKER_04: Well speaking of uh technology we have a means of listeners to go and ask you questions.
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  SPEAKER_04: We call it the blaster line uh here on the John Justice show 612 584565 a friend of the show uh James uh has a question for our guest this morning Lisa Damath good morning John I have a question for Lisa I was at the Candy O'Harde County Fair went from Minnesota this past week and a family member and one of the things that uh seemed to keep coming up was how many people are talking about leaving the state and moving to South Curry and other states um from the mayor's raised in lower Minnesota all the way up to the North Republican Party there at the fair.
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  SPEAKER_25: And I wonder if you can address that and what you would do to help change people's minds.
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  SPEAKER_04: Let me add something to this before you but before you answer uh James because it's something that I struggle with here on the on the show and that is we talk about all of the issues that we're dealing with here in Minnesota and those issues have driven a lot of people out of the state you know and I the last thing that I would ever want for me personally just as you know my role as a talk show host would be to you know want to encourage somebody to go and leave the state and yet because of the policies and things we talk about on a daily basis people are.
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  SPEAKER_04: So what do you say to individuals like James who's you know talking about people are leaving moving to South Dakota and other and other states you know if you can address what you would do to you know highlight the difficulties but also to tell people hey you know don't leave Minnesota.
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  SPEAKER_38: I would say don't leave the the state of Minnesota yet and I think James brings up something that is on a lot of people's minds because of our tax structure here because of the overwhelming policies even John think back to when people used to move here to Minnesota because of our great educational system and you've already mentioned that as a concern our failing education here in Minnesota.
• 1:44:42
  SPEAKER_38: But I would say don't leave yet give us a chance we have had Democrat control in this state for far too long over 16 years of Democrat control that has really driven our state down.
• 1:44:54
  SPEAKER_38: It has driven taxes up we're not seeing those results but it is time for us to pull together and make the changes needed that there is hope we need to remove that taxes when you think of taxes overall we are still taxing Social Security.
• 1:45:10
  SPEAKER_38: We're one of the few states that still does that so we're saying to our seniors you know what we taxed you once watch this we're gonna tax you again on your social security that is something that needs to be changed.
• 1:45:22
  SPEAKER_38: I've tried to work on that there have been little changes but we couldn't get enough through the legislature but the other thing about that is on our small businesses, on the paid family leave, the mandates it is so much pressure that if Minnesotans finally stand up and say this is too much, we want to stay, but we need changes.
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  SPEAKER_38: I believe there is hope in this next four years with a change over in not just the person that is the governor but the party we've got to have that change because it's been too long of Democrat control with too deep into the bureaucracy that's here.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_38: It's gonna take a clean out and I'm ready to do that.
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  SPEAKER_04: You mentioned paid family medical leave and I actually have a few items in my stack so I'm glad you went and brought this uh brought this up talking with gubernatorial candidate uh Lisa Damouth there was a story last week a Baxter Minnesota mother uh said that she has spent months waiting for final payment from the state's paid leave program after making a change to her approved application she says it took an extra I took it uh the extra week confident that I was going to receive that payment and it never came.
• 1:46:26
  SPEAKER_04: The delay has left Horner and her family without an expected$1,425 payment for nearly three months this has forced her to make difficult decisions, she said, despite repeated assurances from the state that payment would arrive.
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_04: And let me just play this was a clip from current governor uh Tim Walls talking about paid family medical leave and the expectations that people can have of the program which certainly runs counter his comments due to what this woman is dealing with.
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  SPEAKER_04: Now I have further questions about paid family medical leave and some of the things that have been said over the course of the past week but you know here we have another Minnesota program under DFL leadership that's having trouble just functioning the way that it should have what are your thoughts on what this woman's dealing with so that's not an unusual story.
• 1:47:26
  SPEAKER_38: We are hearing those stories I've got a constituent in my area that was going to take a few weeks to for the the bonding the parental leave that you can take um it's a dad and he was going to take that he was denied no answers couldn't get full answers he was denied no reason for it and so we're hearing all of these strange little stories of someone that was um trying to get coverage while they had breast cancer and were repeatedly denied filled all the qualifications that you needed I think what that points out John is the fact that businesses that value their employees are going to find a way to do this and to take good care of their employees.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_38: But when the state comes in and says here's a mandate it's redistribution of wealth it is one size fits all or one size really fits none, these are the problems that we see.
• 1:48:20
  SPEAKER_38: One other thing thinking of paid family leave I was at FarmFest last week talking with some farmers and agriculture seasonal workers were not exempt from this.
• 1:48:30
  SPEAKER_38: And so what they were saying they were giving me the person I was talking to was giving me a story of an employee that has been long time on their farm that had to have surgery kind of came up a little bit faster and they would have just made it work.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_38: But now with the paid family leave instead of taking the number of weeks that this particular employee would have taken the employee said well I've been paying into this so I'm gonna take the full 12 weeks.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_29: Yes.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_38: You know, and so it it really it it is involving uh a change in the culture of work environments that isn't healthy either.
• 1:49:04
  SPEAKER_04: So um I'll play conspiracy here.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_04: So we know because this was another question I wanted to ask you we know that it was announced that there would be no tax increase on paid family medical leave next year.
• 1:49:16
  SPEAKER_04: But within that same announcement was the fact that the expectation is it's going to have to be raised in 2028.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_04: You're already shaking your head I think I know what the answer is but I'll pose it anyways.
• 1:49:28
  SPEAKER_04: The assumption here is that it's an election year they didn't want to go and raise the tax right now.
• 1:49:33
  SPEAKER_04: Do you agree with that assessment?
• 1:49:34
  SPEAKER_38: I absolutely agree with that assessment and more.
• 1:49:38
  SPEAKER_04: So with that being said, you know, and it's the question we brought up last week when we were talking about it okay what does this mean for the program for the coming year?
• 1:49:46
  SPEAKER_04: And is it possible that at the state level they're being more stringent on the requirements to receive these benefits that people are forced to pay into because of the fact that they're not raising the tax next year?
• 1:49:58
  SPEAKER_04: Am I into conspiracy Territory, or do you think there's some logic there?
• 1:50:02
  SPEAKER_38: I think there's some logic there.
• 1:50:03
  SPEAKER_38: We can always kind of hang out in the conspiracy area, but you're right, it's an election year.
• 1:50:08
  SPEAKER_38: The last thing they wanted to do is raise a tax right before before people were going to be able to vote.
• 1:50:13
  SPEAKER_38: One other thing is we were negotiating, and remember, you know, for your listeners, um, I have served as uh Speaker of the House the last two years.
• 1:50:20
  SPEAKER_38: So as we were negotiating toward the end of session, it was found that there was$70 million left over uh from the IT setup and the program setup for paid family medical leave.
• 1:50:33
  SPEAKER_38: You know, they had put in a number of dollars to make sure that happened.
• 1:50:37
  SPEAKER_38: It came in under budget, which doesn't that bring a question?
• 1:50:40
  SPEAKER_38: How did this come under budget?
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_38: How did that happen?
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_38: But it did.
• 1:50:43
  SPEAKER_38: So as we were looking, and I'll take you a little bit different in direction.
• 1:50:47
  SPEAKER_38: I hope we have a few minutes.
• 1:50:48
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you got no.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_04: This is the luxury that we have on this new iteration of the show.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_04: So go for it.
• 1:50:53
  SPEAKER_38: This conversation, John, that's what I like.
• 1:50:56
  SPEAKER_38: Uh because we were looking at trying to modernize our IT systems within our social services program.
• 1:51:03
  SPEAKER_38: So for your listeners, the way this works is programs when people are applying for SNAP and some of those other things, the counties administer those programs that are state required.
• 1:51:14
  SPEAKER_38: The IT systems, the computer systems that these counties are working on are 30 plus years old.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_38: So if you remember back with me, green screens, spinning dials, delay after delay.
• 1:51:28
  SPEAKER_38: This is something that with an$18 billion surplus, those IT systems that are required by the state absolutely should have been updated back then.
• 1:51:37
  SPEAKER_38: Democrat Control said, we're not going to do it.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_38: We were able to infuse some dollars this last year into the modernization, uh, the SSIS modernization.
• 1:51:47
  SPEAKER_38: And I give a lot of credit to Representative Paul Torkelson, who has fought this battle for years, and we were in the same room with the governor and other leaders saying this has to get done.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_38: When I found out about the$70 million, because it was originally for IT in the paid family medical leave, and we're looking at another IT program, I said, why don't we take that$70 million and infuse it over here where we need to fix into the modernization?
• 1:52:15
  SPEAKER_38: IT, IT, state level, it made sense.
• 1:52:17
  SPEAKER_38: I was told, no, we're gonna need that for the paid family medical leave.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_38: That way we don't have to raise taxes as fast.
• 1:52:25
  SPEAKER_04: So as governor, what uh would you do, what can you do about paid family medical leave moving forward?
• 1:52:35
  SPEAKER_38: Well, we're not, you know, we wanted it gone.
• 1:52:37
  SPEAKER_38: We wanted it um in the beginning where it would have been limited to the size of business, or it could have even been an opt-in.
• 1:52:44
  SPEAKER_38: Ideally, it should have been a private market and a credit potentially given for businesses.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_38: Can't go back that far.
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_38: What we can do is tighten the requirements, tighten the, you know, you're hearing starting to hear about that potential fraud or loopholes or people misusing the program.
• 1:53:00
  SPEAKER_38: Those need to be tightened immediately.
• 1:53:02
  SPEAKER_38: And then it's going to take changes by the legislature and a motivated governor to watch those programs change.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_38: It should be still a potential opt-in.
• 1:53:12
  SPEAKER_38: We should not be doing this for seasonal workers.
• 1:53:14
  SPEAKER_38: Our schools are struggling under this because of both the cost and backfilling those positions.
• 1:53:21
  SPEAKER_38: So there's many things that we're gonna need to look at, but changes to paid family medical leave, still taking good care of employees, but allowing more flexibility for employers is what we absolutely need to do.
• 1:53:33
  SPEAKER_04: There's a brand new uh piece up at AmericanExperiment.org as we continue our conversation with gubernatorial candidate uh Lisa Damath.
• 1:53:41
  SPEAKER_04: I want to mention too that Senate candidate um uh Michelle Tefoya will be joining us just after the top of the hour.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_04: So um at a at the recent Farm Fest gubernatorial debate, uh each of the candidates, yourself included, asked the question about fraud in Minnesota and what they were going to do about it.
• 1:53:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Amy Klobuchar stated her response to saying the people of Minnesota were ripped off, uh, this was wrong, and it should have been caught earlier.
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_04: And yet, between January of 22, the day the FBI raided Feeding Our Future, and December 31st of 2025, right before she launched her campaign for governor, Amy Klobishar issued 1,085 press releases, and not one of them addressed the Minnesota fraud scandal.
• 1:54:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, your thought, your thoughts on that, because this has been a point of contention for myself and and others, that she says she wants to do something about fraud.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_04: But the question that I have, and again, others have had is well, you know, why weren't these things done before, especially under uh Tim Walls, does she still, you know, support what Walls did as governor?
• 1:54:42
  SPEAKER_04: But the fact that she really hasn't spoken about this at all up until now as she's running for governor.
• 1:54:47
  SPEAKER_38: Now that she's running for governor is when you're hearing her talk about fraud.
• 1:54:51
  SPEAKER_38: I have said since Feeding Our Future came out, where why wasn't our Senate delegation from Minnesota doing anything about the federal loss of our dollars here in the state?
• 1:55:02
  SPEAKER_38: And you didn't hear anything from Senator Clobuchar.
• 1:55:04
  SPEAKER_38: You didn't hear anything at all.
• 1:55:06
  SPEAKER_38: We were fighting the the good fight here in Minnesota to try to get the attention on how much fraud there was.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_38: Democrats didn't want to talk about that.
• 1:55:15
  SPEAKER_38: When we took the tie in the House in 2025, I established the fraud prevention agency oversight committee.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_38: So at every single week, Democrats and Republicans, but a Republican chair, Kristen Robbins, Republican majority in that committee, were talking about fraud, looking at fraud, and bringing it to the public's attention.
• 1:55:33
  SPEAKER_38: They did a phenomenal job.
• 1:55:35
  SPEAKER_38: Democrats could no longer say it's not really happening.
• 1:55:38
  SPEAKER_38: They still tried to say that, but they couldn't say that it wasn't really happening.
• 1:55:42
  SPEAKER_38: But you never heard anything about uh Senator Klobuchar.
• 1:55:44
  SPEAKER_38: Now she's claiming that she that fraud is bad.
• 1:55:48
  SPEAKER_38: That's how she said it at fraud is bad.
• 1:55:50
  SPEAKER_38: You know, she said it at I think it was farm fest.
• 1:55:53
  SPEAKER_38: And um, yeah, it's bad.
• 1:55:54
  SPEAKER_38: It's a theft of our dollars, and it's time to do more than just talk, which is what I want to do as governor, choosing commissioners that will be held accountable, and it's gonna take a change in the party, uh, meaning me as governor, not another Democrat as governor, to be able to clean house in the way that it needs to be.
• 1:56:14
  SPEAKER_38: There is uh there are layers of bureaucracy that are gonna have to be cleaned up with this in every agency.
• 1:56:20
  SPEAKER_38: I will say, being at FarmFest, uh the ag department is the one that has minimal fraud.
• 1:56:26
  SPEAKER_38: And when they had uh Office of Legislative Auditor reports that made some suggestions, they actually took those to heart and did that.
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_38: You look at all the other agencies, and the response to those reports are usually we disagree with the report.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_04: Well, and to your credit, too, uh, David Hoke, who's worked with Nick Shirley in exposing this on the, you know, on the social media level in terms of the fraud, um, he actually threw his support behind you recently, right?
• 1:56:50
  SPEAKER_38: He did, yes.
• 1:56:51
  SPEAKER_38: I was really grateful.
• 1:56:52
  SPEAKER_38: I think uh what David Hoke and Nick Shirley did here in the state of Minnesota, exposing the fraud that it could no longer be ignored by the nation really, um, set us on a trajectory to finally change this.
• 1:57:04
  SPEAKER_38: I was grateful uh over the last few days to receive the the uh endorsement from David Hoke.
• 1:57:10
  SPEAKER_38: He said that you're the only one that can do this.
• 1:57:12
  SPEAKER_38: I fully am endorsing you for governor.
• 1:57:14
  SPEAKER_04: Let's lightning around a few things, uh a few items here.
• 1:57:17
  SPEAKER_04: First off, I had a uh I had a blast that rolled in from a friend of the show, Lori, um, at the start of the show when I was uh promoting your appearance uh today.
• 1:57:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and they were wondering, you know, we haven't talked much about the Met Council in a long, in a in a long time.
• 1:57:31
  SPEAKER_04: Uh they seem to be flying under the radar while they still go and spend money on things like light rail, but they've certainly been a thorn in the in the side of Minnesota for a long time, even if they haven't been dominating uh headlines.
• 1:57:43
  SPEAKER_04: Uh thoughts on the Met Council, if you were to be governor, uh anything that you would like to do with the Met Council given that position.
• 1:57:51
  SPEAKER_38: I think when you look at how the Met Council started years ago, you know, looking at wanting to make sure there was uh sewer and, you know, the things that made sense and where they have grown now.
• 1:58:00
  SPEAKER_38: This is a perfect example of uh a council that is unelected and appointed under Democrat control for over 16 years.
• 1:58:10
  SPEAKER_38: Too long of Democrat control has allowed this explosion with very, very little oversight or accountability.
• 1:58:17
  SPEAKER_38: I think it's time to look at the purposeful use of the Met Council.
• 1:58:21
  SPEAKER_38: Are they still serving the purpose, or is it time to look at reimagine or disband?
• 1:58:26
  SPEAKER_04: Let's talk uh for uh just a moment about one of the other gubernatorial candidates, uh Mike Lindell.
• 1:58:33
  SPEAKER_04: I'm curious, um, were you frustrated that President Donald Trump threw his um his endorsement behind uh Mike Lindell's campaign?
• 1:58:40
  SPEAKER_38: I was surprised when that came out.
• 1:58:42
  SPEAKER_38: It came out early on a weekday morning, very, very early.
• 1:58:45
  SPEAKER_38: But they have a friendship.
• 1:58:47
  SPEAKER_38: And so if that was a friend-to-friend endorsing without really looking at the uh the depth of the political climate here, um, I think maybe that is the direction it took.
• 1:58:57
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, we knew that could happen, uh, but it did.
• 1:59:00
  SPEAKER_38: And I think what we've seen from that particular candidate uh now going forward uh with an amnesty plan and all of these other things that have to be.
• 1:59:09
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe my next question for you.
• 1:59:10
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, and then having to walk that back.
• 1:59:12
  SPEAKER_38: But when you're gonna have people that have chosen to come here illegally, that is breaking our law.
• 1:59:18
  SPEAKER_38: And so instead of rewarding that behavior, I would be the first one to stay say at a federal level, we need changes with our immigration law.
• 1:59:26
  SPEAKER_38: But that is a federal level.
• 1:59:27
  SPEAKER_38: That is not anything a governor can do.
• 1:59:29
  SPEAKER_38: And I have fought over the last two years to change things here in the state of Minnesota to the best of my ability.
• 1:59:36
  SPEAKER_38: So remember, one half of one-third of state government, we ended taxpayer funding of illegal immigrant health care and did more to reduce our spending.
• 1:59:46
  SPEAKER_38: Minnesota cannot be that magnet for illegal immigration.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_38: And so I think that other candidate is really off the mark.
• 1:59:52
  SPEAKER_38: And we've seen and heard that across the state.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_04: Well, let me add one more little element to this.
• 1:59:57
  SPEAKER_04: What do you say to those um potential voters who, you know, take President Donald Trump's in endorsement incredibly seriously?
• 2:00:07
  SPEAKER_04: And they may be thinking, well, you know, Trump endorsed, you know, him and I want to roll with that.
• 2:00:12
  SPEAKER_04: How do you reach out to those, to those particular individuals to say, no, I'm the I'm the better choice in your mind?
• 2:00:17
  SPEAKER_38: Yeah, and and I've had some of those conversations as I've been around the state since that endorsement, and then especially since the amnesty plan.
• 2:00:25
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, and my grassroots callers have had some of those same conversations.
• 2:00:28
  SPEAKER_38: And I think when people have the conversation and they look at the depth of it and the difference between uh what I have already done for Minnesota and what I intend to do for Minnesota, having that conversation, they can take the president's endorsement, but then they can look at where we need to go.
• 2:00:46
  SPEAKER_38: And I know we have changed some voters.
• 2:00:49
  SPEAKER_04: Lastly, and I've been doing uh this little exercise with uh all of our uh candidates.
• 2:00:55
  SPEAKER_04: So at uh AmericanExperiment.org, uh, we've put together uh a list of how Minnesota's been on the wrong track.
• 2:01:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um these are essentially uh five or six indisputable claims.
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_04: These are all backed up by facts, and you can go to americanexperiment.org and see all the data points relating to why these are all true statements.
• 2:01:12
  SPEAKER_04: First off, we do know that a majority of Minnesotans, some 68%, believe that we're on the wrong track.
• 2:01:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but let me run through the list and then uh gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damath, you can basically choose your own adventure, which one that you want to uh comment on as we wrap up our conversation this morning uh and head into uh hour three here on the John Justice Show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:01:33
  SPEAKER_04: So we have uh kids in Mississippi Can Read Better Than Kids in Minnesota.
• 2:01:37
  SPEAKER_04: Minnesota is now a below average state economically.
• 2:01:40
  SPEAKER_04: 55% of Minnesota students can't do math at a grade level.
• 2:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: Minnesota taxes small businesses more than any other state, and Minnesota's government let fraudsters steal over nine billion dollars.
• 2:01:52
  SPEAKER_04: Which one would you like to comment on?
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_38: Okay.
• 2:01:55
  SPEAKER_38: Choose your own adventure is what the the topic is, right?
• 2:01:59
  SPEAKER_38: I would choose, oh John.
• 2:02:01
  SPEAKER_38: I would choose all of the above.
• 2:02:03
  SPEAKER_38: Can I just give you a point on each one?
• 2:02:05
  SPEAKER_38: Go go for it.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_38: Go for it.
• 2:02:06
  SPEAKER_38: You get them.
• 2:02:07
  SPEAKER_38: First one, um, Minnesota kids are underperforming even compared to Mississippi kids reading.
• 2:02:13
  SPEAKER_38: Um, in the legislature, we did something called the science of reading or the READ Act, improving uh our investment in literacy for schools.
• 2:02:22
  SPEAKER_38: That is what Mississippi did.
• 2:02:23
  SPEAKER_38: We never should have gone away from that.
• 2:02:24
  SPEAKER_38: I've already proven that we can improve literacy scores by investing in the right way.
• 2:02:29
  SPEAKER_38: I want to see more of that.
• 2:02:30
  SPEAKER_38: Investing better in literacy.
• 2:02:32
  SPEAKER_38: Um, so that's what I would say about that comparison.
• 2:02:34
  SPEAKER_38: Second one.
• 2:02:35
  SPEAKER_38: What's your second one?
• 2:02:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, Minnesota is now below average state economically.
• 2:02:39
  SPEAKER_38: Economically, it means that our dollars have been lost in fraud.
• 2:02:42
  SPEAKER_38: Uh, we have seen people that can leave the state with wealth do so.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_38: The best thing we can do to improve our economic outcome here is reduce our permitting, reduce our regulation, still keeping businesses and people safe, uh, reducing our taxes, ending fraud, and giving incentives so people want to both start, choose, and thrive in business here in Minnesota.
• 2:03:04
  SPEAKER_04: 55% of Minnesota students can't do math at a grade level.
• 2:03:07
  SPEAKER_38: It is time to really get down to the basics on every part of our education.
• 2:03:10
  SPEAKER_38: Yes, reading first.
• 2:03:11
  SPEAKER_38: Kids need to know how to read first because first they learn to read, then they read to learn, and we have to focus on that.
• 2:03:18
  SPEAKER_38: Has to start with the basics, but making sure that our educators coming out of our universities are ready to educate kids and not teach them ideology.
• 2:03:28
  SPEAKER_38: And we have to get back to good, solid teaching practices, empowering schools at a local level because local control is the best way we can do things.
• 2:03:37
  SPEAKER_04: We tax small businesses more than any other state.
• 2:03:39
  SPEAKER_38: Um we need to reduce taxes on every single level, including our small businesses.
• 2:03:43
  SPEAKER_38: Think those mom and pop shops that maybe want to just just have a business and and grow that business.
• 2:03:49
  SPEAKER_38: The other thing we have to do is we have to make it easier for businesses to be transferred, that transfer of wealth or business, both in agriculture, in other businesses, so small businesses, medium businesses, large, we can't tax people out of wanting to get those to the next generation if it's family members are moving forward.
• 2:04:07
  SPEAKER_04: And of course, we've talked a bunch about this, but Minnesota's government led fraudster steal nine million, uh$9 billion.
• 2:04:13
  SPEAKER_04: And I think you and I both know it's probably a lot more.
• 2:04:15
  SPEAKER_38: It probably is.
• 2:04:16
  SPEAKER_38: And every time I say, you know, there's nine or ten billion dollars of fraud, and I'll have Democrats come back at me and say, it's not that, it's only whatever.
• 2:04:24
  SPEAKER_38: And my question for them is how much fraud is okay?
• 2:04:27
  SPEAKER_38: Because in my mind, no fraud is okay here in the state.
• 2:04:30
  SPEAKER_04: Gubernatorial candidate Lisa Damath, uh, last uh words before I let you go and you head into uh primary day tomorrow.
• 2:04:36
  SPEAKER_04: I imagine the next uh 24 some odd hours are gonna be busy for you.
• 2:04:39
  SPEAKER_38: They are so good.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_38: I'm really excited as soon as soon as those polls close to know where we are at as a state.
• 2:04:45
  SPEAKER_38: I'm ready to defeat Amy Clovishar in November.
• 2:04:48
  SPEAKER_38: Looking forward to that.
• 2:04:49
  SPEAKER_38: Um, what I would say to your listeners, voters, if you have not voted, please do so.
• 2:04:54
  SPEAKER_38: Make sure that you're connecting with people in your circle.
• 2:04:58
  SPEAKER_38: Make sure they vote the primary matters just as much as the general.
• 2:05:01
  SPEAKER_04: Really enjoyed the uh conversation this morning.
• 2:05:03
  SPEAKER_04: Uh good luck in uh in the primary uh tomorrow.
• 2:05:06
  SPEAKER_04: It was great talking with you once again.
• 2:05:08
  SPEAKER_04: And uh and it means a lot that you came by.
• 2:05:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I really appreciate it.
• 2:05:10
  SPEAKER_38: Hey, thank you.
• 2:05:11
  SPEAKER_38: Wanted to see the new digs here, John.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_38: Thank you very much.
• 2:05:13
  SPEAKER_38: If people want more information, Lisa4mn.com, Lisa F-O-R-M-N.com.
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds great.
• 2:05:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, friend of the show, uh, Hank Long's been hanging off in the wing.
• 2:05:22
  SPEAKER_04: So hello, Hank.
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_04: Good to see you this morning.
• 2:05:24
  SPEAKER_04: Next time we got to get you on.
• 2:05:25
  SPEAKER_04: All right, coming up in just a moment.
• 2:05:27
  SPEAKER_04: I see her outside the studio.
• 2:05:28
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna welcome her in to the sofa here in the uh American Experiment uh studios.
• 2:05:33
  SPEAKER_04: We have Senate candidate Michelle Tofoya joining us next.
• 2:05:36
  SPEAKER_04: In the meantime, here's a few minutes commentary from Friend of the Show RNC committeeman A.K.
• 2:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: Kamara here on the John Justice Show, presented by American Experiment.
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  SPEAKER_06: This woman has had a a bunch of credible allegations going back years to when she worked for the city.
• 2:06:23
  SPEAKER_06: She's been doing this behavior, right?
• 2:06:25
  SPEAKER_06: This is the St.
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  SPEAKER_06: Paul Mayor who's now under investigation, and we'll get to the details here in a moment.
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  SPEAKER_06: She used to be with St.
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  SPEAKER_06: Paul working as staff, and she had this falling out with a friend who filed a harassment restraining order against her.
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  SPEAKER_04: So St.
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  SPEAKER_04: Paul Mayor Cowley Herr under investigation, sexual harassment following complaints from the uh police chief Henry Axtel.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh Henry, excuse me, Axel Henry.
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  SPEAKER_04: I get that reversed.
• 2:06:49
  SPEAKER_04: The investigation going on since April involves inappropriate text messages and other alleged incidents raising concerns about transparency and the use of personal devices for government business.
• 2:07:00
  SPEAKER_04: Her has stated her commitment to cooperating with the investigation.
• 2:07:03
  SPEAKER_04: What's interesting about her statement that she released on Wednesday, there was no denial at all.
• 2:07:09
  SPEAKER_04: She took the stance of, uh, people just don't understand my my humor, my sexy humor.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm adding the sexy part in, but it's what it is.
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  SPEAKER_06: There was just a video that went viral the other day of Nick Shirley talking to a woman in New York who had been sexually assaulted.
• 2:07:55
  SPEAKER_06: And she said, I would rather that that person doesn't spend the rest of their life in jail, and I don't have an answer of how to do that.
• 2:08:03
  SPEAKER_06: But I don't even think they should even go to jail because our jail system is so messed up.
• 2:08:07
  SPEAKER_06: And he was like, Well, then how do you stop it from happening?
• 2:08:09
  SPEAKER_06: Well, I I don't really have an answer.
• 2:08:11
  SPEAKER_06: Go back to Mayor Lynch, you know, mayor mayor of whatever county is.
• 2:08:15
  SPEAKER_06: Is that the same type of logic can be employed that you're looking at, well, they they were convicted and they're gonna have to wear that mark.
• 2:08:24
  SPEAKER_06: But really, do we think it's fair that we would send this person to another country because of this?
• 2:08:29
  SPEAKER_06: And to me, that type of suicidal empathy leads to the destruction of our society.
• 2:08:35
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• 2:08:36
  SPEAKER_23: Black and Hispanic students in Mississippi perform better in reading and math than black and Hispanic students in Minnesota.
• 2:08:43
  SPEAKER_23: And Mississippi spends thousands of dollars less per student than Minnesota.
• 2:08:47
  SPEAKER_23: Mississippi spends less money, gets better results, and their achievement gaps are closing, while ours are getting worse.
• 2:08:54
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  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 2:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, I tell you what, I not much keeps me up at night, to be honest with you.
• 2:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: The one thing that gets me excited when I think about this uh this election cycle on the map is Minnesota.
• 2:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: I think Minnesota, we have a real shot with Michelle Tafoya.
• 2:09:48
  SPEAKER_01: She has done a really good job on the show.
• 2:09:51
  SPEAKER_01: She's uh we just did an event for her.
• 2:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: We've done two events for her recently, one in the state and and one a national call for our for the donors.
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_01: What we know with our question is she is within a point of the lieutenant governor uh right now.
• 2:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: So if we can continue to let her show the contrast between the two candidates, I think Michelle Tefoy is the kind of Republican that go in.
• 2:10:09
  SPEAKER_01: You can get pickup seats.
• 2:10:11
  SPEAKER_01: I think we could have a 54-seat majority.
• 2:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, not 46, not for not 53.
• 2:10:16
  SPEAKER_04: That was uh NRSC chairman uh Tim Scott talking about his hopes for Michelle Tefoy in this uh Senate race here in Minnesota.
• 2:10:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I am very pleased to welcome to the sofa here at the American Experiment Studios.
• 2:10:28
  SPEAKER_04: We do have Michelle Tefoya.
• 2:10:29
  SPEAKER_04: Good morning, Michelle.
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for joining the show today.
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: I greatly appreciate it.
• 2:10:36
  SPEAKER_12: This is great.
• 2:10:37
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 2:10:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um thank you for the kind words.
• 2:10:39
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it certainly has been a uh a roller coaster uh month for the show.
• 2:10:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but a fantastic opportunity timing-wise with the primary tomorrow, with all the guests, uh, and of course being able to invite you in ahead of tomorrow.
• 2:10:51
  SPEAKER_04: Let's just start there.
• 2:10:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um, polls look really good for your race.
• 2:10:55
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you've obviously been working hard.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_04: Once you're confident level heading into heading into tomorrow.
• 2:11:00
  SPEAKER_12: I never count my chickens before they're hatched.
• 2:11:03
  SPEAKER_12: I just never have, I and I won't.
• 2:11:05
  SPEAKER_12: And we're gonna run through the tape and and continue to work here today as hard as we can.
• 2:11:09
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, I'd like to sit here and tell you, yeah, we feel great.
• 2:11:12
  SPEAKER_12: And and I'm optimistic, um, but we're gonna continue to work hard.
• 2:11:16
  SPEAKER_12: It's the only thing that I know how to do.
• 2:11:18
  SPEAKER_12: And it's amazing the harder I work, John, the luckier I get.
• 2:11:21
  SPEAKER_04: Did you anticipate the level of national attention uh that the race is receiving?
• 2:11:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like, would did you anticipate this when you decided to to run for Senate?
• 2:11:33
  SPEAKER_12: You know, I think um it's it's kind of like Jay Feely and others who are running for office across the country that when you've been on a national stage, you've been in the national spotlight, there might be a little bit more attention.
• 2:11:44
  SPEAKER_12: But this race, I think, is gonna get even more attention starting tomorrow.
• 2:11:48
  SPEAKER_12: This is a race that Republicans can win here in Minnesota.
• 2:11:51
  SPEAKER_12: We intend to for the first time in 20 years.
• 2:11:54
  SPEAKER_12: And that's gonna be a story nationally, and and we firmly are uh planning on making it so.
• 2:11:59
  SPEAKER_12: We We think, you know, people look at Minnesota and they say, ah, they didn't even vote for Reagan.
• 2:12:04
  SPEAKER_12: Well, there's a reason Minnesota didn't vote for Reagan, if you recall.
• 2:12:07
  SPEAKER_12: There was a Minnesotan running against Ronald Reagan.
• 2:12:10
  SPEAKER_12: So, you know, this state has it's it's a purple state.
• 2:12:14
  SPEAKER_12: I really believe that.
• 2:12:15
  SPEAKER_12: I believe if people come out in the way that they're talking about it, um, this is going to be an even bigger story come tomorrow.
• 2:12:21
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if you were to be victorious in the primary uh tomorrow, what's more important in in your mind?
• 2:12:30
  SPEAKER_04: Is it increasing the GOP turnout or is it uh connecting with those potential crossover Democrat voters and independents?
• 2:12:40
  SPEAKER_04: Where is your where is your focus?
• 2:12:41
  SPEAKER_12: All of the above.
• 2:12:43
  SPEAKER_12: It has to be all of the above.
• 2:12:45
  SPEAKER_12: We have to have every Republican come out and vote for us.
• 2:12:48
  SPEAKER_12: And I've already talked to Democrats who were ready to vote for us.
• 2:12:52
  SPEAKER_12: Look, and certainly independents as well.
• 2:12:55
  SPEAKER_12: We cannot continue to keep hiring or electing the same people who brought massive fraud to this state, who brought us to this place of national embarrassment.
• 2:13:05
  SPEAKER_12: I don't think people want to keep electing these establishment politicians who have driven crime rates up and driven test scores down.
• 2:13:14
  SPEAKER_12: And I and I don't think we want to be showing our kids, hey, accountability is just an option.
• 2:13:18
  SPEAKER_12: Don't worry about it, you know, that these people who have done all this should continue to get promoted rather than be held accountable.
• 2:13:26
  SPEAKER_12: We need responsible leadership.
• 2:13:28
  SPEAKER_12: We need transparency, we need truth, we need people with courage to fight, and that's what I'm gonna do.
• 2:13:34
  SPEAKER_12: And I think we're gonna bring a a lot of people across party lines.
• 2:13:39
  SPEAKER_04: Does it matter to you who wins on the Democrat side tomorrow between Flanagan and Craig?
• 2:13:44
  SPEAKER_12: I whenever people ask me this question, and I get asked a lot, I'm sure you do.
• 2:13:48
  SPEAKER_12: But you know what it reminds me of?
• 2:13:50
  SPEAKER_12: I can picture myself on an NBA basketball court after the Lakers have beat their first round opponent in the playoffs, and I'm interviewing Phil Jackson or whoever the coach is at the time, and I say, Coach, who would you rather face in the next round?
• 2:14:04
  SPEAKER_12: The Spurs or the Nuggets?
• 2:14:05
  SPEAKER_12: And they look at me and they go, We're gonna play whoever we have to play.
• 2:14:08
  SPEAKER_12: So that's how I feel.
• 2:14:10
  SPEAKER_04: How has Michelle Tefoya changed since you first announced and started running?
• 2:14:18
  SPEAKER_04: And you sitting down on the Center of the American experiment sofa today.
• 2:14:24
  SPEAKER_04: Is there a difference in in mindset?
• 2:14:26
  SPEAKER_04: Is there a difference in strategy since you first started?
• 2:14:30
  SPEAKER_04: I'm always fascinated to learn just how campaigns develop throughout the course of a campaign.
• 2:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just curious, you know, how things were when you started compared to how they are now for you.
• 2:14:41
  SPEAKER_12: You know, I think you get a thicker skin every day you're alive and and that you ask for adversity to come your way.
• 2:14:47
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm stepping into the adversity.
• 2:14:50
  SPEAKER_12: You know, I I there's a stoic saying that it's it's a shame if people don't look for or embrace adversity in their lives or challenges, because then you never know what you're made of.
• 2:15:00
  SPEAKER_12: And so I am finding out what I'm made of, and I'm stronger than I realized.
• 2:15:05
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, I've learned that through my career as well.
• 2:15:07
  SPEAKER_12: You go through a lot of ups and downs.
• 2:15:09
  SPEAKER_12: And this career of mine was full of up and downs.
• 2:15:12
  SPEAKER_12: And now this endeavor, which uh has very little to do with me and more to do with Minnesota, but it has taught me a lot about myself.
• 2:15:21
  SPEAKER_12: It's taught me a lot about this state.
• 2:15:23
  SPEAKER_12: And the one thing, the one perspective that has continued to broaden and evolve is I I think unless you get around all the corners of Minnesota, you tend to forget how beautiful this state is, how amazing the people are, what the spirit of Minnesota is all about.
• 2:15:42
  SPEAKER_12: And it has just um made me that much more determined.
• 2:15:46
  SPEAKER_04: It it it it sounds like um, and if I'm reading into this, please feel free to, you know, feel free to challenge me on it.
• 2:15:52
  SPEAKER_04: But um it sounds like maybe it was more of a perspective uh shift.
• 2:15:57
  SPEAKER_04: Do you did have you found, Michelle Tafoya, that your your desire to run has changed?
• 2:16:04
  SPEAKER_04: Like the reason why you got in may be different than um than why you're running now?
• 2:16:11
  SPEAKER_12: No, I will push back.
• 2:16:12
  SPEAKER_12: It's only reinforced it.
• 2:16:13
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 2:16:13
  SPEAKER_12: It's reinforced it.
• 2:16:15
  SPEAKER_12: Okay.
• 2:16:15
  SPEAKER_12: Look, when you're sitting by and you're watching the state that you love, the place where you met and fell in love with your husband, in my case, my spouse, my husband, the place where you raised your kids, the place where I grew my career from the roots on up to the trunk to the branches, and you see it become a national embarrassment.
• 2:16:36
  SPEAKER_12: And you talk to voters out there who say, Jeepers, I traveled this summer and people ask me where I'm from, and I don't want to tell them because it's too embarrassing.
• 2:16:46
  SPEAKER_12: And I I hear that a lot, John.
• 2:16:48
  SPEAKER_12: I, you know, I heard it a couple of times and I thought, oh, that's anecdotal.
• 2:16:51
  SPEAKER_12: I hear it all the time.
• 2:16:53
  SPEAKER_12: So when you the place you love is becoming the butt of a national joke, you want to stand up and you want to help and you want to make a difference.
• 2:17:02
  SPEAKER_12: And that's why I'm doing this.
• 2:17:03
  SPEAKER_04: What were your biggest takeaways from uh from FarmFest and being on the on the debate uh stage, not just with uh your potential Democrat opponents, but also those who you face in tomorrow's primary?
• 2:17:14
  SPEAKER_12: I think my biggest takeaway from Farmfest was all of the walking around that I did.
• 2:17:19
  SPEAKER_12: It had less to do with that moment in in the forum and more to do with talking with the Farm Bureau and the Corn Growers Association and individual farmers.
• 2:17:28
  SPEAKER_12: And I there was one conversation in particular that I want to highlight from that weekend.
• 2:17:34
  SPEAKER_12: There was a guy there who said, I have farming uh interests in six different states, and they included New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, I think Iowa, and maybe South Dakota.
• 2:17:47
  SPEAKER_12: And I said, Well, which one is the easiest one to deal with?
• 2:17:50
  SPEAKER_12: And he said, Arizona.
• 2:17:52
  SPEAKER_12: They have a list of rules, and I check off the rules, and as long as I don't break the rules, I'm good.
• 2:17:57
  SPEAKER_12: I'm operating, I'm doing my deal, I'm bringing in my revenue.
• 2:18:00
  SPEAKER_12: I said, which one's the toughest one to deal with as a business?
• 2:18:03
  SPEAKER_12: Minnesota.
• 2:18:05
  SPEAKER_12: Hands down.
• 2:18:06
  SPEAKER_12: The hoops that we have to jump through continuously.
• 2:18:08
  SPEAKER_12: And he said, and to expand here, to get a permit here to expand, I've got to jump through those hoops.
• 2:18:14
  SPEAKER_12: Then I don't know.
• 2:18:14
  SPEAKER_12: Am I gonna get a permit in 14 months or six years?
• 2:18:18
  SPEAKER_12: I don't know.
• 2:18:19
  SPEAKER_12: And that uncertainty is something I can't deal with.
• 2:18:21
  SPEAKER_12: So I'm I'm not expanding here.
• 2:18:23
  SPEAKER_12: I'm taking business elsewhere.
• 2:18:24
  SPEAKER_12: I hear that not just from the agriculture community, John.
• 2:18:27
  SPEAKER_12: I hear it from small businesses all over the state who will not expand here because either the regulations are too burdensome, the tax is too punitive, or it's just so much easier and friendlier to go to Wisconsin, Iowa, or South Dakota or North Dakota.
• 2:18:42
  SPEAKER_04: As senator, uh, how do you go about approaching tackling those particular issues as we talk with uh uh Senate candidate Michelle Tefoya here on The John Justice Show?
• 2:18:52
  SPEAKER_12: Well, I think there are leave levers that can be pulled in the federal government.
• 2:18:55
  SPEAKER_12: You know, you you say no to the death tax, uh, you protect step-up values for farmers' step-ups.
• 2:19:01
  SPEAKER_12: Um, and and you try uh look, I hate to keep coming back to fraud, but we got to keep coming back to fraud because we have lost so much money in this state.
• 2:19:13
  SPEAKER_12: And so, yeah, taxes are gonna go up.
• 2:19:15
  SPEAKER_12: That's a surcharge on the fraud, folks.
• 2:19:17
  SPEAKER_12: When you lose that much money, how are you gonna regain it?
• 2:19:20
  SPEAKER_12: Because it's not coming back from wherever it went.
• 2:19:23
  SPEAKER_12: It is not, sadly.
• 2:19:24
  SPEAKER_12: And we can try and maybe we'll get a few hundred thousand dollars uh or a few million, but it's not coming back.
• 2:19:29
  SPEAKER_12: So taxes are way too high.
• 2:19:31
  SPEAKER_12: There are there are influences that you can make from the federal government.
• 2:19:35
  SPEAKER_12: You can say to Minnesota and every other state in the country, if you don't upfront have fraud prevention uh, you know, pieces in place for this federal program, and you want federal dollars and you don't have a way to address fraud, and you have a you know a track record that shows you haven't addressed fraud and there are no guardrails in place, you're not getting the federal dollars.
• 2:19:58
  SPEAKER_12: So get your act together and get these things to where you're not gonna be losing people's money and be careless with it.
• 2:20:04
  SPEAKER_12: Stewardship matters.
• 2:20:06
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have, oh, how do I get like I have the question in my mind that's got to phrase it correctly, right?
• 2:20:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I should be able to.
• 2:20:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm a talk show host.
• 2:20:15
  SPEAKER_04: Do you have concerns in the back of your mind?
• 2:20:18
  SPEAKER_04: Were you to become senator?
• 2:20:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like, is there an aspect of that job that's kind of back there going, I want to do this, I've committed to doing this, my, you know, my spouse is on board with this.
• 2:20:29
  SPEAKER_04: But is there something in the back of your head that go that you go, this aspect of that particular job is concerning or distressing, and maybe not quite that extreme.
• 2:20:37
  SPEAKER_04: But is there is there any sort of negative externalities attached to the role in your mind?
• 2:20:41
  SPEAKER_12: Every job on planet Earth has its pros and cons, right?
• 2:20:45
  SPEAKER_12: Even as everyone thought working on Sunday night football and Monday night football all those years was the most glamorous thing in the world.
• 2:20:52
  SPEAKER_12: It wasn't?
• 2:20:53
  SPEAKER_12: It was a lot of work.
• 2:20:55
  SPEAKER_04: Just like radio, it's the best ever.
• 2:20:57
  SPEAKER_12: It was a lot of work.
• 2:20:59
  SPEAKER_12: That's what I'm built for.
• 2:21:00
  SPEAKER_12: I'm built for work.
• 2:21:01
  SPEAKER_12: But I'll tell you what the the drawback was with that job, and it will be with any job that I pursue because I I don't take work lightly.
• 2:21:09
  SPEAKER_12: If I'm gonna get in, I'm jumping in with both feet.
• 2:21:12
  SPEAKER_12: And I have two kids, and I've missed a lot of baseball games, I've missed soccer tournaments, I missed my daughter's prom this year.
• 2:21:20
  SPEAKER_12: I was up in uh in Brainerd uh at a convention while she was getting dressed for her prom.
• 2:21:26
  SPEAKER_12: Those things are tough as a mom, especially a mom who struggled so hard to have kids in the first place.
• 2:21:32
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 2:21:32
  SPEAKER_12: And they are my treasures.
• 2:21:34
  SPEAKER_12: And I I don't like missing those big moments.
• 2:21:37
  SPEAKER_12: But we make our own big moments at other times.
• 2:21:40
  SPEAKER_12: We have found ways, and they understand um that I'm doing this for them.
• 2:21:44
  SPEAKER_12: I'm doing this for all of Minnesota.
• 2:21:46
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's interesting you bring that up.
• 2:21:48
  SPEAKER_04: I want to bring in uh a little pop culture reference.
• 2:21:50
  SPEAKER_04: Uh have you watched have you watched Ted Lasso at all?
• 2:21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yes.
• 2:21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, have you seen the the the the the latest first episode of the of the USD?
• 2:21:56
  SPEAKER_04: Not yet.
• 2:21:57
  SPEAKER_12: We're waiting.
• 2:21:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so it's got um I'm gonna spoil a little bit for you, but um you know, Ted Lasso has got that woke element to it.
• 2:22:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um I'm able to brush it aside.
• 2:22:05
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'm built better for doing that.
• 2:22:07
  SPEAKER_04: My wife, not so much.
• 2:22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:22:08
  SPEAKER_04: So call it out the moment we see it, you know.
• 2:22:10
  SPEAKER_04: I and I love it, she does.
• 2:22:12
  SPEAKER_04: But there's a moment in Ted Lasso where he's struggling with making a decision, and this was in the trailers, uh, to go back to continue coaching.
• 2:22:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but he's developed this relationship with his son.
• 2:22:24
  SPEAKER_04: And the aspect of it uh was he wants to stay behind because he wants to have that connection with his son.
• 2:22:31
  SPEAKER_04: But you can see the son is visibly disappointed.
• 2:22:34
  SPEAKER_04: And it's something that I hadn't really thought about because the takeaway was the son wants to see his father happy and wants to see his father doing something.
• 2:22:43
  SPEAKER_04: They want to see they're they're desperate for that leadership, they're desperate for that mentorship.
• 2:22:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I thought it was a re it was really clever storytelling, but it is it is very true.
• 2:22:54
  SPEAKER_04: You know, as a father myself of a 19 and 24 year old four-year-old, I absolutely know what you're what you're talking about.
• 2:23:01
  SPEAKER_04: But it was a good reminder, too, that it's important for kids to see that leadership within their parents because unfortunately in this country right now, too many kids are not seeing that leadership.
• 2:23:11
  SPEAKER_12: That's exactly right.
• 2:23:12
  SPEAKER_12: That's exactly right.
• 2:23:13
  SPEAKER_12: And they know why I'm doing this, and we made that very clear and we had very long conversations, meaningful conversations.
• 2:23:19
  SPEAKER_12: And it's part of why I waited until this year.
• 2:23:22
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, I've I've been asked to run for office here in Minnesota for years and years.
• 2:23:26
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, this timing was right because they are old enough and they do understand, and I think they really appreciate it.
• 2:23:32
  SPEAKER_12: I thought, I thought that they were gonna be a certain amount of mortified, you know.
• 2:23:37
  SPEAKER_12: And then one day my son asked, Hey, my guys at school, they want t-shirts.
• 2:23:41
  SPEAKER_12: They want Michelle to Foyer for Senate t-shirts.
• 2:23:43
  SPEAKER_12: I'm like, they do?
• 2:23:44
  SPEAKER_12: And so, you know, stuff like that that you go, wow, okay.
• 2:23:48
  SPEAKER_12: So, but but more than that, I mean, yes, I I see the world through the eyes of my kids to a certain extent.
• 2:23:54
  SPEAKER_12: I want to leave it better than I found it.
• 2:23:57
  SPEAKER_12: We I think everyone kind of has that feeling.
• 2:23:59
  SPEAKER_29: Yeah.
• 2:24:00
  SPEAKER_12: And uh so you asked the question that those those misses are hard, but can I tell you how many Christmases and Thanksgivings I missed covering the NFL and the NBA?
• 2:24:10
  SPEAKER_12: But we found different ways to celebrate in our own little family uh, you know, settings, and and we'll do that again.
• 2:24:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's been a lot written about the Senate race uh here in Minnesota.
• 2:24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it is, you know, one of the most uh closely watched uh races.
• 2:24:29
  SPEAKER_04: What I want to do is I have a couple of articles here.
• 2:24:31
  SPEAKER_04: I want to run through some of the quotes from the article and some of the other candidates and just get your response to them.
• 2:24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um we'll start here.
• 2:24:38
  SPEAKER_04: Uh former Navy SEAL Adam Schwarze, he was the endorsed Republican candidate coming out of the convention in Duluth a few months ago, uh, trying to overcome uh your, you know, popularity within the race and the polling numbers.
• 2:24:50
  SPEAKER_04: He had a pitch on Sunday and he framed this as a battle over identity of the party.
• 2:24:54
  SPEAKER_04: He said Minnesota Republican values are on the ballot.
• 2:24:57
  SPEAKER_04: He described the primary as a contrast of values never before uh in the Republican primary.
• 2:25:02
  SPEAKER_04: And he framed his campaign as a grassroots effort uh battling Washington uh influence.
• 2:25:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um do you see it from that same perspective?
• 2:25:10
  SPEAKER_04: And what is your response to uh to a quote like that?
• 2:25:13
  SPEAKER_12: I think there are a lot of there's a wide variety of values in the Republican Party here in Minnesota.
• 2:25:18
  SPEAKER_12: And I know I represent a lot of them, obviously.
• 2:25:21
  SPEAKER_12: Um look, our message is resonating because we've had amazing fundraising.
• 2:25:26
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm talking everyone from a donation of 35 cents, which just warmed my heart.
• 2:25:33
  SPEAKER_12: I can't even describe it.
• 2:25:34
  SPEAKER_12: How did that come about?
• 2:25:35
  SPEAKER_12: Oh, it just, you know, I was looking through the the list of people who donated in the amount, and I saw a 35 cent donation.
• 2:25:41
  SPEAKER_12: And, you know, or I'll be at a meet and greet, and someone will hand me a$10 bill.
• 2:25:45
  SPEAKER_12: And I think they want to support this is what they got, and this is what they're doing to show it.
• 2:25:50
  SPEAKER_12: So I believe that there are a lot of Republicans uh with whom I share a lot of values.
• 2:25:55
  SPEAKER_12: There's a lot of crossover.
• 2:25:56
  SPEAKER_12: I don't think any party, certainly look at the Democrat Party, they are having a Fisher like we can't believe.
• 2:26:02
  SPEAKER_12: We don't all agree on a hundred percent of anything.
• 2:26:06
  SPEAKER_12: But uh as uh Buckley used to say, and I think Russ Limbaugh said it too, you find the most conservative candidate who can win.
• 2:26:14
  SPEAKER_12: And we have the polling and the fundraising to show that we can do that.
• 2:26:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there's an interesting dynamic forming, too.
• 2:26:20
  SPEAKER_04: I want to get to something in this Minnesota Star Tribune uh article as I continue my conversation with Senate candidate Michelle Tefoya here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment.
• 2:26:29
  SPEAKER_04: But you've seen the Democrats taking, and I was talking with Andrew Langer about this in the first hour of the show, you see them taking this.
• 2:26:35
  SPEAKER_04: We're a big tent party stance with regard to the Democrat socialists in the party.
• 2:26:39
  SPEAKER_04: When the reality is it's really the Republican Party that's becoming the big tent party.
• 2:26:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think there's a a long way that we need to go as a party to not tear each other down.
• 2:26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Of course, especially when it comes to primaries and understand people support candidates for different reasons.
• 2:26:58
  SPEAKER_04: It's all subjective.
• 2:26:59
  SPEAKER_04: Also, when it comes to, you know, views on particular issues that are very important to people.
• 2:27:03
  SPEAKER_04: And we'll talk about one of those in just a moment.
• 2:27:05
  SPEAKER_04: But it feels as if um, you know, the the Democrat Party wants to lay claim to this Big Tent title when the reality is no, they're actually through how radical they've become, they're taking the GOP into a larger uh Big Tent party.
• 2:27:20
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think there's some some truth in that?
• 2:27:22
  SPEAKER_12: I do because I hear from these Democrats who say, I I feel like I'm without a home now.
• 2:27:28
  SPEAKER_12: Um, because if we're going to accept that Democrat socialist and that extremist like El Sayed in Michigan, uh that's just one example.
• 2:27:36
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, Mam Dani in New York is the central example of where the party has gone.
• 2:27:41
  SPEAKER_12: And so, yeah, a lot of these uh Democrats feel like they are without a political home.
• 2:27:45
  SPEAKER_12: Come on over here.
• 2:27:47
  SPEAKER_12: Um you know, it's no group is gonna agree on 100% of the things, but we think we share a lot of Americans' values.
• 2:27:56
  SPEAKER_04: This was in um the Star Tribune this morning, uh lengthy piece.
• 2:28:00
  SPEAKER_04: A Minnesota GOP grapples with familiar divide in Tuesday Senate primary.
• 2:28:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know, they're such a fair publication.
• 2:28:07
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:28:08
  SPEAKER_04: They're so even, they're so even keel all the time, right?
• 2:28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:28:11
  SPEAKER_04: My gosh, talk about a leading headline.
• 2:28:13
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 2:28:13
  SPEAKER_04: They write this, though.
• 2:28:14
  SPEAKER_04: They say uh Tefoya is a national name and is probably the only Minnesota Republican in the Senate who has the capacity to run a well-funded campaign.
• 2:28:23
  SPEAKER_04: This is according to uh Kyle Condic, managing editor at Sabote's Crystal Ball uh at the uh University of Virginia Center for Politics.
• 2:28:31
  SPEAKER_04: So there's just credibility.
• 2:28:33
  SPEAKER_04: Um, she has some views that are more moderate than many Republican candidates, which will help in a general election, he said.
• 2:28:41
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Tefoya supports abortion access up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, has long described herself as pro-choice.
• 2:28:47
  SPEAKER_04: We've, of course, talked about this issue before when we've talked.
• 2:28:50
  SPEAKER_04: It's been a while since we've uh we've discussed it, though, and I know that this is still an issue that's on the hearts and minds of a lot of voters.
• 2:28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Can you give sort of a definitive on that?
• 2:28:58
  SPEAKER_04: And what do you say to those potential voters out there where that issue regarding abortion is a is a bridge too far because of their difference of opinion over it?
• 2:29:08
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 2:29:08
  SPEAKER_12: Well, uh, listen, I certainly respect everyone's opinion on this issue.
• 2:29:12
  SPEAKER_12: Uh I would say this, it's like you said, it's been known.
• 2:29:15
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, my personal stance is I'm running for a federal office, and this issue is now back at the state level, right?
• 2:29:22
  SPEAKER_12: Dobbs overturned Roe v.
• 2:29:24
  SPEAKER_12: Wade, made the issue a state-level issue.
• 2:29:27
  SPEAKER_12: And after that happened, um, Minnesota ran wild with it uh under their single party rule.
• 2:29:33
  SPEAKER_12: Uh, I am running for a federal office where this is not uh necessarily an issue that's gonna be voted on, but what I can say to those people is I will vote for conservative, strict constructionist judges.
• 2:29:45
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm gonna vote against taxpayer-funded abortion.
• 2:29:49
  SPEAKER_12: I don't believe that people who pay their taxes should be paying for that if they don't believe in it.
• 2:29:56
  SPEAKER_12: So why ask any American taxpayer to pay for that?
• 2:29:59
  SPEAKER_12: I I'm gonna vote against that.
• 2:30:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, out of curiosity, are you also going to declare yourself eligible for the WNBA draft?
• 2:30:07
  SPEAKER_04: If you were, you certainly would be more likely to be drafted than other individuals who have made such claims.
• 2:30:12
  SPEAKER_12: You know what?
• 2:30:12
  SPEAKER_12: I remember someone saying, well, what if a woman declared herself eligible for the NBA draft?
• 2:30:17
  SPEAKER_12: And I would say, go ahead, try.
• 2:30:19
  SPEAKER_12: You're not gonna get drafted because you can't compete with those guys.
• 2:30:22
  SPEAKER_12: This is different, and you you tend to see that more of this uh trans athlete and sport thing goes toward trans women, meaning biological men who now identify as women, coming into women's sports.
• 2:30:35
  SPEAKER_12: You don't see it going the other way.
• 2:30:36
  SPEAKER_12: No, because it can't.
• 2:30:39
  SPEAKER_12: You we we we watched World Cup soccer, we've watched the Olympic Games, we watched the NHL, we watched the NBA.
• 2:30:46
  SPEAKER_12: We know that there, if there's a woman out there who can compete in the NBA, God love her, let's go see what you know.
• 2:30:52
  SPEAKER_12: I remember the uproar when Annika Sorenstam wanted to wanted to compete on the PGA tour.
• 2:30:57
  SPEAKER_12: Um, look, this is very simple.
• 2:31:01
  SPEAKER_12: Men and women are different biologically, scientifically.
• 2:31:05
  SPEAKER_12: And uh so and and and I couldn't make it in the WNBA if I wanted to.
• 2:31:10
  SPEAKER_12: Maybe as a maybe as a manager, I could be there.
• 2:31:13
  SPEAKER_12: I got no game.
• 2:31:14
  SPEAKER_12: So um the WMBA is meeting a critical moment here.
• 2:31:20
  SPEAKER_12: And they have said we're inclusive.
• 2:31:23
  SPEAKER_12: And now some people like Ennis Cantor Freedom are pushing them on that.
• 2:31:26
  SPEAKER_12: Really?
• 2:31:27
  SPEAKER_12: You're inclusive?
• 2:31:28
  SPEAKER_12: All right.
• 2:31:28
  SPEAKER_12: I now identify as a woman and I want to try out for the WNBA.
• 2:31:32
  SPEAKER_12: Let's see what they do with that.
• 2:31:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, where do you think all this is gonna go?
• 2:31:34
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, Sophie Cunningham certainly brought the issue.
• 2:31:37
  SPEAKER_04: It seemed like it had kind of faded away.
• 2:31:39
  SPEAKER_04: We had some changes at the federal level, and it looked as if maybe we were done with this ridiculous nonsense.
• 2:31:45
  SPEAKER_04: Because uh, Michelle Tefoya, I still contend that you know the the issue of boys playing in girl sports is probably, you know, the most clearly what's the word term I want to use?
• 2:31:56
  SPEAKER_04: The Democrats, if they're gonna be wrong on an issue, they are uh just completely wrong on this one, and yet they've been able to take advantage of it.
• 2:32:02
  SPEAKER_04: But where do you think this is this is gonna go?
• 2:32:04
  SPEAKER_12: The reason they've been able to take advantage of it is because instead of arguing the science and the fairness and the um the truth of the the the argument, they just call you names.
• 2:32:15
  SPEAKER_12: And they've done that with Sophie Cunningham, and they've done it with my friend Jennifer Say, who's the head of XXXY Athletics, and they've done it with Riley Gaines, and they've done it with Sage Steele, and they've done it with me.
• 2:32:25
  SPEAKER_12: They just call you, oh, you're you're just a a transphobic.
• 2:32:28
  SPEAKER_12: No, you you've got to stop conflating these two things.
• 2:32:33
  SPEAKER_12: If you want to live life as a trans, God bless you, I'll support you in any way I can.
• 2:32:38
  SPEAKER_12: But it is unfair of you then to bring a biological male physical body into a women's sports.
• 2:32:47
  SPEAKER_12: And that's why we fought for Title IX so that women could have their own division.
• 2:32:51
  SPEAKER_12: And it needs to be preserved.
• 2:32:53
  SPEAKER_12: And it's very, very clear and it's very simple.
• 2:32:56
  SPEAKER_12: And I the the mystery to me, and it's not really a mystery, John.
• 2:32:59
  SPEAKER_12: I want more people to be public about this.
• 2:33:02
  SPEAKER_12: Pro athletes, uh, you know, amateur athletes, whatever.
• 2:33:07
  SPEAKER_12: But I've had people tell me, pro athletes, even retired pro athletes, I gotta worry about my brand.
• 2:33:14
  SPEAKER_12: So um I I'm more worried about the girls.
• 2:33:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 2:33:18
  SPEAKER_04: All right, let's uh uh two things and we'll wrap things up.
• 2:33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um, first off, I want to uh do my little exercise like I have with all the candidates.
• 2:33:25
  SPEAKER_04: So a wrong track, Minnesota.
• 2:33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, there's five different points available at uh AmericanExperiment.org.
• 2:33:30
  SPEAKER_04: All the data backs up these particular statements.
• 2:33:33
  SPEAKER_04: Choose your own adventure.
• 2:33:34
  SPEAKER_04: You comment on the one you would like to comment on.
• 2:33:36
  SPEAKER_04: So um we have kids in Mississippi can read better than kids in Minnesota.
• 2:33:40
  SPEAKER_04: Minnesota is now below average uh state economically.
• 2:33:44
  SPEAKER_04: Fifty five percent of Minnesota students can't do math at a grade level.
• 2:33:48
  SPEAKER_04: Minnesota taxes small businesses more than any other state.
• 2:33:50
  SPEAKER_04: Minnesota's government led fraudsters steal over nine billion.
• 2:33:54
  SPEAKER_04: You're of course running for the Senate, but I wanted to do this with you anyways.
• 2:33:57
  SPEAKER_04: Choose your own adventure.
• 2:33:58
  SPEAKER_04: Which one would you like to comment on?
• 2:33:59
  SPEAKER_12: Oh my gosh, you hear That list and you shake your head and you think, How am I supposed to pick one of those?
• 2:34:05
  SPEAKER_12: They are all right hugely important, really fast on taxes.
• 2:34:09
  SPEAKER_12: I've sat across from small business and large business owners, and they said, Michelle, if things don't change in November, I'm uprooting my business and I'm moving next door.
• 2:34:19
  SPEAKER_12: I'm going to Wisconsin.
• 2:34:20
  SPEAKER_12: I'm going to North Dakota, I'm going to South, wherever it is, because they can't deal with this punitive existence.
• 2:34:27
  SPEAKER_12: They feel like they're being told they're the bad guys for having successful businesses that employ people, that hire people, that inject money into the economy, which is very important.
• 2:34:39
  SPEAKER_12: But the other one close to my heart, my mom was a public school teacher for her entire career.
• 2:34:44
  SPEAKER_12: What we are doing to kids, what we are allowing kids to walk out into the world with, not being able to read or do math, is in my mind criminal.
• 2:34:52
  SPEAKER_12: And we're it's at the incredible detriment of not only Minnesota, but the country.
• 2:35:09
  SPEAKER_12: Look, I'm the only person in this race who has never run for office before.
• 2:35:13
  SPEAKER_12: Um I had a career, I had a profession, it was phenomenal.
• 2:35:17
  SPEAKER_12: I loved it.
• 2:35:18
  SPEAKER_12: But this is about more than one person.
• 2:35:21
  SPEAKER_12: This is about Minnesota.
• 2:35:23
  SPEAKER_12: And quite frankly, it's about this leftward lurch that America is experiencing.
• 2:35:29
  SPEAKER_12: That's why I'm doing this.
• 2:35:31
  SPEAKER_12: It's not about me, it's about all of us.
• 2:35:36
  SPEAKER_12: And you know, I I would love to represent all of us and work on and solving those issues.
• 2:35:42
  SPEAKER_12: I am not desperate to become a politician.
• 2:35:45
  SPEAKER_12: I got into this as a reaction to seeing the direction of this state and this country.
• 2:35:52
  SPEAKER_12: And so, folks, this is about all of you, all of us.
• 2:35:56
  SPEAKER_12: It's not about me.
• 2:35:58
  SPEAKER_12: Um, let's go do this together and let's let's give Minnesota what it deserves.
• 2:36:04
  SPEAKER_12: And I'm willing to do that with courage.
• 2:36:06
  SPEAKER_04: Have you been able to uh schedule in some uh sleep between now and to uh and tomorrow night?
• 2:36:10
  SPEAKER_12: Sleep is essential.
• 2:36:12
  SPEAKER_12: So it is it is the only thing that I'm very possessive of is that is trying to get a little sleep because without it, I'm just a toast.
• 2:36:19
  SPEAKER_04: Well, thank you so much uh for joining us on the couch at the uh American Experiment Studios.
• 2:36:24
  SPEAKER_04: It's always great to uh to see you.
• 2:36:25
  SPEAKER_04: I appreciate the time this morning and uh and good luck tomorrow.
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you.
• 2:36:28
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 2:36:29
  SPEAKER_04: Joining us next on the show, um, we're gonna be talking with Hennepin County Attorney candidate Diane Krantz.
• 2:36:36
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna get to know her, why she got into this uh into this race and uh what she would like to do to the Hennepin County Attorney's uh office.
• 2:36:43
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll speak with her coming up in just a moment on the John Justice show.
• 2:36:47
  SPEAKER_04: Uh first, here's some commentary you might have missed from uh Katherine Johnson, uh Grace Keating, and uh fellow uh policy fellow here at American Experiment, Matt Dean here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
• 2:37:00
  SPEAKER_13: I looked it up, and the percentage of children in poverty in Minnesota is about 10%, which is lower than the national average.
• 2:37:08
  SPEAKER_13: So how come somewhere around a third, 33% say, of children in Minnesota are on Medicaid if they aren't poor?
• 2:37:15
  SPEAKER_34: Sure.
• 2:37:15
  SPEAKER_34: My kids are grown now, but I had three kids that I raised, and for us, we could make over$100,000 a year, and still our kids would be on Medicaid, if you can imagine that.
• 2:37:29
  SPEAKER_34: That's middle class.
• 2:37:30
  SPEAKER_34: That's crazy.
• 2:37:31
  SPEAKER_34: And uh, you know, we also as a state, I think we should really measure ourselves by how few people have to rely on the government for healthcare, not how many.
• 2:37:41
  SPEAKER_34: But if you ask uh, you know, Governor Walls, he'll say the more people we feed, the better, the more people on government programs, the better.
• 2:37:49
  SPEAKER_34: And that's really how he measures the state, and we really see that in the numbers in Medicaid, which have just exploded.
• 2:37:57
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 2:37:58
  SPEAKER_23: Now that school's back in session, how are Minnesota students doing?
• 2:38:02
  SPEAKER_23: Not very well.
• 2:38:03
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in 10 years.
• 2:38:09
  SPEAKER_23: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota students can either read or do math at grade level.
• 2:38:14
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 2:38:15
  SPEAKER_23: We used to brag about our schools.
• 2:38:17
  SPEAKER_23: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
• 2:38:19
  SPEAKER_23: Visit AmericanExperiment.org for more information.
• 2:38:22
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 2:38:27
  SPEAKER_34: We're doing a really big deep deep dive on Medicaid right now at the center.
• 2:38:32
  SPEAKER_34: We're looking at just how the heck this has gotten so out of control in Minnesota.
• 2:38:37
  SPEAKER_34: And just like since 2023, okay, we spent 18 billion dollars on Medicaid in the state.
• 2:38:44
  SPEAKER_34: Okay.
• 2:38:45
  SPEAKER_34: Now we are spending 27 billion in this year, okay, and we are spending that on fewer people on Medicaid.
• 2:38:55
  SPEAKER_34: So there was 1.4 million people on Medicaid in 2023.
• 2:39:01
  SPEAKER_34: Now there is 1.2.
• 2:39:03
  SPEAKER_34: So you have to ask yourself, how in the heck can we be spending that much more money on Medicaid?
• 2:39:10
  SPEAKER_34: And we're really looking into that because we think a lot of that money is going to people who are dead, people who live in other states, people who are on more than one program.
• 2:39:20
  SPEAKER_34: And you are not surprised because you've seen that on so many different programs in the state of Minnesota, but Medicaid is by far the biggest enchilada when it comes to that.
• 2:39:30
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 2:39:31
  SPEAKER_23: Now that school's out for the summer, how are Minnesota students doing?
• 2:39:35
  SPEAKER_23: Not very well.
• 2:39:36
  SPEAKER_23: Minnesota ACT scores fell again last year and are the lowest they've been in 10 years.
• 2:39:42
  SPEAKER_23: In fact, fewer than half of Minnesota students can either read or do math at grade level.
• 2:39:47
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it.
• 2:39:48
  SPEAKER_23: We used to brag about our schools.
• 2:39:50
  SPEAKER_23: Now we're losing to states like Mississippi.
• 2:39:52
  SPEAKER_23: Visit AmericanExperiment.org for more information.
• 2:39:55
  SPEAKER_23: Think about it is brought to you by Center of the American Experiment, Minnesota's think tank.
• 2:40:00
  SPEAKER_04: It's a John Justice show, presented by American Experiment and AmericanExperiment.org, where you can listen to the show and of course on the Mix LR app as well.
• 2:40:10
  SPEAKER_04: You can email me John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org and also leave us a blast.
• 2:40:17
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• 2:40:21
  SPEAKER_04: And this one's about our next guest to hear on the show from uh friend of the show.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_18: Good morning, John.
• 2:40:26
  SPEAKER_18: This is Gonzo.
• 2:40:28
  SPEAKER_18: Um to Diane Crane.
• 2:40:30
  SPEAKER_18: I worked with Philip McCoy as a PO for 32 years.
• 2:40:34
  SPEAKER_18: I worked with Diane on many, many cases, and I always found her to be very reasonable, very fair, and an excellent prosecutor.
• 2:40:48
  SPEAKER_18: Philip McCounty would be really much, much improved if you were to be elected.
• 2:40:53
  SPEAKER_18: And God bless you, Diane.
• 2:40:55
  SPEAKER_18: I hope you make it.
• 2:40:56
  SPEAKER_18: And it was great uh seeing you do again.
• 2:41:00
  SPEAKER_18: Good luck.
• 2:41:01
  SPEAKER_04: And thank you, friend of the show, Gonzo, for those kind words.
• 2:41:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm happy to uh welcome into and on the uh Center of the American Experiment uh sofa, uh Diane Kranz.
• 2:41:10
  SPEAKER_04: Good morning, Diane.
• 2:41:11
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for coming in this morning.
• 2:41:12
  SPEAKER_04: It was great to see you.
• 2:41:13
  SPEAKER_39: Good morning, John.
• 2:41:14
  SPEAKER_39: Thanks for having me.
• 2:41:15
  SPEAKER_04: So uh you were certainly no stranger to the Hennepin County Attorney's Office.
• 2:41:20
  SPEAKER_04: You might be a stranger to a lot of uh listeners on the show.
• 2:41:23
  SPEAKER_04: So give us a uh a bit of your background and of course, why are you running for the Hennepin County Attorney's Office?
• 2:41:29
  SPEAKER_39: Sure.
• 2:41:30
  SPEAKER_39: I um went to law school to be a prosecutor, quite honestly.
• 2:41:34
  SPEAKER_39: That's what I really wanted to do.
• 2:41:35
  SPEAKER_39: And I was lucky enough while I was a law student to get to work in the county attorney's office.
• 2:41:40
  SPEAKER_39: It kept me from quitting law school because the people in law school weren't as nice as the people in the county attorney's office.
• 2:41:46
  SPEAKER_39: And they couldn't get rid of me until 2025 uh when Mary Moriarty started working there and I saw kind of the direction of the office.
• 2:41:57
  SPEAKER_39: Um, I have done everything from soup to nuts.
• 2:42:00
  SPEAKER_39: I have prosecuted any kind of crime that exists in Hennepin County.
• 2:42:04
  SPEAKER_39: I've done gang cases, I did white-collar fraud cases, I did career offender cases.
• 2:42:11
  SPEAKER_39: Um, and I know that office to be one of the best prosecutors' offices in the world, and it has been for ages.
• 2:42:20
  SPEAKER_39: It's the largest public law office, and it's always had the best and been have filled with integrity.
• 2:42:27
  SPEAKER_39: And what I've seen happen in the last three and a half years has broken my heart about things, and it needs to be changed.
• 2:42:37
  SPEAKER_39: We get need to get back to holding people accountable.
• 2:42:40
  SPEAKER_39: We need to get back to actually listening to victims and not focusing on the defendant as the victim.
• 2:42:48
  SPEAKER_39: And we need to get back to working with law enforcement because all the law enforcement relationships have been broken, and I can repair them because all the cops in Hennepin County know me because they've worked with me.
• 2:43:02
  SPEAKER_04: How quickly did you see those changes take place within the Hennepin County's attorney's office upon uh Mary Moriarty's arrival?
• 2:43:11
  SPEAKER_39: Well, it was prior to her arrival because she had listening sessions with people.
• 2:43:15
  SPEAKER_39: Oh, my favorite listening session.
• 2:43:17
  SPEAKER_39: Yes, oh mine too.
• 2:43:18
  SPEAKER_39: Um there were people who were trying to play nice, uh, but there were a lot of things that she said that were really um out of bounds.
• 2:43:30
  SPEAKER_39: Um, you know, for example, she had she hadn't represented, but she had visited a long-convicted uh murderer who was a juvenile at the time of the crime, and she wanted to continue to keep that case, um, even though she was now the elected county attorney, and our office was fighting to keep the sentence for that person.
• 2:43:55
  SPEAKER_04: What would you like to let's just let's let's take that and sort of apply what you would like to have seen done in a circumstance like that as opposed to what you were witnessing?
• 2:44:03
  SPEAKER_39: Well, she should have recused herself.
• 2:44:05
  SPEAKER_39: And ultimately, because uh an acquaintance of mine was working on that case, it wound up getting what we call conflicted out to Ramsey County to be handled.
• 2:44:15
  SPEAKER_39: Um, you know, there is a she has a belief that everything that's been done to vic defendants is wrong.
• 2:44:25
  SPEAKER_39: As I said, she calls them victims.
• 2:44:28
  SPEAKER_39: And she has gone back and agreed to overturn an awful lot of sentences, costing the Minnesota taxpayers$4.5 million in the case of Marvin Haynes, um, who was properly convicted more than 20 years ago of a first-degree murder, killing the man who ran a flower shop in Minneapolis.
• 2:44:48
  SPEAKER_39: And uh he never made a peep about a thing until she got into office and then she agreed uh to let him out.
• 2:44:59
  SPEAKER_04: Talking with uh Diane Krenz uh for Hennepin County uh attorney, before I get into more questions about the job in and of itself, uh talk a little bit about uh your race, uh the number of individuals involved uh heading into the primary tomorrow.
• 2:45:12
  SPEAKER_04: What does a voter need to know about this particular primary?
• 2:45:15
  SPEAKER_39: So there's five people running for this office.
• 2:45:18
  SPEAKER_39: I'm the only woman, whether that's exciting to anybody or not, but I am the only woman.
• 2:45:23
  SPEAKER_39: I am the only one who has worked in the Hannepin County Attorney's Office for any significant time period.
• 2:45:29
  SPEAKER_39: Two of the others have been law clerks.
• 2:45:32
  SPEAKER_39: And I am the only one also who's worked with any law enforcement or any victims in Hannepin County.
• 2:45:40
  SPEAKER_39: Um I did not seek the DFL endorsement.
• 2:45:44
  SPEAKER_39: The other four did seek the DFL endorsement.
• 2:45:47
  SPEAKER_39: The endorsed candidate is Cedric Frazier.
• 2:45:49
  SPEAKER_39: He is a legislator from New Hope, and he is essentially Mrs.
• 2:45:55
  SPEAKER_39: Moriarty's pick to replace her.
• 2:45:58
  SPEAKER_39: Um, they have a side agreement on him keeping her policies and the people she's brought in.
• 2:46:06
  SPEAKER_04: So, with that, observing Hennepin County, the Hennepin County's attorney's office under Mary Moriarty, um, what's your biggest concern or point of or point of contention?
• 2:46:16
  SPEAKER_04: And with that, how would you go about addressing it?
• 2:46:19
  SPEAKER_39: Well, I can't read I I can't go through everything because I have lots of points of contention.
• 2:46:25
  SPEAKER_39: Um, I've said to people, one of the first things I plan on doing is meeting in a big meeting with all the chiefs of police and any law enforcement agency that works with Hennepin County in order to reestablish good relationships with them.
• 2:46:44
  SPEAKER_39: Uh it has though, like I said, those have been destroyed, and we can't prosecute anybody for anything if we don't have police cooperation and them starting the investigation.
• 2:46:56
  SPEAKER_39: So that to me is a number one priority.
• 2:47:00
  SPEAKER_39: Um, my second priority is to have a group meeting with the entire office to explain that her policies are gone, that we will um revert to normal prosecution procedures, and that we will no longer be looking for excuses, but we will be looking for accountability.
• 2:47:25
  SPEAKER_04: So um I've used this point on the show, and so feel free to disagree with me, but I'm curious to get your perspective.
• 2:47:33
  SPEAKER_04: In my own criticism of Hennepin County attorney, Mary Moriarty.
• 2:47:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, first off, you know, I've said that she's a true social justice zealot, that in my opinion, it's like a religion uh for an individual uh like that.
• 2:47:48
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, and I have a couple of facets to that, to, to this, but you're um I can see the visual response.
• 2:47:53
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm curious your your thoughts on that, because she in in my view, she really does treat this as if there is no nuance here.
• 2:48:01
  SPEAKER_04: This is her social justice view of how these things should be handled regardless of the circumstances.
• 2:48:06
  SPEAKER_39: Is that a correct uh assessment on my part?
• 2:48:08
  SPEAKER_39: It is.
• 2:48:09
  SPEAKER_39: And quite honestly, some of the people that she's brought into the office, many of them former defense attorneys, which I don't have a beef with because we've had people who were defense attorneys that have come to the office and vice versa.
• 2:48:22
  SPEAKER_39: Um, but one of the people she brought in said, we we figured out we couldn't change the system from being public defenders or defense attorneys or from the outside.
• 2:48:33
  SPEAKER_39: We had to get into the office itself to make the changes.
• 2:48:38
  SPEAKER_39: So that's been the agenda from the beginning is to change those things that make a prosecutor a prosecutor and to slant it more toward the defendant who has constitutional rights.
• 2:48:52
  SPEAKER_39: And as a prosecutor, I am ethically bound to make sure the defendant's constitutional rights are honored.
• 2:48:59
  SPEAKER_39: However, you that doesn't mean you also get an extra boost by the way you look at the cases.
• 2:49:06
  SPEAKER_04: Is it fair to put the crime that we've witnessed in Minneapolis?
• 2:49:13
  SPEAKER_04: Is it fair to point to the Hennepin County's attorney's office as being part of the issue that's been driving that crime?
• 2:49:19
  SPEAKER_04: And again, I've often referred to it as a revolving door of criminality coming out of the Hennepin County's attorney's office.
• 2:49:26
  SPEAKER_04: So when we see these different aspects of crime in Minneapolis get reported, as a matter of fact, I'm looking at a story right here.
• 2:49:33
  SPEAKER_04: A large group of scooter and bike riders, estimated two to three hundred, took over downtown Minneapolis uh over the weekend.
• 2:49:39
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's further details here, but is it fair to put some of the blame on the Hendupin County's attorney's office for the crime that's been taking place?
• 2:49:49
  SPEAKER_39: Yes, to some degree.
• 2:49:51
  SPEAKER_39: And here's what I would look at.
• 2:49:53
  SPEAKER_39: So we've had a juvenile delinquency system which differs from the adults.
• 2:49:58
  SPEAKER_39: Kids don't get prosecuted, they're not criminalized except for certain circumstances.
• 2:50:04
  SPEAKER_39: And so for many years, uh, people have used kids to commit crimes because they know there won't be as big a sanction, right?
• 2:50:13
  SPEAKER_39: And kids sometimes feel like there's not as much accountability if you go through the criminal justice system.
• 2:50:20
  SPEAKER_39: The situation now, however, is any juvenile offenders, with some exceptions, but for most of the crimes, are allowed to have three shots at diversion before they actually come to court and see a judge.
• 2:50:35
  SPEAKER_39: And that word has spread like wildfire, um, even more than it was before.
• 2:50:41
  SPEAKER_39: And so a lot of the juvenile crime that's happening is because there is no consequence.
• 2:50:49
  SPEAKER_39: The county attorney's office is not demanding any consequence.
• 2:50:52
  SPEAKER_39: And frankly, I would I would put some um responsibility on the fact that the county homeschool was closed and there has been a diminution, if you would, of what the county has been paying for for kids that break the law, you know, the types of programming that we have.
• 2:51:15
  SPEAKER_04: Talking with uh again, Diane Krenz for Hennepin County Attorney, as we continue our conversation, is there a place where people can go and find out more about you ahead of the primary tomorrow?
• 2:51:24
  SPEAKER_39: Yes, my website is DianeKrenz.com.
• 2:51:27
  SPEAKER_39: I have a Facebook page which is Diane Krenz for Hennepin County Attorney, and I have a very vociferous ex following under Diane Krenz MN.
• 2:51:38
  SPEAKER_04: So Um I'm curious when we when we see the negative ramifications of the policies under Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty, just getting into the into the mind of an individual like that or people that you know subscribe to that social justice mentality, you know, you're not seeing positive ramifications on the street.
• 2:52:00
  SPEAKER_04: What is their justification for continuing to do the policies that that are contributing to these problems?
• 2:52:07
  SPEAKER_39: You know, it's a belief system.
• 2:52:09
  SPEAKER_39: So having been at the county for over 40 years, we used to break down public defenders and defense attorneys into several groups.
• 2:52:17
  SPEAKER_39: And one of them was the hey, my guy deserves the best defense I can possibly give him, but I'm not going to be personally hurt if this person is convicted, right?
• 2:52:29
  SPEAKER_39: Because it's the system and it's the process.
• 2:52:33
  SPEAKER_39: Um and then in the public defender's office, especially, there's been what we call the true believers.
• 2:52:39
  SPEAKER_39: And these are the people who have a belief system that these people are downtrodden, that it's socioeconomic reasons for crime, that there are disparities and people being picked on for certain reasons.
• 2:52:59
  SPEAKER_39: That I think it's just a way people think about things and and the the a world view.
• 2:53:07
  SPEAKER_39: Um for me, especially with the issue of racial disparities, what I've seen is the majority of my victims are people of color.
• 2:53:15
  SPEAKER_39: I've had I've probably touched anywhere from 30 to 40 to 50 to 100 homicides in my years, and the majority of them are black, Latino, Native American, or Asian.
• 2:53:31
  SPEAKER_04: Certainly pushes back on the narratives that come from the uh that come from the left.
• 2:53:35
  SPEAKER_04: Why do you think um Mary Moriarty decided not to continue or to to to seek re-election?
• 2:53:42
  SPEAKER_39: Well, if you want to know the rumors.
• 2:53:45
  SPEAKER_29: Sure, we can do rumors.
• 2:53:47
  SPEAKER_39: I'm all about rumors on the show.
• 2:53:48
  SPEAKER_39: Uh the rumor, the rumor was that she was asked not to.
• 2:53:52
  SPEAKER_39: Okay.
• 2:53:53
  SPEAKER_39: Um, because it would drag down other tickets.
• 2:53:57
  SPEAKER_39: That's what I heard from several sources.
• 2:53:59
  SPEAKER_04: What would be the biggest uh difference uh between a Hennepin County attorney's office run by Diane Krenz and one uh run by Hennepin County attorney Mary Moriarty or or um Cedric Fraser for that for that matter?
• 2:54:13
  SPEAKER_39: I, well, first of all, I believe in actually holding people really accountable.
• 2:54:19
  SPEAKER_39: And secondly, um in comparison to the other people running, I know the place inside, outside, upside down, and I can more immediately turn that place around.
• 2:54:31
  SPEAKER_39: Um, I was also very involved in the union because it was a way to deal with wages and working conditions, right?
• 2:54:39
  SPEAKER_39: And so I've had lots of dealings with what we call big county.
• 2:54:44
  SPEAKER_39: Um, and if you want a real change and you want it really quickly, I know how to do it.
• 2:54:52
  SPEAKER_39: And I had there will be zero learning curve for me to get back to true accountability, better police relationships and better victim relationships.
• 2:55:03
  SPEAKER_39: What is your current role?
• 2:55:04
  SPEAKER_39: What do you what are you what are you doing right now?
• 2:55:06
  SPEAKER_39: Well, uh, when I retired in 2025, I'd spent the last seven years doing white-collar cases.
• 2:55:12
  SPEAKER_39: And so I had a lot of, you know, working relationships with the BCA and the former Commerce Fraud Bureau.
• 2:55:19
  SPEAKER_39: So I let it be known to a lot of the guys there, hey, I'm I'm gonna be a hired gun for prosecution because in outstate Minnesota, they need people with my kind of experience.
• 2:55:30
  SPEAKER_39: So I have a contract case up in Hubbard County, which is Park Rapids.
• 2:55:34
  SPEAKER_39: It is an arson um insurance fraud case, and they hired me to prosecute that one case.
• 2:55:43
  SPEAKER_39: So I've been trying to keep myself busy and definitely kept myself in the prosecution game.
• 2:55:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and again, uh Diane Krenz, a Hannepin County attorney, uh candidate.
• 2:55:53
  SPEAKER_04: Where would you like people to go to to find out?
• 2:55:54
  SPEAKER_04: Again, you mentioned those locations before, but where would you like people to go and check things out?
• 2:55:58
  SPEAKER_39: DianeKrenz.com.
• 2:55:59
  SPEAKER_39: Okay.
• 2:56:00
  SPEAKER_39: Or Facebook, Diane Krenz for Hennepin County Attorney, and Diane Krenz MN on X.
• 2:56:08
  SPEAKER_04: Well, regardless of uh tomorrow's outcome, I'd love to have you back on the show just to pick your brain about the uh the issues that we talk about relating to, you know, an individual like yourself and the skill set you have.
• 2:56:18
  SPEAKER_04: So hopefully we can get you back on again uh real real real soon.
• 2:56:21
  SPEAKER_39: Thank you, John.
• 2:56:22
  SPEAKER_39: I'd love to.
• 2:56:22
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for the time uh uh this morning.
• 2:56:24
  SPEAKER_04: Uh again, Diane Krenz for Hendepin County Attorney uh here on the couch at the American Experiment Studio.
• 2:56:30
  SPEAKER_04: All right, before we wrap things up today, getting close to the end, uh, I do want to share uh this with you.
• 2:56:35
  SPEAKER_04: It popped on my radar overnight, and I have to thank a friend of the show on X for drawing it to my attention.
• 2:56:41
  SPEAKER_04: But there's some concern coming out of the Secretary of State's office.
• 2:56:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon, apparently up on the website, there are uh sample ballots that don't have any markings relating to them being sample ballots.
• 2:56:56
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Pam Altendorf has uh pointed this out online on the official Secretary of State website.
• 2:57:02
  SPEAKER_04: Official ballots were posted, no watermarks or other identifiers that this would be a sample ballot or shown.
• 2:57:08
  SPEAKER_04: This is prompting concerns over fraud.
• 2:57:10
  SPEAKER_04: Here is some of what Pam Altendorf had to share online.
• 2:57:15
  SPEAKER_33: Hi everyone, State Representative Pam Altendorf.
• 2:57:18
  SPEAKER_33: I wanted to get a message out there to the public.
• 2:57:20
  SPEAKER_33: Oh, got a couple of minutes.
• 2:57:21
  SPEAKER_33: Maybe you can help contact the Secretary of State's office, Steve Simon.
• 2:57:26
  SPEAKER_33: Also, contact the 15 counties um that submitted their sample ballots to the Secretary of State office, um, and they are marked as like an official ballot.
• 2:57:38
  SPEAKER_33: They could potentially be printed.
• 2:57:40
  SPEAKER_33: Uh our GOP house, uh, we sent a letter to the Secretary of State's office yesterday.
• 2:57:46
  SPEAKER_33: Um I kind of was giving them the benefit of the doubt with the primary just being a couple days away, waiting for the response from Steve Simon or someone in the Secretary of State's office addressing this issue.
• 2:57:58
  SPEAKER_33: Um, but nothing.
• 2:57:59
  SPEAKER_33: We we have we have heard nothing.
• 2:58:01
  SPEAKER_33: So with the primary just two days away, it's very concerning to me that the Secretary of State's office posted ballots online on the official Secretary of State's website that has no watermark.
• 2:58:14
  SPEAKER_33: In fact, one of them says like official ballot, they have the timestamps, everything um that a ballot would have that someone could potentially print.
• 2:58:23
  SPEAKER_33: Now, we're not saying that's happening or that any you know malicious behavior is happening, but it certainly opens the door for a bad actor to be able to do something like that.
• 2:58:34
  SPEAKER_33: And when we are here in Minnesota and we're trying to enforce our elections, secure them, and make sure that the public feels confident in our elections, this is not how we do it.
• 2:58:45
  SPEAKER_33: So the Secretary of State's office, I would say this is gross uh negligence.
• 2:58:50
  SPEAKER_33: Um at the very least, uh all you have to do is provide uniformity, just uniformity of the sample ballots of how they're posted on the Secretary of State website.
• 2:59:02
  SPEAKER_33: And again, we have 15 counties.
• 2:59:04
  SPEAKER_33: I will post them in the comments.
• 2:59:06
  SPEAKER_33: 15 counties have their ballots posted on the official Secretary of State website, and they are the actual ballots that could be potentially printed.
• 2:59:14
  SPEAKER_33: Very concerning, especially when a lot of these counties have local races, like county commissioner races where there's four people on the ballot working their way down to two.
• 2:59:24
  SPEAKER_33: So super concerning.
• 2:59:26
  SPEAKER_33: Um, I I would appreciate a response from the Secretary of State website, but also want to make the public aware this is not acceptable, this is not how we should be doing our elections in Minnesota, and we have to strive better so that we have confidence in our elections and we're doing it the right way.
• 2:59:41
  SPEAKER_33: And right now, under Steve Simon, under the Secretary of State, this is gross negligence.
• 2:59:46
  SPEAKER_33: It truly is.
• 2:59:47
  SPEAKER_33: So um contact your counties, county auditors, county attorneys, uh county people who are doing the elections and ask them why in the world they allowed their ballots to be um even submitted in this manner, and then the secretary of state, why they put them on the web on their official website.
• 3:00:04
  SPEAKER_33: It is gross negligence on both parts.
• 3:00:06
  SPEAKER_33: And you, if you're in one of these counties, should be demanding better of your local officials.
• 3:00:11
  SPEAKER_33: Thanks, everyone.
• 3:00:12
  SPEAKER_33: Have a great weekend.
• 3:00:12
  SPEAKER_33: Bye.
• 3:00:13
  SPEAKER_04: And listen, even if there's not an abundance of concern over this or I mean, there should be.
• 3:00:19
  SPEAKER_04: I I'm with her in her concern.
• 3:00:21
  SPEAKER_04: But even if there are some aspects in which it's totally okay to go and do this, given what we've dealt with here when it comes to fraud in Minnesota, we can't be opening up any opportunities whatsoever.
• 3:00:34
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody inside of the Secretary of State's office identified that this could be a potential problem.
• 3:00:40
  SPEAKER_04: And so um thank you to Representative uh Pam Altendorf for bringing that up.
• 3:00:44
  SPEAKER_04: One of the luxuries here on the John Justice show presented by American Experiment is the fact that um we're not under the clock.
• 3:00:50
  SPEAKER_04: So we can go a little bit long if we need to.
• 3:00:52
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• 3:01:05
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  SPEAKER_04: You just heard a moment ago, Pam Altendorf, uh, talking about official ballots being posted on the Secretary of State's government website.
• 3:03:44
  SPEAKER_04: In the meantime, former um presidential uh nominee appointed, bestowed, no queens, right?
• 3:03:51
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Kamala Harris is actually out doing uh the job of the GOP in explaining what the Save America Act would actually do, requiring Americans to prove who they are to go and vote.
• 3:04:04
  SPEAKER_04: So you'll hear Kamala Harris and then you'll hear President Donald Trump uh and his laying out why we need the Save America Act here on the John Justice show, presented by American Experiment.
• 3:04:14
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• 3:04:19
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• 3:04:30
  SPEAKER_35: So you got the Supreme Court doing its thing, then this president is trying to push this SAVE Act, which basically would require that for people to register to vote, you're gonna have to have proof of who you are through a passport, which a lot of Americans don't have, or a birth certificate.
• 3:04:53
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• 3:05:02
  SPEAKER_30: But most importantly, addressing this crisis of election security demands that Congress must pass the Save America Act.
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  SPEAKER_04: And neither is Kamala Harris.
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  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly what it would do.
• 3:05:26
  SPEAKER_04: And this is exactly why we support and hope that Congress gets off their butt and actually goes and does the right thing.
• 3:05:32
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for joining the show today.
• 3:05:34
  SPEAKER_04: If you missed any portion of today's show, my conversations with uh Hennepin County Attorney candidate Diane Krenz, uh, we have Michelle Tafoya, Senate candidate, uh Lisa Damath, gubernatorial candidate, uh lawyer extraordinaire Jeff O'Brien, uh talking about how Lamey Clobuchar really didn't have anything to do with when it comes to uh helping those businesses selling HAMPA products and delaying uh the federal regulations that would have harmed those of businesses and Andrew Langer in the first hour of the show.
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• 3:06:03
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• 3:06:07
  SPEAKER_04: Also on the Mix LR app where you can listen to this very show and you can watch the replay at the YouTube and Facebook pages of Center of the American Experiment.
• 3:06:16
  SPEAKER_04: Tomorrow is uh primary day, so I hope everybody gets out to uh vote.
• 3:06:20
  SPEAKER_04: I know that I will because I like to wait till election day to go and uh vote.
• 3:06:24
  SPEAKER_04: Also, on tomorrow's show, we'll preview uh expectations.
• 3:06:29
  SPEAKER_04: We'll get your thoughts from the blaster line over Tuesday's primary.
• 3:06:32
  SPEAKER_04: We'll talk a little artificial intelligence with the CEO at Expert Theory David, uh, Gartenstein Ross as well.
• 3:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: You can leave those comments at 612-584-4565 overnight, anytime 24-7.
• 3:06:45
  SPEAKER_04: You can also email me, John.justice at AmericanExperiment.org.
• 3:06:49
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you so much for spending time with us this morning.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'll talk to you guys at 6 a.m.
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  SPEAKER_04: tomorrow.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thanks so much.
• 3:06:58
  SPEAKER_04: God bless.
• 3:06:58
  SPEAKER_04: We'll talk to you guys tomorrow.
• 3:06:59
  SPEAKER_04: Bye.