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Rennie's New All Blacks & Rassie's Ruthless Springboks | Nations Championship Reaction · Rugby Rivals - Sir John Kirwan & Victor Matfield

• 0:00
  How good is Jelly Bear? He's got to be one of the best first fives in the world. Like he's scared of nothing. Everyone say all the Toulouse guys aren't there, but I mean the quality that France got. I think it was actually a very good start for the All Blacks. I don't know what you were nervous about, Victor, because after 17 minutes, I thought this is 100 points here. We didn't have the uphand at scrum time. We didn't have the uphand as much when it came to the mall.
• 0:25
  but the work rate and the break time, we're just building it. You know, this 28 is so effective, but it can get a bit boring. I love it when it's used. Why? It creates broken field. When I look at South Africa, mate, all I think about is how we beat you. One of your most amazing... We're waiting for you, Jack. We're waiting for you. It's around the corner. I know you're waiting. The greatest round. And I'm coming. Right, welcome to Rugby Rivals.
• 0:55
  Big weekend. Let's get straight into the All Blacks, I think, because that's the most important team in the world. Where's my code? Where's my code? JK? Yeah, fair enough. 15 points. Where's the 15 points? What happened? Didn't I say that? South Africa would win by 15? What did I say? Didn't I say that? You said New Zealand's definitely going to win by 15. Yeah. And South Africa is nervous. Yeah. Yeah, I got it completely wrong.
• 1:25
  But it was a great game of rugby, Victor. It was a great game of rugby because we didn't kick as much as South Africa, you see? So we didn't do that high ball kick as much as South Africa. No, it was great. I loved it. I mean, I think how good were France as well? I mean, you've said it all year, Victor. How good is Jelly Bear?
• 1:47
  He's got to be one of the best first fives in the world without doubt. Like so dominant, so like he's scared of nothing so aggressive, but I was really, really happy with, um, the quality of the game of rugby. I thought the French were outstanding and it was just a really good game to watch. You know, I really enjoyed it as well. Uh, must say, um, I was actually, I remember I'm a Southern Emisphere guy, so I was supporting the All Blacks, but, um,
• 2:16
  Yeah, what a game. And I mean, everyone say all the Toulouse guys aren't there, but I mean, the quality that France got, the depth that they've got, I mean, that Bordeaux, the call that Bordeaux team was there with Leucou and Jalibé 9-10 controlling everything, still got the physicality up front. I think it was actually a very good start for the All Blacks. I'm with you. I think they played well.
• 2:43
  They played some nice rugby as well, nice attacking rugby. And yeah, you said it. You just need a victory. It doesn't have to be 15 points. A victory is a win is a win. Yeah, look, and I think for the new regime, I think for Dave Renan and his staff, it was really important. But what I liked was what you mentioned, Victor, is the expansiveness. I think there seems to be this word that keeps coming out of the camp. We've got to play
• 3:13
  with optimism. And I thought there was some real old-style, all-black flair, you know, where they, you know, and there was a couple of stray passes that could have finished them off a wee bit, but I just thought it was a nice balance. So, yeah, look, I think Love at 10, I think he was, you know, besides getting yellow-carded really early, I also thought that he played well. I think there was a little bit of a hangover
• 3:42
  from super rugby where sometimes you just kick it out of your half and just get it out there. And I don't think you can do that at international level. We won't be able to do that against South Africa. Can't do that against France because of how good they counterattack. But he'll learn that. But I also think that was a pretty good start. And like you said, the combination of 9, 10 for us and 12, I thought was a good start. So positives all around, Matt. I was really stoked.
• 4:10
  Do you think, though, it was interesting after the game, Cam Roygaard said that he's never box kicked so little. Do you think that's the game plan, or is it because we're not coming up against suffocating defence like South Africa has?
• 4:27
  No, I think it's game plan. You know, I think it's game plan. And when you watch the South African game, and I don't know what you were nervous about, Victor, because after 17 minutes, I thought this is 100 points here. I mean, England just were not in the game for the first 17 minutes. But I think...
• 4:42
  The hardest part of playing South Africa is actually their ability to retain the position, but also that 28, which is the box kick, where they put you under pressure. You either knock it on or they recover it. And so what happened against England was they just didn't have the ball. They didn't look too bad when they did have the ball in that first half, but...
• 5:05
  Yeah, so I think it's a game plan, and I think we're shaping out to see two different game plans coming out of the weekend, where I think South Africa, as Victor said, you know, it's their DNA, hard running forwards, really good set piece, but also that 28 kick where they starve you off the ball.
• 5:22
  Whereas I think the All Blacks are going to be looking to play a bit more of an expansive game and run everybody off their feet or try to. So I think it'll be two different styles, mate, not part of the game plan much anymore, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know. I think if you look at that All Black-France game, I thought both attacking teams, whenever they had ball in hand, they controlled the game. I think that's why both of the teams played,
• 5:52
  as they did. I thought the defence were pretty soft on both sides. They weren't that hard, crazy line speed. Even from France's side, what we got used to under Edwards as well, I thought they were a bit softer off the line and that gave New Zealand opportunities. You know, whenever New Zealand runs onto the ball, it's really hard to defend them with their skills and the pace and everything that they've got.
• 6:19
  So I think it might change when they come up against a defence where the ball is slow, breakdown is slow, then you'll have to play other options as well. But I mean, the DNA of New Zealand has always been to keep the ball in hands probably a little bit more and actually kick on the front foot, rather run to kick, rather than just slow it down, go up in the air, contest it back.
• 6:44
  South Africa at the moment, and again against England, that first half, they just controlled the aerial battle. We won all those kicks back. Also, the work rate around the ball, win these scraps for us to win it back. And yeah, just actually, I mean, we had quite a big change in the team just before they ran out. I mean, losing Gibbon and Sia, having two debutants almost at loose forward
• 7:12
  It was a different type of pack. I mean, it was a faster, it wasn't a big, heavy South African pack. Even the bench that came on were all quicker guys. So even though South African guys still thought physically we were there, we didn't have the uphand at scrum time. We didn't have the uphand as much when we came to the mall, but the work rate and the break time, we just killed England. Henry Pollock was popular.
• 7:41
  Yeah, the crowd was waiting for him. They send on Achman, what's the ball loose forward at some stage and the crowd wanted to boo and they saw it's not Henry Pollock and they went quiet. And once Henry Pollock got into the field, the crowd got into him. But yeah, I mean, again, it's good for the game. People, it's exciting to see what's happening. When he touched the ball, there were South Africans flying at him as well.
• 8:08
  So it was good. But yeah, I must say again, Samia Rossi gets the best out of these players, even with the changes. I mean, our back line looks so good. Again, Damien Dalende at 12 for me, he's just a workhorse. And I think he's probably the most underrated player in World Rugby. Just go forward, he gives to South Africa the work rate around the park and then
• 8:35
  Yeah, Damien Willems at 15, I thought it was one of his best games I've seen him play. I mean, under the high ball, I don't think he missed one the whole day. I mean, he's got that step that he always beats the first guy. And the other guy from South Africa that I think people will need to start looking at is one of the best is Jasper Risa. I mean, every time he carries...
• 8:58
  he gets meters and you get to South Africans on the front foot. And from there, a guy like Marnie can control the game. Marnie was good too. I thought Marnie was good. Marnie, you know, the style is also going to be different. We definitely will play a bit more. I mean, he likes to get the ball in his hands, but we still won't go away from that. Once we don't have quick ball, we don't have momentum. We definitely go to the air and hopefully, you know,
• 9:26
  I mean, move 30 to 40 meters up the field and get the ball back and have a go again. If you looked across all the games of the Nations Cup, there was a lot of high scoring games, a lot of points scored this weekend. Are we seeing a change in the way rugby is being played? Rick, what do you say about Japan? I haven't said anything about Japan yet.
• 9:51
  I was just going to talk about Japan. I was just going to talk about Japan and Italy. I thought Japan were good. I thought the speed of the game, you know, I was happy for you, Victor, and also happy for them. Not so happy because I'm an Italian supporter, as you know. I mean, Italian, the Italians in the summer aren't very good at touring. They're all a bit tired because they don't have the depth of squad, you know, that some of like South Africa or New Zealand have. So it's a bit hard on them because it's the same squad the whole time. But I thought Japan were good, mate. I thought they played at a pace
• 10:20
  So they'd be stoked. So to answer your question, Riccardo, I do think there is a shift from the players, actually. A shift from the players to want to play a bit more. And you can get yourself in trouble if you're not used to it because the game minutes go up. At one stage, both New Zealand and South Africa were holding the ball for 13 or 14 rucks.
• 10:46
  organization after four or five rucks is not that easy. It might seem easy, you know, when you're watching the game, you think, oh, they're just doing that. But actually jumping out of your systems after four or five rucks is really hard. So you've got to train that. So, yeah, I do think there is this shift. And I think the game...
• 11:02
  I think there's a collective will to make our game way more entertaining. I just feel that. And so I've seen a shift. I think everyone's saying this 28 is so effective and the South Africans are the best in the world at it. But it can get a bit boring when you're doing so many of them.
• 11:27
  because it's going to force an error, another scrum, blah, blah, blah. So, yeah, I do think there is a worldwide move towards more expansive rugby. Or, you know, people aren't really into this Nations Cup yet and there's not a lot riding on it because pressure is a funny thing. Like Victor said, yeah.
• 11:49
  you know, the line speed of defences can change. You can get a bit more tired. And if there's more expansive football, then there's a flow-on effect. Yeah, I think if you look at all the scores and all competitions, it's exactly changing. I think the whole cleaning the guys that always blocked with a high-ball kick, that made a big change to...
• 12:17
  getting more opportunities for the attacking side. Because I mean, I know JK talks about after the 28th about a scrum. It's not about the scrum, it's about creating broken field. And that's where you want to attack from. And a lot of attack comes from those block kicks where there's no more blocking in front. So there's opportunity for the side that kicked the ball to get it back. And then the other thing, and actually New Zealand use it the best. It's with a mall, with a guy that's not allowed to be on the side anymore.
• 12:45
  all of a sudden, while the ball is going forward, you can break out. And I mean, New Zealand did it when your nine-squared is swarming the try. So great, more while it was going forward, break out momentum from there. And I mean, and you walked over. So I think,
• 13:03
  A few of these laws are definitely to help the attacking side. Also, the Steeler can't go in when there's someone on the other side lying around. So, there's definitely more quick ball as well. And, I mean, that's what we want to see. We want to see tries. And then the other thing is teams are so good when they get into the 22 now. They can hold the ball for 15 phases. And it's so hard to get it off them.
• 13:26
  And I mean, that's why the teams, they don't go for the three anymore. They go for the corner. They back them more. They back their skill to hold the ball for a lot of phases as well. So I think we're going to see a nice lot of tries this year.
• 13:40
  Yeah, I noticed after the game, the All Blacks talked about, I think they said they had 85% of their ball at three seconds or less, you know, so just that real desire to get quick ball. But it's one thing to have that desire as a team. Obviously, the opposition is trying to slow you down. So the better the opposition, the more chance you're going to have slower ball. Yeah, look, I think it's...
• 14:08
  I think it's a combination, Ricardo. Like Victor said, we've been saying to World Rugby to make some adjustments. Like, you know, when Cody Taylor took off from the back of that scrum, that would not have happened without that rule change, right? And you're sitting there sometimes with them all and you're saying go, whereas you can see now that the players understand that. And that came from a direct perspective.
• 14:31
  So what do you do? Like that moment creates another moment. So, okay. South Africa might study that and say, okay, do we have to leave someone off or what do we do? So all these little changes create that dynamic. Yeah.
• 14:46
  I do think it'll come under more pressure, you know, when we get deeper into the competition, when there starts, you know, starts to be some more prize on the outcome. I think, you know, the rivals tour will be a really interesting one where two different styles will clash. But I do think Victor's right. You know, some of the rules that the... I mean, I hate the box kick. I just hate it. Especially, I love it when it's used...
• 15:15
  creates broken fuel.
• 15:17
  Yeah, I just think it makes the game really messy, mate. And I don't think it's the safest thing in the game. I just don't like it. And I just don't like that South Africa is so good at it. That's probably why I don't like it. And I think also... When I look at South Africa, mate, all I think about is how we beat you, right? So one of your most amazing... We're waiting for you, Jake. We're waiting for you.
• 15:46
  It's around the corner. I know you're waiting. The greatest rival. It's coming. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't wait. But, you know, so I just don't like it as part of the game. It's like the bomb squad. There's parts of the game that I just don't like. So I'm not going to change that. And I'm going to ask for it to be banned before the Rivals tour. Because then I think...
• 16:11
  Did you ever do a box kick? Victor, you've got quite a refined kicking game. Did you ever try a box kick? No, that's the one I didn't do. I did put through a grubber for Brian Ibanez to score against the Stormers. We had to beat them by 33 points, and I think we needed a try and a conversion. I was second receiver, Brian on the wing, and of course, I saw this place. Gave the little grubber, he scored, and the other one is a chip.
• 16:39
  but the box kick, I don't know. I haven't tried that one. Chip and grubber, that was my thing. Someone told me you actually dropped the ball and then just put your foot in the way, Victor, and it turned into a grubber kick. Wait, never. I didn't like the contact. I had to have other skills. Were you happy with the Japanese lineouts? Yeah. I think Warner Deans had played for the Hurricanes. I think...
• 17:09
  I rate him as probably the best player in the world at the moment. Fantastic player. He just looks like a more mature player after the year or the six months of the Hurricanes. Dominated the line-up.
• 17:24
  They also got a few big boys with him in that line-out. So, yeah, but this weekend they will be tested. I think also no one has seen them, no one has seen their plans. So, I mean, Ireland's contesting line-outs is pretty tough. And also with Japan, always stopping that maul. That's always a big focus for them. So you don't want Ireland to get that go-forward of the maul, but also Ireland's probably a team that
• 17:52
  do that dummy more and play away the best in the world. So seeing a few things through, we're trying to rather force them to the front of the line-up, not giving them those middle to back walls where they can do those plays. So, yeah, looks like they're doing really well. JK, let's look at some of the other teams. Any of the other teams in the Nations Cup that stood out for you?
• 18:18
  I just think Aussie need to find a way to win. You know, like they do enough. And I really, I thought they were trying to play differently, really positively as well. But they just can't win a football game when it's tight. And that's part of something that they'll need to grow.
• 18:37
  So I thought they'd come away thinking, shit, what do we need to do? And Ireland, they just find ways to win. Like, you know, they're the opposite. They find ways to win. So I think Victor's right. I think Ireland will get better and better. So for me, the predictable...
• 18:58
  I think what I was most disappointed with was England, Victor. You know, I just thought South Africa are really dominant, but it looked like they weren't ready for the physical assault early. And I thought, how can you not be ready for a physical assault
• 19:14
  coming from South Africa. I thought they were really, really passive in the first, obviously, 17 minutes. So, yeah, I think Ireland will get better. I think Australia on their day are going to be tough. I thought England... But where did England come in the Six Nations? Victor, I mean, when did you beat the last team or something? They almost lost, yeah. But I think everyone's got to plan until they get hit, like Mike Tyson said. And I think,
• 19:43
  Unfortunately, I still believe England, you need a strong 12 these days. I mean, they just don't have it. They can't punch with a back line. They can only punch. I mean, they've had Ben Earls. It's a big carrier. But the rest of the loose is also there. It's just not a big carrying ability there. So, and I mean, at the breakdown, I think the big thing for South Africa, that was probably even with the...
• 20:10
  With the injuries and with the changes, I took all the players, Cameron Hanukom, Jasper Wieser, Malcolm Marks. We had four guys that really went at the breakdown and just slowed it down. We only had Curry. There was no one really else slowing our breakdown down. So we got a quick ball. We were on the front foot. Just maybe back to that Ireland-Australia game. Like they say, winning is a habit, but unfortunately so is losing.
• 20:38
  They just need to get over that because they're playing quality rugby. I thought they really played well the first 70, 80 minutes. As you get to the end, you can just see Ireland believing and Australia starting to just tighten up a little bit.
• 20:54
  Can you guys explain that to me, JK? Can you guys explain that to me? Because you've both been in sides where you've been very successful and you've just found a will to win and a confidence that you're going to win. So just explain that feeling to me, JK. JK.
• 21:09
  I think it's a belief in the people around you. You know that there's going to be five or six or seven guys around you that are going to stand up, and you know you have this inner confidence. It's just a feeling, Ricardo. It's a feeling that we'll get this done. Someone, you know, even if you're playing badly, people say to me, you know, what's the greatest thing about playing with the All Blacks, and I'm sure Victor will say the same when he played for, you know, the really good sides. Yeah.
• 21:36
  You could have an off day because you knew that like 10 of your mates were going to have an on day. And any given day, one of those players is going to stand up and make the right decision and do the right thing.
• 21:49
  and win you the football game or get a penalty or get a turnover. It's like Artie Savir. He can be really quiet sometimes, and then all of a sudden, in the critical moment, he gets amazing turnover. Little things like that. Victor might go and you know that a defensive line-out that we need to steal off them, Victor just goes and wins it. And you just believe it and you know it. And then the same thing...
• 22:15
  when you're not doing that, you start to get this panicky feeling. Shit, we need to do something. We need to do this. We need to do that. So it's like this feeling when you're on your game and you've got players that are going to win that it's just going to happen. And when it's not with you, you think, shit, we need to do something rather than you know something's going to happen. That's how I feel. I don't know about you, Victor. Yeah, I mean, the one team I really had that feeling was that Bulls team that I played in. I mean, it didn't matter if you were in a,
• 22:45
  final and I mean you're six points down with a minute to go behind the poles and you talk to the guys and you can really see in their eyes that they believe listen we're going to score this try and win this game or you go into a game we have to beat the reds by 80 but I think 83 points to get a home semi-final and you go out there you say this is our target this is how we're going to do it when the guys go out and they really believe it then on the other side you've got it where you can just in certain games and I mean
• 23:12
  One of the games that stands out for me is that Japan game, where we probably mentally weren't there. Then as the game went on, it was easy. You score, they score, you score. And then with 20 minutes to go, you can just feel all that pressure coming onto us and not onto them. They get energy, we feel pressure. I think when you lose a lot of those closed games, when you get to that position, it's about, oh, the pressure's coming to us. We can't lose this rather than
• 23:40
  let's go win it. When you're in a team that believe, that's done it before, it's like, this is the opportunity. This is what we play for. This is the situation we want to be in because I trust the guys around me. I look left, I look right, and they believe with me. And then you can go out and you can do it. I think one of the...
• 24:01
  pluses for South Africa now being world champions anyway for the next 12 months. You know, it's when you are New Zealand. How long has it been now? Seven years.
• 24:16
  been World Championship seven years now. I can't remember, mate. My memory's a bit shot today. But what happens is one of the best things is it doesn't matter who you play. If New Zealand play Romania in the World Cup, the Romanians are going to have their best ever game. And that really helps. Very, very, very rarely does a team like when you're playing for, I'll talk about New Zealand, Vic and talk about...
• 24:43
  South Africa. Everyone plays their best game so you've got to be on your game every single time. So it also becomes a habit about absorbing that pressure and then you just have this belief that something's going to crack. And I think one of the things about, you know, there were some rumours about someone like Will Jordan, you know, he'd come back from injury and, you know, they spoke about picking on form. But, you know, I think it's a good
• 25:07
  Will Jordan is just one of those guys that you just know at the right moment he's going to score that try or do something out of the bag. And I think that's what people have sort of forgotten a little bit about Bowden as well. Bowden's one of those players that under pressure just, you know, you think, wow, he's pulled a chip kick out and caught it. And so, you know, I just think it's a belief, Ricardo, and it's a pretty cool feeling when you've got it, you know.
• 25:31
  And it's a pretty cool feeling when you walk into the stadium, you walk into the change room, and you shouldn't have won a football game, and you have. It's like the best feeling ever. No, but you can just see those players that live for that moment. I mean, if you look at this current Springbok team, previous World Cup against England, we were nowhere in that game. I mean, Oxen Shea comes onto the field, he gets that opportunity. Once that scrum came and we just went over them, you can see that whole team,
• 25:59
  Just starting, okay, we can do it. Then Andre gets that kick. He lives for that moment. It's not like, oh, damn, now I have to kick it. It's like, this is what I've been training for my whole life. This is what I live for. I want this. So it's all about those big players wanting those big moments of the games.
• 26:17
  Talking about players, quite often you'll hear coaches of their own players or journalists say such and such is the best in the world and he's the best this, he's the best that. And it's all pretty subjective depending on which country you come from. But who were the players that stood out for you that really stamped their mark on the world in the first round that sort of just reminded the world that they are one of the best players in the world?
• 26:46
  Jake, I'll start with you. Cam Roigard, you know, I think he is turning into, you know, a world-class nine. I mean, and he played another world-class nine. You know, I know this guy sits behind DuPont, but, man, he is unbelievable. Captain to this side.
• 27:09
  And Roy Gard to stand out against such a great nine, I think is amazing. So he's turning into one of those X Factor special players for me. I mean, talk about Will Jordan, you know, always scoring points, but we know how good he is. But Cam Roy Gard, I think, is now really stepping up. See him talking a lot more, you know, walking off the field. He's talking to Damien or the other players. I just think, yeah, he's really going to be one of those X Factor players for a long time.
• 27:39
  Peter? Yeah, for me, there's two players in the South African team. I've mentioned both of them. I just think Jasper, Visser and Damon Dalende is the heartbeat of the South African team at the moment. We're all about physicality. We're all about getting on that front foot, dominating the advantage line. And those two guys, it's just unbelievable. Every time I think about people talk, I mean,
• 28:05
  A guy like Andre Estrezon is just killing it with the shots. But then I think, how do you keep Andre Estrezon out of the team? Then you see Damien Darlende playing. It's just like, you can never drop this guy. I think when Rossi writes down his team, Damien Darlende is probably the first guy he writes down. And then, I mean, Jasper Visser taking over from Dwayne Vermeerland.
• 28:28
  He's just grown into that role. I mean, on the kickoffs, he takes it, he gets hit by three, makes another five meters. From a scrum, he gets you on the front foot. Any carry you want, you just give it to Jasper and he gets over. And I mean, and he steals ball as well. Critical times, over the ball, get the turnover. So I think those two guys, for me, just showed again this weekend. Although they probably not see him in the world as these world beaters,
• 28:53
  I think they had the heartbeat of the South African team. And then, sorry, sorry, I missed one guy, Peter Stefft-Toy. I mean, Peter Stefft-Toy moving to four, taking over the captaincy. I actually said, I was sitting next to Yanni and Bismarck to Plessio on the weekend. And I just said, it's unbelievable the work rate of a Peter Stefft-Toy. I mean, he moved into that four-row, not out in the wide channels. He had to play to the ball, but what a play.
• 29:20
  And I will mention Jelly Bear. I will mention Jelly Bear because he actually took that game by the scruff of the neck when they were under pressure. And if you watch that try that he scored, that's a really tough line to run for a 10. Like he's coming right off the ruck on a really tough angle, you know, where you could get minced. And I just think he's a really special player. You know, he is one of those guys, like I said, just took the game in his hands.
• 29:50
  You don't think he just overplayed his hand a little bit in that first 50, 60 minutes with those small grubber kicks? So he maybe had been a bit more patient? I think there was about three that was, I mean, all three were really close. But it was just like they had the momentum. They're in the 22. I mean, they've got such big, strong carriers. Maybe just hold on to it one or two more phases still.
• 30:14
  Yeah, because I don't think he thinks too much, mate. I think he's one of these real instinctive players. I don't disagree with you. I think that a couple of those he should have kept in hand. But what I did notice about him is that when he feels the team's under pressure, he sort of really steps up and makes those decisions. But I do think he's your classic French guy when he plays what's in front of him.
• 30:37
  I think his accuracy was off rather than his decision-making because if they were two yards shorter, then it's all on. But I just think he's one of those players that I enjoy watching just because he does take responsibility. Now, you spoke about it before, Ricciardo, and you could see the guys rally around him.
• 31:00
  because he made that break on the right-hand side, little shimmy, offload, they score, and they really gather around him. So he gets a special mention from me. There's some really good nines and tens. I mean, you know, Jamison Gibson-Parks, he's got a good bottle of red wine. He just keeps getting better and better. So there's a lot of great nines around, and I think that's lifted the whole game. If you want to be the world's best nine at the moment, well, you know, who is it?
• 31:31
  tough. Don't forget Grant Williams. I was just going to say, Grant Williams is not about nine as well, is he? You cannot mention the whole Springbok side when we talk about the best players. You haven't mentioned one foreign, mate. You can't mention the whole team. Don't forget about it. That's all. Yeah. Let's get into our clip trip moment of the week.
• 31:53
  So just clarify for me, with the clip drift, you've got to send a bottle of gawk over to Victor because you were a little bit overconfident with your predictions?
• 32:03
  You know, what I've decided to do, although Clip Drift do sponsor us, is I'm going to go and when I get to South Africa, just before the All Blacks win the Test Series, I'm actually going to go and buy a bottle so Clip Drift can make an extra little bit of money out of me. And I'm going to gift it with some Coke. And I'm going to get Victor to make sure he brings the ice. And ice, yes.
• 32:24
  Yeah, no, you can bring the ice. You can do something, Victor. Well, let's just, because we've got a few more tests to go before we get to South Africa. So, you know, it might be more than one bottle that you're bringing along. What is your clip drift moment of the weekend, Victor? Yeah, I think it was South Africa's first try when Oxen-Chey went right through the middle to England's defenders. They couldn't stop him.
• 32:53
  I was actually hoping for the inside pass. Ruan Orkir was right next to him. I thought Ruan would have scored there. Unfortunately, he said prop forward, so he kept him to himself. And he went forward. Unfortunately, he got injured after that. But I mean, that carry from Oxen and Shea, definitely the best moment of the weekend.
• 33:12
  Well, I'm not going to be as prejudiced as Victor. And I'm actually going to pick Jelly Bear just because I have this picture in my mind in a losing side late in the game, that try that he scored. I don't know if we're allowed to use clips.
• 33:29
  here Ricardo or the World Rugby is still sort of really stupid about letting people use their clips. But there was this view from behind where you could see him moving around the back of the ruck and watching and then chose that. What I would say was like a tough lock or a tough loose forwards line.
• 33:48
  where he came back on the angle, and that stuck in my mind. In a losing side, I just thought, wow, what an amazing player. So obviously I could be like Victor and just pick all the All Blacks and every single moment that the All Blacks had, but I'm not going to do that. I'm going to show my openness to the other nations, unlike Victor. Do you think there will be any All Blacks in the team of the week or will it be all Springboks?
• 34:15
  Well, you're probably picking it, Victor. There might be someone on the bench. I see Dave, really don't like the word bomb squad. Yeah, fair enough. I don't either. Did we invent it? Did we invent that word, you and I, Victor? I can't remember who called it the bomb squad. Was it us? No, that's Russ's word. Him in 2019, starting 2019.
• 34:44
  It should be banned. The two things that we need to get out of this show is that the 28 kicks should be banned because they're actually dangerous and the bomb squad should be banned as well because it's horrible. You're going to have a good tour of South Africa, JK. Well, we've managed to get through the whole show without us asking Victor about his hat. Like, seriously, mate. Like, I have some fashion problems, but that is... You want to see... Look at that.
• 35:15
  Nice view. Kitsa here. Just having a little break after a great win by the Stringbox. We'll be back in Pretoria before the Test match. So, and this is my daughter's, what's it, Ostal, Vasti, Carlin. Don't get burnt, Victor. That's good sun safe. Sun safe, mate. No, don't worry about how you look. Just be sun safe. If you have a Clippis and Coke, you need a hat like this, sir.
• 35:44
  Yeah. We could possibly, you and I could possibly go shopping when I'm in South Africa, Victor. I can help you, yes. Get your nice hat. No. No, you can't help me. Nice glasses. No, you cannot help me. Right, that's the end of Rugby Rivals. It's getting messy. And we'll see you next week.