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RHONJ: Margaret THREATENS not to FILM? · Reality with The King

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of people have been anticipating my
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Speaker 2: response because I said on Everyone's podcast and cling my
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Speaker 2: own and wherever there was a microphone in a ring
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Speaker 2: light that I needed Melissa gone. I was very honest
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Speaker 2: about it. I've said that I don't want to see
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Speaker 2: a show with Teresa Melissa on at the same time
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Speaker 2: I'm done. I said, either you keep Teresa and lose
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Speaker 2: Melissa and put her on pause for a year, or
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Speaker 2: you keep Melissa and spin off Teresa Louis and the girls. Unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: no one listens to me like they never do, and
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Speaker 2: we see how that ends up for people.
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Speaker 1: But it is.
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Speaker 2: True, Sarah, everybody has been asked back before I give
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Speaker 2: you my deep dive opinion about it, which may surprise
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Speaker 2: some people or not.
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this, Sarah, Well, I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, similar to your thinking. There was a long period
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Speaker 3: of time where it wasn't even just my opinion, but
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Speaker 3: absolute expectation that it was seemingly impossible to continue the
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Speaker 3: story on New Jersey with both Tree and Melissa. To me,
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Speaker 3: it became less about and opinions of who you empathize
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Speaker 3: with most and more about just pure production logistics. Are
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Speaker 3: we going to see a season where the cast is
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Speaker 3: literally split in the worst possible way, where we can't
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Speaker 3: see group events or group dynamics, And honestly, now I'm
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Speaker 3: okay with it. I feel like they will figure a
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Speaker 3: way out. I honestly don't think that Teresa and Melissa
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Speaker 3: are the biggest hindrance to filming next season. I think
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Speaker 3: that there's somebody else who's going to have a bigger
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Speaker 3: impact in that, Oh, Louie. I think that there's going
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Speaker 3: to be a lot of difficulty with cast members wanting
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Speaker 3: to film with Louie. I don't think that it's about
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Speaker 3: Teresa and Melissa, or even Teresa and Joe. I think
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Speaker 3: that the last episode of the reunion was very bad
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Speaker 3: for Louie, which of course makes me concern for Teresa,
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Speaker 3: but like also for the cast moving forward, he threatened
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Speaker 3: everybody in the cast, like every time he took.
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Speaker 1: A allegedly, let's talk about this.
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Speaker 3: Literally literally literally potato otana.
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Speaker 1: But now listen, all jokes aside.
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Speaker 2: What is so interesting about all of this is the
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Speaker 2: fact that I have heard from a very reliable source
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Speaker 2: that allegedly Margaret Joseph has threatened not to film this
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Speaker 2: upcoming season of The Real Housewives in New Jersey if
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Speaker 2: Louie is a part of it. The reason being is
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Speaker 2: because as we all saw in the amazing three partment reunion,
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Speaker 2: that Margaret has alleged that Louie contacted her son at
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Speaker 2: his work, and they have the phone records to prove it.
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Speaker 2: And she said that not only did Louie contact her son,
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Speaker 2: that he.
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Speaker 1: You say, literally, I say, allegedly.
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Speaker 2: Threatened her son, and she doesn't want any involvement with him.
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Speaker 2: So I'm saying you are right in the sense of
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Speaker 2: that is what I'm also hearing.
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Speaker 1: One thing about The.
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Speaker 2: Real Housewives is at the end of the day, it
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Speaker 2: is about the women and their relationships.
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Speaker 1: Margaret is great.
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Speaker 2: For the show. She's a great housewife. I think Margaret's fantastic.
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Speaker 2: You got to be very careful when you threaten, allegedly threaten,
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Speaker 2: in this case, Margaret threatening not to film if somebody's
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Speaker 2: a part of it, because you don't want people to
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Speaker 2: call your bluff. So if that is true, Sarah, what
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Speaker 2: do you think about that?
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Speaker 1: Well?
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Speaker 3: Need I think that's an excellent point. I mean, BCC
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Speaker 3: the negotiations for legacy, because if you threatened to walk,
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Speaker 3: if you're not going to get what you're paid, Unfortunately,
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Speaker 3: even if you, I would argue, deserve it, they might
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Speaker 3: well walk. Like are you prepared for what's going to
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Speaker 3: happen if they take you at your word. It's hard
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Speaker 3: because I totally agree with what you're saying. I think
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Speaker 3: the worst possible thing his wife can do, aside from
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Speaker 3: one off moments when it's like spectacular, is to threaten
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Speaker 3: not to film. However, how much of that of what
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Speaker 3: Marge is saying is a threat versus a reaction? Like
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Speaker 3: how much of it is her just saying I hate
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Speaker 3: this person so I'm not going to film with them,
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Speaker 3: versus I am responding to how they behaved at the
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Speaker 3: reunion and what we are currently led to believe both
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Speaker 3: by Rachel the you know, questioning of what happened with
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Speaker 3: John Fuda's ex wife to what Louis himself was saying,
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Speaker 3: to the fact that he arranged for security to arrive
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Speaker 3: for his in Teresa's protection without informing production, Like, there's
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Speaker 3: a lot that happened that didn't make sense that Honestly,
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Speaker 3: I have a lot of empathy for Teresa about like,
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Speaker 3: I really I want her to be happy. I want
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Speaker 3: her to have her happy, happily ever after. But I
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Speaker 3: know so many huggers and people who are Team Tree,
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Speaker 3: who are like every alarm in my body is going
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Speaker 3: off about Louis. So I don't begrudge March for saying that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: No, A lot of people feel like Louie is dangerous
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Speaker 2: in general. A lot of people have alleged that they
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Speaker 2: believe Louie is using Teresa. A lot of people have
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Speaker 2: been alleging that Louie is taking advantage of Teresa's fame
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Speaker 2: to create his own notoriety by being.
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Speaker 1: Married to her.
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Speaker 2: I didn't watch last season of The Real House of Wasson,
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Speaker 2: New Jersey. I didn't see a lot of the Louie
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Speaker 2: behavior that a lot of people have saw to warrant
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Speaker 2: their opinions about him. I was very honest that I
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Speaker 2: have definitely communicated with Louie. From what I have experienced
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Speaker 2: with Louie, he has been nothing but a great person,
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Speaker 2: a great guy, very nice, very chill.
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Speaker 1: He loves Teresa.
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Speaker 2: That's my experience with Louie, and we all have our
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Speaker 2: own experience. So I'm not going to just mix up
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Speaker 2: that I haven't seen on the show, because I've been
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Speaker 2: very honest. I didn't watch the entire season because of that. Now,
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Speaker 2: based on what I saw at the reunion, I definitely
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Speaker 2: understand why.
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Speaker 1: People feel that way too.
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Speaker 2: But I also understand why people are saying, and I
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Speaker 2: said this too, Sarah. Okay, Margaret, if he threatened your son,
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Speaker 2: that is bad, and Louis should be condemned for that
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Speaker 2: one thousand percent, and I will stand by that. What
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Speaker 2: I questioned was why wasn't the receipt of the phone
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Speaker 2: record shown the way the text message with JaQuel Loreta
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Speaker 2: was shown as well? Is there some validity to it
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Speaker 2: or not? That was my questioning for that. But outside
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Speaker 2: of that, now that the entire cast is coming back,
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm gonna watch this upcoming season because
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Speaker 2: what I feel like is going to happen Sarah is
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Speaker 2: Teresa's over Melissa and what I hate from a show
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Speaker 2: that I've experienced, and I'm gonna give you guys some examples.
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Speaker 2: There is nothing worse than having main casts not speak
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Speaker 2: to each other for multiple episodes. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you guys know this season four of the Real Housewives
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Speaker 2: of Atlanta, Niini and Kim did not speak for the
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Speaker 2: entire season. And at that time in my career, I
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Speaker 2: was a supervising producer. I was brought up on that
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Speaker 2: show as being Niini and Kim's producer. I was the
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Speaker 2: closest to Ninie and Kim, and I could not merge
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Speaker 2: these two people together. I could not forge a conversation.
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Speaker 2: It damaged that season. Neie and Kim not speaking made
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Speaker 2: Season four of The Atlanta Housewives, in my opinion, one
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Speaker 2: of the worst seasons of Atlanta because you have these
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Speaker 2: two big stars whose friendship we loved, did not even
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Speaker 2: say a hello to each other. With Melissa and Teresa
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Speaker 2: coming back, Sarah, Teresa, She's not going to talk to Melissa.
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Speaker 2: No one can force her to do. It is going
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Speaker 2: to be a very word season. And I'm going to
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Speaker 2: say this, and y'all may be mad at me, I
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Speaker 2: think it's very shortsighted to bring everybody back, because I
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Speaker 2: think we're all yearning for something different, and.
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Speaker 3: Yet it feels like there would be a piece missing, honestly,
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Speaker 3: potentially if Teresa or Melissa were gone. And I know
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Speaker 3: that doesn't make any sense. And I was one of
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Speaker 3: the maybe few who really appreciated this season. I know
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Speaker 3: a lot of people were exhausted and over it, and
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Speaker 3: I completely understand it, and I wonder, honestly, how much
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Speaker 3: of my interest in it, like I was really all in,
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Speaker 3: how much of my interest in it was because I
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Speaker 3: assumed this was the last season with Teresa and Melissa.
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Speaker 2: I watched the finale, the wedding special, the three part reunion,
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Speaker 2: because I said, I want to be a part of
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Speaker 2: history where I get to see how Melissa and Teresa's
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Speaker 2: friendship ends. And I was, I'm going to be very
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Speaker 2: honest with you all. I was satisfied with the ending
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Speaker 2: of the story. I thought Melissa had her best reunion ever,
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Speaker 2: and I thought it was nice to see the ending
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Speaker 2: chapter of this story.
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Speaker 3: And I also think this conversation is incredibly important because
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Speaker 3: so often there the standum on social certainly really truly
11:14
Speaker 3: becomes like its own individual archetype, and there is this
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Speaker 3: idea because it feels like a reality that tree huggers
11:21
Speaker 3: and Gorgita crunches as we are known, which was named
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Speaker 3: by our friend Evan Real of page six. And I
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Speaker 3: say that noting that there have been times with Teresa
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Speaker 3: during Strippergate, during those Tucker seasons where it was difficult
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Speaker 3: for me to watch her because I thought, you know,
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Speaker 3: the thing with Teresa is her capacity to really understand
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Speaker 3: on an emotional perspective another person's experience or opinion has
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Speaker 3: been very complicated for her, just in my humble opinion.
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Speaker 3: That being said, I can disagree with Teresa's behavior and
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Speaker 3: absolutely still want the best for her. And I can
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Speaker 3: disagree with Teresa's behavior and also say that the original
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Speaker 3: sin needs to be resolved between Teresa and Melissa and
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Speaker 3: joining the show, which is not to say that they
12:15
Speaker 3: had a great relationship. It's not to say that this
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Speaker 3: was entirely subterfuge, although obviously you would have a lot
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Speaker 3: more to say about that, literally, not allegedly. But with
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Speaker 3: that being said, I think that there is some nuance
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Speaker 3: here of steps that could be taken so that Teresa
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Speaker 3: feels heard, and I don't know if the same can
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Speaker 3: be said for Melissa. I don't know that Teresa has
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Speaker 3: that capacity. I think the olive branch always has to
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Speaker 3: be extended to her first. But some of that might
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Speaker 3: be because of the original sin, because of Teresa feeling
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Speaker 3: like she was misled and manipulated in how her brother
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Speaker 3: and sister in law joined the show. I have the
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Speaker 3: capacity personally to find a lot of nuance in Gray
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Speaker 3: in this, but I also think Melissa at the union
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Speaker 3: was like a fucking superstar egot level performance. I thought
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Speaker 3: she was on fire. It was like giving go girl,
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Speaker 3: give us nothing, which I was into.
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Speaker 2: Okay, now, Sarah, I have to ask, are you telling
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Speaker 2: me that you are looking forward to seeing the same
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Speaker 2: CAZ next season.
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Speaker 3: I am telling you that based on Melissa's performance, it
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Speaker 3: would make no sense for her to leave at this point,
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Speaker 3: and if they don't want to cut Tree and have
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Speaker 3: her be on a spinoff, because I think Louie has
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Speaker 3: an impact in that and I think he lost a
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Speaker 3: lot of people by his behavior at the reunion, which
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Speaker 3: didn't make sense. And I do just have to circle
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Speaker 3: back on one little thing you said, which was a
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Speaker 3: question about Marge not having a screenshot that feels comparable
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Speaker 3: to like the actual phone record. The important thing there
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Speaker 3: to me is that Teresa and Louie both acknowledged that
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Speaker 3: it was his phone number, which is why the little
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Speaker 3: action after of like Teresa being like, oh my god,
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Speaker 3: someone's calling me right after texting on her phone being like, look,
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Speaker 3: this is an example of how someone could call from
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Speaker 3: someone else. It's like, I don't think that Teresa and
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Speaker 3: Louie were questioning that somehow magically someone called from Louie's
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Speaker 3: phone number, So I think that's important, Like, if they're
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Speaker 3: not questioning the fact that that happened, we should believe
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Speaker 3: them in that sense. It's just a matter of Louie
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Speaker 3: taking responsibility for it.
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Speaker 1: If he did it, condemn him.
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Speaker 2: And I mean that, And I'm going on a record
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Speaker 2: saying that nobody should threaten someone's child.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if they're eighth, eighteen or eighty eight.
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Speaker 2: They did not sign on to do the show, and
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Speaker 2: I think that's something that is gross and I'm never
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Speaker 2: going to waiver from that. So I want the world
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Speaker 2: to know if Louis did that, it's gross, and if
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Speaker 2: Margaret is saying because he did it, allegedly.
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Speaker 1: And that she doesn't want to film.
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Speaker 2: Look, I will say this, nobody wants to feel like
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Speaker 2: you're giving them an ultimatum. It's not going to end
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Speaker 2: well for you. People don't like ultimatums. It doesn't end
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Speaker 2: well for you. The other thing that's not ending well
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Speaker 2: in terms for me, Sarah, is the fact that Jersey
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Speaker 2: to Me was one of the best franchises in the world.
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Speaker 2: I'm disturbed, quite honestly, because it's okay to get rid
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Speaker 2: of Lisa Rena.
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Speaker 1: It's okay to put her on pause.
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Speaker 2: It's okay to put Derenda on Pauls. It's okay to
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Speaker 2: put Tamra on Pauls. It's okay to put kenyam Moore
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Speaker 2: on Pauls. These women who are iconic and deliver. Why
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Speaker 2: is it okay for these other women who are iconic
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Speaker 2: If you agree to be put on palls and you
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Speaker 2: mean to tell me we can't at least say let's see,
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Speaker 2: let's just see what a season could be like without
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Speaker 2: one of them.
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Speaker 3: And I hear you, But I think the difference there,
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Speaker 3: certainly in those samples, which I think are important, is
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Speaker 3: that when you look at Dirinda's last season when you
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Speaker 3: look at Rena's last season, if you look at Kenya's
16:09
Speaker 3: last season, if you look at Nini's last season, there
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Speaker 3: is a common denominator, which is not even the relationships
16:17
Speaker 3: with other people, but a certain element of like over
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Speaker 3: it darkness, especially with Dorinda, who truly couldn't acknowledge misbehavior
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Speaker 3: because within the storytelling of that season it was directly
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Speaker 3: connected to her drinking, which she refused to acknowledge. With Renna,
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Speaker 3: she was just doing too fucking much and it was
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Speaker 3: almost unwatchable. And with Tamra, it felt like she had
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Speaker 3: reached over the very very top of whatever boiling a
16:50
Speaker 3: point would have occurred where it's like, this isn't driving
16:53
Speaker 3: us forward. And it's not to say these aren't spectacular housewives,
16:56
Speaker 3: it's just to say that it felt like they needed
16:59
Speaker 3: to ease or be put on pause. And Andy said,
17:02
Speaker 3: Derenda's the only one who really was or let go
17:06
Speaker 3: with Renna and Tamra, who who honestly is a superstar
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Speaker 3: for fucking acknowledging it and being like, yeah, I was
17:11
Speaker 3: fired and now I'm back, but I was fired. I
17:14
Speaker 3: think with Melissa, it's it's a question of relationship and circumstance,
17:18
Speaker 3: which isn't to say that's not an issue, but it's
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Speaker 3: to me not about her actual behavior. It's not that
17:24
Speaker 3: she's in a state of denial or a state where
17:27
Speaker 3: it's like, there's no coming back from this right now
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Speaker 3: because you're doing too much. I personally don't see that.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't take away from the like, how the fuck
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Speaker 3: are we moving forward if these two people literally are
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Speaker 3: dead to each other. I don't have an answer for that.
17:42
Speaker 3: But I did think that the Lewis stuff, aside the
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Speaker 3: reunion was still really fascinating and obviously really sad, and
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Speaker 3: I don't it's it's a question mark. Maybe there's some
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Speaker 3: idea or maybe there's an understanding with Teresa and Maliss
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Speaker 3: where it's like we'ren't neither of us want to say
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Speaker 3: no to the fame, to the celebrity, into the paycheck,
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Speaker 3: and so they're just gonna have to figure something out.
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Speaker 2: Outside of Kenya. I didn't feel like Kenya's last season
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Speaker 2: she jumped the shark. But I do agree with you
18:11
Speaker 2: about Tamra, Lisa, Morenda and Derenda about their last seasons
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Speaker 2: before they would put on palls, it was sort of
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Speaker 2: jumped the shark ish. It was sort of like they
18:20
Speaker 2: became a caricature of themselves, a little bit breaking the
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Speaker 2: fourth wall and feel like I'm the star and behaving
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Speaker 2: that way. With that being said, do you think Teresa
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Speaker 2: should be put on pause?
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought I thought that. I always
18:35
Speaker 3: assumed that there were two housewives. I think, and I
18:39
Speaker 3: could probably still argue this that have for reasons relating
18:44
Speaker 3: to seniority or just having a foundational role in a
18:47
Speaker 3: franchise would not to me be let go in any
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Speaker 3: way in the mere future. And I would say that
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Speaker 3: for Kyle and Teresa that I just think, say what
18:56
Speaker 3: you want about Kyle. She's not an alpha. She's a
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Speaker 3: very strong and she is at the foundation of the
19:03
Speaker 3: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. And I think Kyle's in
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Speaker 3: my top five. But regardless of that, I think that
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Speaker 3: she's foundational. Teresa's not in my top five. I can
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Speaker 3: acknowledge she's really fucking important for the history of housewives,
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Speaker 3: and I can also say that she deserves I think
19:20
Speaker 3: she deserves to stay on the show. Like you can
19:23
Speaker 3: respect someone's history and power and the gifts they've given
19:27
Speaker 3: to housewives and also say I don't know that there's
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Speaker 3: a future for them moving forward. I wouldn't say that
19:31
Speaker 3: about Teresa, but I do think as someone who is
19:36
Speaker 3: appreciative for Teresa that at a certain point it can
19:39
Speaker 3: be difficult to watch her refuse to like listen and
19:44
Speaker 3: have capacity for someone else's opinion if it is in
19:48
Speaker 3: direct contrast to her own. That can be tough. That's
19:52
Speaker 3: also maybe what makes her a good housewife is like
19:55
Speaker 3: the refusal to acknowledge that that's still going to be
19:58
Speaker 3: tough for me. But but you know, I don't think
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Speaker 3: that Teresa or Melissa should necessarily lose their job. As
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Speaker 3: in watching the reunion in its entirety, I really.
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Speaker 1: Don't stay tuned.
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Speaker 2: We look into this conversation right after these quick ass
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20:25
Speaker 2: we're faced with tough choices and the path forward isn't
20:28
Speaker 2: always clear.
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Speaker 1: You know.
20:30
Speaker 2: Look, as the king of reality television, I wear mini hats.
20:34
Speaker 2: But that also means I need to be able to
20:36
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Speaker 2: I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Sarah,
22:58
Speaker 2: I have to ask you this, speaking of networks and
23:02
Speaker 2: executives not lacking aultimatums, do you think by Teresa telling Melissa, well,
23:09
Speaker 2: I'm glad this the last time I'm going to see you,
23:12
Speaker 2: and Melissa's like, where are you going? She said, Oh,
23:14
Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere, honey, you are She said, oh really,
23:16
Speaker 2: I am kind of intimating that one of us has
23:19
Speaker 2: to go. And Teresa even went as far as saying, well,
23:23
Speaker 2: you know, people are saying the show can move forward
23:26
Speaker 2: with the two of us, and Andy sort of made
23:28
Speaker 2: a face.
23:29
Speaker 1: Right.
23:30
Speaker 2: Do you think that statement made the network think, even
23:35
Speaker 2: if we were thinking about maybe putting Melissa on pause,
23:39
Speaker 2: we can't make it seem like Teresa have the power
23:41
Speaker 2: to initiate it.
23:43
Speaker 3: I don't think that ultimately any decision about Melissa's future
23:46
Speaker 3: would have been decided by that moment alone. I think
23:49
Speaker 3: that moment became illustrative for people because it was Melissa
23:53
Speaker 3: had a very quick, smart ass response, and because it
23:56
Speaker 3: was a moment that exemplified a lot about this date
24:00
Speaker 3: of their current relationship. That's why people latched onto it.
24:03
Speaker 3: But I absolutely don't think for a single moment that
24:06
Speaker 3: that was the reason that Melissa's back. Similar by the
24:10
Speaker 3: way to me to Carol saying to Andy, you're scared
24:13
Speaker 3: of her to Bethany, like that was an iconic moment
24:16
Speaker 3: that was illustrative. That moment is specific in and of itself,
24:20
Speaker 3: because I do think it pissed off Andy, but I
24:22
Speaker 3: don't think that's why Carol wasn't has back, like something
24:26
Speaker 3: could become an example and not be the reason. And
24:29
Speaker 3: this is to me kind of what that was illustrative
24:32
Speaker 3: of the relationship, but not a directional to anybody in
24:36
Speaker 3: a position of power casting.
24:38
Speaker 2: Her Otherwise, Teresa looks at Melissa as if she was
24:44
Speaker 2: the judge who sentenced her to camp. Teresa never loved
24:48
Speaker 2: Melissa ever, and the way Teresa looks at Melissa. I
24:54
Speaker 2: don't think the constant notion of saying hey, it is
24:58
Speaker 2: about the check. I think think it works season three,
25:01
Speaker 2: four or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.
25:05
Speaker 2: And I just think Teresa at the point now where
25:07
Speaker 2: it's like I was a professional, I did my job.
25:11
Speaker 2: I did everything you guys asked me to do. I'm
25:14
Speaker 2: telling you physically, physically, I can't even look her direction.
25:18
Speaker 2: So if you force them in a scene together and
25:21
Speaker 2: you forced Teresa talk to her, You're going to see
25:24
Speaker 2: like and that's my concern Sarah watching, it will feel
25:27
Speaker 2: like you guys are forcing these women to converse and
25:30
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel natural.
25:32
Speaker 1: And that's my concern for the show moving forward.
25:36
Speaker 3: I think you're spot on. I think that is, honestly
25:38
Speaker 3: a little bit of an AHA moment, what you said
25:40
Speaker 3: about Teresa looking at Melissa and seeing honestly the face
25:44
Speaker 3: of the judge who sentenced her. I think that there
25:48
Speaker 3: is something very spiritually to be said about that, and
25:51
Speaker 3: I think that's concerning. I don't know how much of
25:54
Speaker 3: that has to do with Melissa's behavior. I think a
25:58
Speaker 3: lot of that starts with Teresa. The fact that at
26:01
Speaker 3: this point one hundred years later, we are still litigating
26:05
Speaker 3: who sent Teresa to camp when the answer is so
26:09
Speaker 3: fucking obvious that I think Andy was in a place
26:12
Speaker 3: of shock. When it's like Joe, who Teresa even said,
26:16
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to hurt me, but maybe he was out to,
26:18
Speaker 3: you know, screw with juicy Joe. Joe Gorga did not
26:21
Speaker 3: send her to jail. Her husband did. Her husband betrayed her,
26:26
Speaker 3: her husband deceived her. So when we start to conflate
26:30
Speaker 3: what happened with the Gorgas joining the show and who
26:33
Speaker 3: is responsible for some of the biggest heartbreak of her life,
26:36
Speaker 3: losing time with her parents, losing her marriage, having to
26:40
Speaker 3: survive as a single parent and provide for her kids
26:43
Speaker 3: and payback taxes and everything else that is not on
26:46
Speaker 3: Joe Borga. So when we get into a conversation of
26:49
Speaker 3: you didn't film with me, I only you know, let
26:52
Speaker 3: you come to the prison when the contracts were signed
26:55
Speaker 3: for the spinoff and you didn't film with me, and
26:57
Speaker 3: putting food for the kids on the table. I get
27:00
Speaker 3: some of Teresa's upset there, but it feels like there's
27:04
Speaker 3: a lot of misplaced anger and rage. And I say
27:07
Speaker 3: that noting that, as you just said really eloquently and correctly.
27:12
Speaker 3: I think when it comes to having faith, Theresa never
27:16
Speaker 3: had faith in Melissa like she did in Jacqueline, like
27:19
Speaker 3: she did in Caroline, like she maybe did in Daniel
27:22
Speaker 3: Stop for three seconds, Like, you can't lose the faith
27:25
Speaker 3: if you never had it, which doesn't mean that another
27:28
Speaker 3: person's behavior can't hurt you. But the stakes were much
27:31
Speaker 3: higher for her friends because she really did consider them family.
27:36
Speaker 3: So like your spot on there and the thing that
27:39
Speaker 3: I talked about on Andy's Girls, which is a pot
27:41
Speaker 3: all about the psychology behind the housewives, is how I
27:45
Speaker 3: don't think this is in any way realistic, and I
27:48
Speaker 3: don't know what it would actually do long term, but
27:51
Speaker 3: I think short term, if there was a conversation but
27:54
Speaker 3: and this is imaginary, this isn't gonna I under I
27:56
Speaker 3: acknowledged this like exists in my head, this is my
27:59
Speaker 3: own spirit arsenal. But if it was possible to have
28:03
Speaker 3: not Louis there, but Teresa in a room with Teresa
28:06
Speaker 3: and Melissa, or Teresa and Melissa and Joe, maybe just
28:10
Speaker 3: Teresa and Melissa and have a conversation where maybe Melissa says, listen,
28:15
Speaker 3: we were in a shitty dynamic as sisters in law
28:17
Speaker 3: before I'm not going to get into it. We can
28:21
Speaker 3: have a conversation about whether I went behind your back
28:23
Speaker 3: to join Housewives. That's the original sin. What I can
28:27
Speaker 3: acknowledge is, regardless of who facebooked whom first, I understood
28:32
Speaker 3: that me joining the show would fuck with you. I
28:36
Speaker 3: think we could move forward a little bit, and to me,
28:38
Speaker 3: as a Gorgiana Crunch, that's not me thinking that Melissa
28:42
Speaker 3: is the devil. That's me thinking that these are two
28:45
Speaker 3: people who are already in a toxic dynamic as sisters
28:48
Speaker 3: in law, and Melissa understood that joining the show is
28:52
Speaker 3: going to upset her sister in law, and she did
28:53
Speaker 3: it anyway. I don't think that makes Melissa the devil.
28:57
Speaker 3: I think that makes Melissa someone who sees an opportunity.
29:00
Speaker 3: But until they get to that point and figure out
29:04
Speaker 3: a way to meet in the middle with the original sin,
29:07
Speaker 3: how Melissa joined the show, I don't know that we
29:10
Speaker 3: can get anywhere else.
29:11
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing I agree with you, I said.
29:13
Speaker 2: I said, if Melissa would have said, look bitch, I did,
29:15
Speaker 2: if we were friends, I'm sorry, let's move on. I've
29:18
Speaker 2: been but guess what, honey, I've been on the shop
29:20
Speaker 2: for ten years, kiss my ass.
29:21
Speaker 1: I would have been like, yes, m low, now.
29:24
Speaker 2: Go perform with go perform with Shakira at the super Bowl.
29:27
Speaker 2: Bitch like work, But I got it, so by in
29:31
Speaker 2: closing of that particular section, I agree with you one
29:36
Speaker 2: hundred percent, Sarah.
29:37
Speaker 1: But this the gag.
29:38
Speaker 2: I don't care to hear y'all talk about that shit anymore.
29:42
Speaker 2: I'm over it, like I want to move on from it.
29:45
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll just have to see, Sarah.
29:50
Speaker 3: Can I just say one little ps, of course, which
29:53
Speaker 3: is circling back a little to something that I have
29:55
Speaker 3: acknowledged once or twice, But I do just want to say,
29:59
Speaker 3: and this be too cynical of me, but I also
30:03
Speaker 3: think it's obvious and very realistic. The best case scenario
30:08
Speaker 3: for Teresa right now is for Joe and Melissa to
30:11
Speaker 3: return to the show, because if Joe and Melissa were
30:14
Speaker 3: not on the show and Teresa was, all of the
30:17
Speaker 3: attention next season would shift to being on Louie because
30:22
Speaker 3: there is so many questions. There are so many questions
30:24
Speaker 3: about them about him. He did not behave well at
30:27
Speaker 3: the reunion, and people are genuinely concerned. I don't think
30:31
Speaker 3: Teresa or Louie, regardless of whether or not there's any
30:34
Speaker 3: merit to that, I don't think they would want that
30:38
Speaker 3: to happen. So to have Joe and Melissa on might
30:42
Speaker 3: still include Louie conversation, but it wouldn't be all hands
30:46
Speaker 3: on deck eighteen different arsenals looking directly at him. And
30:51
Speaker 3: I know that's a difficult pill to swallow, but so
30:54
Speaker 3: is Louie.
30:55
Speaker 1: So I mean consider it vitamin g like how not
31:02
Speaker 1: viden bit Gorgita crunch.
31:06
Speaker 2: Oh, Sarah, you are a so look again, And guys,
31:11
Speaker 2: I want to say this on the record, so listen up.
31:13
Speaker 1: Quite the music, quite everything.
31:15
Speaker 2: Do don do, dun do dun If next season is good,
31:19
Speaker 2: I'll be the first bitch to acknowledge it, admit it,
31:23
Speaker 2: and would eat some humble pie because I'm.
31:25
Speaker 1: Always going to be honest.
31:27
Speaker 2: I am telling you, guys, I am going to watch
31:29
Speaker 2: the first episode. That's the best I can promise you.
31:33
Speaker 2: Rain Drops, Carlos King the first is promising on my
31:38
Speaker 2: national platform that I will watch the first episode of
31:44
Speaker 2: the upcoming season of The Real House, Washing New Jersey
31:47
Speaker 2: and Baby.
31:48
Speaker 1: If you guys don't hook me into something.
31:50
Speaker 2: New and fresh, then I'm out.
31:54
Speaker 1: I was out after two episodes last season.
31:57
Speaker 2: So I'm a man of my word, and if I'm wrong,
31:59
Speaker 2: I will come back on this podcast. Make me some
32:03
Speaker 2: plant based humble pie, and eat that motherfucker in front
32:07
Speaker 2: of everybody.
32:08
Speaker 1: Okay, we love.
32:09
Speaker 3: A gluten freek craft.
32:13
Speaker 2: It would be crunchy lack of orgita. Now, Sarah, before
32:17
Speaker 2: I let you go, my love. The Real Housewives of
32:20
Speaker 2: New York City reboot premiered recently. We're going to recap
32:24
Speaker 2: that much later this season. But you just so happened
32:28
Speaker 2: to have gone to the premiere, the rid carpet premiere
32:32
Speaker 2: that featured the new cast, Andy Cohen, some other Bravo celebrities,
32:37
Speaker 2: I believe. Can you tell us what happened at this
32:41
Speaker 2: rick carpet invite only premiere party.
32:45
Speaker 3: So I was fortunate enough to attend the premiere party,
32:50
Speaker 3: which was last night at the Rainbow Room here in
32:52
Speaker 3: New York City, extremely bougie affair. It was like a
32:57
Speaker 3: lot of fun. All of us got a absolutely slashed,
33:01
Speaker 3: like full on turtle time with shamps. Andy was mingling
33:06
Speaker 3: with the crowd throughout the night. The cast was mingling.
33:09
Speaker 3: I did use my go girl, give us nothing in
33:12
Speaker 3: conversation with Jenna Lyons, who I was like, you're the
33:15
Speaker 3: reason I wore schambre and a pencil skirt when I
33:18
Speaker 3: interviewed Kristin Tapan and she said, you know, this season,
33:23
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a little bit of a dud.
33:25
Speaker 3: And I said, no, Jenna, we want that, Like, go girl,
33:28
Speaker 3: give us nothing. I literally said that to her in
33:31
Speaker 3: a group of people. I was like, yes, Queen.
33:33
Speaker 2: Like, don't deliver, Like, let's see what.
33:36
Speaker 3: That energy is like, Like, we don't always need an alpha,
33:40
Speaker 3: we need someone maybe to be a little tapped out.
33:44
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Maybe it's an under promise.
33:47
Speaker 3: I'm not quite sure. But unfortunately word has gotten out
33:52
Speaker 3: of a little unfortunate occurrence, which is that one of
33:56
Speaker 3: the cast members fell ill on the red carpet. Jessel
34:02
Speaker 3: had flown I guess all night from Australia and hadn't
34:07
Speaker 3: slept and was very tired, and unfortunately was sick on
34:12
Speaker 3: the red carpet and in the bathroom. Because I think
34:15
Speaker 3: her body like it wasn't being drunk, over served or anything.
34:19
Speaker 3: I think she just had a little tummy situation. Or
34:24
Speaker 3: what else. And I just was like, oh my god,
34:27
Speaker 3: and this is your introduction to the press, and like
34:29
Speaker 3: such a big night in your life. And she really
34:33
Speaker 3: was sick. I'm gesticulating with my hands a little bit,
34:39
Speaker 3: like on the red carpet and they had to direct
34:42
Speaker 3: people around it while they were cleaning up. I felt
34:46
Speaker 3: so badly for her, and I said to a friend
34:49
Speaker 3: who works at Bravo, I was like, take my electrolytes,
34:51
Speaker 3: because I always have emergency gatory zero. I was like,
34:54
Speaker 3: I have different flavors and she wants great if she
34:57
Speaker 3: wants cherry, like I'm for our girl, Like make sure
35:02
Speaker 3: she is allectually. Yeah, poor poor jos. I think she
35:05
Speaker 3: left early understandably.
35:06
Speaker 1: So yeah, what the cast? Nice?
35:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got to spend time with Brynn, who's essentially
35:13
Speaker 3: America's sweetheart. Every the entirety of this used to be
35:17
Speaker 3: gay Twitter but is now gay threads. Every single person
35:21
Speaker 3: I know is obsessed with Brinn and her tabline.
35:25
Speaker 1: What is it?
35:25
Speaker 3: If you make me mad, I'll date your dad? Are
35:27
Speaker 3: you kidding me? That's beyond iconic she was. And also
35:33
Speaker 3: they all looked so hot, like they were dressed to
35:37
Speaker 3: dress sparkles everywhere, I mean, and I spent a while
35:42
Speaker 3: talking to Tony Danza, who was.
35:44
Speaker 2: There Diaz on TV Daddy from just like that, you
35:49
Speaker 2: mean to tell me Shay das Dad Tony Danza.
35:54
Speaker 3: Tony Danza was there, Like why am I here? Tony
35:57
Speaker 3: Danza was there? Wait, You're gonna die. Carlos has literally
36:01
Speaker 3: bent over with you, saying, Carlos, You're gonna die. Do
36:03
Speaker 3: you know who else was there? This is like so random,
36:07
Speaker 3: but I was delighted. Eve Plum, who played Jam on
36:11
Speaker 3: the original Brady Bunch, was there in like a triple
36:14
Speaker 3: strand of pearls and like a bouclet, like little jacket
36:20
Speaker 3: or something. It might not a bit bouclet, but it
36:22
Speaker 3: was like tweet or something.
36:23
Speaker 2: I mean, I tell me, Jam from the Brady Brunch
36:26
Speaker 2: was actually at the premiere of the reboot of New
36:29
Speaker 2: York City Housewives.
36:31
Speaker 3: I was like, so lovely to meet you. Great American
36:35
Speaker 3: history and like how do we find ourselves here? Like
36:38
Speaker 3: how how did this happen? And I think she was
36:42
Speaker 3: with someone or so, I don't even remember, but it
36:44
Speaker 3: was it was wonderful and just like that, I mean,
36:46
Speaker 3: so many cameos from it has to be an indicator
36:49
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36:53
Speaker 3: Marsha Marshall.
36:54
Speaker 2: Marsha Okay, I brought out all school versus news school,
36:58
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37:04
Speaker 2: I have to invite you back to recap one of
37:06
Speaker 2: the episodes of the reboot of the Real Housewives of
37:10
Speaker 2: New York City, just to see if we think is
37:12
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37:16
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37:54
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