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Could Classic Rock's Biggest Stars Be Hurting Their Own Legacy? · Classic Metal Show

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, this is Jeremy from Sanhedrin and you are watching CMS-TV.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's TNT right here on your classic metal show, as far as the eye can see.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: That one going out by request to Marcus.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Heard some classic Aerosmith in there with Seasons of Wither for Winter Steel.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_01: Mott the Hoople with Marionette for Jackal.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Nazareth with Go Down Fighting for Demolich and kicking off that block,
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: we heard Iron Maiden with The Wicker Man for John Phillips.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: That Mott the Hoople song was pure trash.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Ha ha ha.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: That literally sounded like Bad Queen mixed with the John Travolta songs on
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_00: the Grease soundtrack.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was performance art.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: It was shit is what it was.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take AI over that any day of the week twice tomorrow.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: How about that?
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Fucking junk.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_00: They needed some AI to give them some direction on that shit sandwich.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus, that was terrible.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Did you like that song?
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Very, very artistic.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was very artsy.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Benjamin, it's a work of art.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
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  SPEAKER_00: See, it's artsy.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what else is art?
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Shitting on a canvas.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: Or going around sniffing chicks' ass.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's art too.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: The art of the ass smell.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, Jim, that was not awesome.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was the polar opposite of awesome.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: That was like being raped.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was ear rape.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Ear rape.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_00: That was the worst.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: Ear rape my eye.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_00: J-Rad, the Mott song kind of made me want to go and suck a dick.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's about right.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_02: That's about right.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Jim, you could try and slam Neely.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: Neely's not the one that brought it up.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's me.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can talk all the shit you want about Neely, Lake, and Doc, and blah, blah, blah.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking shit.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: So tell me how bad Metallica and Pantera are compared to Mott the Hoople
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  SPEAKER_02: with your shitbag songs.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's garbage.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's garbage.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_02: Play that a little.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: Play me a little bit of that.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: What the, Mary Annette?
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_02: Give me a little of that junk.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's garbage.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's pure shit.
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  SPEAKER_01: All
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  right,
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  here we are.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's not the same song, is it?
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: There it is.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: Is this Baby Elephant Walk?
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: A liar won't bend my lips to wire.
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  SPEAKER_02: Trash.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: Don't pressurize me so.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: Don't gamble with my life or you won't live to do it twice.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, take some good advice from me.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: This guy, this is, is this Ian Hunter?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Is that Ian Hunter?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking old fucking mannequin face.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fuck Ian Hunter and fuck Mott the Hoople.
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  SPEAKER_02: That sucks.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Jim, you can try all you want.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_02: Pantera can't touch Mott.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fuck out of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Pantera wouldn't want to touch Mott.
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  SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't want to be accused of sucking cock.
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  SPEAKER_02: That is a fag song.
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  SPEAKER_02: Faggy.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: They play that song at every tranny convention.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_02: Every trans parade starts with that Mott the Hoople song.
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  SPEAKER_02: Fucking garbage.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: I bet the cover of that album has rainbows everywhere, doesn't it, Fruit Loop?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now fuck out of here with that shit.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's some terrible music.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, terrible.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: That really wasn't good.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_02: You can like it all you want, Jim.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine if you want to come out.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
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  SPEAKER_02: We've known you were gay for a long time, Jim.
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  SPEAKER_02: You just made it official.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did not like that song, even a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was listening to it, and I'm like waiting for it to get somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know,
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  SPEAKER_02: because as much,
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  SPEAKER_02: and I'll be honest,
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  SPEAKER_02: as much as I crack on Jim a lot of the times,
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know any of these fucking songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not from the 40s, so I don't know any of these fucking songs.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm genuinely interested when he doesn't pick something that's super common,
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  SPEAKER_02: which in Jim's defense,
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  SPEAKER_02: most of the time he does not go smoke on the water or knocking on your back door.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, he'll dig a little deeper into a Rainbow album or something.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm listening to this song and I'm like, All right, what is this?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I saw in the chat room they were saying Mott and Mott the Hoople and blah, blah, blah.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, all right, this is going to go somewhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm listening and I'm listening.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, where's this fucking going?
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm waiting for John Travolta to come out and sing Grease Lightning
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  SPEAKER_02: on this fucking terrible song.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying Mott the Hoople is even a bad band.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know.
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  SPEAKER_02: What was their hit?
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  SPEAKER_02: One Spit and Twice Shy?
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: Is that them?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: I believe so, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I know that one because of Great White.
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  SPEAKER_02: All right, whatever.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: Enjoy your Mata Hoople there, Jim.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Fantastic.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope your family's okay with knowing that you're a gay man.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's good to know.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_00: Way to come clean, buddy.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: Should we get into something here?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's get into something.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to give you your pick.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to do all three of these tonight, so I'll let you pick what we go with first.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we got plenty of time.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: We can go with the Scorpions residency being postponed.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: We can go with a bunch of new music that came out this week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or we can come back with
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  SPEAKER_02: The Return.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: Of Diamond Dave.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think that would be a good wrap up.
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  SPEAKER_01: So let's go with Scorpions.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: Let's get the Scorps here.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Scorpions postpone 2026 Las Vegas residency due to unforeseen circumstances.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: What do you think that would That is the million-dollar question, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Which they are not telling.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you think it's a health thing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I do.
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  SPEAKER_02: These guys are old.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know they're old.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're 80 years old.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so who do you think it is, Klaus?
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  SPEAKER_02: Hasn't he been having some health issues?
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, he's...
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what the vocal issue is,
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  SPEAKER_01: but Klaus is,
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  SPEAKER_01: as long as he's been doing this,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: for 60 years,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's had ups and downs with vocal issues, which is how Don got his career.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because Klaus was having vocal issues during the blackout.
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  SPEAKER_00: 81 or whatever that would have been.
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  SPEAKER_00: 81, 82.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that's a possibility.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_01: But then I've heard,
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  SPEAKER_01: this is not confirmed,
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  SPEAKER_01: but Rudolph
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  SPEAKER_01: has been having some issues just moving about the stage.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: I had not heard that.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm being told.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then Mickey had a problem with his foot.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: He almost lost his foot.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: He had what, sepsis or something, right?
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: He had sepsis.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was rotting.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: His foot was rotting.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Unreal.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so these guys, you know, these guys are not, you know, young bucks anymore.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's got to be something a little more serious than
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to think vocals.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm going to think bigger health issue.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_02: They moved this to September of next year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Assuming they'll still be alive.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're still alive.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: But, I mean, they're banking on rescheduling this 13 months later.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't sound like six months of getting your vocal,
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_01: low vocal surgery and being back.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe,
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what their touring schedule is like between now and then,
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_01: but if it's vocal issues with Klaus,
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: that'll give him a year to get his vocals back in order to perform.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Question is, do we want them to come back?
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, from the shows I've seen, it's surprisingly...
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not good that they're still performing at a high level.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Are they 1980 something high level?
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, but for their age and sounding as good as they do and the show that they put on,
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: it's a big show.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm not denying that.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: My thing, and it continues to be my thing with every one of these bands, where's the dignity?
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Where is the dignity of not running yourself completely into Frankie Valley zone?
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean, I'm going to make an assumption here.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm going to assume that the members of the Scorpions do not need money.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's not about the money.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: Which lends me to saying, you know, where's the dignity to
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: say, you know what?
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're still a great band and we're just done.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're 80 years old.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to enjoy the three good years of retirement that we have left and we're out.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's just,
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: I just knowing,
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: obviously knowing people in the music business that have claimed
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: that they're retiring and then they don't because reality sets in.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, This is my whole life.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is what I do.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: And if I retire today, even though I'm still capable, what am I going to do?
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like every other person.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: The person that retires from installing tires goes and plants flowers and shit in his yard.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: But the guy who installs tires didn't do it on...
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  SPEAKER_01: A level of being celebrity.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_01: Being celebrity is a really hard pill to not have anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you still would
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  SPEAKER_02: have it.
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  SPEAKER_02: You're going to tell me that Klaus Mein is all of a sudden going to not be
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: a celebrity because he's not out on tour?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, being a performance celebrity,
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  SPEAKER_01: being out there feeling the reaction of the crowd and the people and the excitement
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: and, you know, Just go do what you do.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, these guys need to take more of a, like an NFL football player.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: When it's over, it's just over.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_02: These guys are like boxers.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Boxers and musicians are almost the same.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_02: They go until they're getting kicked around every single fucking show they play.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: And And again,
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: this is probably because I'm a little too passionate for the music business
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: in general.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: But it makes me mad as a fan when I see a band
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: that 100% cannot do it anymore out there still taking money and still pretending
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_00: that they can.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's annoying.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's annoying to see David Lee
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_02: Roth in the condition he's in now.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's bad to see Vince Neil now.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's not fun,
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: as Don Dawkins' friend,
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  SPEAKER_02: to see Don out there struggling the way he does,
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: show after show after show,
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: and then to see 4,000,
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: and this is for all three guys,
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: not just Don,
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_00: but for all three of these guys, they do a performance, and then what happens?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: They get absolutely murdered online.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: And whether they care or they don't care, Their reputation just keeps on getting beaten.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that as a fan,
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: as somebody that cares about these songs,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: these albums,
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: this music,
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: as somebody that fucking played Van Halen 1 9 billion times and played Under Lock
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: and Key for anybody that would listen to it and played fucking Shout at
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: the Devil
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: for anybody that their parents wouldn't let them listen to it.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: To see these shells of what they used to be and being like, yeah, I'm still a fan, goddammit.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: That fucking sucks, man.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, does it not
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: for you?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Trust me.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in the thick of it.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: I see it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and I'm not saying to say what Don or anybody else would say,
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: but in general, do they get it?
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: In general.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think they do.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is,
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_01: and again,
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: it's not,
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think that it's ego so much as it's just,
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: well, now what I do, you know, because this is what they've done for 50 years.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just like, now what do I do now?
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't know how to just stay at home and plant a garden or, you know, just...
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, is these guys can evolve too, and they don't.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_01: They do.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what I'm trying to say, is that they don't know how to do anything else.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: But see, I disagree.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: I'll use Don or David Lee.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea with Vince Neil.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't think he's capable of anything anymore.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: But I'll use those two.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: Those two, and we've talked about it over and over again, and it doesn't make us right either.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: I could be dead wrong on this.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: But either of those two guys,
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Don Dokken,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: David Lee Roth could go out there with an acoustic guitarist and do storytellers.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: See, Don and I actually had that discussion.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: He needs to
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: do it.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_01: And he agrees.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: He completely agrees.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: But he says,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the interest would be or what a promoter would be willing to pay
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: for that.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know what the interest will be?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: More than it is now to hear you sound like shit.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's what the interest will be.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Take Don off of it for a minute, because I know that puts you in a tough place to talk about it.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just going to go with David Lee Roth for a minute.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, I'm just letting you know that these discussions have been had.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: And he agrees.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he agrees.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you not think with the lunacy, the lunacy of the David Lee Roth fans...
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: That he would not actually do bigger venues than he does now with
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: the video out there of him just sucking ass and weird meth smile.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, I don't think he'd be playing sheds, obviously.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, but 5,000
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: he'd play.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to tell.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: But I think that he could do a theater.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think he would probably do something like an Arcata Theater or, you know.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: If David Lee Roth was doing a two-hour storytellers.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like an Agora.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think he'd do way
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: bigger than that.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: You think so?
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: He does that now with everybody that goes knowing he sucks.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: Every single person...
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Knows that they're in for a terrible night and they go anyway.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: I truly think David Lee Roth,
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: if he was doing stories and he hired a guitar player and one
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: guy to walk around with
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: a microphone and he took,
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_02: can you imagine going to a show and having the fans ask David Lee Roth questions?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_02: The answers that would come out of that?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'd be wacky.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: How much would you spend?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: I would spend a lot to see that.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it would be like what Charlie Sheen did years ago when he was doing the Tiger Blood.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: The Tiger Blood thing.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he was selling out big rooms.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: He was.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: And this guy's way bigger than Charlie Sheen,
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: I would argue, as far as his importance in pop culture history.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Don't you think Roth is a bigger celebrity than Charlie Sheen?
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: But does this storyteller thing have a shelf life?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: The man is 77.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: I understand.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: But my point is, could he do this one time around?
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Or could he do this, you know, several years in a row?
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think it just depends on how you sell it.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_02: How about the first year you do the first two Van Halen records?
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: The next time,
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: the next year,
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: next two years, whatever it is, you do Eat Em and Smile
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_02: through DLR band records.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Then you come back and you do Women and Children first in 1984.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: You just break it down.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_02: You don't just try and do the entire Van Halen thing.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_02: You have a little bit of forethought.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_02: And you say, look, Storytellers with Diamond Dave.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_02: Talking about the first two Van Halen records,
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: taking your questions, $150 a ticket.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: He'll play acoustically only songs from the first two records.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: That fucking show sells out.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what venue do you do this to wear?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: 5,000 Cedar.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: 5,000 Cedar.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like the, what is that place called?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: Nautica Stage here in Cleveland.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Is that $5,000?
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: Roughly, $3,000 to $5,000.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: What size is that Rocksino?
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: Probably $2,000.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: He'd sell that out.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: I have no doubt he'd sell that out.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he played at the Hard Rock Casino here, and I think that probably $3,000.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: And how did he sell?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Did he sell it out?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the sales numbers were.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just thinking people would love that.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_01: but what I'm trying to say is you're describing an intimate setting for question
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: and answer time.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: What I'm looking at is logistics for people who are 5,000 people deep.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'll tell you the logistics of it.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: Those that sit in the first 10 rows and pay $500 a fucking ticket,
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: they get to ask their questions.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you get the front row people.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just getting your vision on what this thing looks like.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think the guy that fucking bought a scalper ticket for $14 outside
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: the venue should get a question.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: But at least in that circumstance, that's so much better than doing like a meet and greet.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, wouldn't that be better for you?
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: For you as a fan, just as a fan.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: What would you rather see?
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: If the ticket was $150, would you pay to see what we've got now?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Or would you pay to see him tell stories about the first two Van Halen records
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: and sing seven or eight songs along the way, acoustically?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I went to the Kevin Smith show.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thing when he was doing the tour around and he was talking about,
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: you know, answering questions and stuff.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: And he did this at the Chicago theater.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_02: I saw the other guy do it.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_02: Jay.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Remember when he did it here, me and Stephanie went.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: And what, and what was the size of that place?
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, maybe 200.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was small.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was small.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: It was
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: just a comedy club.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_01: So, so, uh, Kevin Smith did the Chicago Theater and my nephew and I went to this.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: And it was sold out.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: And all he did basically is sit up there on stage and tell stories about,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: you know, the movies and the Jay and Silent Bob and, you know, all this stuff.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: It was very entertaining.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: And how much did you pay for it?
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think it might have been 65 bucks or something.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: How much would you have paid for it if you could have also asked him a question?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe 100.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: There
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: you go.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: That's for Kevin Smith, a guy that you can pretty much message on X and he'll answer.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Willie?
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, I used to message with him.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Remember when we were carrying the Smodcast on the earliest incarnation of CMS Radio?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_02: I used to message back and forth with him all the time.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_02: He wasn't hard to get a hold of.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Throw him an email, he'd email back.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: And you didn't invite him on?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: I think that might have been when I was that when I was off the show.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: It might have been.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was when I was off the show.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I was still doing shit.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: You were still running the back end of it.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: But I wasn't.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't allowed to be on with that bastard Neely.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: The home wrecker.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: That guy's making you like this.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's making you like this.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Are you fucking kidding me?
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: Anybody that knows me should know I am the instigator of everything bad.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly wasn't you, the responsible one.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was me.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he's cheering you on.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: We don't need any encouragement here.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, him and everybody that was listening that thought I was hilarious.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I'm not disagreeing.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think that some of these guys in their twilight
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: of their career could do very well doing the acoustic and storyteller thing.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think so too.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: And to be honest, I think there should be an age cap.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think anybody that's 80 years old should be out there fucking taking money to perform.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: Even Rolling Stones?
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Even Rolling Stones.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if they're good anymore.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's the point.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: They've overstayed their populace time.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: As good as the Stones are right now.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_02: And the last two records have been really, really good.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Two of the strongest they've done in forever.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I agree.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that was kind of funny because when we were having dinner,
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: me and the Dockin' Boys,
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: I asked at the table, I said, anybody hear that latest Rolling Stones release?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody's like, yeah, that was surprisingly good.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And everybody agreed.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: They said, man, that was a really strong record.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_02: And the one before it was strong, too, with Amy.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that Hackney Diamonds.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Those are two great records.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what?
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_02: I wish we never got them.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: Because they should be retired.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_02: They're too old for us to care anymore.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: But we liked it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: I did like it.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_02: I did like it.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: But they're too old for us to care anymore.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, my buddy, my buddy, Paul, who I don't know.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know, Paul, the guy that owns Playtime for You?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: He was Bob's friend.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he's still my friend.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: You don't know him.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: But he was sending me videos last night from Deep Purple in Kansas.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: He went and saw Deep Purple in Kansas last night.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_01: Did Richie Blackmore make an appearance?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: No, he did not.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Mr. Sweats tucked into the white socks did not show up.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I asked him, I said, how was it?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: Was the singer good?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll read you his exact quote.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Hold on.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_02: Let me get my phone right here.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Messages.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Where's Paul?
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: Paul Fink.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: The singer for Deep Purple started out really strong on the first song.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_02: Then after that, his voice was cracking, but it still sounded amazing.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_02: Great venue.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: So in one sentence, I'm already hearing about the fucking venue.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not saying that Ian Gillen can't sing.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm saying he's 80 years old.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: Can't fucking see.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_02: Retire.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: Retire.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: These guys all should have to retire.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, I think it's 70 years old, not even 80.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: But we're already into the 80 for so many of these guys.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: You're just an ageist, Chris.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I am ageist when it comes... Dude, rock stars are not supposed to be rock stars.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they're not supposed to last forever.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_00: I get that.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: What made them special was that they were bigger than life.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: And now they're not...
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I'll use Ian Gillen as a perfect example.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know Ian can still sing these songs.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen enough videos.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know he can still sing the songs.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not doubting that.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: But he looks like a feeble old grandfather at the fucking talent show at a nursing home.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't, he's not bigger than life anymore.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: He's Uncle June singing songs to the wall.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: So your argument here,
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: for lack of a better description, you would prefer to preserve the legacy.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Fair enough.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: I would like to not see these guys embarrass themselves,
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: especially in an age where that's never going to go away.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: When Dokken retires...
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: When David Lee Roth retires,
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: when either of those guys pass away, what are we going to be left with?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Tiny, tiny little bits of memories on YouTube from their heyday,
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: from 1985, and lots and lots of 2025 and 2026s.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And for the people that don't know and they're just looking to hear old music
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_00: the way we did for The Beatles and The Who and Zeppelin and all those bands
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: that were already gone before we really got into our musical lives,
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: their look back is going to be Vince Neil going,
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: and they're not going to look past that to see if Motley Crue was any good.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to absolutely be like, nah, that fucking sucks.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that, to me, is a big problem because it makes everything look worse.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can't raise a new band when the old bands are still out there performing poorly.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's one of the biggest reasons, one of,
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: and again,
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: not the biggest reason,
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: but it's one of the biggest reasons that we have no new talent.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because the old talent won't go away and they just go out there and play like shit.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: So even if a new band tours with...
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: An old band that sucks?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: They get no bite from that.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because all the person that goes to that fucking Motley Crue show
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: or David Lee Roth show, what do they go away with?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: A bad impression.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: What did we go away with when we left Van Halen in the
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Wisconsin show?
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Did we come away from that thinking, man, Van Halen, they still got it.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, I left after the third song.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_02: And me and Scotty went and sat out in the car because we couldn't get John to leave.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: So we went and sat in the car because sitting in the car was more pleasing
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: than watching David Lee Roth.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's sad.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: When it gets to a good point, whoever just said that, Axl Rose, another one.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_02: Retire.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_02: Just retire.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: I was texting back and forth with Corey.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know Corey, Corey Harker.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like, I think Guns N' Roses really got their sound down.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, what are you fucking talking about?
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean they got their sound down?
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_02: Got their sound down.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: What does that mean?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: He was trying to tell me that the reason Axl was having problems was
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: because he had TMJ or something.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, dude.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: And again, that goes to my point.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: If he's got an illness, get off the fucking road.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got something preventing you from doing the job.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I've said this all along.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: I said this about these guys that play when they're sitting in the chairs.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because they're broken down.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: Phil Collins.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: Guns and Roses when Axl broke his.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Or ACDC when they had Axl Rose and he broke his fucking foot.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Dave Grohl.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: You're charging full fucking price to give half a fucking performance.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's bullshit.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't do it to the top level, that makes you a top level performer.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's if you're Vixen or if you're U2 or anybody in between.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't do it at the top level, then get the fuck off the stages.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: Stop clogging the stages just to get some cash.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And let the next wave in.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Let them in.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: We're literally, the kind of music we like is going to die.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know why?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because we haven't had anybody help bring it up.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's not one fucking band that you could point to that you could say,
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: well, that band was brought up by Metallica,
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: Pantera, Testament,
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Exodus, Rat.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Judas Priest,
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: name a band, a newer band that was brought up by any of those in the last 15 years.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Can't do it, right?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: And again,
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: the business has changed too because there really isn't quote unquote record labels
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: that do, you know, A&R and they don't do, you know, artist development anymore.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Because there's just no money in it.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's all quick hitter shit.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's really what it is.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: And the bands are on board too.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Believe me, I'm not trying to say that the bands aren't being smart here.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_02: A band like Vixen,
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: Trickster,
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Quiet Riot,
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: these bands are making more money than they've probably made in the last 30 years.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: Doesn't matter that there's any original members.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing matters except that logo on the backdrop.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, again, our good friend Bob Nelbandian had a good foresight about the band versus brand.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: And as long as you see that brand on that backdrop, that's what people care about.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I want to answer Foreheady Trunk in the chat room here.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Chris, what do you mean by brought up?
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Mentored?
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: What I mean is, Every band I discovered in the 80s, I discovered from seeing another band.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: I discovered, like we had Jamie St. James on last week from Black and Blue.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: Know how I discovered Black and Blue?
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: I went to see Kiss on the All Night Tour and they were the opener.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't know shit about them.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: And within two days after seeing them,
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I had purchased like two or three of their albums,
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: however many albums they had out at the time.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I saw them.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: I discovered Slaughter opening for Damn Yankees.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: I discovered Rat opening for Bon Jovi.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was how it was back in
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: the day.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_00: You saw a band and then you saw their other bands and they brought them up.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's none of that now.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now it's all, well, if you can buy onto the tour, you can be on.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: There's no loyalty.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's no loyalty to the game is what I think.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: Back then there seemed like there was loyalty to the game.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now it seems like there's no loyalty to the game.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's like,
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to bring an equally good band out because then I'm going
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: to make less money.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: The casino's not going to pay me $30,000 if they're paying the opening band $20,000.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: So we're not going to do it.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to bring a lesser band or an unknown band that will pay us $50,000 for 10 shows.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right, Red Rain?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Am I wrong on any of this?
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, you're not wrong.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: And that all started with OzFest.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: It did.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because OzFest was a total...
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you weren't on the main stage, you bought your way on to the second one.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, remember Beautiful Creatures?
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what it cost them to be on that first OzFest when they were on there?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'd imagine six figures minimum.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was $80,000.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Close.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: So Joe Lestay of Bangtango.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Put together beautiful creatures,
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: but to be on OzFest,
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: they had to pay $80,000,
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: plus their expenses for travel and hotels and all this other stuff.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: And the only saving grace that they had was if they could possibly sell some merch.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Which, who's going to buy a beautiful creatures t-shirt at a fucking Black Sabbath show?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to buy Black Sabbath.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to buy Pantera.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to buy Type O Negative.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Whoever was on the main stage for that set, I don't remember.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: I was listening to an old O&A show,
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: and Rob Dukes just happened to come into the studio just as a friend of Otto
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: and George.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so...
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Anthony was asking Rob Dukes if Exodus ever played on OzFest.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: And he said, no, it just doesn't make any sense for us to do that.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, well, why?
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he says, well, because it would cost us $100,000 to buy on.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Then we would have to pay for our own bus at $1,000 a day.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that's another $50,000.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: And he said,
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: it just didn't make any sense for us to go on OzFest because we would have
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: to spend $150,000 to $200,000.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just to get there.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just to get there.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_02: Look at our friends,
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_02: and I'm not going to get into numbers or anything here,
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_02: but I will name them by name.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_02: Our friends in American Dog.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_02: They bought onto the Tesla tour and that ended the band.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: It bankrupted
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: the band.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: Because I went to the House of Blues here in Chicago and hung out with the guys
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: from American Dog for the Tesla show.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they were a great band.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: They were a great band.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_01: And their only hope was that people would buy their merchandise.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_02: Their CDs and their shirts.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And people didn't.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: To try to help offset some of the costs that they incurred to be on that tour.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: And again, it's the same thing.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: Who's going to buy a fucking American Dog shirt?
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_02: At a Tesla show,
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_02: you're going to get one person for every thousand Tesla shirts buying one of yours.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_02: And then they probably had to pay a percentage of that to the fucking venue on top of that.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll tell you as a fact,
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: this past two shows that I did with Dokken, they had to pay 20% of the merch.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Which is criminal.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, shirt sales.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's criminal.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Is the bar paying 20% of the bar tab?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Are they giving that to the band?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: The band is selling the booze.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: Not the fucking club, the band.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: People are drinking because it's hot and sweaty because of their performance.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: But the club don't give any of that.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Club owners are another bunch of fucking scumbag cunts.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: They really are.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Just dicks.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: See, now I'm all worked up and angry.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's a game.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's a money game.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's a business.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_01: You've got guys like Jim who are very passionate about his bands, which I get.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: I get it, too.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, when it comes down to the real nitty-gritty of A band situation.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's a business.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it boils down to dollars and cents.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just sad what it becomes.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's a business.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's less about the music and more about the revenue.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, right now, I'd argue it has nothing to do with the fucking business.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: Or with the talent.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think promoters give a flying fuck what a band sounds like.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, it has nothing to do with the music and more to do with the revenue.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, these guys can make me X amount of dollars.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly it.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't give a shit if they limp on stage.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: People are still coming out and buying a ticket and buying two,
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: three, four drinks and buying a shirt and blah, blah, blah.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: And at the end of the night, I made...
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I made $50,000.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: $50,000.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just fucking garbage.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: God, I hate this fucking business so bad.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's what it is.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's just what it is.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: But what it is for us as people that are,
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: that our bands are in that 60,
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: 70, 80 years old range, it's just the worst of all of it.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're literally watching Our favorites go up there in just horrendous shape.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And there's so many.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: The Frankie Valli, the Phil Collins, Gordon Lightfoot before he passed away.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_00: They trotted that old skeleton out there.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_00: They probably took him out of a fucking hospital where he posed for fucking bones.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: He looked ridiculously sick.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was pathetically thin.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: He looked like somebody in the final stages of AIDS.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: He did.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even saying that to be funny.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: He looked like somebody.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: And I was not surprised at all when he died.
• 43:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because I don't think he weighed 140 pounds.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: He was like six foot three or something, wasn't he?
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what you call death warmed over.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: And he didn't sound good either.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: And no one gave a fuck.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: Same with Frankie Valli.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think I saw he finally said, I'm done.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_02: But, I mean, come on.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: He's up there like a fucking mannequin.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: And they just like, whatever.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_02: They wheel his ass out there.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_02: Get out there, fuckwad.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_02: Phil Collins.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: They couldn't even get that guy a nice chair.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_02: They fucking brought him out in office furniture.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: Brought him out on a chair they bought at Ikea for fucking $15.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: At an office depot.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_02: Probably wasn't even an office depot.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Probably wasn't even a new chair.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'll bet it's some bullshit that they had laying around at Genesis headquarters,
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_00: wherever that is.
• 44:57
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• 45:01
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• 45:05
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• 45:08
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• 45:10
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