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Yoreh De’ah 190:11-17. Niddah: Kesem, Stains: Location and Assumptions · SHULCHAN ARUCH YOMI: Own the Halacha in 25 minutes a day!

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  OK, good morning. We are continuing with Kuftsadi,
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  Samim, Simon Kuftsadi. OK, we finished reading Yidalov
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  just to go reel back a couple quick points thanks to emotion
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  making sure we we tackle it correctly.
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  So I just want to point out a few things real quick.
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  We learned that we're worried about any Dom, any blood that
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  can drop and end up anywhere. And that's reasonable now.
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  So the we, it's really, it's, it's, it's the Mishnah, It's,
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  it's the Gemara, Bischel Khanara points out.
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  So if it is lehouts, just to clarify, lehouts means the the
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  outside of the leg, the distal, right, the extreme opposite of
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  the center of the body. But studying and halacha is
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  she's still tahara. That's the front or back, the
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  ventral dorsal. And that means that the the top
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  front of the knee, all of that area or the back of the knee and
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  all the way up and down the entire leg, all of that is
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  tahara. What is us?
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  When is she tamaya? If it's befenin, that means only
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  where the legs are basically touching.
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  It's only in between the legs, right?
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  The inside of the legs, the mesial of each of each leg,
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  that's where it is. The Gemara says up until Hever.
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  In other words, where do you draw the line between the exact
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  middle of the leg to the top of the of the leg?
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  So it says where the point of the the metisata gidim or the
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  Hever. I believe something to do with
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  where the ligaments are attached.
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  I don't understand exactly, but anyway, somewhere in between the
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  area of the ligaments is still she's Tamaya.
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  Outside of that area she is Tahara.
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  That's just to clarify when we said cava.
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  So again, that means everyone says that certainly means the
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  bottom of the sole of the foot, the heel, that means the bottom
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  of the foot. So anywhere, so we said and it
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  has to be reasonable. So that's why they point out the
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  mission points out even the heel is reasonable, how even if it
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  drops, it's not going to reach there, it's touching the floor.
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  So it's because that's why the the Maharshim explained that it
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  means because she sits in certain positions.
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  As we discussed yesterday, the there is a discussion in the
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  post scheme as far as what if she she lives in a country where
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  no one ever sits in such a way or this woman never sits in such
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  a way. I'll just quote what Viner is
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  saying. So as long as she can tell you
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  that there's no way she sat that way, then we can rely on that.
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  And then the bottom of the hill we say is impossible.
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  Again, a lot of this is not LAMISA because of the
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  undergarments. Let's keep going.
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  And when we see that the entire Shuck anywhere along the entire
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  leg can be an issue. So just, I don't know if that's
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  a hot word or not, but just just to point out some comparisons by
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  Trefus, we know that the Shuck is more or less really that the
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  middle bone, but it's towards the bottom kind of corresponds
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  to the human as the bottom the the right, the bone between the
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  ankle and the knee. But it doesn't really, you can't
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  really learn from one to another because the the animal has
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  three, 3 bones. So it's really different.
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  But that's by Dreyfus, by Nida. When we say the word Shuck, I'm
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  not sure which one is meant, but halachically it certainly means
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  the entire leg if one is meant more than another.
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  OK, it depends who you know, who you, who you ask, which reshone.
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  And in for hilchos it's nilas and for erva.
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  So that also is a machlocus. If it's the upper bone above the
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  knee or the bone below the knee. Just throwing it out there.
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  We mentioned the word hagur. What's a hagur?
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  So that means it's a garment that the woman would wear
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  underneath the khaluk, which is a dress or a robe of some sort.
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  And but by definition, the Post can say hagur is the part that
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  was worn opposite right around the Macomb erva.
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  So again, we're not talking about our hagura.
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  We're not talking about our waist or belt.
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  It's not what we're talking about.
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  It's this garment that was recovering right around.
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  It's almost like underwear. That's really what it is.
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  As far as placement, that level, I guess it was open on the
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  bottom, but that's basically what that is.
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  So whenever we're discussing Minakagur lamala lamata, it's
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  referring to Malcolm Erva below or above.
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  And if it's a garment and it's just above, so by, you know, the
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  whole inside of the, the leg, they point out, even though part
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  of the leg is above the Malcolm Erva, that's close enough for it
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  to reach. And so to exactly how far up
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  with garments. OK, a little bit of discussion,
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  but that's really the main point.
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  Let's see anything. A couple quick more points
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  because this will get us going for the whole next series.
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  We I don't know if it's going to come up again, so I'll mention
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  it now. We spoke about colored clothing,
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  so we know if it's dumb on colored clothing, we said it's
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  not going to be the halacha of Timaea because all we're not
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  goes there. So what if a woman has patterns
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  or whatever clothing that has partial colored partial knots?
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  So it's clear in the postscame if if the blood is on the white
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  part, so then the Greece, right, the Greece.
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  So then if it's on the white part, she will be Tamaya.
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  If it's on the colored part, she'll be Tahara.
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  What if it's half and half? So then whatever is on the
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  white. So if it's partially on, let's
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  say half of Greece is on white, then half of Greece is on the
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  colored part, right? You have patterns and clothing
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  or stripes and it's a grease all together.
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  But each half is each portion is less than a grease.
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  So that happens to be a mahlokas.
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  Let's see, that's a mahlokas to me.
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  The ones who say it's tahara is rabi kiva.
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  Eager, we'll hold slew, but just siddhi Tara hakamasadam darki
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  Tara Tara sabais. And those who say it's Timaea
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  are Cheva de Levi and egress Moshe.
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  So ask your Rav, although presumably it says in egress
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  Moshe and I presumably everyone will be Mako if it's a bishal
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  tatkhak or Loki imperia verrivia.
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  But obviously there's a lot that are tahara who say tahara.
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  And but what if it's what if you have an entire kagris on white,
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  but it's broken up, you know, through a stripe or something?
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  So you have let's say half a grease on white, another half a
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  grease on white and in the middle it's broken up.
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  So you're not using the color pattern to be Midstarif, but
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  it's but it's one solid piece of dumb.
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  It's not spotted. It's 11 stain.
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  And if you add up the white, it's more than a grease, but it
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  has its divided in half because of this stripe or something
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  that's colored. Can it be midstarif or not?
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  So that is a, that's a Mach locust as far as being Mitsarif.
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  How did I get rid of that? Who says what?
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  What did I do with it? Oh, I got confused.
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  I take oh, oh, I did get confused.
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  Let me take this back on being Mitsarif.
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  Can you be Mitsarif? A Can the two half of whites be
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  Mitsarif together? No.
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  A second. I'm confusing this.
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  No, no, no. OK no.
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  What I said before was fine if it's interrupted.
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  So then everyone says to Maya. As far as I know, everyone says
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  to Maya the Greece vote is is way more than a Greece and all
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  of them way more than the grace is on white, all the more than
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  the grace is on white. But it just has this line going
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  through it. But it's the blood is not broken
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  up. It just there's a line or some
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  part of the pattern. So that's Temea.
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  Yeah, as far as I know, everyone says that's Temea.
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  It's not called individual spots, right.
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  So as far as but if it's half white and half color, that's a
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  mythologous. OK, fine, so to write the first
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  time, sorry. Now one last thing to point out.
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  Let's say a woman finds a Ketan, right?
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  This is this whole Simon. And let's say she turns out to
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  be Tahara, right? Does she need to check Bedika's,
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  Bedika's pineim that she need to check?
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  So Laculi Alma, everyone says we don't find anywhere where
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  there's any kind of a halacha a woman is supposed to check.
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  So that's the halacha. She does not need to check.
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  That is absolutely clear. Just because she found a ketam
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  doesn't mean now she's got to go run and check and make things
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  worse potentially. Should she check as a Khumra?
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  So Tara Sabai says no, but there are some who say as a khumra
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  Midas Hasidis, Kalamar believe doc it's better if she checks of
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  Karelitz and that's of Karelitz and Chuva San Hagos.
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  But different opinions on that, if it's a good khumra or not.
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  But if it's during her vessel, right, she's supposed to be
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  Mafrish and then she sees a captain.
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  So because it's the vessel. So in Tara, he says that one
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  definitely should check. OK, one is supposed to check.
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  I'm not sure Betty of it, but anyway, one is supposed to
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  check. That's what he writes.
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  Fine, let's now let's go through this epheme inside.
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  OK, you'll bet, you'll bet. That should be enough.
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  Okay, names Hakatim al Luca lamata Mahagur.
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  If she finds the ketam below the hagur, which is Malcolm Erva or
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  Malcolm Mahagur at small or that actual area opposite Malcolm
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  Erva clothing, then she is Tamaya, right?
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  That now we're talking about clothing, right?
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  So I feel on IMSAL it's at hoots, even if it's on the
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  outside, you know, far away from the Malcolm Eribo, whether you
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  call that on the sides distal of the body or in her backside,
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  whatever it is. So let me finish.
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  Let me. Yeah, the enchiluk Ben IMSA
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  bahaluk milafenel me akharia. Doesn't matter if it's in front
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  of her or behind her. I mean a study why the Mcclemer
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  was in one place, why MI MI penne she have a gadium hosring
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  heina vahena. So this is different than the
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  body. This is clothing and the closing
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  in those days would spin around. It would go in all directions up
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  and down and all around. So it was it was movable.
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  So therefore, again, it depends how movable and whatever it is,
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  especially nowadays with our clothing, it's not so movable if
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  at all. So it's a slip.
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  Yeah, Yeah, a slip can move around.
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  Of course, it's depending on which clothing I'm saying
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  exactly. I'm just saying nowadays certain
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  clothing can't, cannot. There's only so much it can
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  move. But yeah, obviously a slip
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  certainly can spin around the aim Avrah Bashook, even if the
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  Dom is only on the outside where it's not opposite the Malcolm
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  era and there's no way for it to reach it.
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  It's Timaea. If it's reasonable for that
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  garment to spin around and, you know, one minute I wasn't.
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  Yeah. Oh, you're saying on the outer
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  side of the garment, but not the inside, The not the inner
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  lining, but the outer lining type of thing.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  I don't know. Something to think about.
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  Yeah, I don't know. Good question.
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  Yeah, it can fold. So then it has to be possible.
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  Has to be possible, has to be able to fold.
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  That's in the bear hates of your recording bear Angola.
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  OK, Skaya. Anyways, again, our
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  undergarments and our type of clothing changes everything, but
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  it just has to be reasonable, OK?
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  We're not looking for a highly probable, we're looking for
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  honest, reasonable, the IME of Rabishuk shelta bahim tahara.
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  But then now we're talking about clothing.
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  And so therefore if she goes by the slaughterhouses and the
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  shuk, then we can be told it on that.
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  We assume it's on that and therefore it's Tahara.
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  I feel it even tell it's a Panim, even if it's opposite the
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  inner lead, the AL Basara and on the and even if it's on the
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  skin, because on the skin is a continuation on the words before
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  the shock says it's the first. If you only find it on the skin,
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  we learnt yesterday in your aleph that even in Tabachim
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  Basara is takes precedence. So then she'd be Tamaya.
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  But if you if she's by the Tabachim and she sees it on the
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  clothing and on the Basara, then we assume however it got on the
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  clothing from the Tabachim, that's also how it got on
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  Basara. And then we could be tall of
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  that. OK, there's the fact that it's
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  also on the outer clothing and then she was in the tabahim.
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  That makes it that Trump's what's more likely than coming
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  from dumb Mahamakur. The IM names Uncle Luka Bilvad
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  and if it's only on the clothing Maha Guru Llamala Tahara.
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  Once it's above the hagur again, this is this doesn't mean waist,
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  but it's pretty close, but it's a little bit Hagur is lower than
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  the waist. Anyways.
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  If it's above the Malcolm Erva, we'll just say Hagur.
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  So then she's tahara Afilu Nisdakra, even if she, I don't
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  know, flipped. However you translate it.
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  He could be a raglia and her legs went above the area.
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  The filu lo avra Bishop shota bahim shilobami namakuria
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  ninsagam al bisara. So when we say that she flipped
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  that over and it goes on the skin, we said yesterday.
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  So then it could be she's Tamaya.
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  But here we say Tahara because if it's on the clothing, we
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  assume it came from somewhere else.
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  I wish she flipped. So then it was the likelihood
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  though, is it would first hit the skin before it hits the
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  clothing. So that's that's what we assume.
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  OK, let's go on. Fine, good Gilmo in Gamal nimsa
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  al Beit yad shalukash. It's on the sleeve, the arms,
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  the sleeve of the arms from her address.
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  So it depends IMA malkum shrim sabo Adam be beti al meghiad
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  beta torfa tamaya. If the sleeve, you know, I guess
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  the sleeve that's near the hand, the long, you know, the end part
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  can reach just like the hand is, you know, moves around and we
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  assume it's going to touch it. So too, the sleeve can get there
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  as well. All right.
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  Filu aniya palala hagiya sham ella ella in Kane T Even now,
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  let's say she's gonna even if it's a little bit difficult for
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  the sleeve to reach it. But if she bends over, women
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  sometimes bend over a lot. They have to pick things up.
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  So I'll do that. So then or you have to reach for
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  something, whatever it is. So since it just has to be
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  reasonably possible and we we assume it's reasonable that she
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  bends over. So it has to be able to reach
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  it. But all right, OK, the EM any a
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  holy gasham klal. But if there's no way for the
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  sleeve to reach that area, or at least that part of the sleeve,
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  there's no way for it to reach even if she's bending over all
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  the way. So then she remains Tahara.
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  OK, you're a dollar haita porchetto MIT kasebo Belila.
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  So now they used to use OK, I can't say exactly, I'm not a
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  historian, but apparently they used to use these types of
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  dresses, robes, whatever you call it, and they used to take
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  it off to sleep and then use it as a blanket of some sort.
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  OK, so let's read. If she takes it off, she takes
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  off her dress or her robe and now she uses it to to sleep with
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  it. So then the Cole Mackel, she'd
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  stream Sabo Tamaya anywhere on the garment that you find it.
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  Now it's Tamaya right before we had well, it depends if it's
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  above the hagur, below the hagur, but not once she's
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  because there's only so much it's going to move when she's
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  wearing it. But now that she's sleeping with
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  it, blankets go all over the place.
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  So then anywhere it makes it to me, but it keeps moving.
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  But hey, hadin ninsa abema al ferret, so too some kind of a
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  head covering. We'll call it a snood, whatever
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  it is, shame Hasser Rosha or maybe some kerchief, whatever,
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  she covers her head with it. So then OSHA hagarit bow or she
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  straps around with it, whatever it is, I don't know.
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  It could also be some kind of a belt.
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  Anything that's tight, the IME kashraba rosha hate.
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  Sounds like we're talking about the head though.
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  But anyways, anything that she can tie down around her body or
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  her head hate very well. Okisha northeast aura gamkin
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  metsato kashur Yafen, when she wakes up, it's also tight and
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  bound into that area. So then we don't have to worry.
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  We assume it's it was there this if it's was there before she
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  went to sleep, it's there tight when she wakes up.
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  So we assume it doesn't move around.
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  And therefore unless it's connected to erva, we are not
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  worried about it. And it's.
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  So then that's right. All these cases like it says
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  it's all application. OK, Ted Vov, stay nashing.
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  Now you have two women sleeping together.
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  Shakisu Roshan. Yeah.
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  So they move around Shakisu Roshan.
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  Bahalukhad stay in Tamayot. Now they both used it, and so
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  now they're both going to be Tamayot.
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  The IM ahad kista vaharit lo kista.
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  One use it as a blanket and one didn't.
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  Alpha P should stay in Labshua Khaluk even though they both
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  wore it, the Nim Saketum Lamala Mahagur.
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  So they both wore it, but since it was above the Khagur, it
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  never became tamaya. So that's not, doesn't doesn't
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  hurt, doesn't it's not really relevant to our discussion.
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  It's not going to make her tamaya.
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  And they both slept with it as a blanket, but only only one of
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  them slept with it as a blanket. So then OTA Shakista Tamaya, the
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  one who slept with it is Tamaya because when she wore it and
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  moves around the Ahre Tahara, but the other one is tahara
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  because it was she didn't sleep with it, doesn't move around.
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  And when she wore it, it was always a way and above the
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  Malcolm akagor OK, tetzine imyesh la maca with savara.
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  Now let's say she has some kind of a wound, all right, cut, some
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  kind of laceration, whatever it is a pezza, it's opens up in the
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  bleeds. So then she has ismaka by her
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  neck. So if it's OK, benimsa ketem the
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  khaluk a few la Mata mahagur. And the captain, it's on her,
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  we'll call it a dress. Even below the Khagur.
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  She actually got Sham Mehmaka IM Pochateau MIT Khasebo.
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  He got Sham, period. So then since it's at her neck
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  area, we say it's it can't reach all the way down there and
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  therefore she's going to be Tahara.
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  But wait a second, she actually got Sham mehmaka IM Pochateau
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  MIT Khasebo tola be Makatasha. But if she takes it on and off,
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  you know from her head, raises it above her head and it passes
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  that savar. So then we could be Tola.
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  We're trying to use the maca here, la Kula.
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  So you could only do that if it can reasonably reach that area.
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  So if it's a garment, so if it passes through the neck, then
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  you can. Otherwise, if it's far away and
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  it's doesn't pass through the neck ever, you cannot use the
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  neck. OK, let's get on to the next, to
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  the next one. Ted Zion.
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  No, we just Ted Zion, good Zion, good.
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  Zion bit more and we'll stop. Matza ketem la mala miahagur,
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  the ketem la Mata mimana. Now she finds a khatam, and it's
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  above the khagur. And the khatam that she finds is
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  below the odat Shaloni's dakra. And she knows that it.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry.
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  There's tuk Tamim. Thank you.
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  One above and one below the khagur.
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  Thank you very much, Tukhtamim. And she knows that she loni's
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  dakra. And she did not move around.
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  So we say tahara, why Shani Omar kamosha El yon Baum alma once
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  she has one ketan that's above the hagur right now, Nothing to
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  do with the maca, I'm talking about ketan.
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  So since she found the stain above the hagur, and we know
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  that halafkul, that's for sure. Tahara, as we say, and we assume
• 22:18
  it came from somewhere else, it can't come from makur kakba
• 22:21
  tartan. So now because one is matur,
• 22:23
  we're going to use the one that's below.
• 22:25
  Also Lakula, not the opposite. I mean One Direction is can we
• 22:29
  assume is completely not reasonable and One Direction is
• 22:33
  reasonable. So it makes sense.
• 22:40
  So again, a little common sense. It just it depends.
• 22:44
  It has to be where the one that's above right?
• 22:48
  If the bottom one is, is. If it's less than degrees, it's
• 22:51
  not an issue. But if the bottom 1 is more than
• 22:53
  degrees, so in order for the top one to say, well, Almaba has to
• 23:00
  also be congrease of the ode, right, 'cause she, otherwise
• 23:03
  you'll just OK, let's keep reading, 'cause she, but oh,
• 23:06
  you're in congrease of the ode. Oh, you're tear.
• 23:09
  It has to also at least be the Greece of the oath, Shivade and
• 23:12
  Almaba. Because then then you can assume
• 23:14
  that's how such a big stain of course, it came from somewhere
• 23:17
  else. Shihare en lidlova kina because
• 23:20
  then you can't be told it on a Kina because the top one if you
• 23:25
  could be told by Akina and the and the bottom one is bigger
• 23:30
  than a Greece. So you can't be told the bottom
• 23:32
  one on Akina. So then it doesn't work about in
• 23:35
  ain't book a Greece vote. But if the top one is less than
• 23:38
  a Greece ain't totally no tome alma, then you don't assume it
• 23:42
  came from somewhere else. The Shamadam Kinohu.
• 23:45
  Then you assume the top one is Akina and not from Emyesh but
• 23:49
  Takhton Rigrisa. And the bottom 1 is more than a
• 23:52
  Greece. Shea and Nidlo Bakina.
• 23:55
  You can't realize you can't assume it comes from Akina.
• 23:57
  Then she is Timaea.