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Red & Blue - Jarom Jordan on BYU Fall Camp, BYU's WR 1 (?), Jaxon Kohler in Portal, + More · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Jerem Jordan, our friend from down south kind enough to
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Speaker 1: join us here to talk the BYU perspective on all
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Speaker 1: the goings on as football season approaches. Jerem, welcome back.
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Speaker 1: How are you?
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Speaker 2: I don't believe it any but I love Wonderball as well.
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Speaker 2: That was great, That was great. I come to you
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Speaker 2: live outside the Student Athlete building and BUYU wear practices,
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Speaker 2: finish interviews have been had and I'm rarely had the
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Speaker 2: golf court like sit on that go back up to
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Speaker 2: our building. To day is one of those days. I
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Speaker 2: think it's the first ever. So, Wendy, I apologize, but
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Speaker 2: I'm feeling, you know, privileged that I'm able to just
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Speaker 2: get a golf cart right here. The reason being Education
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Speaker 2: Week is this week. I don't know if you know
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Speaker 2: that is John, basically a bunch of classes for people
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Speaker 2: this week. Parking is ridiculous, so we've had to stay
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Speaker 2: at our building and come down and then return. It's
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Speaker 2: a whole thing, but it's a first world problem.
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Speaker 1: Someday someone is going to make a lot of money
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Speaker 1: figuring out how to solve parking problems on college campuses.
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Speaker 1: I know, right it should be us, Jerem, so we'll
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Speaker 1: have to brainstorm that.
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Speaker 2: Shout up to Utah bally that once you get in
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Speaker 2: you are indoors all the way the whole campus inside
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Speaker 2: in the winter. That is money. Shout out you you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah wow, I didn't even realize that. Okay, well done Wolverines.
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Speaker 2: Okay, some price has got it going on.
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Speaker 1: I'll start here because you just got to watch a
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Speaker 1: little bit of practice. Is practice notably different with this
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Speaker 1: group from previous years? Is you know, this is a
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Speaker 1: very talented team. They're a very cohesive team in terms
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Speaker 1: of lack of turnover and things like that from a
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Speaker 1: player personnel standpoint especially, and sometimes when you're watching, because
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Speaker 1: you've watched a lot of football in your day's jerem,
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Speaker 1: you notice that there's, oh, there's something a little bit
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Speaker 1: different about this group. Is that showing itself with BYU
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Speaker 1: right now?
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Speaker 2: I think it is. And it's a keen question because
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Speaker 2: given the experience and the quality on both side of
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Speaker 2: the ball, frankly, there is some good back and forth.
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Speaker 2: The defense wins, the offense wins. But as we know
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Speaker 2: in Faull camp, where the defense can't fully tackle in
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Speaker 2: certain situations when you run the ball, looks like a
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Speaker 2: good run, but it's like, well, that might have been
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Speaker 2: like a ser yard gain in real situations. Yet this
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Speaker 2: bo offense at times looks very explosive. Aaron Rodgers got
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Speaker 2: the creativity going. We saw a little bit of that today,
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Speaker 2: even in the media viewing portion, which surprised me a
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Speaker 2: little bit. Typically it's pretty vanilla, so want to keep
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Speaker 2: that close to the s. But during the portion we
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Speaker 2: saw today, which was a little bit longer than normal,
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Speaker 2: which was nice. It was about twenty or thirty minutes,
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Speaker 2: a lot of crisp, good execution from both sides of
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Speaker 2: the ball. The offense was good. Special teams that kicked
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Speaker 2: some field goals. They even surrounded boy's kicker Matthiah's done.
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Speaker 2: A few guys lifted each other up defense, make it
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Speaker 2: to try and you know, get in the way of
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Speaker 2: a potential you know, pass of the ball. It was
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Speaker 2: it was fun, yet it was it was light and
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Speaker 2: Yu made a ton of plays. Offense looked good. Barret
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Speaker 2: Pakmeyer's got this thing ripping, roaring. I don't know that
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Speaker 2: you know, it could have been much better, if you know,
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Speaker 2: Chase Robertson, Parker Kingston were out there, like YOI doesn't
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Speaker 2: care that, hey, we lost certain guys a wide receiver
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Speaker 2: or whatnot. They are They're proceeding like we're gonna make
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Speaker 2: plays with the guys we have and we feel like
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Speaker 2: they're good, and so yeah, I really enjoyed the efficiency
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Speaker 2: and the christness of today's practice.
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Speaker 1: I was asking earlier on the on the show about
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Speaker 1: some over unders. I like to set these expectations for
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Speaker 1: Utah football heading into seasons, and we were looking at
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Speaker 1: some of the numbers from the Big Twelve Conference in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four versus in twenty twenty five. And I
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Speaker 1: didn't know this until I was looking it up for
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Speaker 1: the purposes of the show that for whatever reason, in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, passing as a conference kind of went down.
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Speaker 1: There were not as many prolific receivers. There weren't as
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Speaker 1: many guys with you know, multiple touchdown or like double
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Speaker 1: digit touchdown receptions. There weren't as many thousand yard receivers
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Speaker 1: in the conference, and teams were averaging fewer yards through
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Speaker 1: the air. Last year was more of a run heavy year.
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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was kind of a pass heavy year.
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Speaker 1: And I get there's a natural ebb and flow to
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Speaker 1: these things. We're looking at the University of Utah. I
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Speaker 1: think this is going to be more of a pass
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Speaker 1: heavy year for the University of Utah because of mcgiven's tendencies,
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Speaker 1: because some player personnel, because the offensive line, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: Would you say that this year will be more or
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Speaker 1: less pass centric for BYU than last year.
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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Because Aaron was pretty fifty to fifty.
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Speaker 2: There's like a fifty two to forty eight split typically
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Speaker 2: where we're just going to run a touch more. I
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Speaker 2: would think that the addition of Fione Molla to the
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Speaker 2: regular mix, where he just played kind of three or
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Speaker 2: four games last year, that will that will give by
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Speaker 2: the opportunity to run effectively and run as much as
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Speaker 2: they want on first second down a lot, yet by
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Speaker 2: just proceeding in the pass game, like there's like I said,
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Speaker 2: there's no difference, and that they have explosive dudes down
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Speaker 2: the feat and they have all kinds of pass catchers.
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Speaker 2: So I think it's probably going to be similar to
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Speaker 2: what Aaron normally does. Yet Bear like, here's the vibe.
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Speaker 2: I get it. It's like weird and crazy to say, hey, Bear,
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Speaker 2: do more than you did last year passing with less
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Speaker 2: perceived talent. Yet I get the sense of be he's
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Speaker 2: gonna throw for more than three thousand yards, like last
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Speaker 2: year the dude ran for five hundred yards. He's the
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Speaker 2: first true freshmen to do both those things. By the way,
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Speaker 2: a three k pass a five hundred yard rush year
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Speaker 2: that had never happened by a true freshman. So it's like, wait,
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Speaker 2: we're asking this dude to do more. I think he
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Speaker 2: rushes for fewer yards individually. I mean I could see
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Speaker 2: him in the thirty two to thirty five hundred grains passing,
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Speaker 2: which is wild given the turnover of weapons. But I
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Speaker 2: think the Cougars have guys that fit their scheme really well.
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Speaker 1: You used an important phrase there, perceived talent, right, because
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Speaker 1: there's established talent, and then there's hey, we think these
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Speaker 1: guys are good, and then there's sometimes where you're wrong
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Speaker 1: about you think these guys are good. Right. The received
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Speaker 1: level of offensive weaponry at Utah right now, for example,
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Speaker 1: is high. It's perceived, though it's not reality until they
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Speaker 1: actually play it out. Given what you just talked about
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Speaker 1: with Chase Roberts was well established. Parker Kingston established himself
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Speaker 1: last year, but he was he's obviously not available to
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Speaker 1: the team this year. So when we're talking about the
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Speaker 1: perceived either uptick or downturn based on exactly that perception,
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Speaker 1: who is that going to be centered around. Who are
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Speaker 1: the like three or four names that are going to
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Speaker 1: be compared to Roberts and Kingston to say or this
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Speaker 1: is the health or lack thereof of the BYU receiving game.
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Speaker 2: Jojo Phillips was kind of your wide receiver's three behind
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Speaker 2: those two. He kind of inserts himself around wide receiver
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Speaker 2: one as the most experienced guy coming into your little
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Speaker 2: banged up last year with the shoulder, he comes in
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Speaker 2: with the most experienced. Kyler Casper comes in from Morgan
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Speaker 2: due to six catches in four years, they're largely banged up.
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Speaker 2: A lot of talent obviously at Oregon Frame good hands
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Speaker 2: dad played in the NFL. A dude that was a
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Speaker 2: four start coming out of high school. Crazy athletic, he's
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Speaker 2: feeling healthy and dangerous. Then there's Tiger Backmeyer, guy that
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Speaker 2: played at Stanford played at BYU. You know, last year
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Speaker 2: had seven grabs for fifty nine. I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 2: if he didn't have twenty grabs this year. Reggie Frischneck
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Speaker 2: red shirted last year. Two years ago, he led all
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Speaker 2: of JUCO in receiving at fourteen touchdowns to lead Junior
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Speaker 2: College down at Snow. But the name that people are
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Speaker 2: kind of talking about the most is a guy that like, whoa,
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Speaker 2: this guy has really popped and he's going to play
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Speaker 2: a ton. Legend Glasger, the true freshman from Lehigh High
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Speaker 2: School six one, one seventy five, great hands, great route running,
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Speaker 2: great speed. Once he gets the ball, it is tough
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Speaker 2: to tough to chase him down. He has been, you know,
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Speaker 2: anointed by Fetisitaki in spring it's like, hey, this is
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Speaker 2: the guy that's going to play a lot, and when
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Speaker 2: you watch him in practice, he got thrown in with
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Speaker 2: the ones in spring and now he is making an impact.
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Speaker 2: First cousin of Isaiah Glasger, Isaiah joked, I want to
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Speaker 2: give him his welcome to college football moment over the middle.
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Speaker 2: He's been protected so far. Legend hasn't had that engagement
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Speaker 2: with the first cousin quite yet, but people are very
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Speaker 2: excited about him. And then kind of waiting in the
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Speaker 2: wings there, he got another freshman from Portland, Oregon, Terrence Sarryon,
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Speaker 2: who they like in the slot as well, and then
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Speaker 2: Jared Pula once he gets healthy, could be a guy
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Speaker 2: that does some damage of four start alone peak that
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Speaker 2: was a big signing. Hopefully Kannakua is kind of in
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Speaker 2: the mix as well. But those are kind of your guys.
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Speaker 2: And that's a lot of names I just said. I
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Speaker 2: think the combo of Walker Lyons, Roger Sally pocket tight
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Speaker 2: end and Casper Phillips, Bachmeyer, Frischneck and Glasker. I think
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Speaker 2: that's who's catching, you know, three thousand yards worth, you know,
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Speaker 2: l J. Martin and Cioni Morre on the backfield as well.
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Speaker 2: For BYU this.
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Speaker 1: Year, do they need to score This is a dumb question,
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Speaker 1: but it's not Do they need to score more touchdowns
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Speaker 1: in the passing game to achieve what they want to
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Speaker 1: achieve because obviously how you get into the end zone
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Speaker 1: is immaterial relative to you know, like you just have
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Speaker 1: to get into the end zone. They only scored fifteen.
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Speaker 1: They only fifteen passing touchdowns last year as a team.
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Speaker 2: Yeah that yeah, that was a lowish number, right, But
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Speaker 2: when Bear runs for eleven, which is more than ANYBA
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Speaker 2: quarterback cod run four in a single season, not freshman,
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Speaker 2: anybody Taysom Hills senior year, Steve Young senior who took
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Speaker 2: second in heismand that's quite the number. The combination with LJ.
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Speaker 2: Martin And then again, I think Moo is a super
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Speaker 2: valuable piece of this offense in a million ways. Good blocker,
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Speaker 2: good runner, good pass catcher that yes, you would like
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Speaker 2: to see Bear go up. I would love him to
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Speaker 2: be in the twenty five to thirty range. And again,
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Speaker 2: it almost feels unfair to be like, hey, I know
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Speaker 2: you lost Jason Parker and Carson Randa, like can you
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Speaker 2: do more? It's almost crazy ask, But honestly, from what
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing and seeing, it feels completely attainable because Bear's
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Speaker 2: progressed in the offense. The number one thing he's doing
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Speaker 2: better is getting the ball out a little quicker. His
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Speaker 2: pre snap's even better. Super smart dude. And then he's
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Speaker 2: got all back, he's got capable hands. Are are you
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Speaker 2: know the Does it matter if you have a guy
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Speaker 2: that's like, yeah, ed seventy grabs and eight hundred yards
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Speaker 2: and eight touchdowns? Well what if the team produces a
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Speaker 2: similar better number? Does it really matter whether there's kind
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Speaker 2: of a number one in that situation. It does when
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Speaker 2: it's like, okay, it's third and eight, we're at the twelve,
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Speaker 2: we're up, you know, or we're down four, like we
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Speaker 2: need a play here, Like at Boise State twenty two,
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Speaker 2: throws a fade to Puka Nakua, he makes the play
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Speaker 2: to tab BOI wins game. Yes, there are moments like
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Speaker 2: that where you need one of these dudes to show up.
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Speaker 2: But I'm I'm just feeling really confident. And maybe that's
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Speaker 2: just August excitement at this but what I'm seeing and
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Speaker 2: hearing is that BOI feels like they can do more
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Speaker 2: in the passing game with this group.
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Speaker 1: Boy. By the way, fifty three total touchdowns on the
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Speaker 1: year last year, and as I mentioned, fifteen of them
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Speaker 1: came in the passing game, which of course means that
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Speaker 1: you're you're running the ball into the end zone quite effectively.
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Speaker 2: Jerem, That's that's the main goal I hear is cross
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Speaker 2: that line with the ball, whether it's passer or rush. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it will be interesting to see if Bear goes up.
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Speaker 2: In fact, Aaron Roderick earlier in the summer told the
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Speaker 2: Solid Tribune that he wants Bear to throw for like
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Speaker 2: thirty plus touchdowns, So double the number. That's quite to ask.
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Speaker 2: And he wouldn't put that number out there if he
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Speaker 2: didn't think the Bear would actually do it. I don't
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Speaker 2: think he'd put that pressure just for no good reason.
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Speaker 2: Aaron's very calculated in his kind of Hey, if I
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Speaker 2: say a number. One time he said stats are for nerds,
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Speaker 2: and which I took great offense too. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: that's like my stick. But yeah, thirty would be awesome.
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Speaker 2: I think that'd be great. How was the haircut? Look?
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Speaker 1: By the way, on Bear Bachmeyer.
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Speaker 2: Bro, I call him ap Bear like assists to the
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Speaker 2: president like a missionary. Ap like ap Bear shows up
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Speaker 2: every photo day each year, and then he kind of
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Speaker 2: grows it out from there, and so there's a Samson
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Speaker 2: element there. He also said on Saturday, I didn't want
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Speaker 2: to quote get honor coated. He was just messing around.
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Speaker 2: But he looks great man. Look I just saw him
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Speaker 2: a few minutes ago. The cuts fantastic.
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Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know if this is more serious or
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Speaker 1: less serious. And because it's a bit of a soap
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Speaker 1: opera situation going on with there's a lot of attention
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Speaker 1: being paid to a real feud or a perceived feud
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Speaker 1: or you know, reading between the lines on some things
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Speaker 1: that Kilani has said and some responses from Brian Santiago
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Speaker 1: and things like that. It's a bit of a soap
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Speaker 1: opera for me. I don't think it changes BYU's ability
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Speaker 1: to win football games this year one iota. So it's
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Speaker 1: not a big story, a big enough storyline that I
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Speaker 1: don't want to spend a whole show on it. But
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Speaker 1: I understand why a lot of people are paying such
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Speaker 1: close attention to this. My question for you is, as
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Speaker 1: the attention is being paid, and as more articles are
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Speaker 1: written and more thought pieces are put out, is it
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Speaker 1: changing the situation in any way? Is it calling attention
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Speaker 1: to something and allowing BYU to fix it? Is making
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Speaker 1: it worse? Is it somewhere in the middle. What can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about this soap opera that has apparently developed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. My two cents on this is I'm hoping that
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Speaker 2: whatever resolution needs to occur occurs before the season so
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Speaker 2: that the season can be the season. I think everyone's
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Speaker 2: excited about football. I think BA fans have really invested
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Speaker 2: in BYU sports obviously, and their pros to that. There
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Speaker 2: cons of that when it comes to like that level
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Speaker 2: of interest, which is special and unique and awesome, you know,
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Speaker 2: Kali take, I think that this team doesn't really hear
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Speaker 2: the noise on the outside. You could also argue like, well,
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Speaker 2: how do you not? But I don't know that like
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Speaker 2: any of this situation affects like bear Bachmeyer's planning or
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Speaker 2: game prep, like this just dialed in all the like
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Speaker 2: we've talked about last week. The coaches and players, they
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Speaker 2: are just focused on the install, on the execution eventually
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Speaker 2: kind of later next week probably Utah Tech and so
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Speaker 2: on and so forth. So my sense is that it's
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Speaker 2: not like a rallying point because it's just a well,
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Speaker 2: we're in fall camp and we're we're focused. My hope is,
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Speaker 2: like I said, though, that whatever sort of resolution needs
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Speaker 2: to occur, whatever that looks like, hopefully it happens in
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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks so the season can be
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Speaker 2: the season. I don't want any of this kind of
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Speaker 2: rumors of speculation whatever it's to sort of linger. I
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Speaker 2: think then it becomes more of a distraction because Frankly
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Speaker 2: and I think we may have talked about it last
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Speaker 2: week the week of the Big Teal title game, when
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Speaker 2: klein Stock and Penn State are almost doing a deal
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Speaker 2: that was very distracting. But Buy lost that game one
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Speaker 2: because Texas Tech is good and two Bear Bachmer kind
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Speaker 2: of hurts his ankle on the first drive. And then
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Speaker 2: three there was a lot of noise that week, like
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Speaker 2: guys don't know what's going on, and it's a weird
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Speaker 2: time once the regular season ends now because they're getting
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Speaker 2: all kinds of like am I entering the Portalan a
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Speaker 2: couple weeks? Am I leaving? It's like, we still have
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Speaker 2: a team here and we have a championship to play for.
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Speaker 2: This team is hungry, humble, ticked off to try and
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Speaker 2: try and win a title, although they have a certain
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Speaker 2: maturity about them. So yeah, I'm I'm hoping that this
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Speaker 2: is more sort of for the fans as opposed to
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Speaker 2: in my sense talking to players and coaches is these
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Speaker 2: guys are pretty focused and there's not a distraction, which
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Speaker 2: is good news. I could see where it could be.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I when you're in football camp, and I know
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Speaker 1: people have some awareness of this. When you're in football camp.
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Speaker 1: A lot of these guys, if they're seeing or hearing
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Speaker 1: about this at all, it's because of teammates, right, Like
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Speaker 1: because there's there's like.
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Speaker 2: I can't told someone something and they bring it in.
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Speaker 1: And then it's just like, oh, did you know that
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Speaker 1: this is going on? And then then it will become
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Speaker 1: a conversation. But I can't even I've tried to go
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Speaker 1: through in my mind all the ways that this can
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Speaker 1: affect like the actual player, and it's like, what do
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Speaker 1: I care if my my boss gets along with his boss,
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Speaker 1: because that's what you're dealing with. Kalai Satake is the
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Speaker 1: center of their universe right now. Do they really care
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Speaker 1: if he gets along with his boss? Maybe? But today
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. At the end of the season, to
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Speaker 1: your point, right, maybe it would. Today it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: They've cut practice, they've got lyft, they've got treatment, and
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Speaker 1: then you do the same thing the next day until
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Speaker 1: football season is over. Basically yes.
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Speaker 2: And a couple thoughts. One is I think that Kilani.
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Speaker 2: You know those comments we talked about last week that
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Speaker 2: I posted where I was like, Wow, this is really
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Speaker 2: honest and open about the resources needed to win. I
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Speaker 2: think that was on July thirtieth, and that was preseason, Killani,
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Speaker 2: that was before fall camp. That was Hey, I have
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Speaker 2: some thoughts on this and he said as much a
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Speaker 2: little bit at media dan as well the day they
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Speaker 2: start fall camp. That ended, in my opinion, in his mind,
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Speaker 2: like I am done with any thoughts relative to that,
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Speaker 2: because last week, in week two a fall camp, at
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Speaker 2: photo day, those comments occurred, and that is I don't
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Speaker 2: want to deal with this. I want to focus on football.
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Speaker 2: To me, that was the sense I got. So I
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Speaker 2: think he's like, that's that I want to focus on
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Speaker 2: this team and football, because if he doesn't, if he's
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Speaker 2: talking now about it, I think that then becomes a distraction.
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Speaker 2: So I think he's trying to keep his team dialed
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Speaker 2: in here now that we're in fall camp and the season,
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Speaker 2: the preseason officially has begun.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to jump around too much here, But
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Speaker 1: Jackson Cohler is entering the portal. Is he going to
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Speaker 1: end up at BYU? One of the many players that
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Speaker 1: were awaiting a decision on whether or not five years
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Speaker 1: to play. Five would apply to people that just recently
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Speaker 1: finished their college eligibility, And obviously you've seen some football
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Speaker 1: players come back, now basketball players coming back. Jackson Cohler
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Speaker 1: from Michigan State is available and in the transfer portal
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Speaker 1: and a BYU target what do you know about this?
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Speaker 2: I think he'd be a tremendous ad He was a
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Speaker 2: top ten offensive and DS defensive percentage rebounder last year.
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Speaker 2: Super experience can pick and pop nail three first couple
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Speaker 2: of years didn't. He really came on last year as
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Speaker 2: more of a three point threat. Obviously, the great Experience
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Speaker 2: Michigan State would be awesome. Member of the church, grew
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Speaker 2: up down the road at AF I think he'd be awesome.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's just questions of eligibility obviously, but my
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Speaker 2: understanding is BYU is actively pursuing a guy of his talents, right,
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Speaker 2: and I think he'd be a tremendous add And frankly,
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Speaker 2: if he said, hey, he gets added to the roster,
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Speaker 2: I go to me, that might swing two or three wins,
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Speaker 2: like if we're talking win shares or whatever. I think
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Speaker 2: he'd be very valuable. From an experience and skills standpoint
18:38
Speaker 2: would be why you have a true center at true
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Speaker 2: five man to combat some of the bigger guys in
18:44
Speaker 2: college breastcall still know, but they would have two power
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Speaker 2: forwards that they brought in as well as a Dean
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Speaker 2: boop off the bench. That to me give you a
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Speaker 2: real nice arsenal of muscle to play quick, to get
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Speaker 2: to shooters, to get out and transition would really make
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Speaker 2: this bya team a threat to kind of stay in
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Speaker 2: the top twenty most of the year.
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Speaker 1: I want to congratulate, by the way, since we're talking
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Speaker 1: about influencing and swinging things one way or another, I
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Speaker 1: want to congratulate bear Bachmeyer on at least some Heisman
19:15
Speaker 1: momentum already. Because I'm sure you've seen this. The Heisman
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Speaker 1: Hopeful app and website is allowing a little bit more
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Speaker 1: engagement from fans. It allows fans to place the first
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Speaker 1: official vote for the Heisman Trophy in this year's award season.
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Speaker 1: And if I know anything at all about BYU fans
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Speaker 1: and the way the BYU fans handled things where their
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Speaker 1: participation could help a BYU athlete, I'm just going to
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Speaker 1: go ahead and preemptively congratulate bear Bachmeyer on at least
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Speaker 1: one Heisman vote.
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Speaker 2: I think that's great because, as you know, we have
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Speaker 2: a name for that. We call it jimmering a poll,
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Speaker 2: and I say that the PUS fans will be all
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Speaker 2: over that, especially when there's nothing going on. See, there's
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Speaker 2: there's fall camp, and there's stuff going on, right, so
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Speaker 2: maybe there's a little bit of like, oh I didn't
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Speaker 2: get through it, but that's exciting. You know. Do you
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Speaker 2: think do you think Utah fans will jump on it
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Speaker 2: for Devin? What's what's going on here?
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Speaker 1: Well? I think so. I think that there's plenty of
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Speaker 1: Utah fans that are like, yeah, I one hundred percent
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Speaker 1: want to jump on board and vote for Devin Dampierre.
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Speaker 1: But there's not as as we're aware, there's not Utah
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Speaker 1: fans in every state in every country. Uh, the same
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Speaker 1: way there are BYU fans and U tough fans just
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Speaker 1: don't have that same like rally sort of zeal. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a good way to put it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it happens. Can we talk about Niners Rams in
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Speaker 2: Australia No Week one? That's that's a crazy game, Like
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Speaker 2: why is that important game in Australia? Do I have
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Speaker 2: that right? They're playing in Australia week one?
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Speaker 1: Yes? Uh?
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Speaker 2: Well right, why are they? It's such a Are they
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Speaker 2: playing in a ASL stadium like Australian rules football?
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Speaker 1: Yeah it's or whatever?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Which are which double is cricket grounds in most cases, so.
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Speaker 2: They're huge, they're gonna be way far away. Are there
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Speaker 2: bringing their feats on the field. I've watched the maaszi Uels.
21:13
Speaker 2: Football's actually pretty fun. I love will we putting that
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Speaker 2: awesome of a game overseas. We need to put some crap.
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Speaker 2: They don't know right, They're just like, oh, two NFL teams,
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Speaker 2: Why do we put two crap teams in Australia. Well,
21:25
Speaker 2: this amazing NFC West matchup.
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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell, He's gonna eventually put a team there. According
21:30
Speaker 1: to Roger Goodell, you never know Australia.
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Speaker 2: That'd be the worst.
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Speaker 1: If you're Aaron Donald, do you want the trip to
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Speaker 1: Australia or do you want to not have to deal
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Speaker 1: with that? And so you're like, I'll come back in
21:42
Speaker 1: week eight.
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Speaker 2: That's that's not a bad thing. I honestly at this point,
21:46
Speaker 2: and I've had several people reach out to me like, oh,
21:48
Speaker 2: Tayston Hills retired. I said, no, he's not. He just
21:51
Speaker 2: isn't with the Saints. It's not the SATL wants to
21:54
Speaker 2: join a competitor, like he wants to come mid season
21:56
Speaker 2: or later or whatever. Like cave Annoyd did this a
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Speaker 2: couple weeks in the season. Two years ago with the
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Speaker 2: Ravens and then he had a career year and they're
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Speaker 2: in the playoffs and one that so yeah, I mean
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Speaker 2: if I I'm like, I'll see you wig two bro.
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Speaker 1: I if Taysom Hill could somehow end up with the
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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers, and it would allow me
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Speaker 1: to finally be unfettered and rooting for him as just like.
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Speaker 2: A football player, unchained.
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Speaker 1: Like because you know, it's there's always this this funky
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Speaker 1: relationship you have with players from the rival school where
22:31
Speaker 1: even if you respect the heck out of what they
22:32
Speaker 1: did for the rival school, you like, you can't buy
22:36
Speaker 1: you can't buy a Steve Young jersey until he's on
22:39
Speaker 1: your favorite pro team, which, yes, that works for me.
22:42
Speaker 2: I have a Bobby Wagner Seahawks jersey.
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Speaker 1: To your point, yeah right, And like Fred Warner, he's
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite players, probably probably my favorite current
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Speaker 1: player in the NFL. But I love it, you know,
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Speaker 1: And if Taysom Hill jumps off on board that too,
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like, all right now, he's a Niner.
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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, all of this was like, yeah, we like you,
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Speaker 1: we like you. When you're at Stanford we respect you
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Speaker 1: when you're in Stanford. Oh, now you're a Niner. Now
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Speaker 1: I can love you.
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Speaker 2: I want to hear this from you, Niner guy. So
23:19
Speaker 2: back when Zach Wilson had the twenty twenty one pro
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Speaker 2: to a BYU and obviously that throw that went nuts
23:24
Speaker 2: and everything, we did a live show. We see, you know,
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Speaker 2: Robert Sala and the Jets walk in and then I
23:30
Speaker 2: see John Lynch show up in the building and I'm like,
23:33
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, the Niners won Zach. If the Jets
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Speaker 2: don't take it, they won him at three. To me,
23:38
Speaker 2: that's one of the biggest what ifs in bo sports
23:40
Speaker 2: history is what if the Jets don't take Zach and
23:43
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan gets the opportunity to groom Zach Wilson into
23:47
Speaker 2: the quarterback that Brock Purdy sort of became. Do you
23:51
Speaker 2: feel like Zach would have had success similar success to
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Speaker 2: Brock if he had been the Niners draft pick at
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Speaker 2: three instead of Tree Lance.
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Speaker 1: I'll say this, he would. He would have had more
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Speaker 1: success than he did with the Jets. And I believe
24:06
Speaker 1: you would have more success than Trey Lance. Trey Lance
24:08
Speaker 1: ended up being a bus I was never even and
24:12
Speaker 1: you know this was on air when I was talking.
24:15
Speaker 1: I was never like the biggest believer in Zach Wilson.
24:19
Speaker 1: I thought that, you know, he benefited greatly from the
24:23
Speaker 1: weird vacuum that that COVID season created for you know,
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Speaker 1: for him, and I'd begrudge him none of that, because
24:31
Speaker 1: go get your money, do your thing, like maximize your potential.
24:34
Speaker 1: I also simultaneously to thinking like he was never really
24:39
Speaker 1: truly a top five quarterback draft pick. I also hate
24:45
Speaker 1: that he was. We will never find out right because
24:48
Speaker 1: his confidence got his confidence got destroyed. The way that
24:52
Speaker 1: that whole situation played out ended up being you know,
24:55
Speaker 1: like really really damaging to the one thing that quarterbacks
24:59
Speaker 1: have to have, and that is that impenetrable winning psyche.
25:04
Speaker 1: So we'll never get to know. And I think that
25:07
Speaker 1: it served as a real detriment to his his career
25:10
Speaker 1: ultimately that he ended up there. So I wouldn't have
25:13
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have loved if the Niners had taken him instead.
25:16
Speaker 1: I would like, I didn't love that they took Trey
25:17
Speaker 1: Lance either. Would he be brock party I mean, I'm
25:22
Speaker 1: not a brock purty guy necessarily, so I I could
25:26
Speaker 1: I could see it being equivalent to what brock Purty did.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's up there. And one of the questions I
25:33
Speaker 2: have of what if, you know, what if Brandon Davies
25:36
Speaker 2: plays in twenty eleven on that Sweet sixteen Boa team.
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Speaker 1: Shout out to Bridden he was retired by the way.
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Speaker 2: Yes he did. What a career. He made a lot
25:43
Speaker 2: of dough overseas. He was great, He was all over
25:45
Speaker 2: the world. You know what if Taysom Hill never had
25:48
Speaker 2: a season ending injury, especially in twenty fourteen and we
25:50
Speaker 2: already started four to oh and he's kind of in
25:53
Speaker 2: the heis and Conwell and Boi only had three Power
25:54
Speaker 2: four opponents Power five opponents that year, maybe at all three,
25:57
Speaker 2: Like what could that have been? Could he have been
25:59
Speaker 2: kind of your Jordan Lynch Northern Illinois outsider in the
26:01
Speaker 2: heismand kind of finalist? You know, there's a million of
26:04
Speaker 2: these what covid BYU team men's basketball. They were playing
26:07
Speaker 2: like the top ten team season get shut down. So
26:10
Speaker 2: these are just these are just a handful of them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for you fans, it's just what if Cam Rising
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Speaker 1: never had a knee explode?
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Speaker 2: That's probably the one, right, that's good.
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Speaker 1: Enough That's good enough for me. Jerem, you're the man.
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Speaker 1: I always appreciate picking your brain. Thanks for joining me, Sir.
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Speaker 2: You're welcome. Sean's good documents