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Credlin | 17 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Predo Quidlin Live from New twenty four.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program, Big weaker haired Parliament,
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Speaker 2: of course. On in Canberra's Coming Up to Night on Kredline,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister finally finds a premier to sign up
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Speaker 2: to his gun buyback just New South Wales. That's it,
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Speaker 2: coming on board over the weekend. But what's the real
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Speaker 2: story around registered guns, illegal guns and crime? And these this,
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Speaker 2: as critics say, just as smokescreen to avoid discussing radical Islam.
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Speaker 2: The migration debate heats up, the vast majority of Australians
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Speaker 2: saying they've lost faith in labor. All the while Tony
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Speaker 2: Burke goes to ground following that canceled press club speech,
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Speaker 2: plus a new ad campaign taking the Victorian government to
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Speaker 2: task over crime. I'll have that exclusive for you, and
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Speaker 2: some shocking CCTV of a home break in as the
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Speaker 2: state becomes more brazen, and ten scenes in Parliament as
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Speaker 2: the Opposition have had enough of the fudging from Chris
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Speaker 2: Bowen when it comes to renewables.
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Speaker 3: Investment Minister, would you just cut the crap and tell
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Speaker 3: Australians how much a raw capacity investment scheme is costing tax.
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Speaker 2: Payers The first under pressure today was the government's weakest link,
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Speaker 2: Housing Minister Clara O'Neil. Although that's a pretty contested space.
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Speaker 2: The weakest link, isn't it At any event? She was
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Speaker 2: that today O'Neil in the hot seat as budget changes
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Speaker 2: continue to cause catastrophic damage right across the housing industry
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Speaker 2: and the economy generally. Ask today what percentage of people
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Speaker 2: in her own Melbourne seat have fallen into negative equity
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Speaker 2: as a result of tax changes announced in the May budget.
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Speaker 4: Well, O'Neil did everything but answer.
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Speaker 5: The question, Minister, how many homeowners in your electorate of
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Speaker 5: Hotham are now in negative equity?
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Speaker 4: It has made.
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Speaker 5: Very significant changes to housing taxation in this country, and
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Speaker 5: we've done that because we recognize that home ownership is
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Speaker 5: the most important aspiration of most Australian families.
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Speaker 2: Well around and around She when, of course she didn't
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Speaker 2: answer the question because she doesn't know that much was obvious,
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Speaker 2: so obvious in fact, that the speaker, of course is
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Speaker 2: a labor man. Milton Dick was forced to warn her
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Speaker 2: against her usual use of blatherer to run down the clock.
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Speaker 6: All Right, all right, the minister clear answer. She's not
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Speaker 6: being relevant to the question JM S. We're moving to
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Speaker 6: the next question.
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Speaker 4: Sit down, lady.
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Speaker 2: Now, Unfortunately for O'Neil, the statistics don't lie. Today it
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Speaker 2: was the turn of the NAB Chief Executive Andrew Irvine
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Speaker 2: to report a sixteen percent fall in home loan apple
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Speaker 2: applications in the June quarter, with the decline accelerating post
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Speaker 2: budget in May, and led his said by investors, now,
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Speaker 2: the government's been trying to fudge the falls to date,
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Speaker 2: agreeing that yes, yes, investors are falling away, but they
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Speaker 2: say home occupiers and first home buyers are making up
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Speaker 2: the shortfall.
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Speaker 4: Well that's not.
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Speaker 2: Right either, with the NAB reporting that owner occupiers they
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Speaker 2: have fallen sharply as well, right across the board, down
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Speaker 2: some fourteen percent across the quarter. And this is where
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Speaker 2: the Opposition zeroed in today.
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Speaker 7: Minister, why has the number of first home buyers dropped
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Speaker 7: by more than six percent this calendar year?
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Speaker 4: Okay, it's not just the NAB either.
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Speaker 2: Last week Westpac reported a twenty percent drop in housing
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Speaker 2: applications since the budget. The Combank will they were down
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Speaker 2: fifteen percent, the A and Z down twelve percent across
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Speaker 2: the board. House values are falling fast in clearance rates
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Speaker 2: are struggling as well, as the NAB Boss acknowledged today,
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Speaker 2: it's not just owners, occupiers and investors. There's a whole
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Speaker 2: supply chain of people who are making their living in
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Speaker 2: the housing market and they're struggling right now. Business writer
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Speaker 2: Robert gott Libson went further, making the point that a
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Speaker 2: ten percent fall in the price of dwellings has a
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Speaker 2: similar impact on the economy as two or three interest
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Speaker 2: rate rises, and everyone everyone is going to get hit.
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Speaker 2: Those paying off a home have an asset now worth
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Speaker 2: less today than before the May budget. Those renting will
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Speaker 2: they face rent hikes as their landlord begins to struggle.
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Speaker 2: Constructions slowing down, and that hits the supply chain and
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Speaker 2: of course tradees and as people worry about the value
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Speaker 2: of their biggest asset or paying the rent, those businesses
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Speaker 2: selling goods and service as a hit too because spending
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Speaker 2: starts to slow. And that was reported today by JB
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Speaker 2: hi Fi, which saw sales drop in May and fall
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Speaker 2: even harder in June and July. With the real risk
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Speaker 2: that as things tighten, people might lose their homes.
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Speaker 4: Came renewed calls.
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Speaker 2: Today for people to be able to access superinnuation to
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Speaker 2: help keep the roof over their heads.
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Speaker 4: First from one nation.
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Speaker 3: We're saying is rather than lose your house, how about
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Speaker 3: you get access to the capacity to keep it.
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Speaker 4: Hang on, it's my money, it is my money and
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Speaker 4: backed in by the Coalition.
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Speaker 7: Back to nineteen ninety two and you said that retirement
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Speaker 7: pensions matter more than home ownership because home ownership you
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Speaker 7: get the benefits of and your working life and your retirement,
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Speaker 7: whereas retirement only is in retirement. People would say that
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Speaker 7: was madness. This is a big divide between us and.
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Speaker 1: The Labor Party.
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Speaker 7: The Coalition lead. Superannuation is your money and you should
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Speaker 7: be able to determine how to use it. The Labor
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Speaker 7: Party believes that superannuation money is their money and they
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Speaker 7: harvest it for graft and kickbacks every step of the way.
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Speaker 7: Between themselves the trade union movement.
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Speaker 2: Now, for thirty four years people have been forced to
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Speaker 2: pay some of their salary into compulsory super It was supposed,
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Speaker 2: this was a story at the time. You remember, it
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Speaker 2: was supposed to help fund our retirements, to get people
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Speaker 2: off the pension and ultimately save taxpayers in the end
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Speaker 2: from a pension system that Keating told us at the
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Speaker 2: time was not sustainable. I mean that's not what's happened.
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Speaker 2: By and large, the pension numbers haven't changed as much
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Speaker 2: as promised. The number of people needing taxpayer support in
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Speaker 2: their retirement remains high and unsustainable longer term, and people
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Speaker 2: miss out on using their money when they need it
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Speaker 2: because the rules to access super are so restrictive. The
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Speaker 2: real winners out of all of this, out of our
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Speaker 2: compulsory supersystem, are the industry super funds who make billions
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Speaker 2: and the unions who are also part of the gravy train.
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Speaker 2: That's what all of this fight was about today. This
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Speaker 2: wasn't labor defending super This was all about labor defending
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Speaker 2: their donation and power base.
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Speaker 8: Compulsory super and preservation as an important element of that
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Speaker 8: are absolutely key to giving Australian workers the retirement incomes
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Speaker 8: and economic security that they need and deserve. We will
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Speaker 8: defend it forever from the liberals, nationals and one Nation
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Speaker 8: who want to destroy it.
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Speaker 2: You give the money to the industry super fund, the
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Speaker 2: industry super fund gives it to the union, the union
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Speaker 2: gives it to the Labor Party and it's this virtual
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Speaker 2: circle right today. Out of question time less than parliamentary
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Speaker 2: language from the Opposition Manager of Business, Liberal Dan Tan.
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Speaker 9: My question is to the Minister for Climate Change and Energy, Minister,
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Speaker 9: would you just cut the crap and tell Australians how
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Speaker 9: much your capacity investment scheme is costing tax payers?
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Speaker 4: Now?
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Speaker 2: I think we all share Danteen's frustration with Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: but he earned this rebuke, ald prompt rebuke from Speaker
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Speaker 2: Milton Dick.
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Speaker 6: That sort of language is beneath the dignity of this House.
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Speaker 6: If you wish to say that in your own time
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Speaker 6: and your own capacity, go for it. I'm tempted to
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Speaker 6: rule the question out and just to move to the
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Speaker 6: next one, but I want this to be a final
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Speaker 6: warning that people cannot use that language in here. It
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Speaker 6: is completely unacceptable.
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Speaker 4: Fair enough.
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Speaker 2: I don't like bad language bad behavior in the chamber either.
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Speaker 2: But how's this from til Zali Stegel.
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Speaker 10: In respect to your comments, mister Speaker. As the Manager
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Speaker 10: of Opposition b Business, it's incumbent on him to show
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Speaker 10: respect and lead and show leadership. He should be asked
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Speaker 10: to leave the chamber and that question is not in order.
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Speaker 10: If we can't set the standards here.
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Speaker 4: It's crazy. Karen's at the end of the horseshoe.
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Speaker 2: Seriously, where was Stegel and all the other women from
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Speaker 2: the left last week? Is alban easy ducked for cover
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Speaker 2: over that crude podcast? Where was Stegel's use of the
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Speaker 2: parliament last week? Where were her questions to the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister putting him under some pressure for disrespecting the Japanese
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Speaker 2: female prime minister, or even his crass treatment of Carly
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Speaker 2: Minogue saying he'd shag her if it had half a chance.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Stegel's hypocritical, She's weak. She's weak and hypocritical
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Speaker 2: by all means. Tell Tin to do better. But how
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Speaker 2: about you to be to yourself? How about your show
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Speaker 2: some consistency because you're not fooling anyone, Zali Stegel. Every
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Speaker 2: woman in Australia, we see you absolute frauds. Those Karens
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Speaker 2: on the cross bench.
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Speaker 4: I will leave it there.
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Speaker 2: I could go on all night about them, couldn't I
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Speaker 2: let's get the headlines from Canberra.
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Speaker 11: One Nation claims the superannuation system is broken and wants
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Speaker 11: to give people more access to their retirement savings. Leader
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Speaker 11: Pauline Hansen tells News twenty four.
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Speaker 12: In some ways. I feel that you should give them
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Speaker 12: their money now and let them help them with the
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Speaker 12: cost of living. It is their money.
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Speaker 8: We will defend it forever from the Liberals, Nationals and
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Speaker 8: one nation who want to destroy.
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Speaker 11: It another one nation. Senator Malcolm Roberts has been hauled
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Speaker 11: in for a meeting with his boss to discuss a
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Speaker 11: series of controversial podcast appearances on which he praised conspiracy
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Speaker 11: theorist Alex Jones, entertained claims of chemtrails and linked COVID
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Speaker 11: vaccinees to miscarriages.
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Speaker 13: Yes, Pauline has spoken.
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Speaker 14: To me about that.
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Speaker 11: What did she say, Senator?
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Speaker 14: She said the media lies, so.
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Speaker 11: She endorses what you said on those podcasts.
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Speaker 15: She knows that the media distorted what I said on podcasts.
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Speaker 4: Has she not go on podcasts?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 11: Should he be scaling back those sort of comments to
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Speaker 11: you respect.
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Speaker 14: I'm not going to throw any colleague under a bus.
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Speaker 11: Cameron Reddin, News twenty four Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, as I said, it's another sitting where it's
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Speaker 2: a second part of the fortnighte and who better to
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Speaker 2: pull it all apart than our News twenty four political
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Speaker 2: contributor Chris Yilman. Chris I kicked off with Question Time today.
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Speaker 2: In the hot seat, of course, was Housing Minister Clara
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Speaker 2: O'Neil and coping rightly.
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Speaker 4: I think flack about property.
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Speaker 2: Values the risk of negative equity, and it's not just
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Speaker 2: a retric or hyperbole hyperboll as Julia gill I used
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Speaker 2: to call it.
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Speaker 4: The data's out there.
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Speaker 2: We had NAB, we've had Westpac, we've had combat with
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Speaker 2: A and Z across the board. It's ten plus percent
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Speaker 2: falls in value, sorry, not in value. In mortgage applications,
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Speaker 2: values are down, Clearance rates are down, and it's all
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Speaker 2: emanating from those decisions in the budget in May.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Pet, Look, I don't know why the Labor Party
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Speaker 16: didn't lean into this a little bit more, because the
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Speaker 16: entire reason for cutting negative gearing was obviously to try
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Speaker 16: and cut the price of housing. And you could make
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Speaker 16: a reasonable argument I would have thought that the price
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Speaker 16: of houses in Australia was way too high. But the
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Speaker 16: combination of the things that the Labor Party has done
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Speaker 16: has opened up other losers. And there were always going
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Speaker 16: to be losers out of this, and none more so
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Speaker 16: than those who have borrowed. Just five percent borrowed enormously
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Speaker 16: against the five percent deposit and then find themselves in
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Speaker 16: a housing market where the price of their houses are
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Speaker 16: falling and they are falling into negative equity. That was
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Speaker 16: also always going to be one of the outcomes of this,
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Speaker 16: and Treasury did warn about that possibility.
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Speaker 14: So it's the mix of policies.
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Speaker 16: That's created a problem for the Labor Party and the
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Speaker 16: fact that it's really not been clear about what it's
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Speaker 16: set out to do.
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Speaker 2: Chris migration right in almost every bracket of headlines, migrations
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Speaker 2: in the mix.
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Speaker 4: It's coming from all sides.
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Speaker 2: Another poll today, a majority of people say that Labor
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Speaker 2: can't handle migration, a majority of voters saying they want
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Speaker 2: the numbers reduced. I think it's only fourteen percent of
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Speaker 2: people oppose changes to our rate of migration. We were
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Speaker 2: promised to speech nearly two weeks ago now from Tony
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Speaker 2: Burkey went to ground. We were told we'd get it
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Speaker 2: last week. Well that hasn't happened. We were told we
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Speaker 2: might get it this week. Again, we're getting nothing from Labor.
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Speaker 2: They can't keep running from the problem. But it's amplifying
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Speaker 2: clearly to you and to me that there are internal
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Speaker 2: issues that he cannot get through his caucus.
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Speaker 4: Or indeed the cabinet.
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Speaker 16: A Labor parties sees the threat there is a real
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Speaker 16: concern in the community. It's being amplified by one nation
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Speaker 16: and this is the Labor Party's response to it. But
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Speaker 16: of course you are always going to get pushed back
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Speaker 16: in internally from the party because unfortunately, with our migration system,
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Speaker 16: everyone's got a particular part of it that they like.
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Speaker 16: You know, the National Party happens to like the fact
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Speaker 16: that we get migrant workers who come in and pick fruit,
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Speaker 16: among other things, and that's a good part of the
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Speaker 16: migration program. So you know, no one wants to cut that.
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Speaker 16: And then there are others who don't want to look
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Speaker 16: at family or reunion. But then you have to ask
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Speaker 16: a question when you're unifying a family where the relatives
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Speaker 16: who are coming in are in their retirement years, what
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Speaker 16: benefit is that to Australia. So this is a complicated area.
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Speaker 16: Yet all parties need to do something about it because
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Speaker 16: most of the population has come to the conclusion that
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Speaker 16: this is an unregulated system now and that will see
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Speaker 16: them turn on the migration program as a whole. That
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Speaker 16: would be bad for Australia. So we do need to
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Speaker 16: make some sensible cuts. We've got to find a way
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Speaker 16: of making sure that we can keep pace with the
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Speaker 16: population as it grows and provide them with the services
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Speaker 16: that they need.
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Speaker 1: And it's quite apparent.
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Speaker 16: That the existing population feels that it's in competition for
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Speaker 16: those services with the migrant population.
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Speaker 2: Look many years ago, I worked in the immigration portfolio
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Speaker 2: in the Howard years, and what I don't understand we're
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Speaker 2: having a constant, blunt instrument debate about just a simple
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Speaker 2: cut or a steadying of the numbers you mentioned there
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Speaker 2: about rural workers. Let's say you can reclassify visa types.
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Speaker 2: You can have them so that they are only for
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Speaker 2: rural workers, for fruit pickers and other laborers, and have
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Speaker 2: them terminate after two years with no rights for visa
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Speaker 2: extension that you have to go off.
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Speaker 4: Shore to reapply again.
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Speaker 2: I think the issue people have with some of these
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Speaker 2: students or short term backpacker type visas is the way
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Speaker 2: that they can just be extended and leap frogged from
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Speaker 2: one class to another. So you come in studying it
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Speaker 2: as a kid from India, but you end up being
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Speaker 2: an uber driver for fifteen years and just rolling the
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Speaker 2: visas over until eventually you become a permanent migrant and
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Speaker 2: bring your whole family here. So rather than just simply
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Speaker 2: cutting numbers, Chris, I think the whole thing needs to.
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Speaker 4: Be pulled apart.
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Speaker 2: We've got way too many visa classifications. Simplify them, cut
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Speaker 2: them down, have them terminating with no capacity to roll over,
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Speaker 2: and certainly no appellet jurisdiction either, because the problem is
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Speaker 2: you get knocked back by the Department and then they
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Speaker 2: just appeal and appeal and appeal, often with taxpayer funded
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Speaker 2: legal aid.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 16: Well I meant to all that, and I know where
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Speaker 16: i'd start. I'd start with the universities, because the universities
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Speaker 16: aren't actually selling degrees anymore, they're selling a pathway to citizenship.
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Speaker 16: I think that Australia's universities have let Australia down on
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Speaker 16: so many fronts it's not funny. But this is another
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Speaker 16: one of them.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's talk about universities and China, because
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Speaker 2: you're looking very closely at Penny Wong.
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Speaker 16: Well, Pennywog on Friday did something quite extraordinary. She issued
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Speaker 16: a declaration really to the Australian National University and a
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Speaker 16: Queensland University, but particularly the one at the A and
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Speaker 16: you took my interest, which has a joint agreement with
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Speaker 16: Shandong University, and she used to national security powers to
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Speaker 16: say that this was not in Australia's interest and that
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Speaker 16: agreement had to be ripped up and had to be
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Speaker 16: done reasonably quickly. So there are a whole lot of
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Speaker 16: other universities with a whole lot of other courses that
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Speaker 16: fall into this. But the interesting thing is this Penny
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Speaker 16: Wog moving against a Chinese agreement, and you can't tell
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Speaker 16: me that that won't echo loudly in Beijing and that
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Speaker 16: this should be a way bigger story than it is.
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Speaker 16: So good on her for acting. There's a whole lot
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Speaker 16: of more action that needs to be done, but it's
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Speaker 16: a pretty good start, I would have thought. And it
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Speaker 16: seems to me to be showing a shift inside Pennies
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Speaker 16: Wong's office. I think she's done so much work now
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Speaker 16: she's doing whack a mole in the Pacific with the
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Speaker 16: Chinese and seeing the intelligence briefings every single day that
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Speaker 16: she recognizes that China is a clear and present danger
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Speaker 16: on a whole range of fronts and a lot of
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Speaker 16: those are already inside our borders.
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Speaker 2: Well, maybe she can walk down the corridor and have
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Speaker 2: a talk to the people in the PMO, because it's
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Speaker 2: his story. This afternoon on a new political website called
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Speaker 2: Litiko from a former labor inside of his name is
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Speaker 2: Ryan Heath's breaking this story. He says that Albanese he
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Speaker 2: sought advice from Paul Keating as to how he could
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Speaker 2: change the accounting rules on the fence spending to make
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Speaker 2: it all look a whole lot better than it really is.
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Speaker 2: And I guess the code in all of that is
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Speaker 2: the disposition, the friendly disposition someone like Keating has about
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Speaker 2: China and perhaps not scaring the horses in Beijing.
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Speaker 16: We're going to hear a whole lot more about this
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Speaker 16: because it comes from a book by an academic called
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Speaker 16: James Current, who's writing about Paul Keating and China, and
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Speaker 16: Keating himself boasts about the relationship that he has with
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Speaker 16: the current pm and the fact that he spent hours
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Speaker 16: with him before he went off to see Shijingping. And
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Speaker 16: some of his advice was this, Peter, that the Australians
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Speaker 16: had to swim between two sharks. Now, when you think
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Speaker 16: of that analogy, I thought he was talking about China,
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Speaker 16: and he's talking about the United States. No, he was
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Speaker 16: talking about the United States and the China Hawks in Canberra.
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Speaker 16: He doesn't see China as a threat at all. He's
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Speaker 16: one of the key enablers for China in this country.
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Speaker 16: And what China would do to us if we allowed
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Speaker 16: people like Paul Keating to have a loud voice in
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Speaker 16: the ear of Prime Minister would be to turn us
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Speaker 16: into a client state. That is the kind of state
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Speaker 16: that they want out of Australia. They are clearly at
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Speaker 16: work in a very big way inside our universities, in
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Speaker 16: our communities, in our political system. They have penetrated our
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Speaker 16: critical infrastructure and they have malware sitting there.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 16: If there's ever a conflict, they will switch off the
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Speaker 16: lights in Australia. That will be the first idea that
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Speaker 16: we have that there is a conflict, That stuff is
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Speaker 16: already there now. Now is this the action or are
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Speaker 16: these the actions of a friendly nation? I don't think so.
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Speaker 16: I think Penny Wong gets it. I wonder whether the
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Speaker 16: Prime Minister does.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 2: Follow the money, Chris, follow the money to the dinner
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Speaker 2: parties in the Harburside areas of Sydney. Follow the money
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Speaker 2: from Daniel Andrews and others, and it's no mistake he
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Speaker 2: was there with the Prime Minister at that recent dinner.
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Speaker 2: Follow the money of unions and super funds all the
20:02
Speaker 2: way through. There are connections to Beijing. I think that's
20:05
Speaker 2: the worry that I have. I'll leave it there. We
20:08
Speaker 2: will return to that theme.
20:09
Speaker 4: I'm sure.
20:10
Speaker 2: Let's go out to Labour's Capacity Investment scheme. This is
20:14
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's pet project that gambles on renewables and that
20:17
Speaker 2: futile hope he can still get to that eighty two
20:21
Speaker 2: percent renewables target that is pitching for. Since its inception
20:26
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, the scheme has been shrouded in secrecy.
20:29
Speaker 2: We can't get the actual numbers in any great detail.
20:32
Speaker 2: He hides behind these line commercial in confidence, keeping pricing
20:37
Speaker 2: data and return on investment secret from tax payers. But
20:42
Speaker 2: overnight the Australian or they've obtained some new documents and
20:46
Speaker 2: they reveal our quote. Here private companies committed around forty
20:49
Speaker 2: billion dollars in self ascribe social license commitments as of
20:53
Speaker 2: February to have their revenue guaranteed on the public purse
20:58
Speaker 2: under a scheme that is seen on my most one
21:00
Speaker 2: in ten projects drop out as of February sixty five,
21:05
Speaker 2: and ounced renewable energy or battery storage projects had promised
21:09
Speaker 2: an estimated thirty five billion in local content, one billion
21:13
Speaker 2: in shared community benefits, eight hundred and ninety five million
21:17
Speaker 2: in benefits for Indigenous communities and one hundred and twenty
21:20
Speaker 2: three million in local employment. Joining me now to pull
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Speaker 2: the detail apart, because the detail is what matters, the
21:28
Speaker 2: director of Energy Research at the Center for Independent Studies,
21:31
Speaker 2: Aidan Morrison. Okay, give it to a seat in layman
21:35
Speaker 2: terms here, Aiden, Now we have at least some site
21:39
Speaker 2: now of these formally confidential documents.
21:43
Speaker 4: What's your takeout.
21:46
Speaker 17: Well, I think that the capacity investment scheme is being
21:50
Speaker 17: under realized, underappreciated by the general public just how large
21:53
Speaker 17: it is and what an absolutely massive financial liability is
21:56
Speaker 17: the nation. So today we've had I think a little
22:00
Speaker 17: bit of realization, a little bit of a wake up
22:02
Speaker 17: as to the scale of the capacity investment scheme. And
22:05
Speaker 17: there's been these new numbers released by the Australian with
22:09
Speaker 17: a lot of excitement, but just to break down what those.
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Speaker 1: Numbers actually are.
22:13
Speaker 17: The most of that forty billion dollars is actually local content,
22:17
Speaker 17: and now that is actually not really an extra sweetener
22:19
Speaker 17: for the deal. That is actually core construction, that is
22:22
Speaker 17: the civil engineering contract is electrical integration. Pretty much every
22:26
Speaker 17: dollar that gets spent on the project here in Australia
22:29
Speaker 17: is included in that thirty five billion dollars, So we
22:31
Speaker 17: would expect that to hopefully be a large number and
22:34
Speaker 17: which really shouldn't be hoping they would bring in external
22:37
Speaker 17: supplies for that kind of local work being done here,
22:40
Speaker 17: but also about a billion dollars for indigenous community or
22:44
Speaker 17: benefits mural painting for example, a bit over a billion
22:48
Speaker 17: dollars for local benefits. These are the things like buying
22:51
Speaker 17: new jerseys for the local sporting team, whateverever else it
22:54
Speaker 17: is like that, So trying to win the social license
22:56
Speaker 17: using those types of grants also really substantial. I think
23:00
Speaker 17: the biggest thing here is that we haven't been able
23:01
Speaker 17: to get the full cost of the liability to taxpayers.
23:04
Speaker 17: That is still completely elusive. The government is just point
23:07
Speaker 17: blank refusing absolutely every request to speculate on what the
23:11
Speaker 17: cost of the program will be the taxpayers.
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Speaker 1: But today we've got a glimpse of what they are planning.
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Speaker 17: On spending in Australian content there, which is about forty
23:19
Speaker 17: billion dollars. The full scale of the projects, that's what's
23:23
Speaker 17: spent in building these projects overall, will probably be a
23:26
Speaker 17: bit over double that. So we're talking about one hundred,
23:28
Speaker 17: one hundred and twenty billion dollars how much the taxpayers
23:31
Speaker 17: have to pay for Well, it could be somewhere up
23:34
Speaker 17: to approaching half given where power prices are today. The
23:37
Speaker 17: truth is the government doesn't know, and they're giving us
23:40
Speaker 17: no visibility on their estimates at all.
23:42
Speaker 2: Still, I remind people at home that one billion dollars
23:47
Speaker 2: is one thousand million. We say it really fast, and
23:50
Speaker 2: it adds up fast, you know when we're talking about
23:53
Speaker 2: numbers and schemes like this AIDAN. But I never want
23:55
Speaker 2: to let lose sight of how many millions are in
23:58
Speaker 2: a billion in the scheme.
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Speaker 4: We've only got.
24:01
Speaker 2: One project, one project only, that's managed to get to
24:05
Speaker 2: the online phase. Almost half of everything that's been announced
24:10
Speaker 2: has not even progressed into actual agreements. So where's the
24:15
Speaker 2: value for money?
24:17
Speaker 1: Look, there's none.
24:18
Speaker 17: That's the ironic thing about this program is that they've
24:21
Speaker 17: basically done whatever it takes subsidy. They've opened the door
24:25
Speaker 17: set to companies come and tell us how much money
24:27
Speaker 17: you need guaranteed from the state, guaranteed from taxpayers for
24:31
Speaker 17: you to reach financial clothes and start building your projects.
24:34
Speaker 17: And this is the spectacular failure on every dimension you
24:37
Speaker 17: want to measure it on. They're not even succeeding in
24:40
Speaker 17: handing that money over because so many of these projects
24:43
Speaker 17: that have been awarded an offer, they've said we'll give
24:45
Speaker 17: you what money you've asked for, are still not reaching
24:48
Speaker 17: financial clothes. They're not even accepting it. And one of
24:51
Speaker 17: the big reasons is that you haven't Actually the companies
24:54
Speaker 17: still have to weigh up the chances they can get
24:56
Speaker 17: enough transmission connection to deliver all their power to mark.
25:00
Speaker 17: That's a risk they still have to take. And so
25:02
Speaker 17: ultimately there's this scheme to spend whatever it takes, is
25:06
Speaker 17: not even succeeding in spending that money at the moment
25:10
Speaker 17: because projects haven't been able to get the confidence they
25:12
Speaker 17: need their transmission will be available to deliver to the market.
25:16
Speaker 17: So the scheme is poorly designed and not succeeding on
25:19
Speaker 17: almost any metric you can try to set for it.
25:23
Speaker 2: But it's your money, people at home, it's your money,
25:25
Speaker 2: and you'll let her know exactly how much you are spending.
25:27
Speaker 4: It's criminal. I'll over there, thank you.
25:29
Speaker 2: Aiden after the break the latest ad campaign from Fixed Victoria.
25:34
Speaker 2: This is the mob that's taking on the government over
25:37
Speaker 2: the state's crime crisis. Plus dark figures exposing just how
25:41
Speaker 2: under resource Victoria police are. But a tea, I have
25:44
Speaker 2: a bone to pick with a police commissioner. I have
25:47
Speaker 2: a common team made in relation to child criminals.
25:51
Speaker 4: Is coming up? Welcome back still to come?
25:56
Speaker 2: New South Wales becomes a first and only state to
25:58
Speaker 2: sign up to a gun by back scheme.
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Speaker 4: Will it work to.
26:02
Speaker 2: Keep you safer? Or is it more smoke and mirrors
26:05
Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister. But first, last week I bought
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Speaker 2: you the first ad campaign from Fix Victoria. This is
26:12
Speaker 2: a group that's been established to shake up the election
26:15
Speaker 2: in the southern state and get voters to understand just
26:18
Speaker 2: how broken Victoria is and what needs fixing to get
26:22
Speaker 2: it back on its feet.
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Speaker 4: The first ad from Fixed.
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Speaker 2: Victoria went viral, so now I want to show you
26:28
Speaker 2: their second ad. This ad is one targeting out of
26:32
Speaker 2: control crime.
26:35
Speaker 18: Victoria's tsunami of debt, waste, overspending and corruption steals resources
26:41
Speaker 18: from policing.
26:43
Speaker 1: So illegal tobacco.
26:44
Speaker 18: Criminals have been threatening local businesses with fire bombing and
26:50
Speaker 18: recruiting vulnerable kids to steal cars and break into shops
26:54
Speaker 18: and homes. We need a plan to fix debt and
26:57
Speaker 18: fund police and join us to Fix Victoria.
27:01
Speaker 19: Authorized by d Henderson for Fix Victoria and Corporated Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: Right, Johnny Now, the head of advocacy for Fixed Victoria.
27:08
Speaker 2: Gideon ros Now, Gideon, thank you. As I said that
27:12
Speaker 2: first at about debt went everywhere, you would have been
27:16
Speaker 2: pleased with that response. Now you're tackling crime, and crime's
27:19
Speaker 2: got a number of components. This components the organized crime.
27:25
Speaker 2: Why is it such an issue in this state?
27:27
Speaker 1: Well, it's an issue.
27:27
Speaker 19: Well, well, the reason we're pushing the boat out on
27:29
Speaker 19: this particular issue is because it's what our members care about.
27:32
Speaker 19: We have been inundated with concerns that the public order
27:35
Speaker 19: is breaking down. And if there's one thing that people
27:38
Speaker 19: look to the state for, it's actually the maintenance of
27:40
Speaker 19: public order.
27:41
Speaker 1: But when you have the state overrun.
27:43
Speaker 19: By organized crime gags in this way, something has gone
27:46
Speaker 19: very very wrong. So we started with debt because debt
27:49
Speaker 19: is the first issue among many. But we are paying
27:51
Speaker 19: one million dollars every hour just on the interest on
27:54
Speaker 19: that debt. When you're paying that kind of money, of
27:56
Speaker 19: course you can't afford police and other things you need
27:59
Speaker 19: to maintain in public order.
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Speaker 2: And you know when that figure came out initially about
28:04
Speaker 2: the CFMU with a big build and that organized crime
28:06
Speaker 2: corruption allegation at fifteen billion dollars, I think we all thought, oh,
28:11
Speaker 2: that can't be right. Now the new premier is not
28:14
Speaker 2: disputing that number. The new Premier has caused called a
28:17
Speaker 2: royal commission. We still don't have any details on it
28:20
Speaker 2: my mind. But that then tells you it's the tip
28:23
Speaker 2: of the iceberg.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, it does.
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Speaker 19: And look and as you said, this is just one
28:28
Speaker 19: component in the broader suite of crimes that are affecting
28:31
Speaker 19: Victorian the people care about. The other one is, of
28:34
Speaker 19: course home invasions. People don't feel safe from their own
28:36
Speaker 19: homes anymore. And you're seeing, you know, everybody's gore a story.
28:40
Speaker 19: You've got a story, I've got a story. I understand
28:42
Speaker 19: we've sent you some footage as well.
28:44
Speaker 4: I'll play that in a minute. Just done that.
28:46
Speaker 2: But if you are talking about debt, then I guess
28:50
Speaker 2: related to that is how you fund your police, how
28:53
Speaker 2: often you build new police stations, the hours that they
28:56
Speaker 2: are open, and you've done some research there as well.
28:59
Speaker 1: Yes, done the work.
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Speaker 19: So a few years ago it was announced that forty
29:02
Speaker 19: three Victorian police stations were losing their twenty four hour desk. Now,
29:06
Speaker 19: at the time, two things were said, one that these
29:09
Speaker 19: twenty four hour desks would be restored quickly, but also
29:12
Speaker 19: that in the interim they would have at least sixteen
29:14
Speaker 19: or eight hours desk time attended.
29:16
Speaker 1: Now we checked and we did the work.
29:18
Speaker 19: Only one of those stations is back to full time
29:21
Speaker 19: twenty four hour protection, but the others only half of
29:25
Speaker 19: them have the minimum eight hours or sixteen hours. Some
29:28
Speaker 19: are only open a couple of days a week, some
29:29
Speaker 19: are open three days a week. Other police stations are
29:31
Speaker 19: open by appointment. So if you need a police station
29:34
Speaker 19: in in the middle of the night, too bad, you
29:36
Speaker 19: have to ring up and make an appointment several days later.
29:39
Speaker 1: That's not good enough.
29:40
Speaker 19: But again, this is what happens when you can't pay
29:42
Speaker 19: for the basics in Victoria. This is what happens when
29:44
Speaker 19: you are spending twenty four million dollars every day on interest.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to that footage. We're talking about home invasions.
29:52
Speaker 2: We're talking about people with young families, older people, vulnerable
29:57
Speaker 2: people at home. Yes they here a window smashed or
30:01
Speaker 2: the door is rattled and suddenly someone's in their property.
30:04
Speaker 2: We've got some footage that we've both seen and put
30:07
Speaker 2: it to where now, But I want people around the
30:09
Speaker 2: country to understand what Victorians live with in the middle
30:12
Speaker 2: of the night, right around the state. Have a look, okay,
30:23
Speaker 2: we'll just talk through that. You can see it there
30:25
Speaker 2: on the screen. This is just a suburban Melbourne house
30:30
Speaker 2: and people are obviously coming over.
30:32
Speaker 4: The fews walking through.
30:33
Speaker 2: I think we get a time code there, two fifty
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Speaker 2: six three.
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Speaker 4: Am in the morning.
30:37
Speaker 19: Yeah, and what you're seeing. Actually, the extraordiny thing about
30:40
Speaker 19: this isn't the fact necessarily that seven people broke into
30:43
Speaker 19: this person's house in the middle of the night. This
30:45
Speaker 19: has happened four times in four years to the same house.
30:49
Speaker 19: As I said, everybody has a story. I was reading
30:51
Speaker 19: this morning in the paper about Mick Moltouse, the football.
30:54
Speaker 4: Legend to him about his breaking right.
30:57
Speaker 19: Okay, in his case, he managed to find them off
31:00
Speaker 19: with the crowbar. He copted some pretty serious injuries, but
31:02
Speaker 19: he managed to offend his family. That's all very well
31:05
Speaker 19: and good, but what about the many households where you
31:07
Speaker 19: don't have an ex footballer.
31:08
Speaker 1: To protect you.
31:09
Speaker 19: What about the households where a mother might be at
31:12
Speaker 19: home with her kids with a husband away on business
31:15
Speaker 19: or something. What about pensioners or older people who are
31:17
Speaker 19: vulderable inside their own homes.
31:19
Speaker 1: Now again, if we can't have safe.
31:20
Speaker 19: Streets at the very very least, the bare minimum we
31:24
Speaker 19: can ask for is to be safe in our own homes.
31:27
Speaker 1: And that's not possible either. This is very, very wrong, Peter, I.
31:31
Speaker 2: Want to go some comments from the new police commissionaries
31:33
Speaker 2: come across from New New Zealand. His name is Mike Bush.
31:38
Speaker 2: We had a recent incident where a twelve year old
31:40
Speaker 2: child has been charged in relation to.
31:46
Speaker 4: Events around him.
31:47
Speaker 2: Wasn't directly charged with the manslaughter of the shopkeeper of
31:50
Speaker 2: Sunshine recently, but he was involved. They allegedly frey and
31:54
Speaker 2: other things a twelve year old child. He was out
31:57
Speaker 2: there saying that he's not going to parents for the
32:02
Speaker 2: actions of their children.
32:03
Speaker 4: I'll plume a part on this. I disagree with that.
32:06
Speaker 2: I'm not saying the parents are too blame, but the parents,
32:09
Speaker 2: by God need to take responsibility.
32:11
Speaker 19: Look, Peter, as speaking as a father myself, I don't
32:13
Speaker 19: understand how you don't take responsibility for your child. Why
32:16
Speaker 19: would you want your child to be embarking on this
32:18
Speaker 19: life of crime. But look, the point is that the
32:22
Speaker 19: police can't guarantee good parenting. But what the police and
32:25
Speaker 19: what the state can do is as to make sure
32:28
Speaker 19: that the consequences of bad parenting are not affecting the
32:32
Speaker 19: rest of us now, and that comes from law and order.
32:34
Speaker 17: Now.
32:34
Speaker 19: As you said, one of the offenders twelve years old
32:37
Speaker 19: who was involved in the alleged murder of Van Vietron,
32:41
Speaker 19: was out on bail later on. What kind of message
32:43
Speaker 19: is that sending? How are we supposed to feel safe
32:47
Speaker 19: if we cannot keep violent criminals, Yes, underage ones, but
32:50
Speaker 19: violent criminals none of the yeares alleged off the streets.
32:53
Speaker 2: How can people get involved? I know there was a
32:55
Speaker 2: big response last time from my viewers.
32:57
Speaker 19: Yes, and look, we've had plenty of people writing in
32:59
Speaker 19: a incidents that have happened to them in relation to crime.
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Speaker 1: We want to hear from everybody. We want to give.
33:03
Speaker 19: Everyday victorians the voice, So please go ho to fix
33:06
Speaker 19: Victoria dot com dot au. You can contact us there
33:09
Speaker 19: and if you really want to support us, join sign
33:11
Speaker 19: up and help us get the message out because we
33:13
Speaker 19: are making a real difference.
33:14
Speaker 2: And political party candidates deal with our question.
33:17
Speaker 19: No, we are not a political party. We're not running candidates.
33:19
Speaker 19: We work with any political party. We will work with
33:21
Speaker 19: any politician who has.
33:23
Speaker 1: A plan to fix this mess.
33:24
Speaker 19: We're for any Victorian, no matter what party you've supported
33:26
Speaker 19: in the past.
33:27
Speaker 1: We are for all Victorians.
33:29
Speaker 4: You're not going to let the politicians hide there are
33:30
Speaker 4: you never know? Get in Thank you right.
33:33
Speaker 2: I want to just stay with the Victorian election. There
33:35
Speaker 2: was some news over the weekend. There was a Liberal
33:37
Speaker 2: party launch and the former labor man, the comedian you'll
33:40
Speaker 2: love seeing him on your socials, Dave here, So.
33:43
Speaker 4: I'm pretty outspoken.
33:44
Speaker 2: Well, he has come out and said he's going to
33:46
Speaker 2: endorse the Liberals. He said he'll hold them on us
33:48
Speaker 2: though he's going to be pretty tough on them too.
33:51
Speaker 2: But he says the only way to fix Victoria now
33:54
Speaker 2: is to change the government.
33:56
Speaker 15: Have a listen, Dan Andrews Labor lad and well, his
34:00
Speaker 15: influence over this state is enough. We'd spend a disaster
34:03
Speaker 15: I've got three kids and I want them to have
34:05
Speaker 15: a chance in this country. It's a beautiful country, and
34:08
Speaker 15: right now we are we're letting politicians sell the future
34:12
Speaker 15: so they can get reelected.
34:15
Speaker 2: Well, if you've been watching Kredlin the whole way through,
34:17
Speaker 2: you know exactly what I thought of Daniel Andrews prior
34:20
Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty two election. I suspect you didn't
34:23
Speaker 2: vote for him people like Dave did, and they've got
34:25
Speaker 2: buyer's remorse.
34:27
Speaker 4: Let's go to some breaking news. I've got you.
34:29
Speaker 2: This is a letter in from the Opposition leader's office
34:32
Speaker 2: sent to me. Angus Taylor has now reritten to the
34:35
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. He says, for all your talk about wanting
34:40
Speaker 2: to fix the widow's tax, it hasn't been done yet.
34:44
Speaker 2: We want you to do it immediately. It's too important
34:47
Speaker 2: to leave in the state it's in. But Taylor says,
34:50
Speaker 2: we're not going to touch the NDIS legislation until you
34:54
Speaker 2: fix the issue for the widows. He says there is
34:57
Speaker 2: an opportunity this week to resolve the issue. I call
35:01
Speaker 2: on the government to support the coalition's private senator's bill
35:04
Speaker 2: to repeal the widow's tax as an immediate priority. Now
35:08
Speaker 2: the government said it's going to do it. The fact
35:10
Speaker 2: that it hasn't, what's that about? Good on you, Angus Taylor.
35:14
Speaker 2: Right after the break the Prime Minister and Chris min
35:16
Speaker 2: say the gun buyback is necessary to keep you safe?
35:20
Speaker 4: Is it?
35:21
Speaker 2: We'll speak to an expert about how much gun crime
35:24
Speaker 2: is actually committed by lawful gun owners. Welcome back still
35:32
Speaker 2: to come paull in hands and recognize the debate over
35:35
Speaker 2: super calling for people to get early access to their money.
35:40
Speaker 2: But first, yesterday the Prime Minister finally found a premier
35:43
Speaker 2: to sign up to his vexed gun buyback scheme, New
35:47
Speaker 2: south while as becoming the first state, the only state
35:49
Speaker 2: to sign up. So will it make us safer? Joining
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Speaker 2: me now to dig into the detail of the issue
35:56
Speaker 2: of gun buybacks. Former AFP Detective Superintendent David Kra David As,
36:02
Speaker 2: I've gone looking at the research. There's a lot of
36:05
Speaker 2: competing stats, a lot of terminology on guns. I thought
36:08
Speaker 2: you're the best person to come on and help us
36:10
Speaker 2: work through it. One thing stagging me a lot of
36:13
Speaker 2: the research is ten or twenty years old, so there's
36:15
Speaker 2: not up to date research.
36:17
Speaker 4: Do we have.
36:18
Speaker 2: Any idea of how many legal guns are used in
36:22
Speaker 2: murders every year as opposed to illegal guns?
36:29
Speaker 14: Hi, Peter. Look, the answer to that, in short is no.
36:32
Speaker 20: What we do know is in the twenty four to
36:34
Speaker 20: twenty five year we had two hundred and sixty four
36:38
Speaker 20: four murders nationally. Of those, twenty three used to firearm
36:41
Speaker 20: and the statistics aren't broken down further than that. So
36:45
Speaker 20: talking about over ninety percent of Australia's homicide rate is
36:49
Speaker 20: based on non firearm related defenses.
36:54
Speaker 4: Okay, when we.
36:55
Speaker 2: Talk about what's a legal gun versus an illegal gun?
36:59
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, erroneously that an illegal gun was
37:03
Speaker 2: imported illegally, perhaps a three D printed gun, But oftentimes
37:09
Speaker 2: it's a gun that was legal, has been stolen from
37:13
Speaker 2: someone entitled to have it, a registered gun, but once
37:16
Speaker 2: it's in the hands of a criminal, it becomes an
37:19
Speaker 2: illegal gun.
37:20
Speaker 4: Is that the right definition?
37:24
Speaker 20: That's the definition that people seem to use, Peter, But
37:26
Speaker 20: the more corrective it definition will be registered firearms because
37:30
Speaker 20: it's the registered firearm that is used in a homicide
37:33
Speaker 20: or in a gun violent attack.
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Speaker 14: That's the statistic we really need to look at.
37:38
Speaker 20: Because you're right, as soon as a firearm is stolen
37:41
Speaker 20: and it becomes illegal, and at what point you start
37:43
Speaker 20: changing the statistics? So they need to record how many
37:46
Speaker 20: registered firearms have been used in homicides, and considering over
37:50
Speaker 20: ninety percent of our homicides in Australia are non firearm
37:54
Speaker 20: related to draw down that we need a buyback scheme.
37:58
Speaker 14: I don't know what technical results they're relying on.
38:02
Speaker 2: So why are we even having a debate about a
38:04
Speaker 2: buyback scheme? If the alleged gunman at Bondi was not
38:11
Speaker 2: a the two of them obviously were not registered firearm holders.
38:17
Speaker 2: If that wasn't the case, would we even be having
38:20
Speaker 2: this debate about registered guns and buybacks?
38:27
Speaker 14: I don't think so, Peter.
38:28
Speaker 20: But when people talk about Bondi, and I do it myself,
38:31
Speaker 20: you say, oh, the Bondai is shooting, But when you
38:33
Speaker 20: really look at the facts, the Bondai attack was actually
38:36
Speaker 20: a failed bombing and shooting attack. There were four unexploded
38:40
Speaker 20: bombs thrown at people on that day. Luckily they didn't explode,
38:45
Speaker 20: but police said though were viable devices. There was another
38:47
Speaker 20: found in the vehicle allegedly, so bombs have been legal
38:51
Speaker 20: in Australia for oh, I think quite a long time,
38:53
Speaker 20: like forever. I don't think suddenly having a gun buyback
38:57
Speaker 20: is going to work. And if they're looking at it
38:59
Speaker 20: worked for John Howard, the whole thing is different because
39:01
Speaker 20: it was a national scheme of registering, securing, licensing, buyback
39:06
Speaker 20: a whole and I was one of the ones that
39:08
Speaker 20: had to begrudgingly give up his firearms back then, but
39:10
Speaker 20: I did it along with many others. But I don't
39:13
Speaker 20: see that this is going to have very much, if
39:16
Speaker 20: at all, any impact on future terrorist attacks.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so why are we doing it? Do you think?
39:23
Speaker 2: Because critics say this was the Prime Minister grabbing a
39:26
Speaker 2: fig leaf, trying to align himself with the toughness of
39:30
Speaker 2: Howard after the massacre at that time, but also to
39:34
Speaker 2: avoid having to discuss radical Islam, because it took the
39:36
Speaker 2: Prime Minister a long time to even use those words.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, you know, I'm not a political animal, Peter, But jeez,
39:47
Speaker 20: I know crime and I know that this is not
39:50
Speaker 20: really any market difference in relation to crime statistics. I
39:54
Speaker 20: don't think it will help any crime type, particularly it
39:58
Speaker 20: certainly won't help in the way of terrorism, and I
40:00
Speaker 20: can't even see how it's related to the Bondai attack,
40:04
Speaker 20: given that one of those firearms was actually registered and
40:07
Speaker 20: held a legal owned, legal owner allegedly, certainly the.
40:12
Speaker 14: Regime that allowed him to have that needs to be
40:13
Speaker 14: looked at.
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Speaker 20: But I don't know that taking the firearms off everyone
40:17
Speaker 20: else that's done the right thing is actually the answer.
40:21
Speaker 2: Are you surprised that in the case the bond by
40:23
Speaker 2: Royal Commission? To date at least we haven't seen the
40:26
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, the Premier, Police ministers, Home Affairs ministers, anyone
40:33
Speaker 2: in those key portfolios in and around that period of time,
40:36
Speaker 2: and the leader post October seven called to give evidence
40:40
Speaker 2: at the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 20: I think it's essential that they are called, Peter, because
40:47
Speaker 20: I mean, we're hearing from some very astute witnesses and
40:50
Speaker 20: some less so, but it's still very very important.
40:54
Speaker 14: It's very engaging viewing. But without our political.
40:57
Speaker 20: Leaders, who were you know, pulling this ring of law enforcement,
41:01
Speaker 20: law and order and were in the chair, if you like,
41:05
Speaker 20: as anti Semitism was rising, as our national threat level
41:09
Speaker 20: rose to probable, they should be called into account about
41:13
Speaker 20: what they knew, what they were told, what they expected
41:15
Speaker 20: and why didn't they predict this?
41:18
Speaker 2: And I want to know did they do enough where
41:20
Speaker 2: they were warned? Have they funded things adequately? I want
41:25
Speaker 2: to know not just the acts that were conducted, but
41:28
Speaker 2: also the omissions, David, And that's the whole point of
41:31
Speaker 2: a royal commission.
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Speaker 20: Yeah, definitely, Peter, and I mean it's been revealed that
41:37
Speaker 20: AZEO had something like a thirty seven percent budget increase
41:41
Speaker 20: in the years leading up to Bondeiu. But at the
41:43
Speaker 20: time of the Bondeau shooting, despite that agency warning of
41:47
Speaker 20: a probable terrorist attack mean we are probably going to
41:50
Speaker 20: have one. They were spending less resources than they were
41:52
Speaker 20: on counter terrorism before the nine to eleven attack. What
41:55
Speaker 20: I haven't seen is any data from the AFP about
41:58
Speaker 20: their funding and their positions.
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Speaker 2: All right, I leave it there, David Craig, thank you,
42:03
Speaker 2: And just after the break we'll stay on security matters
42:05
Speaker 2: because there has been an attack against a One Nation
42:09
Speaker 2: staffer at EKKA in Brisbane. James Ashby's coming up. He'll
42:12
Speaker 2: give us all the latest.
42:19
Speaker 4: FALCO back. Well yesterday she did, didn't she?
42:22
Speaker 2: Paulin Hansen, reigniting the debate, have a superannuation calling for
42:26
Speaker 2: earlier access.
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Speaker 12: A lot of austrainers are doing it tough now and
42:31
Speaker 12: struggling to pay their mortgages. In some ways, I feel
42:33
Speaker 12: that you should give them their money now and let
42:36
Speaker 12: them help them with the cost of living.
42:38
Speaker 2: It is their money and that kicked its way into
42:42
Speaker 2: Canberra Today joined me in Now to discuss his former
42:45
Speaker 2: Liberal Lampigna Cole Flint and One Nation's national director James Ashby.
42:50
Speaker 2: Well nick I went through this sort of history. At
42:53
Speaker 2: the top of the show. Thirty four years ago, we
42:55
Speaker 2: were told we'll have compulsory super it'll reduce the load
42:59
Speaker 2: on the pension. It will also give people plenty of
43:01
Speaker 2: money in their retirement. Well that's not what's happened. We've
43:04
Speaker 2: still got a lot of people on the pension. It's
43:06
Speaker 2: not sustainable. We've got everyone getting richer on the union
43:10
Speaker 2: side and the super fun side.
43:12
Speaker 4: They're all powerful, but poor old.
43:14
Speaker 2: Punters putting money away when they need it most. Should
43:17
Speaker 2: we rethink this, We absolutely should, Peter and I couldn't
43:22
Speaker 2: agree more with your assessment.
43:24
Speaker 4: One of the most important things.
43:26
Speaker 21: You can do for people, whether you're a young couple
43:29
Speaker 21: wanting to start a family and secure your future, or
43:33
Speaker 21: to look after retirees in the retirement, is to own
43:36
Speaker 21: your own home. It makes such a huge difference. You've
43:39
Speaker 21: got proper security if you own your own homes. So
43:42
Speaker 21: I fully support enabling people to do that as quickly
43:45
Speaker 21: as they can. And you're absolutely right, it's their money,
43:49
Speaker 21: their superhaneotion is their money. But of course we will
43:51
Speaker 21: see the unions and the super funds fight tooth and
43:55
Speaker 21: nail to prevent this from happening because they don't want
43:59
Speaker 21: individuals make decisions about their future themselves, and Labor and
44:04
Speaker 21: the Greens and the Tills don't either because that means
44:07
Speaker 21: that they lose control over the Australian people.
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Speaker 4: What most excites.
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Speaker 21: Me about this, though, is that we are going to
44:13
Speaker 21: see a proper policy debate at the next federal election
44:16
Speaker 21: about how Australians want to live their lives and who
44:19
Speaker 21: they think is best to help them do so in
44:22
Speaker 21: federal government.
44:25
Speaker 2: James, we'll get into issues with you, but I must
44:27
Speaker 2: ask you about the One Nation staffer and the attack,
44:31
Speaker 2: the assault, alleged assault on this person at Eka.
44:34
Speaker 4: What can you tell us.
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Speaker 22: Well, she's a sixty three year old grandmother, she's worked
44:40
Speaker 22: for the party now for a number.
44:41
Speaker 13: Of years, does a fantastic job.
44:43
Speaker 22: It was the first echo that One Nation had participated
44:47
Speaker 22: in and as she'd walked through the gates on the Friday,
44:50
Speaker 22: she was set upon by four youths, three.
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Speaker 13: Girls, one male.
44:55
Speaker 22: The females began by calling her a sea and I'm
44:58
Speaker 22: not calling I'm not suggesting it's the conservative word. I
45:01
Speaker 22: mean the aggressive one then spat on her, and then
45:05
Speaker 22: the male couldn't get his way, so he thought he'd
45:08
Speaker 22: grab her, twist her arm and then punch her in
45:11
Speaker 22: the ribs, which has led to broken ribs. She spent
45:15
Speaker 22: quite a few hours at the hospital there in Brisbane
45:18
Speaker 22: before being discharged at two am, and now she's recuperating
45:21
Speaker 22: at home and it's likely going to be at least
45:24
Speaker 22: two weeks of agonizing pain. If you've had broken ribs,
45:27
Speaker 22: you know the feeling of what that means.
45:29
Speaker 13: It means no laughter, no joy in your life, and
45:31
Speaker 13: it makes it hard to hobble around.
45:34
Speaker 2: I want to see if I can pull up some
45:36
Speaker 2: vision of that anti Pauli Hanson rally from school kids
45:40
Speaker 2: on Friday, it might have been actually Thursday.
45:44
Speaker 4: Let's see if I can pull it up. Because you
45:45
Speaker 4: had a young.
45:45
Speaker 2: Bloke, a young reporter, one Nation man James in the crowd.
45:50
Speaker 2: What staggered me was the level of violence from other
45:54
Speaker 2: young people about Pauline Hansen and the party itself.
45:58
Speaker 4: Have a listen.
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Speaker 23: I'm at the students protest against Pauline Hanson. Let's hear
46:04
Speaker 23: what they have to say. Do you guys, what would
46:06
Speaker 23: you do if Paulin hands for you today? I'm all right.
46:19
Speaker 2: James, tell us who this young bloke is and were
46:21
Speaker 2: you shocked by the violence.
46:24
Speaker 13: He's one of our youngest members.
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Speaker 22: Actually he's only fifteen, so therefore I won't use his name.
46:29
Speaker 22: I don't need him getting the same harassment that his
46:32
Speaker 22: brother received and we had to pull him out of
46:35
Speaker 22: similar circumstances where he was doing similar reporting at these events.
46:39
Speaker 13: But the Prime Minister says turn the temperature down.
46:43
Speaker 22: But where was his condemnation of this language and this
46:46
Speaker 22: attitude from a very small cohort. I won't say that
46:50
Speaker 22: all young people feel this way towards Pauline Hanson, because
46:52
Speaker 22: that's just not the truth, not when you see our
46:54
Speaker 22: young reporter out there. But the issue is that, you know,
46:58
Speaker 22: we see a lot of young women and rightfully so
47:00
Speaker 22: called for the end of domestic violence, but here they
47:03
Speaker 22: are spurring on death threats and harm to our politicians.
47:08
Speaker 22: This should not be heard, whether it be against paul
47:11
Speaker 22: An Hanssen or Marine Ferruci, who I despise very much.
47:14
Speaker 22: But I can have my differences with her without getting
47:18
Speaker 22: violent and cause.
47:20
Speaker 13: Harm to her. And I think that's what's missing from
47:22
Speaker 13: the left. The left get nasty and violent.
47:25
Speaker 22: Conservatives stay very calm and they're quite prepared to argue
47:28
Speaker 22: their point.
47:29
Speaker 13: Kids aren't getting that well.
47:32
Speaker 2: When I was at school, we were in the debating team, Nicole,
47:34
Speaker 2: we weren't sort of standing out, protesting, screaming like banshees.
47:38
Speaker 2: But I made the point of the top of the show,
47:40
Speaker 2: and this is a little bit milder, but it makes
47:42
Speaker 2: the same point. You know, Dan Tian uses the word
47:46
Speaker 2: crap in the chamber. The speaker rules it out fair enough,
47:49
Speaker 2: let's lift the tone of the parliament. But then upgets
47:52
Speaker 2: the tears, upgets Zalie's Stegel really ticking off. Dan Tea
47:55
Speaker 2: in about a genter, kindler parliament.
47:58
Speaker 1: I didn't see.
47:59
Speaker 2: Zari Stegel and feet last week asking a question of
48:02
Speaker 2: the PM about the podcast and his treatment of Sunai
48:06
Speaker 2: Takashita that the Japanese Prime Minister, did.
48:08
Speaker 21: You no I didn't, nor did I have seen any
48:13
Speaker 21: of the teals. I don't think Peter pointing out the
48:16
Speaker 21: comments that the Prime Minister made about Kylie Minogue, let
48:19
Speaker 21: alone the Prime Minister's wife, who seems to keep being
48:23
Speaker 21: forgotten in all of this. He made comments that went
48:27
Speaker 21: international about their private life.
48:30
Speaker 4: That I was appalled by and then offended.
48:33
Speaker 21: Kylie Minogue, one of our most brilliant performers and also
48:37
Speaker 21: an international superstar, and then one of our most important
48:42
Speaker 21: trade and defense allies, the Japanese Prime Minister. He is
48:46
Speaker 21: an absolute disgrace. It is just it's just unbelievable that
48:52
Speaker 21: all of these so called feminists and champions of women
48:55
Speaker 21: have been absolutely silent on his utterly disgraceful and sex behavior.
49:02
Speaker 2: Here, hey, James, just a quick one. Everyone's telling the
49:06
Speaker 2: National Party to adopt one nation policy. Here's a national
49:09
Speaker 2: Party policy I reckon one nation should look at. They
49:12
Speaker 2: are saying no hex fees for anyone who ends up
49:16
Speaker 2: in the military.
49:17
Speaker 4: What do you think of that.
49:19
Speaker 22: Well, we've got to look at all policies that are
49:22
Speaker 22: put forward because at the end of the day, we're
49:24
Speaker 22: not getting enough people sign up to our defense force,
49:27
Speaker 22: and there should be encouragements. Look, we pay for degrees
49:30
Speaker 22: and certainly skills that are obtained within the Defense Force.
49:35
Speaker 22: If we can get these people with those skills by
49:38
Speaker 22: all means, we'd be very happy to have a look
49:39
Speaker 22: at that.
49:41
Speaker 2: There you go, that's how you do it. Graciously, look
49:43
Speaker 2: at any good idea. James Ashby, thank you both. Nicole
49:47
Speaker 2: Flinn as well. That's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 4: Here's Andrew