Latest / Mini Scroll / MINI TECH SCROLL: Coachella livestream debate, AI influencers posting festival content + the viral Sam Altman exposé
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- 0:00Hey everyone, and welcome to Mini Scroll, the daily Internet
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- 0:11My name is Annabelle and I'm your Wednesday Mini Tech Scroll
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- 0:17media brand Centennial World. Welcome back to Mini Tech Scroll
- 0:22for another week. I hope you guys have been doing
- 0:24well. This is actually the third time
- 0:26that I've been on the mic this week.
- 0:28I jumped on Mini on Monday to obviously discuss Bieber cello
- 0:32with Lauren and we also filmed a Patreon episode yesterday.
- 0:36But in case you missed it on Mini I was basically
- 0:39representing the Believer fan bases perspective on Bieber
- 0:43cello. We did get into it in quite a
- 0:47lot of detail in the episode, but as a historic Believer, like
- 0:50I'm obviously not a unbiased source, but I really did enjoy
- 0:56the interactive slash intimate vibe to the performance.
- 0:59And I do feel like it kind of humanized him in a way that I
- 1:02feel like audiences have really struggled to do throughout his
- 1:05career. But of course, as I said in that
- 1:07episode, I definitely understand the argument that if a woman did
- 1:10a show like that, the response slash conversation around it
- 1:13would probably look a lot different.
- 1:16At the end of the day, though, I just like seeing artists enjoy
- 1:20themselves on stage and do a show that feels right for them,
- 1:22to be honest. And like, who am I to dictate
- 1:25that? I am not a musician, I'm not a
- 1:27performer. So yeah, I don't know why I just
- 1:30gave you that recap, but feel free to tune into Monday's
- 1:33episode of Mini Skull if you want more of that discourse.
- 1:37But my apologies if you are sick of hearing about Coachella.
- 1:41I do have a couple more Coachella adjacent stories today
- 1:44before we get into them. Please remember to rate, review,
- 1:47and subscribe. And also feel free to check out
- 1:50Centennial World's Patreon if you want more fun behind the
- 1:53scenes content. But yeah, let's just get into
- 1:55the stories for this week. So my first story for today is a
- 1:59little bit more Internet culture probably than I usually go for
- 2:03on mini tech scroll, but I thought it was interesting.
- 2:05So I have started to see conversation online about how
- 2:09the production and performance on the mainstage at Coachella
- 2:14seems to cater more to digital audiences as opposed to the
- 2:17people in real life. And I just thought it'd be
- 2:19interesting to kind of pick up on this conversation a little
- 2:22bit who start off with, I do think a lot of this conversation
- 2:25came off the back of Bieber, Chella, and the inclusion of
- 2:28live stream comments on the Jumbotron, as well as Justin
- 2:31referencing the viewers watching from home and asking them for
- 2:34song requests. As someone who is watching the
- 2:36live stream, I did immediately clock this interaction because
- 2:40this isn't something that you usually see during a performance
- 2:44live streamed on this scale. I will say though, if it was to
- 2:47happen anywhere, Coachella definitely makes sense because
- 2:50over the past ten years or so, we all know Coachella has become
- 2:54the Influencer Olympics with creators attending for content
- 2:57and social media users living vicariously through them.
- 3:00But this obviously isn't the only way people are virtually
- 3:03attending the festival. YouTube has been live streaming
- 3:07Coachella in the early twenty 10s, where the experience has
- 3:10subsequently become known as Couchella, AKA watching
- 3:14Coachella from your couch. I was partaking in that this
- 3:17year, as I do every year. But since these first live
- 3:20streams, Coachella has obviously massively ramped up live
- 3:23streaming capabilities. In 2019 actually, it was the
- 3:26first time that both weekends were available on live stream,
- 3:29and then in 2023, YouTube was set to live stream all six
- 3:33stages. As far as the updates for this
- 3:36year's live stream, 7 stages are being streamed and 4K resolution
- 3:40was introduced to smaller stages.
- 3:42There's also a multi stage viewing option which I think a
- 3:45lot of people have been loving. So obviously there are continual
- 3:48improvements being made and this is something that various
- 3:51Couchella goers have noticed and appreciated.
- 3:54I thought I would read some of the posts on Reddit to kind of
- 3:56express this sentiment and set the tone In the R slash
- 4:00Coachella Reddit. 1 user shared a post expressing gratitude to
- 4:03the live streaming team as they wrote quote.
- 4:05I'm in Australia and I'm unlikely to ever go to this
- 4:08festival, but this live stream really is so great.
- 4:11Working in media. I know how much back end would
- 4:13be going into this epic production across all the stages
- 4:16and it's incredible that they do this for us and for free.
- 4:19The quality and multiple cameras used are amazing and to be
- 4:22honest, if I had to pay I would. And it seemed that many users
- 4:26shared this opinion because many of them are praising the
- 4:29technical aspects and production of the streams, specifically
- 4:31mentioning all the cinematic shots and various artistic
- 4:34moments. Also in the R slash Coachella
- 4:37Reddit, 1 user shared how grateful they are specifically
- 4:40for the Coachella community quote, showing some love for
- 4:43those here who contributed to the live stream discourse.
- 4:46I'm recovering from surgery and Coachella was just the thing I
- 4:49needed. So many amazing sets this year.
- 4:51The community here really was great.
- 4:53Obviously these are glowing reviews, but I should add that
- 4:56not everyone is as on board with the all in mentality towards
- 5:00live streaming that Coachella seems to kind of be leaning
- 5:03into. One post for example on the R
- 5:05slash festival subreddit question the production choices
- 5:08within some of the sets that seem to cater to the live stream
- 5:11specifically as they wrote quote.
- 5:14Don't know how I feel about Coachella leaning really hard
- 5:16into production being focused on stream viewers.
- 5:19We saw this with Bad Bunny Super Bowl half time performance and
- 5:22I've really noticed it this year at Coachella, especially the
- 5:25headliners. The production is clearly made
- 5:27with live stream in mind, prioritizing the camera over the
- 5:30crowd plenty of times. It is worth noting here that the
- 5:33focus on the camera is also to the benefit of the crowd to some
- 5:37degree. Considering the amount of people
- 5:38who are attending the festival. I think it's approximately like
- 5:41125,000 per day. So there is no way that every
- 5:45festival goer will be able to see the person performing.
- 5:48But as the original poster continues, quote, if I'm at a
- 5:52festival and it feels like the performer is shooting a music
- 5:54video, I'd be pretty alienated and I do imagine some other
- 5:59festival goers would feel similarly.
- 6:00This combined with the quote UN quote influencer Olympics of it
- 6:04all, we really can see how Coachella has definitely become
- 6:08a social media first event. And arguably this plays into the
- 6:11discussion that I've also been seeing across TikTok talking
- 6:14about how horrible slash dead the crowd has been this first
- 6:19weekend of Coachella. OK, you're probably thinking
- 6:21like, why am I talking about this on mini tech?
- 6:24But I thought it was a really interesting example of how our
- 6:28social media habits, Internet trends, and I guess also like
- 6:31the influence of personal tech impact how we experience their
- 6:35relevance and then what companies and brands do to
- 6:39capitalize on that. And it's a double edged sword,
- 6:42right? Because for the people at home,
- 6:44it does democratize the experience entirely, as you can
- 6:47probably gather from those Reddit posts I included,
- 6:51particularly because of the quality of the headliners.
- 6:53And a lot of people around the world might not get the
- 6:55opportunity to see these people in concert or in festival for
- 6:59whatever reason. Aside from democratizing the
- 7:02event, I think it makes sense that Coachella as a festival
- 7:05would lean into digital participation because arguably
- 7:08that extends its cultural impact.
- 7:10Like that's why so many people care about Coachella every year.
- 7:13And I thought a piece for why and put this quite well.
- 7:16The journalist noted how Coachella's primary marketing
- 7:18tool is FOMO at this point. But beyond cultural impact, it's
- 7:22also financially incentivized because Coachella makes so much
- 7:26money through its partnership with YouTube.
- 7:28But because of this, it's arguably also changed how shows
- 7:31are put together and how people experience it.
- 7:34This has been a conversation, to be fair, for a while now when it
- 7:37comes to concerts, like when people like throwing items on
- 7:40stage at the person performing, whether it was for like clout,
- 7:44virality, a lack of concert etiquette, or even just a
- 7:47symptom of main character syndrome.
- 7:49But I think another part of the conversation to be had here is
- 7:52how the people participating in these events online feel
- 7:55entitled to comment on them as if they were there.
- 7:59And I feel like we saw this not only with the critiques on
- 8:02Justin Bieber set, but even with the commentary around Sabrina
- 8:05Carpenter that her set had pacing issues with the comments
- 8:08on the live screen as it was airing, complaining that she was
- 8:11boring. And I remember when I saw that I
- 8:13was like, this is truly crazy because online you can just like
- 8:16turn it off. Like if you find it boring, just
- 8:18turn it off. Obviously part of this is just
- 8:20opinions and commentary, but I also think there's this
- 8:24undercurrent of entitlement that's definitely informed by
- 8:27the rise of IRL streaming and decision making driven by
- 8:30audiences on stream. I remember having this
- 8:33conversation like back in, I want to say 2022 or 2023 when
- 8:37there was that rise of that NPC streamer Pinky doll.
- 8:41And she was literally just basically responding to live
- 8:44gifting and doing whatever people want.
- 8:46It's like people like to have a sense of ownership of the
- 8:49content that they're watching. And arguably what we could be
- 8:51seeing is that it doesn't really switch off when the context
- 8:55changes. Ultimately, I think it's
- 8:57interesting because we're almost seeing the festival exist in two
- 9:01forms now. There's like the in real life
- 9:03one, which is increasingly being catered to the digital world and
- 9:06also the one online that users expect and feel entitled to
- 9:10participate in. So we are really seeing the
- 9:12festival evolve and actually surprise, surprise, but I'm
- 9:16mentioning Ryan Broderick again, I literally mention him every
- 9:18week. But in the recent edition of the
- 9:20Garbage Day newsletter, he kind of touched on this a little bit,
- 9:23speaking about how Coachella has evolved and also how the digital
- 9:27world has kind of changed the festival and also the aesthetics
- 9:31of fame and performance. So I thought I would read to you
- 9:34what he wrote. Coachella is also clearly
- 9:36creaking with age. What started in 1999 as a Pearl
- 9:40Jam LED protest against Ticketmaster prices morphed into
- 9:43a bastion of millennial excess in the 20 tens, an identity less
- 9:47industry conference for poptimist iPod commercial Muzak.
- 9:51In 2018, Beyoncé was the first black woman to headline the
- 9:54festival, which should tell you all you need to know about it.
- 9:57And one could argue she broke it forever, turning a glorified
- 10:00Apple keynote into an arms race for massive pop acts that one to
- 10:04one up each other with an audacious headlining
- 10:06performance. But every signal we have for
- 10:09measuring culture is flashing red, screaming that this whole
- 10:12era is coming to an end. And I think this is a perfect
- 10:15segue into my next story for today, because there is another
- 10:18reason why Coachella is changing, and that's because the
- 10:21increasing number of AI influencer content related to
- 10:25the festival. I know we've spoken about AI
- 10:28generated influences before, but we haven't really ever covered
- 10:31it from the perspective of creators capitalizing on a viral
- 10:34event like Coachella. And I think that's especially
- 10:37significant because of the way regular people participate in
- 10:41this event through the digital world, as we just discussed,
- 10:43because consuming content by AI generated influences will of
- 10:48course change that experience entirely.
- 10:50So my tick tock algorithm is like really locked in on
- 10:54Coachella. So I'm getting Coachella content
- 10:56that has minimal views and likes from like people who have 500 or
- 11:01less followers. So this is actually the type of
- 11:04account that I first saw AI generated influences attending
- 11:08Coachella from. The first creator that I noted
- 11:10was an account with the name Chanel Muse.
- 11:14And in her TikTok she was standing in front of the
- 11:16Coachella Ferris wheel with a text over the screen reading
- 11:19quote here for Beaver Cello. So Chanel was very clearly AI
- 11:23generated. She hits almost every
- 11:25Eurocentric beauty standard. Very slim long blonde hair and
- 11:30also glowy skin. She even talks about her
- 11:33experience writing quote, He was so fantastic last night
- 11:36referring to Justin Bieber set Like Girl your AI.
- 11:40But in saying that, we have also heard of influencers allegedly
- 11:44faking their attendance at Coachella for years, so I guess
- 11:47this is actually nothing new. Lauren Gray actually made a
- 11:50video basically exposing everyone, I think it was in
- 11:532023. It was honestly very iconic of
- 11:56her. Anyway, at the time of
- 11:57researching, Chanel's account had 6 videos and just over 100
- 12:02followers and the accounts bio was quote welcome to my AI
- 12:05influencer era. The account has gone on to post
- 12:08other videos from Coachella, but what I noticed that I also found
- 12:12to be interesting was that on almost every single one of her
- 12:15posts, all the AI accounts were commenting on them.
- 12:18I saw two multiple times. 1 was an account that specializes in
- 12:23AI digital marketing, which promises to help quote faceless
- 12:27creators get seen, heard, and paid.
- 12:29Meanwhile, another account that I saw repeatedly was from
- 12:33another AI influencer doing a similar thing to Chanel, but
- 12:37arguably she was a little bit more sinister because her
- 12:39profile was linking out to a course which is meant to teach
- 12:43users about being an AI influencer.
- 12:45And this is something that we've seen before that I've covered
- 12:47before, specifically in relation to travel AI influences.
- 12:51But using Coachella, which is so, so buzzy to boost your
- 12:55platform that links out to a course, which is like definitely
- 12:59a scam, feels super ominous as well.
- 13:02Obviously, the accounts that I've just mentioned are quite
- 13:05niche and small, but there are bigger accounts that are also
- 13:08feigning their attendance. Just before I sat down to
- 13:11record, actually, I saw The Verge covered this phenomenon as
- 13:14well. Journalist Jess Weatherbed
- 13:16includes Granny Spills as an example, which is the quote
- 13:20Instagram account posting Coachella snaps with the
- 13:22Kardashian Jenners, an avatar made with Higgs Field AI.
- 13:26According to the creator's bio, that's amassed more than 2
- 13:29million followers. With all these different
- 13:32accounts and the AI to AI interactions, I'm reminded of a
- 13:36a piece that Aidan Walker wrote in an edition of his newsletter
- 13:40How to do things with Memes. And he spoke about what it means
- 13:44when this kind of AI generated content and slop replaces human
- 13:48to human interaction. He essentially argued that the
- 13:51decline of human generated content ensures the balance of
- 13:55power remains with the platform. As he wrote quote, slop helps
- 13:59control people. If through AI slop, they can
- 14:02crowd out actual human voices on platforms, not only will they be
- 14:05free from the obligation of paying creators, but they will
- 14:08control more of the conversation.
- 14:10And I think this analysis is pertinent to Coachella not
- 14:13necessarily because of the platform's power, but also for
- 14:16branding opportunities for companies and the festival
- 14:19itself. And to be clear here, I'm not
- 14:22saying that I think Coachella brand trips will be replacing
- 14:26human influences with AI generated counterparts anytime
- 14:29soon, but it could be a possibility down the line,
- 14:32especially considering how cost effective it could be and how
- 14:35we're already seeing AI high influences compete in the
- 14:38Influencer Olympics. This is a sentiment that Jess
- 14:41Weatherbed also shattered her piece for The Verge as she wrote
- 14:44quote, brands are already reportedly spending into the
- 14:47high 6 figures to send real human creators to Coachella.
- 14:51I imagine that investing in false realities may be far
- 14:53cheaper in every sense of the word.
- 14:55If brands are interested in splashing sponsorship deals
- 14:58across AI generated faces, they may not be bothered about such
- 15:01fakery being disclosed to their potential consumers.
- 15:04Perhaps those consumers won't notice or even care to bring it
- 15:07back to Aidan Walker's analysis, bringing these AI influences on
- 15:12brand trips to Coachella or wherever else the brand arguably
- 15:16has more control over the messaging.
- 15:18And with this, it's harder to keep brands accountable, and
- 15:21that is obviously being very important over the years,
- 15:24especially when calling for increased representation on
- 15:27these trips. I'm reminded of the, I want to
- 15:31say it was like 2018 Coachella trip with all the dote girls,
- 15:36which ended up being super controversial with the brand
- 15:39kind of being called out for being discriminatory.
- 15:42But also if the digital world ever gets to a point where AI
- 15:46creators ascent on these trips, these conversations are probably
- 15:49not going to be had. And they're super important for
- 15:52the brand, but also social media users.
- 15:54I am definitely curious to hear what you guys think.
- 15:57I mean, at this stage, I think AI influencers are definitely
- 15:59less engaging when comes to Coachella content.
- 16:03But down the line, potentially that could change, especially as
- 16:07this content becomes increasingly normalized and like
- 16:10certain AI avatars develop personalities, and especially
- 16:13because the experience of Coachella has become more
- 16:17entwined with the digital world and the creator economy.
- 16:19Let's move on to the next story, and I promise you, I am done
- 16:22for. Coachella adjacent commentary
- 16:25for today. This story, I'm sure you guys
- 16:27have already heard about it, but I wanted to break down
- 16:29everything that's going on with Sam Altman.
- 16:32Considering how widely covered this has been, I'm not going to
- 16:35go into it in too much detail, but I want to give you guys, of
- 16:37course, the key points. So Sam Altman has found himself
- 16:40both in controversy and physical danger after The New Yorker
- 16:44published a lengthy expose on the Open AICEO.
- 16:48The piece was written by Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marazz and was
- 16:51published on April 6th. In a short form video that I saw
- 16:56published to Ronan Farrow's Instagram, he revealed that he'd
- 16:59been researching Sam Altman for 18 months and had obtained
- 17:02hundreds of pages of previously undisclosed documents in the
- 17:06process. He also interviewed over 100
- 17:08people about Sam Altman and of course that included Sam Altman
- 17:13himself itself. The piece I will say is quite
- 17:15long but it's definitely important and I'll link it below
- 17:17if you want to read it. With that being said, there's no
- 17:19way I'll be able to cover every single point that's being made.
- 17:22But I thought how Georgia from the please don't make me focus
- 17:26sub stack put it was very succinct and accurate.
- 17:29She wrote quote. The overall framing is that
- 17:31Altman is someone willing to push things as far as possible
- 17:34and do whatever it takes to stay dominant within open AI and the
- 17:37broader AI industry. And with someone allegedly like
- 17:40this at the helm, it definitely raises questions around the
- 17:44governance of one of technology's most valuable
- 17:48companies, especially as they are preparing for an IPO valued
- 17:52at approximately 1 trillion USD. So throughout the piece, there
- 17:55are many different examples and instances that kind of speak to
- 18:00Sam Altman's alleged character. For instance, internal memos
- 18:03allege that Sam Altman tends to lie and mislead people, even
- 18:07members of the Open AI board and its executives, particularly
- 18:11when it comes to measures around safety and decision making.
- 18:15According to the sources that the journalist spoke to, these
- 18:19untrustworthy tendencies do seem to exist throughout his career,
- 18:23but perhaps most significantly, they were actually part of the
- 18:25reason he was briefly fired from Open AI in 2023 when the board
- 18:29moved to fire him. Employees, investors, and even
- 18:32Microsoft who had invested $13 billion into Open AI were
- 18:36shocked and eventually pushed back on the decision.
- 18:39And that led to Sam Altman being reinstated 5 days later, where
- 18:43members of the board who had kind of pushed him out ended up
- 18:46having to resign. And this sequence of events I
- 18:49think does lead into one of the most damning descriptions of Sam
- 18:53moment in the article that he is quote unconstrained by truth,
- 18:57making him very persuasive. According to a quote from a
- 19:01board member quote, Sam Altman has two traits that are almost
- 19:05never seen in the same person. The 1st is a strong desire to
- 19:08please people to be liked in any given interaction.
- 19:11The second is almost a sociopathic lack of concern for
- 19:15this consequences that may come from deceiving someone that is
- 19:18diabolical. And also throughout the piece,
- 19:20they mentioned that multiple people who Sam Altman has
- 19:24interacted with throughout his career has described him as
- 19:28sociopathic. So yeah, do with that what you
- 19:31will. I would say the peace at the end
- 19:33of the day really positioned him as a salesman slash businessman
- 19:37above all. And because of this, open AI has
- 19:39kind of shifted away from its ethics driven mission to ensure
- 19:43that AI technology is developed in safe hands.
- 19:46Instead today the main pursuit seems to be growth and revenue.
- 19:50And one of the examples that the article gives us that Open AI
- 19:53has closed various safety focused teams over the years.
- 19:56But yeah, definitely read the piece of you have time, but I
- 19:59feel like those are some of the key points.
- 20:01So I also wanted to touch on the response to this piece because
- 20:04it has also been quite intense. Following the release of the
- 20:08investigation, a man was arrested for throwing a Molotov
- 20:11cocktail at 1 of Altman's homes. No one was hurt during this
- 20:15incident, but since then his home has been targeted in a
- 20:18second attack, with two suspects arrested for discharging a gun
- 20:22outside. After the first incident, Sam
- 20:24Altman did issue a response in a blog post sharing some
- 20:29reflections on the industry opening eye and also his beliefs
- 20:33and goals. It began with a picture of his
- 20:35family before or writing quote. Images have power, I hope.
- 20:39Normally we try to be pretty private, but in this case I'm
- 20:42sharing a photo in the hopes that it might dissuade the next
- 20:44person from throwing a Molotov cocktail at our house.
- 20:47No matter what they think about me, words have power too.
- 20:51There was an incendiary article about me a few days ago.
- 20:54Someone said to me yesterday that they thought it was coming
- 20:56at a time of great anxiety about AI and that it made things more
- 20:59dangerous for me. I brushed it aside.
- 21:02In a similar vein, I have seen various headlines talking about
- 21:06how these attacks indicate an intensity when it comes to the
- 21:09anti AI movement and sentiment where it's moving from kind of
- 21:13non violence to violence. And it shows obviously that
- 21:17these tech companies need to do better for its users, especially
- 21:20as AI becomes integral to the economy.
- 21:23But when Lauren and I were chatting about the response to
- 21:25this story, we ended up questioning why the specific
- 21:28investigation has made such waves.
- 21:31Part of it, of course, has to do with the quality of reporting
- 21:33and also the promotion of it. But Lauren made the interesting
- 21:36point that of course this reporting was way more detailed
- 21:39than anything we'd seen up until then.
- 21:41But there has kind of been whispers of this kind of
- 21:44sentiment towards Sam Altman for a while.
- 21:47I feel like especially during the Elon Musk, Sam Altman back
- 21:52and forth, the rivalry that we saw last year.
- 21:54So what's interesting here is that arguably the overall
- 21:57sentiment of the story isn't necessarily groundbreaking.
- 22:00I think it's safe to say that many social media users are kind
- 22:02of wary of Sam Altman before this.
- 22:05But what is significant is the resources and time that was
- 22:08dedicated to, with this story showing just how important this
- 22:12kind of investigative journalism is.
- 22:14It's also becoming increasingly difficult to do successfully
- 22:17because of the financial toll that it can take on a media
- 22:20company. I also think it has something to
- 22:22do with the bad PR run Open AI is on at the moment.
- 22:25We spoke about this last week when I covered the purchase of
- 22:27TVPN, so I'm not going to rehash it, but there is definitely a
- 22:32growing anti in AI sentiment where people are moving to other
- 22:37AI platforms or quitting AI platforms as a whole.
- 22:41So I think a piece like this fits into the zeitgeist.
- 22:44Well, that brings us to the end of Minitech Scroll for today.
- 22:48I really hope you guys enjoyed even though two out of three
- 22:51stories were related to Coachella, but it had to be
- 22:54done. It is the Influencer Olympics
- 22:55after all. Lauren will be back tomorrow for
- 22:57an episode of Mini Scroll and I will speak to you next week.
- 23:01Thanks for listening. Bye.
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