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TEXANS 38, COLTS 30: Reaction with Will Retherford, Sam Frick & Michelle Garmon (2.132.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You are listening to a special edition of the Colts Report with Will Rutherford Sam Frick and Michelle Garmin, their reaction to the Colts 3830 season ending loss to the Houston Texans.
• 0:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: We will be back on Thursday with our weekly Colts Report, and it's only on the Central Indian Sports Report.
• 0:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, welcome back Colts fans to the Central Indiana Sports Report for a special edition of the Colts Report.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will Rutherford Sam Fricks and Michelle Garmin's reaction to the Colts 3830 loss in the final game of the regular season.
• 0:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: I want to ask this question to Will because he and I have been saying this all along.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Will, what the Colts have been better off with Riley Leonard.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's low hanging fruit probably to say that they would consider us as well.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't really the issue before being completely honest.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that maybe they're more competitive.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: They'll make the playoffs.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think either way.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Quite frankly, we've had this defense as performed the last four weeks.
• 1:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just one good enough.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be better defensive play really from all three groups.
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got lackluster performances a weekend, week out.
• 1:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: See how they played pretty well.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I just am left feeling like it wouldn't have mattered.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Had they done it, I think, honestly, the PR for the cult is probably better than anything.
• 1:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, look, look, look how the colds have been playing last few weeks.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked all season out.
• 1:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: What was the biggest weakness of the colds on that side of the football?
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Our defensive front all season one.
• 1:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Guess what happened?
• 1:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Defensive front was an issue once again.
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Riley Leonard, look, hey, I mean, I don't know if we can give a fair assessment of Riley Leonard today, considering the Houston kind of bench some guys.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I thought all things considered Riley Leonard playing a pretty solid performance.
• 2:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he threw for over two hundred yards.
• 2:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: in the in the game today.
• 2:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I thought he played very well and showed some good promise.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the very least, Riley Leonard, I think is played well enough.
• 2:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Even if he go back to Jacksonville played well enough to say, he should still stick around the backup quarterback next year.
• 2:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's at least serviceable on that bar.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's a very mature quarterback.
• 2:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like at the very least, he's going to feel his responsibility as well.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think he's almost athletic quarterback at the universe.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want him to be my starting quarterback on an ideal situation, but at the very least, like, he did show some problems and hey, Alec Pierce today played very well up until he got kicked out for touching the revs somehow.
• 2:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I heard I saw a tweet from Mr. Holder from ESPN saying that he never dropped the pass.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: drop the catch this season for the debut episodes.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: And that's a thousand was a thousand yard receiving season for him for outpiers.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that's a pretty good, pretty good, not stat lying here for him in terms of being part of the long-term investment of the debut in the episodes.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I would say we, we look at the game itself two things really distanced him, which was Riley Leonard and then outpiers.
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: But beyond that point, the rest was just nothing for me.
• 3:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say this about Riley Leonard.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We forget that he came in and he self-recorded a knee issue.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: that's when they what's when then they went and got fill up rivers.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: My guess is the cult needed new that they probably needed to rest him at least a couple of weeks which would be, you know, or and I think because here's the thing, they already saw them lose their number one quarter back, clank through an injury to another season and it sees an ending injury.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: If that knee, he takes a sack or something and he enters that knee more severely, it becomes season ending.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then the Indianapolis Colts are basically heading to the off season with two quarterbacks.
• 4:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: You probably might not be ready until
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: training camp and could be limited because of rehab and surgery.
• 4:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think part of the rivers thing, I think part of it was to protect Leonard.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really do and people keep forgetting that, but he's the one that came out and he's the one that said he's mentioned the knee issue before the cult went looking for another, you know, looking for a veteran quarterback, otherwise they might have brought in, you know, somebody else.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Other than that,
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: again that deep fence at front seven is disappointing.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's given that Daniel Jones is all right, they're already going to resign him and bring him back.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, but to me, their next priority is got to be Alex, Alex, because he truly has developed into a wide receiver one.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he is a deep threat.
• 5:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: He leads the NFL and average yards per catch this year.
• 5:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know,
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was, you know, he gets ejected, and again, I mean, he bumped the official flag.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get that.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was surprised he got tossed.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: And what I did was that took away their deep threat.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It really did.
• 5:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was the only one that torched Houston secondary deep today.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so that played into effect, but come on.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Colts, you're playing a team that's benching and sitting starters
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: you have leads and you can't hold on.
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, it's the cults, it's disappointed.
• 5:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's what, it's what's to be expected in the Chris ballerner in some ways in the Chris ballerner.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if the cults decide to run this back with baller and stike in and everything,
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they take a step backwards next year.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think, you know, you can be happy with the eight nine start out eight two, but I think they will.
• 6:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I could actually take a step backwards if there aren't changes at the top.
• 6:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll be surprised if tomorrow isn't their life they will.
• 6:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're both back.
• 6:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we would have that there's been way too much conversation that they're back then then they're fired.
• 6:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's they're going to be back next year.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not
• 6:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've always said, I think Steichen of the two of them would be the one I would feel more inclined to keep.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think some awful had coach.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he schematically, the offense moved the ball really well today.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just, they couldn't have stopped or runny nose on a cold winter day.
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that was really more of the issue today was their defense just didn't show up.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even after Houston had basically said work comfortable losing this game.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: where, you know, the conversation with the, the Earth's start in terms of their expectation with them coming back.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I would imagine that Monday tomorrow we're going to hear that Shane Stike and then Chris Ballard have been retained as head coach and general manager and they're going to try to go build this thing together.
• 7:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of thought that when they
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: probably we're going to get him a pretty long leash to be honest.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think ownership typically is going to let a general manager go and spend two first round picks in the second year wide receiver that has showed in some promise unless you are committed to him remaining your general manager.
• 7:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and I have to I want to mention this too.
• 7:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: History has told us teams that have that loan eight seven one or eight or two record most of the time general managers don't get fired up to that season.
• 8:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's ever happened before.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: So if that is true, then history is tending to repeat itself in NFL history.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's only happened one time for a coach, never happened for a general manager.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it wouldn't be too surprising if we go and buy the trends.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And typically with the Earth's, they typically are pretty loyal with the people that they have around the organization.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Although I will say this well, in all the respects to what you're saying and what's being pulled around the league,
• 8:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Chris Powers should not be back if it was me because he's been there for so long.
• 8:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not just because of this season, but from all the years before that, and this kind of the same old results every single year.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: So now.
• 8:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of bad moves as part of that.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sam.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You talked about general most of them not get it.
• 8:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: They being brought back.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But no, but at what none of them had the longevity, the baller just in this, so he's unique.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's not like the other.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the number and data that you are referencing with the Tedco just getting fired, I kind of like what I get with the point, I think it's circumstance are all different.
• 9:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: When the bears were eight and two, they still finish the season 10 and six.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they just happened to have missed out on a year.
• 9:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was before the three team wild card in six didn't always get you in.
• 9:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And while I think that the history suggests that you retain your head coach, I think that in eight and nine collapse.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: after starting eight and two is is good enough to get fired.
• 9:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not on the board of keeping for a spell.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Chris Ballard should have been fired last year.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you should be fired this year.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying I don't think it's going to happen because there's been no conversation about it at all that he's going to get fired.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: The only conversation you're hearing is that he is going to be retained.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think in less
• 10:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's just a huge surprise tomorrow in some way, shape, or form.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I expect him to be back.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sam, I think you kind of referenced that you saw Riley Leonard play well today.
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Steiken is a bit of a reason for that.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this, their scheme was good.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I get the second half was mainly against.
• 10:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Houston's second team, but Riley Leonard looked pretty capable for 17 points on the first team.
• 10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they played plenty well enough to justify both Leonard being your backup quarterback and the scheme of Stike and Works.
• 10:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just the head coach of Shane Stike and Work.
• 10:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the way that I feel like this NFL cycle is right.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now I think they're giving a lot of leeway to these offensive gurus per se
• 10:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you think that you have a really smart offense of play collar, I think it's very difficult for teams to get rid of them.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the reason I think the Browns are a little silly for step, you're Kevin Stephansky.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he's necessarily been a huge part of the problem.
• 11:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're rosters horrible.
• 11:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's on the level of Shane Stike.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that offensive head coach is going to leeway in the league right now that defensive head coaches or special team head coaches don't get.
• 11:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, I totally agree with you.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and it's just like I said, I think Shane Stike, and I think it held the two, I think, deserves a better chance because of the injuries that, and you were right about the concepts in terms of the, in terms of the stats, I just indicate because unlike the other GMs that you met, that I mentioned here, those GMs have been only around, we're only around for four or five seasons.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Chris Bower has been there for double that.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we have seen the name results over and over and over and over again, not draft the well in certain areas, not getting a dress on defense well enough, not dressing the quarterback well enough.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those are things that have been, have been issues.
• 12:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Ever since Andrew look has prematurely retired.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: back in 2019, right?
• 12:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so we've had these issues now for going on six years now.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we're thinking, so why are we still in this same predicament every single year, even though we seem to begin to why receiver figure out, when we seem to have an offensive line figured out, it seems our defense of back deal seems to be okay, finally, but now we can't get our defense of front figure out and we can't get it quarterback.
• 12:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's up with that?
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's to me, where the question to be lying going the off season.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I think when you're the earth state, you gotta be thinking so at one point does enough is enough.
• 12:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's all I'm saying right now because next year, if you bring back stiking and power of this fan base, it's not going to be excited about it.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now you might be more excited about stiking, but there'll be way less excited about bowering back.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think enough of it is enough already.
• 12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree with Greg.
• 12:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I quite frankly, I think both of them.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are plenty of coaches that have won games with inferior towns of this culture.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just wholeheartedly believe that there are coaches that have made more work with less and I just, I think it's really a hard sell for the fan base, especially season ticket holders who are seeing their ticket prices spike up, 20, 30% and it's like,
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: where's our money going?
• 13:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because you're not putting a product on the field that we want to go watch week in a week out.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think when that conversation gets infiltrated into the fan base into the community, it can be really difficult to change the culture surrounding your organization and your team.
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the culture and organization on a sharp decline in a division where I think
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be difficult to sell the fan base on the retention of both general manager and head coach.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's not like the Earth's who are dumb people by any stretch imagination.
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: Their business people, they understand where they think the money is supposed to be coming from.
• 13:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: So they know that the fan base has to be in a sense of apathy and if you would.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think you have to look at yourself like this.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: Where do you, I mean, the, the front office has to figure out what the all season priorities are going to have to be.
• 14:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Number one, do they believe Daniel Jones is the guy, whether if he is the a true top 10 quarterback or not, do they think Daniel Jones gives him the best chances seed, if not, then they need to look elsewhere.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Number two, who do they prioritize whilst in the offense beyond the quarterback?
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Do they think out appears to the true number one, why receiver or is a micro pitman?
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that's our whole another discussion right there is the micro pitman
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: What do you do, Jonathan Taylor, too?
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Because we know Jay T's been honest about his comments about the way this season's gone since the collapse.
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: How do you handle the job of the Taylor situation?
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: How do you rebuild the defense of fronts?
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right?
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: How do you men's the situation of not having that first trumpet in the cabinet?
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Cap crunch if you would.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of questions that the Indianapolis Colts front office has to address this
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's just a lot of cold fans.
• 15:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: They just don't have a lot of confidence right now.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: That Chris Bower is going to get this fits in less than 12 months.
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you roll out with the triumphant of ballads, stich and and Jones next year, you're telling us you don't care if you win.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
• 15:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, at least two of at least two of the three.
• 15:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Really, truly, at least two of the three that the general manager and coach, although if you bring back Jones, you might be thinking, stake in, and I'm not, I think that ballards the biggest one is probably the most worried about job security, you know, if you're most times you get rid of both because you want your general manager to get coachy once.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: and he can work with.
• 15:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's a lot of the reasons you do, but if, and we don't know because I will say, I think that Carly Ursa and the Ursa sisters have been great about keeping things a lot closer to the best in their comments as opposed to their father.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe they've had preliminary conversations with some people and thinking, make a general manager change, would you be open to maybe,
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: be thinking what he did this year and the way Jones was playing before he got injured and then in the way Leonard played here lately and he even really think about even the way River's played 44 years old and hadn't played in five years.
• 16:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't a dud and part of that was yes he
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: to not put him in a situation where he could really get hurt and had to do too much.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I get that, but I agree.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I say, people aren't going to want to spend their money, and you guys can all laugh.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But with what coach Signetti is doing down there at IU, and the fan base, if you're an IU person, but like season tickets,
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: to either I, you footballer, the Coltson, you have to make a choice next year and want to travel after all these ball games.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm choosing the Hoosiers.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not choosing the Colts.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a great point.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: The Colts have never had a degree with I, you football.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And now they're going to have to do that a little bit at least.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm a pretty thin.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would be saying the same things Michelle.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: He used playing the best football they've ever had.
• 17:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't blame you.
• 17:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have this conversation again eventually in the off season because I mean, by that point, we're going to know exactly what the coals are going to be looking like in the off season.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: We'll know the job security of Bauer and Stike in and then from that point, we'll have to figure out what the off season or look like.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm sure Greg will mean Michelle, we're going to have our laundry list of what the coals need to do in the draft and the off season.
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's going to be a long off season ahead.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: And well, I guess for the set's consecutive season,
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're going to be trying again, see if we can try to do the same thing, but different results, I guess.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I guess we'll see what happens.
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows?
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we'll be like Carolina Panthers.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: We throw everything that's a literature seen, and we somehow make the playoffs from a tiebreaker.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Who knows?
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go cold, I guess.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: That reminds me if there is, and he kind of breaking news over the next couple of days, we might have an earlier cultured board than usual.
• 18:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just wanted to let people know that.
• 18:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Guys, thank you so much for your time.
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: I always appreciate it, and we'll keep talking even though it's the off season, but I appreciate all your time during this.
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: What turned out to be kind of an excruciating season?
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much to Will Sam and Michelle, and thank you for listening.
• 18:43
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