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#1679 A Tribute To Dr. Gladys - Dr. Gladys McGarey · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Harps, it's Tiff, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: super excited to introduce you to Dr Gladys. We spoke
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  Speaker 1: about her last week. This is exciting for me and
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  Speaker 1: I can tell you in over twelve hundred episodes of
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  Speaker 1: The You Project, I don't think I've ever been more
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  Speaker 1: excited about a guest. So, without further ado, Dtor Gladys,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Youth Project.
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  Speaker 2: Oh what a thing to hear at my age.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, like I heard about you, and
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  Speaker 1: then I read about you, and then I listened to
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  Speaker 1: you on podcast, and I watched you on YouTube, and
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  Speaker 1: I went, I want to be I've got a new hero.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be like you when I grow up.
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  Speaker 1: When I grow up, I want to be like you.
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  Speaker 1: How do you How do you enjoy or should I
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  Speaker 1: say tolerate all the interviews that you now do, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you've always been well known and you've always
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  Speaker 1: been well respected. But do you enjoy chatting to people
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  Speaker 1: about your journey or is it just a task that
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  Speaker 1: you have to tick a box on?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's so exciting. I can really hardly. I can't
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  Speaker 2: put my mind around it. The idea that I could
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  Speaker 2: imagine such a thing when I was actively in practice
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  Speaker 2: and then raising the kids and then all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's beyond my imagination. So yeah, it's exciting,
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  Speaker 2: it's wonderful, and everybody's different, and the questions are all
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  Speaker 2: a lot of them very law the same, but they're
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  Speaker 2: not the same because they're different people and they're asked differently,
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  Speaker 2: and so somehow I find myself answering them the same
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  Speaker 2: but not the same.
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  Speaker 1: You know, could you imagine? So what are we now?
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  Speaker 1: Twenty three? So you were you born in nineteen twenty
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  Speaker 1: uh huh imagine? Could you imagine when you were twenty
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  Speaker 1: years old in nineteen forty and I said to you,
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  Speaker 1: gladys in you know, eighty three years or eighty two years,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be You're going to be talking to
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  Speaker 1: this weird man on the other side of the world.
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  Speaker 1: He's going to be in Australia, You're going to be
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  Speaker 1: in the US, and you're going to be able to
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  Speaker 1: see him and talk to him in real time with
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  Speaker 1: no delay. You would have thought it was one impossible
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  Speaker 1: or two magic.
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  Speaker 3: I would have hung up on you. I could not
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  Speaker 3: have believed it.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not like I can't imagine what one hundred years
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  Speaker 2: from now is going to be, like, I mean, trying.
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  Speaker 3: To think that, I know how you know. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 2: In school, had no telephone, you know, and in order
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  Speaker 2: for my parents to let my grandparents in the States
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  Speaker 2: know that I had been born, they had to send
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  Speaker 2: a telegram wow, which meant actually the whole thing wire
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  Speaker 2: had to go through the Atlantic Ocean. At the I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there was nothing, no and it took and it took
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  Speaker 2: a letter a month to get from our house to
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  Speaker 2: the grandparents house.
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  Speaker 1: So I know, it's just it's I feel like in
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  Speaker 1: the last year, the last year, the last century, that
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  Speaker 1: technology has expanded more than in the previous you know,
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  Speaker 1: ten millennia. Do you how are you with technology? Are
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  Speaker 1: you I see that you handed your iPhone to your
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  Speaker 1: son before we got underway. Are you comfortable using your iPhone?
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  Speaker 1: You technology? My mom's own only, I say, eighty three
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  Speaker 1: my mom, and she hates it, but I think it's
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  Speaker 1: because she's scared of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I use it. The thing I
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  Speaker 2: use it the most for is getting calls. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I answered, well, actually, John answers, then I answered, and
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  Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff. But the big thing
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  Speaker 2: is it records my steps. I tried to put one
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  Speaker 2: three thousand, eight hundred steps with my walker around the house.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going any place. I'm here, but the things
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine, the things I can do, and the life.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: I can listen to audio books and because I can't
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  Speaker 2: see very well, but there's nothing wrong with my vision.
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  Speaker 3: So it's.
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  Speaker 2: My mother a statement she used to say, well just
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  Speaker 2: make do you know, when you find yourself in a
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  Speaker 2: place where you can do, you don't know what you're
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  Speaker 2: going to do, you just make do?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you so? For my audience, who are
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  Speaker 1: meeting you for the first time, we have listeners in
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  Speaker 1: ninety countries, but the majority of our listeners are Australia
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  Speaker 1: and New Zealand, could you tell us a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about your childhood and where you grew I know because
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  Speaker 1: I've been researching you, but yeah, a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a snapshot of your background and your story so we
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  Speaker 1: can get some context.
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  Speaker 2: I would love to. I was born in India. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: my mother went into labor with me at the taj Maho.
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  Speaker 2: I think she's kind of a little drama queen. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I was born in Indian nineteen twenty November thirty and
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  Speaker 2: I and you know, life went on. I thought life
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  Speaker 2: was the best thing in the world when I was young,
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  Speaker 2: before I went to school, because my parents were both
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  Speaker 2: osteopathic physicians and had gone out to India's medical missionaries.
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  Speaker 2: So we lived in tents out in the jungle and
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  Speaker 2: it was wonderful. You know.
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  Speaker 3: We could run around and play.
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  Speaker 2: We had had perimeters as to how far we could
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  Speaker 2: go into the jungle as kids, but we could go
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  Speaker 2: into the villages and I could play with the village kids.
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  Speaker 2: And I spoke Hindustani before I spoke English, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: I knew what was going on. And I had three
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  Speaker 2: brothers and one sister, and my brother Carl was my
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  Speaker 2: big tease and he teased me. You know, life was
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  Speaker 2: just beautiful until I started school. Up until then, I
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  Speaker 2: loved what my parents were doing. I had told them
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  Speaker 2: when I was two that I was a doctor. And
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  Speaker 2: my sister wouldn't let me play with her dolls because
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  Speaker 2: my dolls got sick and hers didn't, and and so forth.
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  Speaker 3: You know, life was real.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell me about you said it? Life was
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  Speaker 1: good until school. What happened at school?
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  Speaker 2: When I started school, I couldn't read. I was so dyslexic.
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  Speaker 2: Each each number and anything, the elf, the everything just
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  Speaker 2: floated around in the page. I absolutely couldn't read. And
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  Speaker 2: I knew the alphabet, and I knew the numbers and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but to put them down or to try and look
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  Speaker 2: at them. So and the teacher decided I was the
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  Speaker 2: stupid in the class. So I was the class dummy
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  Speaker 2: and treated as such. So the other kids teased me
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  Speaker 2: and and so on, and I didn't like that, so
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  Speaker 2: I'd punch him out and get into fights with them.
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  Speaker 2: And my brother Carl taught me how to fight, and
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  Speaker 2: in fact, you know, and so all of that would
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  Speaker 2: go on until after I after school, I would go
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  Speaker 2: We were living in the Himalias at that time. The
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  Speaker 2: school was way up seven five hundred feet in the Himalias,
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  Speaker 2: and so but I had to go from the school
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  Speaker 2: up to our home, which is a thousand feet higher.
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  Speaker 2: So it was a long trip, but it was a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful trout up the road, up the little path to
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  Speaker 2: the because I was getting away from what I where
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  Speaker 2: I was dummy, up to where I was loved and cherished.
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  Speaker 2: At the top of the hill my Ayah, who was
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  Speaker 2: like a second mother for us, ignorant nun, I couldn't read,
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  Speaker 2: couldn't write, had few teeth, and all amazing woman, the
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  Speaker 2: epitome of love for me. And she would see me
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  Speaker 2: coming up the hill and she'd say, hithera, and she'd
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  Speaker 2: hold out her childther her scarf and I would run
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  Speaker 2: over and cumble myself under her arm and stay there
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  Speaker 2: until my life came back into focus and then I
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  Speaker 2: could go on with what was going on in our family.
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  Speaker 2: But it was like I lived two separate lives during
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  Speaker 2: that time, and it went on for two years because
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  Speaker 2: I fluedged first grade and had to do it again.
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  Speaker 1: Did I talk to Gladys? Did I even have a
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  Speaker 1: name for dyslexia? Then? Did I have any like? Was
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  Speaker 1: there any awareness around on it?
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  Speaker 3: None? None? But a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: Just to connect this is that when we started the
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  Speaker 2: American Holistic Medical Association in the mid seventies, there was
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  Speaker 2: ten of us sitting doctor's physicians sitting around a table
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  Speaker 2: and we got to talking, and as we were talking,
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  Speaker 2: six of us said that we were dyslexic. Wow, And
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  Speaker 2: so we looked at each other and we said, well,
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  Speaker 2: that's why we had to find an alter and way
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  Speaker 2: of thinking about medicine, because we think of things in
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  Speaker 2: alternative play. I don't know how I learned to read write.
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  Speaker 2: I really don't, and they didn't either. We couldn't explain
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  Speaker 2: to each other what it was, and we knew the
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  Speaker 2: word by then, but that was.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 1: Have a theory that dyslexics, dyslexi people are often highly intelligent.
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  Speaker 1: I've met so many creative, productive, successful people who are dyslexic,
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  Speaker 1: and it feels like they've got to create their own
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  Speaker 1: map of the world with some components of living. And
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  Speaker 1: because you've got to solve problems in a way that
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  Speaker 1: people who can read don't. Have you found that I
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  Speaker 1: had to.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here if I hadn't found that way
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  Speaker 2: of doing it. Yeah, yeah, And so you know there
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  Speaker 2: is to me as they were to my sister who
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  Speaker 2: could read and write.
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  Speaker 1: And when did you learn the name for what you
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  Speaker 1: were battling with? Like did you did you ever get
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  Speaker 1: diagnosed when you were young or did you find that
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  Speaker 1: out when you were a doctor?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it was after I was in I think
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  Speaker 2: I had my MD degree because I'd already and through
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  Speaker 2: medical school and that was that was a challenge. But no,
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  Speaker 2: it was later. It was in the oh, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I had met other people like me,
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  Speaker 2: so that was comfortable, more comfortable.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if neviguiding, you know, prep or grade one
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  Speaker 1: was difficult with dyslexia, how difficult was never guiding medicine?
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  Speaker 1: Medical degree? Medical school?
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  Speaker 2: Well, pretty difficult because what we were taught in medical
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  Speaker 2: school was all about killing, killing disease and killing pain
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  Speaker 2: because it was the middle of the war and that
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  Speaker 2: that's all that anybody thought about, and that I knew
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  Speaker 2: we probably had to do that. I knew I had
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  Speaker 2: to learn that. I knew how to you know, those things.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not what I was looking for in medicine
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  Speaker 2: because I'd watched my parents work with parents with patients
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  Speaker 2: with no no. Yeah, I have a watch here that says,
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  Speaker 2: I fell.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad it's wrong, it.
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  Speaker 3: Is, it's going to go back anyway. It was.
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  Speaker 2: The whole process of medical school was difficult for me.
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  Speaker 2: But I could understand, you know, I could hear what
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  Speaker 2: was saying. I could I had gotten to the point
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  Speaker 2: actually where I could read. It was difficult, but I
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  Speaker 2: could do the things, and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: But the big thing that bothered me in medical school
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  Speaker 2: was what what we thought we were disposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 2: And I really did not believe that I was there
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  Speaker 2: to kill anything. But I knew that I was there
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  Speaker 2: to help people live because that's what my parents did
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  Speaker 2: and that's what I thought medicine had to do. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I was different enough that the dean of the school
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  Speaker 2: sent me to the psychiatrist twice because she was sure
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  Speaker 2: that I didn't belong And anyway, the psychiaty thought I
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  Speaker 2: was okay, you know.
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  Speaker 1: What God did. What did the dean of the school
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  Speaker 1: think was wrong? In inverted commas? Wrong with you?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't understand that. You. Yeah, That's what I
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  Speaker 2: had to know about was killing diseases and killing pain.
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  Speaker 2: And to me, I didn't like the idea of killing
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  Speaker 2: diseases or killing pain because I thought people have pain,
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  Speaker 2: and they have diseases, and I know people that live
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  Speaker 2: with them, and I don't want to kill those people
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  Speaker 2: who have those diseases. It was just it was to me,
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  Speaker 2: the focus was wrong because that's not why I was
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  Speaker 2: going into medicine, and I knew it.
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  Speaker 1: And did that kind of that belief of yours and
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  Speaker 1: that perspective. Is that what opened the door into holistic
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  Speaker 1: medicine for you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, because I married a man who actually accepted the
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  Speaker 2: same and he would he was planning to be a minister,
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  Speaker 2: but after he met me, he became a physician, and
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  Speaker 2: so we were in practice together so we could do
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  Speaker 2: what we felt we needed to do. And so when
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  Speaker 2: we began to think of different ways and so on,
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  Speaker 2: and Bill loved to write, so he began writing a
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  Speaker 2: newsletter called Pathways to Health, and this newslet or went
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  Speaker 2: around to different please place.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing things began to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, And of course you started the American Holistic
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  Speaker 1: Medicine Association. And how did you start that, what was
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  Speaker 1: the thinking behind that, and how was that received when
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  Speaker 1: you first began.
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  Speaker 3: I won't repeat the names. We were called.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, actually we were again it was my first grade
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  Speaker 2: experience because yeah, because we were talking about things that
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  Speaker 2: were different from what other people were talking about. And
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  Speaker 2: even to the point where when this one must have
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  Speaker 2: been in the mid seventies, we got an letter from
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  Speaker 2: one of the men who had received the newsletter that
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  Speaker 2: I mentioned. He was a mailman in Maine and he
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  Speaker 2: had three months earlier he'd injured his ankle and nobody
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  Speaker 2: could figure out what was wrong, and he'd gone to
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  Speaker 2: doctors and so on. But he received our newsletter and
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  Speaker 2: we'd be talking about using a cast or a pack
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  Speaker 2: on your neck if you had a source road. He
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  Speaker 2: had a source throad. He put a casse pack on
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  Speaker 2: his neck and his ankle cleared up, and he said
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  Speaker 2: to us, if you know why that happened, I'd sure
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  Speaker 2: like to know. And we looked at each other and
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  Speaker 2: we said, we don't have a clue. So the next
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  Speaker 2: newsletter that went out Bill told that whole story, and
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  Speaker 2: we got an answer from a doctor in Italy who
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  Speaker 2: was saying, if you guys knew anything about acupuncture, you
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  Speaker 2: would understand that this meridian that starts at it ankle
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  Speaker 2: of the angle of the eye goes over the head,
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  Speaker 2: down the neck all the way down to the toe.
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  Speaker 2: When the objection or the object was, or whatever it was,
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  Speaker 2: the obstruction, I'm part of the work.
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  Speaker 3: When the obstruction was.
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  Speaker 2: Relieved in the neck, it was the ankle and so
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  Speaker 2: we be again writing to people all around the world.
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  Speaker 2: And nineteen seventy three we had the first acupuncture symposium
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  Speaker 2: in the States because actually it was interesting because Nixon
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  Speaker 2: had just gone to China and seen an appendectomin done
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  Speaker 2: out with acupulcture the upper time, and we had a
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  Speaker 2: bit in Stanford University. We had a two hundred eighty
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  Speaker 2: physicians who came, and the whole process of understanding about acupucture,
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  Speaker 2: yeah emerged. You know, it's it's life has been so fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. It's kind of like the doctor Gladys
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  Speaker 1: the intersection of you know, Western science and medicine and
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  Speaker 1: Eastern science. You know, when we're bringing acupuncture into that space,
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  Speaker 1: was it Obviously if you had two hundred and eighty
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  Speaker 1: physicians come along, they were interested.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were.
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  Speaker 2: They were members of our American holistic medical associations.
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  Speaker 1: Right right right, and more broadly, there was so the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the medical community not such a big fan.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it was very difficult to get your In fact,
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  Speaker 2: in Arizona we created our own licensing process because you know,
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  Speaker 2: the rest of the community didn't accept it, but they
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  Speaker 2: you know, ultimately, of course it took us two years
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  Speaker 2: to figure out how to spell holistic because the word
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  Speaker 2: we were looking for, the root word, was health, healing,
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  Speaker 2: and holy. In other words, the problem we saw was
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  Speaker 2: that was left out of medicine was the you know,
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  Speaker 2: we had knew about the body and you knew about
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  Speaker 2: the mind, but where was the spirit? And we understood
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  Speaker 2: that that was what was doing the healing, and so
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  Speaker 2: there we go, we had to find some way of
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  Speaker 2: doing it. In fact, at my uh, what is it
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and third birthday? One hundred and second? What
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  Speaker 2: is this birthday?
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  Speaker 3: I had?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to tell you this gets big stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, at the I wrote it in on a
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  Speaker 2: tricycle because I wanted to really I show how what
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  Speaker 2: I think about medicine. The first look at a tricycle.
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  Speaker 2: You have two wheels in the back. They're wonderful. The
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  Speaker 2: body and the mind work, they work together, they're really good.
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  Speaker 2: But they can't do anything by the two wheels like that,
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  Speaker 2: they're just there. But you put a third wheel in
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  Speaker 2: front and a good solid structure, and then you've got
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  Speaker 2: something that's good can go someplace. You know, the mind.
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  Speaker 2: You put the mind in there, and I mean the
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  Speaker 2: spirit in there, and then it can begin to go.
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  Speaker 2: And so so now you have a structure that can move. However,
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  Speaker 2: that can't do anything until a person climbs onto the
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  Speaker 2: seat and takes hold of the handles, and it can
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  Speaker 2: go where the person wants it to go. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: when it becomes a actual part of how our human
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  Speaker 2: spirit can use it as part of the actual movement
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  Speaker 2: of our human spirit, it doesn't really matter who's going
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  Speaker 2: to sit on that seat. It matters how what that
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  Speaker 2: person wants to do, and then the thing will do it.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole field of medicine five mind has got
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  Speaker 2: like a big tricycle. You know, it'll go where we
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go.
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  Speaker 1: So when you came out and you were talking, you
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  Speaker 1: know that medicine is not just about drugs and operations
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  Speaker 1: and prescriptions, but it's about love and can passion and
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  Speaker 1: the mind and the soul. And you were saying all
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: these weird things. I must have thought you were some
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: kind of unicorn.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And which doctor was it? Oh yeah, a very common
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but kind word for us.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I saw you talking. I can't remember who you were
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: chatting with. It might have been Jim Quick, but you
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: were talking about the role of love, the role of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: love or the capacity of love for healing, and you know, therapy.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It's essential. That's what my parents used to do their healing.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: That's what I understood. But I have what I called
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it my five l's, and includes this. The first L
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: is life without life nothing. You know, there's nothing else
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to talk about. But you have a seed in the
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: pyramid that has all the life of the universe in it,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: but it can't do anything because it's held in by
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: this shell until love, in the form of water and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: sunshine and so on, breaks that shell, and then the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: whole life force can begin to move.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: It's the way life.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And love are one unit. It's like a sperm and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: an ovun. You know, you don't have any life force
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: in a human until that sperm and oven come together,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the ovum being the life force and the sperm being
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the activating first force, so that it's that combination of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: life and love which are essential for life to continue. Third,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the third L is laughter. For me, laughter without love
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: is cruel, it's it's cold, it's it's it's mean. But
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: laughter with love is joy and happiness and healing. And
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the fourth one is labor. You know, I gotta go
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: to work. Too many papers. Life just you know, you
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: drag yourself. It's like I dragged myself up the mountain,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: but at the top of it, you know. But laughter
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: with love is bliss. It's what It's why you do
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: what you do. It's why I'm in the full of medicine,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: field of medicine. That's why Peter's paint, why singers sing.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And the fifth one is listening. Listening without love is
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: empty sound, but listening with love is understanding.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: And so when I came up these with these five l's,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: it began to make more sense to me. Yeah, the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: whole picture of life.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: That is incredibly wise. Thank you for that. Now you've
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: written a new book. Of course you have because you've
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: got nothing else to do. So you've written a new book,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: which is called The Well Lived Life one hundred and
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: two year old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and Happiness
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: at Every Age. Did you enjoy you've written? I think
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: that that was book number six for you. Did you
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: enjoy writing that? Do you? What's the process for you?
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Well, actually this was a different process because the other
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: books were had a medical bed. Two of them I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: wrote them. The first one was above pregnancies and birthing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: and so on, but there were reasons for writing them
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: in the field of medicine. But this one is I
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: was reaching for the very essence of why medicine was
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: what it was for me. Yes, And actually I kind
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: of didn't like the title of the book at first
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: when we began talking about it, because I thought that
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it meant it was my life. But what what we
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: finally what I finally realized the book is about what
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the reader is going to get.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Out of it.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Not I put into it what I could, but now
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the joy of it has been but the reader gets
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: out of it.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing, Doctor gladys Can, I ask, so,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: what does your your typical day look like? And how
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: do you how do you manage you? How do you
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: manage your mind and your body and your emotions and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: your lifestyle. I'm sure you have a little bit of help,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: but in terms of keeping your mind and brain and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: body and emotions healthy, what's your operating system?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I get up at six o'clock, I go to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the bathroom, I go downstairs and I have raisin, brad
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: and prunes for breakfast, and then I start doing the
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: things that I'm going to do that day. Yeah, kids
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: on where I am. I mean, if my kids are
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: or little, I'd be taking care of the kids and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: then going to work at the clinic or no matter
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: what is what that day brings. FORTH like to be
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: here Now most every weekday I have at least one
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: opportunity to talk to people from around the world. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: mean it just so I can't tell you what I'm
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: going to do. And I have lunch, and then I
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: take a nap. I take it usually an hour or
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: two nap, and then I continue with the things that
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: I do and I go to bed about eight o'clock
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: in the meantime. I in my head there's a tape
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: that runs that has hymns and pudgeons going through it.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: All the time.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Wow, I if I just sit quietly, I have this
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: kind of back. You know, I've got a crazy mind,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: but it works very well for me. Because I have this,
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: I can move into that state very easily.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard, I think I heard. Tell me if
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I get this wrong, but you recently had some stem
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: cell therapy, is that right?
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yes? I did.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I've had two infusions of stem cell into my circulatory system.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And what's that about.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Well, you know these are stem cells that are embryonic
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: stem cells, and they're baby stem cells. So these baby
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: stem cells coming to help supplement my one hundred and
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: two year old stem cells and I so, you know,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: it's helped. I can't tell you how much it seled,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: except I know that it's helped in the seeing in
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: my right eye is a little bit better than it
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: was before I had the stem cells. But then, you know,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: how do you as you're watching your child grow. You
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: can see that kid and then about uh three months later,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: you look at it, Look.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: How you've grown.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: We don't see that kind of the growth is sell
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: by sell By sell By sell into the age that
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: we are, and you don't. I can't say, uh, what
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: it is that is better, but I remembering back, I
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: think that my knees knees probably are stronger. But I
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: you know, but I'm happy I did it. And so yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing is available to us. Now.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's it's amazing. It's as
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: we would say in Australia, it's bloody amazing. Doc. Some
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: of the okay, some of the things that Hey, I
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: wanted to ask you on so many things, but we'll
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: let you go in ten or fifteen, if that's all right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about your thoughts about
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: the patient doctor relationship and how important that is, the
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: kind of the way that you know medical professionals deal
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: with their patients, and your personal philosophy on how you
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: would build rapport or a relationship with a patient.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I've always hugged my patience. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: feel that I's been part of what I needed to do.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But my eldest son as a retired orthopedic surgeon, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: so when he came he'd finish his training, and he
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: came through Phoenix and he was going down to Del Rio,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Texas to start his practice in order to and he said, Bomb,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you know, I have all this training and I think
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it's amazing, but I've scared. He said, I'm going to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: have people's lives in my hands. I don't know if
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I can handle that. And I said, well, Carl, you
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: have this amazing work to do orthopedic surgery. If we
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: have a broken bone, we need to have somebody who
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: knows how to fix it, you know, so you use
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: the work that you've been trained to do to the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: best of your ability, and then you turn the actual
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: healing over to the physician within that patient, who is
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: what does the feeling healing.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: So if you support the.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Colleague, the patient's physician within them, that that sense of
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: who they are and what they can do, you support that,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and that's what does the healing. Ye And you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: so he took it, he's done with it, and you
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: know it's been an amazing life that he's been able
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to live.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, could you talk to us a little bit about
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the role of or the capacity of
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: the mind for healing or the relationship between our psychology
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and our physiology and maybe yeah, how how you utilized that?
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Well? I think it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I think we are triune beings, and I think that
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: we have the body minding, the spirit connection that is
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the physical aspect of our whole being.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: But that is.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Let's see fired up or the energy okay here, the
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: energy that goes with that is our divine being. In
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: other words, I think that when God, whatever God is,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to each one of us, whatever God created us as
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: humans and he said, now you guys are in charge
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: of well, he said I now give you dominion over
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the earth, and we think we're so smart. We thought
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: dominion was the same as dominance, and so we have
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: taken over the earth and done terrible things to the
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: earth because we thought we were the ones who were
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: in charge, and we were, and we've done that. But
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: what dominion is is care of So when divine energy
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: gave us the ability to choose, to make decisions, to
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: have purpose in life and all of that, it was
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: because we were given the purpose, a purpose of taking
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: care of dominion.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: And so.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: It's a misunderstanding. And I think we as humans now
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: are really reaching for our true humanity, you know, like
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: she did, she looking for going home, always reaching try
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to go home. I think that's what the I think
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: certainly the people that I'm hearing from now are people
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: who are really looking for their true humanity.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I hadn't planned to ask you, but just as you're talking,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I thought to this, And this is just one of
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: those weird questions. But I'm sure you have some thoughts.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: What do you personally, if you don't mind sharing, what
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: do you think happens when we die, which, of course
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: we don't have evidence, but what do you what are
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: your thoughts around that.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's sort of like going into a dream, right,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's very real.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I have contact still with my sister and in dreams
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: or she'll show up in my thoughts or so.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: I don't think that we just go poof when we're done.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: I think that the movement is a actual, real consciousness
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: shift that we go into when we make the transision.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's an amazing process. I'm not afraid of
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: death at all.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: We die every day, you know, Yeah, parts of us
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: we do.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Now. I heard that you're still doing You're still consulting
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: people on the phone, You're still doing a little bit
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of work. Is that is that correct?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know A lowed to practice because I don't
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: have a license anymore. But that's fine, because they didn't
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: tell me I had to stop talking.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't. They can't stop you from talking.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: But so at one hundred and two, what do you know?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: What do you know for sure that most of us
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: don't know? And I don't mean that with any arrogance
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: from your part, But what do you know now that
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you profoundly believe that you think like a lot of
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: us don't know, and perhaps we should think about.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I think that life and love are the two things
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: that we really really need to think about, because that's
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: what changes everything. And in the process of being aware
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: of our life and doing the best we can and
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: loving it and loving those who are with us there,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: and loving the birds around us, and loving the earth,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and life becomes oh wow. You know, there's so exciting
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: and so important and each one of us, and each
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: one of us has that ability within us. There is
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: that we just have to look for it. It's like the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: light that all of this comes up. If we look
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: for the light, we'll see the light. If you don't
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: look for it, you won't see it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: Well, that's true.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That's almost biblical. I think there's a scripture that says
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: if you walk in the light as he is in
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: the light, you have fellowship one with another. There, I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: don't know where I pulled that from.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Well that's great, because we need each other, we need
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: you know, And so yeah, and you know, I kind
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: of look at it. I have a flashlight in my hand, okay,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: and I'm walking in the dark, but I can't go
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: any farther than the next step because that's as far
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: as it's going to take me. However, as I'm walking
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: this path, quite often there might be like small light
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: at the side that I could add by light to,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: which gives them more light and allows them to walk
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: their path a little better too. So we're, you know,
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: if we can think of ourselves as a community that
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: supports each other in every way that we can, which
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: is completely different from what anybody else can.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, maybe my last question, I'm not sure.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: But what my question is what what don't we humans
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: And I'm talking generally, what don't we understand about our
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: potential for healing? What don't we understand or the general public,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: what don't we understand about healing or our capacity for healing?
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: We don't understand that we're the ones that we have
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: to do the healing. Nobody else can heal us. Other
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: people can fix us and fix the broken parts or
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: whatever and do something to help us heal. And that's
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what I think. My job has always been is to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: help people heal because that but the reality is that
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: each one of us has to take that responsibility because
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: no matter what I tell a patient to do, they
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: either do it or they don't. And if they can
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: understand it and do it, then that's there. You know,
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: then they're doing it. But if and if if they
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: can't even understand it so they don't even know how
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: to do it, then I've sort of done the business
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: of an empty sound. You know, what good does it
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: do to tell a patient a lot of diagnostic stuff
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: if they can't even understand what you've said. So it's
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: it's the importance of allowing our light or whatever it
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: is that we have to share, which I think is
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: when it's done in love, it becomes a healing process
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: because it activates the life force and the healing aspect
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: of the patient that's that's there, or the a mother
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: who kicks, who kisses the baby's boogle. You know, that
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: whole process is a.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Healing You know what I find interesting And I didn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: think about this till a few years ago, But for me,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: there are some people that when I'm around them, even
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: if they're not saying anything like I don't know, there's
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: something therapeutic or healing or there's some energy being near
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: those people that makes me feel good. And there are
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: other people that it's the opposite. They don't make and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: it's not about what they're saying to me or ego
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: or anything. There's just some energetic exchange, and I feel
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: like some people almost have a healing energy that you
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: can kind of tap into a little bit.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the great healers of the world, you know, Buddha, Jesus, Mohams,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: these were people like that who had the understanding of
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: love being the healer. And so when you go when
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you have a person around you who is has their
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: very nature is loving. If you have a person around
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you who is who is you know, suspects everything you
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: know there's something wrong with you, and is looking for
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: what's wrong in the world, you find it. You find
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: what you're looking for.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Well, doctor Gladys, it's been really it's been a privilege.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking some time out of your day
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and let me just remind everyone so the good Doc's
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: book is called The Well Lived Life, One hundred and
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: two year Old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and Happiness
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: at every age. Well, say goodbye off Air in a moment,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: but for the minute, thank you so much for being
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: on the U project. We love you and you're amazing.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, I love you and you're amazing.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Ha