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National Security Beyond AI Technology Endangered Is Our Food With The CIA's Steve Hirsch · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Enjoy your exploration. Hello and good morning and good afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic and very excited to share a conversation with you, Steve,
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  Speaker 1: because oh my God, I wish I had you as
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  Speaker 1: a professor at a university because You have so much
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  Speaker 1: experience that we need today as just regular people that
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  Speaker 1: the rest of us are just, we just kind of
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  Speaker 1: look over our shoulders like, eh, if I don't see it,
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  Speaker 1: it's not happening. But you're here to tell us something differently.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I hope I can be of some assistance. Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, because, I mean, you can look at any
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  Speaker 1: headlines right now. And I've talked with chefs now for
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  Speaker 1: the past few weeks. And what is happening to our
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  Speaker 1: own food is, I mean, all of a sudden, now
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if we don't have some sort of biosecurity
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  Speaker 1: situation going on here. But nobody's bringing it up. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: what do you see in your world?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, biosecurity is coming up when, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: is coming up when the news is gets wind of
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  Speaker 4: the fact that we've got, for example, cyclospora in lettuce, right?
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  Speaker 4: So we are seeing it tangentially, but I'll tell you,
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  Speaker 4: people often ask me what keeps me up at night
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  Speaker 4: or what's the scariest thing out there.
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  Speaker 2: It's not war in Ukraine.
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  Speaker 4: It's not the war, not war, war in Iran.
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  Speaker 2: For me, it is exactly this issue.
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  Speaker 4: We need to be treating food security like national security,
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  Speaker 4: and we are not. And you are completely right. This
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  Speaker 4: is terrifying. And then when you look at how much
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  Speaker 4: we continue to cut the monitoring services for all of
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  Speaker 4: our food coming both across the border, but also the
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  Speaker 4: stuff that we're growing here, because that's not completely immune
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  Speaker 4: to all of this stuff. We're cutting, we're cutting, we're
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  Speaker 4: cutting and cutting. And sadly, you can't blame that on
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  Speaker 4: any single administration. Every single administration over the past few
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  Speaker 4: decades continue to whittle away at our ability to monitor
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  Speaker 4: our ability to supervise what's going on. And then the
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  Speaker 4: last thing we're seeing now is as they continue to
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  Speaker 4: cut all of the government agencies that should be doing
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  Speaker 4: these things, what they're basically saying is over to you
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  Speaker 4: growers and large corporations selling this stuff, you need to self-regulate.
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  Speaker 4: And that never ends well for humanity, right? Because you
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  Speaker 4: then see things, and this is exactly what happened with
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  Speaker 4: the lettuce, iceberg lettuce in, um, that was grown in Mexico, right?
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  Speaker 4: Lettuce doesn't come out of the ground with cyclospora in it.
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  Speaker 4: What happens is the water, that stuff is in the water.
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  Speaker 4: And so we should be able to track the water
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  Speaker 4: that is irrigating the food that is coming to our tables,
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  Speaker 4: and we're not. And on top of that, our ability
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  Speaker 4: to actually track that lettuce from the point at which
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  Speaker 4: it gets picked all the way to your grocery store,
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  Speaker 4: it continues to wither because it's such a convoluted chain.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: And again, we continue to cut those monitors, those supervisors,
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  Speaker 4: our ability to track those things at a time when
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  Speaker 4: we need to be doing even more because it's just
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  Speaker 4: getting worse. And someone said to me yesterday, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like we've had more and more of these reports of
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  Speaker 4: foodborne illnesses. That's correct. If you go and you look,
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  Speaker 4: we have seen an absolute spike this year. And I
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  Speaker 4: partially attribute that to the incredible cuts that we have
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  Speaker 4: seen in our ability to monitor these things. So you
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  Speaker 4: are 100%. This is actually the thing that concerns me
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  Speaker 4: the most out of all the horrible things we are
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  Speaker 4: reading about.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: I've got an insight on this, Steve. And my insight
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  Speaker 1: is I work at a grocery store. I know what
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  Speaker 1: we're doing. I know what's coming back to the store.
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  Speaker 1: And I also fear for every single bit of meat
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  Speaker 1: that's coming back as well. Because just the other day,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, meat came back that made me sick for
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  Speaker 1: five hours. And I never even touched the meat, but
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  Speaker 1: I could smell it. And I'm sitting there going, who
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  Speaker 1: is doing this to us? And at what level are
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  Speaker 1: they doing it to us? And especially when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to the fruit and veggies. That lettuce, uh-uh. They're bringing
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  Speaker 1: it back, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's, it's, it is, it really is. It really is
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  Speaker 2: buyer beware out there.
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  Speaker 4: And the problem is if I go to the grocery store, right.
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  Speaker 4: And I, I like most people like a little lettuce
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  Speaker 4: now for me, and I'm sorry, I'm probably going to
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  Speaker 4: get sued.
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  Speaker 2: Iceberg lettuce is, is, is useless filler. It has almost
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  Speaker 2: no nutritional value.
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  Speaker 4: Um, But it's still one of the largest selling lettuces
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  Speaker 4: simply because of the taco bells and all the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the stuff that use it.
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  Speaker 2: I buy butter lettuce. I just like butter lettuce.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things that you can do is actually
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  Speaker 4: when you go into the grocery store, you can pick
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  Speaker 4: up your package of lettuce. You can take a picture,
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  Speaker 4: including the scan, right? And you can actually load that
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  Speaker 4: into AI and we can talk about AI and say,
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  Speaker 4: I'm buying this at X grocery store.
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  Speaker 2: In Arlington, Virginia. That's where I am.
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  Speaker 4: It will then do a quick check of that grower,
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  Speaker 4: of that packaging, and it will come back and it
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  Speaker 4: will tell.
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  Speaker 2: You there were no marked items. noted recalls. But almost
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  Speaker 2: nobody does that. You go to a grocery store, everyone
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  Speaker 2: is looking at what looks pretty. And I get that too.
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  Speaker 2: I get that too. But nobody is really becoming an
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  Speaker 2: educated shopper.
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  Speaker 4: And more and more, not only when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: grocery shopping, everything we do, we need to be more careful.
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  Speaker 4: And I fear, and here we can slip into AI,
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  Speaker 4: I fear that AI, because everyone's now using that as
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  Speaker 4: an answer vending machine, People are just not even thinking
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  Speaker 4: about these things anymore.
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  Speaker 2: And it really, really concerns me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and AI is quickly becoming that one thing that
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  Speaker 1: people do not want to talk about. Oh, I'm getting
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  Speaker 1: too much of it. I don't use it the way
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  Speaker 1: everybody else is using it.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 1: You're using it or the people that you're buying from
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  Speaker 1: are using it. You just don't know you're using it
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  Speaker 1: and you need to pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%.
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  Speaker 4: It is amazing to me how Every product, pretty much
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  Speaker 4: anything we do that has any kind of a digital
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  Speaker 4: footprint is.
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  Speaker 2: Now essentially AI. It's everything. AI isn't everything. You search Google.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone thinks they're just doing an innocent search of Google.
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  Speaker 4: They're using their Gemini platform.
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  Speaker 2: It's right there.
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  Speaker 4: So I personally– this will probably get me thrown off
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  Speaker 4: a lot of shows– I'm personally a very heavily caveated.
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  Speaker 2: Fan of AI.
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  Speaker 4: I think it could be an absolutely useful tool. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 4: But we are not using it well. And this is
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  Speaker 4: one of the things I confronted when I was at
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  Speaker 4: the agency and now in my retired life, watching people
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  Speaker 4: just become enslaved to what the AIs are telling them
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  Speaker 4: to do or what the answer happens to be.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong here, but I feel that AI technology
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  Speaker 1: has made a lot of liars out of people. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, they're doing whatever they can at any pace
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  Speaker 1: they can. Oh, this looks good. This is who my
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  Speaker 1: business is. This is who I'm going to serve. Because
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  Speaker 1: AI told me, and none of it is true. And
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  Speaker 1: we're buying it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we are absolutely buying it.
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  Speaker 4: And.
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  Speaker 3: It really makes me very worried because there was a report,
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  Speaker 3: several reports, a couple of weeks ago, and I actually
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  Speaker 3: covered this in a little article I wrote on LinkedIn.
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  Speaker 4: There was a story about the intelligence.
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  Speaker 3: Community indicating that a Chinese.
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  Speaker 4: Vessel, that there was some stuff on a Chinese vessel
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  Speaker 4: that we had to take out, right?
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  Speaker 3: And ultimately, if you unpack this story, an analyst, an
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  Speaker 3: intelligence analyst, had essentially used AI had not thoroughly vetted
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  Speaker 3: the information AI was using, and basically bought what the chatbot.
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  Speaker 4: Had told him.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know who it was. Thank God, somebody higher
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  Speaker 3: up said, hold on a minute. We're talking about bombing
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  Speaker 3: this thing. We need to do further research. And lo
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  Speaker 3: and behold, AI got it wrong. But the good news
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  Speaker 3: is we found it. I would love to know how
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  Speaker 3: we found it. That's a story and success that I
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  Speaker 3: think should be heralded from.
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  Speaker 4: The top of every big building. But here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It is everywhere.
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  Speaker 5: We all like using answers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we're human beings.
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  Speaker 4: We like an easy answer. You ask ChatGPT. I happen
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  Speaker 4: to use ChatGPT. You ask a ChatGPT question. Okay, there's
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  Speaker 4: the answer. I've gotten to the point where I just
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  Speaker 4: asked it just about 10 minutes ago how to help
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  Speaker 4: me figure out how to.
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  Speaker 3: Replace a bulb in a late model Jeep on a
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  Speaker 3: turn signal. It was 100% wrong.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: It was 100% wrong. And I basically went back. I said, no,
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  Speaker 3: that's incorrect. Please go research the Jeep website. And he
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  Speaker 3: came back to me and said, oh, I was wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Here's why I was wrong. It's like, yeah, yeah, people
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  Speaker 3: need to move better. And that's a whole other conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God, dude. I do a show, a weekly
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  Speaker 1: podcast with Alexa from Amazon. And the whole entire process
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  Speaker 1: of that show, I am human. I have lived this life.
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  Speaker 1: All you are is data. And they haven't shut me
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  Speaker 1: down yet because I'm proving Alexa wrong. And I'm having
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  Speaker 1: the best damn time of my life proving her wrong.
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  Speaker 3: It is.
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  Speaker 4: Yes. And here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Our human beings, you feel good about it. You get
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  Speaker 3: your endorphin rush because you were correct, right? But the
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  Speaker 3: sad thing is, it is so prevalent. You know it
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  Speaker 3: because you're testing it. I know it because I'm testing it.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of people I know are doing the right thing
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  Speaker 3: and questioning AI.
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  Speaker 4: If you go back.
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  Speaker 3: To the people who really invested in large language models in.
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  Speaker 4: The early days and started investing in this.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff, AI was never created to be the answer machine.
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  Speaker 3: AI was always created to gather information from these vast
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  Speaker 3: flows of data and present to you things that you
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  Speaker 3: could then decide which was right.
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  Speaker 4: And which was wrong. And it is just fascinating how
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  Speaker 4: many times AI gets it wrong. and people are just
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  Speaker 4: not paying attention.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got to bring this up only because AI technology,
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  Speaker 1: they say, was created in 1942. Well, right away, that
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  Speaker 1: takes me right through the Dwight D. Eisenhower years. This
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  Speaker 1: is a man that always talked about industrialism. Did he
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  Speaker 1: not see the AI technology or the way of the
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  Speaker 1: nation at that point in time? And is that really
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  Speaker 1: what he was worried about? And that's why he stepped
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  Speaker 1: forward and had a voice over all this stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll admit to you, I'm not a historian. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know what happened way back when. But I think
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  Speaker 4: that one of the shades of an answer is the
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  Speaker 4: fact that the vast majority of Americans, or frankly, everybody
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  Speaker 4: on this planet who has any technology, but especially policymakers, the.
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  Speaker 3: Term artificial intelligence never even came into their awareness until
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  Speaker 3: maybe five.
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  Speaker 4: Six, seven years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe. Right?
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  Speaker 4: Because it just was outside of the realm of normal day,
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  Speaker 4: everyday voters, et cetera, et cetera.
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  Speaker 3: Now, of course, you see it everywhere, and I think, what,
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  Speaker 3: we're supposed to be calling it something else now? What
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  Speaker 3: the hell are we supposed to call it?
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  Speaker 4: Superintelligence, right? Yeah, that's right.
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  Speaker 3: Which is actually, for me, that's insulting, right? Artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 3: tells you it's exactly what it is. Superintelligence tells me
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  Speaker 3: my feeble human intelligence this thing. So I actually think
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  Speaker 3: it's a humiliating title. And I will only refer to
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  Speaker 3: it that way, mockingly.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Steve Hirsch coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. We're talking security, national security and everything it
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  Speaker 1: entails with retired CIA agent Steve Hirsch. Here's my thing
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  Speaker 1: about the super intelligence is that, of course, we are
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  Speaker 1: the generation that likes to abbreviate everything SI. And I'm going, oh, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated is not going to like this SI being
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  Speaker 1: on their playing field. And I'm going to say, who's
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  Speaker 1: going to win this new war? But that's what I
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  Speaker 1: do as a radio guy.
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  Speaker 3: I love that. I want to see the super intelligence
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  Speaker 3: wins that are soon to be shown. That's hilarious. I
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  Speaker 3: love that.
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  Speaker 1: Now, with you being as close as you are, how
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  Speaker 1: often do you have to get your information cleared by
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  Speaker 1: the U.S.
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  Speaker 2: Government?
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  Speaker 1: Because I heard through U.S. soldiers, it's not an easy
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  Speaker 1: game to get your real story out there.
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  Speaker 3: It's difficult.
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  Speaker 4: Often.
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  Speaker 3: So the answer to your question is I have to
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  Speaker 3: go back to the agency often. The good news is,
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  Speaker 3: this is not new to them, the good news is,
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  Speaker 3: particularly once you've retired, they actually want to take care
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  Speaker 3: of you. They want to make sure you're, because they
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  Speaker 3: don't want you to suddenly.
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  Speaker 4: Now get angry and go give away secrets to somebody
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  Speaker 4: because you're pissed off.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So we have a very, a very good process
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  Speaker 3: in place whereby I submit, usually what will happen is
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  Speaker 3: if I give a speech or I'm writing something new,
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  Speaker 3: I will.
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  Speaker 4: Present, I will give them my talking points and then
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  Speaker 4: In a week.
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  Speaker 3: Or two, they will send it back to me with,
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  Speaker 3: this is classified.
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  Speaker 4: Do you need to redact that, this is classified.
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  Speaker 3: But honestly, the vast majority of things that I have.
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  Speaker 4: Given to them. Basically, they've cleared. Now, what's interesting is
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  Speaker 4: I am working with a publisher on a science fiction novel,
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  Speaker 4: dystopian fiction novel. And so I submitted the.
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  Speaker 3: Whole thing because I have a fictitious scene in there
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  Speaker 3: that mimics a scene from when I was a president's
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  Speaker 3: daily briefer right after 9-11.
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  Speaker 4: But it's fiction. It's like two years in the future. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: They still wanted to see it. And so they saw
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  Speaker 3: it and they said, no, this is good. There's nothing
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  Speaker 3: in here that's classified.
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  Speaker 4: But you have to put a disclaimer on the front
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  Speaker 4: of your book.
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  Speaker 3: Because you were a B2B briefer and this is similar
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  Speaker 3: to what your job was. So my publisher's like, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: People are going to be like, ooh, this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be good. There's something in here I want to read.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, all right, fine. But the answer to your
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  Speaker 3: question is it's actually fairly easy enough. It can be
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  Speaker 3: lengthy because for a model, for example, they have up
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  Speaker 3: to six weeks. And we do it probably better and
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  Speaker 3: more quickly than anybody else.
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  Speaker 4: Because we've done it for so long.
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  Speaker 3: I know that the military, sadly, it takes quite a
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  Speaker 3: bit longer simply because they don't have.
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  Speaker 4: The history that we do of having to do those things.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know why all of these years that
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  Speaker 1: I've been blessed to be on this planet, why all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden something in security tripped a button and
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  Speaker 1: now Greenland is that one place that's protecting us from Russia.
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  Speaker 1: Why have we never seen this before or ever talked
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  Speaker 1: about this until this year?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, where did this even come from? It's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my God.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, that moves along too. Sometimes it's Greenland,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes it's some other place that's the.
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  Speaker 4: Most important thing. I mean, you know, for a long time, frankly,
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  Speaker 4: Iran was the most important thing that stood between us
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  Speaker 4: and whatever it happens to be.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I.
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  Speaker 4: I'm certainly no fan of this current administration, but at
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  Speaker 4: the same time.
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  Speaker 3: They do it more. But every administration has.
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  Speaker 4: Undertaken some kind of boogeyman. Because ultimately, you've got to
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  Speaker 4: find somebody to blame.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to find somebody to focus on.
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  Speaker 4: I think this administration probably does it way more than
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  Speaker 4: anybody else. But it's really just a trend of all
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  Speaker 4: the administrations moving in this direction.
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  Speaker 3: But it's crazy. It's crazy. Who is our enemy today?
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  Speaker 3: And I think last week we heard that Canada is
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  Speaker 3: the worst.
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  Speaker 4: Neighbor to have or something. Canada? Canada?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny that you bring that up because not
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  Speaker 1: even 30 minutes ago I was talking with a Canadian
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  Speaker 1: actor and I'm going, am I supposed to be talking
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  Speaker 1: to you? Am I going to jail now? Because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're like the enemy and you're not because
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be entertained by your TV show. But
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  Speaker 1: why am I talking to somebody from Canada right now?
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  Speaker 3: If they are what you're sending me, they're like the
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  Speaker 3: nicest enemy on the product. And it just makes me
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: sad because it's so ridiculous.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: You know what does worry me, though, Steve? And this
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: may be in your department of security because being in radio,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I always learned that we needed every one of these
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: radio stations to create this network that if something did
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: happen anywhere in this country... that these radio stations would
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: remain on the air and inform the people. They're dropping
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: like flies. They're losing their license to be on the air.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: How is this network supposed to secure this nation? Because
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the Internet's going to go away because it's the Internet.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: So how do we get the word out if we
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: are destroying that plantation?
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I shouldn't be laughing because it's actually super tragic.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: The answer is we don't. And that's the sad thing.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: That's the sad thing. But look, this just goes back
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: to where we started. And that is we are not
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: a country that seems to be getting ready and prepared
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: for anything to come. If you are truly concerned that
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: they're going to meet all these national emergencies and you're
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: going to need.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: What is the network called? The Emergency Response Network or
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: something you were talking about?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Then you would make sure that there are at least
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: a number of radio stations in every locality so that
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: we can convey this thing across the globe. But we
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: are a country that wants to cut, cut, cut, cut,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: cut at the expense of being prepared. The last thing I.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Would say, and this also makes me sad, and I
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: think dates me as it does dates you, If we
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: were to.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Suddenly lose internet, if we were in a situation where
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: we actually needed to activate that system.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: How many people have a radio that they're actually going
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: to be able to listen to you on? Nope, they don't.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: They don't and i'll tell.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: You you know if you watch any good sort of
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: zombie movies or or or tv shows some really good
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: pepper always has a radio right like that's that's pepper
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: gold and i've got several of them i think some a.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: Little bit of a pepper particularly the crank ones so.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I'm ready to go i'm ready to listen to what
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you've got to say but i gotta tell you nobody
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: listens to the radio and It was an emergency.
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: But I, particularly young folks today, and I don't mean
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: to be that guy, but it's.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Like, okay.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: In an emergency, you need to go to the radio.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Yep. Yep.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I work for a movie promotions company, and
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: we do a lot of things at outdoor movie theaters. Well,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that outdoor movie theater is playing through your radio. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: when I'm standing up there at the gate trying to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: explain it to them, they have no clue where that
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: sound is going to be coming from.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: They don't.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: So I'm old enough to remember when my dad would
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: take my brother and me to the drive-in, and we
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: went from having those metal speaker things you.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Had to stick on your window to... We were so
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: excited because those things are awful. Like you could hardly hear.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: When it came through on the radio, we thought that
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: was the best thing. Because now you can hear it
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: through the speakers of the car. Oh, my God.
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: Thanks for this conversation.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. One of the things, I mean, I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: can't imagine if you're even getting any sleep at night
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because it seems like every day is a brand new story.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Every day is a brand new threat. I don't understand
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: how you're even sleeping.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: So sometimes with assistance, you know, I do love a
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: good scotch. But what I would tell you is, yes.
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: And I literally last week posted on LinkedIn.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: An article that basically said, stop hyperventilating. start planning.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: There are things that we can do right now that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: will help you secure yourself and your family.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: And better prepare them for whatever might come.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Any one of the things we talked about. Any one
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: of the things. I live in Northern Virginia. Northern Virginia
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: is one of the biggest concentrations of data centers. As
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: a result, our electrical grid is so overtaxed. that in
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the past few years, I have had more blackouts and
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: brownouts than I have had.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: In the previous 20 years in Arlington County.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Arlington County is pretty damn affluent and we are having
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: all of these problems, right? So what I tell people is, okay, look,
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I come from Northern California where we have actual earthquakes
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: that would.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Knock out infrastructure, right?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: So we were always ready. Okay, how are you going
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: to live for three days with no power, maybe no gas,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: You've got to be ready.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: For these things. So you start to come up with
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: a plan. And the plan includes how do you boil water?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: The plan includes all the food things, all the things.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Even if you look at AI, because everyone says, okay,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: I can see that with food preparation, all that stuff.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: What about the AI thing? There are actually a lot
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of things you can do to defend.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Yourself or help better defend yourself or prepare yourself for that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: For example, do you have some form of an identity
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: protection program working on at your home?
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: So, for example, I pay a monthly fee for a
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: company that basically any.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Time my name, my social security number, my credit card, any.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Time those are used, it pops up a.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Warning for me. And you can also activate it so
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: that we'll then go sort of clamp those things down.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: I have credit monitoring.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: Everybody should have credit monitoring.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Everybody. And it's not that expensive.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Most credit cards will actually pay you to do it
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: or reimburse you. And here's the one that I wish
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: more people knew.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Every single person who's listening to me can right now
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: go to the big three credit monitoring bureaus, right, and
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: freeze your credit. Everybody can do it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: You have to credit a little account. It doesn't cost
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: you anything. And then you basically freeze your account. So
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: now nobody can open an account in your name without
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: them going to whatever the number is. I only learned
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: this because I was the victim of identity theft three
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: different times.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I was a public figure for the agency. Some people
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: came after me.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: But back then, I had to get a police report
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: to get these bureaus to do it. Now, however, everybody
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: can lock their credit down.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand why people are not doing this.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: But what I find out is people don't know that
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: you can actually do that.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: How about laziness? Is that part of it?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: But then, okay, don't lose sleep because you're so lazy.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, the answer is don't be lazy and do
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the things. But anyway, I had a list on my
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: LinkedIn page. It was like, here are some very simple
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: things we can all do for all of these things.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And then the last thing I want to talk about,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: because I don't know if anyone, if you have been
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: tracking how unbelievably good AI-generated voices we're getting. The frightening
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: thing is they can create your voice, right? Every family,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: I don't care who it is, Every family should have
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: a safe word or a safe phrase. So if, for example,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: your kid goes off to college and your kid suddenly
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: calls you and says, hey mom, hey dad, I need $ 10, 000,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I was just in the hospital, whatever it happens to be.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But they don't say that, you're afraid, you know it's
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: a scam. If they do say the word, because folks,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: you get these phone calls, You pick up the phone. Hello, hello.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Guess what they're doing? They're recording your voice, and they're
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: going to flip it around.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: And so you need everybody.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: And that's something you can have in a similar conversation
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: over dinner.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: What is the phrase going to be? Wow.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: See, that's every bit the reason why when I get
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: one of these phone calls, I'll sit there and I'll say,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: tell me something that only you know about me. And
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, click. I need you to tell
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: me something that only the two of us would know.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And another one is, especially if they do it on
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the Internet, I'll sit there and say, tell me right now,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: who are you and what was I doing five years
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: ago in this present place of now? In other words,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: if you're going to write to me, you're going to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: get grilled. And then I may get around having a
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: conversation with you, but I'm going to grill you.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: But I don't think people are paying attention to how
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: good scammers are getting.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: But they've crossed this line now where they're actually able
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: to have these voices that sound incredibly like the person
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: they're trying to mimic. And I'm telling you, another thing
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: that really concerns me is we're also.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: Getting to a place where they're going.
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: To get to being able to come up with video.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: It's the exact same thing.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Two years ago, if you would look at AI-generated images
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and AI-generated.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Video, they were clearly clunky and people walk weird and
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: it was just... Look at them today. They are really good.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: But we're getting to that place where they take that voice,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: they take your image, they can create this video.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Everybody should have a safe word or a safe phrase
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that is not simple to come up with. Don't have
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: it be somebody's birthday. Don't have it be your address.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Nothing that they can get off of the internet. Because
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: guess what?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more information about you, Steve?
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Because 20 minutes with you is just not going to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: be enough. We need to learn this and start activating it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: So two ways. First of all, you can go to
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: my website. It is stevenhirsch.com.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: That's my website.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Or the easier way is just Google Steve Hirsch CIA,
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and it will bring you to my LinkedIn account and
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: bring you to my website.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: My webpage and both of those will get you to me.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But most of the stuff that I'm doing lately has
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: been on LinkedIn. So a lot of stuff on AI,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff on AI preparedness.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: And my sort of soapbox about. Oh, I love it.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: We're focusing too much on AI and not on critical
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: thinking for human beings. I love it.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: You got to come back to this show anytime in
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the future, Steve. The door is always, always, always going
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: to be open for you. This is an everyday situation here.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: This isn't just something we do in the fall.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: And I'm happy to come back. I really enjoyed this. Excellent.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you'll be brilliant today, okay, sir?
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Thank you. You too, sir.