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Midday Missing - ASHA DEGREE UPDATE Sarah & Jacob Hoggle Evan Chartrand & Susan Osborne · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: before we get into today's cases, I wanted to share
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  Speaker 1: a quick update with you guys on a case that
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  Speaker 1: we just covered last week. Okay, so this was breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: Police issued search warrants back in twenty twenty four for
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance of Asha. Now, guys, in the news yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: it was reported that new search warrants were executed on
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  Speaker 1: February thirteenth, just a day after we covered the case. No,
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  Speaker 1: I wish I could say it was because of us,
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  Speaker 1: but it was from information they found from those warrants
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  Speaker 1: and some other things. Now, the new search warrants focus
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  Speaker 1: on Lizzie and Sarah. Okay, if you remember, police had
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  Speaker 1: said they found DNA from run of Roy Deadman's daughters
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  Speaker 1: and from a man named Russell Underhill who was connected
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  Speaker 1: to the Deadman's Okay, they found their DNA on items
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  Speaker 1: in the backpacks from Asha. Okay, guys, guess what. A
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  Speaker 1: man reported to police that while at a house party
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  Speaker 1: back in two thousand, he saw Lizzie one of the daughters.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah was there also, but Lizzie was upset and intoxicated,
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  Speaker 1: and he went over and talked to her, and while
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  Speaker 1: talking to the man, he said, she said, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: I killed Asha. Degree. The man then said, Sarah Deadman
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  Speaker 1: got pissed off and told Lizzie to shut the f up. Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Don't know why I waited so
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  Speaker 1: long to go to police, but they have given him
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  Speaker 1: a polygraph test and he passed, so police have no
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  Speaker 1: reason to believe that he is lying. Okay, that's a
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  Speaker 1: big deal, guys. Now, the new search warrant says that
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  Speaker 1: police believe there's evidence that Lizzie and Sarah and Roy
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  Speaker 1: Deadman engaged in obstruction of justice in regard to Asha's disappearance. Now,
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  Speaker 1: three search warrants were executed last week, and these warrants
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  Speaker 1: allowed police to seize the cell phones belonging to the three.
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  Speaker 1: Because guys, back in twenty twenty four, police had obtained
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  Speaker 1: if part of a search warrant. They were able to
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  Speaker 1: get Lizzie's iCloud messages that she had backed up to
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  Speaker 1: the cloud and guys, they found several messages that, to
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  Speaker 1: say the lease are very interesting and very suss Now
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read you word for word these text
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  Speaker 1: messages that police put into the search warrant. So back
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  Speaker 1: on September tenth, twenty twenty four, Sarah sent to her
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  Speaker 1: sister Lizzie, they think it's our shirt. It's not her shirt.
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  Speaker 1: She then said her mom said it wasn't hers. Sarah
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  Speaker 1: again texted, I don't remember that shirt. I'm scared though.
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  Speaker 1: Dad is probably going to be a huge suspect. Then
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  Speaker 1: on September eleventh, Anna Lee, who's thirteen at the time
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  Speaker 1: of Asha's disappearance and she is sisters to Lizzie, said
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  Speaker 1: to Lizzie, you don't need to talk to anyone. I'm
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  Speaker 1: at the lawyer's office now. Then Sarah said to Lizzie,
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  Speaker 1: they advise we should all not talk to them. Then
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  Speaker 1: she said without representation now. On September eleventh, also Lizzie
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  Speaker 1: sent to her ex husband, this is going to get nothing,
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  Speaker 1: but worse. I'm talking to my doctor at five to
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  Speaker 1: get something from my nerves. I'm so worried, so so worried.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a nightmare that's going to keep getting worse.
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  Speaker 1: I can see nothing good happening anytime soon. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: an optimist own Her husband replied, Oh no, I hate
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  Speaker 1: it for y'all. Then Lizzie said again to her ex husband,
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  Speaker 1: there's no way this is going to be okay. Then
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  Speaker 1: the very next day, Lizzie to her sister, said, I
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  Speaker 1: just talked to David Teddy, which is the family's lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: The theory is I did it accident, covered it up.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah replies, no, why would it be you. Lizzie replied,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he said. On September twelfth, Lizzie then again
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  Speaker 1: communicated with her ex husband, I feel so horrible, so
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  Speaker 1: so horrible. I don't know what to do. I caused this,
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  Speaker 1: and her ex husband responded, no, you didn't. On that
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  Speaker 1: same day, Lizzy message Sarah, hey, is everybody mad at me?
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  Speaker 1: Sarah replied to Lizzie, nobody is, Lizzie, this is not
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  Speaker 1: your fault. Then, on September twenty ninth, Lizzie to Sarah
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so anxious about like what's going on behind
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  Speaker 1: the scenes, Like what are they doing now, What's going
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  Speaker 1: to happen to me? Since I wouldn't talk to them.
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  Speaker 1: That was Lizzie referencing that when she was approached by
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement on September twenty eighth, she wouldn't talk to them.
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  Speaker 1: She then said, I'm afraid it's going to get worse. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he told me it's going to Sarah said, replied, I know, girl,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a disaster. I think if they come at you again,
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  Speaker 1: you just go and be compliant. That's what I'm planning
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  Speaker 1: on doing. Lizzie said, I think so too, honestly. I
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  Speaker 1: mean I want to do what Dad says that damn.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah responded, maybe we should have let you do what
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  Speaker 1: you originally wanted to do. Lizzie responds, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I really don't know. Sarah responds, you don't want you
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  Speaker 1: don't want something we do or say impact him. But
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  Speaker 1: we also can't be living like this either. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I told him I'm not going to do that. Lizzie replied, right,
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  Speaker 1: oh you did? What did he say? Sarah responds, It's
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  Speaker 1: not worth our mental health. Lizzie says, right. Sarah says
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  Speaker 1: he was just like, I will call Teddy and we
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  Speaker 1: can go get a polygraph with the honest people. Lizzie says,
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  Speaker 1: oh okay. Sarah responds, I really just don't have it
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  Speaker 1: in me to go through what you've been through. Lizzy says,
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  Speaker 1: it's been hell. Sarah says, just hearing about your situation
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  Speaker 1: has made me a disaster hearing about it. Lizzy says, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sarah says, I just can't even imagine going
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  Speaker 1: through that. Lizzy says, but y'all have dealt with other
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  Speaker 1: stuff that I haven't. Guys, that is some sus stuff, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that I mean they know something now. Police also said
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  Speaker 1: in these new warrants that Lizzie Deadman had been deceptive
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  Speaker 1: when questioned by police. Now, as of today, no arrest
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  Speaker 1: had been made, and we will can continue to bring
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  Speaker 1: updates as we hear about them. But guys, I want
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  Speaker 1: this to be a reminder that any and all information
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  Speaker 1: about a missing person should be reported to the police.
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  Speaker 1: All it takes is one witness to come forward for
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  Speaker 1: police to assemble the puzzle. It helps them get search warrants,
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  Speaker 1: it leads them to other pieces Okay. So I hope
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  Speaker 1: these new search warrants lead the police to additional evidence
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  Speaker 1: and information so that they can find out what happened
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  Speaker 1: to Asha and bring her home to her family. Okay, guys, remember,
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  Speaker 1: go doesn't matter if you think it's wrong, if you
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  Speaker 1: think it's a rumor, take it to the police. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now let's get to today's case. Okay. Now, today's cases
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  Speaker 1: are unique. Okay. They both involved two individuals who went
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  Speaker 1: missing together at the same time. So it made me
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  Speaker 1: wonder how often does this occur? So I decided to
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  Speaker 1: dig a little deeper, and I didn't find a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But here's what I found. Because there are no official
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  Speaker 1: statistics specifically tracking cases where multiple people disappeared together. However,
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  Speaker 1: when multiple individuals go missing at the same time, it
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  Speaker 1: often involves family members, close friends, or people with a
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  Speaker 1: shared connection. It means they know the people. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and jump into this first case. This
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  Speaker 1: is the case of Sarah and Jacob Hoggle, two young
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  Speaker 1: siblings from Montgomery County, Maryland, who vanished in September twenty fourteen. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to warn you. Maybe I'm just extra emotional today,
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  Speaker 1: but these cases are there a lot? On September sixth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Troy Turner and Catherine Hogel spent the early
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  Speaker 1: part of the day doing some family events with their children.
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  Speaker 1: Troy had to go to lake work later that do,
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  Speaker 1: so they wanted to get in some family time. We
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  Speaker 1: all know what it's like when you've got to juggle work, lifetime,
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  Speaker 1: you know, commitments, all of that stuff. Now, before we
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  Speaker 1: get farther into this case, I need to tell you
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  Speaker 1: about Catherine Hogel because I think it's very important that
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  Speaker 1: everyone knows this. Catherine started showing signs in middle school
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  Speaker 1: that something wasn't right. She was diagnosed with learning disabilities,
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  Speaker 1: then later came concerns that she was bipolar. Now, after
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  Speaker 1: high school, Catherine met Troy and they fell in love.
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  Speaker 1: In two thousand and eight, she gave birth to their son, Jacob,
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  Speaker 1: and this is when the signs that something was wrong
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  Speaker 1: with Catherine more than just her being bipolar. Catherine started
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  Speaker 1: showing troubling signs, but everyone assumed it was just normal
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  Speaker 1: postpartum depression. I mean I would have thought the same thing, right.
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  Speaker 1: Sarah was born in twenty ten, and concerns grew, with
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  Speaker 1: things getting worse in twenty thirteen, Catherine started becoming paranoid
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  Speaker 1: and thought that people were out to get her and
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  Speaker 1: the family. Troy wanted to get Catherine into therapy and
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  Speaker 1: get her help, but he knew she was not going
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  Speaker 1: to go voluntarily. So in August of twenty thirteen, the
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  Speaker 1: family got a court ordered psychiatric evaluation and was hospitalized. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Once released, everything seemed better, but by the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year, Catherine again was hospitalized, this time for several weeks,
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  Speaker 1: and she was diagnosed with schizophrenia. Now, after her stay,
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  Speaker 1: they said Catherine seemed to be doing better. She was
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  Speaker 1: taking her medication, seeing the doctor, and she seemed to
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  Speaker 1: understand that she had to take care of herself and
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  Speaker 1: her illness so she could be a mother to her kids.
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  Speaker 1: And Catherine was released. Things, like I said, seemed to
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  Speaker 1: be going well. But the family put a plan in
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  Speaker 1: place and made arrangements so that Catherine was always supervised
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  Speaker 1: with her children and that she was not to be
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  Speaker 1: left alone with them, which, guys, that's the right kind
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  Speaker 1: of plan and the right thing to do. Now, let's
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  Speaker 1: go back to September six, where the family spent that
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  Speaker 1: nice morning together and then Troy left for work. Later
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  Speaker 1: that afternoon, after Troy went to work, Catherine was with
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  Speaker 1: her family and she told her father she was going
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  Speaker 1: to go grab a pizza and borrowed her father's car. Now, Jacob,
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  Speaker 1: like most little boys, wanted to go with his mom
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  Speaker 1: to get pizza. I mean, who doesn't want to hang
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  Speaker 1: out with mom and who doesn't want to go to
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  Speaker 1: the pizza place? Right now? Catherine returned several hours later
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  Speaker 1: and said that she had left Jacob at a friend's
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  Speaker 1: house for a sleepover. Catherine then, along with her father, Sarah,
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, and Catherine's older son, all went back to
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  Speaker 1: their apartment. Now, Troy returned home from work around midnight
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  Speaker 1: on September seventh, and being that he was exhausted, he
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  Speaker 1: went to Okay. Now, the next morning, Catherine's dad left
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  Speaker 1: her his job, and not much later Troy wake up
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  Speaker 1: and realized that Jacob and Sarah were not in the home,
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  Speaker 1: but the oldest son was and he needed to get
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  Speaker 1: to school. So Troy got him dressed and got him
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  Speaker 1: off to school. He grew concerned, called nine one one
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  Speaker 1: and was like, my wife, the car and the younger
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  Speaker 1: kids are gone. Well. While on the phone, Katherine arrived
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  Speaker 1: back at home, he saw her pull up in the driveway,
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  Speaker 1: so he got off the phone, said things are great,
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  Speaker 1: but Catherine had arrived home without their children. Now, she
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  Speaker 1: told Troy that she had taken the children to a
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  Speaker 1: new daycare center that was having a trial program. Now,
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  Speaker 1: they had been looking at daycrees and programs. Troy was like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were looking. But Troy said, okay, got it, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now this thing was she couldn't tell the daycare's exact
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  Speaker 1: location or contact information. And guys, this race concerns with Troy,
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  Speaker 1: I mean with me, I've got red flags all over
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  Speaker 1: the place. And Troy later said that as the day progressed,
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  Speaker 1: Catherine's explanations became increasingly more inconsistent. So they jumped in
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  Speaker 1: the car and they drove around trying to find the daycare.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine could not remember where it was, the name of
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  Speaker 1: the daycare or even the phone number. Guys, my heart,
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  Speaker 1: just my heart beat just I can only imagine Troy's
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  Speaker 1: panic in that moment. Here You've put together a plan
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  Speaker 1: to keep your kids safe, damn you know. Now, realizing
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  Speaker 1: something was terribly wrong, Troy attempted to take Catherine to
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  Speaker 1: the police station, However, she fled and she remained missing
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  Speaker 1: for several days before she was located and arrested. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: despite extensive surges, Sarah and Jacob have not been found. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Catherine was initially charged with misdemeanor offenses, but was later
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  Speaker 1: indicted on two counts of murder in twenty seventeen. Now,
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  Speaker 1: over the years, Catherine was repeatedly deemed incompetent to stand
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  Speaker 1: trial due to her mental health condition. In November twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty two, a judge dismissed the murder charges, citing Maryland's
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  Speaker 1: laws that limit the time a defendant can be held
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  Speaker 1: incompetent without a trial. Now, Catherine does remain in a
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  Speaker 1: psychiatric facility, and this case has sparked huge discussions about
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  Speaker 1: the intersection of mental health and the legal system, because, guys,
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  Speaker 1: we shouldn't dismiss the case. In my opinion, it can
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  Speaker 1: stay there until she's deemed competent, because who knows it
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  Speaker 1: could happen with the right medication and therapy. Now. Catherine's mom, Lindsey,
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  Speaker 1: constantly asked Catherine to tell her where the kids are,
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  Speaker 1: but doesn't get an answer. Catherine told her dad that
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  Speaker 1: their kids are fine and that they are alive, but
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  Speaker 1: when he asked her for more details, she doesn't respond. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Since then, Troy has been unwavering in his efforts to
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  Speaker 1: locate them and seek justice. In the immediate aftermath, Troy
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  Speaker 1: actively participated in search operations. He was out distributing missing
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  Speaker 1: person flyers, launched a Facebook campaign because, guys, all he
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  Speaker 1: wants to do is know where his children are. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Over the past decade, Troy has organized annual vigils to
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  Speaker 1: honor Sarah. Excuse me, Sarah and Jacob, I almost sneezed, guys.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to ensure the public attention remains focused on
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  Speaker 1: their case. He consistently engages with the media, sharing his
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  Speaker 1: story because he wants to keep the community informed and involved.
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  Speaker 1: Now this emotional toll, Troy has attended numerous court proceedings
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  Speaker 1: related to the case, advocating for his children and seeking accountability. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: can you imagine how he feels every day of his life?
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  Speaker 1: Lady and Gray says, this must be horrendous for the father. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to be horrendous for the father. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: can only imagine what her dad thinks because he let
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  Speaker 1: her take Jacob to go get pizza. Okay, he's got
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  Speaker 1: to have tremendous guilt. Now. Like I said, Troy has worked,
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  Speaker 1: you know, very hard. He's a vocal advocate for legislation reform.
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  Speaker 1: He is working tiresly to address an amends Maryland's competency laws,
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  Speaker 1: which currently mandate that felony charges be dismissed if the
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  Speaker 1: defendant remains incompetent to stand trial for five years.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: He wants to prevent similar situations from hindering justice in future. Now,
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  Speaker 1: what I don't know is just because they dismiss it,
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  Speaker 1: are they dismissing it with prejudice or without? Because if
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  Speaker 1: it's without prejudice, they can come back and refile it. Now,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, as of today, Sarah and Jacob's whereabouts
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  Speaker 1: remain unknown. I, by reading everything, believe law enforcement thinks
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  Speaker 1: something horrific happened to them. Now, Like I said, Troy
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  Speaker 1: continues to seek answers and justice for his children. So
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  Speaker 1: if you have any information regarding Sarah and Jacob, please
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  Speaker 1: contact the Montgomery County Police at three one, two, seven
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  Speaker 1: nine eight thousand. Guys, like an osious case, one little
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  Speaker 1: piece of information. Did somebody see Catherine driving around that
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  Speaker 1: morning see her car somewhere. That information could lead to
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  Speaker 1: where she possibly was. We didn't have all of the
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  Speaker 1: doorbell cameras and license plate readers back then like we
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  Speaker 1: do now, so eyewitness is gonna be what's key.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: This next case, guys, is just is heartbreaking and earth shattering.
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  Speaker 1: This case is out of a Holtville at Alabama, where
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  Speaker 1: authorities are continuing their investigation into the disappearance of forty
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  Speaker 1: two year old Susan Osborne and her fifteen year old son,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Shartrand. The mother and son were last heard from
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  Speaker 1: on May twenty ninth, twenty seventeen, at their home where
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  Speaker 1: they lived with Susan's second husband of four years, Jerry
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Marshall Osborne. Guys, they have not been heard from again now.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Susan's family, lived out of state, became concerned after two
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: months without contact. They reported Susan and Evan missing on
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: July twenty ninth, twenty seventeen. Guys, that is two months.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: That is a long time. I am not shaming the
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: family because guys, we get busy, things are going on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: in life, and I mean I haven't spoke to my brother.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think in at least a month, month and
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: a half, So it does happen now. They said Susan
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: had never gone more than her day without calling or
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: texting her phone. But they thought maybe she lost her phone,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: she broke it. She doesn't have money to pay the bill.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: They just didn't know. So her mother did the next
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: best thing. She mailed her a letter, good old snow mail, guys.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: The letter was returned. That's what made them report her missing. Now, Guys,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: After they reported her missing, they found out her two
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: cherished dogs were found at an animal shelter. They had
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: been dropped off there on June twelfth by none other
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: than Jerry. Okay, Jerry, that's sus Okay. Now, Susan did
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: leave behind a daughter who lived with her grandparents. So
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: when Susan got divorced, she took two of her children
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: with her. The older one went to live with her grandparents. Okay,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but they have said she would never voluntarily abandon her
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: other child. Okay. Now, when the authorities arrived to investigate
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: and talk to Jerry, Jerry told them that Susan had
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: left him on May twenty ninth, and that a man
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: had picked her up. Really, Jerry, and you didn't think
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to call her family and say, hey, Susan left. Have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you heard anything. I want to make sure she's okay.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, even if you're pissed because she left you
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: for another man. Guys. Also, he was doing a deep
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: cleaning of the house, and I just want to say,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: what man does a deep claiming when his wife runs off?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Okay now. He also claimed that that man returned the
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: next day to remove furniture and other belongings of Susan's,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: though Susan's car was left behind. Jerry, I'm going to
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: just say I don't believe you. If you want to
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: come at me, come on at me, just come at me,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: because not only are you sus I'm going to say
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: the police said you were doing a deep cleaning, because
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: you've said you were doing a deep cleaning. Oh, I see,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: lady in Gray's already there. He didn't even do a
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: deep cleaning, so maybe he doesn't know what cleaning is. Okay, now, guys,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this is important. Shortly before Susan went missing, she discovered
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Jerry had lied to her. He wasn't who she thought
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: she was. She found out he previously worked as an
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: escort advertising his services online. Now she thought he was
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: still working as an escort because she recognized his tattoos
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in photos she found online, and she confided in her
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: best friend via email about this because she was concerned
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that Jerry was still escorting. Okay, she said she wanted
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: to leave him. Then again, like women, we do this
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: all the time. I've done it. We believe them, we
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: loved them, and we try to work it out. Okay,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and she did that. She said she still loved him. Okay. Now.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Investigators later found that the home had been completely renovated
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: repainted after her disappearance. Now Jerry had ripped up carpet,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: replaced the hardwoods, and he said it was because Susan
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: had spray painted vulgar phrases on the walls before she left. Really, dude,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: why would she spray paint vulgar on her own walls? Really,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: this was a relatively new home. Okay. Now, guys, this
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: guy just I just want to reach out and slap him.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Neighbors said Jerry was burning furniture on his property in
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the summer of twenty seventeen, and Jerry replaced the home
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: security system on June first, erasing any footage from the time.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Susan and Evan disappeared. Now, I know this is not
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: enough to arrest the man and maybe indict him, but damn,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can't you find something to charge him with something? I mean,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: can you wrest him for being a dumbass? Okay? Because
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: this is highly suspicious okay, And he said he was
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: cleaning up We know he was cleaning up a crime
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: and scene right now. Since the disappearance, authorities have executed
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: multiple search warrants and conducted forensic examinations on the property.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Cadaver dogs were brought to the home. Guys, Cadaver dogs
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: alerted investigators to a fifty gallon drum that had been
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: burnt and things had been burned inside it, but sadly,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: it had burned to the point nothing could be identified,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: not even potential bone fragments. But it was enough for
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the cadaver dogs to smell something. Now, investigators found approximately
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: twenty bloodstains which were sent for DNA testing. However, due
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to the cleaning agent to use, the DNA results were
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: incoc inclusive. Now, they brought in a heavy duty luminal
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: machine and guys, they set the house lit up like
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse. I mean, guys, if you don't know what
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse is let me educate you. So where they
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: slaughter animals to make meat? Okay, you get that shit everywhere?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Blood sprays everywhere. For them to say it looks like
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: a slaughterhouse, that means blood sprayed everywhere. So we're talking
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to people, okay, I want to know. How is that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: not enough circumstantial evidence to at least arrest him, Take
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: him down to the precinct and sweat him, Lie to
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: him and tell him you've got DNA that you know
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: he did it. Do what you normally do. Light to
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: them to get him to do it now, Lady and
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Grace's could they get warrants for his phone and other tech?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely didn't see anywhere that they had. But I think
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: that's enough circumstantial evidence. Why else would somebody's home walls
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: look like a slaughterhouse. You're not bringing in a pig
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: in your house and slaughtering it to make bacon or
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: pork chops. You're not bringing a cow in and slaughtering
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it to make hamburger, mate or steak. There is no
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: effing reason why a home's walls should look like a slaughterhouse.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And if that is not enough to bring him in,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: where you lie to him and tell him you got DNA.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Then something is wrong with the system. Okay, just gonna
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: say it now. Authorities have also followed up on several
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: leads and tips, but none have led to conclusive answers. Oh, guys,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I have a dog trying to sneak in here because
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it's like negative fourteen windshill outs, so they want to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: come and hang out with me. Now, there has been
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: no activity on Susan's credit cards, phone, or social media
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: since she vanished. Guys, Evans prescriptions have not been refilled,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: and he needs these medications, and he missed an oral
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: surgery appointment that was scheduled shortly, you know, right after
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: he disappeared. And he was supposed to be starting his
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: sophomore year at Holtville High School in the fall. Guys,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: no other schools have requested his transcript transcripts Jerry Osborne. Now,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: law enforcement officials have conducted extensive searches in interviews, No
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: arrests have been made, no remains have been recovered. Now
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Jerry Osborne is considered a person of interest in the case,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: but he maintains his inness sense. Investigators do say they
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: believe foul play is involved. They do not think Susan
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: grabbed her son and took off with Evan. I mean,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: let's talk about the blood splatter again, oh, lady, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Gray asked, what about Jasper. So, Jasper is currently hanging
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: out in his crate on a knife soft cushy bed,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: and I take him out every now and then to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: go to the bathroom because he didn't like the cold
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: weather much and for some reason, he doesn't want to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: peeer poop out in the cold weather. He is a
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: very spoiled and pampered goat. Okay, So Now, at the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: time of their disappearance, Susan was forty two, brown hair
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and blue eyes. She is five foot three weighed one
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty pounds. Evan was fourteen, brown hair, blue eyes.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: He's five foot seven and weighs a high earn sixty pounds. Guys,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: As a mom who has two sons that are taller
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: than me, I love that Evan is five foot seven
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: at fourteen, and his poor mom is only side foot three.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I love everything about that. It's kind of cool to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: have to look up to your boys.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Jerry Osborne, as of twenty twenty four, lived about thirty
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: minutes from Holtville. Guys, sit down, hold on to your chair.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Jerry lives and is engaged to a woman that lives
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: with her and her small children. And guys, I just
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: have to say, lady, I do not know you. I
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: don't know your name. I couldn't find it. But if
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: you somehow see this or listen to it on the
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: podcast apps, please get the hell out while you still can.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: They do not change their spots. Okay. If they kill
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: one once, they will kill again. Okay. That I believe
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: is a fact. I don't know if it's a fact,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: but it's Terry's fact. So I want to offer to
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: you if you need help getting out. You can call
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: a local nonprofit to help, or you can send me
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: an email at Terry at tcwtmedia dot com, or you
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: can send me a private message on any of the
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: social media platforms. I will find you help. I will
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: help you get the hell out, Okay, So please, before
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I wind up having to do a case about you
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and your children. Now, another sad fact I want you
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to all remember is that Susan has a daughter and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: she's having to live each day wondering about what happened
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to her mom and her brother. So she is there
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: with her family and all the friends, going to bed
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: each night wondering where mom and her brother are and
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: what her stepfather did to them. Now, the district attorney Holteville,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Alabama not a fan of yours because he said they
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: cannot move forward with charges until they can find a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: body or someone calls and gives information that is verifiable
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: about what happened. Okay, district attorney, I know other district
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: attorneys have one cases without bodies and with circumstantial evidence
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: slaughter walls that much slaughter If that I mean, if
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I was sitting on the jury with all of that information,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I would be able to convict beyond a reasonable doubt. Okay,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt, Samy Sunshine. Just as do we
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: know if he have ever ever explained the house being
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: lit up? The police haven't said anything about that, and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: it hasn't been reported, So that's probably something I would
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: say they would probably keep close to their chest so
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: that the information could still be used in court. Now
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: I can tell you on True Crime and Wine Time,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: we have a retired law enforcement officer who's going to
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: be on this show. I think it's March thirteenth. We're
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: going to ask him some questions about why police have
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: to hold things closed to the chest. I speculate on why,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: especially in missing person cases. But I wish they would
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: give us more. But I want to implore anyone. This
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: district attorney says he needs more information. I don't know
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: if he needs us to give him a map. Maybe
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: if somebody loves to do PowerPoint present day, let's find
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: all the evidence. Maybe we do an FOIFOIA and get
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: as much information as we can. Maybe we need to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: put together a presentation and send it the district attorney.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can google what a body looks like
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: and put the body on the presentation. Because there's enough
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: there to take this guy in and sweat him. Take
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: him in there after so many hours. He's gonna tell you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can lie to him, break him down.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Gets bad cop, good cop? Come on, don't let me
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: tell you how to do your job. Okay, Now, I
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: want to ask anyone if you have information about the
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: disappearance of Susan Osborne and Evan Shartrad Shartrand, please contact
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: the Elmore County Sheriff's Office at three three four five
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: six seven five five four six because the district attorney
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: needs us to do their job. Okay, and apparently police probably,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, he probably is not talking to them because
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: he's gotten an attorney. He's refusing to talk. He has
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: that right, but you've got to be able to find
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: something you can charge him with. Okay, did he sell
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: her car without her permission? That would be something, right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, my brain is doing so many things, and
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: it's another one of those cases. If I have the time,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and if I live there, I would be wanting to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: investigate it. And yes, I am trying to find another
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: private investigation firm to finish getting my PI license because
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the firm I was going to go under the guy
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: has a major heart attack and he decided to close
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: his practice. So if any private investigators see this or
• 42:52
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• 42:55
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• 43:00
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• 43:03
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• 43:07
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• 43:13
  Speaker 1: apparently in Hopeville, Alabama, they need a little bit of help. Okay, now,
• 43:19
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• 43:21
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• 43:25
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• 43:27
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• 43:30
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• 43:36
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• 43:42
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• 43:45
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• 43:49
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• 43:52
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• 43:55
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• 43:59
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• 44:02
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• 44:06
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• 44:18
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• 44:22
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• 44:31
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• 44:33
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• 44:37
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• 44:39
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• 44:42
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• 44:46
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• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just someone's missing, but you want to contact law enforcement immediately.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: But if your child is missing and you think a
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: partner had something to do with it, that's partner you know,
• 45:01
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• 45:06
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• 45:11
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• 45:15
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• 45:19
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• 45:24
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• 45:30
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• 45:35
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• 45:39
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• 45:45
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• 45:52
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• 45:57
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• 46:01
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• 46:05
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• 46:12
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• 46:15
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• 46:18
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• 46:21
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• 46:27
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• 46:32
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• 46:36
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• 46:41
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• 46:48
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• 46:53
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• 46:56
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• 47:00
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• 47:05
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• 47:10
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• 47:12
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• 47:16
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• 47:22
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• 47:27
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• 47:30
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• 49:54
  Speaker 1: want to, end today but we're going to see if
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it'll let me in. The show we'll. Try, again. Bye guys.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Of the of, the theme the p