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Peak Fraud & Sherpa Shenanigans w/ Ginger Minj · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: Scal Come from Scam, Come Rob's frolla Goddess, What's pop
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  Speaker 1: and congregation?
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  Speaker 2: Is your girl?
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  Speaker 3: Lacey Mosley aka Scam Goddess back with another installment of
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  Speaker 3: the podcast all about robbery, fraud and those who practice it.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We will
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  Speaker 3: see along the way. I know some of you guys
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  Speaker 3: are gonna light that my voice sounds like this. I've
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  Speaker 3: been traveling, y'all. The Scam Goddess Live Tour was lit
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  Speaker 3: clearly because your girl can't even use her throat no more.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like how that sounded. But anyways, congregation, y'all
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  Speaker 3: already know I'm very what, yes, excited, thrilled related Today
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  Speaker 3: we have an icon on the shawl Honey. She is
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  Speaker 3: a drag legend and the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race
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  Speaker 3: All Stars ten. Last fall, she wrapped the hocus Pocus
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  Speaker 3: Live Tours North America, and not only did she start
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  Speaker 3: in it, but she also wrote, produced, and directed it.
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  Speaker 3: She authored her debut memoir Park Cookbooks, Southern Fried Sass No,
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  Speaker 3: That's right, And you've seen her on Netflix, Dublin Disney's
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  Speaker 3: hocus Pocus Too, and the feature The Legacy of Cloudy Falls.
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  Speaker 2: She's busy and.
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  Speaker 3: You'll be able to catch her in the newest funny film,
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  Speaker 3: marking the first ever theatrical feature from the RuPaul's Drag
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  Speaker 3: Race Universe. Stop that train, Yes, congregation, please welcome the Queen.
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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Hi Ginger, Hello, how are you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing wonderful. I'm clearly you are quite busy. I'm
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  Speaker 3: glad that we could grab you. I feel like you're well.
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  Speaker 4: I love being grabbed. I will take any opportunity I can.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like we had to grab you. I guess
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  Speaker 2: like we waited. We were never gonna see her.
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  Speaker 4: Well. I don't know. Some people think they seen me
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  Speaker 4: too much.
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  Speaker 2: So oh no, such thing. Not with you.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my go Congratulations on all of this wonderful work
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  Speaker 3: that you've been up to.
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  Speaker 4: It's just thank you. I mean I was I was
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  Speaker 4: raised where idle hands are the devil's work, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So I try to stay as booked, blessed and busy
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  Speaker 4: as possible.
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  Speaker 2: We share that in commons.
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  Speaker 4: I know I've been keeping up with you on the
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  Speaker 4: internet too. There's a reason that your voice sounds like that.
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  Speaker 3: Who I forgot It's an instrument and I was hooting
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  Speaker 3: and hollering.
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  Speaker 2: We was hooting hollowing.
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  Speaker 4: So much Jaez. Sometimes you got to use that instrument
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  Speaker 4: for good and bad.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Okay, listen, we're not even gonna get into that.
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  Speaker 2: But we asked.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone on this podcast now their opinions about scams or
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  Speaker 3: just things that are technically legal right now, but we
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  Speaker 3: don't know how we feel about them.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to ask you in this segment, is
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  Speaker 2: it a scam, is it a scheme, or is it
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  Speaker 2: a real thing?
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  Speaker 3: A scam thing something that should be illegal, and it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people are being ripped off. A scheme is
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  Speaker 3: like it feels a little, but people at the rest.
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  Speaker 2: Were just gon we's gont happen.
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  Speaker 3: And then a real thing is something that we think
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  Speaker 3: is like legit and we find some value in it.
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  Speaker 3: So those are the categories. So we're gonna get Ginger's
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  Speaker 3: opinions all throughout. So Ginger the first one, just because
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  Speaker 3: we're coming off of this season or maybe some of
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  Speaker 3: us are about to go to jail for this season.
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  Speaker 3: Myself included tax accountants, scam, scheme or real thing.
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  Speaker 4: I think a real thing, you know, as I've shifted
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  Speaker 4: tax brackets throughout my career. I don't think that I
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  Speaker 4: would have been able to navigate that without the know
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  Speaker 4: how and help from other people and believe I want.
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  Speaker 4: I am a cheap queen. I love beauty on a budget.
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  Speaker 4: I love a bargain. So I've tried to go online
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  Speaker 4: and do it myself, but I just get so confused.
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  Speaker 4: I can't figure it out. I need somebody to take
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  Speaker 4: me by the hand and say no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 4: this is what you do, right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I would have to agree.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously I have an accountant as well, But for me,
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  Speaker 3: it still feels kind of like a scheme because it's
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  Speaker 3: like a middleman that we created because we made the
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  Speaker 3: tax system so complicated. So okay, yes, they can make
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  Speaker 3: all of this money, Like there was supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: direct file Turbo tax. Lobbied against that hard body because
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  Speaker 3: they were like, oh, y'all can't just get on a
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  Speaker 3: government website and then get a government your tax money.
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  Speaker 3: You need us, you need nepulous jargon, you need the
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  Speaker 3: fear of Wesley Snight's jail hanging over the head, and
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  Speaker 3: like so we can get your money. Because I'm like
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  Speaker 3: it just it gives middleman and like, yes, when you
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  Speaker 3: get into a certain bracket and you start trying to
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  Speaker 3: hide assets, it makes a little more sense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, not hot assets, I mean just like you know,
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  Speaker 2: like you know what I meant, so.
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  Speaker 3: Like your eyelashes, But honestly, aren't you using them for work?
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  Speaker 2: Ginger?
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  Speaker 4: I am? I am? But that's the thing too, right
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  Speaker 4: Like when I started getting into this, I didn't know
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  Speaker 4: if I could write off eyelashes or what's the difference
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  Speaker 4: between writing off and eyelash and having a gown made
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  Speaker 4: or anything like that? You know. So it's like there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot of nuance to it. And I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: I think it is all created to feed into that system,
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  Speaker 4: to make us think we need them a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more than we actually do. So it could take more
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  Speaker 4: of the money, but I also know that I would
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  Speaker 4: be completely lost the guid to somebody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm literally having anxiety right now about it.
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  Speaker 4: Me too, Like so girl, and I am out of
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  Speaker 4: at a van right now. So let's.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, lord, is you just wanting to have to take
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  Speaker 3: deep breasts and a benager? Okay, you can't have anxiety
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  Speaker 3: when you sleep?
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  Speaker 4: Oh I got asthma. I can't take a deep breath
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  Speaker 4: if I wanted to.
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  Speaker 2: I have asthma too, It's okay.
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  Speaker 3: Mine is like only like allergy related though, like a
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  Speaker 3: cedar tree could kill me, which feels very sad because
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  Speaker 3: I was like super dead in the eighteen hundreds, Like
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  Speaker 3: a tree could kill me.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think we all would have been dead in
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  Speaker 4: the eighteen hundreds by now.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody wanted to make it.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't the life expectancy then, like you're your a twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like thirties.
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  Speaker 3: It was that's when people were like, let's go back
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  Speaker 3: to these old and turpentine treatments.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, do y'all not remember the life expectancy?
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  Speaker 4: No? No, No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm about to be
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  Speaker 4: forty two. I'm happy where I am. I feel like
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  Speaker 4: my life is actually finally starting, which I love.
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  Speaker 3: That's just something that I think that people don't talk
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  Speaker 3: about enough. It's like as you get older, things get easier.
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  Speaker 3: So for the most part, some things, O, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I think we understand them a little bit better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're seeing them before, so it's not as like jarring.
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  Speaker 3: You're not making the same decisions you made the first
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  Speaker 3: time you saw everything.
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  Speaker 2: Oh why ad So the next one.
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  Speaker 3: Scam scheme or real thing loyalty programs. So if you
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  Speaker 3: get like a little punch card, if you go somewhere
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  Speaker 3: the tenth ones free, or like airline loyalty, it could
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  Speaker 3: be any kind of loyalty programs.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think scam scheme a real thing?
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  Speaker 4: I think that it's a scheme. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 4: a scam. And I mean, I do you see the
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  Speaker 4: value in these programs because I have benefited from some
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  Speaker 4: of them, especially like you know, I'm a million miler
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  Speaker 4: Delta Platinum Medallion member and have been for years.
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  Speaker 2: Yea, I'm sure you got all the diamonds and rubies.
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  Speaker 4: But the problem with it is is that it's accessible
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  Speaker 4: to so many people that once everybody starts getting the
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  Speaker 4: same benefits, then they move the goalposts again. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: then nobody gets them and you have to start working
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  Speaker 4: even harder to reach what you already had. So it
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  Speaker 4: feels like it's this endless cycle of you can have this,
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  Speaker 4: but you have to keep working harder for it. You
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  Speaker 4: got to give us more, and we're going to give
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  Speaker 4: you less.
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  Speaker 3: And we're going to get into that exact point and
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  Speaker 3: a second with the next one, but to hop back onto.
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  Speaker 2: Like the loyalty programs.
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  Speaker 3: Just in general, I find that they're also so emotionally
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  Speaker 3: manipulated because it's like, I have brand loyalty to this company,
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  Speaker 3: and so then when I'm like locked in to like
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  Speaker 3: you know, whatever this punch card is or whatever this
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  Speaker 3: little letter on my flight chair is or whatever the
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  Speaker 3: hell you know, I get perks for you know, only
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  Speaker 3: shopping here. Then when a better deal is a rhyme
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  Speaker 3: like around, I'll go for the more expensive place because
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, well, this is where I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 3: my points. But it's like this is cheaper, I should
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  Speaker 3: probably go with the cheaper thing and just not be loyal.
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  Speaker 4: See, and I'm the girl that will always go with
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  Speaker 4: the cheaper thing. I don't care how loyal I've been
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  Speaker 4: to you. The only place that I think I'm like
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  Speaker 4: legit loyal loyal to because of the loyalty card is
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  Speaker 4: Wah Wah. I love Waha. You can get anything there,
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  Speaker 4: and their loyalty program actually like really works because if
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  Speaker 4: you have the little card. I mean, I'm a smoker.
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  Speaker 4: I know I got asthma, I know I got problems,
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  Speaker 4: but I do smoke, and I get. I just count
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  Speaker 4: on my cigarettes every time I buy them. There, I
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  Speaker 4: get free coffee one day a week.
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  Speaker 2: What sill do you live in?
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  Speaker 4: I'm in Orlando.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, cause I was about to say, you just
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  Speaker 2: got wabas are.
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  Speaker 4: Like we do well and but the thing about that
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  Speaker 4: is they all popped up like overnight about a decade
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  Speaker 4: and maybe a decade and a half ago. We had
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  Speaker 4: heard about them for years, saw my TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and then like.
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  Speaker 4: One popped up and then within six months they were everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that. I love wa wah gotta have
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  Speaker 4: a wah wah. But I do feel like, out of
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  Speaker 4: all of the rewards programs I've ever been a part of,
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  Speaker 4: that's the one that actually seems to benefit me every time.
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  Speaker 3: Ginger for being so glamorous, it's very very funny to
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  Speaker 3: me that she's like the only one I got is
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  Speaker 3: wah wah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean I get my Sphora.
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  Speaker 3: Like vib Sopora. I thought you were going to points.
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  Speaker 4: I do get my Ulta points, and I go to
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  Speaker 4: both of those, of course for like different things. I
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  Speaker 4: don't notice she and count as a fashion house.
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  Speaker 2: I mean technically it's a house and they are making something.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're making fools of all of us. It's what
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  Speaker 4: you're doing. Now, that's a scam right there. That's the
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  Speaker 4: scam where they post the most beautiful picture in the
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  Speaker 4: world and you know, in your head, you're like, there
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  Speaker 4: is no way I am getting this catore gown full
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  Speaker 4: of ostrich feathers and rhyme stones for eleven ninety five.
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  Speaker 4: But there's that part of your brain that goes, maybe
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  Speaker 4: just maybe this is the one time. No, it is
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  Speaker 4: never the time.
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  Speaker 2: That in the factory, like they just really ate that up.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they had a good day, they had extra rimest.
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  Speaker 4: They just went no, they did not ever.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like I get it when people are buying
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  Speaker 3: T shirts are very very tight dresses or whatever, you know, stuff,
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  Speaker 3: there's I get that stuff. But when there is something
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  Speaker 3: that I'm looking at it, I'm like the quality and
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  Speaker 3: the time it would take to make this, Like you
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  Speaker 3: should have known better.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah all right, I mean, at least I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you're gonna ai the image that you give us.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, at least make it a little more realistic.
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  Speaker 4: Just just type in your prompt, like make it good
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  Speaker 4: but not too good. But make it if we're charging
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  Speaker 4: eleven ninety five, maybe make it look like we should
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  Speaker 4: have charged.
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  Speaker 3: I can't you just go back to the old fashion
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  Speaker 3: waves and like go get a picture from the real
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  Speaker 3: website and they pretend that that's yours. We don't need
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  Speaker 3: to use AI to do crime, dude, I want to
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  Speaker 3: get back on the old fashion wave.
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  Speaker 4: We don't need to use AI or anything exactly. And
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  Speaker 4: I love the times that people use AI to like
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  Speaker 4: generate images of me. I always look like I always
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  Speaker 4: look like a seventy year old Hispanic woman.
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  Speaker 2: Now they made you look like you're Linda southdi bar
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  Speaker 2: that's not right.
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  Speaker 4: Well yeah, but there are a time, I mean, and
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  Speaker 4: sometimes it's like really beautiful and I can see like okay,
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  Speaker 4: maybe that's my eye or maybe that's my cheek or
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  Speaker 4: my lips or whatever. But there are other times where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what does what does this artificial intelligence think
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  Speaker 4: I am? What does it think I look like?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it'll combine a lot of different images into one.
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  Speaker 3: So that's why it ends up looking very strange, because
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  Speaker 3: it's reaching out from different like photo sources and putting
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  Speaker 3: them all into one face.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it's like super weird.
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  Speaker 4: It's always weird. And that's the thing. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 4: don't I don't see like the benefit of it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there's no benefit.
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  Speaker 3: It's killing the planet and it's starting to create like
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  Speaker 3: heat like areas where things are drying out and wildlife
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  Speaker 3: is like not being able to find it.
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  Speaker 4: Killing the planet. It is yeah, myself esteem.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, all of us as it's killing. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: it's not like we were already not getting dumber. And
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  Speaker 3: George Bush said he was gonna leave us behind and
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  Speaker 3: he definitely did. He was like, and now you got
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  Speaker 3: AI slapping chatt making it even worse.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody wants to know anything anymore.
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  Speaker 4: No, and the the like, the biggest part about that
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  Speaker 4: is like you use it without even realizing it. Most
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  Speaker 4: of the time. It's like, oh yeah, I'll go in
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  Speaker 4: and do a Google search. I had to learn, like
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  Speaker 4: months after it started happening, you have to hit to
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  Speaker 4: disable the AI prompts for it because I'm going in
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  Speaker 4: and I'm doing Okay, who was this actor that was
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  Speaker 4: in this movie? And then all of a sudden, it's
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  Speaker 4: like this whole AI generated dossier on this one person
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  Speaker 4: where they were born, How they live what their personal
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  Speaker 4: beliefs are. In every movie I've ever been in my Girl,
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  Speaker 4: I just wanted to know the name of that actor.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and now it's in our emails too.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna email be like, Okay, they talk about some
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  Speaker 3: some money something something Tuesday something, some availability. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't tusk you to summarize this. I was gonna
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  Speaker 3: open the email.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, last scam schemeer real thing? Oh, Spirit Airlines?
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  Speaker 4: Like, just in general, was.
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  Speaker 2: It a real thing?
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  Speaker 3: Now that she's gone on to that, that's now she's
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  Speaker 3: become a spirit.
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  Speaker 4: She's become a spirit. I don't. I mean I certainly
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  Speaker 4: think that it's a real thing. I mean it had
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  Speaker 4: its benefits. I utilized it sometimes. But the problem, okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's a scheme. I'll go with scheme. Okay, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: go with scheme because while I mean, yes, if you
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  Speaker 4: just need a quick flight and you've got the clothes
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  Speaker 4: on your back and that's all you need to get
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  Speaker 4: to and from where you want to go, that's fine
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  Speaker 4: for your forty five dollars flight. But whenever you purchase
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  Speaker 4: that forty five dollars flight and you show up with
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  Speaker 4: your personal overnight bag or a checked luggage, and you
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  Speaker 4: start realizing there's different rules than every other airline, right,
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  Speaker 4: so your bag can't be fifty pounds, it has to
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  Speaker 4: be forty pounds, and instead of charging you a certain
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  Speaker 4: amount like other airlines do for any overages, you're getting
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  Speaker 4: charged almost double what you would be just to check
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  Speaker 4: that bag on a regular airline or taking back in
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  Speaker 4: the day a Southwest flight where you get your two
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  Speaker 4: bags free or whatever. So then you get on and
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  Speaker 4: you're like, okay, can I have a diet coke? And
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  Speaker 4: they go, well, yeah, but you got to pay for that.
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  Speaker 4: Or can I use the bathroom? Yeah? Put the quarter
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  Speaker 4: in the slot on the side of the door before
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  Speaker 4: you go the.
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  Speaker 3: Seatbelt, Yeah, you got twenty dollars seatbelt exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what it felt like the few times I
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  Speaker 4: took Spirit or Allegiant or any of the budget airlines.
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  Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, I see what purpose this serves, but
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  Speaker 4: I also see how once I am on board and
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  Speaker 4: I am a captive audience, I cannot escape giving you
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  Speaker 4: more money to where I'm actually paying as much, if
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  Speaker 4: not more than I would have just to take a
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  Speaker 4: Delta or some other airline that was a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more expensive.
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  Speaker 3: Now, see, I agree with everything that you're saying. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why it's so conflicting because it is a scheme
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  Speaker 3: where like it's almost like sky lailway, like okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: your ticket was thirty nine dollars, but then when you
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  Speaker 3: get there, they're like, you better be wearing all the
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  Speaker 3: clothes you wearing on the trip on your body right now,
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  Speaker 3: and it better not.
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  Speaker 4: Weigh too much because I can encroaches on the seat
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  Speaker 4: next to you. We are going to charge you for that.
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  Speaker 2: We will weigh you.
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  Speaker 3: You want to put you on the baggage way too,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: to see how much clotheing you got on. Absolutely, And
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: also what it did too was it discompartmented all of
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: these different things that used to just be included in
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: one ticket price, which wouldn't like in a way was
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: really great for people who couldn't afford like really expensive flights,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: had never taken a flight before, maybe last minute flight
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: for bereavement or whatever. Now these people could be like
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: I could just go with the clothes on my back.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: You know, if I'm cool with.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Getting under the plane with the luggage, I can get
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: there for twenty two dollars, like, you know, like they
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: gave you some options, right, But then the issue is that, yes,
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I democratized air travel for people who couldn't afford it,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: and I thought that was really beautiful. That's kind of sad,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: especially because Spirit had never had an injury, like they've
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: never anybody die on any of their flights, which I
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: think is amazing. So seeing seventeen thousand employees just lose
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: their jobs like some of them in the sky is
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: really sad.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: It is very sad. I mean, that's a whole other story, right.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: So I think the service was a scheme because you know,
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: if you went to the Spirit ticket counter, they everybody
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: who goes to that counter is having the worst day
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: of their life.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: So at that point I.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Was convinced they was giving the employees xanax or something
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: because everybody was so chill. You couldn't tell the Spirit
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: employee nothing that was gonna rough for them.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: You could be like, there's a gun in my back
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: They'd be like, okay, so is you and the gun
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: men coming on the flight or yeah.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: And the gun is going to be an extra fifty okay?
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Is that okay? Okay? They didn't not give a fuck.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: But also other big airlines started to do what they
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: were doing, Like they started to be like, oh, well,
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna American Airlines was the first one.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: We're gonna charge for bags. Oh now like oh, the
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: drinks are gonna be separate.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Now. Delta has three different accounts. They have two, no,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: three different economies.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: I think there's like Economy Basic, then there's Economy Regular,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: and then there's a Comfort plus and well plus.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: They have the Gotta get Away fares which are basic
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: economy lowest base price. But it doesn't include anything. You
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: can't there's no insurance with it. You can't flight if
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: you have to, you can't get miles. Yeah, it's like
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: it sets such a bad example really, and of course
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: everybody else starts going well, I mean there's still at
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: that point, still in business, so it's working. I guess
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: we can start doing it too. But then what other
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: airlines don't I guess realize is that you're not starting
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: at that base forty nine dollars.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Ticket, right, noll charge?
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: I mean, well, I mean, well, I guess, but they're
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: charging you know, a couple hundred bucks for these basic
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Gotta get Away fares that include nothing, and you've got
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: to add on to it and add onto it that
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: at that point, it's like I could have bought just
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: a first class flight and gotten all this stuff for
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: free at this point, plus a meal.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: But I think their hope is is that if you
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: are like most Americans living check to check, then like
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: maybe we didn't have the whole shabou yah in the beginning,
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: so you pay a little by little they nickel and
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: dimed you. But they studied spirits like their customer base,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: to see how much they could get away with with
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: all of us. And now that's why I feel like
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that's the biggest scheme, because flights are ridiculous. Like when
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Spirit went out of business in the sky, I was
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: on my way to the airport. All of a sudden,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: curiously my flight was canceled by Delta, and then all
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: the other flights that I could get on were way
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: but twice the price. Really, yes, Southwest Airlines went up.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: This is a flight from San Francisco to LA one
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: way four hundred.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Dollars No, no, man, Yes, because I was.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: In the airport when Spirit was like Spirit like it left.
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it caught the Spirit.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: It caught the Spirit in the holigos and left us
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: left these vultures. And but yeah, like I say, Spirit
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: is a scheme too, because the customer service was trash
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: and Nicola Diamond. People to death is also asked. But
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: at the same time, it did open up air travel
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: for people. So Rip Spirit.
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I remember like before I was on
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Drag Race. I mean I've been doing drag for twenty
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: five years now, and it was like, I'm glad you
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: think so. But there were there was like at least
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: a good decade that I was traveling on my own
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: dime to go and do pageants and go do out
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: of state bookings that weren't close enough for me to
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: drive to. And Allegiant Air, which is basically Spirit without
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: the big yellow signs, they run a little airport out
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: of Sanford. So I was like, well, I guess for
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: you know that extra thirty minute time for me to
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: drive over there, it's worth taking this twenty nine dollars
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: flight to go where I have to go. But then
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: when you're traveling with DRAG, I started realizing, oh my god,
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I'm literally paying an extra one hundred and fifty dollars
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: just to get all of the things that I need,
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: back and forth with me.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you got wigs, you gotta make up. I
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: don't know why I thought you could travel light.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: No, but it did in certain times.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Gives me the wig alone is gonna get running like
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: one hundred dollars.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, It is very true. It is true.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: But there were those moments that I had no other option,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: and it was basically a lay away plan for me
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: because I knew, oh, if I buy my tickets for
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: these next six gigs on the fourth of July when
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: they used to do those fourteen dollars each way or
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: whatever it was, yeah, I would just I would just
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: stack up my flights and then save up my money, going, Okay,
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: I know it's gonna be another one hundred and fifty dollars,
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: but it's not one hundred and fifty dollars I have
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: to spend right now, and I know I'm gonna be
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: able to get there. So pluses and minuses, but definitely
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: a scheme.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Scarce God, let's get it to historic hoodwis. This is
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: where I will regale Ginger with a famous concaper group
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of criminals. We'll get our veins all throughout and today
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: we're going to be talking about a sky high twenty
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: million dollar fraud scheme. So hiking guides, helicopter companies, and
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: hospitals near Mount Everest have been poisoning foreign climbers to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: trigger pricey rescues and collect on their travel insurance.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: So this is everes Oh, I'm familiar with Expedition Everest
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: at Animal Kingdom at Disney. That's actually my only frame
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: of reference for this. It's very similar, raight.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I've never looked at this mountain and been like,
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: what's it like to be on top?
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I don't give me.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: No, no, I don't give a shit. I know I'm
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: not a nature girl in the first place. Like it
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: takes a lot to get me outdoors, mostly because of
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: my allergies and the sun and literally everything trying to
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: kill you all at one, oh.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Hike, Like as long as you know, it's like a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: little bit flat, you know. And also I'm not camping.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not sleeping outside like my ancestors fought way too hard.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: Why why the hell would I go cosplay? Like not
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: having a home, that's why.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Would you glamp?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: See? To me? Then it's like.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: We're one step away from just being in a house
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: like a cabin in the woods, Like why does it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: need to be why does it need to be tiny
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: and uncomfortable if we're if it's gonna already be nice
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: and in the woods.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Okay, I will concede that. But there are some moments
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: in my life where I have never found the kind
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: of solitude that I have, like in a pop up
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: camper in the middle of the woods, like just by myself.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: And I know that's like that's super weird to say
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: out loud sometimes and hear it because it sounds like, oh,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you're just begging to be murdered in the middle of
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: the woods.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Oh no, people who are doing murders, they gotta be
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: in high traffic areas.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Do you know how long you'd have to wait to get.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: You a murder if you was in the woods, like
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: just be standing behind a tree like, oh, I god,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: damn it, that's a.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: Squirrel, right, Well, maybe it would murder me. I don't
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: just keep waiting.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so you find solitude in the camper and
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: like resting.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and by yourself, either by myself or like with
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: my husband, or it's not something that I will I
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: don't want to put out the idea that I am
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: like this mountain woman and I just go out there
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: and camp all the time. This has been very select
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: times throughout my life. I could count on one hand
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: how many times I've done it. But I do see
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: like the intrigue, and like how it is good for
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: the spirit sometimes to be a whole spirit. We're always
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: bringing it back. But how it could be good for
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: you just to like be in that solitude. But no,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: it's not something that I would want to be in
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: all the time. And I would not want to have
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: to hike to the top of a cold, snowy mountain
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: No, And it's so dangerous, it's really expensive, it's bad
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for the environment, and it's like eight thousand meters above
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: sea level. Mount Everest is the highest point on Earth.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: That cloud attracts a lot of climbers and some people
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: who know what they're doing, and many who do not.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say most probably don't.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna like wager a bet to say no they don't, right.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I mean, I jump into things I don't know how
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: to do all the time. That's kind of how I
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: ended up here. Twenty five years later, as a drag
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: queen jumped into it, didn't know anything about it. But
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's a little bit different than saying I'm
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: gonna take this backpack full of beef jerky and climb
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: to the top of the highest point in the world.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Ginger.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like the next time I see you, it's
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: gonna be an ad for like you sponsoring ARII.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I only know what ARII is simply because when I
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: was filming All Stars six, I could look out of
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: my It was during like the height of COVID, so
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: we had to quarantine for ten days in our hotel
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: rooms and like couldn't leave them, and the only thing
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: I could see out of my hotel room was this
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: ari like ARII, and I didn't have a phone to
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: look up what the hell it was, So everybody that
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: would come by, like anytime the pas would come by
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: and be like, Hey, what is ri I? What is it?
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: And nobody could tell it took a week for me
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: to get that info. That's the only reason I know
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: what ARII is.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I love that all these queens were like, what is
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: ari I?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: My producer suggested a collab, maybe Patagonia and Gucci that's Patagucci.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Patagucci.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Er, yes, I like you.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So when the climbers are doing this, obviously they're encountering
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: like really harsh obstacles like altitude, sickness, weather and wind
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: and frostbite and avalanches and koomboo.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: That's ice ball. It's like a glacier.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sliding about one meter down the side of
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: the mountain every day. So you know, also just like
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: ice knives.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like frozen right, exactly like frozen.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: So Ever, a summit has one third the air pressure
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that exists at sea level, which reduces a human's ability
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: to breathe in enough oxygen.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: And also getting drunk faster.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: If you're ever in a mountainous area, you should really
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: watch it if you're trying to get your drink on,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: because you'll get lit faster.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: I heard years ago, like when I first started traveling
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: after my first season of Drag Race, one of the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: other queens told me on the flight she was like, well,
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: this back when I drank. I don't drink anymore. But
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: she was like, hey, you experience things like at such
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: a heightened level when you reach your cruising altitude, so
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: you should always drink drink more before you hit up there.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: That way, you don't have to drink anymore because you're
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: already drunk and it's gonna stay that way. Don't watch
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: sad movies because you're gonna cry harder. Like this was
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: something that I don't know what the actual facts behind me, right,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: but there were things where I was like, oh, that
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: kind of does make and because I used to wait
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: till I got up there to drink, and then I
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: would drink when I usually drink on the ground, and
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: it was hitting me ten times harder, right, And then
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I watched I watched Coco. I watched Coco on the
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: airplane and.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Following the instructures that you were given while I was
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: testing the hypothesis. I like that a scientist, I am
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: a scientist, all of a sudden ginger. She's in a
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: white trench coat.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Don't know where it came from. I don't know where
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: it came from, but I love it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: My hair and a messy bun with pencils.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: With so many pencils, because that's how you know you're
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: doing science. It's like you really need to reach for
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: the pencil so fast. Science so people cannot survive indefinitely
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: above nineteen thousand feet, so you have a limited amount
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of time before your organs stop working and you die.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: You know what you're doing like a hobby, is like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: we gotta hurry you up before our organs stop working
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: then we die.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had that conversation, but now
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: it will be at the forefront of my mind.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be so much fun.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Well, we gotta hurry up, though, y'all, because otherwise candy failure. Okay,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: we get just said. Maybe you shouldn't do shows up there, Ginger,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like Mount Everest wanted you.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: Well, maybe just like like a pop up number, a
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: hot spot, like.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: A helicopter, like for.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: Oh girl, I could do the whole h Diana Ross
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: when she came down in the helicopter. Yes, but then
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: just keep going, never stopped. Don't stop. It's a cat
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: up stop.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Uh Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Since a Nepalese Indian climbing guide and an English mountaineer
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: first got to the top of Everest seventy years ago,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: more than three hundred people have died on the mountain,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: and more than two hundred of their bodies are still
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: up there.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Frozen in time.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, we all know about Green Boots, the landmark
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Green Boots.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: There's also Sleeping Beauty.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: There's some other ones I've heard of, but like, what's
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: wild to me is like I don't want to go
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: anywhere where a mile marker is a dad man's shoes.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: No, No, I don't.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's are the damd man's shoes. That means we're
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: on the right track, and I don't. I think we're
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: on the wrong track.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Exact. You see that, I mean, you see how it
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: worked out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: For them, right, for Green Boots, for Sleeping Beauty, like
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: please so and Green Boots has been lying at the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: top of the North Face for almost thirty years because
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: it's too dangerous to bring Green Boots down, which is
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: really sad. But like people, people show Green Boots a
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: lot of respect when they're climbing the mountain and stuff.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: I think the most respect would be just not climbing
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: a mountain.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: But here we are.
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I heed the warning.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: The only reason I know what north Face is is
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: because of the clothing brand same.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I never even knew it was a reference to a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: side of a mountain.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I didn't either, I had no clue, but look, we're
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: learning everything.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: We are learning. It just sounded very like outdoorsy.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: So I was like, yeah, the north face, I'd like
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: like a like a a compass.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh sure, yeah, we'll go with compass.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's where I was going. But clearly I just.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Thought like maybe, like when you walk out and you
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: don't have a compass, you just turn your face until
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: the sun hits it. You're like, mae, we'll walk that
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: way because you walk into the light. But now that
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: I think about that, and like maybe these people did
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: walk into the light and that's why they are now
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: mile markers. Oh no, girl.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: That was really whimsical way of thinking of it, though.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Ginger though, I thought it just turned your face to
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: the light and that was how the north faced.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow, No, don't ever follow me anywhere except on
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: the internet because I will probably lead us into peril.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: Same same, I just walk really fast and then people
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: think I know where I'm going, but I don't.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: My mom always just said move with purpose.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: Never be walking around like you don't know where you're going,
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: so I'll be lost, but just walking like real determined
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: mm hmm.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: Oh. I've lived in Orlando for most of my life now,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: probably almost thirty years I've been in Orlando, and I
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: can still get lost. I mean, in all fairness, they
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: change our highways every single day because it's been this
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: construction project that they've been under since I moved here.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: But there's so many days that I will just keep
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: driving around and the people in my car like, do
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: you know where we're going? You said you lived fifteen
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: minutes from the airport. I mean, yeah, I'm just I'm
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: showing you the town. I'm just I'm showing you all
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: the beautiful things that we have the offer here. They're like, really,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: because we've passed that seven eleven fifteen times.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Well, I really wanted you to appreciate it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah it is. Then you just make up fact like
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: that is the world's largest seven eleven with the oldest
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: slurpee that ever existed.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And one time Reba went there, so.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was today and we're going to meet her.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was Okay, I love this ginger.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Just take the handy up even.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: More, go keep going, Bob.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: And run. It costs between like fifty and eighty thousand
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: dollars to climb Everest, so you know, we're all doing it.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: We're taking our spirit flights to Nepal and then we
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: happened all everes like everybody else. So the sherpas, they
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: get paid around four thousand dollars per climbing season, plus
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: tips and bonuses that they make it to the top.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: And if you get stuck, I need a rescue, it'll
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: cost you the climber, right, So four thousand dollars per
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: climbing season to risk your life as a sherpa, to
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: take privileged people up a mountain that they have no
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: business climbing, where you carry all their stuff and clean
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: up after them and help them do everything. You get
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: four thousand. It costs fifty to forty thousand dollars to
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: do it, and you're giving them four thousand a season.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: That's not even a climb.
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: No, that's agreed, ass, that's really bad.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I'm come on on the sherpace shide.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: No, come on the tour guide side, because y'all ripping
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: these people off my life every time I climb.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: No, especially since you are solely responsible for these people
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: who do not have the qualifications to even start this climb.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Right, Like, if they're lucky, they'll be able to successfully
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: do this once and successfully get down.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: You've been running up.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: This bitch every day like like it's like the grocery store,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: like like I gotta get some coffee.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Let me climb.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Ever, it's real, it's on the other side of Everage. No,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it's fast if I just climb over Everest and then
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: get the coffee like you have on the south face. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: it's on the south face. So y'all ain't ben the
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: south face coffee.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Oh it's good, Oh, so good, It's so good.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: I'll be back in the hour. We like these people
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: might do this wants and not die. Please, if your
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: life is in my.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: Hands, it should be worth a little bit more to
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you than four thousand dollars for the season.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: This is like if you're really cheap when you hire babysitters.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: I've never understood that those are your kids. You can't
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: be riddy too much discount on who watches your kids.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: No, No, I mean just my fur baby is just
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: my dogs. It's a vetting process. And if your price
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: is too low, I don't trust you because from the
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: jump just becuse like why are you undercutting everybody else?
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Why do you want this? I understand you're trying to
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: build your business. But if this is the going rate
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: for something and you are so severely under that, what's
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: wrong with you?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Yes, giving too good to be true?
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: It is, And I am one of those too good
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: to be true people for sure. Like I always try
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: to see the glasses half full, but so many times
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: somebody's picked that up and dumped it out right in
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: front of me.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: Right, And that's how you say nothing jumped it out.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: That's how you keep from getting scammed. So I'm with you, Ginger.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: So helicopter rescues for flying a rescue helicopter into thin
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: air and dangerous weather, it's you know, very difficult, which
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: is why it can cost from five thousand to ten
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: thousand dollars depending on where you are. So if you're
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: on the north face on the south face, we don't
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: know at the coffee shop at the coffee shop. So
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: that's why you need travel insurance. Depending on which insurance
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: company use and how much coverage you want, that could
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: be between seventy dollars and fifteen thousand dollars. I feel
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: like I'm not gonna go with the seventy dollars. Life
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: insurance for Mount Everest feels love.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: No, No, The only thing they're preserving at that point,
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: are your shoes right?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: It's given remains, It's not given. I'm gonna come down.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: So about a thousand people attempt to get to the
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: top of Everest, and nearly one hundred thousand visitors travel
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: to the Everest for hiking each year, so they go
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: just to like hang out.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But they're not really trying to do the real thing.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: So like a hundred thousand people go slide and take
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: some pictures, and then a thousand people are like, we're
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: climbing up this bitch, okay, And like Everest has a
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: rule too, like you can't like I guess you can
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: always lie and say you climbed Everest, but apparently you're
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: supposed to like get up there, take a picture, like
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: you have to do all this stuff for them to
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: officially recognize that you climbed it, because people would like
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: not make it all the way or you know, probably
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: hanging out at the summit and they were like, yeah,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I climbed every I mean there.
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: Are rules in place when you do eating challenges or restaurants,
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: like you want that, yeah, if you want that free
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: T shirt, then you definitely have to show people that
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: you ate five pounds of food in twenty five minutes
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: before you get your picture taken and put on the water.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Like there are little things that for something a little
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: less dangerous as climbing mountain.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Ever, they were like, there will be no stolen valor
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: no like you can eat.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: Make it if you make it to the top of
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: Mount Everest. I would think you would want the picture anyway, right, Yeah, yeah,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: So I ain't gonna trust nobody that said that they
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: did it and then didn't show a picture.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: That's true, Sea, Sure it didn't happen. Picture didn't happen.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: But also like, give me a give me a good photoshop.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: We could really devalue going to Everest if we all
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: just started posting that we were.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: There hashtag I climbed Everest.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Let's do that hashtag? Ever is so easy?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Ever, so easy? Stop at the coffee shop on the
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: side of face Me.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: And all my homegirls be going to Everest. Girls trip girls,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: trap girl trip to Everest.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we never coming back. That's worse than the Miami Ones.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: So mountaineering generates a significant source of revenue for Nepal,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: which is home to eight of the ten tallest peaks
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: in the world. So Nepaul got autumn mountains and climbing
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: fees bring in more than five million dollars per year,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: and so a bunch of foreign tourists with money to
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: burn arrive in like harsh unforgiving landscapes they've never been
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: to before, and they're a pretty good target for a scale.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say so.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: So it turns out efforts hiking guides have been triggering
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: those expensive helicopter rescues when they're not necessary, either by
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: giving the tourists an upset stomach on purpose or by
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: faking the rescue all together. So the ones who are
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: given the upset stomach, I feel like you're getting a
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: little risky here. Yeah, like maybe, like cause you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: remember we don't got a lot of time before our
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: organs shut down. I feel like messing with somebody's organs
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: to get them on a helicopter is a little.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Too sketchy for me.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: But the people who just completely staged it, Oh, I'm
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: on your side.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: You were like, no, you're not making it. We need
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: a rescue. You're like, no, I feel good. I feel
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: like we can still do this. No, no, no, you're telling it.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: He's like, oh, you look peaking to me right now,
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I can see three.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Oh oh oh, your skin, your skin is getting that
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: everese blue. Yeah, we gotta get chatty. You just gaslight
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: the people into getting on the helicopter.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's amazing. Poisoning them a little too risky
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: That is a little too risky, especially since, like just
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: from a sanitary aspect, I'm going to assume there are
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: not bathrooms up and down the side of the mountain.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Now you got to take your bathroom bucket with you,
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: and you got to take it back down all your
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: poops thing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: What is glamorous about this? I'm walking around with all
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: my poops on me.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: In a bucket. No, none of that sounds good. Like
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: not that I was on the fence about doing this
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: in the first place, but I genuinely don't see the
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: appeal in it other than simply for bragging rights at
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: that point. But there's so many other things you can
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: do in this world to get fabulous bragging rights that
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: you don't have to. Like, girl, go eat the five
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: pounds of food in forty five.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Minutes and ILL treat that just like Everest, Like this
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: is like you can just be just as insufferable at
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: dinner parties.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Exactly, well even more, and you'll probably still end up
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: with the bathroom issues with the upset stomach before your
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: organs shut down.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: My producer just just called them ego trips. Yeah, I
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: think that's what they are. I'm like, you got to
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: you gotta go on an ego maniac vacation, Like, what's
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: wrong with you?
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I have my whole life, I've been obsessed with Titanic, Like,
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: outside of Wizard of Our stuff, I've I won't say
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I've loved the story of the Titanic, but I'm fascinated
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: by it, and then with the titan submersible and everything
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: that happened with that. Yes, it feels very Yeah, it
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: feels a lot like this in the sense that like
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: you're going somewhere where you're not really supposed to be,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: You're not built to go there, And it feels like,
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: you know, with the the people that have been lost
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: on Everest on their way up and you can still
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: see them and their boots and all that kind of stuff.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: It feels a lot of the same. Going the opposite
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: way under the ocean for the Titanic stuff, like it
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: just bothers me from a human aspect, like, why do
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: you find you can appreciate something so much and have
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: reverence and respect for it? But what do you get
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: out of trudging along those same footsteps, doing the same
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: things and expecting a different outcome? Do you think you're smarter?
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Do you think you're better? I think it's disrespectful.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree, and I think that is the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: ego of it all.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, I know that I'm gonna be better than
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: this person. I can achieve this thing. I think that's
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: why we all keep reaching for new heights in certain arenas,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: because it's like, oh no, we'll be able to do it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Me personally, I don't really enjoy how much they try
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: to send people opt out of space, like we have
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: so much. I know there's some techno logical developments with
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: satellites and things like that that work for us here
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: down on Earth, But a lot of times he's be
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: vanity bullshit trips to the stratosphere, and I'm like, I
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: don't really.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: Do not take astronaut Katie Perry's name in base.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: Katy Perry is crazy.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: It is for her what it was nine minutes in
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: space or whatever it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Was right in the stratosphere.
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: In the stratosphere, I'm like, what, but what did we
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: get from that? What was the point of that other
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: than for the rest of the world to now forever
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: call her astronaut Katy Perry?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Right, it's giving.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos has really just been giving money laun during
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: these days.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I'm like the Millennia movie, the like, Hey, y'all want
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: to go to space real quick for five.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Minutes, and we'll spend like hundreds of millions of dollars,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Like bezeos, what cartel are you involved with? Because it's
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: given the money has gotten too large and you gotta
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: get rid of it anyway.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: You can't anyway.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've got he could just send some of it.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: You could just start sending it out to us if
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: you wanted to. You don't have to like buy the
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: whole Metgalo this year. You could just flow to some
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: of it to us. I give an invoice, Jeff, I got.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Hella invoicesh exactly, or just reimburse some of the things
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: that I've had to purchase off of Amazon over the years.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: What about three million dollars? And I shine you a
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: cueball head, I give it to shine up.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: Right, oh, okay, we can write that off, so SHERPA
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: insurance fraud. Speaking of fraud, multiple operators and managers from
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: rescue companies were arrested for this insurance fraud scheme in January.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: The guys used different strategies to trigger helicopter evacuations, including
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: faking medical emergencies, spiking the food with large amounts of
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: baking powder, which upsets your stomach in a similar way
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: to altitude sickness.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Oh no, don't totally, which is that it's.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: Not a recommendation out there, y'all, But baking power isn't
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: toxic when used in cooking or bacon, but it does
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: contain sodium bicarbonate and acid, and if you dump a
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: large amount in your food, it will cause like an overdose.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: The symptoms are thirst, abdominal pain, severe vomiting, and diarrhea.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: So the main symptoms of altitude sickness are also vomiting, nausea, headache,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: can be diarrhea. So it was easy to have a
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: baking powder overdose and say that's everest for you got
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: to call that helicopter now, mister war Books, which way, okay, Lisa,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: was something that's not like super poisoness.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: This baking powder.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, in my head when you first brought it up,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: I thought it was gonna be like the all x
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: lax move.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where there's something.
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like that's probably a little more dangerous,
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: even though I look like when I am not a scientist,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: I took my hair down, get rid of the pencils. Pencils,
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: they're back in the jar. But like, even though I'm
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: not a scientist, I would kind of think that if
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: you're like literally like shitting your brains out on the
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: side of a mountain, it's probably going to dehydrate you
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: and be a lot worse for your inner organs than
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: what you get from the baking powder.
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you, And I mean other hikers
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: were given like medications with excess amounts of water to
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: trigger symptoms. Some tuckers even got sick duty eating uncooked
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: chicken or rat droppings. Oh okay, y'all put now why
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: y'all putting rat poop pool up and in it?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Ratoo? No, No, I'm only with the theatrical Sharpa who.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Was just like you're dying, we gotta j Yeah, I mean.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I love a good performance. I love the all the dramatics,
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: so I will go. I will give you that one
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: like that's.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: A performance is fine, But the poisoning I can't stand by.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: So you know, once a rescue was triggered because they're
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: having these symptoms. Helicopter operators inflated costs by billing each
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: passenger as if they had taken a separate helicopter flight.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: So even when multiple people were picked up along the
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: same route like an Uber ride share.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Y'all remember uberpool. Helicopter pool is crazy o evers.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Well, now you see they're trying to do the helicopter
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: ubers in the Uni City, right, Yeah, they've been doing
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: that to get people back and forth to the air Force.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't feel Yeah, no, I don't need
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Shaheed coming to pick me up on my rooftop to
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: get to I'm good to get to JSK.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I'm actually fine.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoy that ride from Manhattan into the either
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: of the airports. It's a good time for reflection.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: And I'm just like too scared to get a helicopter.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: I just don't think it's like a necessary bit.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: It's just loud. It is way too.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Long, loud, and just like the wrists of like you
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: don't hear about many people landing safely in a helicopter
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: like airplanes, sometimes they can land upside down.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: You can walk your asside of that bitch.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Like I actually read about the slide and the extra
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: ro because I was like, okay, and I know how
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: to use the slide now because I slide off HELICOPTERA
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: like we go down, This missage is over.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: So I feel like too, Like if you land upside
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: down in a helicopter, then the like the propellers keep going,
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: you just keep spinning around. That's how you get really sick.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Breakdancing, sugarl.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel like you, especially if you
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: were already poisoned on the side of the mountain and
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: you're already nauseous and sick, and then to have that happen,
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: you just keep spinning, You keep getting sicker and sicker.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, have a diarrhea, and a helicopter sounds just terrible.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Especially one that's spinning around very.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Quickly or nausea.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm not sitting in the back of
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: a car was rough sometimes, so guides used to also
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: they would let the climbers in on the scam. They'd
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: be like, look, if you want to just fake an illness,
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: then you don't have to walk back down. So like
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: we could climb up wooo, and nobody's ever like I
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: climbed down ever, So nobody really cares about that.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: So it's true.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just tell them you gotta poop and your head
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: hurts and will beat your little helicopter.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: My bucket's full.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: My buckets full of them dying. So uh, let's see
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: what's gonna happen to these people. Other times, GUIDs overstated
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: the effects of mild cases of attitude altitude sickness and
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: recommended evacuation. So that's our that's our theatrical person that
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: we like, like somebody you know, maybe like sneezes and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: they're like altitude sickness, they dying. They're like, no, no, no,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I'm fine, it just sneeze. That's the first time, you know,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: it's the first time, writes Sherpa Dad. Yeah, that's the
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: first time. We gotta get your ass in the sky.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I love that guy. I love I love whoever that is.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: And so the Mountain scammers used fake flight records and
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: forged medical documents to support exaggerated insurance claims, while hospitals
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: created false admission and treatment reports. In some cases, there
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: were insurance claims for tourists who were not actually receiving care.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: So sometimes if you had good insurance, they would just
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: be like, Okay, we're gonna run it up on you.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: The hospital got involved, the sharp Post, the helicopter company.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: I love it. They're all in lockstep. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: they're working together.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: They're working together, and I think that at the end
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: of the day, that's the lesson we can take from this.
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: If we work together, we can achieve anything.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: We can in as a country. We need to all
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: come together and work together, and we can wake our
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: country back.
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Okay, well you take our country back.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: People we're taking it back. I mean, we could start
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: taking it back a little bit at a time. Wanted
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: at a moment, a little bit of baking pout of here,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: a little bit of theatrics.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: There, bit of rat poop here and there.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Like McDonald's, do us a favor, Come on, just a
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: little bit of rat poop, just a little bit, you know,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: you could get to him. You're our only hope. We're
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: not even asking for a lot of rat poop, just
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: a speckle. So almost five thousand international climbers were targeted
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: in this scheme between twenty twenty two and twenty twenty five.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Police and Nepal said the more than three hundred cases
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: of alleged bake rescues have been uncovered. About twenty million
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: dollars was charged to insurance companies and sometimes to climbers themselves.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: I mean twenty bilm in three years, I think you
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: got to give up your sharper career.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean keep going at that point. No, But
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: I've also like I've been that type of person where
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: like I didn't come from money, so I've never really
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: had it or held on to it very you know
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: what I mean, Like I don't know, I would just
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: want to keep working. So if it's a passion, I
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: guess keep going for it. But but no, if passion's
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: if it's a passion, they go for it. But if
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: you are tired of climbing up down that mountain, lugging
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: people in their poop buckets that you have no desire
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: to be around that, yeah, like take the payout and
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: go do something else. Open that coffee shop.
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: Because you're gonna get caught eventually, you're also scamming some
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: of the most entitled people in the world, who are
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: usually also the cheapest.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: The scammers, right, they're usually the scammers.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: You're scamming the scammers, so you think they're not going
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: to notice at some point, but what you did. So
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: police charged operators and staff from three helicopter companies, Mountain Helicopters,
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Manhang Air, and Altitude Air. That's very clear to me
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: where we're going the scott They also charge positions and
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: administrators from international hospitals, three international hospitals and in some
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: cases investigators. Do you see TV footage from the hospital
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: named in the insurance claims to find patients who are
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: said to be said said to be getting receiving like
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: treatments and critical care. So they use their cameras because
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: they're like, we don't see them come in or out.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: What do you mean they had open hearts by pass?
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, it was it was imminent. We had to do
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: it in the helicopter.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why you ain't see it happen, because it
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: happened in the helicopter and.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Then we just dropped them off at home. Yeah.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because it was actually good by the time we
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: was landed that we just just brought it back to
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: the hotel.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: So more than thirty people have been charged and eleven
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: have been arrested so far. Several of those charged were
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: not arrested, like who were not arrested.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Or likely like to flee the country or have already
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: fled the country.
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: So if you aren't arrested or charge, you already got
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: the fuck a sap out of dodge. Personally, I feel
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: like Nepal, it's very performative of you to go try
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: to arrest these people. I'm sure y'all knew this scam
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: was going on, but they don't want to ruin their tourism.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: But the only reason why I don't think this would
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: ruin any of their tourism is that the main part
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: of this tourism is walking up mountain with hell of
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: dead people on it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Do you think anything discourages these people?
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: No, Like literally death does not. So at that point,
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: it's like everything else is just a stepping stone to that.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Like they might get robbed a little bit. Woo, I'm
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: literally climbing to my death.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the thing, Like you can't take it with you,
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: so you might as well put them all out on
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: the table if if you're literally walking towards what could
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: be your death your device.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this has been going on for a long time.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Similar scams were reported in twenty eighteen, which prompted this
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: whole wide reaching government thing which to be like, like
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: I just said, I don't care because y'all going.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: To death March, So you're good.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: So, travel insurance companies they have reviewed the possibility of
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: suspending coverage for trips to Nepal after the twenty eighteen reports,
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: so they will almost certainly take a closer look at
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: removing the country from their insurance plans, or at the
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: very least, insurance premiums are gonna go up, so everyone's
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Mountain insurance is gonna skyrocket.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Thanks.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Oh goodness. We're gonna have to go to ARII return everything,
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: return everything.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to north Face.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Return everything indignantly.
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Amy, I'm gonna go to north Face and I'm gonna
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: give all my ship back, and then I'm gonna go
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: to Shian and give me some of that South Face. Okay, exactly,
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Why won't even think of the rich people and the
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: insurance companies that we love. Oh my goodness, ginger, So
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: what do you think of this scam?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Where would you read it?
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Where would I rate it?
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Do you hate it? Is it is? It is a scheme?
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Is it? Obviously?
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I love it. I love it simply because these people
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: who are putting their lives on the line for these
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: other people to fulfill whatever weird kink or dream or
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: whatever they have have been so undervalued. I mean, this
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: is typically how it is, right. It's always the people
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: who have the most to offer that get paid the least,
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: whether that's attention or monetarily or sometimes both. And I
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: think that it's great that the sherpas are like, you
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: know what, this ain't paying the bills anymore. We are
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: busting our ass for these people. So we need to
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: start getting what we deserve. And it's it's almost like
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: a like a revolution or a mutiny or something like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: I am going to get it by hook or by crook,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: because I deserve.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: It so literally, by hook or by crook.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, I'm here for it, And I am on the
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: side of the sherpas with this, Yes i am.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: I'm on the side of the sherpas too, Like I mean,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I liked the poisoning ones I didn't like as much.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: Clearly they didn't kill anybody.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: They didn't kill anybody though, you know, I'm just comfort
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: But the theatrical ones.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I'm really behind. All the way.
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: I've been known to give people diarrhea from from here
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: to there, from time.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: To time has its exactly goodness.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Well, Ginger, we always ask at the end of the show, Well, one,
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: thank you so much for being here.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I'm so guy that we got to do this.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. It's been fun.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so glad.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: And Two we always ask Ginger, where would you like
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: to be found social media's projects? We know you've got
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: a lot of projects, a lot of projects. Yeah, where
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: you'd like to be found?
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I would like to be found anywhere that I am.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: You can find me across all social platforms. It's either
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: at the Gingerminje or at Gingerminje. Of course, we have
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: the movie coming out Stop That Train starring RuPaul Jujubi
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: and myself, and then Jujubi and I are like together
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: for this entire year, we're doing a wicked parody show
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: called Licked, which is all about the lesbian asked act
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: of Glinda and Alphabe's relationship. I'll setch the music of
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: Ariana Grande, so that will be in Atlanta in June
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: and in Provincetown all of July. Then right after that
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: we kick off our hocus Pocus Live Tour. Yes, okay,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be trying to be myself and Sephira.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I gotta get at the hocus Pocus leftour. I
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: love Hocus.
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: You have to. You have to. You have to. I
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: love it too. I literally sip from it all the time.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: You if we are anywhere near you, you.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Just let us know, because I got I guess to
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: get up in there and see the Sanderson sisters. That
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: is just you got to a dream. As always, you
• 58:43
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• 58:46
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• 58:51
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• 58:53
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• 58:55
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• 59:01
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• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I want you how to get out there and keep
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: keep the spirit of the scheme alive.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Okay, spirit may have gone to the sky, but they
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: can still be scamming.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: In our hearts.
• 59:27
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