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TMCP Ep 6: 2025 Expectations and The Fire Inside Review · The Mixed Company Podcast

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  Speaker 1: In this corner, standing it six foot five, weight class
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  Speaker 1: unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch And
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  Speaker 1: in this corner standing it five foot nine, Wayne Town
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  Speaker 1: with six wins.
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  Speaker 2: Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans,
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  Speaker 2: and two total painkruptcies hits the Classy I'll go hold.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Welcome back to another disition of mixt Company podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: I'm your host, Jamison Welsh, as well as the other
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  Speaker 3: host on this show, Classy Alcoholic Classy.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Oh man?
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  Speaker 4: I am feeling great because we are back with episode six,
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  Speaker 4: the first episode of twenty twenty five. If you can
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  Speaker 4: even believe it. I'm still nursing my new year's hangover,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm ready to start the year strong and keep
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  Speaker 4: taking the show to the next level. How are you
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  Speaker 4: feeling here in twenty twenty five, Jimson, I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's one of those things where you know,
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  Speaker 3: time really flies, you know flies. We lived back it
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  Speaker 3: last year, all the things that happened, the fights that
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  Speaker 3: were talking about but didn't happen, the fights that we
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  Speaker 3: want to see happen. You know, a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 3: happened and you don't think about it because it's time
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  Speaker 3: just flies at a rapid pace.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean Glad even brought it up because, you know,
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  Speaker 4: before we fully closed the book on twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about a few things.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, in my opinion, it was a good.
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  Speaker 4: Year for boxing, as long as we ignore the travesty
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  Speaker 4: that was Mike Tyson coming back to the ring, which
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  Speaker 4: I intend to.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, that's not boxing, That's that's fair. It wasn't boxing.
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  Speaker 2: That wasn't that's fair. That's fair.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like a weird thing that happened that you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's like a fever dream that we had. Woke up
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  Speaker 4: from it, and then we're like, all right, we're back
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  Speaker 4: to the rest of the year. In fact, yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I don't really want to do a full year in
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  Speaker 4: review or anything like that, but I do have to
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  Speaker 4: ask you, did you have a favorite fight in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty four?
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  Speaker 3: Jis So the favorite fight is tricky, right, because it's
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  Speaker 3: too cliche to say fear a usick one with everything
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  Speaker 3: going on, like, it's too cliche to say that.
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  Speaker 2: With that being said, that's.
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  Speaker 3: Probably my favorite one and not just because Fury lost.
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  Speaker 3: It's more of like whenever you have a heavyweight fight
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  Speaker 3: in the non favorite wins, it's always an interesting situation,
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  Speaker 3: but all those souls and the storylines around it, because
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  Speaker 3: Fury is basically fight to fight when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: retirement or to stop fighting whatever. So whenever you see
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  Speaker 3: a situation like that, it's always interesting. But if I
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  Speaker 3: looking back on it, the favorite five year is probably
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  Speaker 3: that one. My least favorite fight is probably Ryan Garcia
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  Speaker 3: versus Devin Haney just based off all the shanigans that
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  Speaker 3: have come with that, Like I could do it out,
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  Speaker 3: all the extras that have come with that, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, Like it's just a retute bit turnoff.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been an interesting year, very interesting year to
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  Speaker 2: say the least. So why was Fury versus you sick
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  Speaker 2: one your favorite? As a post to part two, So
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  Speaker 2: what it.
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  Speaker 3: Comes to Fury is whatever, somebody is king of the hill, whatever,
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  Speaker 3: somebody is the top dog, and everyone knows, was like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: in order to get to this guy, you gotta do
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  Speaker 3: this to me. There's something with that that you can't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily place. And then when that fight is close, when
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  Speaker 3: it's close on the cards, and it's like, hey, technically
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  Speaker 3: it could either way, even though I thought you said one.
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  Speaker 3: But with that being said, those are the fights that
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  Speaker 3: we remember. Those are the ones we're like, ah, okay,
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  Speaker 3: I remember when this fire took the crown. I remember
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  Speaker 3: when this fighter got better. And those are things that
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  Speaker 3: as boxes, we always remember when guys took that leap, right,
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  Speaker 3: we always know that, hey remember when they did this
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  Speaker 3: and they haven't looked back since it's one of those
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  Speaker 3: type of things. And also we don't have many great
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  Speaker 3: heavyweights anymore. There's not a long contending list of heavyweights,
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  Speaker 3: so it's one of those things we look back on it.
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  Speaker 3: It was like, hey, if Furre is the best guy
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  Speaker 3: in U six two, who's the third best guy? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're talking about Fury facing Joshua this year.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, don't watch it, don't get me wrong, but
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  Speaker 4: I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Excited about it.
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  Speaker 3: No, I'll watch it like when I I might not
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  Speaker 3: watch it live, but that's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I might watch it when it you know, when it's available.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna wear no pizza for
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  Speaker 2: it all but it that way, but I'm not gonna,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm not gonna make it a moment. I'll
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  Speaker 2: get to when I get to it. Sure well, and
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  Speaker 2: we don't need to rehash it.
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  Speaker 4: But we talked last episode about how Fury himself said
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  Speaker 4: he wants to take the easiest fights for the biggest payday.
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  Speaker 4: So why am I getting invested? And if that's what
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  Speaker 4: you want out of your own you know, those are
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  Speaker 4: your own words. You're not no longer kind of reaching
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  Speaker 4: for greatness. You kind of decided that you're looking for
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  Speaker 4: an exit strategy, which is perfectly fine, But that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: exactly you know that.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll say it like this, When you're the champ,
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  Speaker 3: we don't want to hear that, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 3: When you're the chant, when you're Numeroleno, when you're the
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  Speaker 3: guy people are trying the gun for, that's not a
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  Speaker 3: great thing. Like I'd rather you retired than have that mindset,
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  Speaker 3: because when you're the champ, where you're supposed to bring
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  Speaker 3: in the best of others, you're supposed to people. We're used
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  Speaker 3: to people danging deep when it comes to beating guys
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  Speaker 3: who with a champ to overtake the crown. That's what
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  Speaker 3: we're used to as fans, So if you're the champion,
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  Speaker 3: you got that attitude.
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  Speaker 2: I'd rather use retire set aside lesson my else tape
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  Speaker 2: to shine.
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  Speaker 4: That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: That's fair.
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  Speaker 4: I think for me, it's too much of an unfair
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  Speaker 4: advantage to say Navettea versus Veldi too is my favorite
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  Speaker 4: fight because I got to see it live, so I
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  Speaker 4: got a whole new perspective on how awesome boxing is.
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  Speaker 4: As if I needed even more of a reason to
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  Speaker 4: love it, right, the fight itself was great, but also
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  Speaker 4: it was such a great vibe being there. It was
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  Speaker 4: built unofficially as Mexican Night, which made it even more fun.
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  Speaker 4: I think if you take all of the live performances
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  Speaker 4: I've seen in my life, of all kinds of concerts,
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  Speaker 4: play as opera, ballet, you put them all together, this
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  Speaker 4: boxing match is probably like top fight easy to be
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  Speaker 4: honest with you, It's up there with me seeing like
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  Speaker 4: The Ben live, one of my favorite bands of all time,
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  Speaker 4: and also Big Frida, which actually might be the googlest
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  Speaker 4: show I've ever been to, to be honest, see Brigfeeda
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  Speaker 4: live was amazing, and yeah, this this fight was. It's
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  Speaker 4: like a sad it's unfair to even kind of compared
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  Speaker 4: just because of the situation of seeing it live. It
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  Speaker 4: was just the coolest, the coolest thing I did all year.
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  Speaker 3: Prob, the bigger fights you'll see memory, you'll you'll you'll
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  Speaker 3: have because the big fights. Very few things replaced a
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  Speaker 3: big fight, feel very few Like you know, Championship, super Bowl,
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  Speaker 3: big fight, all that stuff is all very similar in
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  Speaker 3: my eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, do you have a most underrated fight of the year.
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  Speaker 3: So we talked about this earlier, We're not gonna we
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  Speaker 3: weren't gonna talk about this particular card. However, you know
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  Speaker 3: Katie Taylor and Man Toronto too was I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: doesn'tet talked about as much, but that that was that
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  Speaker 3: was that was different and mostly not that it was underrated.
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  Speaker 3: It's just not being talked about as much. That's the
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  Speaker 3: biggest thing. I think that is a situation where it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't wasn't just like talked about, Like we don't think
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  Speaker 3: of it when we think of that night, We think
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  Speaker 3: about the debacle.
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  Speaker 2: We don't think about the actual the good fights that wrong,
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  Speaker 2: the car.
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  Speaker 3: But that's probably the most underrated looking back at the
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  Speaker 3: full year. But I will say this, and I want
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  Speaker 3: to get your opinion about this compared to normal years,
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  Speaker 3: do you feel that we had a lackluster in terms
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  Speaker 3: of compelling fights that we usually have, Like it feels
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  Speaker 3: like in most years we have more compelling fights than
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  Speaker 3: we did this year.
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  Speaker 2: That's hard to say.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think we had a decent year up
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  Speaker 4: to good, maybe not great, but I don't know. I
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  Speaker 4: think better bea versus Bevol was a big deal that
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  Speaker 4: was definitely hyped up.
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  Speaker 2: But how about this.
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  Speaker 4: There was a big lag period between like USIK and
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  Speaker 4: Better Beev, so just kind of kind of kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of a dead zone.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe you're right, maybe a bit of a
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  Speaker 4: dead zone. I mean, I personally love Canelo versus Berlanga,
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  Speaker 4: not that Berlanga was a great is a great fighter.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was more fun to kind of watch
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  Speaker 4: Canelo struggle against it giant, big slab of beef and
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  Speaker 4: try his hardest and Berlanga taking the punishment to his credit,
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  Speaker 4: and also got to see it at the Neighborhood, which
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  Speaker 4: we've talked about before, the sports bar. The vibe was fantastic,
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  Speaker 4: So I had a great time, But wouldn't call that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, an amazing fight of his by any means
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  Speaker 4: I think the biggest the biggest upset of the year
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  Speaker 4: is probably Bugia getting knocked out a couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 4: but again that was just recently. You know, there's there's
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  Speaker 4: a long period where I'm kind of right thinking back
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  Speaker 4: of what happened and it's kind of a dead zone.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, you're right, this year might have been a
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  Speaker 2: bit blackluster, and especially when it comes to compelling fights.
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  Speaker 2: So there's always gonna be fights, but the fights we
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  Speaker 2: want to see and the fights that were like memorable,
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  Speaker 2: there's not a whole lot of those. That's where you know,
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of where we're at with it. Hopefully that
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  Speaker 2: changes going forward.
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  Speaker 3: But also chance Crawford hasn't fought that much, Like for
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  Speaker 3: a guy's supposed to be number one or two pound
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  Speaker 3: for pound or top three pound for pound, he hasn't
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  Speaker 3: fought much like he'd beat Earl Spitz last.
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  Speaker 2: Year or year before last. Bensley took a break. I
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  Speaker 2: fought this past I want to say.
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  Speaker 4: August against the Israel magimuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I say that was in early August or maybe
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  Speaker 3: even July, but over the summer. So like fighting once
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  Speaker 3: a year isn't quite it like when you're one of
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  Speaker 3: the best in the sport, we got to see more
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  Speaker 3: than once a year. That's not it, Like, that's not
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  Speaker 3: how this goes. And I think that's part of the
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  Speaker 3: problem is guys get to a certain level and they
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  Speaker 3: kind of put it in cruise to So now I
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  Speaker 3: know he's his situations a little bit different with the
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  Speaker 3: promotion thing, and I know there's some things going on
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  Speaker 3: with the future talks.
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  Speaker 2: But we have to get guys were active. We have to.
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  Speaker 3: It's a must because you can't be that good. And
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  Speaker 3: then your one fight this year was kind of eh,
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  Speaker 3: like he wasn't very impressive in the fight, Like it
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  Speaker 3: was very like, all right, you're gonna win, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: not really confident in this going forward. So we'll see
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  Speaker 3: what happens in twenty five. But it felt like twenty
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  Speaker 3: four left us kind of what a you know, uneasy
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  Speaker 3: feeling like that there could have been It felt like
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  Speaker 3: we didn't give as much as we could have.
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  Speaker 4: But specifically, yeah, he kind of struggled going up that
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  Speaker 4: weight class again, gets madermalv I agree. They'd be interesting
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  Speaker 4: to see if he does get the Canelo fight. You know,
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  Speaker 4: two weight classes up.
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  Speaker 2: What that's going to mean for him.
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  Speaker 4: But I actually wanted to bring up a fight that's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit under the radar Tail Femal Lopus versus JIMMYE.
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  Speaker 4: Ortiz back in February. I think a lot of fans
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  Speaker 4: didn't like it. Tail won by decision and some said
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  Speaker 4: Artees got rob Of course, I think it's an underrated
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  Speaker 4: fight because it's a kind of a teachable moment for boxing.
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  Speaker 4: Tail came in dresses like a circus ring leader with
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  Speaker 4: some cardies behind him, and he's a good fighter that's
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  Speaker 4: put in some excellent performances in the ring before, but
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  Speaker 4: he was off his game last night that night because
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  Speaker 4: Ortiz came in with some good defense, a lot of speed,
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  Speaker 4: and Tayal couldn't really get any worthwhile shots and he
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  Speaker 4: was frustrated and you could see it. Ortees kept his distance.
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  Speaker 4: Some people said he was running too much, and I'll
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  Speaker 4: go ahead and give him that, but Tayal wasn't cutting
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  Speaker 4: off the ring or doing much to get through the defense,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it's because he was rattled. So it
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  Speaker 4: was really interesting to see a guy with that kind
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  Speaker 4: of style just be thrown off his game.
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  Speaker 3: Could be honest with you no, and so, and that's
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  Speaker 3: what happens with great fighters. You're not gonna win every fight,
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  Speaker 3: pretty right, You're not gonna win every fight one nineteen
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  Speaker 3: and like well or not, that's not gonna happen. You're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have close fights. You're gonna have fights or you
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  Speaker 3: gotta change and kind of dig deep. You're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: fights that don't go courting to plan. And when you
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  Speaker 3: pull through those fights, I then make sure a better boxer.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen all the big guys in the past where hey,
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  Speaker 3: sometimes you get a very close fight, close than you anticipated,
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  Speaker 3: but you get better from there, at least you're supposed
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  Speaker 3: to anyway. In most cases, the greats get better. Some
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  Speaker 3: of the guys are you know, above average, they end
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  Speaker 3: up getting exposed. But a lot of times those close
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  Speaker 3: fights make you dig deep, get better, get.
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  Speaker 2: Sharper going forward. I think that's what's gonna happen here.
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  Speaker 2: But no, that that was a very good fight.
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  Speaker 4: You're correct, Yeah, I you know, frustrating your opponent is
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  Speaker 4: a ballad strategy. I've been given that tip myself before sparring,
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  Speaker 4: because when a person is frustrated in the ring, that's
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  Speaker 4: when they make mistakes. That's when they get caught. So
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  Speaker 4: I was really surprised that tail ORed himself get thrown
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  Speaker 4: off his game. And maybe I would say, or Teas
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  Speaker 4: maybe outclassed him, if not out boxed THEMND that doesn't
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  Speaker 4: count for something. I think that's why a lot of
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  Speaker 4: people thought he should have won. But at the very leat,
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  Speaker 4: I found it very interesting, a very interesting match to
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  Speaker 4: analyze and see people's reaction after. So I think it's
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  Speaker 4: valuable for fighters to learn from and for fancy discuss.
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  Speaker 4: So I was pretty it was something I wasn't expected.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't Tailed too. I wasn't expecting tail to be
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  Speaker 4: cut off guards.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: So the one that I'll say, when it comes to
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  Speaker 3: boxers and athletes in general, there's still people, you know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean, We forget that at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the day.
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  Speaker 2: These are every day people that got every day issues
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  Speaker 2: just like us.
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  Speaker 3: And if your mental is not right or if you
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  Speaker 3: got something else going on, it's gonna show in the ring,
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  Speaker 3: Like whenever you do. For instance, as people, we have
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  Speaker 3: jobs and whatnot. If we're not all the way right
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  Speaker 3: as a person, it's gonna show at work.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately for these guys that works in a ring maybe
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  Speaker 2: two twenty thousand people, and then in front of millions
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  Speaker 2: on the that are watching on the world.
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  Speaker 3: So that's the difference. Is like as a boxer, it happens.
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  Speaker 3: You're not gonna always have your best game. Sometimes you're sidetracked.
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  Speaker 2: We are human.
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  Speaker 3: Things distract us, whether it's family stuff, personal stuff, all
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  Speaker 3: kinds of things could happen, So it's not unusually you
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  Speaker 3: just hope that you don't get sidetracked enough to where
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  Speaker 3: it calls you one out right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, what about Fighter of the Year. I can't think
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  Speaker 4: of any reason why it wouldn't be Alexander Usik.
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  Speaker 2: But what are your thoughts? It is, you sick man,
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  Speaker 2: it is, and it's gotta be.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the thing too, it's not that he performed well,
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  Speaker 3: two performed well against I think opponents matter more than
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  Speaker 3: anything when we talk about fives of the year unless
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  Speaker 3: you just put together three performances in a county year
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  Speaker 3: that are just like amazing. But in terms of fighting
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  Speaker 3: twice in the year doing what he did, he is
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  Speaker 3: the fighter of the year. I don't think it's even
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  Speaker 3: really any discussion for it.
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  Speaker 4: Agreed, Yeah, that's that one was easy. Yeah, No, I
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  Speaker 4: think the guy's proven himself one of the greats, possibly
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  Speaker 4: one of the one of the greats of all time,
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  Speaker 4: if not the goat, And yeah, shout out to him,
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  Speaker 4: Shout out to both of his wins, and shout out
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  Speaker 4: to whatever Fury's gonna do next, maybe retirement, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. But a quick follow up on that specific fight.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we mentioned last episode that this is the
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  Speaker 4: first fight that would have an AI judge scoring it,
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  Speaker 4: so it was just a test run and it didn't
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  Speaker 4: have any effect on the results. If you listen to
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  Speaker 4: episode five of you hear that neither of us were
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  Speaker 4: really into this. Some fans were getting hype, commenting things like, well,
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  Speaker 4: maybe this will stop corruption in boxing. The AI judge
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  Speaker 4: scored the match one eighteen to one twelve for you
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  Speaker 4: sick And you know, I haven't gotten a chance to
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  Speaker 4: look at the Twitter and Instagram comments yet. I'm about
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  Speaker 4: to do it right now, but I'm sure all the
• 14:37
  Speaker 4: comments were positive about this whole endeavor, and everybody was
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: in agreement that the robot got it right, and even
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Tyson Fury was in agreement. Right like, I'm assuming that's
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: what I'm about to read right now, and basically basically yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: now fuck now. Of course, not everybody was still arguing
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: the results just like they always have, and some people
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: were Some people were speaking positively about the AI, but
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: lots of other us were saying things like, oh, this
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: this thing, the AI doesn't know box. It was absolute
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: badness that it's scored particular runs for you sake, et cetera,
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: et cetera. So this whole thing really accomplished nothing and
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: solved nothing, which is what we already expected.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can't make an imperfect thing perfect, right,
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: So when you're judging a fight, for instance, if you
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: and I judge the fight, right you're in tussim in Vegas,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: and we're watching the same fight and we keep score,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: there's a good chance we're gonna have different.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: Scores, not because we're biased or favor anything. It's just
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: you may see something different than I may see. So
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: you may see, okay, the power punches are landing. I
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: might see a box is more active than the other.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: And it comes down to preference and what I see
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: with my eyes versus what you see with your eyes,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: and what I deemed to be impactful and what you
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: need to be impactful. So for instance, we're judging a fight.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: You might have one seventeen one eleven. I might have
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: one sixteen one twelve. That's not that far off. The
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: issues is. The issue is when somebody has one nineteen
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: nine and somebody got one twelve or sorry, one fourteen,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: one twelve or one thirteen one twelve. You know, that's
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: what it's like, Hey man, why is it that wide
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: of a variance? But to be honest with you, anything
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: from eight to.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Four rounds and you know, anything between eight four rounds,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: seven to five rounds a draw, anything in that region,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: you're kind of.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean, human error is always going to
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: be a thing, or is it not? Even hair let's say,
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: let's not say that human disagreements is always going to
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: be a thing in sports. And I don't really think
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: that there's any way to get past that. I don't
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: think we need to. I mean, yeah, mistakes will happen,
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: robberies could happen, but at the end of the day,
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: it's so you know what, I'll let me find it here.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Fury himself said, and I quote, fuck, all the compute
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: is keep the humans going. More jobs for humans, less
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: job for compute is and then he said fuck electric
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: calls while we're at it, which I don't know what
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: to befitz there, but okay whatever. So yeah, a lot
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: of people got super excited for this idea just because
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: they heard it was AI. And I don't know, man,
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: I'm tired of people treating AI like it's some kind
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: of amazing invention and that's going to save the world.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: It's like a.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Faster search engine for a non boxing situation. AI does
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: help a lot of things, right. You can use AI
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: to be very impactful. However, AI can't control everything, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I think that's what people are trying to get to.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: AI controls and that's not the case. But AI came
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: be a pathful. I don't want AI.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: Judging fights though. I don't want that because you can
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: program it. You can program AI to be a certain way,
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: and I don't want that. That's it. I think I'm
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: a little more down on a overall.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I think people maybe think the Blade Runner back to
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: the future to futures that they wanted are coming true
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: because of it.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: It's like a faster search engine. You know those dudes
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: that think AR are the is the wave of the future.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: Let's be real, guys, you just kind of want to
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: fuck a robot, that's all you care about him. That's cool,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: like what you like, But let's be honest about a
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: self carry you acting like you care about integrity and
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: scoring boxing matches, so.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Hey, like what you like.
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: But anyway, so we talked about the past, let's talk
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: about the future. We do this show because we love
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: the sport, and we criticize it out of love because
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: we want it to be better, right of course, Jameson,
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: you've talked extensively about how there need to be more
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: fights happening throughout the year, which I agree with. There's
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: no boxing season like there is a baseball season. But
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: you made a great point last episode when you said
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: there should be fights every weekend during the summer, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I'm with you, summer should an officially be boxing season.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Other than that, what do you want to see change
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five in the sport?
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, I would prefer if I
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: mean boxing season is a good term to use, but honestly,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: boxing should be year round, where every month there's a
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: showcase fight with a name or in or a prospect
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: that's either up and coming and has a name or
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: somebody's already established. Every month, there should not be a
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: month that goes by where there's not an established boxer fighting.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: It should week it's criminals.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Where we go through weeks of just that should never
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: happen because you're taking your fans for granted. At that point,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: you're basically saying, oh, the fans, when I need money,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I'll put us something on pay per view. They'll pay
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: for it. That ain't right, y'all need to keep us
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: entertained the whole year. There's enough boxers, there's enough money,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: there's the promotion companies for everything to go around to
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: be open and active throughout the year. And I think
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that's where it needs to change, is that every month
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: there should be at least one showcase type of fight.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying you need Crawford Canelo every month. No,
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not not saying that. I'm saying that you have
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: to keep buzz going every month to be old. Hey,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: we're February, you know, Sircuras fighting such and such.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Oh March.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Again, we're not you know, le'd say in March you
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: have a big fight. Apriy have a big fight. You know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Canelo fights to May. So those are things you want
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: going forward, not just oh that's a fight in February.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Oh the fight in May. No, no, no, no, there's
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: too much time that goes by without any big time fights.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Because the thing about big time fights you get more
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: casual people involved, you get the regular news involved, and
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: that's what carries the sport. The fans always gonna be there,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: but the casual, the fifty to fifty people, that's what
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: you need.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: And the kids, the kids who who want to boxing
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: with their families. You know us we grew up watching.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: You know, for me, who does such is with my family.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You want that vibe throughout the year, that excitement.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: So that's what's gonna grow new fans.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, I mean we got to.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: We've got a group of people, but it's small, possibly
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: getting smaller.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's that's not a cult. Basically, boxing fans
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: almost like a cult now it's not. Basically, it's not
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: what it used to be. And when we were, when
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: we were coming up, when we were growing, when we
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: were when we were growing up, it felt like there
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: was so many boxing matches on and it didn't matter
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: what way class right. It felt like there was always
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: a good match. If got every month, every six weeks,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: there was somebody fighting, and it was like a big thing.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: We don't have that anymore. It's just not it does
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: not feel the same.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you. There's a lot of things I
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: want to see change, but I have a very specific
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: thing I want to talk about today, if you'll indulge me. Uh,
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: this concept of boxers quote quitting and why that needs.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: To go away.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I'll explain what I mean, but let me start off
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: with this. During the Navarette Aldez fight, the co main
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: event was between a Mexican boxer name Rails Spinoza and
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: a Cuban boxer name Robsa Amirez. Do you know how
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: that fight went down, Jamison. I don't recall off top,
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: so Robsa Amires. So the story is that Espinosa hit
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Robsi Ameres with some elbows well through in hooks. I
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: saw one. I honestly don't think it was intentional. In
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the sixth round, Robsi put his hand up, turned his
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: back to indicate he was out. The ref stopped to fight,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: and Rufinoza won by tko. Reasas said he was seeing
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: double and he couldn't continue, right, Okay, So of course
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: there was a wave of comments from fans saying that
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: he quit one more Yeah. One particular exchange that annoyed
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: me was, I guess said he quit. Another person responding
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: and said, well, why did you get in the ring
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: and see how you do?
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Always? Yeah.
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: The dude responded and said I wouldn't have quit, which
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: easy to say behind Instagram comments. Tough guys, sit down,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: sit your ass down. But we need to stop acting
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: like we know what it means to be in a
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: boxing match to that highest level, and stop acting like
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: we know better than the fighters who put their health, bodies,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: and yes, their lives.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: On the line for the sport. You know I mentioned
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: they're good. The number one priority in any sports.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: Health. We've got to prioritize health. Unfortunately, we've seen boxes
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in the past that did not quit in time, or
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: they should have quit a minute or two earlier, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: they have never been the same since.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't mind someone saying, hey, they don't have.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: It tonight and having all their faculties the next day,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: rather than somebody trying to compete when they can't end
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: up getting medically impacted.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: That's not it. That's not cool. So I think it's
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: a different world in different air nowadays than in the past.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But you shouldn't have to If you're losing and you
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: can't defend yourself, I think it is right for you
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: to quit. And I don't think there's a problem with that.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it bucks you're either fighting or you're not.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: And if you stop fighting for whatever reason, then the
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: other person wins. That's that's you know, and your opponent
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: choosing not to continue for any reason is one of
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the ways you win. Let's speak them to the rules
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: so you can say, BASI remors lost you want, you
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: want to call him a loser if you want whatever.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Don't see he quit.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I mean he made a valid decision that he's allowed
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: him make for his own safety, and there's no shame
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: in that.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Plus he made it because he was too hurt to
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: keep going.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I mean him walking away was no different than getting
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: caught with a body shot than he couldn't get back
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: up from. Right.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Look here, when you when you quit in a fight,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you know your body better than anyone that's you know
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: where your body's about to go out on you. You
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: know what when your body is a strong point. You
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: know all these things, so when it's time, you have
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: to do what you gotta do. This is about your life.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: This is not about one fight. This is about your life.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: If you guys don't the teut, it's okay, get better,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: move on, come back next time. But you gotta make
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: sure there's the next time. And I think fans don't
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: quite yet.
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you're watching a tennis match in one
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: of the players like sprains and ankle, you're not gonna
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: say they quit, right, you just pobb.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Sports fans in the dage, Sports fans in the day
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: and age are totally different breed.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Brother.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, fine, then you shouldn't be saying that. But well
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: here's you're correct.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: You're correct. Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: I mean here's another thing too. I think we should
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: even stop using the term quit, because there's an official
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: term for what happened when a fighter stops voluntarily fighting.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: The term is retired.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: So if you say the fighter retired in the sixth round,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: or the corner retires their fighter when they throw in
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: the top right.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: You know, you can.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: Criticize boxes for a lot of shit, but deciding to
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: retire for whatever reason isn't one of them. So if
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: they just didn't feel like fighting, they wouldn't have made
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: it up in that ring in the first place.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: You know, witting is a tough term because the only
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: way actually someone quitting is if as long as if
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: it's not help related, right, so they just say I
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: don't want any more than all right, you.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Can say someone quid.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: But I don't think that's unnecessarily a bad thing in boxing,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: because it's the sport is way different. Like we can't
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: compare boxing other sports because of the brutality of it all, you.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So somebody don't have this, they
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: got it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Like sometimes you'll see a guy in the ring and
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: he just can't go no more for whatever reason, he
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: just can't go, whether it's in his mentals or physical
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: or both.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And that's okay. I don't think that's a bad thing.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's another it's not like again going back
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: to I use a tennis analogy because there's two people.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: But if a tennis player is like, is losing and
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: they throw their recket and they walk off, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: that's a forfeit and that's not really like the way
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: the match works. But in boxing, a person not being
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: able to take it anymore. That is a valid win.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: You know, you get a valid dub if your opponent
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: just can't continue. So I don't see why there's a
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: reason to add on to this and say, oh, he quit,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: he sucks.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have done that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: And yeah, other comments are like, well, fighters have fought
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: with a broken jaw, they fought with sprayed rives, and
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: that you can't tell somebody you know that they need
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: to push through an injury when they can't.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: What they tell you they can't. These are the same
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: people who call out sick when they got two coughs
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: in a row. Yeah, who call out sick when they
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: get a paper cut. These are the same people who
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: go home early when they have an OWI okay, So
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: you got to remember that. You gotta understand. These are
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: the same folks that are saying these things. So that's
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: why I don't like, don't be the tough guy on
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: online but at work all because you got PTO and
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: you have a little headache, you're going home at eleven
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: am instead of toughing it out.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Not trying to hear that agreed.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: I mean I said before, I've done a lot of sparring.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I've gotten my ass kicked. I've had to push through.
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: But also I'm in a gym with guys that are
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: going like sixty percent and don't want to knock you out.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: So I would never say, oh, well, ro basically for
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: me to sure it kept going, you know, this person
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: should have fullen through a broken job. Absolutely not, And
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I especially don't want to hear it from anybody that
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: hasn't gotten their ass kicked by a staring partner.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Right or if you've never been around the gym, if
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you've never been around open gym, I don't want to
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: hear it. Absolutely. So that's the thing I think.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: I think it's fair to say that when it comes
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: to our criticisms for you know, to make the sport better,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: you kind of talk about the business, the industry. I
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: talk about the fandom and how I want fans to be.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: To be better. So yeah, I mean, let's let's stop
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: shaming these folks.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: You know, they got up there at a pro match
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: in that ring, which it takes balls to get in
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: that ring in the first place.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Let's be real about it. Oh absolutely, absolutely.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So twenty twenty five boxing boxing fans, let's
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: be better. Let's uh, let's progress, Let's be better versions
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: of ourselves. So speaking of people that become better versions
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: of theirselves, let's move on to our pugilism segment, where
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we discuss a boxing movie, TV show, or documentary. I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: very excited about today's episode because we usually talk about
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: movies that are a few years old and a couple
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: of decades old in one case, but this time we're
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: talking about a new movie that isn't theaters right now.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: The fire Inside premiered on Christmas Day, though my myamc
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: head screening is starting on the twenty four, so I
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: got to see it on Christmas Eve. Shout out to
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: movie theaters employees. By the way, a lot of people
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: don't know that theaters are up in three hundred and
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: sixty five days a year.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: That's right. So yeah, my two favorite.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: Working class heroes are bartenders and movie theater employees. Jamison,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: did you get a chance to check out this movie?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I actually did? I actually did you know? Ironically, my
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: firestick went out, so I had to go through other
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: means to watch it, but we didn't watch it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: It was a very interesting movie. I certain things I
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: was not aware of, but it's the similar story of
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: most boxers, right, like you grew up in a very
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: rough area. In this case it was Flint, which is
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: one of the worst per capital places that grow up
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: in this country, and you kind of have a lot
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of struggles and you turn those struggles into your fuel
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: for boxing, and next thing you know, you're in this
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: case during the Olympics, you know, and you you know,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: create a craft and you go from there. But that's
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: kind of how it's very interesting that we don't see
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of box was coming from the suburbs, right
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: you know, have a lot of boxers coming up in
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: three car garage homes. It's just not very This just
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't have that much Like most year boxers still that
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: they had to have a certain background to have that
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: kind of energy and fuel. But this is a very
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: It was a better movie than I expected. I think
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: the acting was on point. Most of the boxing scenes
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: wererong point.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: It wasn't bad. It wasn't bad at all.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: Actually, before I should have gave a little bit more
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: of an intro. The movie is about a real boxer
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: named Clarissa Shields. The film is the true story of
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: how she won a gold medal for women's boxing in
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: twenty twelve, which is the first year women's boxing was
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: even allowed in the Olympics. Ryan Destiny is the actors
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: who played Clarissa Shields, and she did.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: An awesome job.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I really liked this movie, so it is something very
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: interesting that I wasn't expecting. It's it's not a spoiler
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: because the trailer basically gives it away. Clarissa actually won
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: two Olympic medals back to back twenty twelve London twenty
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: sixteen reel, and the winning of gold medal is usually
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: the triumphant climax of the standard sports.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Film, but none of this one.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Clarissa winning her first metal happens like two thirds of
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: the way through the movie. The rest of the movie
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: is everything that happened immediately afterward. You know you mentioned
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: she's from Flint and grew up poor as hell. After
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: winning the medals, she thought that her life was going
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: to change dramatically. She was going to take care of
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: her family, put them in a big house. But that
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: didn't happen because she wasn't getting sponsorship deals with anybody
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: because nobody really cared about women's boxing back then. Plus
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: she was told she was abrasive and not media friendly.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: In interview, she said she liked boxing because she liked
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: beating people up, and her white media handlers were like, hey,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: you can't say stuff like.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: That, right.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: They try to get her to put on makeup to
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: quote improve her image. So I think ultimately it's a
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: boxing movie kind of on the surface, I think it
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: cares about boxing, like forty percent, and the rest of
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: it is a story of how growing up under the
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: weight of generational poverty's suit like a vortex. It sucks
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: everything in and not even winning a fucking Olympic gold
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: medal can ninue you out of it. So I was
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: really impressed by that, to be honest with you, No,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: it was cool.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: They intertwined both her personal life in the boxing part
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: really well. You know. The boxing coach was also did
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a very good job. It was cool.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: I liked it.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed it a lot. But also there's a lot
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: of these stories that don't end this way, right.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: You've got a lot of people growing up in very,
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: very tough places with similar coaches, and it doesn't work
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: out this way. It usually goes the other way, you know,
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: usually goes with the way of not working out and
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: unfortunately other things happened.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: So no, it was cool. You know, it was definitely
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: a good movie, a better movie than expected.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know how I was gonna do in the
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: box office, but it was well, the movie did the
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: job off of it that way, the movie did the job.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking up. So the box office is
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: it's not great. You know, it is a low budget movie.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: It's like twelve million budget, but I think it did
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: like five millions so far since it premierre to Christmas,
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: which is still early. If it doesn't make its money
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: back in theaters, it might make it back on you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: on disc streaming whatever.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: The movies make themselves back overseas. That's how it makes
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: the money back. So it'll if it did finally open
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: a weekend, it'll be fine. But yeah, it's it's tough
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: too because women's boxing is still not looked at like that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: For in terms of the situation. However, if she would
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: have did this coming up now, she definitely wouldn't have
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: been poor. There would have been a bunch of small
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: companies offering deals for social media stuff, all kind of stuff.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: But again, it shows you just the time back in
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: twenty twelve, there wasn't you know, the thought process and
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: ideas were different than they were thirteen years later.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Sure, but also yes, I agree with you. And also
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: if she came up now, she would have more sponship
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: because she was the one that made this happen, you
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. It's like it wouldn't have happened
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: about her, So it's like it's like a back to
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: the future thing where you kind of change your own paths.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: So she definitely opened the path for a lot of
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: other female boxers. I mean the movie too, it brings
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: up the pay gaps between male and female athletes. Yes, yes,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: it's socially conscious, race conscious. All the performances are excellent. Yeah,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I was really impressed. I think the best thing I
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: can say about this movie is that it would be
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: a good watch even for people who actively dislike sports movies.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Facts facts, fact.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: Honestly I speak, which I don't love them myself. I
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: don't dislike her of voice sports movies, but a lot
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: of them are so by the numbers, you know, it
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: takes a lot for one to stick out in my mind.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: But it's one of those movies that it tells a story,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: so the common person could watch it and not be
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: like put off by. It wasn't too boxy, you know
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It was just right. It was just right.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I think it does a good job telling the story,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: and no matter of the sport, if she was a
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: baseball player or what a basketball player, I think I
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: think it works so pu It feels like the kind
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: of old school movie you might catch on a TV
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: on a lazy Sunday afternoon, mid budget. It's after lunch.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: You sit on your clienter, crack a beer, surface channels
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: watch this time all the time. You know, there's particular
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: movies like those that make you feel a certain way,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: And I'm glad this exists. We need more mid to
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: low budget movies.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: We have a scale of four gloves, so I think
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: I'd give it three and a half gloves.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: What about you? I go three O three. I'm not.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I thought that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: They could have went more into what happened after the
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: second over the metal.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I think that that could have been a part of
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: it more. For me, I kind of wanted to wait more,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: and it felt like they spent so much time on
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: the the Olympic situation in that process, and then also
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: after the first Olympics, Like how nothing changed? Like would
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I would have liked to see more detail now, But
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: it's all good. I mean, it is what it is.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: But I think three is fine. I cant talking to
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: three point twenty five and I think that probably be
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: my hottest if I had to go.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was probably more impressed than you were, but
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: I did. I will say I was surprised that they
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: didn't go into the second Metal win at all. So
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: but I also a shout out to Brian Tyree Henry
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: who plays Claria's coach Jason Crutchfield. That guy's just awesome.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: I love seeing him anytime he shows up. Know, he's
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: great in the movie, but that's pretty much expected from
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: him at this point. But Brian Terry Henry Henry, who
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: most people know is paper boy from Atlanta.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I had a good time.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: You know. I'm glad I went to see it in
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: the in the theaters and so I saw that Christmas
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: Eve And just a quick shout out to Sonic the
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: Hitchhog three, which I saw the Frighten before Christmas.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Awesome movie as well. That was like that.
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: I'll give that like five blocks, because did you grow
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: up watching or playing Sonic Games.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: When Gear and Sega Genesis all that. I did not
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: see the movie, but I definitely grew up playing it
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was laughing.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: I gotta say I went like after nine so that
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: all the babies would be in bed.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: But it was a Christmas weekend.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Was a good time because I did Sonic three, The
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Fire Inside and then nos Fara two on Christmas Day.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I love going to the movie. So it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: it's actually really cool to go into a movie theater
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: knowing that I was going to talk about this for
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: this show, right right, right, So you know, more boxing movies,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you know, please, let's let's have them, even if they
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: don't do well.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: You gotta have lower budget, mid budget movies. Got to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: pad that out.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Not everything can be big budget superhero action thing.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: So yeah, So for a final segment, we usually do
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: a mail back question from the audience, but I wanted
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: to change it up a little today and try something
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: different as an experiment. So right, I still do have
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: a couple of mail back questions to get through, and
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: I would encourage y'all to keep sending him in. We'll
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: plug where you can reach this at the end. But
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: for today, I actually wanted to ask my own question
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: that I'd like my co host to answer.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I've said it many times before.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: I love boxing, but I don't consider myself an expert,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot I've been learning thanks to the show. Right, Jamison,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: You're the expert here, and there's something I realized I
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: don't really understand, and it was inspired by the movie.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: So just to set this up, Clarissashield is one of
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: four fighters male or female to be an undisputed champion
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: in two different way classes. So there's only four people
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: that have done it. One of the others is one
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: of our favorite fighters, Bud Crawford, so shout out to him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: So just really quickly for the folks who don't know
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: what it means to be undisputed. There are four different
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: boxing commissions and each one has their own belt, WBOWBA, WBC, IBF.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: That's why see boxers with the shitloatle belts that look
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: different or different colors. There's four belts for each weight class,
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: and if a fighter gets all four of those belts
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: in the same weight class, they become.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: The undisputed chip.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: So I guess one way I can describe it as
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: becoming undisputed is like getting an oscar, and then being
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: undisputed in two weight classes is like getting an egot,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: because both are hard, but one is so difficult that
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: only a handful of people have ever done it. Ever,
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: So the question that I've never really understood when a
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: fighter becomes an undisputed champ for a particular weight class,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: how do those belts get broken up again and end
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: up with different fighters? Because if I'm undisputed and people
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: keep challenging me for all four of my belts and
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I wash every challenger, I'll be undisputed until I retire.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: But I know that's not the only way for the
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: belts to be up for grabs. So how do undisputed
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: champs go from having all four belts to ending up
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: with only three or two? I've never really.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: What's happening now more than ever, is that guys are
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: basically relinquishing belts for different reasons.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Part of the sanction fees to say I don't want
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to I don't want to be I don't want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: pay three hundred grand for this or how much it costs.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: I remember Floyd being very adamant, like, hey, why am
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I paying an extra five hundred plus grand for this belt.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I don't need the belt. Belt doesn't find me. Blah
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: blah blah.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Now does he have the extra money, of course, but
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: from a business standpoint, you technically don't need it. And
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: also every fight is different, right, so before the fight
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you would ree upon what's at state for the fight.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: There's been fights as weird as it sounds, where not
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: all the belts have been on the table. I don't
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: know why that is. That's that's always been odd to me.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: But it'll always be like, yeah, this fight's not for
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: all the belts, just for the WBA. I'm like, ah,
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: this doesn't make sense, but.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: It's always to me. Yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: But every federation has like its own top ten list,
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: so they'll be like, hey, the guarantee challenger for the IBF,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: you gotta fight something.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: They do fight.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: It's only for the IBF belt, it's not for all
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: the belts. So that's always weird. I'm not quite sure
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: why that is, but every fight has its own thing.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I always like when guys say, know what, forget about
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: everything's on the table, you want to come beat me.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of that. But once you know
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the business side that it cost so much money for
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: these federations and we're not for these belts. I understand
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: why a lot of guys are liquish it, or a
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: lot of guys say, hey, you know what, I'm gonna
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: chill this year in fighting. Y'all can do it out.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: So if you don't meet your mandatory challenger, you relinquish
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: the belt, and then the next two guys end up
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: fighting or wherever they a point, ends up fighting for
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that belt.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: So when you mentioned the fees, does that mean if
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: you win a belt you got to pay like for it?
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Holy shit, that part I did not know at all.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, you gotta pay. You gotta pay fees.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: So when you go to fight, you got to put
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: up a certain amount to fight for that belt. So
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: that's why in the past you've heard guys saying, now
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: I'm cool, all relinquished. I don't even want to pay
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: the extra just for that. It's kind of odd, but
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: everybody got to make their money. So that's why you've
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: heard in the past where Floyd be like, I don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: need the belts. I know we know who, we know
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: the records, et cetera, et cetera.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: So that happens wrong often not, but a lot of
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: times is somehow will move up and wait.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Right, so let's say you're at one thirty five and
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: you're undisputed there, Well you're moving up to one forty,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: so you leave all the belts down there because you're
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: you're going up.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: So that also happens wrong.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: Often not too Okay, Okay, so if you leave all
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: four belts behind them, then again, whoever, whoever commissions all.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: The federations figure out who who fights for him? Okay. Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: The thing that did confuse me the most, like I said,
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: is I've got all four belts, but I'm fighting a
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: guy just for the IBF, which whatever.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: However, I'm not a fan of either. I think it's
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: a chubb.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: But yeah, so then if I just refuse to fight
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: him for whatever reason, then I make h the belt.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: You got to remember we had the Cold War before
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: with all these promotion companies for the longest times, so
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: I remember there was times where guys weren't fighting guys
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: because they were you know, Golden Boy, you know, et cetera,
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: et cetera. And if your promotion company did not get
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: along gold want top ranked, that whole colde War lasted
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: over a decade, you know what I mean. So if
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: you got a top rank and a Golden Boy guy,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: if one has too and the other one has too,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: you basically see in fights between all top ranked guys
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: and all Golden Boy guys by each other.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: So you know that's what a lot of that happened
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: as well in the past. Okay, thank you.
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: That's something I was having difficulty, you know, doing research on.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: I tried looking up online, but my search results weren't
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: very helpful.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And I'm I'm.
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: Always willing to admit that if I don't know something,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm not trying to be here pretending I
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: know everything. So I really appreciate expanding my knowledge based
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: but also for any of the listeners that didn't know
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: any of this, So absolutely thank you.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: So how about we get out of here and.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Started joining twenty twenty five?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Where can people find you on social media at the
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: Jamison on Twitter and on Instagram. I'll be around always
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: fun being on Twitter answering questions and whatnot. And hope
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: everybody's saved this upcoming New year and hopefully we have
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: some really good fights, you know, I mean that's what
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: we're here for.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: We're here to make sure we get mimorable and.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Be able to talk about it casual conversation like damn, hey,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: do you see that find on ESPN?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, damn, hey, do you see that fight on Fox?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Or hey? You know hey or hey, it's about to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: come on right now. Make sure you got the you know,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: the app open or whatever. We need more of that
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: if you feel like that was missing this year. Yeah, no,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean the sport is very exciting for me,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: but I want more people to be able to talk
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: to talk to you about it what our tank Davis
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: has to fight more like you're one of the faces
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: of the sport.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: You're an exciting fire when you when you put guys away.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: We got to see you more. It can't just be
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: once a year. You gotta be more active. We gotta
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: see it more.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: We at the must the fans demanded, All right, well,
• 42:41
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• 43:00
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  Speaker 4: That's letters at mixedco podcast dot com. Thank you so
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  Speaker 4: much for listening, and stay tuned because two thursdays from
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  Speaker 4: now we'll be back with Mas Fuego for the new year.
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  Speaker 4: Stay safe, see you soon, and salut