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Bear & Balanced: Bears Can't Get it Done in Green Bay · 2nd City Gridiron

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm going to bear in balance.
• 0:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Jeff Perkis, other side of the screen, Lester A, Wiltfong, Jr., Lester.
• 0:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Chicago Bears had their five game winning streak snapped up in the frozen tundra of Green Bay.
• 0:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: What else is new with this series in the last few decades?
• 0:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, what's 30 years amongst friends?
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: 28 to 21, but competitive second half, given people a lot of good feelings.
• 0:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the moment, obviously, I wrote about it today too.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like in the moment, right?
• 0:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's things, man.
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the Packers, bears around a winning streak, Ben Johnson, Caleb, or like, man, this is going to be it, would have been so poetic if they were to pull that off.
• 0:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's tongue, right?
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's tongue a little bit.
• 0:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: But then after the game, you're reflecting on it.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, man,
• 0:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: this is not the same old bears.
• 1:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've been talking about it all year, right?
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is not the same old bears to different team.
• 1:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ben Johnson has this team on a good path.
• 1:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so look, they didn't beat, we beat the Packers in Green Bay.
• 1:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Socks, but hey, they have another one in two weeks and if they take care of business, now that game for the NFC North first place.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 1:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: They still control their own destiny.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the end of the day, we can't be that upset where the bears are at this point in the season, losing the pack or suck because their fans are a little, a little chippy, a little slow, you know.
• 1:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's weird, because they're very chippy, but they're very soft, like they change narratives, they move goal posts.
• 1:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very strange, but hey, that's part of having a rival, I guess.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, yeah, just a couple of things about the game, you know, bears offense came out sluggish and we've seen that before, right?
• 1:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen that before this season, you know, you want to know why that's happening and get that figured out.
• 2:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it does seem like Caleb for all of the things that Caleb has said that people kind of try to twist.
• 2:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the one thing that I'm not a big fan of of what he said was like, I don't get nervous.
• 2:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because sure looks like you're pretty jacked up early in games and need a little while to get into the rhythm, but then, you know, really nice second half, including I thought just one of the drives of the season, just a just a phenomenal drive really looked like they took control of that game had the defense on their heels, you know, they're and then the defense just gave her right back right so I mean it was it was a
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I texted you really early this morning.
• 2:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I said, this is cold comfort.
• 2:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I woke up with.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of like, hey, I had green-bay fans texting me.
• 2:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the friends that are in my live colleagues, co-workers, and
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were like, man, wow, you guys, you guys got a guy.
• 2:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, Caleb's great and, oh, wow, like this is, that game was really interesting.
• 3:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, very easy to say when you're in the winter seat, like I get it, you know, like I understand you're being very gracious right now, and that's nice.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is frustrating sitting here and having to experience that again, I didn't want to before we got into the show.
• 3:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to talk about the last play, you know, which, maybe that's like,
• 3:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, in a medical to going through a recapture, but there's that's been soaking up so much virtual ink.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been, you know, all of the oxygen has been talking about that last play.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have watched this thing a bunch and I, you know,
• 3:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't play quarterback past the playground, right?
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, I don't know exactly what goes through the progressions and a lot of people don't, right?
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, our guy Bobby Peter certainly does, you know, in terms of how they taught it and even he was like, well, he could have been taught.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, swift to run for it, to commit, which would have shown you why he took a while to get to commit.
• 4:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I would have maybe liked it to be swift, commit run.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, in terms of maybe the progression.
• 4:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh you notice that I didn't say DJ more at any point in that you know so when I watched it I didn't I didn't notice DJ like I saw him flash open after Caleb triggered on the on the throw down to commit.
• 4:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did you catch Ben Johnson's presser today?
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I did and and Johnson said he wasn't an option there and then I I tend to agree I mean sometimes coaches might just say that
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: in the moment.
• 4:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: But to me, I think that that was true.
• 4:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I came open late.
• 4:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the ball was already like after you've triggered after after Caleb triggered on on throwing the ball down and come out.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So to me, I people and then I heard people say he should have ran it.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: there's four guys right there right and and so you have one yeah sure maybe he could have like he's he's athletic and then fast and amazing but i'm not sure he could get the corner so i think he's making a move back and there's a guy that's you know pinching him in there so like what i i don't see the run as an option to me i thought it was force it into swift quick and literally get that one yard like it's going to look
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a easy throw.
• 5:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're still going to have to lead him.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to catch it away from his body, bring it in.
• 5:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got two defenders on him.
• 5:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's going to be an easy play.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I can see why Caleb would come off of that.
• 5:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: He sees all of that traffic.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, ah, that's a little bit too tough.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's looking to run.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's four guys here.
• 5:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's coal, you know, I'm going to get it down there, looks like he's wide open.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to float it down there so I don't just throw a bullet and obviously Nixon undercut it and what he was there for it.
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can see that progression happening and what happened there.
• 5:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure how much faster he could trigger on it.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not trying to make an excuse for it.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know firsthand what it's like to play for professional quarterback.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, spoiler alert, say any of you wondering what my career prospects look like.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, I think that that play once Swift was covered, that agree by play to really well, right?
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you do.
• 6:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Four guys to basically cover Caleb and Swift.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, here's this guy flash and open.
• 6:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got that in your mind that you've done that before.
• 6:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have as much room as you had the last time you did it because you're in a much more condensed part of the field and it just wasn't enough field and it wasn't enough, you know, wasn't enough lost on the ball, maybe could have let him more towards the, the pie lawn, but tip your cap, the green bag.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, they made the play.
• 6:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they do.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a good football team.
• 6:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're not like, this is not like, oh man, they're, they're, you know, dragging the bottom of the ocean with this team and they still beat us.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not what this is guys.
• 7:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is a really good team.
• 7:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're made to win.
• 7:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: They made at all and moved to micro Parsons.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're a really good football team.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And
• 7:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: the bears lost again.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just sucks for the series that we've had to live with for the last three decades.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, Caleb owned it.
• 7:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said that was a bad pass.
• 7:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's put it on himself.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was.
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he may have saw a little late.
• 7:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to tell what's going through his head at that point, but similar play to the week before.
• 7:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just this one just didn't have enough oomph in it to get it over the defender's hand.
• 7:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it happens, you know.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that whole sequence to me was like that third down play where you got stuff that that was the killer.
• 7:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if that doesn't happen there, you know, who knows what's going to happen.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's a whole new ball game, but that I love the way he used this time out.
• 7:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I love the way he milk the clock.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, this is what a professional ball coach does, right?
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I saw some some discourse, you know, oh, man, you know, what is he doing?
• 7:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why is he wasting so much time?
• 7:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what you do.
• 7:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what you do because you got you at your timeouts.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: What hurt was obviously the third down play.
• 8:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They thought that was that was going to happen and and that we talk about players making plays.
• 8:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, that that packer guy came out of nowhere and just made the stick.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very good team up there and green bay very good defense.
• 8:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think I saw stat where, you know, this the most yards have given up at home all year, you know, and and the most points too, because I didn't realize I got the defense was so this week when I started looking at the packers, but that's that's that's pretty good team there.
• 8:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Indig Barra is the defensive lineman for the packers that you're talking about.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you made probably the two best defensive line and plays of that game.
• 8:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had the sack on Caleb, which was absolutely because of my comparison.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Taking the, you know, taking Jonah Jackson upfield and then pushing Darnel right off to, off the play there and opening up.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a, you know,
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: A very good tandem rush technique to free your guy and, you know, Mike Parsons rushing over a guard, well, it's happening, right?
• 9:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: All the attention is going to go there, takes him out.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, Eric Barra was a beneficiary of that, but he really came down the line, you know, stuck suckman on guy.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a different game.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if it's first and 10 there, then having everything on the fourth and 10.
• 9:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, I know
• 9:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Starting with the last play is maybe a little bit different, but that's what everybody wants to talk about tonight.
• 9:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm not, I'm not trying to give excuses to anybody.
• 9:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, some people are questioning the play call.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pretty standard call in me and he's had a lot of success with the Ben Johnson said a lot of success with over the years.
• 9:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: They obviously felt like they felt good about it.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: They felt comfortable with it.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Green Bay scouted out they called timeout right before they ran it.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: and they probably reminded them that that would have been an option.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know Matt LaFlor said that they were playing the run, but at the same time that they obviously scouted that way out, knew that was part of what the Bears could have run and certainly looked at it on film.
• 9:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, interesting stuff, you know, my brain can absolutely get past this one.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: No problem.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: My brain says, yep, okay, you kind of earned that with the Eagles win.
• 10:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you split with them, that's all we ever wanted.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you can earn back the lead in the north with the wind in a couple of weeks.
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: So many of you take care of Cleveland here.
• 10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's fine.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything's fine.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: My heart breaks every time this team wants to scream back.
• 10:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it sucks and I hate it.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel all of that.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those feelings as well, guys.
• 10:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I totally get it.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get into the category.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's trench tribute.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, I kind of had our time this week because I thought that the bears got a little bit manhandled in on both sides of the ball for at least the first half and then obviously they started to make in some hey there in the second half.
• 10:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: So who did you come up with?
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: First half was brutal, right?
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't think to play calling sequencing some of the stuff in the first half was the best.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought the crowd were going to stop to run a little more.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: They seem to get a little pathway, but a lot of that is dictated by the defense.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes
• 11:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then we'll call a certain play and based on look, okay, this look we're seeing now, that's a pass.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you kind of understand why they did it as long as the process was sound, you kind of get those points, but I went back and washed it and the same way you would kind of a rough time finding some guys.
• 11:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, well, let me focus in on one guy.
• 11:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Think you did pretty good in the game, watching a live.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let me kind of focus in him and as I'm washing him, left tackle as you trapelo, the rookie there,
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Run block him still leaves a little to be desired.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's not really the best.
• 11:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's not a maller.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of that did do his technique.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he may get better as he grows on, but as a past block or he's pretty sound, I mean, he's got pretty, he's a big dude, right?
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: It takes a lot to get around someone that's, you know, six, eight and got the long arms.
• 11:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why you hear about length.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: A tap, all right, because it's just, it's harder for the defender to get around.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that happened.
• 11:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't go against persons.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Parsons was mostly on the other side, but but I thought to pillow, he's is showed now enough here in these last few games, where I think moving forward if he keeps this up, he keeps on this this trajectory.
• 12:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the bears may be content going in the next year saying we got our left tackle.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to flip right.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're good.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what we need to do is we need to find a machine that can take two humans and put them into one, so we'll take eggs Benedict and we'll take as each film will put them into one because eggs can run block, but he's a real liability at tackle as a pass blocker just because he doesn't have that length right.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you noticed that they had to really help him out and protect him in past pro when he was there.
• 12:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But in the run game, he was really solid to even a plus player in some games.
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Shapelo comes in and he is, he's pretty much fine in past Pro for the most part on his own.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to, I mean, they may be giving him a little bit more help than right, of course.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, he's, he's, he's in better shape than Benedict was in terms of past Pro.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because a run blocker, he doesn't have to feel for it yet.
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's a really big guy.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so like you said, sometimes it's hard to get around those guys.
• 13:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Those guys, it's also hard for them to move in space and latch on sometimes to their blocks.
• 13:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So he actually missed that block on Nick Barray.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that was him.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Nick Barray was played the line and crashed down and was able to stop my non-guide for no gain.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Triple is running after him, right?
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like so, I think that was probably Triple's guy there.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's such an interesting thing to have one part of your game be a plus and one part of your game be a negative.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you got Joe tuning next to you.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got some good tight-ends that know how to block.
• 13:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're kind of hope that you can make up for any of that.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that's decisive on what blocking schemes are using, what kind of run plays you're going to use with him.
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Ben Johnson is really smart with that stuff.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He kind of knows the strengths and weaknesses of his players.
• 14:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll see going forward.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think,
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: For all intents, this guy was your singer on draft pick.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a higher ceiling at tackles than anybody else that you have.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously not Donald Wright, but like anybody else that you have to fill that other position across from Wright, you got to give him the rest of the starts, right?
• 14:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like he can hold his own.
• 14:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to give him the rest of the starts the rest of the year.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't mean that Benedict doesn't have a future here, but I think the future might be at guard.
• 14:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You might be, you know, at
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: interior offensive linemen, you know, swing between those two guards.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: So which is great, right?
• 14:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: More depth and offensive linemen that have, you know, shown something.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to continue on this team would be a good thing.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's hope that that's the case.
• 14:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Mine, I wrote down Drew Dalman.
• 15:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: because it did seem like he's having a good year.
• 15:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think both of those guards next to him are also having good years and so that helps your center when you have two good guards.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they do that when they went out and got those two guards in trades and then felt pretty comfortable giving through dorm and top of the market center money to be able to lock that pivot down.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think he's wish been playing really well and it seems like that interior running game has been a positive force.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: all year round and I even against a Packers team that has done a pretty good job against the run this year, Packers defense is just good and general, but but I thought that he he played pretty well to again, they gave up a lot of pressure overall this defensive line day, but.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of it was because of Michael Parsons on the right side against Darnell Wright, you know, and Darnell Wright was enjoying quite a good year, and he got a taste of a top three past rusher, you know, and he's probably not number three, right?
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where he's at in terms of how good he is.
• 16:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And can I just say F.U.
• 16:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Jones up at the top here for gifting the Green Bay Packers, Micah Parsons, because it's just absolutely sucks that we're going to have to face this guy twice a year for how many every year he's going to play.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Really good at football.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
• 16:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, you've seen him darn all right, not now figured out for two weeks from now.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: The thing about Parsons is you look at his numbers.
• 16:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're like, oh, he didn't do anything.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I saw some some people trying to clown him on a social media.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like, oh, you pay all that money for God that had a tackle, one tackle and two cuby hits.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He affected that game in a huge way.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bears blocking schemes, they always knew where he was.
• 16:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you talk about the one sack that the pack or did get it was because of him, you know.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they move around a lot.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He rushes against the guards.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a very talented football player.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's just like you said,
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what Jerry Jones is doing moving them to the NFC because, you know, if they have any playoff aspirations, obviously, why would you put them in your own conference was just weird to me.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, at the end of the day, they got the best deal they could and they did the deal, just sucks that it went to Green Bay because that's a good player.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said around the top though, and the packers are all in this year.
• 17:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's why they made that trade for versions.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: They felt they were a super vocal contender this year.
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate Jerry Jones so much.
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hate just not I'm not getting over that.
• 17:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: That was dumbass very rude of him to do that.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on caught up in a numbers game.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: What's your stat of the week.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going with 66.7% that is the Packers third down conversion or eight of 12 in the game.
• 17:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the bears have been pretty good up to this point.
• 17:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They were actually top 10 in the league, right?
• 17:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they were seven overall in third down conversion allowed.
• 17:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And just this one game with the pack was just killing it.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bears are now 15th in the league.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: They dropped from $7 to 15th in one week because the pack is converting eight to 12.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense ain't very good all year.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've been pretty, pretty bad.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: The two areas are pretty good at is takeaways.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're down conversion.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're down conversion low down this week.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: They did get one takeaway.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: but it just wasn't enough and look, as bad as this defense played, bears are still right there at the end of the game.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had a chance to tie it and Ben Johnson said they probably wouldn't want for two there.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they're going for broke.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's like the hell with it.
• 18:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're in on the road.
• 18:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna go for, we're gonna score here.
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're gonna go for two.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get that a lot of where the dub and we're gonna get to see that because of the pick.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But overall, defense rough, pretty bad on that area of the game, eight of 12.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's so interesting because, you know, love Lexa throw off his back foot, which is a big no-no, and he's got kind of a little bit of a moon ball, which
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when it's complete, it looks great, but it just sort of hangs up there and there are times where you're like, what is happening, but he's he's done a really nice job of throwing into space.
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and so he has this he had this ability to have an explosive element to his game and it's also combined with.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: the patience of a very efficient offense and the patience is what shows up with, you know, if anybody's on social media and seeing these backgrounds that talk about EPA all the time about how good love is.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a real efficiency step and that's the LaFluir offense and like,
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you want us to drive the field in in 1215 plays.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll do that.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 19:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of what they're doing.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're they're making manageable third downs.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're converting them that and that's what was happening in this game.
• 19:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you add to that the explosive play element should bears have been bad all year.
• 19:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: That the bears, you know, we've talking about that covering that with my step-differential stuff.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like bears defense has given up more explosive plays than their, their offense is generated.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And their offense is generating at, you know, the highest clipping in the league, right?
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the defense has been, been really battle year.
• 20:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: The secondary has been really beat up.
• 20:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, even guys like nation right have been, who've been turning the ball over, also give up a lot of big plays, right?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a cloud.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know where the cloud is on a fully healthy roster, practice squad kind of guy, he's out there giving up big plays.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is what it is, you're down in your depth, you're trying to make things happen overall it has worked for the most part because you're getting those turnovers.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: The Green Bay was really good at converting those drives at a touchdowns, you know, taking advantage of those, those third down conversions and then combining that with that explosive element, which is really frustrating, because it just felt like, like, risk or was just there, right, like, you know, a quarter of a second faster and he breaks that touchdown out, you know, there's just there's just a number of times where it's like,
• 21:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got to be kidding me right blown coverage of course they find it right they're not going to miss that so very frustrating and they've been good bears defense have been good at that third down conversion rate all year
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: This time Packers win that round and that in many ways was the difference of the game because they were able to convert those drives at the scores for me my number is the number four and I'm back to my winning streak stuff this the second winning streak is now dead at five right so the first winning streak was four games this winning streak was five games then Johnson has an opportunity to start.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: heading down the path of another win streak.
• 21:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we start Cleveland, Green Bay, and San Francisco, you get three and be another winning streak within one single season.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: That has only happened four times in the history of the Chicago Bears where you had within one season where you had three winning streaks.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, winning streak is three wins or more as we've established from the major league rules.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: 1963, George Howell's Coach team.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, winning a championship in 1963, they had a three separate winning streaks culminating in a championship.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: 1987 with Mike Dicca, 2001 season, that fund 2001 season, or Dicturon, and 2018 with Matt Nagy.
• 22:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: So here you go, you have an opportunity to start another win streak and and really start to separate yourself because you start to get the three four win streaks like you're leaving a lot of the historical coaches behind and I'm just I'm just curious to see you know if if then Johnson can do this and get back on the roll there they really need to focus back up they can't.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: The can't have the trap game, right?
• 22:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: The can't have that emotional loss against a division rival, come back and then be looking towards revenge the next week.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They really have to focus here and let's start up this when it lists third winning streak here.
• 23:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's let's put the foundation down this week.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, winning streak may be necessary because how tough the NFC is.
• 23:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the bear is flowing from first C to seventh C, right?
• 23:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy.
• 23:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you'll take a look at the sum of these, I mean, the NFC, West is ridiculous, right?
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: All those teams are playing our standing football.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: jacking to get in, you know, the odds are pretty good.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The lions are like right there, you know, behind the bears.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, of course they have the tie because they're one when they bears have them at the end of the season, they could take care of business.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, you just look at the way the NFC is this year.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's funny, because we talked earlier in the year.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, nine wins might get you in the NFC.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: 10, you're probably a lot, right?
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, the NFC we thought would be down a little bit, because they were the your prior besides, of course, the bears division.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: But,
• 23:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, this year the NFC is tough, the ASC is down this year.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you never can tell what's going on.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: The chiefs all of a sudden are a bad team like when did this happen?
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's very weird how how football kind of comes at you and kind of goes.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And but yet the NFC is tough.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may have to win that winning streak just to make the playoffs.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if they do that, of course, I think they're back at the top seed.
• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because I think they had the tie break over the ram based on conference record.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're very weird how it's going to play out here, but I think if the bear's went out, the lamb's, ran the currently a game ahead, so it's a yorks.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: So the next time, if they tie, they'll have the tie breaker.
• 24:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's a lot remain, if the ram's run the table, there are the number one seed or same with the, I would assume the the sea hawks, yeah, because they're both, uh, I think at 10 wins right now.
• 24:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's in the place other next week.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see there's a lot going on the Vikings showed signs of life and the Vikings play both the Packers and the Alliance in the last two weeks.
• 24:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe the Vikings, you know, like to have a little late rod in place.
• 24:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And they're out of it, like they're I mean, they're not mathematically eliminated, but they're out of it.
• 24:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'd be nice for them to win a few games, take themselves out of a higher graphic and talk themselves into another game of changing McCarthy.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's do it guys.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what happens here.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, there's a lot that remains to be seen.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't overlook the fact that he, Ben Johnson's been able to string together to winning tricks in his first year.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a real thing.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that there's something about the ability to just get on a roll and keep rolling.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: The flip side of that is can you stop the bleeding, right?
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a lot of history of winning tricks, a little less history of losing tricks, but it's there too.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's, you know, there's an ability to stop the bleeding.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You had a loss, refocus, can you come back?
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of interesting research about
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: know how often teams are able to make the playoffs if they lose two games in a row.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: How often they're able to make the playoffs through three games in a row.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would happen.
• 25:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like you start to be like, well, you know, your season's kind of over if you start getting on one of these skids.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So can you stop the bleeding, particularly with a a weak opponent at home?
• 26:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Take care of business.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see what happens.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's move on to sweet tweets.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You hit start us off with Ted Win.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: tech went from he has at FB underscore film analysis he of course writes for the athletic good good perspective from a lot of the national writers after watching that bears game no bears fans are down but a lot of good perspective out there he's he wrote not the ending that's Kagawa's but the game just shows how far they've come in Johnson short time there way to compete in a playoff
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: type of environment.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that was, I mean, that was high energy, high stakes, you know, there was a lot, I mean, it looked as bear's packer, so there's already going to be some tension.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: But that game was chippy, there was some coach chippyness happening that, you know, through the media that, you know, they tried to downplay it, but you know, the packers wanted that one further guy because of what Ben Johnson said and.
• 26:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, Ben Johnson knew saying it was going to, you know, bring something about it.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's look around the, the national media, you know, it's, it's like all the sudden, here's the bear's losing, but the narrative's still positive for the most part, you know, it's like,
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the same old bear.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even Packer players, Josh Jacobs came out and said, man, this is a different team now.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're really believing what Ben Johnson's got.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's, you know, it's like, you've kind of see this.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of feel this.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just us as fans saying, you know, oh, it's, you know, look, there's no moral victories, right?
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's the NFL.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got the L, it is what it is.
• 27:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, but the fact that there's this different feeling now with this game.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I know I saw some local say to all of the bearer to up again.
• 27:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: No they didn't.
• 27:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is different.
• 27:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that part of this franchise that era is over and Ben Johnson will not let it happen again.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's going to be fun.
• 27:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I said, take care of business.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in two weeks, you're playing for the division league again.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's all the bears have to concentrate on right now is take care of business.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Be Cleveland.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Brady was talking about how when the Packer stuck over late the first half.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard him say this another broadcast as well, is that late the first half, you want to make sure that the other team doesn't get the ball back.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's their number one goal.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Number two goal is, can I get into field goal range?
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you can accomplish that, can I score a touchdown, right?
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: So there's this like mentality of this.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of by thinking of coming into this game was
• 28:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can we at least not get embarrassed?
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Can the bear's just not embarrassed themselves on this like, it was like the game of the week, right?
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the afternoon game, not the noon game.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, more eyeballs on.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the map, almost the whole map was watching that game that had a fox game.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: can you just not embarrass yourself, right?
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's number one.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Number two, can you get close enough to have a chance to win?
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 28:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then number three, can you win the game?
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right?
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that was kind of where I was at.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it felt like they got two, right?
• 29:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: They got the second one, where they had a chance.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do it, but they had a chance.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that's
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: maybe fatalistic way to look at things.
• 29:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's that sinking feeling in your gut.
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we've watched that game that was 42 to nothing, right?
• 29:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like we've been through these terrible experiences in this series.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Notice how I keep saying series, because rivalry just doesn't feel correct.
• 29:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, for a very long time in this matchup, right?
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it did feel a little different because Green Bay came out and gave that initial punch.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I did not have any points, but they were moving the ball.
• 29:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: You got the interception, right?
• 29:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a little bit of like, I'm not feeling very good, Caleb's over five, right?
• 29:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's just like, oh boy, what's happening here?
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, they started to take over and they started to come back.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it did feel like the national media could have absolutely buried the busy, we told you, they were pretenders, right?
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: But they most probably didn't.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, this team's legit.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: This team's real.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited to see this in two weeks.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people that really know football were really sad and Ted wins one of those guys.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: We had him on Bears Overbears long many years ago.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's always good to see the national guys kind of get to where you're at because it confirms what you've been saying for the last couple of months.
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's always nice.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Another national guy that we like has been doing some bare stuff on Espionation as well, doing a bunch of Espionation stuff every once in a while.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, bears thing.
• 30:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Doug for our, he's at NFL underscore Doug for our, he says I was eagerly awaiting the all 22 of this completely preposterous Caleb Williams throw.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: it did not disappoint.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So this this throw that he showed the alt-22 of was Caleb rolling right and dumping the ball over the top for for command that.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 31:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And beautiful throw, beautiful play.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just this is just one of many tweets that were like this that were like
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a point where if we're still talking about, well, he makes five or six incredible plays, but he had, but he has all this other stuff if we're still talking like that this in a year.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, there's an issue because that's not a sustainable way to win football games, but you see why there's such a high ceiling is because he has these plays that he makes all of the time that are so outstanding and then sure reminds you of other top tier quarterbacks that do that.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: The other stuff needs to rise up and even out and we know that he knows that Ben Johnson knows that everybody on the offense knows that and it's not just Caleb it's the whole passing game right it's the it's the past protection it's the guys running routes everybody running things you know to a T where it needs to be but I think that the
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: this idea that he could be a buster that he's that's gone guys like that's not even shouldn't even don't even listen to those people this guy has such immense talent that he's showing weekend week out and it's not all there yet.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he's showing these high end plays and he started to fit some balls in.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's he's starting to to fit some some tighter window throws in where he was just really kind of turn in those down in the past because I think he thought, well, those aren't open.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: And as I went there they're open for you.
• 32:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, if you're on time and with your on talent, they're open for you, right?
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're seeing a little bit more of him, that ball, the lovelin was a, was a gorgeous pass.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: And lovelin couldn't complete the process of the catch and it was an incomplete pass.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there are a number of throws every game now, like we should never take it for granted.
• 33:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, three or four throws a game for five or six throws a game depending depending that would be the best throw that you saw from a bear's quarterback for an entire year.
• 33:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: in many years, right?
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how like that's what we're seeing.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And some of them may look routine, like he makes them look routine and it just kind of flies off of his hand because he's got so much torque and power and whatever it is that makes him such a natural thrower.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: But some of these throws are unbelievable and outstanding and I just wanna make sure that we're recognizing that we now get to see this.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: We get to watch this as the quarterback of our favorite football team.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was really busy all day.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So when I saw what your tweet was going to be, I ain't no idea which pass it was because if, yeah, it was a cold comment pass, but it could have been the Devon Doverney pass that he had toward the end of the game.
• 34:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: it could have been the touchdown to Olimari, say the name, come on man.
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's a key, yes, that's an easy one.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I am a mess of that one.
• 34:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, so it could have been either one of those plays.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, like when you when you see that tweet, you're like, you know, which play was it, you know, and, you know, some of the stuff you did with, you know, obviously escape abilities, I was still there.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So,
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and you mentioned that, you know, that it's coming, right?
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, we talk about the national narrative.
• 34:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: The national narrative is kind of things that it's coming to that they kind of see this and I think it was I think it was I think it was Ted win last week wrote an article to talking about how it this part in the process is looks like he's still kind of thinking too much out there and there was another another article I think was last night that someone wrote, I figured that one was talking about a similar thing where it's like, you know, the, the, the,
• 34:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Complete percentage will pick up as he gets more harmful in the offense because he's there still things there and even last week Ben jatt said that quote where he talked about how the passing is not there and everyone jumped on that all he's he's mad at Caleb and Ben came out the next day's look I want to clarify this you know and and he kind of said it's it's not it's not quarterback it's not just it's this it's everything You know guys not being in the right spot when they're running their route, you know things aren't hitting their right landmarks and it's like it's the offense as a whole
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And again, it's coming.
• 35:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not where it needs to be, but it's still one of the best offenses in the game today, which is like blows me away.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's where saying this about a bear is team, you know?
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, and again, like I talk about how good the packers defense is, most yards, most points the packers are going up all year at Lambo.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing some good things, they're flashing, killed flashing, it's just not happening enough.
• 35:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And once the easy stuff went to the layups are cleaned up, come on, it's gonna happen.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt in my mind, it's gonna happen.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, absolutely.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's leave them nicely to Kale's quarter or 19 of 35 for 186 and I'll say nice rebound.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Started off over five.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's two for nine at one point, right?
• 36:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, like, this started off rough.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he started about whoever in the world said, well, Michael Parsons, you paid him that much money for one tackle.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of those incomplete passes are because of my comparisons because they're throw cast.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're the ton of like, let get it out.
• 36:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Live it, live another down, right?
• 36:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so as a ton of that, I did not go back and count them, but there were many, many throw is here.
• 36:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that that definitely impacts the the completion percentage.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: He had two touchdowns, one two, uh, leveling one to Zacchaeus.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think both of them were cool place.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the Zacchaeus throw was
• 36:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: beauty it'll be on highlights for a long time that's there is no window there like that's I don't even know what you would call that you know it's just like fitting that in a bread basket that doesn't make sense that that throw was made and the catch happened like it's kind of unbelievable that he was able to do that along the end of the the end zone.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the, uh, the ball to Levelin, obviously, a little lollipop over to a wide open wider receiver, but wasn't the main, uh, look there.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was indeed, uh, extended it, uh, actual eligible.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: He got chopped.
• 37:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: and Ben was pissed at that, but Caleb saw that, looked over, found the open man, you know, and it a great, great design, right?
• 37:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know, just lolly popped it over there to him.
• 37:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, two one-year touchdowns, which I thought,
• 37:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's tough.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's tough to throw down on the goal line, and so to have two touchdown passes there as impressive.
• 37:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, the one interception, which we have talked about a lot, a little late there in triggering to Colcomet, gave up one sack.
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about that, you know, great pass rush by like a Parsons opening it up for an agbari, and then he had four
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was uneven, right?
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's kind of what we see near.
• 38:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: We talk about a little bit out.
• 38:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little up and down.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Missing some of the layups and a rough start to be beginning of the game, but you know, it wasn't all on Caleb, right?
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was the Colson couldn't complete the catch, you know, but as you're watching a game,
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: You kind of felt, okay, it's common, right?
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's gonna bring this team back and then the second half came and everything's very clickin' and it kind of came back and, you know, I'm glad you mentioned that touchdown that should have been to eggs because as it was unfolding, it kind of felt like Benedict was the,
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like the defense, like, okay, here comes Ben Johnson's tricky play stuff because love them was so wide open.
• 38:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: The design of that play, have it love and sneak over from the same side, Ben at a was on.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, the design was nice, that was a nice play, you know, and they're going to come back to that at some point, and it's going to be to the offensive linemen, and if not, I'm sure they're going to have another wrinkle off it, because that's what Ben Johnson does.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He marries everything together.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just this one play, like if this was a previous era of head coach, it would have
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Tundra Buster that was the one play they called it and that was this and that was this guy in the flat and if it's not there it's it's not there and a live never never see it again We'll see this exact same play this exact same look Variations offage several times throughout the year and throughout Ben Johnson's career completing Chicago soul.
• 39:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that was nice from a play calling standpoint and Caleb Again, just clean up some of that stuff and get more comfortable and it's coming
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: got tundra buster i'm thinking like slump buster i'm thinking side buster i think i don't know where you can't get up with that and not be your mind but it's gold it felt like a bad naggy play call right yeah i don't have a hundred percent where you're going with that i just like like the week itself we could sell t-shirt that's what i'm saying
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• 41:56
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• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hot bowl where he got what he got kind of alluded to it earlier about how happy I was with the second half we both talked about the second half so my mind is going to be second half adjustments okay I like it it's one of those things where you don't realize it's how big how important it is till you see it actually in the game we have an asking it in the Chicago long time you know we've heard some coach set up up their sleeve in the second half and it never really materialized
• 42:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've gone and they made some tweaks and look, you hear a lot of times that players and coaches say, look, we can't get much done in half time.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of scheming and strategy happening, but the good coaches, they find a way.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may not be doing it with the whole team, but they may have a couple things they've noticed, things they've saw.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And whatever the bears have been doing this year, it's been working.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Benjad to come out in that second half.
• 42:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look, the bear's had what 70 yards in the first half, right?
• 42:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then ended up out gaining the pack because of scoring
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: just to just become this is short, right?
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: An inch away on the brisker pick, an inch away on the loft to come at though.
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's, it's a game ventures and, you know, these things happen, but I'm really impressed with what the bears have done in the second half.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And not just Ben Johnson, Dennis Allen has done a pretty good job in these areas, as well, where we kind of make some tweaks came back out and got some stuff done.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's coaching, coaching matters so much in the NFL.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's, yeah, the players make plays
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're getting paid to the big bucks, but man, if you don't have the right guy in place that knows they're doing how to how to work the chess board, it's going to go downhill pretty fast and the bears don't have that this is this is why I am so okay with where this franchise is heading because I have so much faith and trust in what Ben Johnson's building.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben Johnson, Maniac.
• 43:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He is a Maniac, he is.
• 43:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he is absolutely a guy that just thinks about, like, did you say chess?
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think that like a chess move, like multiple moves ahead, right?
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, and.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense to me that he's the type of guy that would say, okay, well, they did this and this and this.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So therefore, let's let's make sure that we're we're adjusting here, right?
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a really smart football guy and that's might be the most obvious thing I've ever said on this podcast, but
• 44:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: that has not been the person in charge of this bears team quite a while.
• 44:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's notable.
• 44:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why don't they have a guy that's one of the premier thinkers in the game, right?
• 44:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really like Sean McVeigh.
• 44:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really like watching what he does because he is consistently innovating on his own stuff.
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And he's challenging himself, right?
• 44:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's stories that came out a couple years ago.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: He hired Brandon Staley to be as defensive coordinator because he's like, I just need to learn how to crack this defense.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's giving me fits.
• 45:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to hire you.
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to run it because I think you'll give other other teams fits.
• 45:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to crack it.
• 45:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to figure out how to pot a play against this defense, right?
• 45:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben Johnson's that kind of maniac, right, where he's like, I, I'm going to try to find every advantage that I can and I'm constantly thinking.
• 45:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so sure, maybe the last regime didn't make I have time to dust adjustments because there's not a lot of time and I've got something up my sleeve, but like
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: he's really making adjustments.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's really taking advantage of that time that he has.
• 45:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's taken advantage of minibies.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's taken advantage of full buys of like, yeah, we're going to make sure that we fix this thing.
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to laser focus in.
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I really like that.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that's a real advantage that the bears have because you've seen a difference once they come out of half that
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: They actually do make make some of these adjustments and they work.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So absolutely.
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I actually already kind of burn mine up.
• 45:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that the two one year touchdown passes were notable and I think that the bears have struggled a little bit this year in the red zone.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: their red zone efficiency hasn't as an offense hasn't been great in terms of converting those red zone trips and a touchdowns and I think the more comfortable it's harder the field condenses you either need to run with authority or you need to be really creative in the past game and have those details down
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: and it seems to me like the bears are starting to convert more of those red zone trips in the touchdowns.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what we've been asking for all year, right?
• 46:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Make those three's in the sevens.
• 46:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm hoping that we're seeing this positive trend.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's how you hang 40 and 50 on teams is that you are super efficient in the red zone.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the lines are doing it.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the lines are way up and down this year, but I think they definitely miss Ben Johnson, but they're still able to spit out 40 plus point games, right?
• 46:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: those bears teams get in there.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get there.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: The lions weren't doing that in the first year under Ben Johnson, but they got there now now they're spinning up and they know how to do that.
• 47:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they're falling off and then they're going to be able to do that for much longer without Ben Johnson and Johnson will get the bears there.
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that to me, I just thought that those two one year touchdown passes were a sign of of growth.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm curious what the red zone of 50 has increased, because I haven't really noticed it, like when you said it there, but yeah, you've seen more plays working down their tight, you know, the run game I've been clicking, but it's not just the run game, it's the design of some of these plays.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I talk about it on that on the touchdown test, the lovelin is like, you see the play develop.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: like the X's and O's and my mind is start spinning because I'm like, oh my god, the way they peeled this tight end back, I mean, I can totally see how this is going to be this play now or the way they brought that guy around an orbit motion, like I can see this is coming later.
• 47:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like so much is married to what they're doing and it's not just running the past, it's this past play with this past play and this past play and it all plays off each other and
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: You catch him, we talk about Ben Johnson and they asked him, he has got this serial killer vibe and he said, Ben Johnson is getting that mode, right?
• 48:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's like you said he is psycho when it comes to this and it's like he will not allow this team to fail, like I don't think it's in him, I don't think physically mentally it's possible that Ben Johnson will not get this point where it needs to be.
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And as a bear stand, it was not seen this in a long time, it's just so exciting.
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just knowing where this whole thing is headed.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a very cerebral modern version of Mike Dica, right?
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 48:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's Dica's
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: Adolf plenty of flaws don't get me wrong, but like, was the right guy at the time to whip that team in the shape and get them out of the their their mess that they were in for a really long time post post Alice right and he had the mentality to do it Ben Johnson's got a psycho mentality that absolutely I think I think plays here so all right flip it around cold bull.
• 49:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've got a couple.
• 49:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, we can go a few different ways here.
• 49:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, look, Matta's what had a sack, right?
• 49:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was the only time they touched Jordan Love in the whole game.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: The past rush was pretty much non-existent.
• 49:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what happens, okay, let's blitz, right?
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jordan love destroyed the bears blitz.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm trying to look for my nummer's dry shirt, I'm going to order all of this today.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nine of 12 against the bears blitz, 171 passing yards, three touchdowns, no picks.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: 156.3 pass rating, which I think is just a touch below perfect and the bear's past rush weekend week out.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not getting done.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: They've been creative a few times.
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying some things where they've kind of scheme guys up, but it's hard.
• 49:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have the bodies in look.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of money has spent there.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: You look.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: I said, Matt, that's what God is one sack, but
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing else, no one else is getting home.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just remember, Dexter is not taking a step this year.
• 50:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought he'd be a little better than he was.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Grated Jared was okay in the game, but he hasn't really given you much of a juice up the middle there.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, they gotta figure this past rush out and it may not be something you can do until the off season and then you kind of see what happened whether they addressed it at the draft or more free agents, money towards the d-line, but look, if you can't get to the quarterback, it's a passing league, right?
• 50:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if you can't get to the quarterback,
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a passing league.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're going to get lit up and Jordan love.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look them up yesterday.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to bring extra guys, better get there better because then you're stressing your corners.
• 50:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it's not fair to single them out.
• 50:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not fair to make me cloud to leave them out there for too long.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're doing here with a practice.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they call your number to bullets better get home.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that.
• 50:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's absolutely.
• 51:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, I got a couple.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, Jalen looks rusty, right?
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's call that what it is.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tyler Gordon, what's going on here, you know, just too cold to get it warmed up.
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man, like soft tissue injuries or rough.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I never want to harp on a guy for getting injured, but that is an issue if you can't be on the field.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so this worries me, but
• 51:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: taking yourself off, you know, through getting injured in warm ups, the game plans built around you.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Kyler Gordon's like the guy that you build a bit of a skimmer on.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I get that he wouldn't have played all of the snaps because you're still working back in.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of that game plan was absolutely built around him.
• 51:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: because he does things that other guys don't.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so now you're like, well, okay, we're going to have to ditch part of this game plan.
• 51:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have to put this guy in here.
• 51:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This guy's going to take more snaps.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to get a cloud out there for some snaps.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, availability is a skill.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so far, this year for sure, and throughout his career, Gordon has not been available.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so he needs to get a coldball here, even though we all like him.
• 52:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: These soft tissue injuries, they they've been lingering from some players a little too long and
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, at some point, to the bear is make a change in training staff and in strength conditioning.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know they brought a couple new strength to get it, guys, in this year, but the training staff still intact when they've had to carry over.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, sometimes when a new coach comes in, they don't make all those changes because they want to keep something in place.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't make every single change.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe Ben Johnson, like, look, we're going to let this ride for a year, kind of see I'll place out.
• 52:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would not be surprised to see if it make a change in the training staff because when you hear Ben Johnson talk about some of these injuries and and look coaches hate injuries as it is and they try and be as you know as as closely as correct I guess is not the right word for insult to the you want to be cool with it but it like you can feel it and you can hear it and it's like he's not you know if he's not very happy it was same with burden early in the in the offseason Gordon Johnson's things happen Kylie Gordon now is you know like said it's happened in
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I mean, like, how is this to the point where, you know, he cleared obviously all medical, so he was clear to play and, you know, was there something that wasn't feeling just quite right?
• 53:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he's wanted to get out there a little early and I don't know, it's just like, I'm with you though, man, it's, he's deaf and deserving of the cold bull.
• 53:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Even though injuries aren't his fault, the situation deserves a nice cold bull.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to take care of your body, you've got to take care of yourself.
• 53:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of the day, there's a little bit of that too.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I will say that you, Lester, a Wilthong Jr. and me, and everybody listening, had more receiving yards for the Chicago Bears yesterday than DJ Moore.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
• 53:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: So let's maybe put that out there that DJs,
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: role DJ himself, I don't know, like this thing has seemingly gone downhill from a production standpoint for sure, but also, you know, certainly in questioning whether or not DJ Moore is going to be around past this season.
• 54:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very strange because Ben Johnson talked about it after, in his taste press for talk about how, you know, he thought DJ was fine.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: He ran good routes.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he, he thought he had him, because Ben Johnson talked about each player they have designed as a primary, right?
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's he kind of mixes it up.
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said he thought more had, DJ more had more primary is built into the game plan than any other receiver in the game.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, for whatever reason he wasn't there when Caleb was going through his progressions.
• 54:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, one catch negative four yards is just
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: very strange and look he's coming off his his well-trained man of the year award winner for the bearer so he's obviously highly thought of in that locker room in the franchise and it's like it's not translating on the field and I could totally see a situation where they realize well he's making all this money he's not making that big of an impact whether it's like as whether it's the play calls fault whether it's Kayla fault whoever's fault it's not happening and you're making that kind of money
• 55:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got to make these tough cuts.
• 55:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think they may look to move on from DJ in the off-season.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, we haven't kind of talked about it all here, but just disappointing, especially with Rome out.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I wanted to make sure I called that out.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, they're just right.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have a couple of names written down here too.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you got?
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't the best game from Kalmanan guy, but 14 carries, 57 yards.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But,
• 55:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: his physicality when he runs.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, he had that one play where they kept replaying, where he chipped the Packers helmets.
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's obviously going to be part of every highlight reel for him from here on out in Chicago.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: He just brings that type of energy.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And here we are in the playoff run, right?
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: physical, beaten on guys.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He had a few runs where you thought it was just that he's just he's done and then he just kept turning his legs the old line got involved They kind of moved him around so he's playing a version.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just liked the way a cowman on guy plays football, you know, he plays football How if I was running back that's what I do now just get in there one cut and go because I don't have any skills So I've tried to do anyway, but he doesn't and he makes a work, you know, he just kind of goes and he has good vision
• 56:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, he's physical, you know, he wears on a defense, you know, he's not the biggest guy, but you kind of see him and you don't want to tackle that guy.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a ball energy.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's moving forward, you know, the rest of this season on the bear's playoff push here, it needs to be a really big part of this run down the stretch.
• 56:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen you throw a football, I've seen you catch a football.
• 56:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen you try to tuck it and run,
• 56:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: you're a big and posing guy, but I'm really thinking like you back in the day.
• 56:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: 40 years ago, do you want to pick up a fumble, right?
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: And been trucking along, you know, what you would have ran the ball like.
• 57:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just, as long as you're not asked to throw it.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you might be in better show.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I was like, in high school, I touched the ball once, and it was a on-site kick, I was front row.
• 57:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: The kicker just drilled it at me, like a line drive,
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Really instincts took over you didn't have time to think so what happened then the instincts took over get on Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like dude.
• 57:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I could have ran picked up a couple yards, but no years and years of coaches telling all all big guys to fall on it if you touch it.
• 57:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I just dropped
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, I've got one on side kick recovery in my in my day two.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I can still, I can still picture it.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I can still picture that one.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then, caught it and dropped say like I was taught.
• 57:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: So one return for zero yards.
• 57:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: I believe is my career return average.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: to do with you.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: So surprise on site, taking it at the big guy.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, mine.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I, it's sweat written down, just, you know, whatever you got the sack, nice effort sack, you know, CJ, GJ, six tackles, one interception, and then also got burnt.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I, Luther Burton, there's
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: becoming a bigger part of the offense every week, just kind of continuing to add, you know, snaps and obviously, bro was out, so you'd expect a little bit more out of him for this week, but he is kind of taking over, in my opinion, as the number two receiving option, Colson, Levelin, maybe the number two overall option, to to Rome, right?
• 58:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you're starting to see what this
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Prio might look like in the future with these young guys with Burton, with Lovelin and Rome.
• 58:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we call it.
• 58:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think Burton had a pretty good game, you know, he's again, we talk about bringing the energy.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He brings the energy, right, when he's out there, you know, he's always a threat.
• 59:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: He touched the ball, he's a threat to go all the way.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he has that yak on on there.
• 59:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you mentioned Lovelin too, I think Lovelin is another guy that, you know, you see him and you see, you know, Burton and you see Rome, you know, this could be your, your trifecta.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned Rome.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It makes you wonder how much distress factor bothered him these last few weeks.
• 59:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of went back and looked at when the injury could have happened and it's hard to tell obviously about the film, but you know, and I haven't seen if they mentioned it, but after the Ravens game was when he first started popping up on the IR.
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So if he's been nursing this stress factor since the Ravens game, you know, that's a lot of pain has been playing through.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's one of those things where it's not going to fully heal till he's just shut down.
• 59:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if they feel that it can't get worse, that's why I kind of am in playing it through it, but just like with Swift at some point, you got to shut these guys down and, you know, maybe sits down another week, maybe he's he's down for the Browns game, too.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, I think they can they're fine with it because.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not like we're talking about prime Brandon Marshall here just catching everything and putting up 1500 yards and, you know, I'm a big Rome fan, but I think you're okay with you have to sit him down if you have to have one more week and just kind of roll with burn and roll with, you know, is the key is roll with more loveland, you know, I think if that's what you have to do then and so be it.
• 1:00:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe get DJ more touch with some positive yards.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: They want to walk.
• 1:00:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it isn't that part of the beauty of a good balanced offense, right?
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I remember Bruce Arian's talking about years ago, he said, balanced offense doesn't mean that I need to have, you know, 30 passes and 30 carries.
• 1:00:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Balance offense means I need to get
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: equal shares to all my playmakers right and I kind of think about that with you got two different running backs with with different skill sets they've been really sharing the the rush load pretty well here with when they both been healthy you've got you know
• 1:00:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: loveland and burden and roam coming on like they've been sharing a pretty good target show now that's not great for the you fantasy football players out there you would prefer a you know a tighter tree and you know fewer options and guys to get you know to be more target monsters but for a balanced offense that's really great and then if a guy has to miss time or a guy goes down in the middle of the game
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so like, you know, and all these guys have that primary built in, you know, for X number of plays.
• 1:01:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
• 1:01:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, hey, we got a lot of guys.
• 1:01:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get them all involved.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to spread it around.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: No one, we don't need to count on any one player to to run the offense through the offense is the offense.
• 1:01:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And these guys can strip all contribute to it.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: as a fan, and as someone who really likes offensive football.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at the lions, right?
• 1:01:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: The lions kind of the same way.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of built around, you know, sharing the stuff.
• 1:02:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you do get that guy who's like, yeah, he's the stud, like, kind of, and Detroit, you're like, yeah, I'm going to say brown.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's just a really talented football player.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's not your guy.
• 1:02:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: You may not want to focus him.
• 1:02:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: but it's kind of how things run.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: They kind of work with it.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then this year now the the running back Gibbs really been the guy that's taken off.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's kind of getting the more of the carries.
• 1:02:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you kind of balance it out.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if you do get that stuff, let's say Rome becomes that guy, right?
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or Britain becomes that guy.
• 1:02:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, eventually sure, he's your true number one, but until you figure it out, you know, spread it around.
• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look, I love Colsonaltman.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he's
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The more I watch him play, the more impressed I am, I just think he's one of those guys where, you know, eventually he will be that that top echelon of tight ends, you know, once kind of, you know, gets, you know, in his body, the more he's the 21 years old, you know, he's he's still young, right?
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's he's still learning and growing, you know, but he's got so much potential.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's got great hands, probably the best hands on the team.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, it's again, we're coming off a loss here and there's so much positive stuff going forward here for this franchise, it's hard to be down even when it's the freaking pack or it's hard to be down because we see where this is headed.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready for the friggin' Browns game.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go!
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go!
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hit that forward on the week, and let's get to Sunday.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's focus on Cleveland.
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's focus on the Browns here.
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Anything before we turn it over to the YouTube comments and get out of here.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think it's just, you know, all the things that's fans, you know, it's, it's things, it sucks, it's the packers, but, you know, what's the big picture?
• 1:03:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Are you happy with the big picture of this team?
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: and put that damn game behind you.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's look forward to the Browns, handle our business in Cleveland, and now you're playing for the first place against the Packers in Soldier Field.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's it's it's still right there for you.
• 1:04:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bears control their own destiny.
• 1:04:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's friggin' December.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's great.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Still right there for you.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 1:04:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: All right.
• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:12
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• 1:04:18
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• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bear down.