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The Kenny Report | 15 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. The crime crisis in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: The Premier finally admits the problem, but gets hung up
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  Speaker 2: on politicking as state, federal and local politics focus on
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  Speaker 2: the crime crisis. I'll talk to the Melbourne Lord Mayor,
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas Reese. More killings in Gaza as Humas runs a
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  Speaker 2: muck and I'll show you how much of the media
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  Speaker 2: senses the truth in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: To suit their own narrative.
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  Speaker 2: As the last of the living hostages are freed, I'll
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  Speaker 2: cross to an organization that supports hostage families in Israel
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  Speaker 2: to find out about the challenges ahead. And back to
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  Speaker 2: our national energy self harm and the roundabout of subsidies.
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  Speaker 2: I'll catch up with Graham Lloyd, also Pauline Hansen and
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  Speaker 2: the Wednesday wrangle with Denika de Giorgio and Justin Smith.
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  Speaker 2: As the Liberal Party continues to talk about the Liberal Party,
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  Speaker 2: Let's get cracking. I want to start off with the
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  Speaker 2: crime crisis in this country, in particular in Victoria and
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  Speaker 2: even more particularly in Melbourne. Victorians are living this, but
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  Speaker 2: people around the country have seen the pictures. Yesterday heavily
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  Speaker 2: armed police scouring the city as an armed man ran
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  Speaker 2: rampant across the suburbs and into the CBD. Thankfully they
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  Speaker 2: arrested him and no shots were fired. There have been
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  Speaker 2: so many other examples though, from teenagers stabbed to death
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  Speaker 2: in the suburbs as machete crimes are on the rise
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  Speaker 2: and the government asked people to turn in their weapons,
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  Speaker 2: an alleged gunmen still on the run, presumably after two
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  Speaker 2: policemen were shot dead in the high Country, and yet
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  Speaker 2: more terrifying episodes in the city center as juvenile crime, theft,
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  Speaker 2: stolen vehicles and violence see crime rise to unprecedented levels.
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  Speaker 1: Things have gotten so so bad that.
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  Speaker 2: The Victorian premiere, so long in denial, has admitted a problem.
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  Speaker 3: This repeat pattern of brazen, dangerous and shocking behavior is
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  Speaker 3: causing a grave concern to all of us in the
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  Speaker 3: community and it must not be tolerated.
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  Speaker 2: And with state police resources stretched by crime and regular protests,
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  Speaker 2: Melbourne's Lord Mayor has stepped in with council paid safety
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  Speaker 2: officers and extra security cameras.
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  Speaker 4: We're really leaning in doubling the number of CCTV cameras,
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  Speaker 4: putting for the first time in this city's history, uniform
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  Speaker 4: officers on the street to be a very visible safety presence.
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  Speaker 2: My full interview with Nicholas Reese later in the program,
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  Speaker 2: but even the federal opposition leader was in Melbourne today
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  Speaker 2: confronting the crisis.
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  Speaker 5: I am really concerned with the fact that we have
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  Speaker 5: the crime statistics that we do in this city and
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  Speaker 5: in this state, and when you consider that there's a
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  Speaker 5: thousand young offenders that are cycling through the bail system,
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  Speaker 5: being released continually onto the streets to commit more crimes,
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  Speaker 5: you realize that this labor government has not got the
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  Speaker 5: situation under control.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lee's right, the state labor government does not have
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  Speaker 2: it under control, but they don't like people pointing that out.
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  Speaker 3: When Susan lay comes to town, when she travels from
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  Speaker 3: into state and comes into Victoria, we know she's not
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  Speaker 3: focused on what's best for Victoria. She's only focused on
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  Speaker 3: bringing politics and division, which is so typical of the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party, whether it's the federal Liberal Party or the
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  Speaker 3: State Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 1: They're all about.
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  Speaker 3: Punching down on Victoria and Victorians.
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  Speaker 2: How pathetic. Talking about crime is not sparking division. Advocating
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  Speaker 2: more policing, better policing, tougher courts, tougher life laws. That's
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  Speaker 2: not sowing division, it's fulfilling a duty as a politician.
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  Speaker 2: What fuels division is allowing crime to escalate, making people
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  Speaker 2: feel frightened and leading them to constantly look over their shoulder.
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  Speaker 2: That divides the community. Law and order does not. The
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  Speaker 2: Police Commissioner agrees that the state needs more police on
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  Speaker 2: the streets.
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  Speaker 6: We've got a lot of police officers that really want
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  Speaker 6: to get out on the street and do the job
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  Speaker 6: they join to do. Our people are extremely capable, so
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  Speaker 6: we've got to reorganize ourselves to ensure that we enable
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  Speaker 6: them to get out on the streets, prevent crime, answer
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  Speaker 6: calls for service, be really visible in communities because we've
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  Speaker 6: got to turn this around. The level of crime is unacceptable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, less paperwork, more policing, and yet unacceptable levels of crime.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the police commissioner said. That's just a fact.
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  Speaker 2: Just into Allen needs to stop playing politics against those
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  Speaker 2: who point out the problem and concentrate on.
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  Speaker 1: How she can solve it.
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  Speaker 2: Let me give you an early warning. I'm about to
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  Speaker 2: show you something terrible. It's vision of the crawl and
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  Speaker 2: bloodthirsty murders still happening in Gaza, even though the ceasefire
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  Speaker 2: is in place and the war we hope is over.
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  Speaker 2: You see, Hummus are now back in control of the
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  Speaker 2: central areas vacated by the Israeli defense forces under the ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: and Hummus, as is their way, as has always been
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  Speaker 2: their way, have been executing their rivals or anyone who
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  Speaker 2: dares to oppose them.
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  Speaker 1: And while we.
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  Speaker 2: Won't show you the actual executions, this is distressing vision. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: how about the crowds gathering to watch that was Gaza yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: This is terrible. It's nothing new.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, Hummas has operated like this for the two
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  Speaker 2: decades that it's run Gaza, and it just shows you
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  Speaker 2: why Israel, with America's backing, was right to try to
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  Speaker 2: eliminate Hummas after the October the seventh atrocities. And by
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  Speaker 2: the way, it also underlines why Anthony Albanesi has been
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  Speaker 2: so wrong so often by repeatedly calling for ceasefires when
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  Speaker 2: Hamas and Hezbolla in the North were all powerful raining
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  Speaker 2: rockets on Israel, killing innocence and terrorizing populations Israeli and
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  Speaker 2: Palestinians alike. Alberizi kept saying that Israel should stop pursuing.
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  Speaker 1: Hummas what lunacy.
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  Speaker 2: The latest killings also show why it's imperative that the
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  Speaker 2: remnants of Hamas are disarmed as soon as possible, as
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  Speaker 2: they are supposed to do under Stage two of the
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  Speaker 2: peace Plan, a point underlined today by the US President.
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  Speaker 5: We have told them we want disarm and they're will disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't disarmed, we will disarm them.
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  Speaker 7: And it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they're will disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand me? This is the critical next step.
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  Speaker 2: But the point I want to make today relates to
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  Speaker 2: the media coverage of these executions, and not because I
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  Speaker 2: want to play games by poking fun at media rivals.
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  Speaker 1: This stuff is important.
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  Speaker 2: The coverage of the Gaza war has been dishonest and distorted,
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  Speaker 2: as I've shown you time and time again, and this
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  Speaker 2: has actually impacted on events. The propaganda coming out of
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  Speaker 2: Gaza amplified by the media in the West.
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  Speaker 1: The self censorship of the.
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  Speaker 2: Western media as they've demonized Israel, well, that's helped to
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  Speaker 2: turn popular opinion against Israel, and it's led to governments
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  Speaker 2: like Australia's abandoning Israel and recognizing a non existent Palestinian state,
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  Speaker 2: and this, of course has only emboldened hum Us and
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  Speaker 2: therefore extended the war. It's my view that if the
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  Speaker 2: international media had reported accurately and fairly on this war,
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  Speaker 2: and governments had kept the pressure on hum Us rather
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  Speaker 2: than demonized Israel, well the war would have been over
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  Speaker 2: much earlier, perhaps a year earlier, with fewer lives lost,
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  Speaker 2: of course, but we'll never know anyway. Let me explain
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  Speaker 2: how these executioners and their coverage give away the bias
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  Speaker 2: and deceptions of the media. Remember, just a few weeks
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  Speaker 2: ago I reported similar executions, revealed how much of the media,
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  Speaker 2: including our taxpayer funded ABC, we're not reporting them. A
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  Speaker 2: warning again, distressing pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Here.
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  Speaker 2: These are Hummas terrorists who still control the people of Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: are still fighting against Israel, and here they are executing
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  Speaker 2: at least three people accused of collaborating with Israel. We
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  Speaker 2: won't show you what happens next, but believe me, the
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  Speaker 2: video does show the executions. This is the reality of
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  Speaker 2: Hummas run Gaza, exposed on the very day that our
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  Speaker 2: government recognized the non existent state of Palestine, which is
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  Speaker 2: half run by Hummas. At the moment, and while the
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  Speaker 2: ABC gave blanket coverage of Albanezi and Wong in New York,
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  Speaker 2: we have found no coverage of these real events in
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  Speaker 2: Gaza on the ABC website. Perhaps they'll enlighten us, but
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  Speaker 2: this is happening. Even though the BBC reported these executions,
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  Speaker 2: they verified that the video was shot in the middle
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  Speaker 2: of Gaza City.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently none of this was news at the ABC.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I've also shown you how Senator just into Namba, jimper
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  Speaker 2: Price saw that report and put the relevant questions directly
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  Speaker 2: to the ABC boss and got very little in response.
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  Speaker 9: On Sky News the Kenny Report on Tuesday, the twenty
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  Speaker 9: third of September, Kenny noted that while the ABC gave
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  Speaker 9: blanket coverage of Albanesian Wong in New York, we have
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  Speaker 9: found no coverage of these real events in Gaza on
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  Speaker 9: the ABC website.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 9: I've also done a bit of research for ABC's coverage
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  Speaker 9: of this story, and I haven't found anything. I'm happy
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  Speaker 9: to stand corrected if that's not the case, But it
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  Speaker 9: appears as though these events weren't widely covered by the ABC,
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  Speaker 9: and I expose I'd like to understand why that's the case.
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  Speaker 10: The particular story you refer to in terms of mister Kenny,
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  Speaker 10: I'm not aware of that particular story, not aware of
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  Speaker 10: the decision that was made to cover or not cover
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  Speaker 10: that particular issue. Obviously, I don't have any doubt that
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  Speaker 10: the ABC has covered the atrocities of hummas and how they.
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  Speaker 1: Operate.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think our audience would be any doubts about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I beg to differ.
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  Speaker 2: If you relied on the ABC, you'd have very little
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  Speaker 2: idea about the horrors of Hummus.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I've done an online search and I can't find any
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  Speaker 2: reporting of those executions last month in the nine media newspapers,
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  Speaker 2: either the Citny Morning Herald and the Age.
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  Speaker 1: The point is that while.
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  Speaker 2: The green left media was busy demonizing Israel, then showing
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  Speaker 2: the ruthless violence of Hummus just didn't suit their narrative.
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  Speaker 2: So often, it's not about the facts with these people,
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  Speaker 2: it's about the narrative. But today, with the war over
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  Speaker 2: for now, we saw the latest execuse. Execu Houston's were covered.
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  Speaker 2: The nine media newspapers ran the story and we could
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  Speaker 2: see straight away Wyatt now suited their narrative. The killings
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  Speaker 2: threatened Trump's Gaza Peace Plan, as US President Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: and other world leaders were promising peace. The article said
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  Speaker 2: Hummas fighters dragged seven men into a small square in
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  Speaker 2: Gaza City, forced them to kneel on the ground, and
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  Speaker 2: shot them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: An earlier headline even directly referenced the Trump peace plan.
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  Speaker 1: The executioners suit.
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  Speaker 2: Their narrative now because they can be used against Trump's
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  Speaker 2: peace plan to suggest it's not working, whereas previously they
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  Speaker 2: helped to justify Israel's war. The war by the way
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  Speaker 2: that Trump supported pretty clear, isn't it. It's pretty sick.
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  Speaker 2: It's the same for the ABC. Hummus executions they failed
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  Speaker 2: to report while the war continued, they now report as
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  Speaker 2: a threat to the peace plan. The ABC reported how
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  Speaker 2: seven men were dragged into the Gaza City square, hands
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  Speaker 2: tied behind their backs, forced to their knees, and shot
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  Speaker 2: from behind as dozens of people looked on. The ABC
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  Speaker 2: report then said Donald Trump has previously given his blessing
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  Speaker 2: to hum Us to reassert some control of Gaza, at
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  Speaker 2: least temporarily.
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  Speaker 1: You see what they did there.
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  Speaker 2: When Israel was fighting a war against Hummas with Trump's support,
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  Speaker 2: Hummus executions were not worth reporting. Now there's a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 2: Hummus executioners are worth reporting because they're Trump's fault. I
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  Speaker 2: keep telling you most of the media doesn't exist to
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  Speaker 2: inform you. They are out to misinform you. This is
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  Speaker 2: just intellectually and morally indefensible and then never held to account. Now,
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  Speaker 2: of course it's a good thing that the leftist media
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  Speaker 2: is now reporting these executions. They should be sharing the
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  Speaker 2: fact about the barbarity and the evil of Hummas. But
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  Speaker 2: it's worth noting why they've changed their approach. One ABC
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  Speaker 2: reporter even spoke about Hummas' barbarity on the seven thirty
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  Speaker 2: program last night.
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  Speaker 11: So what Hamas does in these occasions when the Israeli
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  Speaker 11: troops pull out is try and reassert control right across
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  Speaker 11: the areas that the IDF has left in Gaza, strip
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  Speaker 11: try to eliminate rivals. It justifies it by saying these
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  Speaker 11: are collaborators with Israel, but really this is also an
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  Speaker 11: exercise in control in saying we are still here, we
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  Speaker 11: are still the main force in Gaza and where the
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  Speaker 11: dominant faction on the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it might have been a good idea to talk
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  Speaker 1: a little more about those sorts of tactics over the
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  Speaker 1: past two years.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you think perhaps the ABC will soon get around
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  Speaker 2: to noting that Hammas is an Islamist extremist outfit too,
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  Speaker 2: rather than pretending they're fighting for a Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 1: But don't hold your breath.
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  Speaker 2: Look at the ABC's news coverage last night about yesterday's
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  Speaker 2: momentous events and the release of the final twenty Israeli hostages.
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  Speaker 12: The families of the returned Israeli hostages tightly embracing their
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  Speaker 12: loved ones, the feeling of joy reflected in Tel Aviv's
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  Speaker 12: hostage Square.
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  Speaker 10: It was really hard to keep hoping and believing, but.
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  Speaker 6: Amazingly it's worked, and they're.
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  Speaker 1: Hard not bad.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there was nothing about the torture and the
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  Speaker 2: trauma they'd been through, or how they were innocence kidnapped
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  Speaker 2: for no plausible reason, or that a hundred of their
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  Speaker 2: compatriots were killed in captivity.
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  Speaker 1: But at least the ABC shared some of the joy
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  Speaker 1: and the relief. But then have a look at how.
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  Speaker 2: They covered Palestinian prisoners being released, suspected roist and convicted
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  Speaker 2: murderersm the.
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  Speaker 13: Like excitement builds to a hero's welcome. These are among
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  Speaker 13: thousands of Palestinians detained by Israel during the war and
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  Speaker 13: held without charge. Seventeen hundred have been released into the
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  Speaker 13: arms of families and friends. The time spent behind bars
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  Speaker 13: etched on their faces.
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  Speaker 1: It was terrible. Two years of torture, of pain. They
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  Speaker 1: broke us day and night.
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  Speaker 13: Main Wach says he also suffered abuse after his arrest
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  Speaker 13: a year ago in northern Ghazavidma.
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  Speaker 1: Every day they would beat us. Well of the Secret
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  Speaker 1: Service also beat me. Torture was daily.
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  Speaker 13: Similar scenes playing out in the West Bank as prisoners
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  Speaker 13: serving life sentences for security offenses were released.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, less than Number one of the Islamist terrorist Handbook
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  Speaker 2: is that if you're ever captured, you must claim that
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  Speaker 2: you were tortured in captivity.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone with any knowledge of terror groups knows this basic rule.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC just runs with those claims unchecked, of course, unverifiable.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC failed to mention either the murder offenses and
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  Speaker 2: the terrorist atrocities of those prisoners released. They just said
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  Speaker 2: they were in prison for security offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently that's the ABC for you.
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  Speaker 2: It takes the release of innocent hostages kidnapped, held and
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  Speaker 2: starved over two years, while one hundred fellow hostages were killed,
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  Speaker 2: and its news coverage virtually equates that with the release
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  Speaker 2: of terrorists arrested for murders and atrocities and others detained
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  Speaker 2: for suspicion of terrorism links. And as ever, it's the
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  Speaker 2: Islamist terrorists and the terrorst suspects who are portrayed as
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  Speaker 2: the victims.
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  Speaker 1: It's extraordinary when.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the people whose taxes pay their wages at
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  Speaker 2: the ABC would actually prefer a national broadcaster that calls
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  Speaker 2: out the evils of Islam's terrorism and shares all the
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  Speaker 2: relevant facts.
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  Speaker 1: Let's catch up now with Pauline Hanson, the leader and.
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  Speaker 2: Founder of One Nation. Good to talk to you again, Pauline.
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  Speaker 2: While we're on the Middle East, I've got to talk
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  Speaker 2: about your call for gars and refugees, people who came
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  Speaker 2: here under temporary visas from Gaza, and you want them
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  Speaker 2: to go back.
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  Speaker 1: To Gaza already.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it a bit soon, given Humas still in control
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  Speaker 2: of parts of it and the place hasn't been rebuilt.
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  Speaker 8: No, I don't think it's too soon. Center Back. They
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  Speaker 8: shouldn't have never have been brought out here in the
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  Speaker 8: first place. Chris, when you've got twenty countries that have
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  Speaker 8: signed this peace agreement. Let them go to some Muslim
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  Speaker 8: country or some Arab country where they should have gone
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  Speaker 8: the first place, not here to Australia. And with the
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  Speaker 8: Palestinian protesters still on our streets every weekend, I'm sure
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  Speaker 8: they'll join them in the protest against Australians, all the
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  Speaker 8: Jews in this country. Now, Chris, I don't care. I
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  Speaker 8: really don't care. My obligation is to the people of
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  Speaker 8: Australia first and foremost. We have got people who can't
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  Speaker 8: get housing, people living in the cars, families, we've got
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  Speaker 8: people who are actually CouchSurfing. So no, my concern is
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  Speaker 8: for the people of Australia first and foremost. They came
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  Speaker 8: out here in tourist visas. Then they're going to convert
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  Speaker 8: to other visas which will give them time in here
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  Speaker 8: for eight for three years. I should say no, send
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  Speaker 8: them back now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I certainly think they shouldn't have come here in
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  Speaker 2: the first place. Why Australia takes more refugees from Gaza
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  Speaker 2: than anybody else, including the neighboring and Muslim countries, is
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  Speaker 2: beyond me. And we're getting far too little information from
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  Speaker 2: the federal government.
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  Speaker 1: About this. Here's the Home Affairs Minister. Do you know Rabe,
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  Speaker 1: how many people are likely to come here?
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  Speaker 11: Minister?
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  Speaker 14: The number of visa holders who are still there is
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  Speaker 14: in the the order of six to seven hundred. That's
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  Speaker 14: the And there has never been a group where we
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  Speaker 14: have conducted more security checks. The work that's been done
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  Speaker 14: is very thorough, and they have family connections to Australias.
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's just extraordinary that he doesn't want to reveal
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  Speaker 2: the numbers, and it sounds like even more people might
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  Speaker 2: come out now after the war is finished. Look, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's just impractical and inhumane to send people back
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  Speaker 2: in the Gaza now. But I think you'll mention of
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  Speaker 2: third countries is relevant. Those who sought temporary sanction sanctuary
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  Speaker 2: in Australia could certainly, for instance, be sent back to
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  Speaker 2: Egypt because Egypt now apparently after not taking gars and refugees,
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  Speaker 2: is going to take some of these criminals and alleged
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  Speaker 2: criminals that have been freed from Israeli prisons.
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  Speaker 8: Chris send them back because the fact is no security
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  Speaker 8: checks haven't been done on this people. What I've heard
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  Speaker 8: is about an hour, maybe twenty four hours that they
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: were given the visas. I'm sorry, it's not good enough.
• 21:05
  Speaker 8: And Tony Burke can't tell me otherwise or the Austrange
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: people that we are on our probable national security risk
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: at the moment for a terrorist attack on us. How
• 21:15
  Speaker 8: do we know who these people are? I'm sorry, but
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: our country we need to be strongest, more stringent on
• 21:21
  Speaker 8: who we bring them the country. We know who we're
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: bringing in and why we bringing them into the country. Sorry,
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: I don't want these people here, and most of them
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: when seventy or seventy five percent of people from Gaza
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: support her MAUS the terrorist organization, Well, I'm sorry, I
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: don't want those people astraight and I will damn We'll
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: say it, and a lot of strains are back in
• 21:39
  Speaker 8: Mere because I tell you what, I've had eleven thousand
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: comments on my letter to the Prime Minister and one
• 21:45
  Speaker 8: hundred thousand people have supported it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: No, I've got no doubt about that. As I say,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I disagree with the move to bring them here, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: we saw Tony Burke for some reason welcoming some cohorts
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of them here. It is just bizarre for a country
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that is continuously tried to keep out of the diplomacy
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: and this has picked it all wrong to somehow where
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the country that gets most of the refugees. I want
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: to swing on to the opposition though, the coalition, the
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Liberal Party in particular. One of the better performers, Senator
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: James Patterson's spoke and gave a major speech last night,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: but unfortunately it was mainly about the Liberal Party.
• 22:22
  Speaker 15: Here it is, there is a time limit on this
• 22:26
  Speaker 15: soul searching process. We must do it now, at the
• 22:30
  Speaker 15: start of the term so that it does not drag
• 22:33
  Speaker 15: on forever. An ongoing mass public therapy session doesn't exactly
• 22:39
  Speaker 15: scream ready for government.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah he's right, isn't he?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: But unfortunately for now he's just contributing to it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Isn't that time over? You know, the election was a
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: long time ago. Get on with it.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: I totally agree with you. You know, a lot of
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: the Libs are getting splendors in their backsides from sitting
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: on the fence too long. Don't which way to actually
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: jump with it, And the problem is they're losing a
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: lot of their support and a lot of people are
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: coming across the one nation. I'm decisive in my policies.
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: I'm all the time raising issues that the Liberal Party
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: taking up our policies. People want mass migration, zero Netzera,
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: address and the cost of living, and we have the
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: policies to do that the lives. If they don't haven't
• 23:21
  Speaker 8: got their act together by now, they never will have.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Well, deep down, you want them to keep going like
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that because it's very good for.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Your polling numbers at the moment. While they talk about
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: themselves certainly.
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: And there I think I'm a better option to her
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: than her.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us again, Pauline, Pauline Hans in their
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: lives from the Sunshine Coast.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I want to get back to the Middle East now.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: And overnight, Israel's military confirmed that Humas returned the bodies
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of four more deceased hostages. There are twenty bodies of
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Israeli hostages now still remaining though in Gaza. For the
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: freed hostages. Today of course, was Day two of freedom.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: It's a massive readjustment. And one group who's been at
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: the forefront of advocating for hostages and their families and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: helping them in Israel is the Hostages and Missing Families Forum.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: It's a volunteer organization with.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: No political affiliations, and it's provided advocacy through the media
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: and diplomatic channels. They do great work. I visited their
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: offices in Israel earlier this year. Daniel Sheck is a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: former Israeli diplomat. He's head of diplomacy at the Hostages
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and Missing Families Forum. He joins me live from Tel Aviv.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Daniel.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I think it was a really.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Opportune time to talk to you, firstly, just to get
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: your reaction to what's unfolded over the last forty eight hours.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: You've been dealing with these families daily for two years.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: The euphoria must have been extraordinary.
• 24:49
  Speaker 13: You know.
• 24:51
  Speaker 16: First of all, it has to be said that two
• 24:53
  Speaker 16: years is far too long, and there might have been
• 24:57
  Speaker 16: opportunities to end this earlier. But that is, as they say,
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: water under the bridge. But it was amazing to see
• 25:07
  Speaker 16: these families of the twenty, the last twenty living hostages,
• 25:14
  Speaker 16: their faces suddenly transform. It's as if a veil has
• 25:19
  Speaker 16: been lifted from their faces and suddenly they could smile
• 25:27
  Speaker 16: in full honesty, including with their eyes. And that is
• 25:32
  Speaker 16: such a wonderful sight to witness, and you know, it's
• 25:39
  Speaker 16: a wonderful moment. But I think that at the forum.
• 25:46
  Speaker 16: We are ready to regroup and to resume the advocacy
• 25:52
  Speaker 16: and the fight until the very last hostage is returned,
• 25:57
  Speaker 16: including the deceased.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Indeed that the twenty bodies still not returned. I'll come
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: back to that work in a moment. But when I met.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You, you introduced me to Vicky Cohen. I met her
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: in Tel Aviv.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We've interviewed her on this program some months ago, so
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I just want to share. She's spoken now after being
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: reunited with her son Nimrod. The pictures we've just seen,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: but she's spoken about that overnight.
• 26:22
  Speaker 17: Have a look that expectation, the anticipation, the uncertainty, everything
• 26:28
  Speaker 17: was sort of channeled into one moment with an amazing
• 26:32
  Speaker 17: excitement that one cannot even describe in words. And when
• 26:36
  Speaker 17: we were reunited, we couldn't say anything. We just embraced
• 26:41
  Speaker 17: each other and we let to those tears. You come
• 26:45
  Speaker 17: down freely and openly. And don't be confused. That smile
• 26:52
  Speaker 17: is not saying that there's happiness. There's a long path
• 26:55
  Speaker 17: on the ahead of him, but we will embrace him
• 26:59
  Speaker 17: and hand in hand we will accompany him on that path,
• 27:04
  Speaker 17: full of hope to recovery.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It's just wonderful to hear all about that and see it, Daniel.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: But it's going to be a massive readjustment for obviously
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: the hostages after two years of censory deprivation and deprivation
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: of everything else, and of.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Course the families.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: As you've explained to me, I wonder if you could
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: share with our viewers. So many of them have had
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: their whole lives on hold for two years. They couldn't work,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: they couldn't go on with their normal lives because they
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: had to plow themselves full time into campaigning for their
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: loved ones release.
• 27:40
  Speaker 16: Yes, absolutely, I think Vicky Cohen and I mean nim
• 27:45
  Speaker 16: Rod Coin's family is a very good example because the
• 27:49
  Speaker 16: entire family, You the dad, Vicki the mom, your Tom
• 27:57
  Speaker 16: the brother, the older brother, and Romi the twin sister.
• 28:04
  Speaker 16: They were all mobilized. The entire family was active. They
• 28:08
  Speaker 16: traveled around the world to speak up for Nimrod and
• 28:13
  Speaker 16: for the other hostages. Both the parents abandoned their regular
• 28:19
  Speaker 16: jobs and were completely devoted to the plight of the
• 28:24
  Speaker 16: hostages and their families. And I am confident that they
• 28:28
  Speaker 16: will not abandon the fight even now. I mean, I'm
• 28:33
  Speaker 16: sure they will take a few days to bask in
• 28:39
  Speaker 16: the joy of getting Nimrod back in a reasonably decent shape,
• 28:47
  Speaker 16: as they themselves describe. But yes, they are a good example.
• 28:52
  Speaker 16: And we're talking about many hundreds of people. I remind
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: you that there were two hundred and fifty one hostages
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: at the beginning and fifty one families. That's thousands of people.
• 29:03
  Speaker 16: And although the number diminished with time because many of
• 29:06
  Speaker 16: the hostages were returned in either alive or murdered, but
• 29:13
  Speaker 16: still a very large number of families are still involved
• 29:17
  Speaker 16: in this civil society organization. It has to be said,
• 29:21
  Speaker 16: it's one hundred percent civil society.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel, Briefly, because they're running out of time, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: just want you to talk to you. I want you
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: to share with us what your organization will continue to do,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: presumably providing moral support for those families, but as you mentioned,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: still campaigning, of course, for twenty families who are still
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: waiting for the remains of their loved ones.
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: Right possibly twenty one, because one of the four bodies
• 29:48
  Speaker 16: returned yesterday was not identified and might not be one
• 29:53
  Speaker 16: of the hostages, but that remains to be seen. But yes,
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: we consider from the beginning we considered all all two
• 30:00
  Speaker 16: hundred and fifty one hostages as hostages. And since now
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: we know that there are only remains of hostages to
• 30:09
  Speaker 16: be returned, it doesn't matter to us and we will
• 30:12
  Speaker 16: continue to advocate for their release. And it's not just advocacy,
• 30:17
  Speaker 16: it is part of the agreement that was signed by
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: both sides and from US has to abide babes. They're
• 30:23
  Speaker 16: already in breach of that agreement.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Indeed, let's hope that we can get peace of mind
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: for those families as soon as possible. Thanks for joining us, Daniel,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it greatly. Daniel check there who as you heard,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: is heavily involved in this work and it goes on
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: for those poor families who just want to bury their
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: loved ones.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Now coming up after the.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Break, when we get back into the national Energy self harm,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd from The Australian will pick through the latest
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: developments with me. News today that hundreds of jobs in
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the renewable energy sector will be lost in the UK
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: and Australia as mining billionaire Twiggy Forest winds back his
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: net zero operations.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Forest Fordeskew operations have already.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Pulled out of major green hydrogen projects in Australia that
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: had been offered multi billion dollar government subsidies. His net
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: zero engineering operations are now looking more to China, the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: world's largest greenhouse gas emitting country. Of course, back in Australia,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: subsidies continue for home batteries and for copper smelting operations,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and for household power bills, and for renewable energy projects,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: and also for coal fired power stations. As electricity bills
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: rise and our energy mess continues. Let's check in on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: all of this with The Australian's Environment editor Graham Lloyd.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Graham. We haven't caught
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: up for a while. I want to start off on
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: this subsidy merry go round because people talk about the
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: energy market, but when you think about all the subsidies
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: for renewables on this subsidies for home batteries and the
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: subsidies for electric vehicles, and the direct subsidies to our
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: power bills, and subsidies to keep the coal fired power
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: stations going because we can't go on without them, and
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: then subsidies for copper smelters and refineries because they're going
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: broke with electricity prices.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: It seems as.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: An enormous amount of government money trying to prop up
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: a failing system.
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's good evening, cre it's good to talk. It's
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: certainly at some stage it starts to look like real money,
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: doesn't that we're subsidizing everything that moves. And really it's
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: a serious situation because the government is being encouraged to
• 32:41
  Speaker 7: double down at every turn, and the private sector is
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: making promises about the way things can happen, and then
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: often they turn out that they don't happen that way,
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: but the government and electricity bill payers are left holding
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: the can. I think the latest four s Q one
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: is a good illustration because Andrew Forrest is saying he's
• 33:02
  Speaker 7: going to reach a real zero by twenty thirty at
• 33:07
  Speaker 7: his mining operations. So that will involve electric trucks and
• 33:10
  Speaker 7: all sorts of other things which he was developing in
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: the UK and planning to build there. But he's had
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: the epiphany, Look, it's not possible to do heavy engineering
• 33:22
  Speaker 7: outside of China, so he's gone back there with the
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: orders for the trucks. They'll pick up the business. They
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: will use power from Cole no doubt to do that manufacturing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: And again we miss out now. His other strategy is
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: we're going to have a green steel industry, and that
• 33:45
  Speaker 7: is really designed to keep his fource kew iron ore
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: operations in business. And that's far from proven and requires
• 33:53
  Speaker 7: massive state subsidies to get it up and going. So
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: the money train continues.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me Andrew Forrest in particular talks a big game
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: on net zero, but then the reality hits the business
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and they back out of these arrangements and do something else.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: The difference is the politicians is they talk a big
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: game and when it doesn't work out, they just chuck
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: in more of our money to make it work. So
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: it's a bit of a worry tell us about the
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: reality check we're starting to get overseas though, the overseas
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: political debate led by people like former Labor PM of
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the UK, Tony Blair, there's much more realism coming into
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the debate that doesn't seem to have hit home with
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: the Australian government.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: That's I think it's fair to say quis where sort
• 34:40
  Speaker 7: of several years behind the curve in Australia with what
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: is happening in other places.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: The UK, we've got two.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Former prime ministers now Tony Blair, and Boris Johnson both
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: saying that look, they got swept away a little bit
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: with the net zero ambition, that it's a lot harder
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: and a lot more expensive than they envisioned. We're seeing
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: the Tory Party now make it part of its platform
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: that it's going to withdraw from the legislation that's resulting
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: in high power prices and big subsidies and what have you.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: So they've recognized that the consumer tolerance has been breached.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: And then at the same time in the US there's
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: a lot of headlines around Donald Trump withdrawing from the
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: Paris Agreement, but there's also a substantial pushback on the
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: political interpretation of the science. Yes, a fairly comprehensive review
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: has really said, well, you know, a lot of the
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: things that come out of politicians' mouths don't reflect the
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: state of the science. And that's a debate that we're
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: really forbidden to have in Australia. But it's probably one
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: that we should.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We absolutely should, and there should be more of it.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: And you're one of the few.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: People who writes accurately about it and airs those facts.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So thanks for joining us again, Graham. I appreciate Graham.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Lloyd there the Environment editor at The Australian. If you
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: want to delve into that scientific debate as well, get
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: into last Weekends Australian. You'll find it online where Graham
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Lord has gone into some of those latest developments in detail.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break down on the other
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: side of that. I'm going to go back to Melbourne
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and Lord me and Nicholas Reees. I'll show you that
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: full interview I did with him about the city's crime crisis.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Let's get back to the crime crisis and focus on
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Melbourne in particular. Late last month, four teenagers were charged
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: after allegedly driving a stolen car into the Burke Street mall.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Well yesterday a man was charged after an alleged crime
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: spree involving two carjackings. It's so bad that even the
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Victorian Premier, justin to Alan, has finally admitted there's a problem.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: This repeat pattern of brazen, dangerous and shocking behavior is
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: causing a grave concern to all of us in the
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: community and it must not be tolerated.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: I caught up with Melbourne Lord Mayor Nicholas Reese earlier
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and so that when the Premiere admits there's a problem,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: in the community, then Melbourne really does have a crime problem.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Well, look, Melbourne is a safe city, but we do
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: have a crime level which is simply too high and
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: we need to be doing all we can to get
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: it down. The state government certainly has a role to
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: play in leading the effort, but also, Chris, at the
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: City of Melbourne, we believe we can play a helping
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: role as well. We don't have all the leavers of
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: the state, but we can be part of a solution.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: So for our part here at the City of Melbourne,
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: we're doing things like doubling the number of CCTV cameras
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: across the city. We're also introducing Community Safety Officers CSOs
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: employed by the City of Melbourne in uniform on the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: streets from the end of this month.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Those two statements seem to be contradictory to say that
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Melbourne is a safe city but crime is too high,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: in fact so high that you're putting extra council resources
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to help out the police.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, by any international comparison, Melbourne
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: is a safe city. That's the basis on which I
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: make that claim. But I'm the first to say, Chris
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: that we need to do more you know, when I
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: ran for election last year, Chris I said making Melbourne
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: safe was going to be my most pressing priority, and
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: so we're really leaning in doubling the number of CCTV cameras,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: putting for the first time in this city's history, uniform
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: officers on the street to be a very visible safety
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: presence the pre certain actions because we need to make
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Melbourne safer.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to interrupt.
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: There.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Will those officers have the commensurate powers as police officers.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: What will they be able to do.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: They will be sworn officers. They won't carry a firearm,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: but they will have handcuffs, they'll have kevlar vests, they'll
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: have body cams, they'll be very much trained in how
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: to manage a hostile situation, and they will have the
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: power to make arrest. So they're not trying to replace
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: police officers, but they will be in uniform and they'll
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: be a very visible safety presence. And look, I think
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: they will make a difference. Just having those extra uniforms
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: on the street keeping people safe, I think is very important.
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: They'll also be trained in how to manage those situations
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: you see on the streets of big cities as well.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes the right response from an officer is hey,
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: what are you up to? Sometimes the right response is
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: do you need a helping hand? And so they will
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: work with the community. They're not going to try and
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: replace police officers, but there are going to be a
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: new presence on our streets. As I said, we haven't
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: seen this in any other capital cities around Australia, but
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: we're doing it for the first time here in Melbourne
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: because you know, under this council we're going to do
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: everything we possibly can to make sure Melbourne is as
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: safe as it can possibly be.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: We'll come back to that first off, We'll just look
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: at thetistics to say that it proves that they do.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: The numbers don't lie. They say that Victoria's crime rate
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: has saw to the highest levels on record, driven by
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: a spike in thefts, and that Melbourne remains the local
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: government area with the highest rate of crime. And the
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Federal Opposition leader Susan Lee is in Melbourne today.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Here's what she's had to say.
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: I am really concerned with the fact that we have
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: the crime statistics that we do in this city and
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  Speaker 5: in this state, and when you consider that there's one
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  Speaker 5: thousand young offenders that are cycling through the bail system,
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  Speaker 5: being released continually onto the streets to commit more crimes.
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  Speaker 5: You realize that this labor government has not got the
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  Speaker 5: situation under control.
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  Speaker 2: So federal government, state government and local government all involved.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that you're having to put sworn officers onto
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  Speaker 2: the streets from the council, doesn't that show that the
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  Speaker 2: state government is not doing enough on law enforcement, that
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  Speaker 2: the police perhaps don't have the resources they need.
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  Speaker 4: Look, the approach I'm taking to this crease is to say,
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  Speaker 4: if we can do something to help, then we will. Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: in local government we don't have all the leavers, but
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  Speaker 4: we believe we can be part of the solution and
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  Speaker 4: we want to work with the state, with the federal
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  Speaker 4: government as well to make Melbourne safe. I mean, we
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  Speaker 4: were very encouraged to hear the new Chief Commissioner, Mike
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  Speaker 4: Bush this week talking about getting police out onto the
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  Speaker 4: front lines, out onto the streets again. You know, there
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  Speaker 4: is a view that too much of police time has
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: been taken up with paperwork and working on task forces
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  Speaker 4: for this and that. So to hear the new commissioners
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  Speaker 4: focus on really making sure resource is going to get
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  Speaker 4: to where it's needed most. I think that's very encouraging.
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  Speaker 4: I had a meeting with the Chief Commissioner last week.
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  Speaker 4: We've agreed that the City of Melbourne and Victoria Police
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  Speaker 4: are going to enter into an MoU with each other. Again,
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  Speaker 4: this has never been done before, but we're going to
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  Speaker 4: make sure that here at the capital City of Victoria, Melbourne,
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  Speaker 4: that we are working hand in love with the police
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  Speaker 4: where you understand what our respective roles are and when
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: each of us can make the most positive impact. So
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  Speaker 4: that's a really positive step as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course the Police Commissioner, Mike Bush said not
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: so long ago that it's taken the process in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: The weekly pro.
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian anti Israeli protests have taken up twenty five thousand
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  Speaker 2: police shifts, twenty five thousand shifts dedicated to a protests
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  Speaker 2: rather than the prevention of crime. He said that these
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: officers would have been preventing crimes if they weren't guarding
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: these protests. Are you two concerned about these protests, not
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: just the fact that they've been weekly in the past,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: but the fact that they're intending to continue on with them.
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  Speaker 1: It's an extraordinary number.
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  Speaker 4: Are twenty five thousand shifts, and I mean it's self
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  Speaker 4: evident that when that level of resources being dedicated to
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  Speaker 4: protest activity, it's not being put to good work in
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  Speaker 4: other areas of police activity, such as community safety. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm very hopeful that now that we've got peace in
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: the Middle East, we're going to see peace on the
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  Speaker 4: streets of Melbourne. I think, you know, most Melbournians, after
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: two years of protests, are saying enough is enough. You know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: we need to have our city back, when our shopkeepers
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: need to be able to do a full week of
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: business without disruption, our famous theaters, our beautiful art galleries.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: You know, weekends are some of the busiest times in
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Melbourne because we've got so much activity here in the
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: city and we need to see an end to the
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: protests and the disruption. We've got peace in the Middle East,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: let's have peace on the streets of Melbourne again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the Victorian Labor government seemingly having a bit of
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: trouble with policing. Good to hear that the Melbourne City
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Council is stepping up to fill that void.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Nicholas Race. Thank you, Chris.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Anytime talks A bit of sense doesn't he Nicholas Reese
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: for a labor man. Maybe you should switch to state
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: politics and replace to Cindra Allen. Got to get to
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: a break, then we'll have Wednesday wrangle with Deneka and
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Justin talk about the Liberal Party that keeps talking.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: About the Liberal Party.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the wrangle now with Denekah the Georgio
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: skuy host here on the desk with me and Justin
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Smith broadcaster and Columbust joins us from Melbourne of course
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: and Justin. Look, everybody's got an opinion on the future
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: of the Liberal Party. Everybody in the Liberal Party's got
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: an opinion, So why shouldn't James Patterson throw He's a
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: lot in there, Hey.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Keep the debate going.
• 44:44
  Speaker 18: I absolutely Look, I think I'm probably the only person
• 44:46
  Speaker 18: who doesn't really have an opinion, because my feeling is,
• 44:49
  Speaker 18: why is it the job of someone like me or
• 44:52
  Speaker 18: even any of this here? Are Deneka or are you Chris?
• 44:56
  Speaker 18: Why is it our job to save the Liberal Party?
• 44:58
  Speaker 18: Maybe they actually can't be saved. Going to be plenty
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: of other people to vote for. Why you know, they
• 45:03
  Speaker 18: seem determined to self distract and if they can't learn
• 45:08
  Speaker 18: from that last election, like if they can't pick up
• 45:10
  Speaker 18: the lessons of that last election, then they can't be saved.
• 45:15
  Speaker 18: I mean, we're just in an extraordinary position at the
• 45:19
  Speaker 18: moment with the party.
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  Speaker 1: To be frank, it's incredible. Who's the audience for this stuff?
• 45:24
  Speaker 19: Well this is the problem, Chris. Who But that is
• 45:26
  Speaker 19: actually the question who is the audience? Because right now
• 45:28
  Speaker 19: the Liberal Party don't seem to have an audience because
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: they don't have a brand. And look, I don't agree
• 45:34
  Speaker 19: with what our Senator Patterson said in terms of the
• 45:36
  Speaker 19: Liberal Party shouldn't be going farage light.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I mean the problem.
• 45:39
  Speaker 19: Is is that you don't want to go labor light,
• 45:42
  Speaker 19: and that's where they're heading to right now.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Chris.
• 45:45
  Speaker 19: They've been talking for ages about a review into the election.
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: We still don't have that document, twelve months away from
• 45:51
  Speaker 19: an energy policy, so they don't have an energy policy.
• 45:54
  Speaker 19: So if you're asking me, you know what do they
• 45:56
  Speaker 19: stand for? Well, I don't think any of us know.
• 45:58
  Speaker 19: And I also think that they've lost two of their
• 46:00
  Speaker 19: best assets to the backbench, Shank and Tasty and just
• 46:03
  Speaker 19: into nampajimp price. And they're talking about what the quiet
• 46:06
  Speaker 19: Australians are talking about mass migration abouting net zero. So
• 46:11
  Speaker 19: what direction are they heading in right now?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think James Patterson was pretty right on the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: policy approached.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: But the point is, you know, don't tell me you're funny,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: make me laugh, stop talking about what you should be doing,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: and do it.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Here's what he said about culture wars and the idea
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: that the LIP should abandon the culture wars.
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: Often we are told we should stop fighting the culture wars.
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: But this wouldn't mean that the culture wars stop. It
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: would just mean that we preemptively surrender in them to
• 46:40
  Speaker 15: the left. If we followed this advice, we would be
• 46:44
  Speaker 15: left with a soulless, hollow party which only spoke to
• 46:48
  Speaker 15: the narrowest material aspirations of Australians. It would leave us ruddle,
• 46:53
  Speaker 15: us in navigating an uncertain world.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Interesting backdrop, it looks like he's in someone's backyard after
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a barbie. But he's right though, isn't he justin You
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: shouldn't abandoned the culture wars. We've got to talk about
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: that stuff the flag. Whether we're on to Ansday properly or.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: The rest of us.
• 47:10
  Speaker 18: I'm going to say a glaze over a little bit
• 47:12
  Speaker 18: when there is talk of the culture wars because I've
• 47:14
  Speaker 18: honestly got to say, I don't know.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they mean.
• 47:17
  Speaker 18: I think they should just honestly, if they can't as
• 47:20
  Speaker 18: skilled politicians, as an intelligent, as intelligent people too, if
• 47:24
  Speaker 18: they can't go out and ask the electorate what they
• 47:26
  Speaker 18: care about, what the problems are, what they think really need.
• 47:29
  Speaker 18: I mean, generally, stop stop talking to each other and
• 47:32
  Speaker 18: stop talking to only certain sections of the media. Somebody
• 47:35
  Speaker 18: talk to some people, find out what they care about,
• 47:38
  Speaker 18: and then they might get a clue.
• 47:40
  Speaker 19: Justin, I actually think that the culture wars do matter, right,
• 47:43
  Speaker 19: and they matter for a number of reasons. One, the
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: Liberal Party can't even define what a woman is right now,
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: You've got male sex offenders in jails across the country,
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: in female jails across the country.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Plays out for people like you.
• 47:54
  Speaker 18: But outside, the people outside don't care about those kinds
• 47:58
  Speaker 18: of things.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Come on, I think they'd to, justin, I think people
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: care about what if their daughter is playing sport against
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: their biological bloke.
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: Secondly, Australians want to be able to feel proud of
• 48:08
  Speaker 19: their country. They want to be able to wave your
• 48:11
  Speaker 19: Australian flag a couple of weeks ago at the marches
• 48:14
  Speaker 19: for Australia, they were all tarnished with the same brush
• 48:16
  Speaker 19: of being racist just because a couple of neo Nazis
• 48:18
  Speaker 19: rocked up. There's nothing racist about flying the Australia more than.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: A couple of culture wars.
• 48:23
  Speaker 19: A couple and they need to start talk, but have
• 48:25
  Speaker 19: a spine to start talking about it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And this is the point. I didn't say they don't exist.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: I said they're boring.
• 48:30
  Speaker 18: I said they're boring, and start going out there and
• 48:33
  Speaker 18: start talking to some people boring topic about and they
• 48:36
  Speaker 18: get an understanding of why they lost at the last elections.
• 48:39
  Speaker 18: You really think that any of that setting out for
• 48:42
  Speaker 18: them at all, not the last election.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Sadly, we're running out of time.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: This is a cultural war that I like to carry
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: on for a few minutes, but we're running hard up
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: against the clock.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I do want to mention briefly that Time magazine.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Cover we talked about yesterday with Donald Trump on the cover.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty magnificent cover. You would think.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Trump says that Time magazine a relatively good story about me,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: but the picture may be the worst of all time.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: They disappeared his hair they had something floating on top
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: of his head that looked like a floating crown and
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: they reckon it was really weird.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Boy, he's a little bit vain, isn't he.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It's just the sun shining through what there is left
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: of his hair.
• 49:17
  Speaker 18: We are all out of time, mate, I've never seen
• 49:22
  Speaker 18: him look better.
• 49:24
  Speaker 19: I would say, nobody likes it under the chin shot, okay, nobody.
• 49:27
  Speaker 19: It's not fluttering on anyone, right.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know what Sky News did to my hair,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: but they always get bad shots of me. Thanks for
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: joining us, Denika and Justin. We'll catch you next week.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: That's all the time we've got for you tonight.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night at five. Don't forget the final.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Part of Tony Abbott's History of Australia tonight at seven thirty.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: But he is Peter Gredlin