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POTB 537: Jordan Majewski on IU basketball's outlook, Big Ten coaching hires and more · Podcast on the Brink

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a new episode of Podcasts on the
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Speaker 1: Brink Thursday, August twenty eighth. Jordan Majeski, first time guest
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Speaker 1: on Podcasts of the Brink from Basket Under Review, is
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Speaker 1: here to talk IU basketball, variety of other Big Ten
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Speaker 1: helps us increase our reach over on YouTube. Jordan, I've
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Speaker 1: followed you for a long time on x formerly to Twitter.
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Speaker 1: Always enjoyed your takes on college basketball. You know, I'd
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Speaker 1: noticed a while back that your bio had said you're
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Speaker 1: based in Bloomington. Just kind of before we get into
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Speaker 1: this week's episode, I know you're doing stuff now for
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Speaker 1: Basket Under Review, but you've been kind of in the
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Speaker 1: college basketball social media sphere for a while. How did
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Speaker 1: you kind of get involved about involved in writing about
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Speaker 1: college basketball, talking about college basketball and kind of where
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Speaker 1: maybe some of the formative moments I guess growing up
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Speaker 1: in college hoops that kind of made you fall in
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Speaker 1: love with the sport.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, first self, thanks for having me long time reader
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Speaker 2: and listener of the site. But yeah, I just have
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Speaker 2: been a big college basketball fan from you know, the beginning.
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Speaker 2: I actually grew up in Terre Hate, so I would
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Speaker 2: go to every Indiana State game and so I kind
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Speaker 2: of have a love of the Missouri Valley and mid
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Speaker 2: majors in general, and that's kind of where it started.
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Speaker 2: Where I would I noticed her wasn't a lot of
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Speaker 2: cover of those teams and the teams that I grew
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Speaker 2: up watching, and uh so I thought i'd, you know,
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Speaker 2: share my thoughts on those as social media grew, and
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Speaker 2: you know, my my presence in college basketball media also
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Speaker 2: grew because of social media. So yeah, you know, without that,
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Speaker 2: I probably not be writing about it as often as
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Speaker 2: I do now. But yeah, just started with watching Indiana
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Speaker 2: State basketball the s and they were not they were
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Speaker 2: not good, and.
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Speaker 1: Yeah they've gotten I guess, you know, they were good
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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago now with I guess kind
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Speaker 1: of now in a bit of a transition period again.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I know you're involved with basket and
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Speaker 1: review writing some some stuff from them. How did how
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Speaker 1: did that opportunity come about? And kind of what are
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Speaker 1: you guys? Obviously want to give you a chance to
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Speaker 1: talk about about that, because that's the that's for for
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Speaker 1: those who don't know. It's the Truly Donovan h kind
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Speaker 1: of basketball vertical. They have podcasts, they have written content.
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Speaker 1: They also includes the discord over Truly Donovany she subscriber
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Speaker 1: were there, which I'm sure a lot of people listening
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Speaker 1: to this podcast already do. But what kind of your
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Speaker 1: involvement there? What are you writing about? And what are
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Speaker 1: some of the things that the people can can check
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Speaker 1: out over there?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that started, you know, more or less the
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Speaker 2: same way as how I got started in basketball writing
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Speaker 2: in general. Trilly was just a fan on social media,
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Speaker 2: reached out to me and asked if I'd be interested,
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Speaker 2: and then he gave me a list of all the
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Speaker 2: people involved, you know, and like Kevin Sweeney, three Man Weave, guys,
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Speaker 2: fellow i U, will Eme and Brennan.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I was like, well, those guys are some of my
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Speaker 2: you know, the people I read, so great opportunity to
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Speaker 2: work with them, And right now I've just been working
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Speaker 2: on first year head coaches in Division one, so guys
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Speaker 2: that were high major assistants, a couple of guys who
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Speaker 2: moved up from the Division two ranks, things like that,
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Speaker 2: what kind of schemes to expect from them, style play
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Speaker 2: and whatnot as they you know, embark on their first year.
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Speaker 1: So there an investigation with the basket under review writers
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Speaker 1: to try to figure out who Trill he is or
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Speaker 1: is it kind of an unwritten rule that that you
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Speaker 1: don't that you don't go.
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Speaker 2: There unwritten rule. Yeah. I at this point, you know,
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Speaker 2: he's there's no chance he's gonna tell us, even the
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Speaker 2: guys who work with him. So uh, you know, I
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Speaker 2: just plug in my articles, talk with the guys in
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Speaker 2: the private chat. But yeah, no one is ever like
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Speaker 2: you know, trying to put some clues together as to
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Speaker 2: who he can get actually be.
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Speaker 1: I always get a kick out of the Twitter threads
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Speaker 1: where someone goes down a rabbit hole and they have
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Speaker 1: like twenty different tweets like I figured it out, and
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Speaker 1: then he always will like reply, well if that's not it.
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Speaker 1: So it's at this point I think we're allays on
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Speaker 1: to the fact that he's going to remain a mystery
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Speaker 1: man as long as he wants to, which is which
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Speaker 1: is good because I think for for many reasons, you know,
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Speaker 1: one one good thing about his platform, one thing I
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Speaker 1: really enjoyed just about everything he's been able to do,
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Speaker 1: is you know, there's a comfort level in giving him information,
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Speaker 1: clearly with a lot of these coaches in these programs,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of that is because they, you know,
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Speaker 1: the anonymity of it. And I think he probably grants
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Speaker 1: the anonymity to to a lot of the people that
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Speaker 1: are giving him info and and it goes both ways.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's you know, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: have always wondering, you know, they asking is it this
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Speaker 1: person that I think, I think we're always better off
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Speaker 1: just accepting it for what it is and realizing that,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's built a great platform, and it's
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Speaker 1: good to see you know, the site out and thriving
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Speaker 1: and hopefully continues to grow, because I think that's kind
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Speaker 1: of one thing that I've noticed over you know, the
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Speaker 1: last you know, I've been doing this in two thousand
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Speaker 1: and seven, but I feel like the national coverage of
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Speaker 1: college basketball is kind of gone downhill maybe in the
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Speaker 1: last you know, five to ten years, and you know,
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Speaker 1: we've we've lost some really good I mean, John Gasoway
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Speaker 1: was somebody that I really loved to read for a
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Speaker 1: long time at ESPN, and you know, I would I
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Speaker 1: would message John and read his stuff and have him
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Speaker 1: on the show. And he's not writing, and there's just
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Speaker 1: been a lot of different things that have come and gone,
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Speaker 1: and to see something like this, I hope it's successful
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Speaker 1: and I hope people support it. So good luck with
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Speaker 1: everything there and we'll continue to follow along.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, we're trying to be a unique voice
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Speaker 2: because I think I agree with you the coverage in
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Speaker 2: general has become a bit monolithic and herded, you know,
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Speaker 2: like it's one one guy says something and it's kind of,
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Speaker 2: you know, the same thing that everybody else starts saying.
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Speaker 2: And like you said, Gasaway, I loved him. He was
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Speaker 2: a unique voice. So that's what we're trying to sure.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I remember sending you a message back in
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Speaker 1: March when Indiana landed on Darren Devrees as the Higher
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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't want to quote what you said.
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Speaker 1: It was a direct message, but you know you seemed
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Speaker 1: positive on the Higher. And now as we sit here,
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Speaker 1: what about a little bit over five months removed and
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Speaker 1: Iana gets ready for its first season. We've obviously had
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Speaker 1: the trip down to Puerto Rico, which we had Josh
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Speaker 1: Posen inside the hall down there covering those games. Hard
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Speaker 1: to really make a lot out of exhibition games in
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Speaker 1: early August, but it was an opportunity to get some
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Speaker 1: film on this team. See a couple of the guys.
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Speaker 1: But you know, one reason I want to have you
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Speaker 1: on is you're kind of going around. I know you've
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Speaker 1: done it more from at the lower levels in terms
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Speaker 1: of what you're doing in a basket un review, but
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Speaker 1: I know you look at all of these hires around
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Speaker 1: the country. What about the Darren de Reese higher in
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Speaker 1: Indiana is intriguing from your side of things? And what
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Speaker 1: can maybe make this outcome different than what we've seen
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Speaker 1: with the past couple of hires. And I won't go
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Speaker 1: back to Tom Green because I think in a lot
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Speaker 1: of ways he did have a relatively good amount of success,
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Speaker 1: you know, winning two Big ten titles and getting to
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Speaker 1: some Sweet sixteens. But you know, the two more recent
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Speaker 1: hires with Archie Miller and Mike Woodson, there was optimism
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Speaker 1: about those hires for different reasons at different points and
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Speaker 1: there was some success, but ultimately both guys get let
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Speaker 1: go over to four years. But is there anything you
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Speaker 1: look at with the reason say maybe this could be different.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think everyone that follows I, you know, IU
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Speaker 2: fans or they're just starved for some form of modern offense.
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Speaker 2: And I think that's the key here with Devrees is
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Speaker 2: that you know it's going to be spacing, a return
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Speaker 2: to shooting. I think everybody is, you know, finally ready
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Speaker 2: to see some threes fall at a high rate, like
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Speaker 2: everybody else in the country does. That's successful, and so yeah,
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Speaker 2: just a modernization of you know, the Miller and Woodsonara's
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Speaker 2: kind of just blended into a you know, kind of
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Speaker 2: slog fest of playing the wrong personnel and just not
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Speaker 2: exciting basketball. And it was hard to get excited about
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Speaker 2: IU every year with the same result. So you know,
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Speaker 2: it's going to be spacing pace, you know, the kind
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Speaker 2: of He's from the Greg McDermott school of you know,
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Speaker 2: like read and react offense and flow offense and all
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Speaker 2: of the stuff that you hear about in modern college basketball.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, Devrees hasn't had I don't think
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Speaker 2: he's ever had at Drake or West Virginia, a team
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Speaker 2: that was in the top fifty national top fifty percent
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Speaker 2: sorry nationally in rim rate. So it's going to be
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Speaker 2: just spread basketball and a lot of threes and hopefully
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Speaker 2: a lot of makes. And he's got the personnel to
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Speaker 2: obviously do that.
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Speaker 1: So looking at this year Ears roster in particular, I
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Speaker 1: think the biggest question that I'm getting in the preseason,
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Speaker 1: and I think the biggest question fans have is the
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Speaker 1: front court and just how that's going to play with
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Speaker 1: in a Big Ten that as we both know covered
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Speaker 1: watched the league as long as we have. There's certain
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Speaker 1: teams where they're gonna just try to pound the ball
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Speaker 1: and sign on certain nights and you're gonna have to
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Speaker 1: be able to stop that. Maybe maybe less so now
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Speaker 1: than it was, you know, five, ten, fifteen years ago,
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Speaker 1: but there are you look around the league. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Michigan obviously they're going to play a modern style, but
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Speaker 1: they have talent in the front court. They have bigs
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Speaker 1: that can score on the rim. Same thing with with Illinois, Purdue.
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Speaker 1: Just kind of go down the list, you know, the
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Speaker 1: best teams in the league are kind of well rounded
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Speaker 1: where they can all hit the shots from the Premi
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Speaker 1: and Russell score in the paint. When you look at
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Speaker 1: this Indiana roster, obviously, there's some things to be excited
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Speaker 1: about with Tayton Connorway, Lamar Wilkerson, Reed Bailey, really solid
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Speaker 1: transfer portal pickups. Tucker de Reese obviously is kind of
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Speaker 1: the headliner coming along with with with Darren from West Virginia.
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Speaker 1: But what's maybe your biggest question mark when you look
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Speaker 1: at this roster going into next season in terms of
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Speaker 1: whether they can be, you know, a top half Big
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Speaker 1: Ten team. I don't think anyone is looking at Indiana
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Speaker 1: and saying they're gonna be a team that contends for
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Speaker 1: the Big Ten title. But I do think fans want
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Speaker 1: to see, you know, at least a team that's competing
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Speaker 1: for an NCAA tournament birth and I think you got
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Speaker 1: to be somewhere in the top half probably to feel
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Speaker 1: pretty good about your chances to do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the front court and specifically the
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Speaker 2: physicality of it. You know, read Bailey is not a
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Speaker 2: banger in the paint, So it was really encouraging to
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Speaker 2: see Sam Alexis play the way he did in Puerto Rico.
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Speaker 2: I think to me that was the big takeaway from
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Speaker 2: the whole trip was that he you know, was physical
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't just you know, a blocks and boards
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Speaker 2: type guy. He actually had some offensive upside to him
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Speaker 2: as well. So I think Alexis is the key there
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Speaker 2: really because the other the other front court members are
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Speaker 2: just not guys who can you know, defend at the
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Speaker 2: rim at a high level, and Alexis can and he's
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Speaker 2: going to be Divrees is you know, big proponent of
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Speaker 2: drop coverage, just like almost all analytically savvy coaches are
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Speaker 2: now with their defensive schemes. So you know, Alexis showed
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Speaker 2: that he can be that drop five that you know,
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Speaker 2: can protect the rim at a high level. We'll see
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Speaker 2: how that holds up, you know, against non Puerto Rican competition,
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Speaker 2: but to me, that was by far the biggest takeaway.
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Speaker 2: You know, we saw the offense from Wilkerson which we
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Speaker 2: expected to see. Devrees didn't play, he didn't shoot it
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Speaker 2: at an efficient level. But you know, I expect his
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Speaker 2: offense to round into form as he gets back into
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Speaker 2: you know, playing shape in the routine of it after
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Speaker 2: his shoulder injury. But yeah, to me, alexis kind of
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Speaker 2: shoring up the physicality of the front court was what
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Speaker 2: I really wanted to see in there, and that's what
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Speaker 2: I saw.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, I'm going through exercise right now,
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Speaker 1: which well, actually I already don't want the exercise. But
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Speaker 1: we're releasing our top forty players in the Big Ten
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Speaker 1: with with Dylan Burkhard over at UM Hoops. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you're familiar with Dylan Dylan's work and everything he does
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Speaker 1: over at em Hoops, but we one of the things,
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Speaker 1: you know, in the transfer port air that's become harder
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Speaker 1: for us to do is all of these up transfers
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Speaker 1: projecting what they're going to do once they get to
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Speaker 1: big you know, the Big tenant. I feel like sometimes
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Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice. I want to ask you about
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Speaker 1: some of the guys that are coming up from a
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Speaker 1: lower level of college hoops to play at Indiana this year.
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Speaker 1: Tayton Conway Sun Belt Player of the Year, hard to project,
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Speaker 1: you know how that translates the Big Ten. We saw
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Speaker 1: him in the tournament last year play against Kentucky, so
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Speaker 1: he's been on a stage against some of these, you know,
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Speaker 1: top teams. He obviously led his team to the NCAA tournament.
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Speaker 1: We saw Lamar Wilkerson in an assembly hall last year. Played
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Speaker 1: relatively well, averaged over twenty points a game, shot forty
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Speaker 1: four percent on threes over I think one hundred makes,
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Speaker 1: which is which is really good. But how does that
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Speaker 1: translate up the level? Not specific to these guys, but
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Speaker 1: I'm curious just for your thoughts on what maybe to
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Speaker 1: look for when you're trying to project these guys moving
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Speaker 1: up a level, what translate, what translates, and maybe what
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Speaker 1: doesn't translate in your eyes.
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Speaker 2: So the I think biggest red flag the analytics guys
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Speaker 2: will say when they're looking at up transfers are guards
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Speaker 2: who are rim reliant and draw a lot of contact
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Speaker 2: that does not transfer up to the you know, Power
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Speaker 2: five schools. So that's kind of a red flag with
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Speaker 2: Connorway because he's a rim reliant guard. You know, he's
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Speaker 2: got a lot of athleticism though, but just the finishing
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Speaker 2: at the rim and drawing fouls typically does not translate
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Speaker 2: at this level. So, you know, Connorway is probably my
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Speaker 2: biggest concern there. I don't have concerns with Wilkerson. That
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Speaker 2: skill set has proven to translate well moving up, but
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Speaker 2: you know where I think Devrees recognizes the kind of
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Speaker 2: need to maybe have Connorway off the ball, so you
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Speaker 2: have the Connorway and Right combo. I think they're going
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Speaker 2: to help each other and alleviate some of those concerns
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Speaker 2: with Connorway's skill set transferring up read. Bailey's a guy
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Speaker 2: who I think it's going to depend a lot on
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Speaker 2: the you know, combination he's with on the floor, because
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Speaker 2: he's going to be like that kind of hub, big
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Speaker 2: passer who can they can spread the floor around him
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Speaker 2: and he can you know, read the defense and you know,
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Speaker 2: pop it out to DeVries or whoever spreading the floor.
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Speaker 2: So he's but it's gonna you know, he can't be
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Speaker 2: like we just discussed the primary five in the league.
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Speaker 2: He'll get you know, dominated physically. So it's going to
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Speaker 2: be how he plays with Alexis and how you know,
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Speaker 2: the backcourt and Right and Connorway play with each other.
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Speaker 2: I think to alleviate some of those up transfer concerns I.
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Speaker 1: Noticed down in Puerto Rico, which again I'm trying not
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Speaker 1: to read too much into exhibition game stats, but Bailey
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Speaker 1: wasn't really taking any three pointers down there. Did that
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Speaker 1: surprise you at all? Is that something we can expect
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Speaker 1: to be different when the games actually start.
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Speaker 2: I think that he's his spacing. It's a good thing,
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Speaker 2: you know, in the long run that he doesn't need
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Speaker 2: to be like a stretch five type player in this
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Speaker 2: offense because we have enough spacing without that element. So,
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Speaker 2: sorry to say we bad habit I have is that.
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Speaker 1: You're you're an IU grad. You can say, well, I
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Speaker 1: guess it's.
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Speaker 2: Tough to get out of that habit. But yeah, I'm
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Speaker 2: an independent you know journalists here, so I have to be.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it did surprise me that he wasn't used
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Speaker 2: almost at all in that regard, even like as a
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Speaker 2: you know, pick and pop guy. He wasn't out there
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Speaker 2: on the perim So I that did surprise me. But
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Speaker 2: I think it's a product of where this team is
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Speaker 2: at in terms of their spacing, and it's just not
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Speaker 2: an element divvere seas is necessary right now.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The one thing, going back to Conorway for a second,
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Speaker 1: the one thing we had a chance to talk to
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Speaker 1: some of the players after they had an open practice
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Speaker 1: in late July. We got a chance to talk to
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Speaker 1: some of the guys afterwards and from talking to Conorway,
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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that he said that
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Speaker 1: stood out was just you mentioned, you know, he did
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Speaker 1: get to the rim a lot. I think in this
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Speaker 1: offense maybe his role might be a little bit different
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Speaker 1: of just trying to get the ball in the paint
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Speaker 1: for kickouts instead of trying to go finish. I think
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Speaker 1: watching his some of his film from last season, one
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Speaker 1: of the things that that did stand out was how
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Speaker 1: well he was able to get into the lane. May
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Speaker 1: the plays that he was finishing last year won't be
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Speaker 1: able to finish, but he might not have to if
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Speaker 1: he's got Devrees and Wilkerson, Nick Dorn, potentially Josiah Miles
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Speaker 1: out on the perimeter. If he can kick the ball
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Speaker 1: out for threes, I think he's a pretty good creative
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Speaker 1: playmaker from that perspective, So maybe that that can be
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Speaker 1: maybe a you know, a counter to the fact that
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Speaker 1: he may You're right, I think he may have trouble
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Speaker 1: finishing some of the plays because when you're playing Sun
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Speaker 1: Belt competition, sometimes you're going against what a six six
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Speaker 1: six eight guy and the paint as opposed to going
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Speaker 1: against a Dai Mara or whoever is you know, Oscar
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Speaker 1: Cloff Purdue got on the list. There's gonna be guys
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Speaker 1: that are six ten and up that he's going to
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Speaker 1: be trying to challenge in the paint the big ten.
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Speaker 1: Maybe not as easy as what he was able to
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Speaker 1: do with a sun belt, right.
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Speaker 2: And you know Troy last year, it's amazing he racked
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Speaker 2: up like I think at top twenty assister eate nationally
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Speaker 2: when they were one of the worst three point shooting
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Speaker 2: teams in the country. So you know, that's it's like
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Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, it's the pieces around him that it's
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Speaker 2: going to alleviate for me those concerns that his rim
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Speaker 2: finishing and ability to draw contact won't translate at the
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Speaker 2: higher level because you know he's going to be like
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Speaker 2: you mentioned, it's about collapsing the defense within and being
18:18
Speaker 2: able to get you know, draw pain off the dribble
18:20
Speaker 2: and then you know, kick out to the what should
18:24
Speaker 2: be one of the better shooting teams in the league.
18:27
Speaker 1: Because the last guy I wanted to ask you about
18:29
Speaker 1: was just Tucker de Freeze because I kind of feel
18:31
Speaker 1: like in some ways he's I don't want to say
18:33
Speaker 1: the forgotten man, but he was. It was just assumed
18:36
Speaker 1: that he was coming to Indiana when when Darren took
18:38
Speaker 1: the job, So there wasn't really any buzz about him committing,
18:42
Speaker 1: and there wasn't any a ton of discussion. It was
18:44
Speaker 1: just like, well, we're getting there, and he has getting
18:46
Speaker 1: this guy that was the two time Missouri Valued Player
18:48
Speaker 1: of the Year, and if it was, if he wasn't
18:52
Speaker 1: the coach's son, I think a much bigger deal would
18:54
Speaker 1: have been made out of how just how important of
18:57
Speaker 1: a piece he is. But to have him come in,
18:59
Speaker 1: you know, I remember watching a couple of the games
19:01
Speaker 1: last season down in Battle for Atlantis because obviously Indiana
19:04
Speaker 1: was down there. I think it was against Arizona. He
19:07
Speaker 1: had some ridiculous three point I mean, just he's he
19:10
Speaker 1: can pull up from anywhere. I mean, do you do
19:12
Speaker 1: you kind of feel like the same way, he's been
19:14
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit overlooked on this team and he's
19:16
Speaker 1: the guy to me that flashes all big ten potential.
19:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you're exactly right. And my you know, guys,
19:24
Speaker 2: I went to college with our our group chat we
19:27
Speaker 2: talk about how I was just talking about how it
19:28
Speaker 2: seems like he's been kind of taken for granted as
19:31
Speaker 2: his role in this team because he can legitimately do
19:34
Speaker 2: it all. So you're not like, oh, he's going to
19:36
Speaker 2: be our guy that you know, runs off ball screens
19:41
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know, he can he can take the
19:43
Speaker 2: ball screen, you can use him off the ball. He's
19:45
Speaker 2: a great cutter, you know. He just he's just the
19:49
Speaker 2: quintessential coach's son basically. So he's just so high IQ
19:53
Speaker 2: like can do anything you ask him to do. You
19:55
Speaker 2: can put him at you know, anywhere one through four
19:58
Speaker 2: basically and be totally fine. So yeah, it's like his
20:03
Speaker 2: skill set is so diverse that you kind of take
20:06
Speaker 2: for granted that he doesn't have a defined role on
20:08
Speaker 2: this team when because his role is to like play
20:11
Speaker 2: all of those play all of those roles. So yeah,
20:15
Speaker 2: I know exactly what you're saying that it's kind of
20:19
Speaker 2: you know, he's possibly, you know, maybe without questioning, even
20:24
Speaker 2: the best player on the team, And when anyone talks
20:27
Speaker 2: about IU, it's kind of like, oh, yeah, and Tucker
20:29
Speaker 2: Devriez is there, of course, you.
20:30
Speaker 1: Know, right, but yeah, he's a really good passer too.
20:34
Speaker 2: Right Exactly. You can put him, yeah, in the middle
20:36
Speaker 2: of the floor, you can space him out as a shooter.
20:39
Speaker 2: He can take the ball screen, he can create his
20:41
Speaker 2: own shot like it's he's legitimately, like you know, unbelievably skilled.
20:46
Speaker 2: And same on defense too. He's not like super athletic,
20:51
Speaker 2: but he just knows where to be defensively and you know,
20:54
Speaker 2: can guard multiple positions. So I think that's yeah, he's
20:59
Speaker 2: just an incredible basketball player all around on both ends.
21:03
Speaker 1: So I want to you know, we only have you
21:06
Speaker 1: for thirty thirty five minutes here, so I do want
21:08
Speaker 1: to talk about some of the other Big Ten programs
21:10
Speaker 1: that made coaching highers in the offseason. You know, the
21:12
Speaker 1: one that's maybe talked about the most is IOWA and
21:16
Speaker 1: Ben McCollum. And there was I think a time there
21:19
Speaker 1: when Indiana fans were debating did they want McCollum, did
21:22
Speaker 1: they want Devrees? And obviously we saw it all played out,
21:26
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of fanfare, maybe a lot of it.
21:30
Speaker 1: Seems like the national guys really like Ben McCollum in
21:33
Speaker 1: terms of what he was able to do last season
21:34
Speaker 1: at Drake and have a ton of respect what he
21:36
Speaker 1: did at the D two level, and most of the
21:39
Speaker 1: preseason predictions that I've seen so far have IOWA picked
21:42
Speaker 1: ahead of Indiana in the Big Ten. I don't know
21:43
Speaker 1: it's going to play out that way. I would say
21:46
Speaker 1: on paper, Indiana's probably got a more talented roster. I
21:49
Speaker 1: don't know if you would agree with that, But obviously
21:51
Speaker 1: Ben at Sturtz is a really key piece there, and
21:54
Speaker 1: then there's some obviously some guys moving up from lower
21:58
Speaker 1: levels there too. But what do you like about the
22:02
Speaker 1: McCollum higher for Iowa? Is there anything that gives you
22:05
Speaker 1: pause in terms of how he may translate to the
22:07
Speaker 1: Big Ten?
22:09
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think you know, like you mentioned, it was
22:14
Speaker 2: kind of it seemed like McCollum was trending towards being
22:18
Speaker 2: here in Bloomington. But I think that it will be
22:22
Speaker 2: interesting to see how that kind of like total burn
22:27
Speaker 2: offense and clock manipulation that he runs works out at
22:31
Speaker 2: you know where margin evert like is slimmering games like this,
22:38
Speaker 2: So if you keep lowering the possessions, you could be
22:40
Speaker 2: shooting yourself in the foot. But you know, it's a
22:42
Speaker 2: total one to eighty from Fran McCaffrey style of basketball. Obviously,
22:47
Speaker 2: you know, Bennett Starts is just a master manipulator with
22:49
Speaker 2: the ball screen and just completely controls the game, and
22:54
Speaker 2: you know, he added the kind of versatile forward from
22:58
Speaker 2: Robert Morris Pogeiras who they didn't have last year at Drake.
23:03
Speaker 2: They didn't have that type of player who can be
23:05
Speaker 2: like a short role creator in the pick and roll
23:07
Speaker 2: game with sturts, and I think that's really gonna kind
23:10
Speaker 2: of that was a missing piece for Drake last year
23:14
Speaker 2: and they did unbelievably well without that kind of player.
23:16
Speaker 2: But he's exactly the kind of player that they need
23:19
Speaker 2: in that pick and roll game with starts. So I
23:21
Speaker 2: think IOWA was going to be offensively fine. Yet like
23:26
Speaker 2: they're going to be one of the better teams just
23:29
Speaker 2: in terms of on an efficiency level because of how
23:31
Speaker 2: they're going to control the game and starts. I think
23:34
Speaker 2: his style of play we've seen it statistically when Drake
23:38
Speaker 2: played up. He didn't you know, miss a beat last year.
23:42
Speaker 2: So I think IOWA was legitimately. I don't I agree
23:45
Speaker 2: with you talent wise, like you know, top to bottom
23:48
Speaker 2: on the roster, they're not as good as IU, but
23:51
Speaker 2: I think they can manipulate the game in a way
23:53
Speaker 2: where you know they might have a top half finish
23:55
Speaker 2: in the Collins first year.
23:58
Speaker 1: Is that you talk about mine pipulation of the game.
24:01
Speaker 1: I mean, is it reminiscent at all of some how
24:05
Speaker 1: Wisconsin used to play. I'm just trying to get Big
24:08
Speaker 1: ten fans prepared for what they're going to be watching.
24:10
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, it's it's that there's no like swing offense
24:13
Speaker 2: elements or anything, you know, like had at all. It's
24:16
Speaker 2: totally just how starts. Like they literally burn clock at
24:20
Speaker 2: the beginning of possessions just to get starts in the
24:22
Speaker 2: ball screen. They'll run ball screen after ball screen after
24:25
Speaker 2: ball screen until they find the one they like, and
24:27
Speaker 2: starts is just so good at you know, reading when
24:30
Speaker 2: the time is to you know, attack or kick out
24:33
Speaker 2: or whatever. And yeah, it's it's a lot like that style.
24:38
Speaker 1: Which is there any concern that when when you when
24:40
Speaker 1: you do that it can work? I guess at the
24:46
Speaker 1: D two level at Drake, is there any concern against
24:50
Speaker 1: like the best of the best in the Big ten
24:53
Speaker 1: that that there's a ceiling on on what that can
24:55
Speaker 1: actually do if you continue to kind of go back
24:57
Speaker 1: to the same thing over and over. I mean sometimes
25:00
Speaker 1: at some point talent becomes key to winning at the
25:04
Speaker 1: highest level.
25:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know we kind of it worked
25:11
Speaker 2: in small doses when Drake played Power Conference teams because
25:15
Speaker 2: they could, it was like kind of a shock to
25:18
Speaker 2: the system for you know, and it turns out some
25:21
Speaker 2: of those wins in the non conference against Miami and
25:24
Speaker 2: Kansas State that looked impressive at the time turned out
25:27
Speaker 2: to not be you know, really impressive. But obviously they
25:29
Speaker 2: went to the second round of the tournament. You know,
25:32
Speaker 2: it was they're legitimately a good team. But you're right,
25:35
Speaker 2: night in and night out, it's not going to be
25:37
Speaker 2: as effective I think as a you know, one time
25:40
Speaker 2: shock to the system against a Power five team where
25:42
Speaker 2: you're like, oh my god, this team is you know,
25:44
Speaker 2: literally taking the shot clock down to five seconds before
25:47
Speaker 2: they initiate offense here. So yeah, you're right. When that's
25:51
Speaker 2: the plan every single night in the Big ten, we'll
25:55
Speaker 2: see how effective that can be. Yeah.
25:57
Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm not antim call. I think he's
26:00
Speaker 1: a great coach. I think it's going to be I
26:01
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a great addition to you know,
26:04
Speaker 1: I've had a running joke for a long time about
26:06
Speaker 1: just Iowa, are you ever going to play defense? I
26:08
Speaker 1: think they've actually got a serious coach. He's going to
26:10
Speaker 1: have them prepared on both ends. I think it's a
26:12
Speaker 1: great addition for the league and I'm excited to see
26:14
Speaker 1: how it works out. Moving on to Maryland, Kevin Willard,
26:19
Speaker 1: anyone that follows me on social media knows I wasn't
26:21
Speaker 1: the biggest Kevin Willard supporter. I think they actually made
26:25
Speaker 1: an upgrade at the head coaching position bringing in Buzz Williams.
26:27
Speaker 1: Although Buzz we can debate what his ceiling ultimately is.
26:31
Speaker 1: He kind of gets to a program and he can
26:34
Speaker 1: tinker things around a little bit and he can win.
26:36
Speaker 1: He can get to the tournament. Is that kind of
26:38
Speaker 1: how Maybe not a high ceiling higher, but I think
26:41
Speaker 1: the floor is relatively high with Buddes Williams, and particularly
26:44
Speaker 1: at Maryland, with the resources where he's going to be
26:46
Speaker 1: able to recruit, I think he's got a chance to
26:48
Speaker 1: have a tournament team there every year.
26:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally agree. You know, he brought his kind of
26:55
Speaker 2: brutish front court with him that you know, they dominate
26:58
Speaker 2: the offensive glass, super physical and the paint. They switch
27:02
Speaker 2: everything defensively, go under a ton of ball screens, basically
27:07
Speaker 2: force you to beat them over the top, and then
27:09
Speaker 2: they you know, grab the rebound and go. He did
27:13
Speaker 2: recruit a couple like more skilled players like Elijah Saunders,
27:16
Speaker 2: who's kind of something they've been he was missing at
27:19
Speaker 2: Texas A and M. Like a kind of more skilled
27:21
Speaker 2: shooting type of forward. And of course they have a
27:24
Speaker 2: friend of the program running the show, Miles Rice now,
27:28
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, with the way they play
27:30
Speaker 2: defense and the way they teach physicality, he gives his
27:33
Speaker 2: guards a lot of offensive freedom, and I think Rice
27:35
Speaker 2: is going to probably have, you know, the kind of
27:38
Speaker 2: post type breakout year that you hear a lot about
27:42
Speaker 2: where he's just given more of a kind of you know,
27:46
Speaker 2: I don't want to say green light, but less like
27:49
Speaker 2: restrictions offensively, Like if you watch the guards at Texas
27:53
Speaker 2: A and M, they will take some of the worst
27:55
Speaker 2: shots you've ever seen because the ideas like let's get
27:58
Speaker 2: a shot up and then we just crash all five
28:00
Speaker 2: on the offensive glass. And so Rice is going to
28:03
Speaker 2: have a lot of opportunities to do just that. So
28:05
Speaker 2: you know, he might not have an efficiency from an
28:08
Speaker 2: efficiency standpoint, a great year, but he's going to put
28:10
Speaker 2: up some big numbers, you know, end of playing that role.
28:14
Speaker 1: So you're buying a bounce back season from Miles Rice
28:17
Speaker 1: after Dylan and I ranked him in the top five
28:19
Speaker 1: players last year and the big ten the preseason, he
28:21
Speaker 1: burned us. Now we have him outside of the top forty,
28:23
Speaker 1: and I think that he might burn us again.
28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can't. You can't catch up with him.
28:28
Speaker 2: He's I think he could have a you know, pretty
28:30
Speaker 2: decent year.
28:33
Speaker 1: Last guy I want to talk about, Nico medved comes
28:35
Speaker 1: over from Colorado State to Minnesota's alma mater. I would
28:40
Speaker 1: say of the four new hires, probably has the biggest
28:44
Speaker 1: hill to climb there for a variety of reasons, one
28:46
Speaker 1: being the nil resources and every you know, just kind
28:51
Speaker 1: of the program prestige in history at Minnesota is lesser
28:56
Speaker 1: than the other three programs. It's not an easy job.
28:59
Speaker 1: I mean, they ran Richard Patino out of there, and
29:01
Speaker 1: he actually did a relatively solid job, and kind of
29:05
Speaker 1: he's ended up maybe in a better spot than than
29:08
Speaker 1: when he was there at Minnesota ended up ultimately Xavier,
29:11
Speaker 1: but it's a tough job. I think he's relying this
29:15
Speaker 1: year on a ton of up transfers, so it's really
29:18
Speaker 1: hard to project. When we looked at I think the
29:20
Speaker 1: top forty for the big tip in the preseason. I'm
29:24
Speaker 1: not sure I even seriously considered a player from Minnesota
29:27
Speaker 1: to put on there. So they're gonna have to be
29:29
Speaker 1: a sum of their parts rather than having one, one
29:32
Speaker 1: or two studs. What do you like about that fit there?
29:34
Speaker 1: And is there any hope for for Minnesota to kind
29:39
Speaker 1: of outperform expectations this year? Is that going to be
29:41
Speaker 1: something where he's going to need to build it over
29:43
Speaker 1: the next couple of years.
29:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Minnesota is kind of a deeper sleeper
29:46
Speaker 2: in the league. Like I'm not saying they're going to
29:48
Speaker 2: be in the same there's kind of that big, meaty
29:51
Speaker 2: tier of the you know, Wisconsin, Ohio, State, i U, Iowa,
29:56
Speaker 2: Maryland like that, they're all kind of generally about the
29:59
Speaker 2: same minutes. Soda is below that tier, but I think
30:01
Speaker 2: they can knock on the door of that tier in
30:03
Speaker 2: the first year just because he medved is kind of
30:07
Speaker 2: it'll remind me a lot of like Matt Pater's offense
30:11
Speaker 2: before they you know, had you know, seven foot five
30:15
Speaker 2: guys every single season. It's a lot of off ball movement,
30:18
Speaker 2: a lot of cutters, a lot of off ball screening,
30:21
Speaker 2: and he's got a point guard from Western Michigan that
30:24
Speaker 2: I really like, Chauncey Willis. He put up some amazing
30:29
Speaker 2: efficiency numbers for a really bad Western Michigan team, and
30:32
Speaker 2: I think he's kind of the typical point guard that
30:35
Speaker 2: he had at Colorado State that can really run his offense.
30:40
Speaker 2: He's relying on a kind of Taton Connorway player I
30:44
Speaker 2: think to be his leading scorer with Langston Reynolds, who
30:47
Speaker 2: is a big rim finisher at Northern Colorado as an
30:49
Speaker 2: off guard. So that's kind of the you know, red
30:52
Speaker 2: flag kind of player that we talked about earlier. So
30:54
Speaker 2: we'll see how that translates. But a lot of the
30:58
Speaker 2: rim looks Colorado State rated under him wasn't born from
31:02
Speaker 2: like dribble penetration. It's from off ball movement, spacing and
31:05
Speaker 2: just you know, attacking that gap that you create. And
31:10
Speaker 2: I think a big key to them kind of reaching
31:13
Speaker 2: some sort of ceiling will be a cage. Tyson, the
31:16
Speaker 2: Velmont transfer, went to North Carolina last year and bombed.
31:20
Speaker 2: I think he was poorly coached and poorly utilized there,
31:24
Speaker 2: and so with a he's a perfect fit in the
31:26
Speaker 2: style of offense. They run a similar offense to what
31:29
Speaker 2: Belmont uses. So he's going to be I think kind
31:33
Speaker 2: of in that post hype breakout role as well, where
31:38
Speaker 2: he can really thrive with a lot of open shots
31:40
Speaker 2: that this offense creates. I think Minnesota's got some definite upside,
31:44
Speaker 2: big coaching upgrade, you know. I don't think they're going
31:47
Speaker 2: to compete necessarily for a at large spot or you know,
31:51
Speaker 2: be even in the you know, bottom tier of the middle.
31:57
Speaker 2: I think they're solidly in the bottom tier, but I
31:59
Speaker 2: think they have potential to you know, kind of be
32:02
Speaker 2: around that area and surprise with some wins.
32:05
Speaker 1: So quickly before before we wrap up here, the two
32:08
Speaker 1: teams that you know, I keep coming back to at
32:10
Speaker 1: the bottom. I'm curious if you have agreement on this
32:14
Speaker 1: or is there any debate Penn State and Rutgers. They
32:17
Speaker 1: kind of looks like the bottom to.
32:18
Speaker 2: You easily the bottom tier, like they're a tier of
32:21
Speaker 2: their own at the bottom. You know, I think Michael's
32:25
Speaker 2: going to be a little bit relieved to be rid
32:28
Speaker 2: of you know, the Harper Bailey kind of it's just
32:32
Speaker 2: it just was a poor fit from the beginning, you know,
32:35
Speaker 2: it just it's not his style. But so they're going
32:38
Speaker 2: to get more into that kind of you know, ground
32:40
Speaker 2: and pound way that they play with him, but they
32:43
Speaker 2: just don't have anywhere near the talent level that you know,
32:47
Speaker 2: if you're relying on another friend of the program, hearn
32:51
Speaker 2: Zerno to be your leading scorer, which I think Rutgers
32:55
Speaker 2: might be. I think you're in pretty big trouble. And
32:57
Speaker 2: then Penn State they got you know, like a I
33:00
Speaker 2: think intriguing point guard, freshman point guard Kaden Mingo coming in,
33:04
Speaker 2: and some Euros, Murdics and Urich in the front court.
33:08
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think they're pretty easily the
33:10
Speaker 2: worst team in the Big Ten this year.
33:13
Speaker 1: And then the top is it is it a Michigan
33:16
Speaker 1: Purdue battle or is there a chance for Illinois somebody.
33:19
Speaker 2: Similar to the bottom, I see two teams in the top,
33:21
Speaker 2: Purdue in Michigan, like a clear, clearly defined tier one,
33:25
Speaker 2: and then right below them, I'd probably put Illinois and
33:27
Speaker 2: U c l A together U c l A a little higher,
33:30
Speaker 2: and then like I mentioned earlier, this kind of third
33:33
Speaker 2: tier of Wisconsin, Michigan State, Oregon, Ohio State, Maryland, I
33:39
Speaker 2: U Iowa even maybe like Washington, USC could be in
33:43
Speaker 2: that tier as well. I think they're kind of just
33:46
Speaker 2: one massive lump of teams right now that it's hard
33:49
Speaker 2: to differentiate from a power ranking perspective before the season starts.
33:54
Speaker 1: So basically, what you're saying is chaos as usual in
33:56
Speaker 1: the middle of the Big Ten. Everyone's gonna beat up
33:58
Speaker 1: on each other and we'll see we'll see you in
34:00
Speaker 1: Chicago for the Big Ten Tournament when it's all the
34:03
Speaker 1: sides in terms of the seating.
34:04
Speaker 2: And you could have another team like Nebraska who doesn't
34:07
Speaker 2: even or Northwestern, you know, who doesn't even qualify for
34:10
Speaker 2: the Big Ten Tournament, but who you know has like
34:12
Speaker 2: a fringe at large case because I you know, I
34:16
Speaker 2: see them as kind of their own tier right behind
34:18
Speaker 2: that where they're capable of, like they have such stylistic
34:23
Speaker 2: differences as opposed to the rest of the Big Ten,
34:25
Speaker 2: Northwestern and Nebraska, where you know, it's always a headache
34:29
Speaker 2: playing and you know, dealing with those post traps and
34:33
Speaker 2: things like that. So it's, yeah, a convoluted mess in
34:39
Speaker 2: the middle.
34:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's one thing. You know. I got some
34:42
Speaker 1: friends that are acc fans and fans of other leagues too.
34:46
Speaker 1: It's like I trying to tell people and I like
34:49
Speaker 1: to throw it back, Well, the Big Ten hasn't won
34:50
Speaker 1: a championships in two thousand. I'm like, there's there's not
34:53
Speaker 1: very many off nights in the Big Ten once you
34:54
Speaker 1: get into conference play. I mean there might be this
34:56
Speaker 1: season with Penn State and Rutgers depending. I mean, although
34:59
Speaker 1: I I will say if you catch Rutgers on the
35:01
Speaker 1: wrong night at the RACK, they can be tough. I
35:03
Speaker 1: don't care who's playing. But a lot of these teams,
35:06
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at the ACC last year, and
35:09
Speaker 1: this is kind of one thing I've cautioned people. They've
35:11
Speaker 1: they've said, well, Pat Kelsey turned things around at Louisville
35:14
Speaker 1: last year and year one can't do the same thing
35:17
Speaker 1: at Ie. I'm like, look at the teams that were
35:19
Speaker 1: playing for a lot of those games, they had those
35:20
Speaker 1: long winning streaks. They were just not even competitive college
35:23
Speaker 1: basketball teams. And the Big Ten you're not. You're not
35:25
Speaker 1: going to have those games where it's just a gimmea
35:28
Speaker 1: on a given night. I mean, you may have, like
35:29
Speaker 1: I said, a couple at home against the bottom tier league,
35:32
Speaker 1: but if you don't come to play, anyone can beat
35:36
Speaker 1: anyone in the Big Ten. I truly believe that and
35:38
Speaker 1: it's not like that other than maybe the SEC the
35:42
Speaker 1: Big Twelve on some of its you know, best years,
35:44
Speaker 1: but really the only leagues like that in the country
35:47
Speaker 1: that I can see.
35:48
Speaker 2: Right, and for an eighteen team league as well, you know,
35:51
Speaker 2: like the Big Ten has benefited from that, the ACC
35:56
Speaker 2: has not. You know, like you mentioned the bottom half
35:58
Speaker 2: of that ACC megafield is just they were awful last year.
36:03
Speaker 2: You know, those were easy, like almost guaranteed wins in
36:07
Speaker 2: that league and they're just yeah, as you're saying, there
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Speaker 2: just isn't such a thing with this eighteen team league.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jordan, thanks for taking the time, really enjoying the conversation.
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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you on again once we actually
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Speaker 1: get some data in from the season, some results, and
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Speaker 1: so jerre in Bloomington there. I know you have a
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Speaker 1: close eye on the Hoosiers. Love to have you on
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Speaker 1: again at some point when the season gets closer or
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Speaker 1: when the season starts to talk some more college hoops
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Speaker 1: and I you, I really appreciate you taking the time.
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