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  Speaker 1: David Koresh and these kids and all these families on
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  Speaker 1: video basically like begging the ATF not to do what
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  Speaker 1: they ultimately end up doing.
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  Speaker 2: Under the ducks. Yeah, under the Dogs, very fam break
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  Speaker 2: your looks funny? You could they rise the shots. They
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  Speaker 2: connect the dogs, under the docks, under the ducks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: under the docks, Under the Dogs.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to under the Docks. When we watch the
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  Speaker 3: film and let you know if it's sinks or swims,
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  Speaker 3: we're back to Waco, month Burper.
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  Speaker 4: It's getting hot in here.
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  Speaker 1: So this one's gonna be Waco Rules of Engagement from
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 4: So this one comes three.
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  Speaker 1: Or four years after the last two Big Lie and
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  Speaker 1: this one was directed by William Gazeki and written by
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  Speaker 1: William Gazeki, Dan Gifford and Michael McNulty. This one comes
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  Speaker 1: in in a whopping two hours and forty five minutes,
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  Speaker 1: so it is longer than the previous two combined. But
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  Speaker 1: I do want to say that it is incredibly comprehensive.
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  Speaker 1: So this is probably the one that you're gonna want
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  Speaker 1: to go to if you've never found any other Waco
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  Speaker 1: documentary and you want to get like a robust idea
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  Speaker 1: of it. This is kind of what it poses itself
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  Speaker 1: to be, and it kind of has to be with
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  Speaker 1: that freaking run time.
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  Speaker 3: And it feels like they picked up where Linda left
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  Speaker 3: off right and they're now following the actual hearings, which
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  Speaker 3: now you're getting more insight because obviously in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 3: four all of this other stuff wasn't happening, so Linda
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  Speaker 3: didn't have all this extra stuff to go off of.
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  Speaker 3: So it's nice to like kind of like add on
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  Speaker 3: to what Linda had said, but now expand more because
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  Speaker 3: you're now in front of the Senate in Congress.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a kind of open ended question for you.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder did you feel a bias in this documentary,
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  Speaker 1: like the Linda Thompson one was maybe bias is the
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  Speaker 1: wrong word, sympathetic towards Koresh. Did you feel like there
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  Speaker 1: was any sympathy or bias in this documentary.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I felt like it was kind of like down the
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  Speaker 3: middle as much as you can be like, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: there's some bias in there that I can't detect, but
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  Speaker 3: I did not detect any.
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  Speaker 1: All, right, plot in the course this one, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: down into basically like four main chunks, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of meat on this. Again, it is almost three
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  Speaker 1: hours long. The four main claims was that the congressional
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  Speaker 1: hearings were just filled with grand standing and misinformation for
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  Speaker 1: the public. Another one was that the front door went
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  Speaker 1: missing and a lot of other evidence went missing, again
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  Speaker 1: to shield the truth of like where bolts were coming from,
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  Speaker 1: where they're coming from a helicopter, where they're coming from
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  Speaker 1: the outside as opposed to coming from the inside of
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  Speaker 1: the compound, That there was heavy psychological warfare that was
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  Speaker 1: taking place, one of my favorite topics in this whole
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  Speaker 1: sort of like horrific event and tragedy. And then finally
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  Speaker 1: that the tank did set fire. Unequivocally it was the
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  Speaker 1: tank that set the fire that burnt everything down and
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  Speaker 1: killed everyone inside the building.
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  Speaker 4: And it also.
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  Speaker 1: Starts out with a pretty comprehensive background of the branch
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  Speaker 1: Davidians themselves, which I thought was something I hadn't seen
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  Speaker 1: anyone doing enough detail, and like you can go to
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  Speaker 1: the wiki and trying to like read all this, but
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  Speaker 1: they present it in a pretty good way that you
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  Speaker 1: kind of get a better feel and a better perspective,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean, if we're starting this out and I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna break down like the sequence of events throughout
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  Speaker 1: this documentary. It opens with this little child talking to
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  Speaker 1: Jim Cavanaugh, who is the negotiator. It's like, it's pretty
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  Speaker 1: heart wrenching. I just kind of like trigger you need
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  Speaker 1: a trigger warning here. The documentary literally starts out with
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  Speaker 1: a child on the phone and he's saying, are you.
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  Speaker 4: Gonna kill me?
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  Speaker 1: And man, knowing what happens at the end of this event,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's so creepy to hear David Koresh and these
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  Speaker 1: kids and all these families on video basically like begging
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  Speaker 1: the ATF not to do what they ultimately end up doing,
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  Speaker 1: and the FBI and dealt the forces and just I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say, ATF, just how a habit?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: And it saw one and a pot of alphabetic stew
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  Speaker 3: from these government agencies, but they.
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  Speaker 5: Had a lot of like nine to one one, like you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, recordings a lot more and like insight like you said,
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  Speaker 3: and to me, the whole thing is the ATF is
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  Speaker 3: just the whole whole time. In my head, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: starting hearing we didn't start the fire. I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 3: the whole premise to me of their defense of what
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  Speaker 3: happened and finding any way to prove they didn't. End
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  Speaker 3: this film also goes a little more thorough on some
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  Speaker 3: of like the visuals and kind of some like their
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  Speaker 3: better camera angles.
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  Speaker 5: This is now nineteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 3: Technology has improved a little bit, people are able to
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  Speaker 3: like kind of show where you're like seeing some gruesome
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  Speaker 3: things happening to the brands.
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  Speaker 1: Davidian that I also think what we see here compared
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  Speaker 1: to the Waco the Big Lie that we watched last week.
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  Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing is a difference of when
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  Speaker 1: you have an extra two or three years to do
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  Speaker 1: all your editing and postproduction and follow up. Where Lynna
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  Speaker 1: Thompson's release in this like immediately as fast as she
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  Speaker 1: can so that you know, there's not as much time
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  Speaker 1: to build this other narrative. So she kind of like
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  Speaker 1: set a checkpoint there to make sure like, hey guys,
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  Speaker 1: we got you, Like here's all of your claims and
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  Speaker 1: here's all the refutations. So now like she kind of
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  Speaker 1: ran so that rules of engagement could walk in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety seven, right, And I also I just want to
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  Speaker 1: apologize ahead of time if I keep saying ATF when
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  Speaker 1: I really mean FBI in a combination of two. Because
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  Speaker 1: ATF did the initial raid that they eventually had to
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  Speaker 1: back up from because they ran out of AMMO, and
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  Speaker 1: they called it quote unquote truce, but really they just
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  Speaker 1: ran out of bullets and then they were like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we screwed the pooch on that one. That's when the
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  Speaker 1: FBI comes in. That's when all the military forces come in.
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  Speaker 4: Tinfoil had on really quick.
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  Speaker 1: Like I think the ATF was sent in as like
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  Speaker 1: the ORDUV, right, Like the main course was always going
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  Speaker 1: to be a military operation with the FBI at the
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  Speaker 1: helm of it, and the ATF was just sort of
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  Speaker 1: like to what your appetite a little bit. But the
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  Speaker 1: actual events that we see take place throughout the course
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  Speaker 1: of this documentary is largely the FBI. After the FBI
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  Speaker 1: comes in and takes over.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like the ATF was the bait, right,
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  Speaker 3: Like they were like the stumbling, bumbling idiots and they're
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  Speaker 3: like they maybe they knew that this was like the
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  Speaker 3: worst division of the ATF, and they're like, let's just
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  Speaker 3: send these fools in. Man, they're gonna get they're gonna
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  Speaker 3: shoot each other up.
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  Speaker 4: We can say, the mighty ducks of the ATF.
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  Speaker 3: The mighty ducks of US government agencies. They're like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's let's get them out there. Maybe maybe in general,
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  Speaker 3: the ATF is known for mucking things up, right, so
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  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, let's get these guys out there. They're
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  Speaker 3: gonna kill each other and make it look a mess
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  Speaker 3: of it. Then the FBI could come out because it
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  Speaker 3: seemed even just seeing like all the witnesses and the testimony,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like there was some things behind the scenes
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  Speaker 3: that we are not allowed to know.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: It goes back to the nine to eleven's okay, see JFK.
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  Speaker 3: It's this little boundary where they're not going to allow
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  Speaker 3: us to pass. And then they're like, no, no, no, they'll
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  Speaker 3: stick to a dumb story like no matter how foolish
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  Speaker 3: it sounds, they're like, no, no, that makes sense. They
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  Speaker 3: doused them sos in in gasoline and that's how they
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  Speaker 3: started the fire.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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  Speaker 1: The other way that this documentary starts out too, right
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  Speaker 1: after it's done playing that horrible audio of the kid
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  Speaker 1: like please don't burn us alive, please don't kill us,
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  Speaker 1: and Jim Cavanaugh.
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  Speaker 4: The negotiators like, no, no, no, honey, We're not going
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  Speaker 4: to do that. No one's going to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Then it shows what I mentioned in our previous week
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  Speaker 1: that the FBI sent in to the Branch Davidians a
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  Speaker 1: little like camcord, like a home cam quarder, and they did.
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  Speaker 1: They passed it around all these different families. So in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning of this documentary and a few clips throughout it,
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  Speaker 1: we actually see these families talking directly to the camera,
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  Speaker 1: and some of them are like, like, why did you come?
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  Speaker 1: You're probably asking why did we come all the way
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  Speaker 1: here from the UK to live in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: Texas in this dry area with like nothing going on,
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  Speaker 1: and the ladies like, it's because we've been fascinated with
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  Speaker 1: the Seven Seals in this Book of Revelation, and that
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  Speaker 1: this guy, David Koresh seems to be onto something. He
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  Speaker 1: seems to be as fascinated with this particular part of
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  Speaker 1: the Bible that we are. And if this is like
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  Speaker 1: the pilgrimage to anyone that cared enough about the Seven
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  Speaker 1: Seals specifically, that's what the Branch Davidians were all about,
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  Speaker 1: and that's why they all congregated to this place. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that David Koresh had an ideology that he was selling.
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  Speaker 1: And they actually make a really good point throughout the
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  Speaker 1: course of this movie that no one was here because
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  Speaker 1: David Koresh was Jim Jones charisma hypnotizing everyone to be there.
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  Speaker 1: It was because he happened to be like the de
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  Speaker 1: facto expert or claim to be in this one tiny
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  Speaker 1: little niche of the seven Seals in the Bible. So
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  Speaker 1: if you want to know about it, this is where
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  Speaker 1: you went.
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  Speaker 3: I think this is an important claim because the basis
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  Speaker 3: of everything we've heard, I think this is where really
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  Speaker 3: to me kind of makes me kind of look at
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  Speaker 3: David Koresh a little differently because I'm like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Like the way that it's painted is like people are
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  Speaker 3: only going there because they think he's the second coming
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  Speaker 3: of Jesus right now, man, People may have thought that
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  Speaker 3: after a while, but it was not the main reason
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  Speaker 3: why people went to the.
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  Speaker 5: Branch Da Vidian in the first place.
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  Speaker 3: Right like that to get there, they had to have
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  Speaker 3: something that they were already fanatics of, And it connects
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  Speaker 3: you with the guy that's like, hey, he's the expert.
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  Speaker 3: He can decipher it for you instead of this like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: they're just following blindly and they're about to go drink
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of kool aid, which we know of colts.
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  Speaker 3: Because if you heard throughout all of these films that
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  Speaker 3: we've watched, when you hear the media at that time
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  Speaker 3: talking about David Koresh and his followers, it was always
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  Speaker 3: cult cut quote militia cult, militia cult where they wanted
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  Speaker 3: to like drive it home that this was a cult.
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  Speaker 3: This is like the things you see where they're drinking
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  Speaker 3: the kool aid, where they're all going to kill each other,
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  Speaker 3: that they have these weird thoughts. So throughout history, any
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  Speaker 3: cult is stuff you've seen related to David Koreshi and
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  Speaker 3: the Branch Davidians.
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  Speaker 4: So about some of the history of the Branch Davidians.
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  Speaker 1: This documented does a great job, and I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to recount every single good point that they make, but
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  Speaker 1: here's the highlights. So the Branch Davidians started as a
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  Speaker 1: breakoff of the Seventh Day at Ventice Church, and that
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  Speaker 1: this was started as Da Vidians was started in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirty five by a guy named Victor Hotef, and even
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  Speaker 1: back then in nineteen thirty five. It was entirely around
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  Speaker 1: the Seventh Seals and the Book of Revelation and Judgment Day.
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  Speaker 1: This is the advent right, the Adventists. They're focused on
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  Speaker 1: this final day where Jesus comes back and there's a
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  Speaker 1: huge war essentially that breaks out. That they moved to
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  Speaker 1: Mount Carmel to prepare for what they thought were going
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  Speaker 1: to be the Earth's final days in the nineteen fifties,
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  Speaker 1: and spoiler alert, that didn't happen, So the original Davidians
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  Speaker 1: kind of fizzled out from that point. They got some
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  Speaker 1: pretty decent numbers, but then when the end of the
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  Speaker 1: world never came as predicted, a bunch of people are like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, I feel dumb and long enough they just
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  Speaker 1: went back out and joined some other, you know, weird
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  Speaker 1: Christian sect. But a few, like diehards, kept it going,
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  Speaker 1: including his wife, and she basically kept running this sect
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  Speaker 1: for a while and until she dies, And when she dies,
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  Speaker 1: the control of these branch Davidians get passed on to
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  Speaker 1: her star pupil, which wasn't her own kid, to his
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  Speaker 1: own sort of dismay, but it was to this this
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  Speaker 1: kid that ends up becoming David koresh name was Vernon Hall.
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  Speaker 1: He renames himself David Koresh for all sorts of like
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  Speaker 1: biblical reasons, David was King David, and Koresh is the
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  Speaker 1: Hebrew translation of Cyrus, which was a reference to like
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  Speaker 1: the biblical Cyrus who defeated the Babylonians. So in David
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  Speaker 1: Koresh's mind, he's like this new prophet. He calls himself
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  Speaker 1: a messiah, not the Messiah I think, or that's what
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  Speaker 1: other people related to, but that he was going to
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  Speaker 1: be this sinful like the first Jesus was free from
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  Speaker 1: sin and he was crucified for everyone else's sin, so
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  Speaker 1: he himself was free. David Koresh is like, I'm Jesus
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  Speaker 1: that sins and drinks and has sex and plays rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll, but I'm going to like be this next
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  Speaker 1: prophet that reveals these seven seals to you. So the
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  Speaker 1: key point that was kind of made that David Koresh
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  Speaker 1: didn't start this branch Davidian. This has been going on
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  Speaker 1: since the nineteen thirties. He just ended up taking over
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  Speaker 1: at a certain point because he kind of got voted
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  Speaker 1: in as the one that was most aligned with what
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  Speaker 1: everyone else already wanted.
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  Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is that every single conspiratorial documentary
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  Speaker 3: that we and we go through, and there's media outlets
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  Speaker 3: that are involved, it's always this spin. It's the same
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  Speaker 3: thing you hear of all the notions where they go, oh,
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  Speaker 3: like climate change, it's gonna be this, this is this
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  Speaker 3: and that. But they're like, oh, well, we're only getting
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  Speaker 3: the temperatures from one hundred years ago, right.
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  Speaker 5: They don't tell you the full story. They're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: this is like the hottest day ever.
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  Speaker 3: You're like since nineteen eighty three, Like right, they don't
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  Speaker 3: tell you that last little detail that you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: that's kind of important, huh, Like I should probably know that,
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  Speaker 3: not just like oh wow, this is the hottest day
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  Speaker 3: since last week. Right, we can keep going back and
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  Speaker 3: forth if you go into the future. And they did
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  Speaker 3: the same thing with David koresh Wher. They're like made
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  Speaker 3: it seem without necessarily telling you. But the way they
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  Speaker 3: painted the picture, I think most of us thought like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: this guy just was like woke up when day and
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  Speaker 3: was like, hey, I'm Jesus follow me, right, and then
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  Speaker 3: he started telling people like, hey, you should follow me.
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  Speaker 5: That's the way they portrayed it.
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  Speaker 3: And then when you watch this film, you're like, no,
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  Speaker 3: there was actually already established. He actually went for refuge
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  Speaker 3: because he didn't have the greatest life and he wasn't
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  Speaker 3: this charming dude. And then I think he built this
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  Speaker 3: character that just like fit in with what was already there.
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  Speaker 5: And then what are you gonna do?
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  Speaker 3: You're like, oh, perfect, dude, I'll just say I'm descending
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  Speaker 3: rock and roll Jesus and I could just get laid
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  Speaker 3: and do drugs and party and just like have fun.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and also that, uh, they make a good point
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  Speaker 1: that he was obsessed with the Seven Seals as a child,
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  Speaker 1: so he was already headed towards some very niche sect
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  Speaker 1: somewhere out there in the world. He was kind of
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  Speaker 1: destined to like link up with these Branch Davidians because again,
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  Speaker 1: like they their focus was on the Seven Seals. So
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  Speaker 1: this wasn't Koresh making this a thing. This was just
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  Speaker 1: him filling the role that they were looking for and
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  Speaker 1: someone out there. So he gets elected and then all
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  Speaker 1: this happens. The other big point that they get into
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  Speaker 1: in this documentary all these congressional hearings, so we see
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  Speaker 1: actual court recorded footage, lots of Chuck Schumer, young Chuck Schumer,
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  Speaker 1: relative of Amy Schumer, by the way, and just a reminder.
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  Speaker 4: Of that that's true.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's not even in jazz, that's actually true.
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  Speaker 1: And he he comes across as an idiot.
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  Speaker 4: I gotta say.
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  Speaker 1: In this particular documentary, he is out of his lane
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  Speaker 1: telling military people about how flash bang grenades work. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, oh, I, I could you know, eat have
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  Speaker 1: one of these in my cereal every morning. It's not dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: And he's such a klutz in this, but it shows
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  Speaker 1: to the congressional hearings. They have a guy that is
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  Speaker 1: an author for a book called asher Ashes of Waco.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's called or it's something like that. Mister
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  Speaker 1: Revis is his little nameplay on there. So Revis writes
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  Speaker 1: this book and they have him on and this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of how they open up these congressional hearings. And
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  Speaker 1: he's making this point of like I wrote this book
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  Speaker 1: that has all this extra research. But the problem is
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  Speaker 1: that I'm the only one that's written this book. And
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  Speaker 1: there's no other books about this. There's no one refuting
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  Speaker 1: the book, there's no counterclaims to the book. It's just
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  Speaker 1: this one book. That he wrote at the time, you
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  Speaker 1: know this nineteen ninety seven before and he's making this
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  Speaker 1: good point that the press just completely black holes the
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  Speaker 1: story the second the compound burns down. He's the one
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  Speaker 1: that makes that claim, and he was saying that, hey,
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  Speaker 1: look the ATF and the FBI, they rush into this
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  Speaker 1: place of these Branch Davidians, and if you just research
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  Speaker 1: who are the Branch Davidians.
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  Speaker 4: The one though, like one sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Description, is that it's a group that has a prophecy
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that dates to the nineteen thirties about the authorities coming
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: in and wiping them out, and that they have to
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: prepare for this event where the authorities come in and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: wipe them out. And essentially the authorities like did a
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: self fulfilling prophecy. They figured out what these guys were
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: most afraid of and became that thing, whether intentionally or not.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And that's sort of the premise of this book that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: he writes. And he also makes a really great point
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: that what sells the public on Waco and that there
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: were this scary cult that could have done something bad
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: was this stockpiling of weapons. There were stockpiling weapons and
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: they had just rooms full of you know, semi automatic rifles,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: which sounds really scary. It just means a rifle. You
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: don't have to put the word semi automatic in there
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: unless it's bold action. But that they keep pushing this
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: narrative over and over again in the media and the
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Congression reports, and he makes a good point. It was like,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: if you run a gun store. Let's say you make
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: money selling guns legally, legitimately, you've got a gun store
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in your city.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: I guarantee you, whoever's listening to this, if you're.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: In the good old USA, that store is stockpiling weapons.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: They just call it product inventory.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that he really drives home
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: is that David koresh that since he's part of this
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: group that believes the authorities are going to come and
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: they want to prevent, he is interested in firearms. So
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: he goes out and he looks into it, and he
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: realizes very quickly, like, wow, we can actually make this
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a business. We can sustain ourselves and make sure we
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: buy all of our supplies and food and utilities by
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: just buying and selling guns. They essentially became a gun store.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And that was the premise. And if you are going
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: to say, well, the ATF can run the ATF and
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: the FBI can rush in with tanks and shoppers and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: people shooting down on it because they're stockpiling weapons. Then
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: wants to stop them from rating Dick's sporting goods.
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: No exactly.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: It also painted because he Chuck Schuber wasn't more on it,
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and he's in this so much. Man, I was like,
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: oh my god, man, they keeps showing him, but I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: guess because he's saying dumb things. And it to me
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: kind of started the big like oh, well, here's the
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: push for like let's take the gun way, right, like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: you know, the Democrats, And not that Republicans are any
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: better or anything, but it was just interesting to see like, oh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: here's the democrat credic hand started to get a little
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: fat around the you know, the stomach, and the belts
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: getting tight where they're like able to be like, yeah,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: we can infringe on your rights as long as we
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: think it's like a danger.
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Right, everything's a danger.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: And he he just mocks that anybody that goes against
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: the official narrative, and and these people of like, oh
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: that couldn't have happened.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: That's not what happened.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: These people are crazy when you're knowing that they didn't
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: just stock pow weapons even go to a point where
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: they were like trying to say, oh, he went to
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: some gun shows. And one of the guys that they're
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: interview and he's like, I've been to I'm not a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: gun enthusiast, but I've been to quite a few gun shows.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Right, that doesn't mean.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I have like you kind of have to buy state law.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: You have to go to a few gun shows every
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: year otherwise you're not allowed to be.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: A state citizen.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I think a by law, like you can't.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: It's like they make these points that are these little
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: nitty gritty like, oh, well one time you walked into
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: a gun store, Like come on, man, like anybody has
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: done these little things and they're just trying to paint
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: the picture. And you could see the established guys that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: have been around for a while because they're still on
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: like Chuck Schumer, for instance, I'm kind of glad they
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: put him in it, because you're like, that is what
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: the establishment is, where they're holding on to the narrative
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: no matter what evidence was presented. Like we got into
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: the flash bang in the Flashbank segment where he's like
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: that's not dangerous at all.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: The guys like it's an explosive.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: If you throw it at somebody, it can blow their
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: hand off or their face off.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: It is dangerous.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Some of the other things that come up in this
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: congressional hearings section of the documentary is they bring in
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this fourteen year old girl that was part of the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: branch Davidian. She was one of the girls of like
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: a different family in there, and she's claiming some pretty
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: horrific things about David Koresh doing to her and other
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: people in there. And again, kind of like the first
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: two documentaries, it doesn't refute necessarily. It does say that
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they've got people that are like she told that to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: her mom, and her mom didn't even believe her. It's like,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know that it doesn't completely dispute, you know,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: like if there's an investigation of this, and clearly it's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: never going to be resolved because everyone burnt.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I don't think she did.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: She actually went to live outside this where she's given
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: this testimony, but that the documentary makes this point that
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: the ATF had zero jurisdiction with any sort of assault
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: case like that. The ATF only would have had jurisdiction
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: if drugs were involved or illegal guns, and especially if
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: both of those things were involved, So that that was
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: sort of just this theatrical inclusion in these congressional hearings
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to make sure that they got the like doing things
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: with kids narrative firmly out front and center, and someone
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: rightfully points out immediately they're like, that has absolutely nothing
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: to do with this case or whether or not this
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: was justified action. Why is this testimony even being included,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: And again it's because they're trying to like paint a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: very specific narrative and justify the horrific things that happened afterwards,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: like retroactively fit them. The other ones we got here
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: is that the ATF said that they found gun parts,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: but the counterpoint was that they never actually prove legal
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: intent that they were taking these gun parts and doing
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: something illegal with them. You can buy and sell lowers
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: as just a regular gun dealer, but you're not allowed
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to like drill a hole in certain places otherwise now
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's illegal. So technically, if you've
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: got a drill and you've got the lower, then unless
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: they can prove that you have the intent to put
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: those two things together, but that was one of the
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: other justifications for why the ATF was allowed to move
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: in the first place. And this one also really drills
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: in about how the ATF seems as though they hired
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: pr people before the raid even happened, like they had
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: a whole game plan. They reached out to the media.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: They were like, hey, set your clock, something's going down.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: You might want to be there with a camera if
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: you want some really explosive footage if you get my drift,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: you know, like that this one's gotta be in pushed
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: so that that there was a level of orchestration here
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that can't be explained away through just pure incompetence and unpreparedness.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: Well, I like this and like even the last two
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: films before this one, like they both to me. I
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: love it when I'm watching a film where they can
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: actually bring up evidence of like you're like, oh, not
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: just someone saying like yeah, they were telling the media.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: They had like actual recordings of the media like yeah,
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: like look they're talking to them, They're letting them know
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that something's happening and something's going down, and like how do.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: You say, wink wink, don't wait up too late tonight.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean, It's gonna get a little firework,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, you might want to bring
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: your shades tonight. It's gonna get right, like they were insinuating.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: And then the fact that they that they were already
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: planning on doing this it to me. This film tells
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: me that they wanted to set this in motion before anything.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So they were just throwing whatever they could to make
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it stick. They wanted to go into this estate way
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: before anything that they had that they were like, oh,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: we have a little piece of this girl that maybe
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: they were manufacturing weapons.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: I think there was a math lab in there. They
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: were just trying to stick in there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: And I think it was like whether it's for practice
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: or whether they had a personal grudge what, I don't
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: know what. I still haven't got the resolve of why
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: the hell was it this focus on them so much,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: not from the fake like, hey they had weapons, Hey
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: they were doing stuff to kids, Like I just don't
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: believe a lot of that now, and I think that
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: they were targeting them for a reason. Was it similar
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: to Ruby Ridge? Was it to make an example? That's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: where like it leaves my mind.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So there was a quote from one of the people
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it's being interviewed in this documentary that sums this part
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: up at least all this congressional hearing stuff, and it's
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: basically that there's all these these lies, there's all this misinformation, disinformation.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: They're literally citing the wrong statutes inside the legal documents,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and this guy basically says, Okay, so what we've got
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: here is sloppy work, which shows that they're scrambling, they
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: just get this done. But also it's very inflammatory, just
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: like when we talked about in Big Lie, though the
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Waco Blue Book was actually called Research into David koresh Right,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't about Waco, it was about this guy
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and this In this movie Rules of Engagement in ninety seven,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: they're talking about how when you combine inflammatory with sloppy
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: that that means that the ATF was just in an
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: absolute hurry to make this like big splash. And they
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: also hint in this document about how it's suspicious that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the ATF is like, yeah, we screwed up, and the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: FBI is like, yeah, they screwed up, and that they're
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: so willing to take this fall that there was someone
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: in the fall on their sword in a way that
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: they realize how bad it could be if people look
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit further into any of this. So it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: just like, look, whatever is the easiest way out, let's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: just take that. And I think that they represent it
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: well throughout the course of all these proceedings, and it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: highlighted by Chuck Schumer again like telling people think like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: he all of a sudden he's an expert in anything
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: anyone could bring up in front of the panel, even
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: though he's clearly an idiot and he's not an expert
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: in this stuff. And he's telling military commandos about how
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: safe a flash bang is, and they're like, sir, i'll
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: due respect, you know, like that that will blow your
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: head off. You will die if that flash bang goes
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: off that close to your head. He's like, no, everyone
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: knows that you can't get hurt from a flashbang.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: And I liked how they insinuate and they kind of
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: like they don't have definite proof of this, but they
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: do kind of go like, hey, the ATF was trying
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: to make a name for themselves as an agency. This
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: is kind of more speculation and opinion, right, Like, it's
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: not like you can nail it down to get more
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: funding to be this powerhouse like the FBI. I'm sure
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that these agencies compete with each other for sure.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Some of the physical evidence that comes up in this movie.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: The front door is like one of the high points
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of contention with this entire thing. The more you look
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: into the Waco aftermath and all the legal proceedings, this
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: missing front door. Why does everyone care about the front door? Well,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: because the front door, allegedly, since we don't have it,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: is supposed to show that there were bullet holes coming
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: from inside outwards shooting at the agents as they're approaching
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the compound. But in reality, according to these documentaries and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: all these eyewitnesses and everyone, is that the bullet holes
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: were all coming from the outside from the ATF and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: the FBI shooting inside the compound and hitting people inside,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and that this is why the door disappears, is because
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: it would kind of show proof of this. And in
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: an addition to that, an extension of like why is
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: the door not here? Who cares about the door? Why
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: was the compound burnt down and just they brought in
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: bulldozers and just leveled the entire place. Well, it was
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: because there was all this evidence of shots coming from
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: helicopters that were.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Coming in through the ceilings and shooting through.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: The water towers and hitting people on the ground all
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: from the sky, which is a theme that keeps getting
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: repeated in every single one of these documentaries. They keep
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: talking about these helicopters where people were shooting from. And
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: what's crazy is that the official government sort of response
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was like, well, they didn't have mounted guns on those helicopters,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: and then at some point someone's like, but they had guns,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like the agents themselves had there, and then the government
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: response is like, oh, yeah, well, I mean maybe, like
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: maybe they could have done that. So they didn't even
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: really try really hard to kind of cover this aspect
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: of it up. And I guess the premise being that
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that's why they burnt the whole thing down, is that
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it would have been so easy to prove like, oh
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: my god, this was a firefight, like a one sided firefight,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and it was not the branch Davidians that were out
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: gunning the atf imagine that hidden treasures overboard moments. What
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: did you like the most about this one?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: One of the biggest hidden treasures for me is like
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: where they have this scene where like cause the footage
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: is much better than Big Lie one and Big Lie two.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Obviously technology got better and the guy had a professional
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: crew onto this, right, like even the upgrade of the
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: narrator where I'm like, all right, man, this is a
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: little bit longer. But this guy's he's dragging me along
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: pretty good man. You know, he's getting me to where
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: I want to. But they're showing the footage of one
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: of where the fire where that the tanks were shooting,
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And he actually where I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: actually could see it, right, he goes, hey, here's the
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: flash bang someone breaking it down. And then the other
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: big one was where they break through the wall with
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: the tank and you're like, oh, that's a body on there. Like,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: so it proves some of the gruesomeness of like that
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: Linda may not have been able to prove as much
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: because of the camera footage, like you could kind of tell,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you know, cause it was insinuating about the kid.
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: You could put it there. And I'm not saying she did,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: but this to me had.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: More gruesomeness of your like, oh yeah, they're just trying
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: to cover up they're mistake and they're just doing it
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: like it's like a snowball effect, like they messed up
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: in the beginning, and everything they do to cover up
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: is so sloppy throughout the whole entire thing.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: The hidden tra I mean, it's hard to call this
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: hidden treasure because they actually show the dead bodies and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: the autopsies, right, So I'm not going to consider.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: That necessarily hidden treasure.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: But that is a level that you don't see in
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: any other Waco documentary, at least I haven't, and any
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: other one where they're actually showing, Hey, here's the decayed
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: remains of a child folded backwards because the cs gas
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: caused their muscles to go into such a violent spasm
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that it like bent them backwards. And that's superimposed in
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: this documentary with one of like the government officials basically
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: saying I'm going to paraphrase this, but it's it's pretty close.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: It's like there is no heightened risk when applying cs
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: gas to children or the elderly compared to any other
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: able bodied person. They're basically saying that if you spray
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: a baby in the face with gas or tear gas,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that it's no different than the pain that like a
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: thirty year old man would feel. So therefore it's no
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: more or less ethical to just indiscriminately spray tear gas.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: And so they they show like, Okay, here's the autopsy report.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Here's a photo of what actually happened to these people.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: The part where you're talking about the tank that just
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: runs over a guy. They're like, okay, here's an autopsy
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: report where this guy was missing his entire side of
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: his body's entire leg was severed off, and like the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: bottom part of his arm just completely gone, and it
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: was had this red fabric dangling from it. And we
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: also have this report of the tank tread got ripped
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: off the bottom of the tank because it like ran
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: into something, and that that's something was basically that guy's
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: leg and lower half of his torso, and that they
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: find the other half of this red fabric on this
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: kind of like remains from where the tank tread went,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: and that when the tank actually like broke into the building. Again,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they showed like the congressional juxtapositions, like, yeah, we punched
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: some holes in the building, and it's like, well, what
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we're looking at here isn't a hole that was punched.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Here's a tank driving directly into a building and demolishing
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: that entire room. The entire room's gone, and they go
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: on to show that a lot of the people died
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: from just blunt force trauma of the concrete falling down
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and just crushing them. So again, here's the reason why
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: it all had to be kind of like buried up,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: and the hidden treasure is again like, I haven't seen
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: any other documentary make those claims and be like and
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: then here's the pictures to prove exactly what we're talking about.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: And they also had another hidden claim about the Clinton
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: body count that that was pretty hidden jam of where
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: they so autopsy reports that alleged autopsy reports of these
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: guys being shot in the back of the head that
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: maybe they were like I.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Forgot all about that.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they making a claim that all three of those
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: names that were on Clinton's private security detail when he
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: was on the campaign trail in the Fort Worth area,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I think, but that they all died due to nearly
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: identic execution style left temple shots from like, you know,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: close range.
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  Speaker 4: So that's that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that part we don't see the autopsy of those,
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  Speaker 1: but that is a very specific claim.
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  Speaker 4: All right, sinker swim, where are you at on this one.
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  Speaker 5: This is the twim all the way.
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  Speaker 3: Like I sometimes look at those times like when you
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: see like oh man, it's gonna be two hours and open.
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  Speaker 4: For five minutes.
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  Speaker 3: What you know, you kind of like you get a
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  Speaker 3: little like discouraged, right, You're like, oh, but it flowed
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  Speaker 3: really well and there was so much information, like we
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: didn't even touch the surface. You can watch this whole
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: episode and still go watch the documentary and have like
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: a million other like claims that you're gonna be like,
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: oh wow, it's well put together. It's taking this step
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  Speaker 3: forward and love to see. It's like almost like I
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  Speaker 3: took what Linda did, I improved it, and then I
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: brought in like the new elements of what is going on,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: and I kind of like Hollywood eyed it right, like
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: I made it, took it from the basement and put
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: it to the mainstream. This film really sets it apart
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  Speaker 3: by having the Congress footage too, and seeing a little
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: bit of you get a Joe Biden towards the end,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like little Joey, Like you're like,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, Biden was there too, and how they just
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: loved how the government walked all over Waco, really give
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: this a swim all the way same here.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to beat around the bush on this one.
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  Speaker 1: This is a total swim and I think a lot
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: of it is just because, like what you said, and
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: two hours and forty five minutes you're paying attention, it
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  Speaker 1: goes by, and this feels like reference material that you
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: could keep going back to. I also think that compared
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: to Waco, the Big Lie and this one, this is
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: probably the one that you could sell enormy on the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: most but huge. But I don't know if you're gonna
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: get enormy to sit through two hours and forty five
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: minutes to get all the way through it, which is
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: like do you suggest something that's a little bit like
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: inferior In the case of Linda Thompson's one, because she
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: was like quick to rush it, she was limited to
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: just the rough footage that she got and kind of
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: built around that rough footage versus this one, well produced,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: well edited, makes the case really good, shows the government
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: and competence at every single level all the way up
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: to the congressional hearings that came way later, right. This
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: one drives all that. And I do think that there
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: was like strong bias in this one. Maybe on this
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: not to the level of Linda Thompson, but I think
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: strong bias. But man, this one is very hard to refute,
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: and I think that it's an absolute winner.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: So yeah, swim all the way on this on the Horizon.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: April Wake a month continues, why wouldn't it, And not
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: only is it gonna continue, but we're gonna do another
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: kind of like huge finale episode of Waco. Or we're
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: watching Waco American Apocalypse, which is a three part, three
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: hour series that came out on Netflix, and I figured
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it would be good because we just watched a night
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: late nineties definitely conspiratorial driven series with Waco the Big Lie.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Then we kind of got something maybe in between both
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  Speaker 1: of those that came you know, quite a while after that,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: three or four years later. Now we're gonna get a
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  Speaker 1: modern Obama funded, sort of mainstream indoors.
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  Speaker 4: Take on this as well.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: So I'm going in blind, just like I did with
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: these previous ones. I'm expecting the next one we watched
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  Speaker 1: to be like the mainstream official version, but who knows.
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  Speaker 3: And it's thirty years man, right, nineteen ninety three to
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  Speaker 3: two twenty twenty three, So it's a thirty year span
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  Speaker 3: of like we kind of got it perfect almost in
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  Speaker 3: the middle. The ninety seven is a little closer to
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  Speaker 3: ninety three. But we don't semantics right. This one's gonna
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