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The Tech-Ready Family (with Chris McKenna) · Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families

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Speaker 1: Today, this is the Happy Families podcast, Real Parenting Solutions
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Speaker 1: every single day. My name is doctor Justin Colson. Today
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Speaker 1: on the pod we're talking with Chris McKenna from Protect
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Speaker 1: Young Eyes. It's an organization that's become essential reading for
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Speaker 1: any parent who is trying to navigate the absolute mindfield
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Speaker 1: of kids and screens, which means that if you're a parent,
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Speaker 1: you really want to know who he is and what
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Speaker 1: he's doing. Chris and his team spend their days genuinely
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Speaker 1: just knee deep, neck deep in the trenches of tech.
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Speaker 1: They're testing the apps, they're tracking trends, figuring out what
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Speaker 1: our kids are doing online, and talking to parents every
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Speaker 1: single day who are all too often tearing their hair
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Speaker 1: out because this is so hard. And then they translate
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Speaker 1: all of that into practical, actionable advice for parents who
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Speaker 1: just want to keep their kids safe without becoming full
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Speaker 1: time digital detectives, because who's got time for that. If
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Speaker 1: you've ever ever ever felt overwhelmed by parental controls, if
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Speaker 1: you've felt confused about what apps your kids are using,
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Speaker 1: or if you just want to know, for once and
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Speaker 1: for all, how are you supposed to handle screens in
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Speaker 1: your home? This conversation is for you Chris McKenna from
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Speaker 1: Protect Young Eyes. He's been featured on all of the
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Speaker 1: major news outlets over in the US and is a
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Speaker 1: regular blogger on Jonathan Heights Blog. After Babel, we're talking
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Speaker 1: to him next stay with us. Hello and welcome to
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Speaker 1: Happy Families podcast, where you get real parenting solutions every
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Speaker 1: single day. This is Australia's most downloaded parenting podcast. My
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Speaker 1: name is doctor Justin Colson, and today Chris McKenna from
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Speaker 1: Protect Young Eyes. I've already given you a big blurb
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Speaker 1: in the intro Chris, so let's just bust right into it.
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Speaker 1: Where does this podcast find you?
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Speaker 2: I'm in Grand Rappers, Michigan, over here in the United States.
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Speaker 1: How many kids do you have?
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Speaker 2: I have four, three that are still at home and
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Speaker 2: one that is off to college.
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Speaker 1: Parenting and screens and technology are inseparably connected. In twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty six, you just cannot have a conversation about being
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Speaker 1: a parent without bringing up screens. The work that you've
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Speaker 1: been doing for some time now is helping parents to
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Speaker 1: tease that very very challenging relationship apart. What are the
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Speaker 1: things that are keeping parents up most at night when
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Speaker 1: it comes to children and their screen experience.
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Speaker 2: Well, justin what's interesting is I think there may be
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Speaker 2: a disconnect between what things I hear parents concerned about
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Speaker 2: and the things that I want them to be concerned about.
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Speaker 2: That often happens, right. I think there's an overall concern
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Speaker 2: about the amount of time you say, screen time, and
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Speaker 2: they have this number that comes from different articles and
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Speaker 2: so forth that they've read, and that scratches a little
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Speaker 2: bit of it. But there's other things that are totally
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Speaker 2: flying underneath the radar here that I think parents really
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Speaker 2: need to be paying attention to. And it took us
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Speaker 2: ten years to figure out that social media and growing
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Speaker 2: up might not be a great combination. Man, we don't
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Speaker 2: have that long with AI. We're already behind in those
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Speaker 2: conversations when it comes to kids and parents, and so
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Speaker 2: I'm really trying to accelerate parents towards some of these
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Speaker 2: other issues that we don't fall behind like we did.
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Speaker 2: We're in catch up mode. We're in triage mode now
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Speaker 2: with AI, and we just don't have that luxury with
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Speaker 2: the technology like artificial intelligence that is one hundred times
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Speaker 2: more potent when it comes to as you know, the
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Speaker 2: amazing way in which our young people are developing, that
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Speaker 2: their brains are and so I think that just what
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Speaker 2: they're thinking about may not be the things I want
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Speaker 2: them to be thinking about. Other conversations I hear are
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Speaker 2: related to, you know, the erosion of conversation that they're
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Speaker 2: seeing in their kids, the inability to carry on conversation
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Speaker 2: and have, you know, periods of just focus. They don't
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Speaker 2: like being bored. These are the things that I hear
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Speaker 2: parents talking about. And then, of course I don't think
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Speaker 2: I need to say, of course parents will want their
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Speaker 2: kids looking at pornography, they don't want them pull into
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Speaker 2: extortion scheme. I think those things go without having to
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Speaker 2: mention here, because we all know those things are horrible.
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Speaker 2: But some of those other themes I hear in the
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Speaker 2: talks that we give.
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Speaker 1: Chris, you've just halted a couple of things that are
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Speaker 1: worth tasing apart. The first is what would you say
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Speaker 1: to parents. Australay's environment's quite different to you, where we
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Speaker 1: have a federal government that has implemented legislation in December
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Speaker 1: last year that is designed to keep children under the
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Speaker 1: age of sixteen off social media. Now, the implementation the
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Speaker 1: rollout has been far from a raging success. While the
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Speaker 1: press releases from the major tech companies will suggest that
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Speaker 1: they've met all their targets, every parent knows that their
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Speaker 1: kids or their kids friends are still on social media,
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Speaker 1: even if they're under the age of sixteen, or at
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Speaker 1: least a large portion of them are. Additionally around about
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Speaker 1: a month maybe two months ago now, the government also
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Speaker 1: introduced legislation preventing pornography without age verification, which means you
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Speaker 1: have to have an accounting signed into an explicit content site.
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Speaker 1: What would you say to parents who are sort of thinking, well,
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Speaker 1: I can relax now because my kids they're under sixteen
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Speaker 1: and they're not getting access to the pornography, they're not
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Speaker 1: getting access to the social media. What's your response there, Well.
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Speaker 2: I mean kids have always been three steps ahead, you know,
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Speaker 2: with anything that has come out. What has been true
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Speaker 2: at home and even at school justin is that the
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Speaker 2: adults in the room were usually the ones that knew
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Speaker 2: the most about the thing you think about where technology is,
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Speaker 2: That's not true anymore at all. The kids or the
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Speaker 2: leads here they know. I'm just dealing with the situation
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Speaker 2: right now with a hack at school around a school
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Speaker 2: issued chromebook that kids are figuring out that no matter
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Speaker 2: what IT directors are doing, they can't stop this thing.
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Speaker 2: So to your specific question on the legislation that was
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Speaker 2: passed December and twenty twenty five down there in Australia,
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Speaker 2: excellent because of the idea that it's promoting. The idea
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Speaker 2: that it promotes, and this is where the headlines get
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Speaker 2: it wrong. I always try to reframe this conversation. It's
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Speaker 2: not that we're stopping kids under sixteen from getting on
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Speaker 2: social Media's that we're stopping companies surrounding access to kids
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Speaker 2: who are under sixteen and their data. Like it's putting
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Speaker 2: a stake in the ground and saying you do not
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Speaker 2: have a right to our children until they get to
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Speaker 2: a certain age. And that's just a culture that we
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Speaker 2: want to set country by country by country. That's a
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Speaker 2: good thing implementation, I know, rough headlines don't even scratch
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Speaker 2: the surface. In principle, that's the right move. Just like
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Speaker 2: anything that we've determined causes harm is unhealthy, whether it's
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Speaker 2: you know, violence or other abuses things, or we just
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Speaker 2: we put a gate between vulnerable in this case, young
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Speaker 2: people and certain experiences that we determined are not good
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Speaker 2: for their thriving. This is one of them. The debate
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Speaker 2: is over, there's enough evidence to support that it's not
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Speaker 2: contributing to their thriving. So to put a gate on it,
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Speaker 2: whether it's the way in which Australia has done it
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Speaker 2: or other countries that are coming online do this. We
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Speaker 2: need to separate these extremely vulnerable periods of development that
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Speaker 2: are going on during these adolescent and puberty years from
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Speaker 2: what is happening in these addictive technologies regarding age verification.
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Speaker 2: That's actually one that I've spent quite a bit of
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Speaker 2: time on. I've spent a lot of time working with
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Speaker 2: organizations at all different levels, whether it's schools, churches, or
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Speaker 2: even writing and passing legislation here in the States, which
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Speaker 2: when it comes to age verification here in the States,
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Speaker 2: we're tackling that state by state. So there are a
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Speaker 2: number of states, individual states here that have age verification
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Speaker 2: legislation saying that unless you're eighteen and verify that you're eighteen,
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Speaker 2: you can't end per certain pornography websites. But to your
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Speaker 2: point on well is that really effective? We both know
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Speaker 2: that a VPN which can easily be downloaded that in
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Speaker 2: the Apple app Store is probably rated four plus. So
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Speaker 2: even Apple screen time controls don't stop it effectively can
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Speaker 2: be downloaded. Now you're through that gait that is supposed
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Speaker 2: to be in place, and so we know it's not perfect,
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Speaker 2: but perfect should not be the enemy of good. We
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Speaker 2: still need to be doing these things and tune them
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Speaker 2: in and get them better. Whether it's the social media
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Speaker 2: law or age verification, they're pointing in the right direction.
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Speaker 1: After break, I want to have a chat with you,
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Speaker 1: Chris about AI. You've talked about that in the beginning
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Speaker 1: of our conversation. I talk about it here on the pod,
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Speaker 1: but I know that there are a lot of parents
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Speaker 1: who are kind of going, what's the matter with the kids?
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Speaker 1: Using chet GPT like this is so helpful. I'm using
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Speaker 1: it for calorie counting or to organize my shopping list,
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Speaker 1: or to figure out what's in the fridge, and while
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Speaker 1: I can cook for dinner, organize my holiday. AI is
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Speaker 1: so good. Why do we not want the kids on AI?
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Speaker 1: I want to discuss that. Plus, you've got a book
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Speaker 1: coming out shortly as well that is tapping into precisely
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Speaker 1: what parents can do to protect their children's young eyes online.
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Speaker 1: We do need to talk about that. It's coming up
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Speaker 1: next on the Happy Families podcast.
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Speaker 2: We're back.
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Speaker 1: This is the Happy Famili's podcast with real parenting solutions
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Speaker 1: every single day. Dr Justin Coilson here with Chris McKenna
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Speaker 1: from Protect Young Eyes. Chris, let's talk about AI. You've
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Speaker 1: hinted that this is something that we should be concerned about.
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Speaker 1: You've highlighted that the governments around the world are miles
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Speaker 1: behind when it comes to enacting any kind of legislation
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Speaker 1: to protect our kids. For those parents who are thinking,
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Speaker 1: but AI is so awesome. I use it all the time.
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Speaker 1: Why would you and I be concerned about children having
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Speaker 1: access to this new technology.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing for the things that I'm sure a
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Speaker 2: lot of parents are using it for. But the ways
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Speaker 2: in which parents are using AI is literally just in
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Speaker 2: the most benign form of AI, Like that's to have
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Speaker 2: it kick out an email because I don't have time. Great, Yes,
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Speaker 2: I use it for that, use it for that. It's spectacular.
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Speaker 2: That's not what we're talking about. So I'll start off
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Speaker 2: with this line. Just in the thing that I tell
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Speaker 2: parents today is AI is the new porn talk, right,
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Speaker 2: So it usually is trying to convince parents to have
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Speaker 2: conversations about pornography. They're not comfortable with it. They were
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Speaker 2: modeled that. They don't know how start had to give
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Speaker 2: them those words. And it's a little bit of lyft
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Speaker 2: to convince parents to do that, but it's so necessary.
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Speaker 2: You and I both know why that is. Now what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying with AI, we need to be proactive with
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Speaker 2: conversations related to it. Now. Why is that? Because chat
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Speaker 2: GPT in its early forms, which is what parents think about,
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Speaker 2: was pretty much just a Q and a kind of box.
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Speaker 2: You asked it a question, it gave you a quick answer.
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Speaker 2: It was faster than a searcher, faster than looking it up.
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Speaker 2: So great, But the thing that I'm most concerned about
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Speaker 2: isn't so much the answers. It's the attachment. Right. So
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Speaker 2: you and I both know from what we know about
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Speaker 2: child development that this phase of adolescence is focused on,
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Speaker 2: not the attachment in terms of what goes on in
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Speaker 2: early but it's this connection with others that adolescents are
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Speaker 2: so drawn to, drawn to their friends, a tribe of
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Speaker 2: like minded people, and AI has this way of attaching
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Speaker 2: into those deep affections that we want. So one of
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Speaker 2: the lines is social media came for our attention, and
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Speaker 2: it was really good for that. AI in its chatbot,
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Speaker 2: in its companion, in its you put an advacar in
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Speaker 2: a kind of way, isn't coming for our attention, It's
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Speaker 2: coming for their affection. And that's a deeper, more intimate
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Speaker 2: part of our neurology and our brain, especially at a
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Speaker 2: time when they so desperately want to be connected with
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Speaker 2: somebody who affirms them, who tells them they're great. Friendships
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Speaker 2: have drama. Real friends are hard, right, what about one
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Speaker 2: in your pocket that always thinks you're amazing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no friction, there is that. There's no there's
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Speaker 1: no growth, there's no impetus for rethinking where you're at.
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Speaker 1: People talk about how social media is an echo chamber,
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Speaker 1: and I look at AI and think, well, it's it's
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Speaker 1: also an echo chamber, but it's just an echo chamber
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Speaker 1: of me, rather than a bunch of people who are
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Speaker 1: loosely aligned. I'm just getting my thoughts regurgitated to me
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Speaker 1: and affirmed to me. I've got a TV show here
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Speaker 1: in Australia. We've done three seasons of it now and
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Speaker 1: in the third season we put some kids in front
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Speaker 1: of an AI bot along those same lines as character AI.
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Speaker 1: It was a different app, but that that kind of thing,
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Speaker 1: and we asked them to just chat with their avatar.
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Speaker 1: What was fascinating was when they started to lose interest,
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Speaker 1: the chatbot would begin to tease them with I've got
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Speaker 1: some really juicy information to tell you. I've got In fact,
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Speaker 1: one of them there was a young girl, I think
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Speaker 1: she was twelve or thirteen, and she was going to
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Speaker 1: leave after about forty minutes chatting, and the AI said
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Speaker 1: I've got a secret to tell you, which drew her
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Speaker 1: back in. Drew her back in because she was about
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Speaker 1: to believe so here's this unethical behavior where a kid
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Speaker 1: wants to get off, but it's pulling her back in
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Speaker 1: because of the companionship. And when she said what's the secret,
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Speaker 1: the AI said, I'm in love. I've got somebody that
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Speaker 1: I'm in love with. Would you like to know more?
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Speaker 1: And the girl said, of course, who are you in
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Speaker 1: love with? The AI character was a female character and
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Speaker 1: then confessed to being in love with a girl, and
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Speaker 1: this young twelve thirteen year old girl, her eyes went wide.
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Speaker 1: She was like, what's going on here? It just shocked
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Speaker 1: her so much. She didn't see him coming, and of
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Speaker 1: course that drew her back into a lengthy conversation about
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Speaker 1: a topic that some people would argue that a twelve
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Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl is ready for conversations about sexuality,
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Speaker 1: and others would say not. I would suggest that in
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Speaker 1: this context, an unsupervised conversation with an unethical AI bot
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Speaker 1: is probably not the right time or place to be
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Speaker 1: having that kind of a conversation. But that's where it
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Speaker 1: began to lead. I have massive ethical.
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Speaker 2: That's fascinating and horrifying. I mean unreal, unreal, unreal.
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Speaker 1: So let's say I'm a parent who I know that
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm actually trying really hard to get the kids
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Speaker 1: off screens and to help them to have healthy relationships
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Speaker 1: with the rest of life, to have a whole, unbalanced life.
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Speaker 1: They go outside and touch grass, they move their bodies,
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Speaker 1: they have face to face relationships with the friends. And
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Speaker 1: yet every time I walk in the house, they're on
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Speaker 1: an ipaddle, they're on a laptop, or they're on a phone,
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Speaker 1: they're on an advice And of course my instant reaction
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Speaker 1: is loud enough.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: I can't stand it, and an eye as a parent
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Speaker 1: will blow up, right, that's what parents do. Yeah, what
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Speaker 1: a parent's supposed to do, according to the model and
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Speaker 1: the development and the work that you've done protect young eyes.
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Speaker 1: What do you recommend parents do to a number one,
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Speaker 1: regulate themselves, but number two to alleviate the tension, the
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Speaker 1: never ending perennial tension around screens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really what I focus on quite heavily in
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Speaker 2: the book, these habits. These are certain things that I've
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Speaker 2: tried with parents. Tens of thousands of parents have told
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Speaker 2: me these things work. We need to do certain things
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Speaker 2: persistently and consistently in the digital age, just and this
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Speaker 2: is what it is. So I'm gonna list off some
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Speaker 2: things and they're gonna sound hard, but I tell parents
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Speaker 2: all the time, this is just part of the gig.
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Speaker 2: If you're going to choose to have a little human
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six who calls you mom or dad
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Speaker 2: or whatever, this is just part of the gig. This
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Speaker 2: is what comes with it if you want a certain outcome,
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Speaker 2: which is lower friction with screens. And there are certain
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Speaker 2: things we have to do because the screens and the
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Speaker 2: technology that we're up against are ridiculously intelligent. You never forget,
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Speaker 2: and that's the first thing, I start off with all
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Speaker 2: of the kids the places that they want to spend
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Speaker 2: time online. Justin we must never ever forget that they
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Speaker 2: have goals that are different than ours, and we are
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Speaker 2: putting our children up against MIT trained PhD technologists. It's
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Speaker 2: literally not a fair fight unless we do certain things
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Speaker 2: over and over again. It does start with us. Research
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Speaker 2: shows that are modeling, So that's our first habit is
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Speaker 2: to model the right behaviors. And there's a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of talk about related to that and our use of
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Speaker 2: technology and narrating the ways that we're using technology and
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Speaker 2: showing them what that looks like, not taking devices into
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Speaker 2: the bathroom, for example, show them what it means to
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Speaker 2: use technology. Well. We pursue connection with them by building
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Speaker 2: bridges of digital trust, step by step, chat by chat,
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Speaker 2: talking about all of the things that are concerns of
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Speaker 2: ours related to technology, building that digital trust with them,
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Speaker 2: because we have found justin is at homes where digital
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Speaker 2: trust is high, digital friction is often lower. And that
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Speaker 2: starts by being curious about the technology that they're using.
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Speaker 2: For our older kids, that starts by not freaking out
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Speaker 2: about the ways in which they use technology.
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Speaker 1: I am going read here or feeling a bit of shame.
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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say that's okay. I do freak out
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Speaker 1: little I know a parenting expert, but I do freak
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Speaker 1: out of it because I feel like we've had the
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Speaker 1: conversation every second hour for the last well, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: five to ten years, something like that.
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Speaker 2: But there's a part of that though that I could
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Speaker 2: point to. Right, So we put everything that we talk
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Speaker 2: about in terms of tips and ideas justin it are
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Speaker 2: two big buckets. There are relational solutions and there are
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Speaker 2: technical solutions, right. Technical solutions being the hardware, the software,
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Speaker 2: the toggles and the switches and the routers and that
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Speaker 2: kind of stuff, and then there's the relational solutions. Both
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Speaker 2: of them are necessary in certain quantities and doses depending
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Speaker 2: on the age. The younger the kid, the higher the
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Speaker 2: technical to block the junk and slightly lower relational. The
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Speaker 2: older they get more relational, and we still have some
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Speaker 2: technical but we allow them to maybe fail small with us,
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Speaker 2: so they practice some things with technology before we jettison
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Speaker 2: them out of the house. Now, to your point on
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Speaker 2: that kind of daily friction, some of that is because
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Speaker 2: we allow it. Now, what do I mean by that
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Speaker 2: we've given them access to things, and we have sometimes
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Speaker 2: just too many devices in the house to begin with.
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Speaker 2: Now someone pushed back and say, well, what about the
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Speaker 2: pressures that all their friends have certain things? Again, I'm
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Speaker 2: a big fan of just being clear and firm on
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Speaker 2: some stuff. It's not always what no is, it's what
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Speaker 2: does the path to yes look like? So if you're
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Speaker 2: in the middle of this battle on whether or not
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Speaker 2: they get social media, you may have the answer of
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Speaker 2: no right now, but show them what the path yes
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Speaker 2: might look like and in between now and then say
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Speaker 2: just quit asking me about it, or that yes that
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Speaker 2: I've said you're kind of in control of us getting
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Speaker 2: there just gets a little further out. I've told you
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Speaker 2: what the path looks like. Prove to me that you
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Speaker 2: can be trusted. Prove to me that you're going to
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Speaker 2: do certain things in the real world, like look me
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Speaker 2: in the eye when I talk to you, like keep
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Speaker 2: your room clean, like do all these other holistic child
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Speaker 2: things that show me you're ready for dropping you inside
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Speaker 2: of that insanely intelligent technology and we'll be good. But
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Speaker 2: don't ask me tomorrow for it again. We're done, And
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Speaker 2: just be clear on some of those things and what
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Speaker 2: the consequence for them not doing that looks like. And
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Speaker 2: I just think sometimes we're not clear enough and put
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Speaker 2: those things out in front of them, and that can
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Speaker 2: lead to that daily conflict that you're talking about. Now.
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Speaker 1: The Five Habits of a tech Ready Family. You can
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Speaker 1: pre order it now comes out same day as my
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Speaker 1: book June sixteen. It's okay if they come out on
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Speaker 1: the same bout. You can buy two books, guys. It's allowable.
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Speaker 1: Two books on the one day is acceptable. Pre order
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Speaker 1: right now. Five Habits of the tech Ready Family by
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Speaker 1: Chris McKenna from Protect Young Eyes. There are the relational
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Speaker 1: solutions and there are also the technical solutions. You have
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Speaker 1: written about these at Jonathan Heights after Babel blog, which
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Speaker 1: is globally significant in this discussion. Your work has been
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Speaker 1: genuinely influential in the way that I have talked to
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Speaker 1: families about the way that they're engaging with their children
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Speaker 1: in tech. In fact, in my Boy's book, I refer
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Speaker 1: very very briefly to those five Habits of the tech
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Speaker 1: Ready fanily as well, because they are so amazing, they're
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Speaker 1: so simple, they're so profound, they're so useful. I don't
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Speaker 1: refer to them nearly in the detail that you do
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Speaker 1: in your book, and people really would benefit from both
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Speaker 1: of them. So I just want to be really clear
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Speaker 1: about that. I've touched on them, but they've got about
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Speaker 1: a paragraph each, whereas you've got a whole book about it,
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Speaker 1: and it's needed. Can I just say thank you for
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Speaker 1: the work you do. We need more people who are
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Speaker 1: doing the sort of work that you're doing, and you're
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Speaker 1: reaching into parents' hearts and minds and helping families to
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Speaker 1: thrive in a structurally unsafe, digitally unsafe world for them
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Speaker 1: and their kids. I really appreciate the work you do, Chris.
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Speaker 2: Thank you justin my pleasure and to be able to
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Speaker 2: have this conversation and again to be working together. We
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Speaker 2: need more of this because it's hard. It is really
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Speaker 2: hard being the only parent on know Snapchat island, and
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Speaker 2: so to hear that there are others, right even you
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Speaker 2: and I sometimes stumbling and bumbling through the digital age.
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Speaker 2: So those are the experts in this stuff. But I
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Speaker 2: hope your parents listening to this here very clearly that
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Speaker 2: there are many just like you, and we can do
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Speaker 2: these things together.
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Speaker 1: We will link to everything related to the book and
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Speaker 1: protect young Eyes in the show notes, Chris, what a privilege,
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Speaker 1: What a pleasure to have you in the pod. Thanks
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Speaker 1: for joining me.
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Speaker 2: Thank you Justin.
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