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IFH 833: Making Movies Without Sight: Inside the Creative Mind of Gough · Indie Film Hustle® - A Filmmaking Podcast

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  Speaker 5: On this episode of the podcast, I have a very
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  Speaker 5: special filmmaker because he is a very special journey, a
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  Speaker 5: very special case, even more so than usual because he's
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  Speaker 5: actually blind. This person is the first legally blind person
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  Speaker 5: to write, produce, edit, direct, and start a feature film,
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  Speaker 5: which is the first time that's happened, I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And then he's going on to.
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  Speaker 5: Write and produce and direct many other projects, including a
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  Speaker 5: number of films, audiobooks and books. His film production company,
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  Speaker 5: Beer Nuts Productions, has worked with some of Australia's finest actors,
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  Speaker 5: artists and production crew and he has been able to
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  Speaker 5: you know, he's doing you know, following his dream. He's
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  Speaker 5: doing it right there in Australia. And that's one of
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  Speaker 5: the things about this podcast is pulling people from all
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  Speaker 5: over the world, and it's seeing that all of the
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  Speaker 5: great things are happening all over the place, and we
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  Speaker 5: talk all about that stuff and how do you make
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  Speaker 5: a film when you're blind? And you know, all the
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  Speaker 5: doors were closed in his face and nobody really took
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  Speaker 5: him seriously. And now he's out there doing it. And
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  Speaker 5: now he's on this podcast with guest Goff. You know,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, you are actually the first per from
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  Speaker 5: Australia that they've actually had on the podcast.
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  Speaker 6: Oh I feel honored. I feel honored.
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  Speaker 7: So, yeah, you're making it global. Now you're going global.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: We've had Canadians on, I've had some British filmmakers on
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  Speaker 5: and now and I've had New Zealand filmmakers on. So
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  Speaker 5: now we're going to go to Australia.
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  Speaker 7: Now I'm a little upset that New Zealand came before Australia.
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  Speaker 7: I do have to say, I mean, you know, I
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  Speaker 7: don't know that that's quite I think you've got the
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  Speaker 7: order there a little bit mixed up, you know, so
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  Speaker 7: because obviously in Australia we make all of our jokes
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  Speaker 7: about New Zealanders like you guys do about Canadians, you know.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, I'm just a little bit upset that
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  Speaker 7: New Zealand came first.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sorry man it What happened was she reached out
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  Speaker 5: to me, and that was our good friend at film
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  Speaker 5: sprats pr and she actually reached out to me and
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  Speaker 5: just said, hey, Dave, you want to do this, and
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  Speaker 5: I said sure. You know what you know, GoF, I
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  Speaker 5: did not think about it, though I should have. I
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  Speaker 5: should have said I'm sorry, I have that's something on
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  Speaker 5: Australia first, and then I can have you on.
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  Speaker 7: Your life the next time.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, I'll make sure to make that now. I'll
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  Speaker 5: never make that mistake again, I swear to God. So
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  Speaker 5: so goff if we get started, uh, you know, just
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  Speaker 5: discussing your career, you know you have a very interesting,
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  Speaker 5: uh you know, backstory because you know, I've never had
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  Speaker 5: anyone on the show before that has that is actually.
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  Speaker 3: Legally blind and you're a filmmaker, and.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think that is so unique and so
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  Speaker 5: just incredible, and I think, you know a lot of
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  Speaker 5: people are interested to here, you know, how you actually
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  Speaker 5: your your process and how you work. So so just
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  Speaker 5: to get started, goff. You know, how when when did
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  Speaker 5: you get started actually you know, making films and making
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  Speaker 5: movies well, being.
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  Speaker 6: Out to Productions, which is my production company.
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  Speaker 7: I started that back in two thousand and six, so
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  Speaker 7: a long time ago now, And I first started, like
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  Speaker 7: I had a bunch of scripts that I had written,
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  Speaker 7: and I was sending them out to distributors, networks, production companies,
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  Speaker 7: private investors. I mean, I was sending out what to play.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't even imagine the places I was sending out
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  Speaker 7: the pictures and scripts. And it became clear to me
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  Speaker 7: that nobody wanted to pick up my work. And it
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  Speaker 7: was based purely on the fact that they knew I
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  Speaker 7: had a disability, and they're like, oh, he's blind. This
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  Speaker 7: is what the hell's this guy thinking. So you know,
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  Speaker 7: they weren't, they weren't actually you know, reading the work promptly.
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  Speaker 7: They were just you know, dismissing me out of hand.
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  Speaker 7: So in twenty ten, I thought, well, the best thing
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  Speaker 7: to do is to make a film myself, and I'll
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  Speaker 7: show them that I can actually do what I say
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  Speaker 7: I can do. So that's when I made my very
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  Speaker 7: first film, which was a ninety minute full length documentary
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  Speaker 7: all about disability and mental health called I Will Not
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  Speaker 7: Go Quietly. And so I did all of that myself.
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  Speaker 7: So I shot up my self. I've edited myself, I
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  Speaker 7: got the funds myself, you know, I bought my own equipment,
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  Speaker 7: I did the lot myself, and so I thought that
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  Speaker 7: would That's part of the narrative of the story of
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  Speaker 7: that particular documentary is is actually showing that, yes, I
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  Speaker 7: can actually do what I say I can do as
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  Speaker 7: well as obviously we interview twenty four experts like neurosurgeons
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  Speaker 7: and school teachers and psychologists and even comedians as well
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  Speaker 7: to get their take on disability and mental health issues
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  Speaker 7: and stuff like that. So after I did the documentary,
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  Speaker 7: then I thought, well, you know, I want to keep
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  Speaker 7: going with doing what I'm doing. And so yeah, I
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  Speaker 7: just started making my own, turning my scripts that I
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  Speaker 7: had that I was sending out. I thought, we'll just
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  Speaker 7: make them myself, and so I, yeah, I just funded
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  Speaker 7: them myself and started the gravy train, so to speak.
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  Speaker 5: So just to sort of take a step back, when
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  Speaker 5: you mentioned when you were, you know, getting rejected, and
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  Speaker 5: it was of saying, you know, what does this guy know? Well,
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  Speaker 5: you know what kind of scripts were you writing? Was
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  Speaker 5: it like a full was it full length scripts or
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  Speaker 5: was it like short film scripts?
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  Speaker 7: I had everything, man, I mean I've been writing ever
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  Speaker 7: since I was a little kid. So I had everything
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  Speaker 7: from TV series to short films to feature films, like
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  Speaker 7: things that were big budget and things that were tiny.
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  Speaker 7: And so I was sending out all different kinds of
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  Speaker 7: things to all different kinds of people, and yeah, just
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  Speaker 7: putting together some what I thought were really strong pictures.
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  Speaker 7: And yeah, like I said, just nobody wanted to know.
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  Speaker 7: So I figured, you know, I didn't want to give up.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I figured I spent all this time writing
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  Speaker 7: all this this great work. You know, I want people
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  Speaker 7: to enjoy it and be entertained by what I do.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, the best way to do it is
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  Speaker 7: to just do it myself. If they're not going to
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  Speaker 7: help me, then I'll just do it myself pretty much.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that DYI attitude to do yourself. I think
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  Speaker 5: that that you know, as we were, you know, in
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  Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, and that attitude is prevalent everywhere because you
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  Speaker 5: can make your own film now. You know, you can
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  Speaker 5: shoot it on a cell phone, as we've had Sean
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  Speaker 5: Baker who did Tangerine, he'd.
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  Speaker 3: Shut his film on a cell phone.
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  Speaker 5: You can distribute it yourself, with a Jason brubriger On
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  Speaker 5: talking about that. So you know, things have definitely changed
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  Speaker 5: goff where you can now do those types of things
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  Speaker 5: yourself and you could be almost a one man army,
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  Speaker 5: you know what I mean. You can go out and
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  Speaker 5: produce your material and say, you know what, I can
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  Speaker 5: do this stuff and you know I am going to
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  Speaker 5: do it.
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  Speaker 7: And here it is absolutely man. I couldn't agree more. Actually,
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  Speaker 7: there's a very famous Australian comedian, writer, producer directory done
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  Speaker 7: a bit of everything called a Ian mcfadgen who was
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  Speaker 7: huge in the nineteen eighties on Australian television and he
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  Speaker 7: now is a lecturer at university and I remember meeting
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  Speaker 7: him one day and he said to me, he said, Gos,
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  Speaker 7: it's never been easier to make because they were talking
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  Speaker 7: about TV. He said, it's never been easier to make
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  Speaker 7: a TV show, but it's never been harder to get
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  Speaker 7: it out. And he's absolutely right. I mean, the equipment
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  Speaker 7: prices have gone down, Like you say, you can even
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  Speaker 7: shoot stuff with a cell phone if you want to,
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  Speaker 7: so that I mean, so it's never been easier to
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  Speaker 7: make it and edit it and get it packaged and
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  Speaker 7: ready to go, But it's now so hard to get
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  Speaker 7: it out to the public because it's hard for you
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  Speaker 7: to promote your work and get the public to your
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  Speaker 7: particular website, you know, to your wherever you're housing your
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  Speaker 7: your gear. It's hard for them to for you to
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  Speaker 7: put your hand up in such a crowded marketplace and say,
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  Speaker 7: look at me, look at me. So it's never been
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  Speaker 7: easier to do it, but it's also never been harder
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  Speaker 7: to get your work out there for people to enjoy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the new war of eyeballs and ears.
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  Speaker 7: And you.
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  Speaker 5: See and you say, you know, how do I get
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  Speaker 5: people to see my stuff? How do I get people
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  Speaker 5: to listen to my stuff? How do I get people
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  Speaker 5: to read my stuff? You know, since content creation is
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  Speaker 5: increasing every every year, every month, week, every day.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you know, and there's so much stuff being
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  Speaker 5: you know, out there, and the barriers are are are
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  Speaker 5: gone and the sort of you know, the barrier's entry
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  Speaker 5: are gone, and now you know everyone has the Internet.
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  Speaker 3: Well, uh well for the time being here in America
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  Speaker 3: we all have the Internet.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if you I don't know if you
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  Speaker 5: know this, Golf, but the the they might end net
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  Speaker 5: neutrality here and I don't know how that's going to
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  Speaker 5: play in the content creation and all this stuff, but
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  Speaker 5: uh well we'll see about that. But so so, but
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  Speaker 5: just to sort of go backs talking about with with
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  Speaker 5: everyone being able to make stuff, it's it's the war
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  Speaker 5: of you know, how do you stand out from the pack? So,
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  Speaker 5: you know, and I do want to talk also about
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  Speaker 5: your documentary, but as one of this topic, you know,
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  Speaker 5: what are some of the things that you found Golf
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  Speaker 5: that that that are that enabled you to stand out
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  Speaker 5: and sort of you know, stand up from the pack.
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  Speaker 7: Well, with each project, I do, because I've done fourteen
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  Speaker 7: films now, so with each film, but I do I
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  Speaker 7: do a reasonably heavy marketing campaign. I've got a young
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  Speaker 7: lady called Amy on board who helps me with all
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  Speaker 7: my marketing stuff, and so we do social media stuff,
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  Speaker 7: but we also do a lot of old school marketing
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  Speaker 7: campaign so we contact the media, you know, send out
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  Speaker 7: your press releases to local media and international media and
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  Speaker 7: even like podcat like yourself, and yeah, just contact as
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  Speaker 7: many media outlets as we can and try and get
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  Speaker 7: some interview and some press that way as well as
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  Speaker 7: obviously the social media kind of kind of angle as well.
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  Speaker 7: So we sort of hit it in two ways, is
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  Speaker 7: how we go about it at the moment. So yeah,
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  Speaker 7: every time we do a film, we do a reasonably
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  Speaker 7: heavy kind of marketing campaign to go with each film.
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  Speaker 5: So is there any particular like social media channel or
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  Speaker 5: outlet that works best for you?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I have found Facebook and Instagram to be the
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  Speaker 7: two best, But I mean I've heard other people love
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  Speaker 7: Twitter and use Twitter a lot. I'm on Twitter. So
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  Speaker 7: if people jump on all of those platforms and type
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  Speaker 7: in be and uts productions, obviously I'll come straight up.
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  Speaker 7: And I obviously encourage people to life follow and share
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  Speaker 7: my social media pages. So yeah, just being nuts productions,
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, I've found Facebook probably to be the best
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  Speaker 7: in Instagram as well. But I mean I think it's
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  Speaker 7: a bit of horses for courses, you know, whatever you're doing.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, everybody's different in their genre, in their style,
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  Speaker 7: and their way they go about doing things. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: so yeah, it's a little bit that works for me,
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  Speaker 7: but what works for me probably won't work for another guy,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. So yeah, but I have
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  Speaker 7: found them to be helpful. But you need to do
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  Speaker 7: more than that. You know, you can't just put something
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  Speaker 7: up on YouTube or put something up on Facebook and
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  Speaker 7: expect to go insane. You know, you got to It's
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  Speaker 7: a full time job. Market is the first why I
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  Speaker 7: had to hire somebody, because it really is. It's a
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  Speaker 7: full time gig is marketing, and so you need you
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  Speaker 7: need that extra help to make sure that people can
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  Speaker 7: enjoy your work. Because at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 7: what's the point in making something if people aren't going
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  Speaker 7: to enjoy it. I mean, that's the whole point of
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  Speaker 7: doing this is so that you can entertain people and
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  Speaker 7: make people happy. I mean, that's why we all do
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  Speaker 7: what we do. So you know, it's important, but you
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  Speaker 7: get the work out there, so people can enjoy it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree completely, Guff. And you know it's in
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  Speaker 5: speaking of you know, all these social media channels and stuff.
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to ask because I haven't had a chance
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  Speaker 5: to really ask anyone this yet.
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  Speaker 3: So you're very close, well reasonably speaking to China.
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  Speaker 7: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: And in China, the number one social media app is Webo.
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  Speaker 5: Have you ever attempted to use like Webo for anything?
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  Speaker 5: And the reason I bring that up was just because
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  Speaker 5: you know, the country has you know, I think a
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  Speaker 5: couple hundred million people on there. I've always and I
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  Speaker 5: just as a marketer, you see to yourself, My god,
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  Speaker 5: a country that has on a couple hundred million people
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  Speaker 5: then and it's legit, you know. And and it just
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  Speaker 5: keeps rising as China keeps pulling more and more people
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  Speaker 5: towards the city from rural areas to maybe they could
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  Speaker 5: reach their full cap. But with so many people on that,
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  Speaker 5: have you ever attempted to try to use waibel?
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  Speaker 7: I haven't.
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Yeah, no, I wish I could give.
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  Speaker 7: You a really clever answer, but I can't. But no,
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  Speaker 7: it's no, I never have. It's not something that Amy
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  Speaker 7: and I have discussed, to be honest, with you, I
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  Speaker 7: think mainly because we mainly go for English speaking audiences
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  Speaker 7: for the simple reason is, you know, my films are
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  Speaker 7: mainly comedy base. Well pretty much all of my work
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  Speaker 7: is comedy base, and so you really need to have
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  Speaker 7: a fairly good grasp of the English language. So we
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  Speaker 7: mainly go for you know, your western sort of country,
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  Speaker 7: so to speak, so you had more English speaking audience.
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  Speaker 7: But I mean, it's something that we'd absolutely look into
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  Speaker 7: in the future, but uh yeah, for now, probably probably not,
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  Speaker 7: but it's you know, it's on that on the right.
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  Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I figured i'd ask.
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  Speaker 5: I mean just because I've never had seen anyone actually
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  Speaker 5: use it yet, and I was just interested, uh, you
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  Speaker 5: know obviously, you know, just because anything that's a couple
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  Speaker 5: hundred million users, you're kind of like, well, I guess
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  Speaker 5: I actually at least attempt to see what you wanted
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  Speaker 5: to see what this is about, you know, uh, and
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  Speaker 5: you being a lot closer to China than I am.
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  Speaker 5: And uh, but but you know, as we sort of good,
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  Speaker 5: I just want to take a step back. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I know we've we've kind of gone away to the
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  Speaker 5: marketing aspect of this, but you know, with all your
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  Speaker 5: writing and everything, and and you know, you grew up
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  Speaker 5: with this love of writing, and you started to write
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  Speaker 5: all these screenplays and short film scripts and you know, nobody,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like like you just said, nobody really took
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  Speaker 5: you seriously or nobody wanted to produce it, and you
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  Speaker 5: ended up making your own film, which ended up becoming
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  Speaker 5: I Will Not Go Quietly.
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  Speaker 3: And you know what was the impetus and.
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  Speaker 5: Where you finally said, you know, to yourself, I'm gonna shoot,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna prove them all wrong and I'm just going
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  Speaker 5: to shoot this movie myself and I'm just gonna I'm
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  Speaker 5: going to do it, and I'm just going to move
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  Speaker 5: forward with this.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah well yeah, well yeah, pretty much out of frustration,
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  Speaker 7: you know, people just not understanding. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 7: lot of ignorance in the world in regards to disability.
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  Speaker 7: But the good news is is that ignorance is a
• 16:26
  Speaker 7: curable disease. You know, all you need to do is
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: get yourself educated, which is pretty easy to do in
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: now day and age. So it came out through frustration
• 16:35
  Speaker 7: of people just not understanding, you know, my disability and
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: what I can and can't do. So I thought, well,
• 16:41
  Speaker 7: if I use my own story as a template, and
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: then like I say, get a range of experts to
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: talk with their knowledge on these subjects of disability and
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: mental health. Then yeah, I reckon I could make a
• 16:53
  Speaker 7: pretty good film. And sure, en up, I got myself
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: for my ninety minute feature out of it, which I'm
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: really really proud of. So yeah, like I said, that
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: was back in twenty ten, so a little while ago now,
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: But yeah, I I'm very happy with how it turned out.
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: But yeah, it was. It was all came about through
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: basic frustration really and just not being able to be heard,
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: I guess, really yeah.
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: And I think a lot of people have felt that way,
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: and also instills feel that way. You know, when I
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: and I read about different paths that we've all taken,
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: and not only guests on this podcast, but just hearing
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: people from Hollywood and hearing people in any film world
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: from all over the world, you know, you start to
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: see these different paths that people take. And there is
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: always a time when people sort of say, you know what,
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: there's no it seems like every door is closed. You
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: try to go this route and screwing and competitions and
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: that that door is closed you try to go to
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: this route and you try to get film financing and
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: then you know that door is closed because it always
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: becomes a catch twenty two right off where it's like.
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: But you gotta always find a way, man, Well you
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: know where a will there's a way. You've got to
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: figure out that that's what it's about, though, because you're
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: absolutely right. I mean, there's nothing more frustrating, and I'm
• 18:08
  Speaker 7: sure a lot of your listeners who are filmmakers would
• 18:11
  Speaker 7: absolutely agree with There's nothing more frustrating than knowing you're
• 18:15
  Speaker 7: sitting on a really terrific script, a really great idea,
• 18:19
  Speaker 7: and just people just aren't getting it for whatever reason.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: I mean maybe maybe your pitch isn't as good as
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: it should be, or maybe they're not reading it ry,
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: or they're not understanding a character, whatever the case may be.
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: But you know you're sitting on something great. So you
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: just need to figure out, well, how can I get
• 18:36
  Speaker 7: this now made? How can I get this out there?
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: You know what angle do I cake? Because I mean
• 18:41
  Speaker 7: that's the traditional way of making films. I mean, it
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: doesn't really work for everybody. So you've got to figure out, well,
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: how can I get this done? So for me, it was, well,
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: you know what, I'll fund it myself. You know, because
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: a documentary at the end of the day, a documentary
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: isn't that expensive to do, because I mean, once you
• 18:59
  Speaker 7: get the equipment do, all you have to do is
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: just organize the interviews that you want to do and
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: get the clips that you need to get and put
• 19:06
  Speaker 7: it together. I mean, it's not that different. I mean
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: there's no big stunts or special effects or anything like
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: that that you have to worry about. So a documentary
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: is a reasonably easy thing to do. And then of
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: course the money that you make from that then you
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: can put to which is what I did, put towards
• 19:21
  Speaker 7: your next project. And then the money you make from that,
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: you put towards your next project, and before you know it,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: you're churning them out, which is absolutely what you want
• 19:29
  Speaker 7: to do. So that's sort of how my business model
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: has been. So with every project that I release, I
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: get the money from that, I put it into the
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: next project and hopefully make it bigger and better, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: then you know, I can get more money and make
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: the next film bigger and better. And so that's that's
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: sort of how I go about it, because that things
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: to work for me.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's like what Walt Disney always said that,
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: you know, he always he only makes he only makes movies,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: so we can make more movies. And that's why, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: when the money would come and you take that and
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: you put.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: It towards your next project.
• 20:01
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• 20:07
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• 20:10
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, no, absolutely, I mean and like I love what
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: I do. I really do, so you know, I don't
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: want to I don't want to low all my money
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: on something something that isn't going to be helpful to me.
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: I mean, I want to keep I've got tons of
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: scripts still to make. You know, I've still got lots
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: of great ideas and still got lots of scripts that
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: I need to make. So I'm going to keep going.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: You know, I'm not going to stop. So yeah, when
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: people hit the website, the Benutsproductions dot com or c
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: you know, we've got five books, we've got seven audio downloads,
• 20:43
  Speaker 7: and we've got fourteen films for people to enjoy. And
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: so yeah, we're just going to keep on keep on
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: rocking them out as quickly as they possibly can.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And that's just to do.
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: You have to keep that momentum going. And that's something
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: I've found is that once you hit some even if
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: it no matter what it is, even if it's a
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: short film that's that's five ten seconds, or a podcast, whatever,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: you have to keep that momentum going. Because if there's
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: one thing I found, Garf, it's this confidence is a
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: very hard thing to attain and very easy to lose.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: But once you have that confidence and you can start
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: keeping momentum going, and it builds up. I mean, once
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: you have confidence, Garf, you feel like you can conquer
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: the world.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: Well that's very true, but it's also.
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: The confidence of others. So for example, when I first
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: did my first scripted projects and not the documentary, when
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: I did my first scripted film, like the talent agent,
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: so I go about making a film like anybody else does.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: So you know, I contact all the talent agents around
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: Brisbane and the Gold Coast and I give them a
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: brief of you know, let's say, for example, I need
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: a thirty year old guy and he's got to look
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: he's playing a bad guy, so he's got to have,
• 21:56
  Speaker 7: you know, an evil kind of look about him. He's
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: got to look a bit dark and shady. So I'll
• 22:00
  Speaker 7: send out my brief to the agents. They'll send me,
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: you know, back a whole heap of actors who have
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: got on their books who they think would suit. I
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: do auditions. I hire the best actors, so I do
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: it all how a profer film should be made. So
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: the very first time I did that, man, I struggled
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: so bad to get the agents to take me seriously.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: They're going, you're gonna make a short film by like
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: with what you know, You're going to fund it yourself,
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: and you've got a couple of crew members. I mean that,
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: you know, they didn't really take me seriously. But now
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: I'm onto my you know, I just finished my fourteenth film.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: Now they now have got confidence in me. You know,
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: they know that, you know, I am actually going to
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: pay their actors. They know that I'm not full of shit.
• 22:40
  Speaker 7: I do do what I say I'm gonna do, you
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. So it's also having the confidence
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: in and also the confidence from your audience to know that,
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: you know, they can hit the bea Uts Productions website
• 22:51
  Speaker 7: and they know that they're going to get a really entertaining,
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: funny film. So they're happy to come back time and
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: time again and keep clicking back. So you're absolutely right,
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: confidence as well, that goes up, but it's also the
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: confidence of people you work with and the confidence of
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: the general public as well to enjoy your work.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's uh, I know what you mean about the
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: confidence of others. And you mentioned by the way you're
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: putting everything together, and I wanted to actually ask about
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: that when you were actually making your documentary. Your documentary,
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: I will not go quietly, you know, how did you
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: put everything together?
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Since this was your first outing?
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: You know, I imagine you know, obviously you're you're you're
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: still building a network, you're still making contacts, you're still
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: looking for equipment. So how did you go about, you know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: getting everything together for your first project?
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah? Well when when that particular one? So I basically
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: pulled all my funds together that I had, so pretty
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: much all my savings, which probably isn't the greatest idea
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: in the world, but I thought, well, you know, I've
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: got to go for it. Because that's the other thing too,
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: just going back to your previous point, sometimes you just
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: got to take a risk, you know, you've got to
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: take a punt and just believe in yourself and believe
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: in your work. So I got all my funds together,
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I bought the equipment that I thought I would need,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: like just a regular sort of handicam tripod, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 7: a little raiding couple of radio mics, you know, just
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: basic standard equipment. I organized the interviews with the people.
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: I just went out. I shot them myself, so, you know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: just pretty much pointed the camera and hoped for the best,
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: because obviously framing's not going to be something I'm going
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: to be fantastic at. So I just, yeah, I shot
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: it myself. And then I actually, when I first finished
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: high school, my first job was working at a radio
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: station as an audio producer, making their commercials and their promos.
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: So I did that for about three years. So I've
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: had a lot of practice in editing audio. So when
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: it comes to editing a film, I do it like
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: I'm editing a radio commercial, in this case, a ninety
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: minute radio play. So I get the clips that I want,
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: I put them to one side, and then I just
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: put the clips together like a jigsaw puzzle, so just
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: making sure that they all make sense and they're all coherent,
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: so to speak, and put it together like that. So
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: I just edit by audio, and that still happened today.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: So I've got Simon, who's my right hand man now,
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: who I edit with, and so he makes sure that like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: for example, let's say somebody is getting exiting a car,
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: for example, so he'll make sure that the shot from
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: inside the car is going to marry up with the
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: shot outside of the car that is not, you know,
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: so it's nice and smooth, you know. So he makes
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: sure all that stuff is how it should be for me.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: But I pretty much tell him my cues as to
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: you know, when we're going from a if it's a conversation,
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: for example, if we're going from a long shot to
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: a close shot, I'll know in my mind the audio
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: the cue point that. So when the girl finished the speaking,
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: for example, I want to cut to the two shot
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: then and have them both on shots. So I know
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: all my cues by audio, So I'll say to Simon, right,
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: cut it there, two shot, and so he'll make it
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: all happen for me now. So I still edit by
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: audio even today.
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I wanted to ask too before I forget,
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: did you did you have a full time job while
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: you were making this film? No?
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: No, no go, Yeah, I I well, yeah, like I said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: I started in radio doing and then I also was
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: While I was working in radio, I was also touring
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: as a stand up comedian. So I've toured all over
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: the plate doing stand up comedy. And so when I
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: started up being up to productions, I was still doing
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: the stand up comedy. But then as obviously as the
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: films have sort of taken over the doing stand up comedy,
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: I don't really do that anymore, so I sort of
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: gave that away. So yeah, when I was doing I
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: Will Not Go Quietly the first film, I was doing
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: the occasional stand up gig. But yeah, no, that was
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: pretty much the end of stand up and working full
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: time on the production company.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: The reason I brought that up was because a lot
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: of filmmakers when they're making their first, you know, first movie,
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: they're either working a full time job, they're going to school,
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: they have a family, uh, you know, or a combination
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: of the three, and it's it's always like, how the
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: hell do you have.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: The time to do it? You know what I mean,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: do anything else?
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: So and then it's always at that point, you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: whether when you know you're you decided you've had enough,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: you're gonna make something of your own, and you're this
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: is going to be you.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Know, your shot.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: It's also about you know, you're at that point where
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: you have really nothing left to lose, so to speak,
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and you know, you know, we're just pulling yourself off
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: out of that and making those connections and finding the time,
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: and you don't have them.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: What you don't you get up early, you go to
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: bed late.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: You know, you call in every favor you can to
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: to make sure that this this movie is as good
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: as possible. Because I actually had on the guy Elliott
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: Grove who runs rain Dance, and he actually, uh was
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: was the person who helped Christopher Nolan make his first film.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: Following and Christopher Nolan made it on weekends and he
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: would come to his office and you know, borrow the
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: same equipment and he was done, you know, he you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: Christopher Noll went off and was making other movies at
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: that point, you know, and the rest is history. But
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: you know, that's why I'm always fascinated about people's first
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: films because it's always a very like David Lynch with Eraserhead.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: It took me years to finish that film, and you
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: know that's why I'm always interested about people's first films
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: because there's always a unique even a unique story within
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: the story.
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well well that's why I say, you know, yeah,
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: you just like you are absolutely correct. I mean it
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: came to a point where I was like, you know what,
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: I can't I can't keep getting rejected by people that
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: don't understand me and my work and whatnot. So you
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: know what, I just have to do this, I mean,
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: otherwise I'm going to be going around in circles like
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: on a racetrack like for the next ten, fifteen, twenty
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: thirty years. I mean there's guys that I used to
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: do stand up comedy with who were still working the
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: same rooms doing the saying jokes fifteen years later. I mean,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: like I said, I haven't done a stand up comedy
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: gig I Reckon in at least five, probably seven years.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: But I mean, these guys that I used to tour with,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: they're still doing the same stuff. You know that they're
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: they're in a rutso to speak. You know, they need to,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: and some of them are really funny, talented guys who
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: could actually really kick some goals if they just sort
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: of put their mind to focusing on what they really
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: want to achieve and what they want to do, you know.
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: So I suppose it's just comes down to a case
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: of having the confidence, like you said earlier, to back
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: yourself in and go, you know what, I can actually
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: do this. I want to do it, and you never Hey, look, Ben,
• 29:37
  Speaker 7: you've only got one life. You may as well give
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: it or you've got you've got to give it a shot,
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Guff.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: You know that by the way, You know, as you
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: were describing those comedians that you that you used to
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: work with, you know, that would make an interesting documentary
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: just following.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: Them around, would Yes? Absolutely?
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about that?
• 30:00
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• 30:06
  Speaker 4: and now back to the show.
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: Well, because the other thing too, I mean, I don't know.
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: I'm sure a few of your listeners probably a comedy
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: nerds or go and watch a lot of stand up
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: comedy or whatever. But behind the scenes, it's a very
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: caddy kind of backstabbing kind of industry because, especially in Australia,
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of comedians and not enough rooms, so
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: people are fighting for work, so there's a lot of
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: you know, like mean girls kind of you know, pretty
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: high school bullshit that goes on behind political nonsense that
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: goes on behind the scenes. You know, Like so it
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: would absolutely make if you were able to do it properly.
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: I mean, like really do a proper fly on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: wall and absolutely expose all the bullshit that goes on.
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: Because everybody thinks comedians are just happy, wonderful, hilarious, great people,
• 30:58
  Speaker 7: But that's I mean, just changing topics slightly. That's why
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: I think comedians make such fantastic actors. I mean, you
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: look at somebody like Robin Williams, you know, Billy Connolly
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: is another one. You know, comedians make great actors because
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: every night they go on stage and they play a character,
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: you know it. So what you're seeing on stage, they're
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: really funny and they're doing funny jokes, but that's not
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: who they are when they get off stage, they're a
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: completely different person. That's just their stage persona. So they're
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: acting you know, five sometimes even seven nights a week,
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: and so that's why I think that when it comes
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: to doing a serious role, a lot of comedians of
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: fantastic actors. I mean, I saw will Farrell I mean,
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: people wouldn't think of him as being a great actor,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: but I saw him in a film called Stranger Than Fiction,
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: which I think I was the only person who actually
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: saw that film. It was a really great film. But
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: he and he had to play a sort of a
• 31:52
  Speaker 7: Truman Show kind of a serious sort of a character,
• 31:55
  Speaker 7: and he was absolutely fantastic. He did a wonderful job.
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: You know, he was really great. I think that's why
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: comedians make great actors, is because they're acting every night.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: So going back to the original point, I think a
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: documentary like that would be really really fascinating because you'd
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: actually see what they're actually like when the camera, you know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 7: when when when they're not on stage, you know, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: you'd see all the the agents and the bullshit that
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: goes on back behind the scenes. You know. It's it's
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: like it's like politics, you know, it's it can be
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: a terrible industry. Really. Yeah.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: I actually had a Din Barris on here for episode
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: one hundred and he and I you know, discussed that briefly,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: but about because he was he actually works at the
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: comedy store.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: He actually closes there every night.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: And he know, man, yeah, he know.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just all about you know, all the different
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: comedians that have come come back through and their you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: over time. And on Mark Marin's podcast, he and and
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: Mark just discussed working with Sam the legendary comedian, and
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: they would say some of the stuff that he would
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: come out with and we and you know, just just
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: some of the stuff where it was it was so
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: petty over absolutely nothing, and it's like, you know, you know,
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: it a joke too similar, you know, did this guy
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: get a bigger laugh than me?
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: I go on before him because I'm a bigger star
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: than this guy. And it's you know, a lot of
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: the guys are just like, is it really like it?
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Does it all this really matter at the end?
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well well yeah, that's that. And that's why I reckon.
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: But I think it would be difficult to make that
• 33:31
  Speaker 7: documentary because I think it would be hard to get
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: that on camera. I think they would make sure that
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: you know, they were playing up for that. That's why
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: I don't I don't know that you'd be able to
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: do it for that exact reason. I think it would
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: be really hard to get them to actually, you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: show that side of themselves and show the cattiness and
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: the I kid coming. I mean, that's the phrase we
• 33:51
  Speaker 7: use on the stroke. But I mean, if you've seen
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: the movie Mean Girls, I mean, that's what it's like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: except to fully grown men who should know better, you
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. So yeah, but it would it
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: would be an interesting doco if you could actually do
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: it properly, it could be a really interesting doco.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: I had a friend of mine who made a documentary
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: and he nobody was really like wanting to speak their mind,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: so to speak, and he was really pissed off. He
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: was frustrated and he's like, it's not coming together. So
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: what he did was, by chance, he went to an
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: after party one night and he was like, I'll just
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: see what happens here. Well, some of the people got
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: a few beers in them, and suddenly they're they're going
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: up to him and they're just like, let me tell
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: you about this son of a bitch about it And
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: he's like, oh my guy, he goes, this is what
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: I wanted. Oh I needed was a couple of alcohol.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: I should have thought of that in the first place.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: Well, when I did, I will not go quietly.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: I purposely was very vague with everybody because, like I said,
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: I interviewed twenty four people, and I was purposely vague
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: on my emails as to what I was going to
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: ask them, because I mean a lot of people especially,
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: I mean, there was a few people that wouldn't speak
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: to me because, for example, in the disability sector in Australia,
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: the employment disability sector. I mean, one thing I found
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: out was seventy percent of all blind of vision impaired
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: people in Australia are unemployed. They can't get work because
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: no one will give them a go. It's disgrace. And
• 35:20
  Speaker 7: so a lot of people in the disability work sector
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: just would not talk to me because they know they're
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: not doing their jobs properly and they can't put these
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: people into work, and you know, it's just a complete
• 35:31
  Speaker 7: shambles of an organization. So I was deliberately vague. When
• 35:35
  Speaker 7: I would send out the emails, I was just you know,
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: I'd introduce myself, tell them who I was and what
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: I was, you know, I was making a documentary on
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: disability and mental health. But I wouldn't tell them any
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: more than that. You know. Some people said, oh, I
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: want to see the questions in advance, in which case
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: I'd send them some very loose questions. But I always
• 35:52
  Speaker 7: was deliberately vague, because if you give people a chance
• 35:55
  Speaker 7: to rehearse what they're going to say, it's not true,
• 35:58
  Speaker 7: you know, the they'll like, well but that weren't law
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: per se, but they'll put a positive spin to make
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: the situational themselves look as positive as possible. So I was, Yeah,
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: like I say, I was deliberately vague with the people
• 36:12
  Speaker 7: I was interviewing them so I would get more honest
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: answers and feedback for when I interviewed them.
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: And you know that that's actually ties into with a
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: question I really wanted to ask you Golf, and I'm
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: glad you actually brought it up. Is when you were
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: making you know, not only this documentary but everything else,
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: you know, with you know, you being legally blind, it is,
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: is there ever a time when you're watching like maybe
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: the field monitor or playback when.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: You're I mean, I'm generally interested.
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, is there ever a time when you have
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: where you actually you know, can't I don't you know
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: what I'm saying trying to say, like, can you ever
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: like have do you have trouble sometimes seeing playback or
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: or sometimes you know what I mean, like, or do
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: you do you have like a DP that you depend
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: on for that?
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, well a little bit of all of that.
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: So we're I can if I knows to monitor, I
• 37:04
  Speaker 7: can see what's going on pretty good. But when we're shooting,
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: because our budgets aren't big, we just got to shoot
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: and we've got to move on, so I don't have
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: a chance to actually see the footage until we begin editing,
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: and then I'll look through the footage then. So for example,
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: the very first scripted film I did, which was the
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: Heather Roses Interview, I hired a crew and the guy
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: who was on one of the cameras decided that my
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: direction wasn't up to his liking and he was shooting
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: all different things, and so I went insane because that
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: wasn't cool, man. I mean, that's not the right thing
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: to do at all. I mean, and there's no way
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: we could go back and reshoot it because we didn't
• 37:44
  Speaker 7: have the budget to do that. So obviously he only
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: lasted the one project and he was gone. So it
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: comes down to having a team around me that I
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: can trust and that I know that if I give
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: them a direction, they can follow it and it's also
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: about them under standing what I want to achieve. So
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: it's about me being able to communicate with my my
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: you know, my director of photography, you know, this is
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: what I want and this is why I want it,
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: and then he'll be like, Okay, I understand, I get it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: So you know, I can just then leave him alone
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: to do his job, because I'm a big believer in
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: that as well. Is you know, if you have a
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: great team of people around you, you don't have to
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: babysit them. You know, you can give them their direction
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: and they'll go and they'll do their job. And that
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: means that I can then spend more time with my
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: actors making sure that I get the performances that I
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: want because at the end of the day, man if
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: a performance from an actor isn't believable, then it doesn't
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: matter how good your sound is or your lighting is
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: there anything. Man, I mean, people are going to tune
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: out instantly if the actor's crap, then I mean there's
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: not much you can do without you know what I'm saying.
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: So I make sure I spend a lot of time,
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: you know, really working the script with my actors to
• 38:55
  Speaker 7: make sure they understand precisely exactly what I want, and
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: not being able to see I think actually helps because
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: I really focus on tones and inflections and things like that.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: So if they're getting a word wrong, I pick it
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: up immediately, so, you know, because I've spent a lifetime
• 39:10
  Speaker 7: having to listen to people, so you know, I really
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: really spend a lot of time with my actors with
• 39:15
  Speaker 7: rehearsing their lines to make sure they get them absolutely
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: spot on. And I, you know, like I say, with
• 39:21
  Speaker 7: the DP and I I just I give. I've got
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: a really good relationship with him now, so he knows
• 39:27
  Speaker 7: exactly how I like to shoot my work and what
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: I you know, my sort of style, and so he
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: sort of almost knows before I do kind of thing,
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: how I'm going to say I want this shot. He
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: sort of knows immediately now because we've done well, we've
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: done twelve films together now, so yeah, he knows how
• 39:45
  Speaker 7: I roll now. So it works really well. But it's
• 39:47
  Speaker 7: all about trust, you know. You've got to have a
• 39:49
  Speaker 7: crew that you can trust and actors that you can
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: trust as well, and the thing goes as well. So
• 39:54
  Speaker 7: when I'm directing my actors, I can't see their facial
• 39:57
  Speaker 7: expressions obviously.
• 40:00
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• 40:06
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• 40:08
  Speaker 7: So I'll say to Simon, you know, mate, how are
• 40:11
  Speaker 7: they are they giving me good face? And He'll say, yeah,
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: they're giving you good face. And so that's how I
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: know that I'm getting the facial expressions that I needed. Well,
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: we can move on to the next shot. So yeah,
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: a lot of trust goes into it. But you just
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: can't have I mean, we're unprofessional anyway, but you can't
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: have people going rogue on you and just doing their
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: own thing because it just makes a mess of the
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: whole production.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you touched on something that I'm a big
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: advocate of, which is if you're going to hire somebody,
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: let them do that job. You know, I've been on
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: sets before a golf where it's like people want to
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: directors or producers, they want to micromanage everybody to the
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: nth degree, and you sit there you go, well, didn't
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: you hire this person? I mean if they don't know
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: what to do, I mean, that's that's on you, you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: because you're you're you know what I mean. If you
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: hire the person and they don't know what they're doing,
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: that's your fault, you know, So just just let them
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: do their thing.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: But even when it comes down to things like costume
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: and makeup.
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: So I'm a boy, so you know I'm not you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: I don't know a lot about this stuff. So I'll
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: sit down with the makeup artists, for example, and she'll say,
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: you know, how do you want this girl to look?
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: And so I'll give a basic description of how I
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: wanted to look, and if she's got any questions, she'll
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: ask me. But basically it's okay, I get it all right, Well,
• 41:27
  Speaker 7: off you go and make her look like that. I mean,
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: you know, I mean I don't know about you know,
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: different shades for the eyeshadow and whatnot. I've told you
• 41:36
  Speaker 7: the general look of the girl, the character. So make
• 41:39
  Speaker 7: her look like that. That's your job. Off you go.
• 41:42
  Speaker 7: So that that's kind of how I work, and it's
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: important to do that because then, like I say, I
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: can focus on the things that I really need to
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: focus on, and if somebody does have an issue, they
• 41:52
  Speaker 7: can come to me and I've got time to help
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: them solve whatever problem that they might have.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, yeah, very true.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: And you know that's why you have to hire good
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: people as best as you can, you know, and that's
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: that goes back to networking.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And you know, I always tell people, even if you.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Can't afford to pay people, you know, work on their
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: movie for free, and then have them work on your
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: movie for free, just as you know, as sort of
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: a tip for tat if you can't afford to pay people,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: there's always a creative way to solve problems.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And you know, money is not always the answer.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: I mean sometimes it's you know, people always say it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the it's the number one answer, because you know, money's money.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: But if you if you do sort to meet new
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: people and say, hey, look, I have a small thing
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: to do, like a small short film or a small
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: web or a web series or whatever, you know, just
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: help each other out, you know, on that project, rather
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: than just try to, you know, constantly compensate people with cash.
• 42:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, well, well that's true. I mean it's like
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: I said earlier, and I trust is so important when
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: you're when you're working with people. So if you if
• 42:55
  Speaker 7: you have a good relationship with your cat and your crew.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's actors that I've worked with three or
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: four times in the film because I know that they'll
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: always do a good job for me. They're a quality actor.
• 43:05
  Speaker 7: So if I've got a film coming up and i've
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: got a particularly I don't necessarily right for actors, but
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: if I've got a film that's coming up and I think,
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: you know, so and so would be really good for
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: that role, I'll call him up straight away and say, hey, buddy, man,
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: I've got a job for you. Do you want it?
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: And then you know, we go from there. So it's
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: I'm a big believer in that in loyalty. You know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: if people it's silly to go out and hire somebody
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: new when you've got somebody who like I mean, Simon,
• 43:32
  Speaker 7: he's been working with me now for the best part
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: of five years, and I'm not gonna fack the guy
• 43:37
  Speaker 7: anytime soon because he does a fantastic job for me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: So I mean it's important as well to make sure
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: that once you find good people, you do whatever you
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: can to get him to stick around, you know what
• 43:48
  Speaker 7: I mean.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, you got to keep that team going.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: And that's why, you know, I always see directors working
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: with the same people over and over again. It's because
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: they've built that team and they sort.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Of work well together.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: And you know, as you made your film I Want
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: to Go Quietly, which by the way, is free on
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: your website.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's really really cool, by the way.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: And you know, you started to make some other films,
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: you know, other projects, other short films, so you know,
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: did you know.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: What was what was sort of that that journey?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: You know obviously you know, just making these other films,
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I mean, did you start to get more and more
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: of a budget or do you always try to keep
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: the same sort of style and same budget moving forward?
• 44:29
  Speaker 7: Oh? No, No, try and try and get as big
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: a budget as I possibly can, you know, so it
• 44:33
  Speaker 7: gives me a little bit more breathing space, so I
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: can maybe hire an extra crew member or if I
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: need a few other extras or whatever I could, I
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: can do that. So you know, I always try and
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: get as big a budgets as I can. But like
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: I say, it always depends on the sales of the
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: last film. So that's why obviously I encourage people to
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: hit up being auto productions dot Com and they'll see
• 44:53
  Speaker 7: all the films and whatnot up there, and they can
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: download whatever they want to and they're safe in the
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: knowledge that while they're getting entertained by that particular film,
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: that that that purchase of download is going towards making
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: my next film to entertain them. So again, everybody wins,
• 45:09
  Speaker 7: you know. So yeah, I try and try and scrape
• 45:12
  Speaker 7: together as much in the way of funds as I
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: possibly can. So yeah, because it does help, Let's be honest,
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: I mean it really does help. You know. The more
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: money you have, the better you can do things, the
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: more relaxed things can be. So so yeah, no, I
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: do try and do try and raise as much as
• 45:28
  Speaker 7: I can. But like I say, it all depends on sales.
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: So you know, just as we talked again about you know,
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: your project in sales, You're sorry your project and sales.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: You know what what has been the most challenging aspect
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: of all this has it? Has it ever been? You know,
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: getting a location? Has something ever fallen through that was
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: a guarantee?
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: What was one of the biggest challenges that you that
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: you faced, Garfin and how did you overcome that?
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: Well? The films are reasonably straightforward. I mean, like I say,
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: I've got a good experience in this industry, so you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: and I'm not one to jump up and down and panic,
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: So if something for locate, like for a film that
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: we're doing currently at the moment, we've had a bit
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: of trouble finding a specific location, but that's okay. I'll
• 46:13
  Speaker 7: just keep going until I find someone who wants to
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: play nice and let us film it their location. But
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: so so it's more about the marketing side of things.
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: That's what I've really found a struggle. Going back to
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: one of the things we discussed earlier in the in
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: the chat was marketing, and that's the number one thing
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: that we constantly are fighting. And that's why, like I said,
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: I had to employ somebody full time for that because
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: it was just trying to constantly market and then make
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: the films as well. Was just it was getting too much.
• 46:42
  Speaker 7: So and a plus, I needed somebody with more specific
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: skills because that's not my skill set, isn't marketing. That's
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: another important thing as well, when I think with filmmaking
• 46:52
  Speaker 7: is you've got to know what you're good at. So
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: I mean when it comes to the writing and directing
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: that I can do and producing, I can do all that,
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: but when it comes so I mean, I'm no good
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: with the artwork because I can't see. So I get
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: someone in to do that. And same with marketing. I
• 47:06
  Speaker 7: mean I tried the best I could, but in the end,
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: I just I knew I had to find somebody else,
• 47:11
  Speaker 7: someone with more experience and knowledge in that area. So
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: that's where Amy came in, and she's taken it through
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: the roof for me, which has been fantastic. But yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: as far as the films themselves go, well, I just
• 47:25
  Speaker 7: I just do what I do, man. I mean, like
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: I said, I do it all like a normal film
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: would get made. You know. I get the locations I need,
• 47:32
  Speaker 7: I get the actors I need. If I need any
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: specific crew members, I just search around till I find
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: the right people and I just keep going. We just Yes,
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: there hasn't been any any real big challenges in that regard.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Like I say, it's all about marketing. That's the number
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: one thing that as always, ever since day one, has
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: been the number one challenge has been getting the work
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: out there to the people.
• 47:56
  Speaker 5: And so now that you have all this together, you
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: have that you have the website, and you have all
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: your all of your projects all in one spot. You know,
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: have you noticed have you noticed a sort of a
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: steady increase of views as you sort of get out
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: there more and more if you were discovering you and
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: your story. Have you noticed that or is it something
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: or are you trying to sort of you know, are
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: you still sort of looking for that that silver bullet
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: if you know what I mean?
• 48:24
  Speaker 7: Oh no, no, it is. It is steadily increasing. I
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: mean I'd always like it to increase more, obviously, you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: but it is. It is steadily slowly but surely growing,
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: you know, which is fantastic. I mean so, and that's
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: why I'm so grateful to people like yourself for having
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: me on the podcasts and letting me, you know, talk
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: about being nuts productions and what I do so that
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: people can have a chance to enjoy my work. And
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: so that's why I, like I say, I'm very grateful
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: for your time and for the podcast. You know, it
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: helped out people like me tremendously to share their work.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: So yeah, but it's steadily rising, but yeah, hopefully hopefully
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: keeps growing and growing and growing, because that's like I
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: said in the beginning, Man, I mean, there's seven billion
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: people on this earth, and I'm not going to be
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: happy until all seven billion have watched one of my films.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: So that's the goal. You know, so it'll never be
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: big enough.
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly it, my friend, You've hit the nail
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: on the head.
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: That's what I've I have that I always said to
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: myself too. I'm always like, there's seven billion people on
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: this planet, and by what two thousand and thirty or
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: twenty and fifty, there's going to be like I think
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: it's going to be up to like ten billion because
• 49:36
  Speaker 5: of the additions of all the dishes of China and India,
• 49:40
  Speaker 5: their populations keep rapidly expanding, especially India, and you know Indi,
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: you know, India is going to be the most populated
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: country in the world soon.
• 49:48
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• 50:00
  Speaker 7: Bill. Well, I mean and they just their film industry,
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: the Bollywood film industry. I mean, that is that is mass.
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: I think I could be way wrong, but I think
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: I heard somewhere I was watching a documentary on it,
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: and I'm pretty sure they said it's the second biggest
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: grossing product for India is Bollywood. Their film industry earned
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: the second you know, amount of money for that particular
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: country's income comes from Bollywood film which is just daggering.
• 50:28
  Speaker 7: It's mind blowing. So, you know, the film industry in
• 50:31
  Speaker 7: India is a huge, huge, huge thing.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I did hear that as well.
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: And because they've they produced so many different movies, you know,
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: a month, I mean there's.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: They turn them out like butter Yeah.
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, seriously, there's always another hit Bollywood movie coming out.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: It's you know, and then then.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Some of them, the rare, the rare top couple find
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: their way over here to the USA and they sort
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: of they play in certain areas which which you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: which some of them you know, are fantastic, and then
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: other ones. I you know, I try to watch films
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: from all over and I'm not a big musical guy,
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: so sometimes when they break out the song and dance,
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: it's just not my jam, you know.
• 51:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah. No, they do have a very unique style. I mean,
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that that or it's screwed or anything
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: like that. I'm just saying, you know, they've got their
• 51:30
  Speaker 7: own way in style of making film in Bollywood. You know,
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: it's very bright, it's very in your face. It's very yeah,
• 51:37
  Speaker 7: song and dance and then a fight scene or break out.
• 51:40
  Speaker 7: It's a it's a bit of a Yeah, it's just
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: all sort of action going on twenty four to seven.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: It's a very different style to to how how the
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: Western side of the world makes film, no doubt about that.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah and yeah, but you know, there are some of
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: the really cool ones out there, and that's a whole
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: nother story for the time. You know, GoF We've been
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: talking for about, you know, fifty minutes now, So just you're.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: Just in closing.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Is there anything you wanted to say to sort of
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: put a period at the end of this whole conversation.
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: Well, well, just my latest film is The Environment The
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: Real Truth, which is a mockumentary about the environment. So
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: I'm in a bit of a mockumentary kind of a mood.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: I've made one about drugs, and I've made one about
• 52:23
  Speaker 7: the porn industry, and now I did one about the environment.
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: The next one that I'm going to do is about
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: the fitness industry. So I'm in a bit of a
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: mockumentary kind of a feel. At the moment I sort
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: of get into a mood of a style of filmmaking
• 52:35
  Speaker 7: and then I sort of just ran that into the
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: grounds kind of thing. So yeah, the last film was
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: The Environment. The real truth. So where I interview you know,
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: fake scientists and conservationists, like a thieve Irwin kind of
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: a conservation guy. And then I've got a park ranger
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: and like I say, a few different scientists as well.
• 52:55
  Speaker 7: So it was a lot of fun. So go through
• 52:57
  Speaker 7: about twenty five minutes and yeah, people can download that
• 53:01
  Speaker 7: particular film and all the films, all the film, audio
• 53:04
  Speaker 7: products and books are all available at just Beernutsproductions dot com.
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: So people can drink a beer, eat the nuts, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 7: enjoy my work. That's what it's all about.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a really cool name.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: By the way, I was actually going to mention that
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: beer Nuts. I was like, you know, it's like, yeah,
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: like beer nuts, I serve at a bar, you grab
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: a so obviously you know before I would be verbos.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: If I didn't actually mention this.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Go.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: They don't really drink Fosters in Australia, right, No, no.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: No, we sell that to the idiots overseas.
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: We've drunk good beer over here.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: So what is your beer of choice?
• 53:41
  Speaker 7: Well, in Australia, the number one beer over here is
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: Carlton Draft. It's a yeah, that's our number one beer
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: over here. But We're big beer drinkers in Australia, man,
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: I mean there are literally hundreds and hundreds of the Actually,
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: it's kind of funny. The last film that we did,
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: The Environment, The Real Truth, we had to film the
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: in a brewery, and so there's quite a few around
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: the Gold Coast where I live, and so I contacted
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: one and they're like, yeah, man, come in film. That's fine.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: I say, you're sure, I mean work play tells and
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: safety or you know you're processing like food kind of products.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, are we cool to He said, yeah, just
• 54:16
  Speaker 7: come into what you want to do. They were the
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: most easy going people I've ever worked with ever. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 7: we've rocked up to film the scene that we need
• 54:25
  Speaker 7: to do and I'm like, well, is there any places
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: you don't want us to go or is there anything
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: that we need to know or He's like, na, man,
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: just wherever you want to go. It's all sweep, all fine, okay, great,
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: And then he gave us a couple of beers before
• 54:37
  Speaker 7: we left it. It was delicious. Were yeah, I need
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: to everybody saying to me now, like all my crew
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: are saying to me, you have to write something else
• 54:46
  Speaker 7: about it being in a brewery so we can go back.
• 54:48
  Speaker 7: So yeah, but it's nice when you have people like
• 54:51
  Speaker 7: that that, you know, I just want a nice and
• 54:54
  Speaker 7: cooperative and easy going and just want to help out.
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: So yeah, but yeah, that was for the last film
• 55:00
  Speaker 7: we were in. The bolt Of Brewing Company helped us
• 55:02
  Speaker 7: out a lot with the location.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: You know, I should mention them in the show notes.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: That was actually really really cool of them. So if
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: you shoot me their name, GoF, I'll make sure to
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: mention them in the show notes.
• 55:15
  Speaker 7: Well, actually, I don't know for your listeners who might
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: be big fans of surfing, the sport of surfing. Three
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: Australian surfers, Mick Fanning, the guy that punched a shark
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: in the face a few years ago in South Africa
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: that made the news all over the world. But sir
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: Nick Fanning, who's a number one surfer, Joel Parkinson and
• 55:34
  Speaker 7: oh man, I've forgot the other guy. Those three lads
• 55:37
  Speaker 7: they just wanted with their spare cash. They were like, oh,
• 55:39
  Speaker 7: what shall we do, We'll open a brewery. So that's
• 55:42
  Speaker 7: what they did, and like a year later it's just
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: kicking goals and going from strength to strength. So it's
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: actually their brewery is where we filmed, and because there's
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: a big surfing culture here on the Gold Coast where
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: I live, because I've sort of on the Florida of
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: Australia is where I live, so there's big waves just
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: outside my front door pretty much. So Mick Fanning and
• 56:02
  Speaker 7: Joel Parkinson and that they come from where I'm at.
• 56:04
  Speaker 7: So yeah, they decided to start a brewery and good
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: for me because we end up filming there. So yeah,
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: it's it's worked out well for everybody. So yeah, it's
• 56:15
  Speaker 7: it's funny how things work out like that.
• 56:17
  Speaker 6: But yeah, really cool.
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: You know, some a surfer punching a shark. That might
• 56:22
  Speaker 5: be the most Australian thing I've heard of ever.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: That's show.
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if people haven't seen it, I mean it was
• 56:30
  Speaker 7: on the news. It happened about a year ago. If
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: you just jump on YouTube and type Mick Fanning part
• 56:35
  Speaker 7: of shark punch or something like that. It happened in
• 56:38
  Speaker 7: a competition in South Africa and Jbay and yeah he
• 56:42
  Speaker 7: was Julian Wilson was the other surfer in the water,
• 56:45
  Speaker 7: and yeah, it's it's really remarkable footage and the I
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: mean it's funny now because everything was okay. But the
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: part that makes me laugh the most is the commentator
• 56:54
  Speaker 7: who's commentating the action his reaction because he's like, holy shit,
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: it's like it was, it was very He's freaking out
• 57:02
  Speaker 7: because you know, the wade goes over just as this
• 57:05
  Speaker 7: shots coming at Mick Fanning and they're like, has he
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: gone under? What's really? You know, it's actually but the
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: commentator's reaction is actually very, very funny. So yeah, people
• 57:13
  Speaker 7: could just jump on YouTube and watch that. It's a
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: it's a funny clip.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I will make sure to look for that and
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: put that in the show notes. But but that definitely
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: I I now, every time I think of Australia, I'm
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: just gonna think of that. Even though it didn't happen
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: in Australia, happened in South Africa, but still it's a
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: it's an Australian thing to happen. I I remember there
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: was this this this video I saw one time. This uh,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: this kangaroo actually had this guy's dog and it was
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: holding them and and this guy wanted to save his dogs.
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: We leapt over this fence and he punched the kangaroo
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: straight in the face and the kangaroo. The kangaroo fell
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: back on its tail and then just stood back upright,
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: and the guy just ran off because the kangaroo, I.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Mean, you've seen kangaroos. They can take a punch, so it's.
• 57:56
  Speaker 7: Like they're like that big foot tall. I mean, you
• 57:58
  Speaker 7: don't fuck with a kangaroo. But they're vicious animals. I
• 58:01
  Speaker 7: mean people think there's like koala's. I mean koalas are
• 58:04
  Speaker 7: actually quite I mean they clause, they call on trees
• 58:07
  Speaker 7: and so they closed like a rip your throat out.
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: So I mean you don't you don't fuck with the
• 58:11
  Speaker 7: Australian wildlote man. That's just that's just the no goes on.
• 58:14
  Speaker 7: So yeah, but I have seen that clip with the kangaroo.
• 58:17
  Speaker 7: It's very funny.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I've seen some of those kangaroos and their
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: tail they can move it so it's kind of like
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: they never actually fall down. They're always uh oh GoF.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: It has been a hell of a time talking to
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: you man, and I'm glad we could actually connect again
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: because you have a unique story as is there you
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: know again, everyone has a journey in the in this
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: uh in the filmmaking world, making content, making media, whatever,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: that might be and it's cool. I'm glad we could
• 58:46
  Speaker 5: connect and everybody. Everything Goff and I talked about will
• 58:49
  Speaker 5: be in the show notes. Goff, I want to wish
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: you the best, buddy, and I will talk to you
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: very soon.
• 58:54
  Speaker 7: Thanks very much for having me on.
• 58:56
  Speaker 6: I really appreciate you time Dive.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: I want to thank Dave so so much for doing
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: such a great job on this episode. If you want
• 59:02
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• 59:18
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• 59:20
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• 59:23
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