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Countdown to Draft: Understanding the Board | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. J Z Shadwick with
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Speaker 1: John Oser from the Hymn Day Studios at the Miller
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Speaker 1: Electric Center in Jacksonville. Bucky Brooks joining us from Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: As we continue in this offseason, it is eight four third.
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Speaker 1: The offseason program is coming up quickly. The draft is
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Speaker 1: just over three weeks away, and there's a lot to
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Speaker 1: get to. The Jackson made another extension on defense. We'll
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Speaker 1: get to that coming up. But Bucky, it's good to
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Speaker 1: talk with you again, of course this week. Since we
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Speaker 1: talked last week, though, something happened between our alma maters
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't good for yours.
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Speaker 2: What happened I don't know this baseball season. So what
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Speaker 2: happened the Carolina player, Alabama and baseball?
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Speaker 3: No No.
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Speaker 2: I saw the Diamond Hills last last weekends. I saw
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Speaker 2: them play Take a Way forwarth. I didn't see the
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Speaker 2: Christians yet, So did I miss something?
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Speaker 1: You must have missed the Sweet sixteen game, because you
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Speaker 1: know I'm not a bit honestly, it's only the only
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Speaker 1: two Alabama basketball games I watched all year were the
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Speaker 1: last two.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, it's always nice when the
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Speaker 4: guy who just learned that they have the sport at
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Speaker 4: the school ways in tournament.
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Speaker 2: So what I've learned is I should never go to
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Speaker 2: an Alabama Carolina basketball game in person, because during my lifetime,
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Speaker 2: the Tar heroes are winless against Alabama. I saw them
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Speaker 2: when I was in school take on Alabama when they
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Speaker 2: had David Benoit.
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Speaker 5: The Trails free wheel Robert Or they played him in the.
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Speaker 2: Dean Dome and Alabama ran them out the Dean Dome.
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Speaker 2: And then I saw them in the Sweet sixteen. Took
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Speaker 2: my daughter to go see the game because we were like, oh,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 5: Let's go see what they look like. They're right here
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Speaker 5: in LA.
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't. It wasn't what we wanted.
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Speaker 1: So I didn't knowize you were actually at the game.
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Speaker 5: Wow, oh oh, I was.
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Speaker 3: I was in the building.
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Speaker 5: I was in the building heartbroken and crushed.
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Speaker 4: It's like I emailed Bucky this weekend. Everybody's playing for
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Speaker 4: second place this year.
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Speaker 2: I never know, Yeah, because you do, because I've seen
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Speaker 2: this movie before, and I've seen this NC State movie
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Speaker 2: happen to me when I was a kid nineteen eighty three,
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Speaker 2: where they shouldn't be and yet they still are, and
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Speaker 2: you look up and they cut down the nets with
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Speaker 2: Lorenzo Charles dunking it in, so you never know it's
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Speaker 2: a tournament.
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Speaker 1: I've never seen a team going a thirty zero run.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I get it.
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Speaker 4: And that Houston team, I mean it's a little similar.
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Speaker 4: Remember Houston Louisville that year, Bucky Yeah, where it was.
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Speaker 4: It was one of the great at the time running
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Speaker 4: dunk games and they sort of looked unbeatable.
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Speaker 6: I know we're talking as a football podcast, but.
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Speaker 4: Yukon plays so well together and they're I mean they
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Speaker 4: look like a lot of the teams that people thought
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Speaker 4: were going to be dynasties.
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Speaker 6: You wanted them to look. Well, this team could. I mean,
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Speaker 6: this team plays together and you know they sort of play.
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Speaker 4: To me, they reminded me remember the San Antonio team
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Speaker 4: rolled Miami out of the uh yeah, seven or eight
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Speaker 4: years ago and he just played so well together. This
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Speaker 4: seems like a college version of that team. I couldn't
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Speaker 4: tell you Yukon player. I don't follow it that much,
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Speaker 4: but boy, they're pretty to watch.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: No, it's a great team.
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Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that everyone can.
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Speaker 5: Agree upon is everybody tunes in for March mad. It's
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Speaker 5: whether you're a.
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Speaker 3: Casual fan or big time fan. You have your.
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Speaker 2: NFL players in the locker room talking about like what's
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Speaker 2: going on. It's a great tournament to watch because you
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Speaker 2: talk about just the team game and what we're seeing. Look,
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Speaker 2: it's fascinating. We'll see if you kind of can get
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Speaker 2: it done. Look, there's been a great tournament so far.
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Speaker 6: It's a great crypt is a great clip from Larry David.
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Speaker 6: I just saw, Yeah, how am I supposed to follow Drake?
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Speaker 6: It's so true.
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Speaker 4: Everybody, all of a sudden in March, I'm sitting here
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Speaker 4: talking about, well, they compare it to a great I mean,
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Speaker 4: what am I talking about?
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Speaker 1: Who all knows all this stuff? It's amazing. It's Suddle Podcast.
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Speaker 1: Let's get to Jaguar news. Late last week linebacker for you,
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Speaker 1: Lucan signing an extension three years reported twenty two and
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Speaker 1: a half million dollars guaranteed. The extension, lowering his cap number.
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Speaker 1: He led the NFL and tackles, of course, in twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty one with the Falcons and twenty two with the Jags.
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Speaker 1: Finished fourth in the league last year in total tackles.
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Speaker 1: So what do you think, Bucky I mean a guy
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Speaker 1: who has been productive, the guy who was a free
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Speaker 1: agent addition here a couple of years ago signing an extension.
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Speaker 1: This seems positive, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I think it's really positive. And what I would say
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Speaker 5: is if you look at.
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Speaker 2: The guys that have been signed, the Jaguars are clearly
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Speaker 2: jumped in on high.
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Speaker 3: Character guys, guys that are.
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Speaker 2: Professionals, guys that can get it done. And so with
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Speaker 2: the luaka on coming back, the extension is rewarding him
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Speaker 2: not only for the production on the field, but the
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Speaker 2: leader that he's become off the field. When you're around
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Speaker 2: this team, Look, man, that's the unquestioned leader of that
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Speaker 2: defensive unit verbally in terms of like make sure he
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Speaker 2: inspires the team, but also the way that he goes
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Speaker 2: about his business. So you want to reward those players
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Speaker 2: as you're beginning to form and kind of establish a
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Speaker 2: nucleus that's going to be here for the long.
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Speaker 3: All four year Luakan is one of the kind of guys.
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Speaker 2: That you certainly want in the building.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I get for a.
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Speaker 4: Lot of credit, you don't often, or you don't always
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Speaker 4: sign your free agent signings to a veteran contract to
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Speaker 4: a next contract because they're usually a couple of years
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Speaker 4: in and out the door, so it's hard to not
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Speaker 4: be in that rotation.
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Speaker 6: If you will.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the other side of the argument is, you know,
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Speaker 4: could they could they have drafted and brought the cycle through,
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Speaker 4: meaning you know, you usually want to sign free agents
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Speaker 4: and then draft their replacements and have them move on. Uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, I'm not sure that happened with the MoMA
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Speaker 4: of Ventrel Miller, Devin Lloyd. I think there were some
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Speaker 4: you know, hasn't quite fulfilled the draft expectations there.
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Speaker 6: So you need to keep Foyer.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that's ideal, but that happens at times
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Speaker 4: when you're trying to maintain and build.
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Speaker 6: You don't always draft perfectly. But in Foyer, just.
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Speaker 4: In talking about Foyer, credit to him for being a
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Speaker 4: guy that you want to resign. That's not always the
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Speaker 4: case with free agents, Bucky, No.
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Speaker 2: It's not always the case, and so I think in
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Speaker 2: his case, he's done a really good job of established
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Speaker 2: himself as a standout player in the defensive scheme that
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Speaker 2: they played previously.
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Speaker 5: He's been a great player in the locker room.
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Speaker 2: In terms of making sure that he holds people accountable.
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Speaker 2: He does things the right way. We've alluded to Doug
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Speaker 2: Peterson not liking the way the team finished, not understanding
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Speaker 2: the urgency that they needed to get it done. Well.
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Speaker 2: One thing we could never question Poyer. Little kh always
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Speaker 2: plays with the urgency. He always brings the energy and
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Speaker 2: the intensity.
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Speaker 5: You want to make sure that you continue to fill
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Speaker 5: the locker room with those kinds of players.
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Speaker 2: And one of the ways you can do it is resound
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Speaker 2: a player who has those traits and then make sure
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Speaker 2: you surrounded with other guys who have those trades, so
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Speaker 2: now you can bring up the best in each other.
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Speaker 1: So Idle Up Podcast, jap Shatter, John Osher and Bucky
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Speaker 1: Brooks in the division. And this came out on Wednesday
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Speaker 1: that the Houston Texans had made a trade for wide
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Speaker 1: receiver Stefan Diggs. He is headed to Houston from Buffalo
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Speaker 1: a second round pick, I believe going the other way
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Speaker 1: to Buffalo. But it just adds now to an offense
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Speaker 1: in Houston that was really good in big moments last year,
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Speaker 1: obviously down the stretch with a young quarterback and the receivers,
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Speaker 1: and now you just add Digs to that mix. So
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Speaker 1: the question, Bucky for you is with that addition, does
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Speaker 1: that change any strategy for the Jaguars come draft time?
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Speaker 1: Considering all these receivers and things that are piling up
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Speaker 1: in the division. Now, does this change anything what the
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Speaker 1: Texans did on Wednesday?
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Speaker 2: I won't have a direct impact on how the Jaguars
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Speaker 2: gorbelt doing their business own draft day, but it certainly
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Speaker 2: impacts how you want to build your team. You have
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Speaker 2: to build your team to win the division. So as
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Speaker 2: you look around the division and you look at.
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Speaker 3: The Houston Texans and what they've.
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Speaker 2: Assembled on the perimeter, go with CJ. Stroud, You got
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Speaker 2: to make sure that you have a lineup, a defensive
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Speaker 2: lineup that can match up with that. You think about
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Speaker 2: what the Tennessee Titans have done and taking Calvin Ridley
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Speaker 2: from the Jaguars, adding them and putting them alongside DeAndre Hawkins,
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Speaker 2: and what they will continue to add in the draft.
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Speaker 2: You got to make sure that you have enough dbs
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Speaker 2: to deal with that. And even the Indianapolis Coast and
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Speaker 2: what they want to do with Anthony Richardson. They resigned
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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, they have some young pieces, Joshtowns and some others. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: I just think it makes it imperative that you have
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Speaker 2: I would say over six dbs that can play and cover.
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Speaker 5: And if this is going to be a team that
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Speaker 5: morphs into a more of a.
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Speaker 2: Man demand team, I do think you have to get
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Speaker 2: multiple corners in the draft that can play that style.
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Speaker 2: You can't just depend on free agencies and late free
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Speaker 2: agent pickups meaning guys that assigned later in the sum
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Speaker 2: to come and play. You're gonna have to get some
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Speaker 2: young guys that can kind of get in the mix
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Speaker 2: and play and play at a high level right away.
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Speaker 4: First, I think they need corners, so I'm all in
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Speaker 4: with you. Second, Bucky, I am much more of a guy,
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Speaker 4: and I get what you're saying. You got to pay
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Speaker 4: attention to the division. But why not build your team
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Speaker 4: to be the team the other teams want to beat
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Speaker 4: in the division?
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Speaker 2: You follow me, I mean I I think what we're
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Speaker 2: doing is we're really talking about semantics. I think this
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Speaker 2: goes all the way back to and you know, because
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Speaker 2: you were around Bill Polling during your time in Innianapolis.
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Speaker 2: I came into the league plan for the Buffalo Bills,
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Speaker 2: and the one thing that they talked about before they
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Speaker 2: ever talked about the playoffs, you got to win your division.
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Speaker 5: The team has to be built to.
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Speaker 2: Win the division because that guarantees you a ticket into
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Speaker 2: the postseason. If you're the Jaguars, you have to look
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Speaker 2: around and assess, Hey, this is what these teams have.
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Speaker 5: We're going to face each of these teams two times
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Speaker 5: a year.
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Speaker 2: For us to win, we have to make sure that
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Speaker 2: we have lineups that can match up with the teams
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Speaker 2: that we're facing, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, more than the other team in the league.
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Speaker 5: And so this is about.
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Speaker 3: Being aware, Okay, we need to make.
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Speaker 5: Sure that we have corners that can play, that can cover.
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Speaker 2: So it's not only assessing your team like based on
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Speaker 2: what the new coaches are doing, but also.
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Speaker 5: Being able to look to the right and to the.
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Speaker 2: Left and say, we need to make sure that we
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Speaker 2: have enough people that can match up with eleven personnel groups.
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Speaker 4: I know we're we're gonna talk about the draft a
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Speaker 4: little later. I think it was you said maybe to
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Speaker 4: me last week, Bucky, you could see this team taking
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Speaker 4: two corners in the first four rounds. I'm kind of
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Speaker 4: with you. I just wonder if it's not going to
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Speaker 4: be a really corner heavy draft, come back and get
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Speaker 4: a receiver in the second round that to me, seems
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Speaker 4: like the formula. I'd almost be surprised at this point
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Speaker 4: if it doesn't follow it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think I think we we got to
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Speaker 2: get to that point where we're thinking about that. And
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Speaker 2: I know we have got young guys in the fall.
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Speaker 2: We talked about busting around, talk about junior or your
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Speaker 2: junior being able to play.
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Speaker 3: They've been on the field. But if the Jaguars are.
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Speaker 2: Going to make just transition under Ryan Nilson, they have
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Speaker 2: to get young guys they can play manna man. They
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Speaker 2: talked about want to play press man and those things.
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Speaker 2: And with the contract status of Tyon Kambel and some
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Speaker 2: of the other guys in the back end, you have
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Speaker 2: to begin to have contingency plans for twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: Five and twenty twenty six if.
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Speaker 2: You're not able to resign those guys. And so part
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Speaker 2: of it is taking care of the team now but
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Speaker 2: also setting it up for the future.
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Speaker 3: I think based on when you.
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Speaker 5: Look at the depth chart, you have.
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Speaker 3: To go big in the cornerback class this year.
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Speaker 5: And also it's the strength of the draft. Why not
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Speaker 5: kind of fish.
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Speaker 3: In that pool with all the.
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Speaker 2: Talented players because all the town they playing a right
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Speaker 2: at the cornerback position.
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Speaker 3: What do you had?
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Speaker 1: We'll return with the top thirty visits team It's well underway,
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Speaker 1: prospects visiting teams in the coming days and weeks, and
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Speaker 1: more from Bucky Brooks in just a Moment on the
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Speaker 1: Huddle Up Podcast. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast.
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Speaker 1: JP Shabbick, John Oh and Bucky Brooks. The twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: four draft is almost here and the Jaguars are on
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Speaker 1: the clock at seventeen at least still be on the clock.
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Speaker 6: Right my budget, free is for me, Free is for me.
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Speaker 1: So that works. Hey, it is that time of year, bucket.
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Speaker 1: Our pro days pretty much are done, right LSU Usually
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Speaker 1: it was kind of historically is one of the last ones?
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Speaker 1: Is that right?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're pretty much done with that part.
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Speaker 3: We now moved over from.
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Speaker 2: Pro days to private workouse and visits Top thirty visits.
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Speaker 2: We've seen a handful of guys parade in and out.
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Speaker 2: You guys have seen them kind of come through the building.
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Speaker 2: You're now beginning to get to the final stages of
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Speaker 2: the pre JT process. The Top thirty visits are really it.
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Speaker 2: It's the last time to have an opportunity to meet
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Speaker 2: with the guys, to bring him the building and spend
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Speaker 2: time with them, have dinner, really get to know who
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Speaker 2: they are, so you begin to really.
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Speaker 3: Get a feel for how are they going.
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Speaker 2: To be in the building, do they fit the culture
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Speaker 2: of the team that you've established, all those things. So, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're nearing the end of the process, and so Top
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Speaker 2: thirty visits certainly signify that.
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Speaker 4: And Bucky, you've been involved with this, how much you
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Speaker 4: know how much gamesmanship involved is with some of the
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Speaker 4: Top thirty visits? Do teams bring in guys that they're
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Speaker 4: not going to pick necessarily to throw their people off?
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Speaker 6: Is there a lot of that?
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Speaker 4: Or how does the you know, are the Top thirty
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Speaker 4: always guys they're mega interested in if they haven't talked
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Speaker 4: to already, if they want to clean up on how
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Speaker 4: does that sort of break down?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of times you don't have enough
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Speaker 2: to waste time, so you don't want to send up
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Speaker 2: like smoke signals and try and throw people off your scent.
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Speaker 2: A lot of times, the top thirty usinits are reserved
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Speaker 2: for guys that you really want to get to know better,
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Speaker 2: whether it's medical stuff, whether it's just interview, whether it's
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Speaker 2: cleaning up their character and background stuff so you feel
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Speaker 2: more comfortable with them.
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Speaker 5: You typically don't waste your top thirty visits.
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Speaker 2: So all the guys that we see come through are
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Speaker 2: guys that you would anticipate the Jaguars being very very
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Speaker 2: interested in and kind of being players. If you get
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Speaker 2: to the right round value, you get to them and
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Speaker 2: those players available, you can expect to see some of
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Speaker 2: these names that have come through the building. Some of
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Speaker 2: these guys will be Jaguars down the line, you know,
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Speaker 2: and from.
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Speaker 1: A player's perspective, from a prospects perspective, some of the
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Speaker 1: top end guys will probably go to a bunch of these, right,
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Speaker 1: And the balance of time is one thing, But then
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Speaker 1: if you're eating dinner at all these places and being
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Speaker 1: entertained and showing around, it is a it's a busy
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Speaker 1: couple of weeks for some of these high end prospects,
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Speaker 1: I'm sure.
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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it is a busy few weeks.
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Speaker 2: It can be tough on them for sure when it
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Speaker 2: comes to moving around, making all the travel plans, learning
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Speaker 2: different offenses and defensive schemes. Because some guys will bring
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Speaker 2: in the top thirty visit. They'll put you on the
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Speaker 2: board and ask you to learn stuff where.
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Speaker 3: They've given you homework, a little homework.
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Speaker 2: From Combine workouts or the pro day, and they want
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Speaker 2: you to be able to kind of put that information
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Speaker 2: into play on the white board when you come in.
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Speaker 5: So it's a lot of work for them. It's a
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Speaker 5: lot of memorization.
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Speaker 2: And at the same time that they're doing all these visits,
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Speaker 2: they still got to figure out when to work out,
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Speaker 2: because the most important part is once they get drafted,
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Speaker 2: they have to go to a new city in a
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Speaker 2: week or two and they got to start performing in
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Speaker 2: ricky minicamps and OTAs and those things. So you can
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Speaker 2: kind of get a sense of the maturity and the
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Speaker 2: professionalism of all these prospects based on how they handle
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Speaker 2: themselves throughout the visit. Are they really committed to continuing
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Speaker 2: to work on themselves while being on the road trying
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Speaker 2: to make positive impressions for teams and decision makers or
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Speaker 2: are they just kind of enjoying the buffet line and
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Speaker 2: join the parade circuit as they go from city to city,
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Speaker 2: meeting all these different people.
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Speaker 6: I'm I'm sure Fred's told you this story.
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Speaker 3: JP.
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Speaker 4: Uh Fred Taylor at his pro dates. It's a little
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Speaker 4: bit different from about the buffet line. He went to
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Speaker 4: his pro day. Uh, he had gone to a speed camp.
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Speaker 4: Remember tom Shaw's speed camp was a big deal back.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And he had gone to the speed camp
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Speaker 4: and probably in early February prod would have been in
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Speaker 4: March open getting the story right, and Uh, tom Shaw,
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Speaker 4: after like a day, said heck, really, I can't do
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Speaker 4: much for you. You know, you're you're really fast. And
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Speaker 4: he said, I was be honest, You're not going to
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Speaker 4: get faster being here. So Fred, basically this is the nineties,
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Speaker 4: he said. For the next three or four months, I
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Speaker 4: mean three or four weeks, I just I kind of
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Speaker 4: hung out in South Florida, went a couple of yard
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Speaker 4: you know, house parties, and then he went to his
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Speaker 4: pro day, ran four two nine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So maybe some guys are different. Lucky, right, Fred didn't
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Speaker 4: worry about the whiteboard. No, but give me that special enough,
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Speaker 4: But I always love that story.
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Speaker 5: Gause.
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Speaker 6: Heuse. Yeah, they told me I really didn't need speedcam.
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Speaker 1: We can't coach you. Sorry, you were bred he is.
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Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast. Jap you shattered, John
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Speaker 1: Oser and Bucky Brooks. All right, Well up next the
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Speaker 1: off season program. It's right around the corner April fifteenth.
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Speaker 1: Strength and Conditioning begins a couple of weeks there and
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Speaker 1: then is not far after that job. He got a
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Speaker 1: few weeks away from primetime.
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Speaker 6: John Oser, I have an advent calendar for OTAs. I
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Speaker 6: open up twenty three, twenty two, twenty one. Can't wait.
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Speaker 6: It's the best this year.
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Speaker 3: I can't I love it.
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Speaker 2: I love it. John, You know how much I love
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Speaker 2: OTAs and those things that I thought I may come
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Speaker 2: down to kind of help you tabulate some of those
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Speaker 2: completions and missus simus and who's hot who's not? All
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Speaker 2: those things join OTA's. I'm just waiting, uh to get
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Speaker 2: with clearance and to make sure that I can go
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Speaker 2: out on the field and watch that.
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Speaker 6: You'll be allowed. You'll allow, Yeah, they'll let you out there.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 4: It's uh, you know, there is some importance to it
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Speaker 4: this year with something with so many new guys community.
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Speaker 4: You have nine free agents coming, which is a huge
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Speaker 4: turnover for veteran guys. So this year I will say
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Speaker 4: that they're a little more important for players such as that.
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Speaker 1: They also are voluntary.
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Speaker 4: They are very very voluntary for me, but you get
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Speaker 4: they are voluntary for a lot of people.
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Speaker 1: And then, hey, we're three weeks away from the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is snuck up on this, Buck.
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Speaker 1: I know you're in it in the weeds every single
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Speaker 1: day on this stuff, Buck, but here we are three
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Speaker 1: weeks out, and all right, if you're if you're in
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Speaker 1: terms of a leadership of a team, if you're let's
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Speaker 1: see GM Bucky Brooks, Right, what's on your checklist the
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Speaker 1: next three weeks after these top thirty visits are done?
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Speaker 1: What else you have to get accomplished the next three
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Speaker 1: weeks before draft night.
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Speaker 2: So we're adding to the we're in the final month.
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Speaker 5: Of the process. The few things after the thirty visits.
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Speaker 2: We want to make sure that everyone has all the
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Speaker 2: information that we need to have on the player, all
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Speaker 2: the background information checks out, if they've had any character
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Speaker 2: issues in the background. We want to make sure there's
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Speaker 2: security is on all that.
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Speaker 5: We get all the documentation on all of these issues.
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Speaker 2: What we're trying to prevent now draft days surprises, something
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Speaker 2: comes up from the past that it's sprung on us.
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Speaker 5: We don't know, we.
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Speaker 2: Don't have information on us, So now we can't make
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Speaker 2: a good decision on whether we want to take this
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Speaker 2: player or not. So you're getting all the background info.
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Speaker 2: Probably about two weeks to ten days before the draft,
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Speaker 2: the medical team will come in and they'll go through
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Speaker 2: and talk about, Hey, here are the guys who have issues.
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Speaker 5: Here's the risk assessment.
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Speaker 3: On all of these guys.
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Speaker 2: We can put these guys on the board or they
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Speaker 2: can take them off the board based on what the
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Speaker 2: doctors say. And then the final part of it is
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Speaker 2: just scrimmaging out what we call the clusterbuster, the guys
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Speaker 2: that are closely graded. But how do we want to
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Speaker 2: stack the board in order? They're three closely graded corners.
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Speaker 2: What is our preference for one, two, and three? Do
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Speaker 2: we feel good about all of them or do we
20:14
Speaker 2: need to put a little separation between some of these guys.
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Speaker 2: So it's just scrimmaging through the last minute details. How
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Speaker 2: you like the groups getting to order right? So when
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Speaker 2: you get to draft that you just let the board
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Speaker 2: unfold and you just kind of take the players that
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Speaker 2: are right there for you.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Bucky, But I'm going to ask you this.
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Speaker 4: I get that, you know, every GM wants to airy
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Speaker 4: GM I've ever been around, wants to tell you that
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Speaker 4: they just let the board fall and then once you
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Speaker 4: get to round three, you're taking the highest guy on
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Speaker 4: your board. And yet you always look at drafts and
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Speaker 4: you know that they didn't take five offensive linemen, meaning
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Speaker 4: they're taking a little bit positions. And I guess what
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Speaker 4: I'm asking is, uh, how does the strategy take place
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Speaker 4: pre draft where they say, Okay, we're taking the highest
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Speaker 4: graded player, but we have to address corner wide receiver.
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Speaker 4: We have to I assume teams this year, for example,
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Speaker 4: are looking at, hey, there are great cornerbacks in this draft.
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Speaker 4: So and this is way I think Jabbers might be thinking,
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Speaker 4: let's take a great corner because there's really, really, really
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Speaker 4: good receivers going to be available at forty eight when
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Speaker 4: we take it. But I assume there's sort of strategy
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Speaker 4: thought that goes into that all through the draft.
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Speaker 6: Am I right? Or is it just pulling cards off
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Speaker 6: the board?
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Speaker 2: Then you're one understenter correct, and it's really a bigger question.
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Speaker 2: So a couple of things that you have to go
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Speaker 2: into the draft knowing. You've got to know where you're
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Speaker 2: strong and where you weak at. You have to know
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Speaker 2: the positions that you would like to address but you
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Speaker 2: don't want.
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Speaker 5: To reach to address those positions.
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Speaker 2: You then have to take all that information and put
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Speaker 2: it to the side, and then look at the draft
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Speaker 2: as it presents themselves.
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Speaker 5: So there are two boards that will work off of.
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Speaker 2: There's a vertical board where if we put one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty prospects on a board, we're just is ranking
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Speaker 2: them from one to one, fifty, one, two, three all
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Speaker 2: the way down. Then there's the horizontal board where it's
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Speaker 2: broken up by position groups, so your quarterbacks running back
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Speaker 2: to wide receivers, tight ends, office tackles, guards, your edge players, linebackers,
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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 5: And then those guys are ranked in order by grade.
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Speaker 2: And when you go to those situations where now you're drafting,
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Speaker 2: so we have the one hundred and fifty board where
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Speaker 2: it just tells you these are the best in order.
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Speaker 2: You're then looking to see, okay, well we've already addressed
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Speaker 2: offensive tackle. There are two positions of need. We got
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Speaker 2: cornerback and then we have wide receiver. Okay, let's look
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Speaker 2: at what's.
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Speaker 3: Available on how we have them graded.
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Speaker 2: And sometimes you may have the corner graded over the
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Speaker 2: wide receiver. But how big of a difference is it.
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Speaker 2: Are we talking about.
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Speaker 5: A six seventh grade versus the six sixth grade where
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Speaker 5: you just like a.
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Speaker 3: Negligible amount, or.
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Speaker 5: Are we talking about Ay, we have someone rated at.
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Speaker 2: A seven to zero and somebody at a six five,
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Speaker 2: and those instances, you never would go for someone who's
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Speaker 2: a six ' five over a seven zero because that's
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Speaker 2: too big of a disparity. But if they're close six
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Speaker 2: seven sixty six based on need, you can make that move.
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Speaker 2: But they need to be in the right area when
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Speaker 2: it comes to assessing their talent and what their potential
23:16
Speaker 2: will be when they get to the Jacks. So it's
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Speaker 2: a very nuanced discussion that Trimbalk and company are having
23:22
Speaker 2: when it comes to the prospects. The players and feel
23:24
Speaker 2: the needs, but the player's talent needs to be comparable
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Speaker 2: before you take someone that may have a lesser grade
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Speaker 2: than somebody else. You always want to take the better player.
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Speaker 6: It's basically how teams protect them from themselves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah from Yeah, yes, it's a decisions and if you're
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Speaker 2: on it, and if you're on it and you.
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Speaker 3: Have a real draft room where people.
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Speaker 5: Are encouraged to speak up and kind.
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Speaker 2: Of go back and forth, but then you hold people accountable, like, oh,
23:51
Speaker 2: wait a minute, we were out of line. We're talking
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Speaker 2: about taking this guy who's well below some of the
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Speaker 2: other guys on.
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Speaker 5: The board, like this, this doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: This is a this is bad on ori nd because
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Speaker 3: we're deviating.
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Speaker 5: Away from the philosophy.
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Speaker 2: If we're saying we're gonna take the best player, then
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Speaker 2: we need to take the best player, and even if
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Speaker 2: it's at a position to need. So for instance, let's
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Speaker 2: just use this. So everyone has kind of gone at
24:13
Speaker 2: the Jaguars about taking Chad Muma. Right when they took
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Speaker 2: Chad Mooma a couple of years ago after taking Devin Lloyd,
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Speaker 2: they already had forty year Louikount. Why would you take
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Speaker 2: another linebacker in that round. Well, maybe Chad movement was
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Speaker 2: graded significantly higher than anybody else on the board, and
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Speaker 2: so if you don't take him, now you're going against
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Speaker 2: your philosophy. So that's how you get into those situations
24:35
Speaker 2: where maybe your puzzle on the outside wondering why would
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Speaker 2: they take him. They already had that position field, but
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Speaker 2: it doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: That might have been why Chad.
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Speaker 2: Mouma was to pick as opposed to somebody else. He
24:47
Speaker 2: carried significantly higher grades than everybody else. That's why they
24:52
Speaker 2: did it. Now, it doesn't mean that they were right.
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Speaker 2: Maybe they misevaluate him as a player, but that may
24:57
Speaker 2: go to the thinking of why he might have been
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Speaker 2: the pick of.
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Speaker 1: A There you have it. We've got three more weeks
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Speaker 1: to discuss. Of course, we'll have, as we mentioned, the
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Speaker 1: draft party coming up at the stadium on Thursday, the
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Speaker 1: twenty fifth. That should be a fun time. Of course,
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Speaker 1: our coverage throughout the entire weekend on Jaguars dot Com
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Speaker 1: coming up as well. Bucky, Great talking to you again,
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Speaker 1: as always each and every Wednesday here on. Huddle up
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Speaker 1: and hey, let's do it again next week.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, look, man, let's do it next week.
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Speaker 2: And since you brought up your row type road and
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Speaker 2: your allegiance that I've never heard about basketball, I guess
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Speaker 2: I guess in the final four, I now have a
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Speaker 2: rooting interest for someone and hopefully you can go back
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Speaker 2: to back.
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Speaker 1: I saw that one coming a mile away. That's Bucky Brooks,
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Speaker 1: that's John Ozier. I'm JP Shadwick. Thanks to Joe Fortunado
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