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Brian Thomas with Congressman Warren Davidson · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's seven oh six if any five ker CD talk station.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy Friday Eve you extra special day to day.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, since there's nothing going on in the world,
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  Speaker 1: we'll just talk about what's going on in our family
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  Speaker 1: lives with Congressman Warren Davidson. Welcome back, arm Davidson. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate your regular willingness to spend some time with my
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  Speaker 1: listeners with me about these all important issues going on.
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  Speaker 1: It's good to have you back on the show, Sir.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always love it. Nice to talk with you. Brian,
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  Speaker 2: thank you if you don't mind.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we can talk about Save Act, the government shutdown
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  Speaker 1: that's going on, TSA, and all that goes along with it,
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  Speaker 1: but I wanted to start with Iran if we could. Yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: the Senate defeated a measure to advance a war powers resolution,
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  Speaker 1: same thing that happened earlier in the month when the
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  Speaker 1: House defeated a proposal sponsored by Congressman Massy and Rocanna.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you were on the side of Massy
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  Speaker 1: on that one, but this left me with a question
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  Speaker 1: mark floating around I wanted to address with you, and
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  Speaker 1: I kind of started thinking about the Iranian position. They
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  Speaker 1: have to have some measure of understanding about the War
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  Speaker 1: Powers Act SLASH Resolution nineteen seventy three, and the way
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  Speaker 1: I understand it absence specific authorization, authorization and use of
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  Speaker 1: military force which hasn't happened yet, or a declaration of war.
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  Speaker 1: After Trump commits troops in the combat zone and notifies
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  Speaker 1: Congress TikTok, the clock starts running on the sixty days.
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  Speaker 1: So if you don't have a warp authorization for use
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  Speaker 1: of force or a declaration of war, after that sixty
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  Speaker 1: day clock runs, the law obligates the troops be withdrawn,
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  Speaker 1: subject to a thirty day extension to do so. So
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  Speaker 1: is the clock running and what will it mean if
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  Speaker 1: the let's say ninety given the extra thirty days, If
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  Speaker 1: the ninety days runs out and there has been no
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  Speaker 1: congressional action, does Trump literally have to pull all the
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  Speaker 1: troops out regardless of where we are relative to victory
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  Speaker 1: in the situation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So, you know, the keyword here is there's three
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  Speaker 3: ways that the War Powers Resolution kicks in, and neither
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  Speaker 3: of those. The first two apply when there's not been
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  Speaker 3: a declaration of war, and then two there's not been
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  Speaker 3: a specific authorization of force. And then the third clause
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  Speaker 3: is in order to prevent an imminent attack. And that's
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  Speaker 3: why you see things like you know, what is the
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  Speaker 3: word imminent? Right, you know, Tom Cotton saying it's been
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  Speaker 3: imminent for forty seven years, which is nonsensical. But you
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  Speaker 3: saw like Pulsey Gabbert's you know, very carefully crafted statement
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  Speaker 3: that you put out earlier this week ahead of her
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  Speaker 3: Senate testimony, saying, you know, the commander in chief ultimately
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  Speaker 3: has the decision of what he considers imminent. And President
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  Speaker 3: Trump considered you know, Iran attack imminent and therefore he's
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  Speaker 3: in compliance with the war power saying so you know this,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Depends on the word. What is the what does the
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  Speaker 2: word mean? And if the president decides it's imminent.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Now, the president basically, according to the war powers,
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  Speaker 3: can do whatever he wants for sixty days and then
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  Speaker 3: without an authorization, you essentially say, well, look, you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to just hastily leave no matter what. So you've
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  Speaker 3: got like a thirty day window to kind of make
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  Speaker 3: an orderly withdraw because you really have a ninety day
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  Speaker 3: window because you know the sixtieth days coming, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 3: So essentially have essentially have ninety days to kind of
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  Speaker 3: wrap up something. And you know, some of my colleagues
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  Speaker 3: don't accept that either. They say, you know that basically
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  Speaker 3: the president can do whatever he wants and there will
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  Speaker 3: be no constitutional crisis in sixty or ninety days. But
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  Speaker 3: a lot of Republicans said, well, okay, I you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that you know, that would clearly pose a
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  Speaker 3: constitutional crisis if the president continues operations beyond that timeframe
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  Speaker 3: and there isn't a specific authorization. And this came in.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this, this debate isn't unprecedented. I mean, the
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  Speaker 3: whole Korean War was flogged for you know, three years,
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  Speaker 3: and it was called a police action. But of course
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  Speaker 3: we don't refer to it as the Korean police action.
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  Speaker 3: We refer to it as a war because you know
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  Speaker 3: what the word means. Yeah, so that's the other language nuance.
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  Speaker 3: But they're saying, well, it's it's not a war.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: So this all comes down to subjective interpretation. So if
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  Speaker 1: the War Powers Resolution had actually defined eminent as something,
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  Speaker 1: and this really reminds me of what I encountered when
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  Speaker 1: I used to do coverage litigation for pollution cleanups, sudden
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  Speaker 1: and unexpected discharge that that was covered in these insurance policies.
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  Speaker 1: But you had, you know, drips of pollution coming from
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  Speaker 1: you know, a poorly created pipelines and things at manufacturing
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  Speaker 1: facilities that were dripping literally for decades and decades. That
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  Speaker 1: was argued to be sudden and unexpected, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: that's the argument that gets made. You know, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, we're gonna lose coverage if we don't
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  Speaker 1: make the argument. So it was the discovery they discovered it.
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  Speaker 1: So in spite of the fact it's been going on
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  Speaker 1: for decades and decades, it was nonetheless considered sudden and
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  Speaker 1: unexpected eminent. I mean, if there's no definition of eminent,
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  Speaker 1: then your left with the presidential subjectivity. No, that was eminent, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to do whatever the hell I want.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's where we are, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: Congressman Davidson, Yeah, I mean, look, that's that's what President
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  Speaker 3: Trump was reluctant to go to war. I mean, he's
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  Speaker 3: spoken critically about the idea of a war with Iran
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  Speaker 3: for you know, a long time, way before he was president,
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  Speaker 3: all through his first term, and so I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people were very surprised.
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  Speaker 2: I was, and I thought, as.
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  Speaker 3: We're sending carriers over there and and you know, a
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  Speaker 3: substantial portion of the Air Force, I'm like, well, something's
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  Speaker 3: going on. I'm gonna need a briefing. So I went
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  Speaker 3: and talked with folks at the White House. I met
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  Speaker 3: the monday before you know, this military operation began, and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, well, all right, so what's going on. Well, negotiations, right,
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  Speaker 3: nothing to be concerned about. But yes, of course, because
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  Speaker 3: we've never sent like half the Air Force and two
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  Speaker 3: carrier groups and never started shooting.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: I was only surprised by the timing when I woke up,
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  Speaker 3: you know that Saturday morning and said, oh, well, it
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  Speaker 3: looks like things are underway now. And so when we
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  Speaker 3: came back and got more classified briefings, one for the
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  Speaker 3: big group and a separate, smaller one, so that then
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  Speaker 3: it's like, well, I'm surely I'm going to hear you
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  Speaker 3: know what President Trump found persuasive and imminent, and I
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  Speaker 3: haven't seen it. Maybe it's more classified than even a
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  Speaker 3: one on one briefing can be shared. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but I can only vote on what I know I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I can vote on what you share with me. I
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  Speaker 3: can't change my mind, right, and I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: pretend that I don't know what imminent means and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what war means, and my oath is to
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  Speaker 3: the Constitution, and that's a consistent vote I've taken, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on all these war powers resolutions over the time I've
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  Speaker 3: been here.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the constitutional crisis, and I can see
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  Speaker 1: that unfolding and moving away from the legality, the legitimacy,
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  Speaker 1: the constitution of the war that is being waged right now.
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  Speaker 1: Practically speaking, it is. And we've learned a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the past several weeks about the Straight of Horror moves
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  Speaker 1: and its vital importance to the globe. Thankfully, we are
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  Speaker 1: not reliant upon that Straight of Horror moves at least
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  Speaker 1: for anything less than five percent. So we're learning a
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  Speaker 1: really hard lesson globally on this, but more fundamentally, the
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  Speaker 1: idea of leaving Iran in a position to close on
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  Speaker 1: a whim, which it can clearly do the Straight of
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  Speaker 1: Horror moves into the future. That's a global threat that
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  Speaker 1: they will continue to have control over. So logistically speaking,
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  Speaker 1: moving aside again from the legality of or the constitutionality,
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  Speaker 1: leaving that problem unsolved is going to keep the globe
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  Speaker 1: in a perilous position relative to Iran in the strait.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is the thing. You can't put
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  Speaker 3: the toothpaste back in what's been done, right and done.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, there's a I think that at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day, if you wanted to do a
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  Speaker 3: decapitation strike and I killed the leadership of the country
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  Speaker 3: of Iran, Uh, you needed to keep that circle incredibly small.
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  Speaker 2: They did that and it worked.
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  Speaker 3: They kept it super small even within the administration according
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  Speaker 3: to public report, right right, So uh, and it worked right,
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  Speaker 3: But then that wasn't the the only goal. They laid
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  Speaker 3: out lots of other things, to the point where you know,
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  Speaker 3: the president has, as is often his UH model in negotiating,
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  Speaker 3: said just about everything in the world, So.
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  Speaker 2: No one truly knows what his actual position is, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And and and so that leaves a lot of uncertainty
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  Speaker 3: out there. But the reality is, yeah, if you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: leave IRGC the current leadership, power structure and place in Iran,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to continue to pose a threat. And if
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  Speaker 3: they were a threat before there's certainly there shouldly gonna
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  Speaker 3: be a little more salty now. Yeah, So I think
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  Speaker 3: that's I think that's the case. Says, do you go
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  Speaker 3: on with now a full on regime change war? And
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  Speaker 3: what people need to know is this, there will be
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  Speaker 3: no more IRGC kind of commitment.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a year's long.
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  Speaker 3: War that involves troops on the ground, and I honestly
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  Speaker 3: don't think people are mentally prepared for that. And certainly
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  Speaker 3: we're not signing up tons of allies to say, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we want to be part of this fight too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the case hasn't really been made for war
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  Speaker 2: with Iran at that scale.
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  Speaker 1: Well pause on that allies comment, because I'm really puzzled
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  Speaker 1: the people screaming the loudest about this could actually offer
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  Speaker 1: help with keeping the straight of hormones open, and they're
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  Speaker 1: the ones most subject to the strait of hormones being closed,
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  Speaker 1: our NATO allies, and yet they're screaming against this conflict.
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  Speaker 1: So I can bring that back up, and we come
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  Speaker 1: back seven to sixteen more with Congress Moaron Davidson of
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  Speaker 1: this brief break and starting with colored electric fan Warren Davidson,
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  Speaker 1: all Right, for we leave the Iranian contract conflict, I
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  Speaker 1: think I think the it seems to me the world
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  Speaker 1: has probably gotten a wake up call given the straight
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  Speaker 1: of hormones is so critical to their a survival. Energy
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  Speaker 1: going through the Strait of Hormuz just you know, fueling
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  Speaker 1: NATO countries and Australia is another one's been significantly impacted
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  Speaker 1: by it. They had like a thirty day supply and
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  Speaker 1: that's it. The lights go out after that, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: largely done it to themselves in pursuit of this nonsensical
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  Speaker 1: global warming policies. But you know, if Iran ultimately maintains
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  Speaker 1: some measure of control over the country and other current
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  Speaker 1: regime in other words, they have that ability to flip
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  Speaker 1: the switch and mine the Strait of hormuves are otherwise
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  Speaker 1: threaten to cut it down. This is going to happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think between now and let's say it's stopped
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  Speaker 1: today Iran still empowered? Are these countries other countries in
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  Speaker 1: the world going to pursue all the above energy's policy
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  Speaker 1: like we did, which frees us from our connections hard
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  Speaker 1: lesson we learn in nineteen seventy three with the OPEC embargo.
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  Speaker 1: But we're not there anymore, opek and show off the flow.
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  Speaker 1: We're still going to have our own supplies. I know
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  Speaker 1: global supply is the point of the price point, But
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  Speaker 1: do you think this is going to cause a like
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  Speaker 1: tectonic shift in the right direction for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the world. Will we learn a lesson like COVID that, gee,
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  Speaker 1: we rely on Chinese exclusively for our pharmaceuticals. That's a
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  Speaker 1: bad path to beyond le need to change things. Congressman Davidson, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I hope so for their sake.
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  Speaker 3: But I think of the other thing is it exposed
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  Speaker 3: is what President Trump said, you know since his first
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  Speaker 3: term is our European allies are under investing in defense.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, you think about, like why was President
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  Speaker 3: Trump concerned about Greenland? Because Denmark can't defend Greenland. They
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  Speaker 3: don't have a navy that can do anything truly useful
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  Speaker 3: beyond like near shore stuff for themselves basically, And that's
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  Speaker 3: what you're running into with a lot of the Europeans.
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  Speaker 2: They might say, oh, well, you know, this isn't our war.
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  Speaker 3: They also don't have the ability to project power anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have the resources to engage in this way.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, they are clearly posed a threat by
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  Speaker 3: you know, actions in Ukraine, and they were content for
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  Speaker 3: us to keep cutting hundreds of billions of dollars of checks,
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  Speaker 3: and they did too in terms of pledges, and they
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  Speaker 3: certainly brought in a lot of refugees. But they don't
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  Speaker 3: have the military power that would be able to be
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  Speaker 3: projected in a lot of places. And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: the other thing that this exposes.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. And I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: are angry that Donald Troup is ruly our relations with
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  Speaker 1: their friendly NATO countries, but he certainly served to illustrate
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  Speaker 1: the very point you made. We have a mutual defense agreement.
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  Speaker 1: If someone were to attack let's say, the homeland here
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  Speaker 1: in the United States, we would expect the NATO countries
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  Speaker 1: to rise up and share in our defense. If they
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  Speaker 1: don't have a military, what bang for the buck are
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  Speaker 1: we getting by paying for all their military for all
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  Speaker 1: their basically police protection with our military presence in NATO
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  Speaker 1: at one hundreds of billions of dollars annually.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, they maybe rightly say it's a
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  Speaker 3: war of choice. I think it's a war of choice.
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  Speaker 3: We certainly chose the timing and whether ultimately to walk
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  Speaker 3: away from negotiations. I agree from what I had seen
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  Speaker 3: the negotiations were by design going nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: Market.
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  Speaker 3: Rubio has laid that, laid that out everywhere, and I
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  Speaker 3: think the President was right to say, well, we're not
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  Speaker 3: going to give false threats. Something's going to happen. The
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  Speaker 3: question is you know how much into what scale? And
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  Speaker 3: clearly you know whole range of debates on that. But
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  Speaker 3: even if they wanted to, the Europeans couldn't do this.
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  Speaker 3: And so even if you say, well, it's their choice
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  Speaker 3: right now, the rational choices. Look, you guys are more
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  Speaker 3: dependent on the energy coming from there. As you exposed,
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  Speaker 3: the problem for US is going to be and less
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  Speaker 3: acute than the Europeans and less acute than China and
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  Speaker 3: others who replied a lot on Irani and oil. Nevertheless,
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  Speaker 3: because it's a global commodity, the price is going to
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  Speaker 3: keep going up in the meantime, and so.
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  Speaker 2: You know, our folks are feeling it already.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, there's a there's a significant price shock already
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  Speaker 3: in the market, and you know that's likely to endure
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  Speaker 3: because you're losing through the straits twenty million barrels of
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  Speaker 3: oil a day that flow through the straits before moves.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Congressman Davidson, going back on a tear I've been
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  Speaker 1: on of late. Isn't that a good thing? Because I
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  Speaker 1: thought the price of gas was necessarily supposed to increase
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  Speaker 1: and we haven't yet reached levels we felt during COVID.
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  Speaker 1: We have yet reached levels that you know, California has
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  Speaker 1: been feeling every single day and moment in time since
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  Speaker 1: they adopted these crazy global warming policies. So I thought
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  Speaker 1: this was a good idea, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it is funny to see, you know, the left
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  Speaker 3: who love the Green New Deal and want gas prices
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  Speaker 3: to be high so people don't drive, complain that gas
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  Speaker 3: prices you're high and it makes it more expensive to drive.
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  Speaker 3: But look, if it weren't for double standards, they wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have standards. I mean, they know that this is gonna
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  Speaker 3: be unpopular, and so they're sh shifting to that side
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  Speaker 3: of it. And it's the same look you see. This
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  Speaker 3: is the painful thing about some of the things that
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  Speaker 3: you vote on. You see people shifting. Well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: depending on who the president is, I'm going to be
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  Speaker 3: for this or for that, and it's like, well, look,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, if you want a parliament, just create a parliament.
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  Speaker 3: But both parties in essence do that a lot of times.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's fair to say, how dare politicians
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  Speaker 3: inject politics into politics?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Well, for a lot of folks it's purely political and
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  Speaker 3: not so much principle.
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  Speaker 1: Well, at moments in time like this, this is quite
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  Speaker 1: obvious and revealed to the world. If they're paying attention,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you would think that they'd be running around
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  Speaker 1: streaming this is why we need windmills. Congressman Davidson. Huh,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't work, does it.
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  Speaker 2: It won't take long.
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  Speaker 3: They'll want more more solar panels over top of more
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  Speaker 3: ferral farm ground, and it kills me when they do that.
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  Speaker 3: But hopefully we can keep that turned off.
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  Speaker 1: Ford Park Company, Congressman Davidson, and I've enjoyed this conversation
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  Speaker 1: and your willingness to talk to everybody about this. Will
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  Speaker 1: the government ever open again? I know that TSA is
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  Speaker 1: causing huge problems. Three four hour lines and now they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about maybe shutting down some airports. Just one problem
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  Speaker 1: brought about by the government shutdown. But they're still clamoring
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  Speaker 1: over a chain, just the Apartment of Homeland Securities tactics
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  Speaker 1: with regard to ICE. I'm sorry, DHS is fully funded
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  Speaker 1: for ICE agents for the next several years out of
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  Speaker 1: the one big Beautiful Act. So that's not gonna stop.
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  Speaker 1: Is this ever gonna open back up? Or the Democrats
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  Speaker 1: finally gonna capitulate at some point.
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  Speaker 3: Look, I don't know what it's gonna take to get
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  Speaker 3: the Democrats to yes on this, but I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what it's gonna take to get the Senate to stay
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  Speaker 3: in session. These guys are acting like everything's fine, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, look, man, you get people missing two paychecks
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  Speaker 3: now that are part of Homeland Security and they're still
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  Speaker 3: overwhelmingly showing up and doing the job. But not the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yep, gone taking trips all over the world, codels, fundraisers,
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  Speaker 3: dog shows.
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  Speaker 2: You know who knows what you're like.
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  Speaker 3: You guys can't even give us a vote on the
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  Speaker 3: Save America Act, which is our top priority. And you
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  Speaker 3: know you could at least stick around for the weekend
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  Speaker 3: and hold each other in on the floor of the
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  Speaker 3: Senate until you get to on something.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the I think the biggest frustration.
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  Speaker 3: I've got there, and Republicans technically control the Senate, I think,
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  Speaker 3: so I'd like to see some pressure applied.
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  Speaker 1: I know it's a tough road to go down, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily a fan of getting rid of the
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  Speaker 1: sixty vote threshold, because I certainly can see a time
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  Speaker 1: when the Democrats take over and then, well, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: Puerto Rico and Washington, DC are made a state, they
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  Speaker 1: decide to pack the court, and the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: can stop that from going forward is maybe the need
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  Speaker 1: for sixty votes in the Senate. We'll have to dress
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  Speaker 1: that down the road at some point. Congressman Warren Davidson,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you're a good man for coming on the show, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I certainly appreciate it. I know I always hear from
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  Speaker 1: my listeners and they're very pleased to come on the
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  Speaker 1: show and very happy with the work that you're doing
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  Speaker 1: on behalf of the American people. Keep up the great work,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and I'll look forward to having you back on again
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  Speaker 1: real soon.
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  Speaker 2: Sir.
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  Speaker 3: It's an honor to do the work, and it's always
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  Speaker 3: an honor to talk with you. Got bless you and
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  Speaker 3: your listeners, Brian.
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